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#rockbox log for 2008-08-27

00:00:26gevaertsKlrSpz: I would suggest going through the manual
00:00:43ghen./configure could set TAR=gtar if it exists and TAR=tar otherwise
00:01:13KlrSpzyeah, damn.. was just wanting some tunes real quick while i mow the yard :) ok i'll mess w/it later
00:01:29gevaertsYou need a bit more checking. gtar may be the usual BSD (or non-linux...) name for gnu tar, but it's by no means a reserved name
00:01:40gevaertsKlrSpz: just start playing a new file
00:02:03dionoeaghen: or you can rewrite buildzip.pl to call $ziptool once only (doesn't look too hard to do ... but it won't make the code better)
00:02:26ghenperhaps
00:03:41ghenyes, looks quite easy
00:03:50ghenI'll look into that and update the FS task
00:04:10gevaertsSo basically the problem is that some versions of BSD tar complain about -u if there is no valid tar file?
00:04:33 Quit bluebrother ("sleep now.")
00:04:38gevaertsIf so, what about something like "tmp=`mktemp -d`;cd $tmp;tar cf /tmp/empty.tar .;cd -;rmdir $tmp"
00:05:33gevaertsMaybe a bit hackish, but it doesn't depend on undefined behaviour and it's reasonably easy to understand
00:05:40gevaertsAnd it should work everywhere
00:06:28*amiconn thinks that making buildzip.pl only call the archiver once would be the best solution
00:06:53ghenyes, each tar -u call (even for empty additions) makes the tarfile a bit larger
00:06:57amiconnThen we could just use tar -cf, without needing to hack around. Calling once == less overhead as well
00:07:20ghenand could be portable to more archivers that don't support updating at all
00:07:40*gevaerts agrees
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00:08:04gheni'll try to patch buildzip.pl this weekend
00:08:12ghenunless someone else beats me to it :)
00:08:40amiconnIt will also help 7zip, for instance. While it can add files, the newly added files become a new solid group (it won't repack already present files to form a single solid group)
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00:08:58amiconnThis makes the archive a bit larger than it could be
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00:09:55gevaertsghen: don't worry. We will respect your claim for priority, and we won't duplicate your work ;)
00:10:31ghennot like it's a lot of work but ok ;)
00:10:44ghenI added a quick note to the FS task
00:11:42ZambeziI'm doing a benchmarking now of the standardbattery and then with my new when it arrives. Same settings, same song, locked and no backlight.
00:11:52ghen'night guys −−
00:11:55ZambeziWith battery_bench.
00:16:42swimmerhmm - I thought I read somewhere that rbutil now recognizes Ipod Video 5.5 Gen 80Gb ...
00:16:54swimmerapparently not in my case ;-)
00:17:28KlrSpzdude i'm gunna go jam... ttyl guys
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00:20:40amiconnFixing buildzip.pl to only call the archiver once seems quite simple. Only thing to take care about is the placement of the binary (in /.rockbox or in the root)
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00:21:26kronfluxhey, anyone know the status of porting rockbox to the ipod nano 2g?
00:22:02rasherkronflux: Check the New Ports forum.
00:23:02kronfluxI've checked that. posts kind of end in july. its now the end of august, so I was hoping maybe someone would know whether theres been progress beyond that. -really- want it on my 2g.
00:23:23gevaertsAll progress is reported in the forum
00:23:32kronfluxalrighty thanks
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00:25:38Strife89I'm trying to apply the Sansa charging patch to my copy of the source, but I'm a little unsure of what to do.
00:26:02Strife89I'm being asked what file to patch because of lack of information o lien 5
00:26:07Strife89*on line 5
00:26:21linuxstbStrife89: What command are you typing to apply the patch?
00:26:45Strife89 patch < /home/michael/Desktop/charge.patch
00:26:59linuxstbTry patch -p0 < /home...
00:26:59Strife89after cd-ing into "rockbox"
00:27:32Strife89Okay, that did the trick. Thank you. :)
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00:29:33linuxstbswimmer: Are you sure it's a 5.5 Gen, and not the "Classic"? And are you running rbutil as the Administrator/root user?
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00:33:06swimmerlinuxstb: it's definitely a 5.5 Gen since rockbox is running on it since nearly 1 year and I used rbutil to install it but you guys advised me back then to choose for video 5.5gen 30gb because some problems with the memory management
00:33:20swimmerlinuxstb: and I run rbutilqt as a user ...
00:33:58gevaertsswimmer: rbutil doesn't autodetect it
00:34:38gevaertsSo rbutil always installs a 30GB build, unless you tell it otherwise
00:35:33swimmergevaerts: and I thought that I read those days that it's capable to autodetect it nowadays ...
00:35:54Lloreanswimmer: Where did you read this?
00:35:55swimmersorry about the confusion - my brains barely exist anymore :-/
00:36:04LloreanIf something in our documentation says this, we should fix it.
00:36:38swimmernevermind guys - I'm sure it's a misunderstanding from my side :-{
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00:37:00LloreanWell, if you got that impression from somewhere on our site, we'd still like to clear it up...
00:39:13gevaertscd
00:39:25*gevaerts switches to the correct terminal now...
