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#rockbox log for 2008-08-23

00:00:15pixelmait does currently
00:00:39amiconnyes, but probably it wasn't intended that way
00:01:02amiconnThe H1x0 port existed well before the H10 port
00:01:48pixelmahuh? What does this have to do with it?
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00:11:19peturpixelma: I tried the variations of 9276 and I'm going to commit your version of it - is that ok for you?
00:15:04pixelmahmm... and not up my commit count? ;) It's ok for me though, then it doesn't look like I'm just committing it because it's mine... and it's good to know someone else prefers it too :)
00:16:48peturI was just going over the tracker items I'm following to try to close some....
00:17:51BigBambipixelma: Nice choice of track/artist in the screenshot too :)
00:19:02pixelma:)
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00:32:36gevaertsrasher: good question. FS #8562 provides a place to put test patches, but we could just as well close it and open a new bug for the timing issues
00:32:59rasherI was under the impression that that's already happening in another task?
00:33:18gevaertsYou mean FS #8663? That's the sd corruption bug
00:33:53gevaerts"timing issues" == "hub issues"
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00:34:03rasherAh
00:34:25rasherI just noticed that 8562 hasn't had any activity since May, so I thought it was just forgotten
00:35:05desowingevaerts: the bug I experienced is with internal flash
00:35:14peturBagder: here?
00:35:26gevaertsdesowin: internal flash is sd (except for the actual enclosure)
00:35:34desowinah, ok
00:36:18gevaertsFrom the CPU's point of view, the sansas just have two sd card interfaces
00:36:36peturBagder (for the logs): it would be nice to give logbot some functionality to let us kick the buildserver through it.
00:37:56rasherpetur: I think it should be svn based instead
00:38:24gevaertshow?
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00:38:33rasherCommit a certain file, and magic happens
00:38:53pixelmapetur: one file could have been deleted from the cabbiev2 image directory (in SVN) - wpsbackdrop-128x64x1.bmp is not needed at the moment.
00:39:17peturpixelma: oops, forgot that
00:39:57gevaertsrasher: that could be a good idea, as it handles the permissions issue cleanly. Maybe it should be in a different branch though
00:40:22pixelmapetur: it's not that important, would just reduce download size of the source a bit.
00:40:33peturdone already
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00:42:04peturon the current build page it looks like all builds were done, so where is it hanging :/
00:42:54gevaertsAren't there quite a lot more builds than just those on the current build page?
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00:43:35peturah yes
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00:44:52EpicFailhi appreciate it if someone can fix my problem: long story short, everytime i try to install rockbox, whether automatic or manual, my e270 freezes up on me
00:45:38MXIIAHow many ways are there to turn on the iPod nano, what are they?
00:45:42MXIIAI think mine is broken :/
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00:46:44BigBambiEpicFail: Freezes up how?
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00:47:26BigBambiAnd are you sure it isn't either a v2 (rockbox doesn't work on it) or a e270r (different install method)?
00:47:31amiconnrasher: Umm, those automated fixes have some bugs
00:47:46rasheramiconn: oh?
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00:47:51EpicFaili'm sure its a v1 cuz it came with v1 firmware when i first got
00:48:12amiconnE.g. it completely removes the voice string for LANG_REMOVE_MMC, while it should stay for the Ondios
00:48:26EpicFailpretty sure its not R version
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00:49:08rasheramiconn: But there was no voice string for ondio*
00:49:36rasherIt removed a target (*) that shouldn't be there.
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00:50:39amiconnSo it effectively didn't fix it. It replaced one bug with another
00:51:10rasherI never claimed it'd make it perfect, but it brought it more in line with english.lang
00:52:42EpicFailare there any known issues with rockbox installation on msc with vista?
00:53:09BigBambi<BigBambi> EpicFail: Freezes up how?
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00:55:53EpicFailok what i've been repeatedly doing is formatting down to oldest OF firmware on my e270, going into msc mode and plugging in to laptop
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00:56:17BigBambiformatting down to the oldest?
00:56:27notlisteningHey all :)
00:56:31BigBambiDoes the OF still work at this point, before any Rockbox stuff?
00:56:39EpicFaileverything seems fine up to that point but once i try to use either rockbox utility or sansapatcher, my e270 goes from connected to disconnected and freezes up
00:57:02BigBambiDo you have administrator rights?
00:57:20MXIIA<MXIIA> How many ways are there to turn on the iPod nano, what are they?
00:57:20MXIIA<MXIIA> I think mine is broken :/
00:57:27EpicFailyes and i've tried running both programs as administrator and using compatibility mode
00:57:45gevaertsMXIIA: one. Turn it on
00:57:55BigBambiI wasn't aware of any specific vista issues
00:58:02notlisteningI am after wiki editing privaledges for the Sansa v2 wiki & to put a link to the V2 page on the new ports plz?
00:58:09BigBambiWhat is your wiki name?
00:58:11MXIIAIt doesn't turn on, even when plugged in
00:58:22MXIIAI think it is broken, I dropped it on the carpet
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00:58:29MXIIAfrom 2 feet up
00:58:29MXIIA:/
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00:58:53EpicFailwell have there been any issues with msc mode and rockbox installation
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00:59:02EpicFailthat seems to be the source of problem...
00:59:09BigBambinotlistening: We need to know your wiki name
00:59:15notlisteningi think ThomasLloyd but not sure of the password as I can not login :(
00:59:27BigBambiEpicFail: You need msc mode to install Rockbox
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00:59:43BigBambinotlistening: I don't need the password, just the name :)
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00:59:57EpicFailyea i know but it just refuses to work...
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01:00:15notlisteninglol but I do to login :)
01:00:19EpicFailshould i try updating OF to newest version then try to install rockbox
01:00:26BigBambinotlistening: OK, promise not to spam now :)
01:00:51notlisteningpromise
01:00:54BigBambiEpicFail: As long as there is a MSC mode and it isn't the very newest it should be fine
01:01:16BigBambi(or the very newest issue might be for the c, I can't remember)
01:01:18notlisteningjust want to bring the forum information into the wiki
01:01:21BigBambisure
01:01:46BigBambiEpicFail: Can you copy files on and off OK?
01:02:11notlisteningtx will go and recover my password somehow, it is poss to reset it?
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01:02:36BigBambinotlistening: Don't know
01:03:08notlisteningok i'll try otherwise i have a mail address i used before
01:03:42EpicFaili would assume yes since recovery mode works fine when i drag and drop files to format
01:04:55BigBambiNot recovery mode, normal OF USB mode
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01:05:15EpicFailok ill double check that
01:05:17notlisteningjust to confirm has my username been allowed for edit ?
01:05:23BigBambiyes
01:05:56notlisteningthanks again see you all soon I'm sure ;)
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01:12:10lurkapupmorena e hoa, is there a known battery life issue for 4g (or other) ipods? see a couple of people have mentioned battery life issues in the forum, but couldnt find anything solid
01:12:30EpicFailhmm just tried drag and drop a song into music folder in mtp mode; the file is physically on the player but not being registered when i go to play music
01:13:55BigBambiEpicFail: could you try running chkdsk on it?
01:14:07EpicFailok
01:14:12lurkapupin appleOS mode the battery shows about 75%, in rockboxOS it will only run from 100% for a couple of minutes then shuts down cause of low battery
01:14:21lurkapupeven when its connected to the charger
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01:15:04Chrononlurkapup, that's not normal.
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01:17:10Chrononlurkapup: How long does the Apple firmware last?
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01:20:01Moonpupsorry CHronon, dropped off - missed your reply if you made one
01:20:19EpicFailhmm well just tried to connect in msc mode and shows up disconnected on player but laptop is confirming the device...
01:20:25*Moonpup points at himself - aka lurkapup
01:20:43***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:20:53advcomp2019Moonpup, you can look at the logs
01:21:18Moonpupon the pod?
01:21:23EpicFailfyi this has happened b4 on a few occasion, resulting in me formatting
01:21:51gevaertsEpicFail: please use real words
01:21:56BigBambiEpicFail: Unless you have a reliable MSC mode in the OF, you can't install Rockbox
01:22:36advcomp2019Moonpup, #Rockbox is logged so you can see what Chronon said
01:22:45Moonpupahhh, tah :)
01:22:56EpicFailah I forgot to mention my unit is refurbished... so I'm not too surprised by these string of problems I've been getting
01:23:00MXIIA:( I think my iPod/RockBox is broken internally :'(
01:23:20BigBambiEpicFail: Could be, but I have a refurb e260 that has never had an issue
01:23:29Moonpupgood grief, this chanel may be recorded for internal quality purposes ;)
01:24:01EpicFailwell this experience has left a very sour impression on me and I don't even care to go through hassle to have it fixed
01:24:15EpicFailI'll contact froobi and hopefully try and get a refund.. -_-
01:24:52EpicFailthank you for the help bambi
01:25:01BigBambiNo problem, good luck
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01:27:15Moonpupmy apple firmware will run for most of the day - so say 7.30am and still good when I get home about 6pm - don't listen to it solid, but the battery still seems ok - I'm using it now and it's running fine
01:28:30ChrononMoonpup: We don't have any recent battery benchmarks for the 4g, but I would expect that you should get a significant fraction of that runtime in Rockbox.
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01:30:09ChrononMoonpup: You can see the runtime results people have gathered here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
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01:32:10Moonpupthans chronon, I'll take a look .. I guess I know its not umm right, but tis more what do I do about it... might try reinstalling
01:32:53BigBambireinstalling won't affect battery life
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01:35:16Moonpupmmm but there isnt anything wrong with my battery life .. there is something wrong with the way my install of rockbox is working/interacting with my pod...
01:35:42MoonpupI expected a little more drain, had that with podzilla
01:35:48Moonpupbut not 3-4 min ;)
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01:36:43ChrononMoonpup: It's difficult to track something like this down if no one else can replicate this behavior.
