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#rockbox log for 2008-08-25

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00:16:51Casainhohello again :-)
00:17:28CasainhoI have a question about RB bootloader: is really need to use RB kernel on bootloader?
00:18:02Casainhois possible to launch RB firmware without initialize RB kernel?
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00:19:24CasainhoBagder: are you there?
00:19:26Bagderyou mean init the BSS or what is "initialize" in this context?
00:21:16CasainhoBagder: well, I have one bootstrap, I could have another bootloader like the RB one, but based on bootstrap...
00:22:09CasainhoI would like to know if for launching RB firmware the important it to mount the FAT partition and read the RB firmware....
00:22:20Bagdersince the rb bootloader may get too big, why not stat with bootstrap loading the rb bootloader?
00:22:25Bagderstart
00:23:26Bagderno, rockbox cannot have opinions from where you load it before you have started it
00:23:39Casainhoyes, bootstrap loads bootloader.... but, the bootloader could be based on bootstrap code and not on RB bootloader code - and why? because bootstrap code is done, and maybe is simple to add it FAT library and ATA
00:23:48Bagderbut putting it on the fat fs is how we do on all targets of today
00:24:12Bagderbootstrap is done sure but bootloader is done as well
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00:24:52Casainhobootloader is done not for this ARM at91sam9260
00:25:02Bagderno, but for several other ARM based ones
00:25:05Casainhobut bootstrap is
00:25:13Bagderyes, but that lacks a lot of other stuff instead
00:25:31Casainhostuff, as what? (sorry, I ignore)
00:25:40Bagderand we want bootloaders to share code with other bootloaders of course
00:26:03Bagderstuff like fat, display code, buttons
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00:26:41Casainhorockbox FAT library needs kernel running? or can run without kernel?
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00:27:00gevaertsIt depends on the rockbox disk API
00:27:07Casainhosaying in another way, could I use RB FAT library using the bootstrap?
00:27:23Bagdereverything is possible
00:27:37Bagderthe question is not that, the question is which is the sensible way
00:28:00LloreanCasainho: You may not be able to see it, but it makes more sense to adapt the existing Rockbox bootloaders than to try to adapt your bootstrap code.
00:28:34LloreanThis is what they're trying to tell you.
00:29:27Bagderand you want that in the end anyway when you want your code to go into the rockbox code base
00:30:19Casainhookok - I think I understand −− but as I am not familiar with RB code (not even with much others), for me is almost the same −− thats why I am stuck with bootstrap, because it's done for this MCU and is well commented - this are advantages for me
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00:30:45Bagderso read that code and use all the info you gain there when you adapt the rockbox bootloader
00:32:21Casainholooks like the way to go.......
00:32:35Casainhothen
00:33:38Casainhoanother question: does the RB firmware do again the system_init()???
00:33:58Casainhoor is not need since bootlaoder did that before?
00:34:37Bagderwhy does that matter?
00:34:47Bagderand btw: find . -name "*.c" | xargs grep system_init
00:36:52CasainhoI just would like to understand... because bootstrat do system_init(), bootloader also.... so I was thinking if firmware also does
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00:38:14Bagderbootstrap is not rockbox code
00:38:52Casainhoyes, I know, but it initializes also the system....
00:38:56Bagderfirmware can do it sure, in rolo etc
00:40:22CasainhoI was asking for myself if every time there is like a jump over each code load stage, there is need to initialize the system −−- bootstrap -> bootloader -> firmware
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00:41:04Bagdereverything initializes what it needs to
00:41:23Bagderand it usually depends on what it knows the prior stage did
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00:45:03Casainhothanks :-) −− I think I will dream with this CPU, I will sleep now −− If at least it was a feminine CPU :-) eheh :-)
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00:58:13Dhraakellian[2008-08-24 12:23:38] <saratoga> assuming you record to wav with the screen off, probably longer then playing music
00:58:24DhraakellianI was thinking mp3 or wavpack
00:58:52Dhraakellianand I don't have a big enough microSD card to record 18 hours of wav
00:58:52gevaertsDhraakellian: why not try all of them? That will give a lot more information
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01:00:44gevaertsHow low can you set the quality? Is 11kHz 8 bit mono possible?
01:02:13Dhraakelliandunno
01:02:33amiconnOn Sansa, recording only does 22.05kHz, 16 bit
01:02:47amiconnSelecting stereo/mono is possible
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01:03:13gevaertsSo you'd need 3GB for an 18 hour wav recording
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01:07:45n9xvthey i can confirm this one http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8659?pagenum=5 on my c240
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01:22:35Dhraakellianhmm
01:22:47Dhraakellianif I cleared out a bunch of space on the internal storage...
01:26:00kugellinuxstb: Is there any reason why you didn't implement a function to read the current viewport?
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01:29:25kugelor any other way to make the current vp visible to the rest of the code
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02:32:42kugelJdGordon|zzz: wake up :P
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03:50:57kugelJdGordon|zzz: j
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03:51:37Segadudehey guys I just installed an Ipod wizard theme and now I can't boot into rockbox!
03:52:18Segadudeanyone here?
03:52:39Segadudehello?
03:52:45advcomp2019Segadude, yea but hold on
03:52:53Segadudek
03:53:27advcomp2019not everyone is at their computer and if they are they might not be looking
03:54:02Segadudeyea ok
03:54:18Segadudedid you see my problem above?
03:55:41advcomp2019yes but since i do not have an ipod i am not sure
03:56:22Segadudeok
03:56:43Segadudeshould I ask on the fourm then?
03:57:13advcomp2019you can stay here
03:57:36Segadudeok them
03:57:39Segadudethen
03:58:18Soapdid you do a Menu + Select hard reboot of the iPod?
03:58:25LloreanSegadude: Well, iPodWizard probably uninstalls the Rockbox bootloader
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03:58:48LloreanSince it modifies the original firmware partition, it's entirely reasonable that it might remove Rockbox in doing so, depending on how it does it.
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03:59:13Segadudethis is the second theme and it didn't do that before. So should I reinstall the bootloader
03:59:15Segadude?
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03:59:26Segadudesoap: yes i did
03:59:37_tweakquick question: are you guys planning on porting over the bootloader to bsd?
03:59:58Soapthen, Segadude, Llorean's suspicion is correct - it appears you no longer have the Rockbox bootloader. Reinstall it.