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00:45:16swimmerLlorean: I misread the Changelog on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility that it's now available to correctly detect 64MB ipods
00:45:27swimmerkind of wishful thinking ;-)
00:45:43swimmers/available/capable/
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00:47:10kronfluxanyone know if the ipod nano 2g disk can be upgraded? probably not, considering the lack of hackability, but hey, never hurts to ask..
00:47:30gevaertsit could hurt, you know...
00:47:43kronfluxoh?
00:47:46Lloreankronflux: This channel is about Rockbox, and we ask that questions here be on the topic of using or developing Rockbox.
00:48:13kronfluxyeah yeah, I know. but this is the only place I could think to ask. sorry to bother.
00:48:31kronfluxanyone recommend a better place to ask?
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00:48:53amiconnrasher: Here's my solution for the tar problem: http://pastebin.ca/1185757 Maybe you could have a look...
00:49:08swimmerapart from autodetection is it possible nowadays to use a 64MB firmware?
00:49:15Lloreanswimmer: Yes.
00:49:38LloreanAs long as your iPod actually has 64MB (some refurbished 60 or 80GB iPods have turned out to be a 32MB iPod with a larger drive in it)
00:49:56swimmercan I upgrade or do I have to install from scratch?
00:50:20amiconnI tested it both with an image-in-root target and an image-in.rockbox target, zip, fullzip, fontzip, and bzip2/gzip
00:50:34Lloreanswimmer: It's safe to upgrade.
00:50:52swimmerhmm - I remember that when I first installed rockbox with the 64MB bootloader I got error msgs regarding memory ...
00:51:25swimmerbut I guess I can switch easily between the profiles with rbutil nowadays
00:51:31amiconnThere's a bug in buildzip.pl, btw, untelated to the current problem: 'make fontzip' includes the database.ignore file, although it shouldn't (doesn't hurt either though)
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00:53:37Lloreanswimmer: There's not a 64MB bootloader.
00:54:21*swimmer sighs
00:54:29swimmerI'll never get it :-/
00:54:52swimmerso it's simply a matter of switching to the 80Gb model and install the latest rockbox?
00:54:58LloreanYes
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00:55:22*swimmer bows
00:55:34swimmerthank you very much for your patience!!!
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00:57:55swimmerhihi - and it crashes again with "Prefetch abort" msg :)
00:58:05swimmerback to 30Gb
00:58:34LloreanThis almost certainly means you actually only have 32MB of RAM
00:59:10swimmeryep
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01:05:29rasheramiconn: looks fine at a glance, and if you say you tested it, I trust that more than anything I could catch by reading it
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01:19:35Kopfgeldjaegerhow can i rebuild the database in rb?
01:21:05ChrononYou can get rid of all of the *.tcd files and then initialize it again.
01:21:26rasherGetting rid of the *.tcd files isn't needed when initialising
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01:25:58rasherIn fact, isn't "initialize" US spelling? (and "initialise" the spelling we should use?)
01:28:19pixelmathe topic came up once and after a while someone found a reference that -ize is correct in British English (nowadays). Must be in some ooold logs...
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01:29:23n1srasher: I asked that i here some time ago, i think the conclusion was that we are fine with -ize (iirc it is correct for both American and British)
01:31:01rasher(this is the only such occurance)
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01:35:27n1swikipedia agrees, -ize is correct for both, -ise only British and a bit more common but OED prefers -ize.
01:36:12*rasher is surprised by OED
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01:38:29oofusas a Britisher, I would absolutely say -ize was wrong, and I never see it used here.
01:38:34oofussorry to butt in
01:39:59n1ssince I am not a native speaker I am not going to argue but we have had this discussion before and came to the conclusion to not change anything
01:40:21*rasher suspects Americans were involved
01:40:32*Chronon suspects so too.
01:40:54n1srasher: I now remember that I thought about it in relation to the manual where a few more of the words ending in -i[sz]e turn up
01:41:06n1srasher: at least linuxstb and preglow had a say
01:41:14*n1s googles
01:42:04rashern1s: Well, preglow can't be trusted. (and neither can I)
01:42:23n1srasher, haha http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20071012#00:27:59 :P
01:42:49rasherAh..
01:43:41rasherAnd Equaliser?
01:46:58rasherAlso, what's the point of the Hebrew-* fonts? They have poor coverage of hebrew, and most our other fonts support hebrew (better!)
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01:49:51topherim considering installing rockbox on an ipod click wheel (ive done stuff like this before, ipod linux on a first gen nano a year or so ago). does rockbox implement mtp for the ipod and where on the site can i see if theipod click wheel + rockbox firmware is capable of vorbis and flac decoding ... and also, has anybody here used rockbox with songbird?
01:50:50tophernm about the file formats part of the question, the manual page on rockbox has this info per device (super great)
01:50:56Lloreantopher: Rockbox doesn't have MTP, it should be capable of FLAC for sure. Since I don't know what generation of iPod you refer to by "click wheel" I'm not sure about Vorbis.
01:51:17topherLlorean: i think i figured it out, im pretty sure the click wheel is the 4th gen, it's the black & white with a click wheel and the lock on the upper right
01:51:46topherLlorean: do you know if songbird and rockbox work well together? i know rockbox turns the device into a standard usb fs device, which is great, but i kinda like the ability to sync my libraries itunes style ironically enough
01:52:11Lloreantopher: Since it's a standard UMS device, that all depends on songbird's support for UMS players...
01:52:37topherdoes ums just mean usb mass storage, like a usb key?