01:36:46Casainhomsg NickServ identify chave
01:36:57Casainhooops :-)
01:37:06Moonpup:)
01:37:10Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
01:37:23Moonpupyeah, was hoping it was a common prob :/
01:37:25CasainhoI have a question about one ARM and SDRAM
01:38:21Casainhois that possible to load code to SDRAM and also use SDRAM for data memory?
01:39:08gevaertsWhy wouldn't that be possible?
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01:39:56Casainholike at the begining of SDRAM put the ARM code and at some other free part of the SDRAM, use it for data?
01:40:07CasainhoI am working in RockboxPlayer
01:40:12Casainhoso, I have one makefile which says "-Ttext 0x20000000 -Tdata 0x200000"
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01:40:33gevaertsARM is not Harvard architecture, so you can mix code and data however you like
01:41:44CasainhoTtex have the value of the beginning of SDRAM and Tdata the value of the beginning of internal SRAM, which s just 4kB.... - but I want to use the external SDRAM for data also...
01:42:06gevaertsHave a look into lds files
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01:44:33Casainhomy SDRAM starts at 0x20000000 and ends at 0x23FFFFFF... so I tried to use on Tdata = 0x23000000 but the program don't work.... :-( −−- gevaerts, can't I change the values on make file?
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01:44:57CasainhoI don't understand nothing of lds file....
01:45:03gevaertsThe makefile has nothing to do with this. I guess that this is an ld line?
01:45:16*gevaerts isn't very familiar with these things either
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01:53:00Casainhogevaerts: are you there?
01:53:23gevaertsfor a bit, yes. It's getting late...
01:54:47CasainhoCasainho>my SDRAM starts at 0x20000000 and ends at 0x23FFFFFF... so I tried to use on Tdata = 0x23000000 but the program don't work.... :-( −−- gevaerts, can't I change the values on make file?
01:54:49Casainho<Casainho>I don't understand nothing of lds file....
01:56:11gevaertsAs I said, I'm not too familiar with these things either. I guess you'll need to study the ld documentation
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01:58:25Casainhookok :-) −− reading the documentation about this code, looks like text is placed at beginning of SDRAM, right after are placed the .vectors section, right after the .data and finally the .bss section :-)
01:58:42Casainhookok - tank you :-)
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02:26:22desowinI think I can be sure about this - when I have my printer unplugged there's no corruption when using rockbox usb, when it's connected there's occassional corruption, it's crazy
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02:30:41Casainhohello again :-) −− I would like to know what resources are needed to make the kernel_init() function....
02:31:07CasainhoI want to code the Rockbox bootloader for an ARM9
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02:47:09reacocard is there a way to remap the sim keys? I'm on a laptop so using the numpad keys is really awkward
02:47:16mcuelenaereCasainho: you'll need to set up a some interrupt handling code and link a timer to the tick increase function (+ other stuff)
02:48:48Casainhoso, kernel just needs a timer to provide the tick increment?
02:48:59Casainhoso, kernel just needs a timer to provide the tick increment?i
02:49:08Casainhosorry for bounce
02:49:24mcuelenaereyes and to run tick tasks
02:49:42CasainhoI think on this ARM9, it have a programmable interrupt controller :-)
02:49:43mcuelenaere+ you'll need to handle thread switching (but this is already done for ARM(9) targets)
02:50:24mcuelenaereyou're better off looking to some other target's system_init() and mimicing it
02:50:26CasainhoI am using the same ARM os MRobe500....
02:50:32mcuelenaereand the Creative ZVM
02:50:41mcuelenaerebut that doesn't mean much
02:51:01mcuelenaeremainly it's the SoC who handles the interrupt enabling/disabling/masking/etc
02:51:12Casainhoah, because it's a peripheral of MCU, I understand now
02:51:36Casainhookok - So I thnik
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02:51:49CasainhoI think I will find answers reading the code
02:52:41Casainhoabout reading the firmware, I should first mount the partition, using the actual rockbox FAT32 driver?
02:53:14Casainhowhat is the load_raw_firmware()? what that does?
02:53:34Casainhosearch for some directory on FAT32 partition?
02:54:53mcuelenaereAFAIK yes
02:55:12mcuelenaerebut you'll need to provide ata_read_sectors() & ata_write_sectors() for that too work
02:57:11Casainhoahm ok, I think I understand what ata drivers must do... - I will use SD card with SPI bus, I already have some drivers commented for SPI and there are a lot of projects with 8 bits MCUs that read data from SD card, using SPI :-)
02:57:28Casainhookok - I am done :-)
02:57:32Casainhotahnk you :-)
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03:24:05thrashusdo the sansa mp3's use rockbox firmware and can i just write plugins for it so i can make the player run programs i write
03:25:39Unhelpfulyou can install rockbox as a replacement for vendor firmware on *some* sansa players
03:26:39thrashusok so they don't actually use rockbox, this is a replacement
03:26:54thrashusso how do i get started writing plugins
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03:27:56thrashusis there a rockbox emulator for the pc that i can start playing with
03:29:18thrashusaditionaly are you allowed to sell these players with rockbox on it or the manufacturers not allow you to do that
03:29:48Unhelpfuli'm not a lawyer, but i don't see any reason you couldn't resell a used player w/ rockbox installed
03:31:11Lloreanthrashus: Remember that Rockbox is GPL licensed. If you sell a player with rockbox installed and your own plugin, you have to include the code for the plugin which they can legally give away for free if they want.
03:31:30Unhelpfulthere is that, as well
03:31:50Unhelpfulfor getting set up to develop for rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
03:33:39thrashusis there anyway aroung that license
03:33:55Unhelpfule-series sansas that can run rockbox are likely to *already* be used or refurb, also
03:35:10thrashusdoes rockbox offer any other licenses
03:35:14Unhelpfulyes, don't use rockbox.
03:36:01thrashusi can't find any licensing information on rockbox
03:36:58Lloreanthrashus: Rockbox is GPLv2 licensed. You'll find the license file in the docs folder, I believe
03:37:04LloreanGPLv2 or later, rather
03:37:18LloreanThere is no way around the license if you wish to distribute Rockbox or code based off of Rockbox code.
03:40:40thrashusI know there is way around gpl if you wrap gpl stuff in one program it make that program gpl. but you have another program that uses that other program via IPC for example. so the second program doesn't have any gpl stuff in and is therefore proprietary but i don't think I could that here
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03:43:00Unhelpfuland in a linux environment, that might be pretty easy to do. rockbox is not on full-blown operating system in that sense, it is designed for a specific purpose, and while it can load extension plugins, these don't have the same set of capabilities as a program on another operation sytem might expect to have.
03:43:33thrashusthat is why i think it would be rather hard to do in this case
03:44:00LloreanIt'd basically require you to rewrite a not-insignificant portion of Rockbox.
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03:47:35thrashusdo you know of any other options, does rockbox have any other alternatives
03:48:26LloreanNot really. There's iPodLinux/Sansalinux, but that's really it.
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03:54:37thrashusit says sansalinux is using moded versions of rockbox driversa nad bootloaders
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04:01:04Unhelpfulright, but it has a real userspace, where rockbox has a plugin API. and if you want to know more about sansalinux, here's not the place.
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04:05:50Tatshif my ipod won't turn on now (did a full shutdown a few hours ago), should i get a new battery
04:06:12Tatshi've tried the ipod reset instructions on apple's site
04:06:15Tatshdoesn't work ;/
04:17:11scorche|shTatsh: do you happen to have an AC adapter?
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04:21:51Tatshscorche no
04:21:53Tatshwell yes
04:21:55Tatshbut i can't find it
04:22:00Tatshusing usb right now
04:22:03Tatshi ripped open the thing
04:22:21Tatshstill won't turn on; it's a nano and the battery is soldered so i can't just remove it and put it back
04:25:31scorche|shTatsh: leave it plugged into the USB port for around 36 hours or so
04:25:39scorche|shthis is a common issue with these devices
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04:33:24Tatshwait really?
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04:33:37Tatsh36 hours even though i get no video at all on the screen?
04:33:43LloreanTatsh: Yes.
04:33:45scorche|shyep
04:33:52Tatshokay
04:33:55Tatshi'm putting it back together now
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04:34:04Tatshi'll try that before i send the guy on ebay a message to get an RMA
04:34:39Toshibasukshey ive got a question, i have correctly installed rockbox on my toshiba s30 and i do not no where to put my music files?
04:35:18Tatshanywhere at all
04:35:21Toshibasuksi can put them in the root but everytime it creates like 3 3GB files and then when i restrat my machine it says Panic! mount 0
04:35:26Tatshit's like an external hdd except you can play music on the go
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04:35:35Tatshunlike how toshiba wants it; a music player only
04:35:41Toshibasuksyeh
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04:39:32Unhelpfulhow are you putting them there, that it's creating these 3GB files? i have an S60, and file transfer via USB MSC works fine (for rockbox, that is)
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04:43:38Toshibasukssorry went away and missed everything,
04:44:18Toshibasukswhen i put a music file in the root of my player it copies fine then when i restart my player it says Panic! mount 0
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04:53:54Tatshholy crap
04:53:56Tatshit turns on
04:54:03Tatshbut i think the LCD is disconnected because there's no screen
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05:48:26thrashusso anything plugins i right for rockbox have to be gpl
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05:51:54thrashuswait plugins don't have to be gpl
05:52:09thrashusif i modify rockbox then it does have to be gpl
05:52:27LloreanPlugins are part of Rockbox. The way they work, they have to use part of Rockbox.
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05:53:50thrashuslinux is gpl, does that mean every program written for linux is gpl
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05:54:16Lloreanthrashus: Plugins aren't "programs written for Rockbox"
05:54:38LloreanPlugins are part of Rockbox that get swapped out of a specific part of memory so that they don't all have to be loaded at once.
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06:00:48thrashuswhat kind of code does the plugin use that make it gpl can you give me an example
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06:02:16Lloreanthrashus: To be a plugin you must include the plugin API. Without it, your plugin will not work.