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04:00:10Segadudeok thats guys!
04:00:16Llorean_tweak: The bootloader is what you install onto the player. It wouldn't make sense to port it to BSD...
04:00:16Segadudethanks sorry
04:00:30_tweakLlorean, I meant the patch exe
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04:01:05Llorean_tweak: That's a vague statement. Please specify what program you're referring to, as there's a variety of ones for different players, as well as the general-purpose RBUtil that works for nearly all of them.
04:01:15Segadudebrb let you know how it goes
04:02:13_tweakLlorean, for example: ipodpatcher.exe
04:02:37Llorean_tweak: Have you tried compiling a BSD version. I know it compiles for Linux at least.
04:02:54_tweakwhere can I find the source tree to pull it down?
04:03:10Llorean_tweak: Have you had a look around rockbox.org at all?
04:03:38_tweakLlorean, I read the manual
04:04:00LloreanTry visiting the wiki and scrolling to the for developers section.
04:04:08_tweakthanks
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04:05:12JdGordonkugel: ive got the flu... im not going ot be very helpful today
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04:05:53kugelJdGordon: the "j" message was an accident
04:06:47_tweakthanks; I found the subversion tree
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04:11:51PhoReich#rockbox-community
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04:15:21kugelJdGordon: Let me ask a question about my custom list patch. I'm not sure what to do about option_screen and derivatives (e.g. set_int). While option_screen accepts a parent, set_int does not. And I'm not really keen on passing a parent to set_int, because it's meant to be as easy as possible
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04:18:01kugelSo, I've implemented a function (to the screen api) to read the current viewport, which will automatically be passed to option_screen in set_int, so that set_int will use the viewport of the previous screen. While this is very useful IMHO and can be possibly used for other stuff as well, I'm not really sure if it's "right", since a way to read the current vp from the apps code wasn't...
04:18:03kugel...implemented in the first place by linuxstb
04:19:12Lloreankugel: He's just said he's got the flu. Why not post your concerns to the task, or try again when he's well?
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04:36:10Segadudehey guys I worked! Thanks!
04:36:23kugelIf you feel well enough to answer, I'll read the logs, or post on the tracker. But don't hurry. I'm very sorry because of your flu and I hope you'll be fine as soon as possible again, good luck!
04:36:36kugelthat was for JdGordon
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05:03:05webguest43does anyone know how to use mediacoder 0.6.0 to convert videos fo a sansa e270
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05:04:42webguest43anybody can help?
05:04:53advcomp2019webguest43, did you read the wiki
05:05:14webguest43yeah......
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05:05:29webguest43but it keep converting to avi
05:05:41ToHellWithGAdo y'all know of a good utility to download album art so that i can convert it to the appropriate .bmp format?
05:06:01advcomp2019there is step there that you can follow
05:06:50webguest43even when the rockbox extension is used it still does it
05:09:04advcomp2019how about the other ones on the wiki?
05:09:29scorche|shToHellWithGA: that isnt really rockbox relates...
05:09:55webguest43well... the winiff works well but the video quality isnt as great
05:10:33scorche|shwebguest43: then tweak the settings a bit...it also depends on your source video
05:11:00webguest43so the preset extension isnt the best?
05:11:09scorche|shi usually use winff
05:12:13webguest43i converted the same video using the stock converter and played it on the sansa os and it played alot better so i wanted the same quality when using rockbox
05:13:10webguest43i tried mediacoder but it keeps converting to avi even when i use the preset rockbox extension
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06:01:36wpyhanyone with a 30GB ipod 5.5g here?
06:09:25cool_walking_I've got a 60GB 5G, and no headphones..
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06:45:05wpyhhey, I think I've found it!
06:45:29wpyhthe checksum at the end of the dfu files is actually part of the standard dfu suffix
06:47:31*wpyh wonders if anyone is still interested in the meizu players... :(
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07:51:32mamoulhey buddies
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08:21:05mamoulanybody awake?
08:30:23LinusNi am usually aways at this time of day
08:30:26LinusNawake
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08:38:54mamoulLinusN: :)
08:39:12mamoulis heresmetng special I have to do to get a language font and stuff
08:39:23mamoulI installed the extra fonts pack
08:39:32mamoulbut I don't get any arabic showing on my player
08:39:54LinusNmamoul: in the browser or in the wps?
08:40:19LinusNi assume you have selected a font that has araboc characters?
08:40:24LinusNarabic, even
08:40:33mamoulwell I selected the language
08:40:41mamoulbut it showed blocks
08:40:49LinusNyou also need to select a font that has arabic characters
08:40:54mamouloh
08:40:57mamoulis it in the menu?
08:41:07LinusNin the theme settings
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08:42:53mamoulok I'm trying different ones
08:42:57LinusNlooks like only Unifont and helvR12 have arabic characters
08:43:05mamoulooh
08:43:11mamoulis there a quick way to see
08:43:19LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
08:43:53mamoulwow that is incredible
08:43:57mamoulit even goes from right to left lol
08:44:02mamoulunlike my gnome-terminal >_>
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08:44:56mamoullol theme options actually says "theem"
08:45:06mamoulrockbox is like the best thing ever
08:45:27LinusNmamoul: if you find errors in the translations, please let us know
08:45:44amiconnSpeaking about fonts...
08:45:49amiconnmarkun: ping
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08:46:48mamoulLinusN: thanks if I spot anything I will try but since I'm not fluent I can't be sure at the moment
08:47:28LinusNmamoul: thanks
08:49:20mamoulunicode is really handy
08:49:31mamoulI can't imagine life without it
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08:54:27capiscuascan anybody tell me the steps to try rockbox in my Creative Zen Micro ?
08:54:35capiscuasofficially rockbox does not support it
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09:15:27capiscuasanybody has tried to use Creative Zen with rockbox??
09:18:02scorche|shcapiscuas: rockbox does not work on that target, as the front page shows
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10:16:14earHurtsanyone run rockboxdev.sh lately?
10:16:19B4gderyes
10:16:43earHurtsestimate only,howlong doesit taketobuildalltargets?
10:16:57earHurtssorry, bad space bar
10:17:12B4gderdepends on your host, but on a reasonable linux < 1 hour
10:17:45earHurtsah, not so bad then; I'm building it on an eee901
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10:31:19earHurtsOh, it's no biggie. Just trying to guage how how unerpowered this 901 is.