01:52:42LloreanYes.
01:52:55tophergreat, thanks, ill check the songbird site for that info. i appreciate your help
01:53:39topherfyi for those wondering about the songbird question, there was a ums plugin but the latest version of songbird doesnt seem to support it (yet?)
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01:59:50ZambeziThe battery-test seems to go really well now. I browsing the menus frequently like I did in the beginning used alot more battery, but I'm not sure. I'm going to try that later.
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02:02:02LloreanBrowsing the menus will of course take more battery, since the light is on.
02:02:09LloreanThe light uses a huge amount of battery.
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02:05:09ZambeziLlorean: I had backlight on my phone on all the time until I got pissed the battery run out so quick so I turned it off and it improved alot. But I don't think I need backlight. Not on mine. I can read it anyway.
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02:25:06wpyhcould someone please help me delete an attachment on MeizuM6Port?
02:25:29wpyhit's called dfu_m3.tar.bz2
02:25:36wpyhwe don't need it anymore since it's obsolete
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03:16:12Soaplong day, pixelma (for logs I guess) - back now ;)
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03:19:15fiveofohI'm having trouble with several themes, some of which do conform to the new viewport standards - for example, the ipod clone one
03:19:33fiveofohI'm on a Sansa e200, and I've tried the simulator, and it works fine
03:20:10fiveofohI copied the .rockbox folder straight from my player to the sim directory, and the theme worked, but it doesn't on my player. Any ideas?
03:20:16fiveofohAnd by themes I mean specifically the WPS
03:20:22advcomp2019have you checked for the %pb
03:20:23fiveofohThe rest of it works fiine
03:20:24fiveofohYeah
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03:21:23fiveofohLike I said, it conforms to the new viewport standards, and works fine in the uisimulator
03:21:34Lloreanfiveofoh: What do you mean by "doesn't work" in regard to the player, and what SVN revision is on your player, and what SVN revision does the sim report?
03:21:53fiveofohEscapePod btw is the theme
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03:23:03fiveofohAnd I'm referring to the WPS - none of the WPS theming is applied
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03:24:05LloreanAnd the SVN revisions of each? The ones they actually report in the rockbox info.
03:24:08fiveofohI just get a text/basic progress bar-only track # Title/Artist/Album/Time left [something]/bitrate/progress bar/volume levels, black and white
03:24:10fiveofohYeah just a sec
03:24:52fiveofohumm player is r18342-080826
03:26:39LloreanAnd the sim?
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03:30:19fiveofohAnd sim shows unknown-080827
03:30:20fiveofohBut the sim has weird glitches in it, at least in the sim
03:30:22fiveofoherr the sim version
03:30:28fiveofohAnd for some reason the 26th isn't on http://download.rockbox.org/daily/source/
03:30:32fiveofohAugh seems my net disconnected, did I miss anything?
03:30:51fiveofohOoh I found a tar.bz2
03:31:23LloreanAre you compiling your own sim from tarball?
03:31:40fiveofohYeah
03:31:46LloreanWhy not use SVN/
03:31:47Llorean?
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03:31:53fiveofohThe sim is unknown-080827
03:32:03fiveofohMeh cause a tarball was easier :/
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03:32:08fiveofoh:P
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03:32:13LloreanSVN is much easier
03:32:19LloreanAnd also results in meaningful version numbers.
03:32:21fiveofohBut I can do svn easily enough
03:32:46fiveofohWell, easier for repeat use
03:32:55fiveofohBut anyhoo
03:33:06*fiveofoh goes off to find the svn address
03:33:25LloreanI don't see an escapepod theme for the sansa.
03:33:28LloreanWhere did you get it?
03:33:55*fiveofoh looks
03:34:30LloreanI see one for the Gigabeat F, and one for the iPod 5G
03:34:53fiveofohYeah someone ported it evidently
03:35:08fiveofohyeah it was on rockbox-themes.org
03:35:24LloreanEVERY theme on rockbox-themes.org has the bad progress bar tag
03:35:33LloreanThe site stopped updating before the change.
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03:36:08*fiveofoh double-checks
03:36:39Llorean%pb is still the name of the tag, but the syntax (what numbers to use) has changed, and %P isn't used at all any more
03:36:44fiveofohHmm okay looks like it :/
03:37:03fiveofohYeah I looked at that
03:37:14_empI'm working on getting ipodpatcher to work for openBSD, and I have run into a few problems, but I have a few fixes and need help on a few more. ipodio-posix.c needs the equivalent calls found in the disklabel utility, so it's sys/disklabel.h and a different ioctl call. I can patch and add a geometry function. fat32format.c creates functions all ready declared in sys/types.h and found in byteorder(3). I'm not sure how to handle this one t
03:37:14_empo create a patch.
03:37:17fiveofohOut of curiosity, why would it work in the sim?
03:37:26LloreanBecause you compiled the sim from old sources, perhaps?
03:38:23fiveofohHmm yeah looks like it
03:38:56fiveofohThe rogue 080827 7z decieved me
03:39:07fiveofohNever should have trusted something claiming to be from the future
03:39:18LloreanIt's the 27th where the server's located.
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03:39:45LloreanHas been for a couple hours, even.
03:40:17fiveofohHa I forgot about Europe :P
03:40:53*fiveofoh is checking out SVN right now
03:44:10_empany suggestions on the fat32format.c redeclarations?