06:02:20LloreanThe plugin API is GPL licensed.
06:02:44scorche|shthrashus: is there a specific reason you wanted a non-GPL plugin?
06:03:54thrashuswell i was going to make an application so i could sell to some companies
06:04:47scorche|shthe GPL does not restrict that
06:05:44thrashusi will have to distribute the source and they can distribute the binaries with out buying it
06:07:00scorche|shof course
06:07:50thrashusI don't think thats a good business model
06:08:43scorche|shthen you would probably be better off forgetting about rockbox and writing your own firmware...
06:09:45thrashuswell i am looking into uCLinux
06:09:58beta2kI don't think the licencing model of Rockbox would allow for a non-gpl plugin...
06:10:16beta2kAs I understand GPL (and I don't really grasp it all)
06:10:41Lloreanbeta2k: The way the plugin model is now, no, you couldn't make a non-GPL plugin.
06:10:44beta2kSince your plugin would be required to include the plugin API to work, your code must also fall under GPL
06:10:53thrashusand ipodLinux SansaLinux which are based on uCLinux and use some rockbox
06:10:58scorche|shthrashus: and that would be off-topic for this channel then
06:11:07beta2kIf the plugin API was LGPL then you would be ok
06:11:21beta2kbut it's not :)
06:13:04thrashusyes
06:13:11beta2kYou can get away with it in Linux since you can write software which doesn't include GPL'd code
06:13:23thrashusyes
06:13:24beta2kAs soon as you include GPL'd code your product becomes GPL
06:14:09beta2kThat's why LGPL was created
06:14:12LloreanAnd we've established Rockbox plugins require the use of GPL code
06:14:28LloreanYou're wandering well into off-topic territory, so I must remind you the channel has guidelines.
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08:16:53Toshibasuksneed to ask a question
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09:11:59toshibasukshello anyone active?
09:12:54Chrononyes
09:13:26toshibasuksdo you no much about putting songs on rockbox?
09:14:05scorche|shtoshibasuks: please do not ask to ask a question or ask if anyone is around...it is much better to simply ask the question right out
09:14:12toshibasuksok sorry
09:14:21scorche|shand there isnt much to know about that subject
09:14:45toshibasuksi cant seem to put songs on my toshiba when rockbox is installed i get a "Panic! mount 0" error after ive dragged the song floders onto the root of the drive
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09:16:49Unhelpfulwhat OS are you using?
09:17:28toshibasuksxp home sp3
09:18:09toshibasuksalso when i create a folder called say music, inside of it it automatically vreates a couple of files with wierd symbols that are around 3GBeach
09:18:24toshibasuksinside the root*
09:18:48Unhelpfuland this was an S30, right?
09:18:53toshibasuksyes
09:19:14toshibasuksive already tryed reinstalling rockbox several times to see if it would change anything but it didint
09:20:32Unhelpfuland you're letting rockbox start up all the way before you plug it in? or are you plugging in USB, then turning on the S30?
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09:21:20toshibasuksyes, i load rockbox up properly and let it load
09:21:29toshibasukswith no songs or anything i can get onto all the plugins apps etc
09:21:47toshibasuksbut as soon as i put a folder or song on it crashes
09:22:31Unhelpfulcrashes *when* you add the folder/file, or after you unplug it?
09:22:57toshibasuksafter i unplug it, but i wait around 5 mins after i transfer it just to make sure it did transfer
09:23:05toshibasukswhile it is connected
09:23:11toshibasuksbut it still crashes and i get the error
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09:23:33toshibasukscould it be my partitioning?
09:23:35scorche|shtoshibasuks: you need to "safely remove" the device...not just wait 5 minutes
09:23:41Unhelpfulerm... are you using "remove safely", or just unplugging it?
09:23:52toshibasuksjust unplugging it
09:24:07graithere's a little icon in the system tray you're supposed to (right-)click on
09:24:14toshibasuksnot there
09:24:18toshibasuksdoesnt show up
09:24:37toshibasuksill try now and use control panel to get into it
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09:24:43toshibasuksbrb in a lil
09:25:07Unhelpfulperhaps windows thinks it's not a removable drive?
09:26:08toshibasuksi dont no, but it shows up in my computer as TFAT(H:)
09:26:24toshibasuks(H: )
09:27:36toshibasuksill sendfirm again and set it all up and ill see what happens with the removable device
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09:28:31Unhelpfuli doubt a reinstall is going to do any good
09:28:50toshibasuksyes but it will reset my removeable media
09:28:57toshibasuksso it will pop up as a new device
09:30:37toshibasuksk its in bootloader mode right now
09:30:40toshibasuksusb mode
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09:34:08toshibasuksi found the problem i think, it comes up as a local disk
09:34:21toshibasuksinstead of a USB mass storage device
09:34:44toshibasuksdoes fdisk work in command prompt?
09:35:20*scorche|sh wonders where else fdisk works
09:36:10toshibasuksmy player shows up as 2 local disks one that is 150mb and one that is 27Gb
09:36:23toshibasukshow do i partition it properly
09:37:02scorche|sh....why are you repartitioning it?
09:37:10Unhelpfuli'm really not sure? it seems to me an OS that determines a disk attached after startup not to be removable is broken by design.
09:37:44toshibasuksbecause i need to re-partion it so it shows up as a USB mass storage device rather than a local disk
09:38:15toshibasuksand fdisk isnt wokring
09:38:23Unhelpfuli don't really think messing with the partition table will fix that
09:38:39toshibasuksi dunno because i never partiotioned it in the first place
09:38:55Unhelpfulno, firmware did that when you did recovery
09:39:41toshibasuksaw ok, the nk.bin file?
09:40:37toshibasukscould i put songs on it while i am in bootloader usb mode?
09:40:43toshibasukswould that make a difference
09:41:01Unhelpfulas far as i know, the recovery process partitions and formats the drive before asking you to send firmware. at least, it's always reset any partition flags that i changed, and reformatted the data partition
09:41:13toshibasuksyeh,
09:41:25Unhelpful... what would make a difference would be properly flushing data to disk and unmounting it before you remove it.
09:41:45toshibasuksand how do you do that, i dont quite understand what you mean by flushing
09:43:32Unhelpfulin windows, that whole process is what "safely remove" does.
09:44:17toshibasuksah ok, but it doesnt show up in the safelty remove list
09:44:24toshibasuksi have that screen up now
09:45:04toshibasuksbecasue it shows as a local disk
09:47:23graimaybe it would appear there if you used the bootloader usb thing?
09:47:25*grai is totally ignorant
09:48:02toshibasuksno, in bootloader it shows as 2 local disks still
09:49:13toshibasuksi jst need to figure out how to change a local disk to a removal mdeia item
09:49:22toshibasuksUSb mass storage
09:49:38Unhelpfuland there's the trouble, 1) this is more a windows issue than a rockbox one, and 2) i really have no idea how to do that
09:51:21Chronontoshibasuks, try going to Device Manager and check the policies for your device.
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09:52:41toshibasuksyes done that, everything is fine, i found how to change a hard disk to a USB mass storage so im going to do that now
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09:58:00mrkikoHi all!
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09:58:48mrkikoAfter updating rockbox to release r18317 I can't get it crashing again the same way. When it crash I can have it rebooting pressing play
09:58:51mrkiko... good
09:58:51mrkikogood!
09:59:02mrkikoI haven't tested FM radio again
09:59:12mrkikobut I don't use it, so even if it crashes there's no problems :)
09:59:36mrkikoI would be curious of knowing what change may be responsible for this. I red the SVN changelog several times
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10:02:27toshibasuksmrkiko do you no how to change a local disk to a USB mass storage?
10:02:53toshibasukscause my player (gigabeat s30) is showing up as a local disk and not a USB mass storage device
10:03:03toshibasuksi have rockbox installed btw
10:03:21mrkikotoshibasuks: what OS are you using?
10:03:28toshibasuksxp home sp3
10:03:39toshibasuksfdisk doesnt work in cmd
10:03:57mrkikotoshibasuks: so I don't have any idea on how to help you - I never used XP
10:04:34toshibasuksdo you anything about partitioning?
10:04:39mrkikoand infact I don't either understand how differently windows consider a local disk and an usb storage one. you may try aniway to ask on some windows related channel...
10:04:51toshibasuksok
10:04:58mrkikotoshibasuks: yes
10:05:27mrkikotoshibasuks: I know how to partition a disk with simple schemes aniway.... but may be partitioning is out of topic here
10:05:34toshibasuksok
10:05:39mrkikotoshibasuks: to, to avoid being kicked, please send me a private message
10:06:05scorche|shand unnecessary,,
10:06:50mrkikoscorche|sh: ???
10:07:20scorche|shi doubt repartitioning will do any good
10:07:34toshibasuksi think it will because, it will change it to a USB mass storage
10:07:40toshibasuksthere is an option in fdisk to do so
10:07:55toshibasuksto change it from a local hard disk to a DOS drive
10:08:05toshibasuksanyways thats a little off topic
10:09:11mrkikotoshibasuks: if you get talking with important people here, may be they don't kick you :)
10:09:21mrkikolol
10:09:26scorche|shit could have bad effects....but i am not that well versed in the gigabeat S
10:09:55Chronontoshibasuks. I don't think "Local Disk" and USB Mass Storage device are mutually exclusive.
10:11:52Unhelpfulscorche: it will repartition, reformat, and beg for firmware if it doesn't like something you do to the disk
10:12:01toshibasuksa Local disk shows up as a system disk, sort of like an external hardrive, so it will allow you to install prgrams on it etc
10:12:31toshibasuksi wont to re-partiion it while keeping the firmware on it
10:12:35toshibasukswant*
10:12:38Unhelpfulthat's a windows distinction, and i don't really know what magic it uses to decide if a disk should be treated as removable
10:13:00toshibasuksice used fdisk before and u can do that, but atm i cant figure out how to make my player just 1 drive
10:13:05ChrononUSB disks are considered removable.