10:32:27B4gderwell, I need to run it to repair my cross-compiler
10:34:57B4gderdone!
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10:35:55earHurts:;
10:35:58earHurts;)
10:38:11*petur figures an 901 will need some time ;)
10:38:35earHurtsyeah
10:39:20earHurtsI did it once, but binutils didn't download. So it went through the whole build, for nothing
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10:49:35*B4gder is done with the sh one and now goes for the mips one too just for completeness
10:52:13earHurtswhat about arm?
10:52:27B4gderI already had that done
10:52:41earHurtsoh
10:56:00earHurtsjust starting arm,just finished m86
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11:10:22B4gderbut I'll ignore that for now
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12:04:29XavierGrgosh, translating rbutil will need a lot of work :O Fortunately linguist is a nice and easy to use tool
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12:11:45mcuelenaerewpyh: have you read my previous statements?
12:12:02XavierGris the rbutil source downloaded competely from an svn checkout?
12:13:01mcuelenaereB4gder: where/how exactly does the mipsel build fail?
12:13:13mcuelenaereXavierGr: AFAIK yes
12:14:38XavierGrmcuelenaere: I get some errors from qmake that it can't find the qm lang files so I assumed that I don't have all the files needed, but maybe I have to do something first
12:15:04mcuelenaereXavierGr: have you read the RBUtilityDevelopment wiki page?
12:15:21mcuelenaereI believe it requires you to do a certain command to publish the qm files or similar
12:15:33mcuelenaereqrelease I think
12:16:04mcuelenaerelupdate and lrelease*
12:16:21mcuelenaereXavierGr: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityDevelopment#How_to_Translate
12:16:22XavierGrah yes just did that, now it doesn't complain
12:16:26XavierGryeah i was reading that
12:16:48XavierGri just thought that the languages already translated had the qm files in the souce already
12:17:50mcuelenaereI'm not sure about that, perhaps it's a part of the building process..
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12:30:04JdGordonkugel: getting the current viewport probably isnt a good idea.... and set_int is supposed to be being deprecated anyway
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14:31:42CasainhoBagder: hello :-) −− do you know any possible RB developr that whould like to develop the Rockbox Player, If I offer the developmetn board?
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14:36:49B4gderconsider asking that yourself, on for example the -dev mailing list and/or in the forums
14:37:09B4gderI don't know of any right now
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14:43:00wpyhmcuelenaere: yes, I saw them now...
14:43:10wpyhI also didn't find a checksum
14:43:27wpyhbut did you try replacing a string and see whether it still works?
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14:49:03CasainhoB4gder: thanks :-)
14:51:25CasainhoB4gder: you know "bluebrother" guy? - I would like to get his contact... I think he may be interested, at least yestarday he says somtething about
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14:53:13B4gderyes we know him, he's a regular here and in the project
14:54:05Casainhonice −− where can I find his contact? maybe a PM on forum?
14:54:18B4gderhe joins here basically every day so you'll catch him soon enough, I don't know how often he reads the forums
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14:55:24Casainhookok - with PM normaly we get an e-mail... but okok, I will search him
14:56:01CasainhoI may donate my actual development board and other materials.... - no, I will not desist, simple I can buy another after :-)
14:56:12Casainhothanks :-)
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15:05:30MarcGuayHowdy folks. Anyone have an opinion on the definition of a "New Port"? I've always assumed it to mean there was half-functioning code in the tree - not simply a lot of research (re: Sansa v2)
15:06:18B4gderI think it is "an ongoing effort to make a new target run Rockbox"
15:06:31B4gderso I think "just" research is enough
15:06:35MarcGuayB4gder: So more to do with current activiy than progress?
15:06:39B4gderyes
15:06:49*MarcGuay tips his hat
15:06:51LambdaCalculus37Makes sense...
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15:11:20B4gderprogress is very hard to judge as there can go long time with seemingly no progress and then all of a sudden you manage to knit a pattern from all the loose ends
15:11:58B4gderand with several of the modern targets, the research is a lot of rather tedious and hard work
15:12:01LambdaCalculus37B4gder: Would the Gigabeat S port be a good example of that?
15:12:54B4gderI think so, even if I can't say I've followed the beast closely myself
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15:24:40B4gderso cowon has revealed a what dapreview claims to be a D2 successor, called S9
15:24:58B4gderhttp://www.dapreview.net/news.php?item.4316.5
15:25:57peturdual core 500MHz and 40 hours battery life ???
15:26:02LambdaCalculus37And according to the article, it's also a successor to the X5.
15:26:14LambdaCalculus37Guess that means we won't be seeing the iAudio X7 any time soon.
15:26:28B4gderno mention of storage sizes
15:27:07B4gderI find it funny that they mention the 500mhz dual core in the marketing
15:27:23B4gderI mean, who really cares about that?
15:28:13B4gderbut it makes me curious what cpu it is
15:28:44*LambdaCalculus37 wonders too
15:30:10B4gder"Dynamic Dictionary" must be a killer feature ;-P
15:30:15XavierGrI saw that new target too, I wonder why they don't say its capacity
15:30:36gevaerts"Dynamic Dictionary"? Does that mean it makes up a definition if it can't find one?
15:30:39XavierGrif it is a spacious one it would be a very good one me things
15:30:47XavierGr\thinks too
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16:37:51kugellinuxstb: Hey. Is there any specific reason why you didn't implement a way to read the current viewport by e.g. apps/ code?
16:40:35kugelSlasheri: ping
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16:52:20Slasherikugel: hello!
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16:58:25kugelSlasheri: ahh, I didn't expect you to answer
16:58:46kugelI tried to reach you several times the last weeks. Anyway, I've got a question about the sort tag patch
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17:00:01Slasherikugel: sorry, I have just had too much other work to do..
17:00:02kugelit seems to cause database instabilities, like songs disappear randomly from the database without doing anything. I don't know why. It seems to happen no matter if the sort tags are actually used or not
17:00:48Slasherikugel: interesting, i will check the patch if i can see something causing that
17:00:58kugelSlasheri: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287
17:02:20kugelSlasheri: I *guess* it has something to do with memory. My guess is that I've added 4 tags to the tagcache (it says committing 1/13 etc at database building), but I haven't modified memory allocation or the like
17:03:16Slasherikugel: you shouldn't need to modify allocations as long as those tags are properly defined. maybe that exposes some other problem inside the tagcache
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17:04:06kugelSlasheri: Ah ok. Could it also have something to do with "Load to RAM"? I always have this enabled, but I didn't try without
17:04:38Slasheriif possible, please try also without that
17:04:48Slasheriwhat kind of instabilities did it cause?