03:44:56Llorean_emp: The vast majority of devs are asleep at this time.
03:45:31_empLlorean, sorry; I'm actually awake now, so I'll write up the geometry stuff, and hope to hear back later on the fat32format.c stuff later.
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03:45:35LloreanYou're generally better off posting to the mailing list with something like this.
03:45:42_empthanks
03:45:54_empshould I post patches as well?
03:46:02LloreanPatches go in the patch tracker.
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03:46:14_empcan anybody submit them there?
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03:47:10LloreanYes.
03:47:15_empthanks
03:48:35fiveofohHmm so themes don't resize album art? :/
03:48:48LloreanNo, they don't.
03:48:56fiveofohHmm that's awkward
03:49:09LloreanYour PC is a lot faster and has a lot more resources than your player.
03:49:18fiveofohHaha yes, this is true
03:49:34fiveofohBut resizing all your album arts when you change themes is a pain
03:49:38LloreanIt's not too hard to do a bulk high-quality resize of the files. Many people need to convert them to BMP from JPG anyway
03:50:11fiveofohYeah I was contemplating writing a script just to get them there initially, with this I think I will for sure
03:50:16fiveofohUnless there are any lying around
03:51:01LloreanI'm sure there are, but I don't use album art anyway so I wouldn't know of them. No "official" ones anyway.
03:51:07fiveofohYeah
03:51:21LloreanIt's likely that one day the WPS will handle resizing for you, though it'll probably be quite low quality.
03:51:21fiveofohAre you up late, or just not in Europe?
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03:52:07LloreanI'm in the US.
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04:11:34wpyhdoes anyone have an M6SL here?
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04:23:04_empfinally, got ipodpatcher to successfully build
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05:15:58ELSockhowdy again all
05:16:15ELSockgevaerts thx again ipod is working groovy like now
05:16:22ELSockrockbox in full effect
05:16:59ELSockanyone in here?
05:19:22wpyhI'm here
05:20:27ELSockhi
05:20:37ELSockanyone here that has iphone experience?
05:20:52ELSocki'm stuck and figured i'd ask here cause i've gotten help here in the past
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05:24:09ELSockcool.. thx anyway
05:24:11advcomp2019ELSock, can you read the topic
05:24:42ELSockwell i can now that i realize its the green print
05:24:44ELSockthx for that
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05:44:38alleledoes anyone know what the max value of an int is for rockbox? sansa e200 if it matters
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05:46:11allelenevermind, I used one of those fancy search engines :D
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05:59:31Guest99345Hi, I'm Eric Pierce. I just registered on the Wiki and graciously request write access. I've created a new theme for the Sansa c200/c250 devices. Here's a screenshot: http://i37.tinypic.com/2yp1287.jpg
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06:03:29dandersonGuest99345: hi there. I'm afraid I can't help with th wiki access, but welcome in any case :)
06:03:51dandersonit's a little quiet right now, you may have to sit tight until a dev gets to a keyboard
06:04:40Guest99345no prob.
06:17:54ZambeziGuest99345: Where you from? I just asking cause a couple of the dev is from Europe and it's 05.15 in London.
06:19:08Guest99345I'm -6 hours GMT.
06:19:30Guest99345that's fine. I can always check back at another time.
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07:53:57scorche|shdanderson: if you have write access to the wiki, you can give them edit rights ;)
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08:00:48amiconnLlorean: Why would the generation of the ipod matter wrt vorbis support in rockbox?
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08:01:14Lloreanamiconn: Only insofar as I was going to warn him it may not perform as well on PP5002 as it does on PP5020+
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08:03:02amiconnWell, that applies to all codecs
08:03:42_empso far, I'm having pretty good luck running ogg on my iPod nano 1st gen, not sure what quality level I can play up to, though.
08:03:55LloreanWell, he was only asking about FLAC and Vorbis, and I assumed FLAC is probably safe while Vorbis is likely to perform poorer at high bitrates on PP5002.
08:04:27Llorean_emp: The Nano is actually probably one of the better performing iPods.
08:04:57Bagderr_emp: I don't know if anyone told you, but linuxstb is probably a suitable ipodcatcher guy to talk to
08:05:05Bagderripodpatcher even
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08:06:02_empBagderr, I spoke with him yesterday for a little bit, but I was really tired. I got the fullzip to build, but there is a lot of worked needed to get ipodpatcher to work with BSD. I started some of it tonight.
08:06:18amiconnLlorean: The difference is less than what you might think
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08:12:04amiconnQuick comparison: The latest tests for PP502x on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison shows 235..240% realtime for 192kbps vorbis. I get 176% realtime on PP5002 now for that vorbis bitrate
08:13:32*amiconn thinks the tests on that page are too fine grained to get a good overview.
08:16:02amiconnAnd they're not covering a number of formats/codecs: mp2, ac3, speex, alac, shorten, ape
08:17:11LloreanMany of those are simple because the test files don't exist.
08:17:33Lloreansimply
08:18:22LloreanI'm kinda confused though as to why they don't just use ffmpeg to generate most of the test files.
08:19:08LloreanI'm pretty sure ffmpeg covers every codec we support except speex for encoding.
08:19:17LloreanWell, and the non-streaming ones.