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10:13:10toshibasuksive*
10:13:19Unhelpfultoshibasuks: that you can't do.
10:13:33Unhelpfulit has to be two partitions, one is for firmware, the other for data
10:13:42toshibasukstrue
10:13:57Unhelpfulif you change it from that, the OF boot sequence will "fix" it for you
10:14:10toshibasuksah yeh
10:14:21Unhelpfulsimilarly if you try to format either of the partitions yourself, since they will then not have the right tfat magic
10:14:41toshibasukswill the player stay in bootloader mode if i restrat my computer and boot from disk?
10:15:02toshibasuksi only want to partition the 27GB
10:15:53Unhelpfulerm, no, if you restart your computer, a usb detach will likely register on the player, and it will continue its boot sequence
10:16:36Unhelpfulyou need to figure out why your computer thinks that *this* particular usb device doesn't need to be safely removed, and i doubt that messing with the partition table will fix that
10:17:13toshibasuksyes but if it is acting as a hard disk , then it should act like a removal harddrive, and stay active while the computer is on
10:18:02n1sthis sounds more like a windows config issue than a rockbox or even partitioning issue
10:18:57Unhelpfuli'm agreed, you really need to find somebody who can help you with a windows problem, because this isn't a rockbox problem.
10:19:02toshibasukshmm yeh, still i think windows when i was installing rockbox using sendfirm might have recognised it as a local disk because of its intial size
10:19:16toshibasuksok will do
10:19:28toshibasuksill browse the windows chat or something
10:21:12toshibasukswhat is the direcetory structure like in the root drive in rockbox
10:21:18toshibasukswhen you have songs on it
10:21:41toshibasuksi might create my songs first then instal rockbox onto it after i have transfered my songs
10:24:58toshibasuksthanks for all your help everyone
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10:52:32lee321987Gevaerts
10:53:30lee321987(on USB for Sansa c250) Am I right that with the current SVN all I have to do is enable mass-storage, and I can start testing?
10:54:00lee321987and does High-Speed/Full-Speed matter?
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10:55:56lee321987anyone here using mass storage on a PP?
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10:57:06J-23Hi!
10:57:52J-23I downloaded rockdoom.wad to /.rockbox/doom on my player, but doom plugin still returns "Missing Base WAD!". Do I need to do something else?
10:59:41ChrononJ-23, did you put one of the game wads on yet?
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11:00:12J-23I downloaded Chex Quest wads to .rockbox/doom/addons/
11:00:21ChrononYou still need a base wad
11:00:24J-23rockdoom.wad is from rockbox.org
11:00:49J-23so it should work
11:00:56ChrononYou still need a resource wad such as the shareware doom.wad or the commercial doom2.wad
11:01:18Chrononor you can use freedoom which you can call either doomf.wad or doom2.wad
11:01:31ChrononClick on the Extras link at www.rockbox.org
11:01:56ChrononIf you download the archive there it contains both rockdoom.wad and doomf.wad
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11:06:50J-23oh, I have bad partition table. Fdisk doesn't recognize any partitions, there are two. I can't remove files from Rockbox partition, because rm returns "Read-only filesystem"
11:07:02J-23df says I have 340kb of space on it
11:07:53JdGordonmcuelenaere: hey, whats in a name? :D I have no probs with that patch
11:08:07J-23dmesg says http://pastebin.com/d4156ef6d
11:08:12mcuelenaereJdGordon: see the comment above :)
11:09:11J-23fdisk says http://pastebin.com/d4651e66
11:09:26J-23how can I fix my player's partition table without destroying data on it?
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11:11:11Unhelpfulerm, the read-only-ness of the partition is not determined by the partition table
11:11:54Unhelpfulcan't speak for other OS, but the linux FAT driver will force a mount to read-only if it detects certain inconsistencies in the contents of the filesystem
11:15:41J-23I see SanDisk original firmware partition is bad too
11:17:57JdGordonmcuelenaere: above as in 13 hours ago?
11:18:40mcuelenaereJdGordon: above as in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9308#comment25415
11:19:02JdGordonah yeah
11:19:23J-23how can I fix filesystems on my player?
11:20:39Unhelpfulunmount them, and use fsck or windows chkdsk to repair inconsistencies
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11:21:41J-23for sdc2 fsck.vfat says "Logical sector size is zero."
11:24:05Unhelpfulnow that, i'm not sure about. also, this needs to move to #rockbox-community, since this is getting more generic and less about rockbox itself.
11:24:12J-23for /dev/sdc1 "Invalid disk format in boot sector."
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11:46:37lee321987Gevaerts
11:47:28lee321987anyone here using mass storage on a Sansa?
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11:56:29JdGordonlee321987: its lunch time in europe... some of the devs atually dont spend 24/7 here....
11:57:09lee321987Thanks. Peace.
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12:00:00bughunter2hi mcuelenaere :)
12:00:10mcuelenaerebughunter2: hi
12:00:18bughunter2mcuelenaere: can i privmsg you?
12:00:25mcuelenaerego ahead
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12:15:49mrkikoIf someone here cares/remember: I think we should consider the toshibasuk's problem. May be sendfirm/USB ID change made Windows deduce that reader was no more an usb-storage device but a local disk one?
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12:19:31lee321987i'm using a Sansa c250. I just deleted the .rockbox dir (so I could re-format), and now I can't boot (RB or OF). Recovery mode doesn't work. Did I just brick my player?
12:19:43BigBambimrkiko: How it appears is a function of the USB stack
12:19:55BigBambiHowever, either way you can safely eject it using Windows
12:20:10JdGordonlee321987: hold left while booting and you should get into the of
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12:20:26BigBambiIf you fiddle with the partition table on a gigabeat S, it will repartition itself, reformat itself, and demand a firmware upgrade
12:20:54lee321987black screen. (button light comes on though)
12:21:14BigBambiAll of this is unnecessary - Rockbox USB works just fine on it under Windows, and it is perfectly possible to safely remove it.
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12:21:57BigBambiI have happily used Rockbox USB on the S with both Windows and Linux - nothing needs changing, he just isn't doing it properly
12:22:33lee321987should I be able to boot the OF even though there is no ".rockbox" dir?
12:23:03mrkikolee321987: yes
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12:24:44mrkikoBigBambi: infact
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12:25:29mrkikoBigBambi: I think you're referring to the usb stack in rockbox, not the windows one
12:25:35BigBambier, yes
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12:25:50BigBambiobviously - Rockbox USb uses the Rockbox USB stack...
12:26:14mrkikoBigBambi: so may be the ID change influenced the thing...
12:26:23BigBambiWhat ID change?
12:26:54BigBambiYou can change the RB USB stack to change how Windows detects it - but it doesn't mater, both ways work
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12:26:56mrkikoBigBambi: no... I'm explaining myself wrong :)
12:27:13mrkikoBigBambi: ah ok, understood
12:27:32mrkikoBigBambi: and why would you need to change it to let Windows detect it differently?
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12:28:42mrkikoBigBambi: ok, I found even some messages clarifying all :)
12:28:46BigBambiIt depends whether it comes up as removable drive or not, which changes e.g. whether Windows sticks a recycling bin on it and other stuff. There are pros and cons for both that I can't remember right now. However, you can safely remove both so from that point of view it doesn't matter
12:29:27BigBambiI think delayed writing is one thing that changes, so depending on which way round it is, that makes using safely remove even more important
12:29:50mrkikoBigBambi: ok ok. I haven't red your message telling this 'cause I've not seen my nick on front and so I was thinking it may be a message for someone else...
12:30:08BigBambisorry, I should have directed it
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12:30:28mrkikoBigBambi: Oh.. may be I was too "mechanical" in "parsing" IRC :)
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12:37:07mrkikoI would propose another FS driver for rockbox to optionally use instead of FAT. I don't do that cause I know how hard is to code a filesystem :)
12:44:02stu8ballI don't have a Windows computer, and I don't plug my iriver into other people's computers really, so when I first got into Rockbox the other year I asked Google, "ext2 or ext3 site:rockbox.org",
12:44:18stu8balland it says on the wiki that they really really seriously don't want to be having other filesystems on it.
12:44:26stu8ballFor some reason that never is explained. :P
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12:44:55funmanlast time i checked it was detailed
12:45:09domonokystu8ball: using another FS in rockbox is hardwork, pollutes the code for nearly no gain...
12:45:09stu8balloh. I'll look it again now so.
12:47:06funmanfat32 is mandatory anyway since it's the only read/write fs across macosx windows and linux
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12:49:36amiconnThere's another reason why fat32 is mandatory on many targets: OF bootloaders which we don't/can't replace need to be able to access the disk
12:50:29mrkikoamiconn: oh ... right
12:50:54mrkikoand to solve these problems, ugly partitioning schemes may be adopted...
12:52:18BigBambiAlso, fat32 is supported by all OSs
12:52:41BigBambiTry getting Windows to read/write ext2/ext3 - possible, but unstable and not easy for casual users
12:52:45mrkikoaniway if some errors occurs in vfat, the chance of having corrupted but consistent data remaining here and there is very high.
12:52:46funmanI can't find the page anymore :/
12:53:04amiconnSupporting another filesystem is a nodo for rockbox, with the only sensible exception being hfs support on ipod (for supporting macpods without reformatting)
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12:53:10mrkikobut this feels like an allready-done-too-much-time debate: stopping ... :)
12:53:27BigBambiIt has been gone over many times, and there are many very good reasons
12:53:34BigBambistu8ball: satisfied now?
12:53:34funmanBigBambi: I think there is ext2/3 drivers available
12:53:56BigBambifunman: I know - that's why I said " possible, but unstable and not easy for casual users"
12:54:03amiconnThe chance for corrupted data with disk structures intact exists regardless of the filesystem in use
12:54:14stu8ballBigBambi: um. I wasn't complaining about lack of filesystems really... I was making a reply to something that was said earlier.