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17:08:48kugela) songs disappeard from the database. The database initialized properly, but as the time passes, songs dissappear. When a album had 20 songs, it had only 17 after some days, and they won't come in until reinitialization b) songs disappear while browsing the database, but reappear after a reboot c) the database needs to reinitialized noticeably more often due to "database not ready"
17:08:59kugelgenerally, the database is rendered useless
17:10:30Slasheriinteresting.. so something is corrupting the db
17:10:50Slasheriit could help to run the code through simulator to see all db error messages
17:11:09Slasheriat a quick look, i don't see any problems with the patch
17:11:34kugelwhen I made the patch, the sim didn't show errors. Although, I've tested it with way less music files
17:12:22Slasherii could also try loading the db from the player to the simulator to see what kind of corruption is inside the db
17:12:25Slasheri*you
17:12:27saratogais the plan to branch the SVN code at the end of the feature freeze, or does the freeze end right as the release comes out?
17:13:04kugelsaratoga: I guess it depends on the plans for 3.1
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17:13:28B4gdersaratoga: we've discussed branching at the end of the freeze
17:13:39B4gderand spend a little time cleaning up things in the branch for the release
17:13:41kugelIf 3.1 will only be a bug fix version, the freeze might stay for a little longer
17:13:51kugelor that ;)
17:14:19n1sSlasheri: any idea what could cause FS #9315 ?
17:15:33Slasherin1s: at first i would guess the metadata parser failing on a file
17:16:37n1sok, i'll ask him to try to figure it out
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17:17:18n1swhich file makes it happen if that's the case that is
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17:44:46DeosilHello
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17:45:06DeosilI have a quick question if you guys don't mind
17:45:24advcomp2019Deosil, we can not read minds
17:45:39DeosilI have an Ipod color w/rockbox installed, want to know if i can tell it to turn the display OFF when in hold mode, rather than just turning the backlight off
17:45:44DeosilTo save batteries
17:46:38DeosilThe manual didn't give an option to do that
17:46:53DeosilSo I'm guessing it is not possible
17:47:01DeosilWelp?
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17:48:42Deosilanybody out there?
17:49:33DeosilThanks for the help guys!
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17:49:51virtuoso015wow, that was quick
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17:55:06ELSockhello
17:56:23kugelSlasheri: I've noticed another instability. Sometimes, the database browser doesn't show the entries properly. E.g. instead of <song> <time>, it shows /path/to/a/different/song.mp3
17:56:51ELSocki've got 2 issues if anyone could help
17:57:19virtuoso015u have to tell what the issues are
17:57:38ELSock#1 everytime i click on my music the under files, the message directory buffer full! comes up and #2 i now have this message
17:57:43ELSock*panic*
17:58:02ELSockupdating size on empty dir entry 42
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17:58:52*kugel hopes Slasheri is still here
17:59:11ELSocknot to mention i had the hardest time getting my ipod to turn back on
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18:00:53gevaertsELSock: try checking the filesystem for errors
18:01:27ELSocki can't get it to shut off, to get past the *panic* screen
18:02:20kugelSlasheri: I'm also getting codec errors sometimes, also when not even using the database, but the filebrowser
18:02:20amiconnReset the ipod, and enter diskmode manually on boot
18:04:00kugelSlasheri: Interesting enough, I'm not able to reproduce in the sim (no unexpected behavior and no error messages) BUT the sim isn't able to find my album art!
18:04:21LambdaCalculus37ElSock: Hold MENU+SELECT until it reboots.
18:04:24ELSockok i entered disk mode, but i get the ok to disconnect screen
18:04:35LambdaCalculus37Now connect it to your PC.
18:04:45ELSockconnected
18:06:06LambdaCalculus37Now scan the disk for errors.
18:07:55ELSockok ...
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18:08:11ELSocklike look through the files myself or tell the computer to scan the drive?
18:09:10virtuoso015computer
18:10:11ELSockok i right clicked on the ipod, went properties, tools, error check
18:12:53LambdaCalculus37No no no.
18:13:14LambdaCalculus37Open the Command Prompt (Start > Run > cmd).
18:13:32LambdaCalculus37Then type chkdsk /f at the prompt.
18:13:47gevaertsNot chkdsk /f <driveletter:>?
18:14:03ELSockok
18:14:10ELSockdrive letter is L
18:15:04LambdaCalculus37Then type chkdsk /f L:
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18:17:21ELSockit says chkdsk not available for raw drives
18:17:47gevaertsinteresting... Can you open the ipod in explorer?
18:19:45ELSockin windows to see the files?
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18:20:19LambdaCalculus37Yes.
18:20:24ELSockthen yes i can
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18:24:43ELSockit seems as though the crowd is stumped?
18:25:16virtuoso015:)
18:25:54gevaertsELSock: I'd say try the GUI check way (what you were going to do earlier before LambdaCalculus37 interrupted you so rudely :), to see if that gives the same errors
18:26:58ELSockgui?
18:27:12virtuoso015graphic user interface
18:27:26virtuoso015meaning the right-click , error check thing
18:28:10ELSockyou know i consider myself a big computer nerd, i can pull 'em apart put together, fix 'em, tell ya whats broken (usually) if i can't fix 'em... but forsome reason this is kick my a$$
18:28:53virtuoso015by the way, its not graphic .. its graphical :P
18:29:19ELSockso back through explorer, tell windows to check for errors.. this is the plan?
18:29:27gevaertsyes
18:29:47XavierGrELSock: raw drive tells me that your ipod disk is unformated, but that can't be true if you can see and open its disk from explorer...
18:30:24virtuoso015probably, something else is corrupted ??
18:30:26ELSockhere i am thinking i just needed to sautee it till a nice golden brown... and no more raw
18:30:37XavierGrmaybe if you backup your data and try to format it to FAT32?