08:19:31*amiconn would suggest 3 tests for the lossy codecs: A typical reduced-quality bitrate (e.g. 128kbps for mp3), a typical transparent bitrate (e.g. 192kbps mp3; those 192kbps should be good for vorbis and wma too imho), and the maximum bitrate
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08:20:05amiconnYeah, I wouldn't include the non-streaming codecs in that test
08:20:09LloreanI'd also suggest a "low bitrate" of either 64 or 96. People encode a lot at those, and at least with some codecs it covers code paths the other ones don't.
08:20:36amiconnFor mp3??
08:20:47DogBoyI'm listening to these 96kHz ogg files on my sansa 200, is that really 96kHz or is it re sampling
08:21:09Lloreanamiconn: For WMA 96 isn't uncommon, and for MP3 64 isn't uncommon for speech-only or mono audio.
08:21:23LloreanDogBoy: Rockbox only outputs analog audio at 44.1khz
08:21:39DogBoyso it is resampling Llorean
08:21:42LloreanYes.
08:21:44LloreanAnd it's a bad resampler.
08:21:58DogBoyso better to do it on the computer?
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08:22:28amiconnHmm, forgot speech/mono content
08:22:33Lloreanamiconn: But I do agree with the concept that only a few specific bitrates for each codec.
08:22:42LloreanDogBoy: Much, much better, yes.
08:23:03LloreanMeans less work by the player *and* slightly higher audio quality.
08:23:20*amiconn wonders whether we should also test the minimum bitrate, but that's probably pointless
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08:24:20LloreanMaybe we should do "minimum", "common", "transparent", and "maximum"
08:25:11LloreanWith "common" being, for example, 96kbps for WMA, and 128kbps for MP3, and "transparent" being whatever we feel is probably just a little bit more bitrate than necessary.
08:25:12amiconnWell, for mp3 the minimum depends on the sampe frequency
08:25:26LloreanWe should assume 44.1khz sample frequency except with speex, I think.
08:25:44LloreanWith speex we should probably just use the default uwb, wb, and nb
08:25:54LloreanIf we even bother with it.
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08:28:53DogBoyLlorean, is that 16 bit as well as 44.1
08:29:11LloreanYes.
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09:13:44linuxstbJdGordon: Have you looked at saratoga's rockbox-as-app patch (FS #9222) ?
09:14:42*linuxstb notes the final evaluation deadline is next Monday (1st Sep)
09:16:45JdGordonI havent, and woke be up to doing much of anything till next week also
09:17:29GodEaterer - but if the deadline is Monday, you don't have any choice do you ?
09:17:41*linuxstb also notes there was no backup mentor :(
09:18:02linuxstbJdGordon: If you won't be able to do the final evaluation by Monday, tell us now.
09:18:18JdGordonim in bed with the flu.... gsoc isnt terribly high on my priorites
09:18:34JdGordonso yes, if someone could step up that would be good
09:19:02GodEateranyone know what the procedure is in this case ?
09:21:20linuxstbJdGordon: Sorry to hear that. We'll try and take care of it...
09:21:35GodEateranyone want me to ask in #gsoc ?
09:22:18linuxstbGodEater: Probably not yet - I would wait until Bagder/scorche read this and see what they say.
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09:47:47pixelmaLlorean: there could still be themes which are not broken on rockbox-themes.org - ones that either did not use a progress bar or the ones that use a simple %pb... e.g. 3 out of my 4 old Archos themes were not broken ;)
09:50:05pixelmaand it seems that Soap is always around when I'm not and vice versa
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10:41:40B4gderfor gsoc2009, I think we should do a few things different and among those things is a document for "best practices" or perhaps "what every student is expected to do during gsoc"
10:42:01B4gderwhich would include reporting and committing to a svn repo
10:42:13B4gdera branch presumably
10:42:45B4gderI will also propose that we go further than "backup mentors" and setup "project teams" for each accepted project
10:43:05B4gderto widen the amount of people who have "special interest" in that area
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10:47:31mcuelenaerescorche|sh: if I understand correctly, the theme site is hosted by you; right?
10:47:35mcuelenaerecurrent theme site*
10:48:10mcuelenaerecould you then send me a copy of rbutil.php, rbutil_themes.php & rbutilqt.php so I can commit it to SVN?
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10:53:09krz_hello all
10:53:31mcuelenaerehi krz
10:53:54krz_mcuelenaere: i removed most of the warnings. but
10:54:11krz_there are still some ir rockbox code
10:54:29krz_btw, where is str(..) declared?
10:54:32mcuelenaereyes, I've noticed that too
10:54:48mcuelenaereeh try grep'ing it (@ str(..))
10:55:27krz_i tried to find it in headers, but failed.. =)
10:56:03mcuelenaerekrz: http://google.com/codesearch?hl=nl&lr=&q=package%3Arockbox+STR&sbtn=Zoeken
10:56:53krz_mcuelenaere: i mean not macro but function
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11:01:09krz_like this str(p-VIRT_PTR)
11:01:31mcuelenaereyes, I'm looking at it too
11:01:39mcuelenaere(I'm not familiar with this part of the code)
11:02:00B4gderkrz_: lang.h
11:02:13B4gderin the build dir
11:02:33krz_this is the only warning left, except for invalid arg formats
11:02:53B4gderyour code uses str() ?