12:54:48BigBambistu8ball: Sorry, I read you saying it wasn't explained why as you wanting an explanation
12:55:29BigBambi<stu8ball> and it says on the wiki that they really really seriously don't want to be having other filesystems on it. <stu8ball> For some reason that never is explained. :P
12:55:40BigBambiimplies to me you think there isn't a reason and there should be
12:56:17funmanit's an implicit implication ;)
12:57:30pixelmaI just read "it should be explained" into that...
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12:57:47stu8ballI suppose that this here is what happens in a channel full of people just waiting to pounce on anything that looks as if it could use an explaination.
12:57:56stu8ballAll open source software channels, basically. :P
12:58:05stu8ballAnyway, bbl.
12:59:31*BigBambi shakes his head
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13:03:10funmanthere is 2 different AS3525 packaging, but on the Sansav2 we can't see the chip directly
13:03:17funmanit's put in a box with a Sandisk logo on it
13:05:19funmanI suppose the chip on the Clip is the "no recovery mode, you're screwed" one
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13:07:12mrkikostu8ball: yes, on all open-source channels things tend to be so. Aniway, the solution I adopted is: simply don't try to fix misunderstandings when they happen. Things will go better the next time...
13:07:56funmanhttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sansa-clip-disassembled/sandisk-sansa-clip-disassembled-13.jpg < just left to the lcd hole, what's the black pasta all around the chip ?
13:08:06mrkikostu8ball: (especially valid if you know the other nick had admin powers :) )
13:12:47Bagderfunman: hard to tell with such a lores picture
13:13:17Bagderanythingbutipod does lots of good disassemblies, but they never do good hires pics... :-/
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13:48:51bughunter2hello, i have made a patch to the beecrypt library of Zenutils to make it support the MINGW32 platform, is there any chance I or someone else could get it committed to SVN?
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13:55:13Bagderbughunter2: submit it to flyspray
13:55:24bughunter2will do
13:55:45Bagdersounds like something mcuelenaere will be interested in
13:55:54bughunter2yep
13:56:08bughunter2i talked with him about it, and he said i should ask here / submit to flyspray
13:56:12bughunter2but he had to go :)
13:56:16bughunter2otherwise he could commit it
13:56:43Bagderok, I'm really not very familiar with that area so I'd rather let him commit it
13:57:11bughunter2should i wait for him to come back or submit to flyspray?
13:57:25Bagdersubmit it and he can take care of it whenever it reappears
13:57:30bughunter2k :)
13:57:33Bagders/it/he
13:57:39bughunter2;)
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14:00:10bughunter2Bagder: to which category does my patch belong? i'm not sure since i see no "Zenutils" in the category list
14:01:08n1sBuild environment would fit
14:01:20Bagderor "utils" which I just added ;-)
14:01:28bughunter2:)
14:01:46bughunter2thank you
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14:49:17lee321987i'm looking at the rockbox Buyers Guide −− am I right that all of the functional ports are out of production?
14:53:37gevaertsAll supported ports are out of production, yes
14:54:47BigBambigevaerts: me neither really
14:55:16BigBambisomehow repartitioning was going to change how rb usb interacted with windows!
14:55:39gevaertsI'd let him repartition. The OF will fix that anyway
14:55:43BigBambiall he needed to do was properly safely remove anyway, as far as I could tell
14:55:49BigBambigevaerts: indeed so
14:56:34*gevaerts also didn't understand what's wrong with not claiming to be a SCSI removable drive if you aren't
14:58:32lee321987well, I think I just bricked my c250 −−- anyone know of a less-than-$100 unsupported player thats in production and Rockbox works on?
14:58:50gevaertsAre you sure you bricked it? c250s are pretty resilient
14:59:40gevaertsAnd once rockbox works well on a player, it _is_ supported
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15:00:29lee321987well, I re-formatted with the HP USB tool, and unplugged it before I put ".rockbox" folder back on, and now neiter Recovery/Manufacture/OF boot works
15:01:22lee321987just a black screen with the button light lit, and Windows makes the "Device Failed To Connect" sound.
15:01:39gevaertsThat looks like manufacturer mode
15:01:44lee321987yeah
15:02:06lee321987i tried an Ubuntu Live CD - still not recognized.
15:02:22gevaertsWhat do you call "not recognized" ?
15:02:52lee321987did not see the "16 MB" drive
15:03:12gevaertsThat's pretty normal. the 16MB drive is recovery mode, not manufacturer mode.
15:03:25*gevaerts recommends reading the recovery documents on the wiki
15:04:01lee321987i'll look again...
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15:08:45lee321987I've tried all the boot methods there, but none of them work (i.e. no new drives are recognized after connection to my computer)
15:09:02BigBambiI didn't think you were meant to see a drive in manufacturing mode
15:09:11gevaertsThere _are_ no drives in manufacturing mode...
15:09:25lee321987ohhhhh
15:09:30lee321987cool
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15:11:06BigBambigevaerts: is the c200 the same as the e200 do you know? i.e. does this page hold? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick#Manufacturing_Mode
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15:12:56gevaertsBigBambi: the file is called pribootLoader.rom instead of BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom, and sansa.fmt doesn't do anything as far as I know, but for the rest it's the same
15:13:21BigBambiOK, I'll look at doing a c200 version
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15:14:44BigBambigevaerts: Does it also use e200tool or is there a c200 version?
15:14:52gevaertsStill e200tool
15:15:24BigBambicool
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15:15:56BigBambiI'm not sure what would be less confusing - a new page with lots of duplicated information, or adding c200 info to the e200 page
15:18:46gevaertsGood question...
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15:21:15BigBambiI'm trying to adapt the e200 one - could you take a look when I've finished for an opinion?
15:21:33gevaertsSure
15:22:09lee321987can I have a look too?
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15:27:19BigBambigevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
15:27:34BigBambilee321987: of course, but wait until gevaerts has OK'd it :)
15:27:54lee321987ok
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15:29:51gevaertsLooks good to me
15:30:48BigBambiCool, cheers
15:31:28BigBambilee321987: OK, that page should help you out now. Make sure to only do exactly what it says, and if you don't understand or there is a problem at any step, ask here before doing anything else
15:33:14lee321987BigBambi: ok, thank you. Can I use Cygwin (so I can stay on-line) or my Ubuntu Live CD?
15:33:24BigBambiUbuntu Live CD
15:33:37BigBambie200 tool doesn't work in windows
15:33:43lee321987ok
15:33:49BigBambiCan you not get online with the live CD though?
15:34:06lee321987no (win modem)
15:34:44lee321987but I'm good with both directions and computers (plus I understand that this is all on me) :)
15:34:46BigBambibad luck
15:34:54gevaertsIf it still doesn't work after these steps, shout.
15:34:59BigBambiOK, cool. Well good luck, let us know how it goes :)
15:35:25gevaertsSometimes you really need to restore the partition table and filesystem, and the fact that the sansa.fmt trick doesn't work on c200 makes that hard
15:35:49BigBambibut not to worry, gevaerts has a special tool! (and the expertise :))
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15:36:02gevaertsSo in that case you'll need a special tool. We'll get to that when it's needed though
15:38:37lee321987awesome. What does "('touch sansa.fmt')" mean?
15:38:58lee321987oops never mind
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15:41:11jhMikeSSince it was requested that the Gigabeat S charging code be submitted, here it be: FS #9312
15:41:22BigBambijhMikeS: greetings :)
15:41:29BigBambilong time no see!
15:41:58*gevaerts can't remember the correct starting address for his tool :(
15:42:06jhMikeSBigBambi: hello. :) sht happens...
15:42:11BigBambiindeed so :)
15:42:35BigBambiIs that patch useable at present?
15:43:23jhMikeSBigBambi: should be quite useable. nothing for the bootloader but what the hey for now.
15:43:28BigBambiIndeed
15:43:49BigBambiThanks for that though, I'll try it out :)
15:43:54jhMikeSI had one of those moments of spontaneous formatting the S was renound for
15:44:10BigBambi:/ Luckily I've still never experienced that
15:44:15jhMikeS*Panic*: Mount 0 after USB unplug :\
15:44:54BigBambiOwing to the nice big disk I have in it as well, I really hope never to see it - copying everything over takes *ages*
15:45:56jhMikeSyeah, but one off bit in the FAT and it decides to blow it clean. very annoying.
15:46:13BigBambiyeah :/
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15:46:28gevaertsAt least we don't need to explain how to use chkdsk that often
15:46:34BigBambilol
15:46:53jhMikeSheh...yeah
15:47:17*gevaerts considers trying to restore his c250 as a c240, just to see what happens
15:47:34jhMikeSI also got that "Not Found" problem after it did the deed but using a tar extract instead of a zip fixed that
15:47:49BigBambithat's odd
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15:54:29BigBambiunzip -o rockbox.zip -d /media/S60
15:54:32BigBambier, oops
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15:56:28BigBambijhMikeS: Well, the debug menu claims it is charging :)
15:56:43BigBambiDo you have any use for any values from there?
15:58:39jhMikeSBigBambi: make sure it stops at the right place
15:58:50BigBambiWhich is?