18:30:50ELSocktheres nothing on it that i need to back up
18:30:51kugelSlasheri: ping :)
18:31:06*gevaerts looks angrily at format-happy people
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18:31:45ELSocki understand the "don't always need to format" but being that i have nothing worth saving cause its essentiall a copy of the music on my pc, i can just wipe it and start over
18:31:50XavierGrgevaerts: I am not format-happy I just remember an occasion where windows was reporting wrongly a disk unformatted (raw)
18:33:08ELSockok i'm gonna set it to fat32 to give that a try... but i'm not getting any file system options when i try to format through explorer
18:34:11XavierGrah yes
18:34:33XavierGryou need an external application because windows xp won't let you format to fat32 a disk larger than some gigabytes
18:34:37XavierGrtry swiss knofe
18:34:40XavierGrknife too
18:35:02ELSockah ha... and by that i mean lame
18:35:08ELSockany takers on the app to use?
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18:35:20XavierGrswiss knife, it is free
18:36:02XavierGrI think that there is a cryptic command line to format disks in fat32 through windows too, but I don't remember that comand
18:36:21ejlilleygreetings @ wpyh
18:36:34ejlilley(if he's here...)
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18:38:43ELSockdownloading swiss knige
18:38:45ELSockknife even
18:38:58ELSockwhy is that word so hard to type... knife
18:40:46ELSockdownloaded installed, and running shortly
18:42:02ELSockfull format to fat32 in process
18:42:33XavierGrI hope that you are doing a quick format (if the app asked for it)
18:42:44XavierGrotherwise it could take some time
18:43:24ELSockok lemme specify how much it didn't do
18:43:31ELSockit did nothing
18:43:47XavierGrstill you get the same error?
18:43:53ELSockran full format of the drive to fat 32, and hey would ya look at that, the ipod didn't change
18:44:05ELSockdidn't format anything, didn't remove anything
18:44:45XavierGrwhat do you mean? the disk has files in it still?
18:44:59ELSockyeah all of 'em
18:45:33XavierGrwow
18:45:44XavierGrsomething's dogdy then
18:45:49ELSockyeah a little bit
18:46:22XavierGrmaybe try a linux format utility just to be sure that the OS isn't to blame
18:46:30XavierGrhave you ever tried gparted?
18:46:39ELSocknope
18:46:53XavierGran overkill I know, but just to be sure that your hardware is faulty and not something else
18:46:56pixelmado you have admin rights, opened the command prompt with admin rights? (Though I get "access denied" when I try chkdsk without...)
18:47:32ELSocki'm the admin on the computer
18:47:56XavierGrELshock: another little windows app for formatting is fat32format
18:48:17XavierGrbut I think that will be unlikely to fix your issue, I am not sure what to say
18:48:33ELSockGnome Partition Editor
18:48:39ELSock?
18:51:51XavierGryes
18:51:56XavierGrit's a live cd
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18:54:13ELSockso not something i can download
18:56:14XavierGrthe fat32format utility can be downloaded and be run in windows (check the site). Gparted is a downloadable image cd that you can burn and boot your pc with it
18:57:05ELSockah
18:57:11ELSockfat32format didn't work..
18:57:26ELSockit just flashed a command window and vanished
18:57:57XavierGrI guess you must run it via cmd and type the command it needs
18:58:03XavierGrcheck the site for details on that
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19:03:28ELSockcommand prompt, ran the format32 program, and plugged ipod back in, and its lookin for itunes to restore it
19:03:39gevaertsELSock: are you really sure L: is the correct drive letter?
19:04:13ELSockyeah
19:04:22ELSockcomes up with my ipod name and everything
19:04:31ELSockwell did till the format worked
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19:05:51ELSocknow its completely empty
19:06:19ELSockso do i have to restore it before i re-intall and patch rockbox?
19:06:25ELSockand copy my music back
19:06:49gevaertsThe firmware partition _should_ still be fine, so you only need to reinstall the .rockbox directory
19:09:32ELSockok cool
19:09:38ELSocki'll let ya know how this works out
19:09:47ELSock2and half hours till music copy is done
19:10:19gevaertsI'd try it first with just a bit of music
19:11:48ELSockit worked when i had 5000 songs on it
19:12:15ELSockthen i wiped it all out, and added those 5k plus 3k more and it got angry with the directory buffer being full
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19:12:36XavierGryes but did you try to see if it works after this format?
19:12:48ELSockah no...
19:12:53ELSock:(
19:12:55ELSockscared
19:12:58ELSockheheh
19:13:27XavierGrtry just in case, no point in copying all this music only to find out that it doesn't even boot to rockbox
19:13:53ELSocktrue
19:14:19linuxstbkugel: A way for apps/ code to read the current viewport didn't seem necessary - the apps code sets the viewports in the first place, so should know what they are. I haven't read all the logs yet (I've been away for the last few days), so don't know why you need it...
19:16:04ELSockgood call... its lookin for that restore
19:16:18ELSockwon't do a thing till restored
19:17:04ELSockrestored and estarting
19:17:09ELSockrestarting even
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19:19:45ELSocki think my issue was... atleast i hope my issue was that i had updated and reverted the rockbox firmware like 8 times
19:19:49ELSockwithout removing it
19:20:02ELSockthen add 3k worth of files on top and Kaflooey
19:21:00gevaertsYou mean unplugging without safe removal procedures?
19:21:40ELSockno...
19:21:49ELSockwithout removing or unsitalling old firmware
19:21:57ELSocki was so confused for a second right there
19:22:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
19:22:06gevaertsThat should never cause anything like this
19:22:20ELSockoh... well then i have a lame ipod
19:25:15ELSockits already since formating and reinstalling and stuff its already giving the impression of running alot smoother
19:25:41ELSockand it sounds like its not accessing the hdd as much as it used to either
19:25:57ELSocki put one folder on and now the rest i guess
19:26:15ELSockthx for all the help guys... i'll let ya know if anything goes wrong or if this was a triumph
19:26:49ELSockone last thing... safest way to shut down is just to hold play/pause till it says shutting down... is that correct?
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19:27:34gevaertsYes
19:28:27ELSockthanx again
19:29:17kugellinuxstb: I needed it in my custom list patch. set_int doesn't take a viewport and it was always drawn in the custom list viewport. But if the screen before was fullscreen, this was bad
19:29:24ELSockgevaerts and xaviergr you guys rock... thx and to all else who helped... i appreciate it
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19:30:00kugeland to avoid passing a parent to such an easy-as-possible function, I decided to use the viewport of the previous screen
19:30:09pixelmaspeaking of viewports - why can one chose shades of grey on greyscale targets but not black or white on monochrome to have inverted parts?