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11:03:02krz_B4gder: thanks, but wpseditor, doesn;t build lang.h
11:03:09B4gderexactly
11:03:14krz_rockbox code uses it
11:03:29B4gderyes, but you really can't as I see it
11:03:41krz_so, it seems, i shoyld declare it in dummy lang.h
11:03:57B4gdereither that, or move the prototype
11:04:05B4gdereh, macro definition
11:04:36krz_ok, thanks
11:07:46krz_what is the signature of str()?
11:08:54B4gdernone, it's not a function it is a macro
11:10:00krz_str or STR?
11:11:02B4gderyou can check these details about as easy as I can...
11:11:09B4gder#define str(x) language_strings[x]
11:11:48krz_ah, thanks. now i've understood
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11:17:58krz_btw, should i remove rockbox warnings?
11:18:44mcuelenaerekrz: AFAIK normally there shouldn't be any, so the source may need to be adjusted a bit to fit WPS editor
11:19:14B4gderyes, you should consider why you get warnings when rockbox itself is built without any
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11:21:15krz_B4gder: i've got almost all "int format, long int arg (arg 5)" in printf-like functions
11:22:19B4gderwell, are you using rockbox's printf implementation?
11:22:32B4gderspritnf
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11:23:03krz_i think, i'm using mingw implementation. but not sure
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11:24:17B4gderbut the warning may in fact be valid, when we build rockbox on 64bit sims etc
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11:26:52gevaertsB4gder: how far along is the plugin translation and voice work? Is it ready enough for the post-release period of madness?
11:27:02B4gderyes
11:27:17B4gderI say it is time to dive in the sea of translation mess
11:27:40B4gderI've asked midgey post an updated version so that we can get started for real to merge it
11:28:55gevaertsWe want the release out first anyway, so he has a few more weeks for that I guess
11:29:12B4gdertrue, but the second we do the branch...
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11:29:51B4gderI also think it may be wise to perhaps gather around getting this merged and hold off a few other things while we do that, since it'll have an effect all over
11:30:45B4gderand it'll make a great new feature for a 3.1! ;-P
11:30:55*gevaerts expects that B4gder is already patching svn so he can branch and merge this in one transaction
11:31:00LinusNi wish i had a h120 with the ATA: -32 error so I could debug it
11:31:12B4gderhaha
11:31:29B4gder(not to LinusN though)
11:31:34LinusNand i also wish i had a H300 with the same issue as petur has
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11:32:10LinusNand along with that, plenty of time........
11:32:25B4gderand more beer!
11:32:28GodEaterheh - I was going to say
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11:34:01amiconnLinusN: There's also the click issue on H300 with the latest official bl. Maybe that's related...
11:34:14LinusNprobably
11:34:20LinusNi wish i had that issue with my h300
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11:34:43mrkikoI used an svn bootloader months ago when I flashed the player - I don't have the click aniway
11:34:47amiconnI have that. Normal boot is okay, but bootloader usb causes a hdd epo click
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11:36:18mrkikoMy firmware binary date is 2007-11-09
11:36:43mrkikoamiconn: does it mean that the hdd clisk when the player boots after usb was inserted?
11:45:12n1sLinusN: could we release a new h300 bootloader even with that problem of petur's unfixed as it seems the svn code has a decent bunch of fixes and the problem is present in the official bootloader too iiuc?
11:45:22LinusNof course
11:50:15Slasherialso 7-pre4 could probably be released as the standard bootloader for H1xx, even though it may have some minor UI problems with remote
11:51:32mrkikoSo it is time to re-flash the iRiver? :)
11:52:14Slasheriindeed :) it has plenty of fixes compared to the version 6
11:54:18mrkikoOk - I will some day of these. Im allways scared when doing this kind of things- I wouldn't brick my player :D
11:56:23Slasherimrkiko: just make sure you follow instructions in IriverFlashing wiki and everything will go fine (currently you have to flash the BL inside rockbox, no patching with PC)
11:56:57mrkikoah
11:57:17mrkikoSlasheri: I was thinking to redo all with the standard flash image andthen re-flash from the fw
11:57:30mrkikoas I done the two times I needed to do it
11:58:18Slasherimrkiko: hmm, that shouldn't make any difference
11:58:39mrkikoIs this procedure an alternative or not anymore? I would prefer this since with rockbox I can't have complete screen reading as I can with the pc
11:58:57Slasheriif you want to redo everything, i would suggest updating to the newest bootloader first and then formatting the hard disk
11:59:23mrkikoSlasheri: why would I need to format the hdd? (sorry for my ignorance)
11:59:35Slasherimrkiko: if you want to redo _everything_
11:59:39Slasherithen that is the way to go
11:59:47Slasherinot the re-flashing
11:59:50*mrkiko remembers we're talking about an h340
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12:00:08Slasheriactually we are talking now about h1xx :)
12:00:16Slasherinothing of these applies to h340
12:00:31mrkikoah ok ... I wanted redo everything in the sense of - getting standard firmware; uncompressing, patching; ...
12:00:45mrkikoSlasheri: ah...
12:00:55mrkikoSlasheri: oops... :) sorry; braille device fault or misattention
12:01:17Slasheri:)
12:02:29XavierGrSlasher: 7-pre4 includes H110 support too right?