15:58:51jhMikeSApproximately 4.2V
15:59:09*gevaerts assumes that "the right place" is "before it catches fire"
15:59:10jhMikeSit should hang around there for a bit and stop when the current goes below 70mA
15:59:22BigBambiOK, will do. It is at 3.9V now, at constant current of ~390 mA
15:59:34jhMikeSsound about right
15:59:49BigBambiexcelent :)
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16:00:04jhMikeSbattery protection should kick in above 4.3V :)
16:00:17BigBambiI'll keep an eye on it :)
16:00:37BigBambiBattery temp is slowly rising too - started off at 27 degC and has just hit 30 degC
16:00:50jhMikeSthe hardware on the battery is the final say in that
16:01:27BigBambiI'm sure it is fine, thanks very much for this, it is much appreciated
16:01:33jhMikeSBigBambi: it will warm up but that's just from being on, charging actually only brings it up 1-2 deg C
16:01:49BigBambiah, right
16:02:39BigBambiI'm strangely interested in watching a voltage slowly creep up
16:03:43jhMikeSit's never gonna be a speed charger either, the hardware design limits it so it can't even exceed what's safe for the battery since higher-value sense resistor that what the chip datasheet specifies
16:05:31jhMikeSBigBambi: it takes a long time with retailos doesn't it?\
16:05:57BigBambiIt always seems to, but seeing as you never have any real idea of how full the battery is, it is hard to tell
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16:20:01Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
16:21:03CasainhoI want to start a new port - I have my all hardware and software tools - I would like to start having the Rockbox kernel working, and use it to flash a LED
16:21:50CasainhoI would like to know the best way to work, since I don't have write access to SVN Rockbox, how should I work on my computer?
16:22:01Nico_PjhMikeS: yay for the charging patch! I'll test it :)
16:22:44CasainhoI would like to after be able to commit all to SVN Rockbox... anyone can suggest me how should I do? plan my work?
16:23:54BigBambiNico_P: It is working well here :)
16:24:07jhMikeSNico_P: Have at it...put on the hot mittens. :D
16:24:38jhMikeSBigBambi: What's it reading now?
16:25:00BigBambi3.999V, 385 mA, 37 degC
16:25:10BigBambiconstant voltage
16:25:26domonokyCasainho: use svn, to check out the source, work locally on your PC, and then post patches (svn diff) to the tracker... if the quaility of your patches are good, you may get commit access sometime...
16:25:41jhMikeSIt's CC/CV switching isn't really all that precise or useful unfortunately
16:26:01BigBambiWhen is it supposed to do what?
16:26:25jhMikeSBigBambi: say again?
16:26:53BigBambiWhen is it supposed to to CC/CV?
16:27:29Casainhodomonoky: I think I will take some time to have something "visible", lets say 2 months - I start working now with actual RB version, that diffs will work for futures versions?
16:27:53jhMikeSBigBambi: By the docs, when it get's withing 2% of 4.2V but Toshiba did something weird with the design that makes it unruly
16:27:57CasainhoI am afraid that I will
16:28:14BigBambijhMikeS: Ah, so that part is hardware?
16:28:16domonokyCasainho: you can just use "svn update" to merge changes in rockbox svn, to your local tree..
16:28:47jhMikeSBigBambi: yes, basically the software monitors and turns the charger on or off but regulation is hardware
16:28:52BigBambigotcha
16:29:33Casainhodomonoky: but, will not happen some big not phased versions, when I will try to commit the patchs???
16:30:31domonokyCasainho: not if you first update your local tree with "svn up" before using "svn diff"...
16:30:32XavierGrah welcome back jhMikeS, thanks for the charging patch :)
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16:31:11XavierGrbtw for the logs, trying to fit an 1200mah ipod 4g battery on a Gigabeat S is not possible
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16:31:41XavierGrluckily I ordered an 1000mAh battery too that fits quite nicely
16:31:46Casainhodomonoky: hmmm... so, in what frequency should I update my tree?
16:32:03XavierGrthe strange thing is that after I replaced the battery the Gigabeat S original firmware formatted my player :(
16:32:19domonokyCasainho: as you like, but always before you make a patch for the tracker..
16:32:37XavierGrdoes anyone know if it is possible to compile rbutil in cygwin?
16:32:55XavierGrah wiki says so, I must try
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16:34:08*amiconn should try compiling gbdfed in cygwin
16:34:18Casainhodomonoky: one last question: lets say I checkout the RB SVN, make some code on it, after 1 month, should I checkout again the RB SVN? will I lose my code If someone changed the files on RB SVN?
16:34:21lee321987I just tried the e200tool with an Ubuntu Live CD... (i know little of Linux) I navigated to the folder with e200tool in it and typed "e200tool recover pribootLoader.rom", and received this error: "bash: e200tool: command not found". Guess I'm missing something simple...?
16:34:35BigBambi./e200tool
16:34:44BigBambiI'll edit the wiki page
16:34:47lee321987ha ha ha
16:34:54BigBambiyou might also have to make it executable
16:34:56lee321987cool
16:35:08lee321987how?
16:35:10domonokyCasainho: you should not "checkout" again, but use "update", which will merge your changes... please read up on svn documentation..
16:35:27BigBambichmod +x e200tool
16:36:02lee321987it's ok to try it as-is first though, right?
16:36:12BigBambiyep
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16:36:30lee321987thank you.
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16:37:04Casainhodomonoky: ah, okok :-) −− I must read more about SVN :-) −− thank you :-)
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16:37:47Casainhodomonoky: I remember to see pictures of you form last DevCon :-) eheh :-)
16:39:11jhMikeSXavierGr: you welcome. btw, unless the batts are rated for the same full-charge voltage the really shouldn't be swapped. that should be verified. if the chemistry only permits 4.1V it shouldn't be used with the S.
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16:39:44jhMikeSI'm not really saying what the iPod battery is since I've no idea really
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16:41:39XavierGrjhMikeS: the 1000mah is specifically made for the S, the iPod battery fits a Gigabeat F
16:42:16XavierGrjhMikeS: but I thought that all these kind of batteries are rated at 3.7 and have upper voltage at 4.2
16:43:25jhMikeSXavierGr: not all are 4.2. it's not really dangerous but shortens the life.
16:45:08XavierGrI must try a battery_bench with the new 1000mah battery at one point and see the difference
16:45:37XavierGrtoo bad the 1200mAh can't fit, it is impossible though, the Gigabest is very tighly constructed
16:46:58jhMikeSyou should set the battery capacity properly since it's used for determining the stop point and would help the life of it
16:47:25XavierGrindeed
16:48:15jhMikeSBigBambi: latest readings?
16:48:44BigBambi4.075V, ~385mA, 37 degC, CV
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16:51:37XavierGrGigabeat S has sensors for amperage and temperature?
16:52:15BigBambiXavierGr: have a shufti in the debug menu under the battery entry (press down to get to it)
16:52:49XavierGrcool didn't know that
16:58:06jhMikeSBigBambi: It _might_ have the timer expire...it probably needs that CV timeout extended. if it stops with error, try a replug.
16:59:02BigBambiOK, it is currently 4.109V, 344 mA, 34 degC, CV
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17:03:47jhMikeSI threw a different patch up with a 180 minute timeout instead of 120. I forgot to make that update before posting. The early CV kick-in caused it to timeout on me a couple times way back.
17:04:20BigBambiOK, I'll swap out for that
17:05:26BigBambiAfter this has finished :)
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17:27:05jhMikeSBigBambi: report?
17:27:32BigBambi4.160V, 190 mA, 32 degC, CV
17:29:10lee321987I ran the e200tool: When it's done the Sansa logo flashes on the player and it goes through all the "unlocked" - "locked" stuff, then the recovery partition shows up in Ubuntu (named "16MB-Format"). I copied the MI4 and ROM files to it. I disconnect the player. It goes through the "reading" - "writing" stuff. Then it boots into Manufacturing mode again, and the normal way of getting to...
17:29:12lee321987...Recovery mode does not work.
17:29:46lee321987(and neither does normal boot)
17:29:50BigBambilee321987: gevaerts is probably the one to ask, but he has popped out for a bit. Hopefully he'll see this when he returns
17:30:48lee321987thanks. What about the i2c ROM stuff −− would you try that?
17:31:39BigBambinot without speaking to him
17:31:55BigBambiThat could really mess it up if not very very careful
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17:32:32lee321987alright.
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17:32:54lee321987gevaerts:
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17:34:27*amiconn got gbdfed to compile and run on cygwin :) There are a few minor quirks, but it's usable
17:35:48mrkikogbdfed?
17:35:53mrkikoWhat does it do briefly?=
17:36:28amiconnIt's a .bdf font editor, i.e. the source format for rockbox fonts
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17:36:54mrkikoamiconn: ah, ok
17:37:04gevaertslee321987: download gevaerts/c250erase">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250erase , then make it executable (chmod +x c250erase), put the device in manufacturer mode and run it (./c250erase)
17:37:11mrkikoamiconn: so nothing relevant for me :) ahaha
17:37:23gevaertsIgnore all mentions of e200r, that's because I didn't bother replacing those strings
17:37:48gevaertsIf it runs successfully, you'll see a bunch of numbers on the screen.
17:38:20gevaertsAfter a while (can be 10 minutes, or 45, or maybe less. It depends...), it shows some other texts and tells you to turn off the player
17:38:47gevaertsAfter this, run the "normal" e200tool-based recovery again. It should then work
17:39:48lee321987man you guys are cool. I'll give it a go...
17:40:08gevaertsOnce it runs again, it's probably best to choose "format" in the OF menu, just to make sure it's really clean
17:41:23lee321987will do.
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17:44:02holscherhow come my ipod wont turn on?
17:44:23BigBambiYou're going to have to give *slightly* more information than that
17:44:29holscher:)
17:44:44gevaertsOne possible reason could be that it is already on
17:44:54LambdaCalculus37Maybe you should politely ask it to turn on. :)
17:44:54BigBambiIt got run over by a lorry?
17:45:03LambdaCalculus37It's hungry?
17:45:19holscheri had it connected to my computer, turned it of and now it won't turn on again
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17:45:22holscher:D
17:45:34LambdaCalculus37Feed it some power from the wall charger?
17:45:45BigBambiLeave it plugged into the wall for a number of hours
17:45:53holscherit was nearly fully charged
17:45:59BigBambiThere is a bug in the Apple bootloader that does this
17:46:01jhMikeSdirectly into the wall? :p
17:46:02LambdaCalculus37Try charging it again.