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19:31:01kugellinuxstb: But now JdGordon told me that set_int is to be deprecated anyway, so this problem wouldn't really exist
19:32:19linuxstbpixelma: I think you can just use the drawmode to draw inverted text. But I guess that drawmodes aren't available in the wps, if that's what you're thinking...
19:33:14pixelmaI was just thinking about viewports declaration in the WPS
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19:34:43pixelmafrom a user's point of view
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19:35:10linuxstbamiconn: (answering your question from #rockbox-community) - No, there are no viewports in the charcell WPS, I didn't think it was worthwhile. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it here when deciding not to do it. So you think they're useful?
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19:35:42amiconnYes I do
19:36:01amiconnThis way you could e.g. a playtime besides a scrolling text (title, whatever)
19:36:28amiconnOr make a full-line progressbar smaller than full-line, placing something else besides it
19:36:31gevaertsIndeed. That would be very useful on that screen
19:36:33linuxstbIt should just be as simple as removing the #ifdef LCD_BITMAP - the driver code is there.
19:37:02*gevaerts expects that it would also involve just a bit of testing ;)
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19:38:06amiconnAnd a bit of coding too - the full-line progressbar isn't prepared for variable line length
19:38:14pixelmahow would the dimension specification work there?
19:38:22pixelmanumber of characters?
19:38:36linuxstbYes, the LCD driver implements viewports as numbers of characters.
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19:49:03amiconnpixelma: There's a similar question regarding theming: Why can you choose foreground, background, and selector colours on colour targets, but not greylevels on greyscale targets?
19:49:35amiconnMaybe someone wants the selector using just a light grey bar and black text, instead of the default black bar with white text?
19:49:58*Llorean thinks that'd actually look decently nice.
19:50:41amiconnThere's some more things to be themed, btw, e.g. fg & bg of splashes
19:50:59pixelmatrue, this was even "prepared" in the langv2 rework (not excluding "set foreground" strings etc. for greyscale)
19:51:16*amiconn wonders how many of these things should be settings though, and which ones should only be part of a general theme file
19:51:54amiconnIf every single selectable colour would become a setting, that'd soon end in a big mess imo
19:52:03ToHellWithGAscorche|sh: i think it could be rockbox related
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19:52:46ToHellWithGAif the rockbox utility provided a means to utilize or generate the database it would take a bit of load off of the device while it is fully portable and not plugged in
19:54:10Lloreanamiconn: I tend to agree. I think most "theme" settings don't need a menu entry, instead having a preference for well-formed theme files being the preferred/only way to change most of them (especially viewport dimensions as we get more into that)
19:54:38ToHellWithGAi still have not found a source for album art other than taking it from amazon.com's (often off color / low contrast / aribtrarily sized) scans
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19:55:01ToHellWithGAdo y'all know of a better place to look for album art to accompany my music besides scanning my leaflets myself?
19:55:21LloreanToHellWithGA: "Where to get album art" belongs more in -community.
19:55:32ToHellWithGALlorean: #rockbox-community?
19:55:53LloreanYes.
19:55:56ToHellWithGAthanks
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19:58:17pixelmalinuxstb: I didn't fully understand your statement about drawmodes. Are you saying it wouldn't be easily possible to have (WPS) viewports on monochrome screens which use white as foreground and black as background?
19:59:26amiconnpixelma: The mono LCD drivers don't have a concept of foreground and background colours
19:59:48amiconnForeground is always black, and background is always white (inverse on mr100 of course)
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20:00:06amiconnSo in order to get white-on-black, you need DRMODE_INVERSEVID
20:00:38pixelmahmm, how about having an "inverted" flag for viewports then?
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20:02:02pixelmabasically just for completeness but I think it could give some nice new possibilities
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20:18:21bertrikdoes anyone know where how the reset is triggered when plugging in USB on sansa?
20:18:39amiconnrasher: Regarding your UnicodeFonts page - do you think we should list "Latin extended A" support as well? That one's important for quite a few languages
20:19:09rasheramiconn: Err, I list all ranges
20:19:25amiconn?
20:19:36rasher!
20:19:43*amiconn is referring to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeFonts
20:19:56rasherAh. That's hardly my page
20:20:24rasherI've done a single minor edit on it
20:20:41amiconnAh, ok. r1 is from markun
20:20:53gevaertsbertrik: what do you mean?
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20:22:15bertrikI meant the reboot on USB plugin
20:22:20amiconnrasher: Are you generating those stats automatically?
20:22:30amiconnrockfont-8 is missing altogether, btw
20:22:50gevaertsbertrik: the reboot is done by try_reboot() in firmware/usb.c
20:23:12rasherMany fonts are missing
20:24:07*rasher updates rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/
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20:25:36rasherMaybe a matrix would be useful there as well
20:25:43bertrikI noticed a forum thread and a bug report about sansas not always resetting on usb plugin
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20:26:19amiconnbertrik: That's a long-standing bug, and it's all PP502x targets, not only sansas
20:26:27bertrikhow clean is the reboot anyway, does everything get shut down nicely?
20:26:54bertrikor maybe it's not resetting because of a missing ack from a subsystem
20:28:03bertrikI wonder, if the reboot is not reliable, maybe we shouldn't even try it and just display a splash instead
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20:29:00amiconnI think it's related to the code that distinguishes an usb charger from real usb
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20:29:43amiconnBefore that, the reboot worked reliable, and firewire plugin (which uses the same code for the reboot) always reboots properly, both on PP5002 and on PP502x targets which support firewire
20:31:46bertrikhmm sounds like a bug worth fixing before 3.0 :)
20:33:43amiconnThe usb detection code seems to do its job (as it wouldn't go into the usb screen when it only detects a charger), but it looks like it might overwrite something (stack overflow? out of bounds access somewhere?)
20:34:28gevaertsI doubt it, as it's exactly the same code for rockbox usb, and that never seems to have problems at that point
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20:39:32UbuntuxerHi
20:40:19mamoulhi
20:40:26UbuntuxerI would like to know wheter Doom2 Freedome is better than doom1 shareware
20:40:34mamoulwould you like a cookie
20:40:41rasherWhat kind of encoding is mix12.bdf? ISO10646-1?