12:03:01XavierGrI don't remember if 7-pre4 was before or after the H110 flash support
12:03:53XavierGralso on H300 the latest bootloader not only includes some fixes but rtc support too
12:05:12SlasheriXavierGr: indeed it does
12:05:29mrkikoHow can I see if the bootloader supports RTC? My player doesn't lose his time.
12:05:31Slasheri7-pre4 is the first 7-series bootloader with support for H11X as well
12:06:26XavierGrmrkiko: currently it is not activated in the H300 builds even if you have the rtc-capable bootloader
12:08:07XavierGrmrkiko: I think you have to uncomment the line #define CONFIG_RTC RTC_PCF50606 in config-h300.h
12:08:57XavierGrehm sorry by rtc I meant alarm function of the rtc
12:09:10XavierGrrtc is enabled in current bootloader of course
12:10:21XavierGrso mrkiko: forget what I said the line I mentioned is already enabled
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12:14:01XavierGrmrkiko: if you have the right bootloader by adding #define HAVE_RTC_ALARM
12:14:28XavierGrin config-h300.h you get the wake up alarm function
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12:26:40_empjust got ipodpatcher to work on openBSD
12:27:16GodEater\o/
12:28:54_empmade the mistake of thinking I needed to open /dev/sd0j since that is usually what I open to write to my ipod; I had to mount /dev/sd0c, which is where my partition table is stored. Now, I need to get back to bed.
12:29:59GodEaterwhat a weird device naming scheme
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12:56:44ghen_emp: I'm interested to try your patches on netbsd :)
12:59:36Soappixelma, ping.
12:59:46pixelmapong
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13:00:06Soapyou rang?
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13:01:33pixelmaI was just confused a bit because the attachment on the original WPS gallery pages are still the old ones. On a second thought, I figured that this is probably related to the fact that no simple user can delete attachments.
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13:01:45Soapcorrect
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13:03:18pixelmaI just hope that it won't lead to more confusion when moving to the themes site. Although if the plan is still to start over new...
13:04:26SoapWell, I see where it cold cause confusion if an automated grab of all attachments is made, I guess a manual grab will need to be made. (I think this is what you were saying?)
13:05:00pixelmayeah
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14:13:24Soap<Llorean> We should assume 44.1khz sample frequency except with speex, I think.
14:15:07SoapLlorean, The issue is more and more people are using the -V presets for MP3 and V7 and V8 (~100 and ~85 Kbps VRB) are @ 32KHz, and V9 (~65 Kbps VBR) is at 24KHz.
14:16:24Soappixelma, on the "unbroken" themes on rockbox-themes.org... It is on my to do list to "rescue" such themes from the site and add them to the wiki.
14:17:42pixelmagood to know :) I just stated that because Llorean made it sound like everything has to be broken
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14:18:52SoapThe rescue mission is #3 on my list. #4 is repairing Wiki themes, and #5 is scraping rockbox-themes.org for (supposedly) licensed themes which are not on the wiki.
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14:35:43jac0b|whas anyone tested the S charging patch?
14:40:24*GodEater hasn't even noticed one
14:40:27GodEaterwhat's the FS# ?
14:40:37jac0b|whttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9312
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14:43:31SoapDo you really want your HDD spinning forever and forever, jac0b|w?
14:43:50GodEateris that what it does ?
14:44:05GodEateroh so it does
14:44:09*GodEater won't bother then
14:44:12SoapIt is my humble opinion that you probably want to leave this patch to those who can work on it at this point in time instead of playing with it.
14:44:59GodEateralthough I think it behooves us to try it - it may be a peculiarity of jhMikes beast
14:45:33SoapI strongly feel that the inconvenience of not being able to charge while in Rockbox is peanuts compared to the hardware wear-and-tear you will put on your Beast by slow-charging (overnight) with the HDD spinning non-stop.
14:46:07Soapsolid point, GodEater.
14:46:19*GodEater will be guinea pig
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14:46:57jac0b|wI thought he meant it spins when you are charging
14:47:13GodEaterthat's the way I read it too
14:47:26Soapis that not what I said?
14:47:52jac0b|wI thought you guys were saying it spin and not stop even when not charging
14:48:26SoapCharging will take forever - it will spin for a long time.
14:48:55jac0b|wyeah thats true
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14:49:14*GodEater is building with the patch right now
14:49:23GodEaterwill let you know if my disk spins too
14:49:25jac0b|wI try to conserve my battery by using the power cable when I can
14:49:32*gevaerts points to FS #8943
14:50:13GodEaterthanks gevaerts - I'll try that too ;)
14:50:35jac0b|wyeah gevaerts that sounds like a good idea
14:51:00*GodEater wonders if amiconn or LinusN can comment on it too
14:51:55GodEaterI've not hacked in ata.c for a good year or too
14:51:58GodEater*two
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14:52:39gevaertsGodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080428#10:58:29
14:55:29GodEaterI'm not sure I follow that
14:55:54GodEateris disabling the usb_wait_for_disconnect() call enough, or is he saying that's overkill, and we should just look for the explicit call he mentions ?
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14:56:38LinusNthe problem is that rockbox is designed to not do any ATA operations while in USB mode
14:57:36*gevaerts explicitely stated in that FS entry that he doesn't know :)
14:58:05GodEatergevaerts: yes, but pointing me to that bit of IRC log didn't help ;)
14:58:21*LinusN has a look
14:58:38gevaertsGodEater: I understand that as "let it spin, who cares?"