17:46:08holscheri have no "wall charger"
17:46:09LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS: Hey, welcome back! :D
17:46:20BigBambiYou don't normally see it with the Apple firmware, as it never turns completely off
17:46:21jhMikeSLambdaCalculus37: hello
17:46:38jhMikeSBigBambi: report?
17:46:46BigBambijhMikeS: 4.183V, 118 mA, 31 dedC, CV
17:46:51lee321987gevaerts: after I'm told to turn off the player should I turn it off first or go directly into e200tool-based recovery?
17:46:56BigBambiI was typing it as you said that :)
17:47:04gevaertslee321987: turn it off first
17:47:11lee321987got it.
17:47:15jhMikeSBigBambi: I remote viewed it...it's ok :)
17:47:21BigBambihehe :)
17:47:32BigBambiYou found the back door in linux :)
17:48:05BigBambiOr did that patch enable hitherto hidden wifi and remote access on the S, and not just charging as you claimed? :)
17:48:06n1shey jhMikeS wb, and great work on the beast charging :)
17:48:26LambdaCalculus37:)
17:48:28jhMikeSn1s: thanks...dare to try yourself? keep an extinguisher handy :)
17:48:29gevaertsholscher: just usb charging from a pc should also work. Just leave it for really long
17:48:44BigBambiI can report that I'm not yet on fire :)
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17:49:33holschergevaerts, ok... how can i avoid this in the future?
17:49:38BigBambiI'm glad there is someone paying attention :)
17:50:01BigBambiholscher: It is a bug in the Apple firmware, we don't know what triggers it
17:50:01gevaertsholscher: from what I understand you can't. It just happens now and then
17:50:11mrkikoOk, disappearing now. May be I'll come back at 2:28 AM. Bye all!
17:50:40holscherok
17:50:52jhMikeSI don't know about other iPods, but an undercharged Video can be a real chore to make coherent again.
17:52:27*jhMikeS sees it's almost been 3hrs charging
17:52:36n1sjhMikeS: I will try it out tomorrow when i know i have the time to watch it go through a full chagre and also can check the logs to see if BigBambi caught fire after all :)
17:53:07BigBambijhMikeS: Almost 2hrs for me
17:53:24jhMikeSn1s: hehe...instant vaporized...hell never be able to report it :)
17:53:58LambdaCalculus37Burninated! :P
17:54:08BigBambiI'm not a peasant
17:54:56jhMikeSBigBambi: oops, right. I see 9:56 as the first mention, it's now 11:54
17:56:23BigBambiyep (+6 hrs!)
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18:03:31BigBambiWill I get a splash or something?
18:03:47jhMikeSBigBambi: No, it'll just say "Error" in the battery screen
18:04:02BigBambiRight now, 4.196V, 80mA 33 degC and CV
18:04:48jhMikeSshouldn't be much longer to get to 70mA
18:04:59BigBambiIs that the cutoff?
18:05:18jhMikeSyep, 10% of the capacity
18:05:38BigBambiSo the max charge current is 700 mA?
18:06:01jhMikeS700mAh = battery Capacity, so 10% of that
18:06:13BigBambiah, right
18:06:20*BigBambi slaps forehead
18:06:53BigBambi74 mA and 4.199 V now
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18:08:20jhMikeSIt _could_ be pushed a little more since it relaxes by about 40mV but a little under is better for the battery life
18:09:28saratogajhMikeS: what does the SHAREDBSS attribute actually do? force uncached DRAM?
18:09:37BigBambiJust hit 4.201V and 70mA, and now it says 4.172V, 0mA, and status discharging
18:09:56jhMikeSBigBambi: sounds like it went ok
18:10:03BigBambiI think so :)
18:10:22jhMikeSsaratoga: uncached memory that's just like normal BSS...good for dual-core objects
18:10:29LloreanjhMikeS: you mentioned USB charging works. Have you tried it while holding the button that prevents a USB mount, so the disk isn't always spinning?
18:10:36BigBambiSo if I leave it on and plugged in, does it do some sort of trickle charge, or does it discharge to a certain level then charge again, or....
18:10:55saratogajhMikeS: thanks. also what does declaring a shared struct IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR actually do?
18:11:07jhMikeSLlorean: nope, not yet. I wonder if I enabled the key.
18:11:18saratogaIDATA should be uncached right?
18:11:24jhMikeSsaratoga: IDATA_ATTR= initialized IRAM data, CACHEALIGN_ATTR=align data start to cache line boundary
18:11:30LloreanjhMikeS: I'm not sure that the key wasn't already enabled, actually. Since it's more USB related than charging related.
18:12:02saratogawhy would you want to align uncached data to cache line boundaries?
18:12:05jhMikeSLlorean: I recall disabling that to get the port to compile in the pas
18:12:08LloreanAaaah
18:12:11BigBambiHolding menu whilst inserting USB doesn't mount
18:12:16BigBambiI've just tried it
18:12:44BigBambiremoving AC then plugging USB like that has also set it off charging again
18:12:48jhMikeSsaratoga: you wouldn't...it's for keeping cached data used by one core out of the cache lines of another core
18:13:57saratogabut why would that be helpful for data in IRAM? shouldn't that never end up in a cacheline regardless?
18:14:47jhMikeSsaratoga: where did it come up that it was used for IRAM data?
18:14:53saratogai'm referinng to this in the SPC codec: static struct Spc_Emu spc_emu IDATA_ATTR CACHEALIGN_ATTR;
18:15:25*gevaerts just found that he uploaded a dummy c250erase that only prints status messages but doesn't actually write...
18:15:26jhMikeSsaratoga: because IDATA_ATTR is overridden in that codec and DRAM used instead
18:15:49BigBambigevaerts: for the chap earlier
18:15:51BigBambi?
18:15:59gevaertsyes. No wonder it's so fast
18:16:01saratogai will have to look more closely at your code then
18:16:16BigBambigevaerts: Poor guy :) Keeping having to reboot etc. :)
18:16:28gevaertsI guess he'll be back when he notices that it still doesn't work...
18:16:33BigBambiyep
18:16:35jhMikeSsaratoga: the main header #undefs stuff for ARM cpus since they have good caches
18:16:48saratogaah ok
18:17:10saratogai'm just using IRAM for all shared structs anyway, so it sounds like I don't need to be too concerned about this
18:17:18saratogawas thinking that maybe there was a futher limitation on how IRAM was shared
18:17:48jhMikeSsaratoga: IRAM is a do-what-you-please re: cores
18:18:12saratogasounds good
18:18:36jhMikeSsaratoga: I think n1s determined the SPC codec ran faster with DRAM rather than wide IRAM usage.
18:19:07saratogai've noticed that IRAM can very rarely be much slower, but never figured out a pattern to it
18:22:20gevaertsBigBambi: I noticed when trying to get my c250 back to a 2GB model
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18:31:53*LambdaCalculus37 wouldn't want that to happen to *any* of his DAPs
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18:34:08lee321987gevaerts: still only boots to Manufacturing mide.
18:34:19gevaertslee321987: I noticed the c250erase I uploaded earlier didn't work properly. I uploaded a new one a few minutes ago
18:34:34gevaertsStill gevaerts/c250erase">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/c250erase
18:34:37lee321987link?
18:34:40lee321987oops
18:35:02gevaertsIt only printed out status messages, but it didn't actually do anything.
18:35:05gevaertsThe new one works
18:35:28gevaertsYou'll notice it's much slower
18:35:48lee321987DLing now...thanks man
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19:49:34lee321987gevaerts: All hail the mighty Gevaerts
19:49:54gevaertsyou mean it works?
19:50:02lee321987yes
19:50:07lee321987thanks a lot
19:50:30advcomp2019lee321987, great news :)
19:50:37gevaertsNow just don't try that formatting tool again :)
19:50:58lee321987guess that was it huh?
19:51:18gevaertsIt probably messed with the partitions as well
19:51:26gevaertsAnd c200s dont't like that...
19:52:13lee321987is there a page that explains what the eraser tool did?
19:52:46gevaertsNo, but I can tell you :)
19:52:55lee321987please
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19:53:39gevaertsIt basically wrote a new partition table, erased the firmware partition, and rewrote the FAT headers.
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19:54:10gevaertsAll of those are things the sansa recovery things don't fix and can get stuck on
19:55:12lee321987"worte a new partition table" −− does that mean/include deleting all partitions and creating new ones?
19:55:26gevaertsyes.
19:55:38lee321987awesome tool man. thanks.
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20:05:28fmlHello. Could an FS admin put FS #8400 as a related task to FS #9305?
20:05:49lee321987Is Rockbox Utility working good with Sansa c200s? If so can I build Rockbox Utility in Cygwin?
20:06:45Lloreanlee321987: Why do you need to compile a copy of it?
20:07:05domonokylee321987: rbutil should work fine with c200s, but i dont know if you can build with cygwin. i use mingw on windows..
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20:13:41fmlA small clarification: the above phrase about FS #9305 was not a question but rather a request :-) I know that the answer to the question would be 'yes'
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21:28:40Lloreangevaerts: I was just about to do that too.
21:28:43LloreanThe MP4 parser seems to have some limitations (it can't handle files over a certain size period, for one) so I was wondering if this might just be further problematic behaviour in it. Does Lear know about this bug report?
21:28:53gevaertsI don't know
21:29:26LloreanHe'd probably be a good person to talk with about it, I think
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21:30:27gevaertsThe weird thing is that apparently selecting a bookmark works fine (although I haven't verified this yet)
21:31:03n1sif you install a voice with rbutil, does it generate it or downöoad it from somewhere?
21:31:11n1ss/ö/l/
21:31:33gevaertsDepends. "Install" downloads, "Generate" generates
21:35:13n1shmm, "install" gives a nice 404 error...
21:35:48gevaertsFS #9306 seems not to depend on any special settings
21:36:43Lloreann1s: It looks like voices aren't available right now. Not sure why
21:36:56LloreanThere should normally also be links to them on the daily build page, there aren't.