20:40:57rasherI should probably just assume that, and see if the results make sense
20:41:00LambdaCalculus37Ubuntuxer: That's not the kind of question to ask here.
20:41:18Ubuntuxerok
20:41:21Ubuntuxersorry
20:42:53amiconnrasher: Btw, rocbox_default is actually ISO8859-1, even though CHARSET_REGISTRY and CHARSET_ENCODING say something else
20:43:34*rasher makes a note of that
20:43:40bertrikamiconn, so probably not a detection issue, but do you think the reboot procedure is unreliable, or is it possibly never properly called?
20:43:46amiconnOn a related matter: do you think we should update our copy of unifont to the latest official unitfont? That font is continuously bein gimproved
20:44:33rasherI don't see any reason not to. It should be a trivial update with only good effects
20:44:41bertrikI think there is a patch for unifont on the tracker, but IIRC somehow the new version is much bigger than the current version
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20:47:53Lloreanbertrik: Working USB reboot is one thing on my wishlist for 3.0. I'm really hoping someone comes up with a way to make it reliable for the release version
20:49:40ZambeziI rsync albums to /mnt/ipod but some albums is added as an album and some without and just the files. How come?
20:50:10LloreanZambezi: What do you mean by "as an album"
20:50:18Lloreanrsync will just be copying files and folders.
20:51:50gevaertsIs the PP reboot issue still deterministic within one build? i.e. if it reboots once, it will always reboot?
20:52:24ZambeziLlorean: I added like Blalbla-My.album. And in /media/ipod there's only 01-blabla.myalbum and upto like 10.
20:52:30gevaertsIf so, one (pretty dirty) way of getting a "good" 3.0 in that regard is just try until we have one that works, and then don't touch it anymore
20:53:01*gevaerts thinks that Zambezi's latest sentence doesn't make this much clearer
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20:54:02pixelmagevaerts: I think it is but it differs from target to target, one version that always reboots on a c200 doesn't necessarily work on an Ipod (IIRC, but I only have one PP target to test with)
20:54:08LloreanZambezi: I have to agree with gevaerts, I still have no idea what you're talking about.
20:54:38LloreanIf you're talking about rsync not copying all your files, this really has very little to do with Rockbox, and everything to do with rsync, something you may wish to contact its maintainers about.
20:55:10pixelmagevaerts: just what I've been told
20:55:22Zambezigevaerts, Llorean: I added a folder with mp3-files to /media/ipod, but in /media/ipod (the mountpoint for iPod), there's just the mp3-files added, without it's folder.
20:55:37Zambeziits
20:55:45gevaertsZambezi: look at the rsync documentation again.
20:55:52LloreanZambezi: Sounds like something completely unrelated to Rockbox then...
20:56:27Zambezigevaerts, Llorean Good. I just used -rvP or something. I'll check again.
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21:05:50J-23Hi! Does Rockbox support USB communication and provide access to USB devices for plugins?
21:07:35gevaertsIt doesn't. For one thing rockbox doesn't do usb host (yet?), so nothing in rockbox can access other usb devices. For device-side communication, allowing plugins to implement additional device classes might be useful at some point, but we're certainly not there yet
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21:08:21J-23thanks
21:09:14J-23So what does code in firmware/usb.c, firmware/usb.h and firmware/usbstack/ do?
21:09:29gevaertsThat's all device side
21:09:41J-23ok...
21:10:06gevaertsCurrently there's mass storage and serial (although serial doesn't fully work)
21:10:48J-23so why Rockbox restarts to original firmware for USB storage on some devices?
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21:11:37gevaertsBecause the usb code isn't entirely done yet
21:12:10Lloreangevaerts: Speaking of that, besides disabling it for the e200/c200, USB would make a good candidate for the post-release feature merge wouldn't it?
21:12:13gevaertsSee http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortalPlayerUsb for details
21:12:39gevaertsLlorean: possibly, with maybe a debug menu item to disable it
21:13:53gevaertsLlorean: that's one of the patches I was thinking about. Others may be sansa charging (unless it's done really soon) or risky title case experiments
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21:15:09*amiconn wouldn't want to enable USB for the public without having it work at least in the majority of cases
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21:15:46Lloreanamiconn: That's the thing though, after 3.0 one could readily argue that "current builds" are development targets, not as intended for widespread public use. "testing" builds, as it were.
21:16:33Lloreangevaerts: I think USB, Sansa Charging, Multifont, and Viewport List all fall in the category of having a chance at being ready for widespread testing in the period after 3.0
21:16:54gevaertsAh yes, I missed those two
21:17:07amiconnThere's more stuff that can be done
21:17:24amiconnBut even with a proper relase, I think the current builds should stay mostly usable
21:17:33J-23Why there is no release labeled "current"?
21:17:48Lloreanamiconn: I'd say that USB is "mostly usable" in that you can always reboot if necessary.
21:17:49gevaertsJ-23: what would that mean?
21:18:01Lloreanamiconn: It's at least as "mostly usable" as Recording crashing when you leave the screen.
21:18:05J-23"There is no "current" release, get a current build instead."
21:18:23LloreanJ-23: Because the last release was 2.5, and that's only for the Archoses?
21:18:25amiconnhmmmmm
21:18:32gevaertsJ-23: long story. The important thing is that there should be one in a few weeks
21:18:50LloreanJ-23: We hope to have a current release again by mid-August.
21:18:52amiconnLlorean: Recording crashes?
21:18:59gevaertsLlorean: that soon?
21:19:00Lloreanamiconn: Well, not "crash". It prevents playback?
21:19:08Lloreangevaerts: September
21:19:09*Llorean cannot type
21:19:20amiconnAh that. This should be fixed before release, I'd say
21:19:23LloreanI don't make single-letter typos any more. I make single-word typos.
21:19:55Lloreanamiconn: I'd really like it to be, but it's another one of those things that I wouldn't hold back release for. I'd rather just hide any sign of recording functionality if it's not fixed, and push it out like that.
21:20:05amiconnI know what happens (bug in the repsective wolfson drivers), but I wanted to talk to jhMikeS about this.
21:20:38amiconnI'd like to know why the other wolfson driver where recording works (H10) does things so different
21:21:10Lloreanamiconn: Besides, once 3.0 is out, we can get away with turning on USB, seeing if we get any new or useful feedback, and if it turns out to be too problematic for the public, turning it off again.
21:21:34amiconnThe problem is that audiohw_disable_recording() simply disables the whole codec
21:21:40LloreanI think having a "release" build for people to fall back to gives us a lot more freedom with actually *trying* things instead of keeping them on the backburner forever.
21:21:52Lloreanamiconn: That would be bad...
21:22:02amiconnit *is* bad
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21:22:50amiconnIt should switch back to dac mode
21:23:51J-23How can I help with deprecated strings in language files? Are there any deprecated strings in Polish language file?
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21:29:50pixelmawhat do you want to do with deprecated strings?
21:30:23J-23one of minor bugs to fix before release is removing deprecated strings from lang files
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21:37:17pixelmathat needs to be done in english.lang first (probably all at once) and you can't do that before
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21:59:11kolegahey i have a question
21:59:38stripwaxkolega - feel free to ask it
21:59:41kolegaa long time ago i had installed rockbox on my ipod 5.gen
21:59:49kolegawith an rockbox installer
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22:00:14kolegabut now i'd find the rockbox installer
22:00:45gevaertsYou want the thing called Rockbox Utility or rbutil
22:01:03*bluebrother doesn't see a problem here
22:01:16*stripwax isn't sure he got the question part yet
22:01:31kolegai dont now the name of the "tool" but now i cant find the tool on the rockbox page
22:01:59swimmers/tool/utility/ and you found what you want ;-)
22:02:26gevaertsIt should be linked from the manual
22:02:34*gevaerts checks. Indeed it is
22:02:44*bluebrother is rather sure that mentioned tool wasn't anything official
22:03:54kolegahey thank you i've found it!
22:03:57kolegahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility ;-)
22:04:16bluebrotherwe know about its location ...
22:04:33bluebrotheras this is the official installer
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22:41:49Casainhobluebrother: hello :-) −− did you get my private msg?
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22:49:13amiconnrasher: Somewhat related to the font stats - am I right in thinking that bdf doesn't allow to go beyond U+FFFF?
22:50:16rasheramiconn: I don't actually know
22:51:02amiconnWell, the specs don't mention it explicitly. They just say ENCODING <integer>
22:51:20amiconnBut e.g. gbdfed is limited to 16 bit encodings
22:51:33rasherInteresting
22:52:44amiconnhttp://www.adobe.com/devnet/font/pdfs/5005.BDF_Spec.pdf
22:54:29gevaertsIt's unlikely to hurt us anytime soon though
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22:54:36amiconnAha: http://osdir.com/ml/fonts.freetype.user/2007-12/msg00013.html
22:57:04rasherYeah, the SMP is pretty uninteresting
22:57:36rasherUnless someone plans a translation to ancient greek or something
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23:00:20pixelmalinuxstb: I just noticed a small problem with %xd while updating my old WPSs - I had one %xdg immediately followed by a word. Now the parser took the first letter of the word as definition of a bitmap strip part (though that image wasn't declared as a bitmap strip one, of course). Guess this is usually no problem though...
23:01:37linuxstbpixelma: Hmm...
23:01:44pixelmaI mean, it won't happen to often that someone wrote wps code like this
23:01:48pixelma*too
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23:03:16pixelmanot sure if it's worth it to prevent this
23:04:58bluebrotherCasainho: just replied to your PM on the forums
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23:05:48Casainhookok - I will read :-)
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23:12:00linuxstbpixelma: I can't think of an easy solution... I wouldn't have expected people to put images and text on the same page - is that needed?
23:12:38Lloreanlinuxstb: Add a line to the CustomWPS page telling people not to do it?
23:13:06rasheramiconn: would it make sense for convbdf to ignore characters for ISO10646-1 (unicode) fonts which fall in unused areas?
23:14:07amiconnYou mean the latest unifont has the same glyph defined verbatim for those?
23:14:13rasherIt seems so, yes
23:14:18amiconnurgh
23:14:20pixelmalinuxstb: as I said, I don't think that'll happen too often and there are ways around it by the code writer (and I can't remember anyone complaining about that yet so far). It's probably not worth it to take care of all possibilities.
23:14:29pixelmait was just a bit surprising
23:14:30rasherMaybe it would be nicer to write a tool that strips these from bdf files
23:14:44rasherI wonder what possessed them to do this though
23:15:02amiconnyeah
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23:15:17amiconnAnd btw, I wonder why they've set the defaultchar to 32 (space)
23:15:38rasherThat seems like a weird decision as well
23:15:49amiconnSeveral fonts are doing this though
23:16:24amiconnThe best choice would be U+FFFD iiuc, but due to our current .fnt format this wouldn't be wise for most fonts
23:16:53*amiconn chose <nul> in rockfont because of this
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23:18:21rasherYeah, FFFD seems like The Right Thing
23:18:32rasherOf course, that'd make all (binary) fonts balloon in size
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23:19:16amiconnYes, unless my idea of a glyph table gets implemented
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23:20:07rasherIndeed.
23:20:28*amiconn thinks that filler glyph should be stripped, detecting it by its bitmap pattern
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23:21:32rasheramiconn: That seems too specific. Better to check if the character is in a defined space
23:22:01amiconnWell, some defined spaces also have holes
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23:22:23rasherSure?
23:22:30amiconnYes. Check e.g. http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0370.pdf
23:22:32gevaertsCouldn't you check against the existence of a name for the character?
23:23:09rasheramiconn: Ah right. I forgot all about this
23:23:47rasherI guess we're doomed
23:24:27rasherWell, apart from recognising the filler character
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23:31:24*rasher is on it
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23:43:41amiconnoh
23:43:47*amiconn is fiddling with perl too
23:43:54rasherGot something now
23:43:55gevaertscompeting implementations?
23:44:05rasherWho has the fewest lines!
23:45:18rasherhttp://pastebin.ca/1184677 This seems to work
23:45:49rasherUse as ./script.pl < input.bdf > output.bdf
23:46:04rasherAlthough there seems to be another filler char
23:46:32*amiconn didn't come that far yet, but tried a slightly different approach
23:46:43amiconnUsing an array for storing the char
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23:53:40amiconnSeems to work too. http://pastebin.ca/1184683
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23:55:42rasherThis removes both filler characters: http://pastebin.ca/1184686
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23:56:14rasherLet's see how the results compare
23:56:38*amiconn adds a counter
23:58:39rasheroh heh, we need to edit the CHARS field as well

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