21:37:36*pixelma asked that a few days ago already
21:37:49n1soh
21:37:52pixelmaIIRC Bagder said he was looking into it
21:38:07domonokyno voices to download, so the 404 error is correct..
21:38:44*n1s finds another weirdness, daily build zips have dropped to
21:39:08n1s¨about 250kB
21:39:48pixelmaok, it was yesterday
21:41:05n1sthe main binary, plugins, codecs lamguages etc are missing from the daily zips
21:41:10n1sBagder: ping
21:42:53pixelmafor the older dailies there was also a maps zip available, which also seem to have vanished after the server outage
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21:46:24AlexThi?
21:46:34AlexT
21:46:39domonokyho!
21:46:50*bluebrother wanted to say the same thing
21:47:09bluebrothernobody in there, only bots. All others are gone :P
21:47:29AlexTanyone wanna help me wiht a rockbox question>
21:47:43bluebrotheronly if you dare to ask ...
21:48:34AlexTwtf
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21:49:09bluebrotherwtf?
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21:50:02AlexT1231hi?
21:50:04*bluebrother hands AlexT1231 an irc client
21:50:16AlexT1231this is really slow for me
21:50:26agaffneyyes, web-based IRC clients suck
21:50:30agaffneyget a real client
21:50:57bluebrotherespecially cgi::irc. mibbit.com is much better
21:51:13agaffneymirc, xchat, irssi, bitchx, pidgin, chatzilla, etc.
21:51:18agaffneythere's no shortage of them :P
21:51:36bluebrotherwell, maybe he should now dare to ask his question ;)
21:53:06AlexT1231will do
21:53:19bluebrotherwell, then do so
21:53:34domonokybluebrother: have you seen my fix in the iaudio bootloader install ? you should maybe do it the same in your bootloader rework.. :-)
21:53:45bluebrotherdomonoky: already did that :)
21:53:51domonoky:-)
21:54:13bluebrotherdomonoky: you might want to give http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutil-bootloader-rework-9.diff a look
21:54:58bluebrotherI'd really like to commit soon, but I'm somewhat reluctant because of the upcoming release −− do we want to add such changes before building a 3.0-version of rbutil?
21:55:29Lloreanbluebrother: I think it's okay.
21:55:45LloreanWe have 1.0.6 that we can branch from for a 3.0 build of rbutil if your changes prove problematic.
21:56:30BigBambi_Have there not been quite a few other fixes since 1.0.6?
21:56:35bluebrotherLlorean: good point. A 3.0 build would only have a config file changed, so it's not really an issue
21:56:48LloreanBigBambi_: Well, 1.0.6+fixes then.
21:56:55LloreanThe point is we can branch from wherever if we need to.
21:56:59BigBambi_yep
21:57:22bluebrotherBigBambi_: check RockboxUtility −− not much fixes, rather some improvements
21:57:37BigBambi_yes, I'm just looking now
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21:57:54BigBambi_Some are fairly important though IMO - e.g. new c200 OF
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21:58:32BigBambi_Still, as Llorean says, it can be branched immediately before these changes if they prove to be an issue (I have confidence!)
21:58:32*gevaerts gets all sorts of weird issues
21:58:43bluebrotherwell, I could create an updated binary of rbutil with my changes and throw it at you guys for trying it out ;-)
21:58:49BigBambi_sure
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22:01:39domonokybluebrother: why are there changes to installbootloader.cpp in the patch ? i think this file isnt needed anymore ? :-)
22:03:10bluebrotherdomonoky: good point −− seems I forgot to svn rm that file. Will do.
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22:06:49bluebrotherdomonoky: ok, -10 uploaded which removed that file.
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22:13:08bluebrotherok guys, binary of my current rework state online. Please test bootloader installation and yell at me if something is broken :) http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.7z
22:13:18domonokybluebrother: hm, isnt the unistall function in rbutilqt.pro missing the special case for the h10pure ?
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22:13:32Alext1232hii?
22:13:34BigBambi_bluebrother: Any targets in particular?
22:13:36domonokys/.pro/.cpp
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22:13:44BigBambi_Alext1232: We are still waiting for a question
22:13:48Alext1232hahah sorry
22:13:51Alext1232i was gettin irc
22:14:05Alext1232thanks for waiting though :)
22:14:16Alext1232so heres my question
22:14:23Alext1232I have a sansa e200
22:14:33Alext1232and i have 2 cds that i ripped
22:14:33bluebrotherBigBambi_: no. I tried several myself, but I hope other issues get revealed by more testers :)
22:14:39BigBambi_OK, will do
22:14:47bluebrotherdomonoky: d'oh, missed that.
22:14:51scorche|shAlext1232: please write complete thoughts in one line...it is much harder to read when you use the enter key as punctuation
22:14:54Alext1232and some songs off those 2 cds arnt showing up in the database
22:14:56BigBambi_Alext1232: Please don't use the enter key as punctuation, it makes it much harder to read
22:15:07Alext1232? I m not
22:15:11BigBambi_You
22:15:12BigBambi_are
22:15:13scorche|shyou are
22:15:13BigBambi_It
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22:15:18BigBambi_read
22:15:21BigBambi_etc.
22:15:25Alext1232ohhhhhhh sorrrrry i got it
22:15:54BigBambi_So you copied some songs over, initialised the database, and not all are showing up?
22:16:00Alext1232ok well, soo random songs off of these 2 cds i ripped are not showwing up in my databse... and i have tried everythign
22:16:03domonokybluebrother: wouldnt it be better to put this file and url setting in the bootloaderInstallBase Constructor ? (ofcourse then those classes need access to settings)..
22:16:33Alext1232they show up in the files folders on the device, and on the native sansa firmware
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22:17:31bluebrotherdomonoky: well, my idea was to minimize dependencies to other classes, like the logger (done by signals) or settings
22:17:53bluebrotheryou could use an overloaded constructor that takes these values instead
22:18:27bluebrotherand for the h10pure, my idea was to extend it later with setBlFile(QStringList)
22:18:59domonokyah, jeah, it maybe better to leave it without depencies to settings..
22:19:02Alext1232whoop... i just fixed it
22:19:30gevaertsWhat changed?
22:19:44bluebrothergevaerts: magic?
22:19:47Alext1232I just updated the tags on the mp3s... I literally just changed a letter of the artist
22:20:30gevaertsDo your mp3 files have embedded album art ?
22:20:51Alext1232i dont think so
22:21:17domonokybluebrother: from the irivertools folder, only the irver checksums are used ? (maybe move this files, and remove the dir completly)
22:21:37domonokyor perhaps move alle bootloader related files into a "bootloader" dir :-)
22:22:29bluebrotherI was thinking about that too, but there's also this perl script to create the md5sums
22:23:08Alext1232alright.. well thanks for all your help guys
22:23:16bluebrotherstill, making the folder structure cleaner is also something on my todo :)
22:23:44domonokyjup, i also want to seperate GUI from non-gui files..
22:23:44bluebrothermaybe move the script one folder up and modify it so it puts the output in the correct location
22:24:30bluebrotheryeah, my idea was to create a gui/ and cli/ subfolder, and leave all shared stuff at its current place.
22:25:42bluebrotherthat way we could simply use the sub-src template for both variants, or use two pro files in the main folder
22:25:45domonokybut maybe also a core directory with subfolders like, "bootloader" "themes" ... may help to structure rbutil a bit..
22:26:22CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 6 seconds at the last flood
22:26:22*domonoky would like gui/ cli/ and core/ in the rbutilqt directory.. :-)
22:26:22bluebrotherhmm. How about rbutilqt/core, rbutilqt/gui and rbutilqt/cli?
22:26:28bluebrother:D
22:26:40domonokyhehe
22:26:55bluebrotherthen require all files in core/ and cli/ to not include QtGui but only QtCore
22:27:44bluebrothershuffling the files around shouldn't be too hard −− and leave all stuff that's not cleaned up in the rbutilqt/ folder
22:28:05domonokyjup
22:28:29domonokybut thats for after the release...
22:28:31bluebrothermaybe it would be good to finish the bootloader stuff, then start changing the structure
22:29:07bluebrotherand introduce the cli folder even if it's empty. Then adjust your cli work and put it there ...
22:30:12domonokythats a plan .. :-)
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22:55:50pixelmaBagder: did you already find the time to fix the voice links? n1s also noticed some other weirdnesses earlier
22:56:29BagderI fixed some problems today that I think were related/causing this
22:57:03Bagderwhat other weirdnesses was that?
22:57:21Lloreansaratoga: I know the S's CPU is faster at the same clock speed than the F, but if I recall current mpegplayer benchmarks don't show it being "tremendously" so. I'd imagine the video coprocessor would probably have to do more than just scaling, but I think it's designed specifically to handle certain common operations in video decoding anywya.
22:58:44pixelmaBagder: look at one of the daily build pages - the zip size is much smaller (missing .rock) and also the maps zip is missing
22:59:13pixelmalog at 21:41
22:59:15Bagderah right, the local compiler was messed up so all locally compiled things were crap
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23:54:33saratogaLlorean: the peak performance of the S is much, much higher, though it requires code to be rewritten to take advantage of the vector fp unit
23:55:13XavierGrLlorean: But doesn't the Gigabeat S use lower clock speed than the maximum?
23:55:34saratoga1 fixed point multiply-add on the F takes 6 cycles in the ALU, while S can do 2 fp multiply-adds every clock
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23:56:15LloreanXavierGr: Yes. My statement doesn't depend on that.
23:56:17saratogapeak throughput for multiply adds is something like 24 times higher on the S then the F
23:56:37Lloreansaratoga: So with optimization the mpeg codec can be a lot faster?
23:57:05saratogayeah I think so
23:57:35saratogathough i'm not that familar with the plugin so I could be wrong
23:58:58XavierGrLlorean: I just thought you didn't know and you assumed that the gain wasn't much with a comparison max to max
23:58:59LloreanWell, that's still more work than just "add scaling" which is what I wanted to suggest.

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