14:59:00LinusNwhich is quite silly
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15:00:35gevaertsBasically it's simple. If we use software usb, ata should just go on as usual. We still read and write, the only thing that changes is that the ata_write and ata_read calls come from a different place
15:00:50GodEatergevaerts: I do too - but amiconn usually isn't silly - so I suspect I'm being stupid ;)
15:01:17LinusNgevaerts: exactly
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15:01:43gevaertshm, except for the ata_idle_notify() issue he mentions...
15:02:24*gevaerts lets specialists handle this
15:03:00LinusNthat is basically it
15:03:04vitjamcuelenaere, nand worked and I get sound )
15:03:24mcuelenaerewow \o/
15:03:33mcuelenaereyou're progressing really fast
15:03:40vitja)
15:03:50vitjathere are still many problems
15:03:52amiconnOn sw usb targets we don't want to block ata, but we must block rockbox' filesystem
15:04:01LinusNamiconn: exactly
15:05:00mcuelenaerevitja: like?
15:05:15amiconnEither we could enforce this, or we rely on most threads are blocking properly on usb connect. The ata thread must not block, but instead change behaviour
15:05:28vitjamcuelenaere, sound doesn't allways work, seems that audiohw_postinit isn't allways called to activate codec
15:05:40LinusNamiconn: my thoughts exactly
15:06:41vitjamcuelenaere, also nand flash, keymaps and usb driver
15:07:04mcuelenaerekeymaps shouldn't be that hard
15:07:24vitjayeah
15:07:32mcuelenaerebut the audiohw_postinit looks strange
15:07:43mcuelenaereare you saying the core doesn't always call it?
15:07:49vitjaalso I don't know much about charging
15:07:51mcuelenaere(meaning Rockbox core)
15:07:53vitjaseems so
15:08:00mcuelenaereweird
15:11:41mcuelenaeredoes gcc performs stack overflow checking during Rockbox compilation?
15:12:28vitjahmm guess no
15:13:48mcuelenaere(wasn't related to the iAudio7 port :) )
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15:19:57jac0b|wgodeater: did you try the charging patch?
15:20:28GodEaterjac0b|w: no - there's little point until the ata issue is sorted out
15:20:39LinusNGodEater: give me a minute
15:21:11jac0b|wLinusN: you are creating a patch for that?
15:21:22LinusNyes
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15:23:16jac0b|wthanks LinusN
15:26:03*jac0b|w jumping for joy
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15:36:34LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8943
15:37:31LinusNit may be designed a little different to avoid the #ifdef clutter, but it is only a test
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15:43:47*gevaerts doesn't spot any obvious mistakes
15:46:11*GodEater applies and builds
15:53:18GodEaterdisk doesn't appear to be spinning madly
15:53:46LinusNphew
15:54:59gevaertsDoes it still work though?
15:54:59GodEaterbattery meter in the status bar appears to be filling up too
15:55:11GodEatergevaerts: well both partitions mounted ;)
15:55:26GodEaterand I can look at their contents - so I'm guessing so
15:55:35*gevaerts will apply this patch for his ipod video
15:55:52*GodEater probably will too
15:58:01LinusNmaybe i'd like to make the code more generic, to avoid some #ifdefs and make the code easier to follow
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15:58:56LinusNbut we could probably commit it as-is and save the rest for the famous rainy day
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15:59:20*GodEater would be in favour of that
15:59:45gevaertsIt's only useful for the gigabeat S and for people who use the rockbox usb stack, so nothing for the release. OTOH the ifdefs also make sure nothing changes for the normal builds...
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16:07:55krz_can anyone check new wpseditor patch on Linux?
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16:09:42jac0b|wI will be applying the 2 patches for my S today when I get home, thanks everyone for testing it
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16:40:10mcuelenaerehow do you make sure GCC doesn't optimize 'int (*kernel)(void);kernel = (void*)0;kernel();' away?
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16:41:11gevaertsmcuelenaere: what are you trying to achieve with that?
16:41:22mcuelenaeretrying to jump to 0x0
16:41:27Unhelpfuli'm not sure why it would? the variable is initialized, and its value is used when the pointer is dereferenced, isn't it?
16:41:34mcuelenaereasm volatile("ldr pc, =0\n"); doesn't work either
16:42:06mcuelenaereGCC pastes the routine that is in 0x0 instead of the instruction
16:42:06mrkikooff-topic?
16:42:10mcuelenaerenope
16:42:14mrkikook
16:42:16mcuelenaereand I've loaded other code to that location
16:42:52Unhelpfulmcuelenaere: that sounds like a nasty and broken optimization :/
16:43:30GodEatermcuelenaere: which version of gcc ?
16:43:30mcuelenaerewould moving the code away to a routine that has "noreturn" help?
16:43:40gevaertsDepends. According to the C spec that optimization is perfectly valid.
16:43:55mcuelenaereGodEater: arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3
16:44:28mcuelenaerecode: http://pastebin.com/d2c412e86
16:44:47mcuelenaereperhaps I should just re-implement it in ASM, like Creative did :/
16:45:15gevaertsUnhelpful: that code dereferences a null pointer. In C terms, that's always invalid. Unfortunately the C spec and hardware don't always agree
16:45:57mcuelenaereis dereferencing a null pointer also checked in asm?
16:46:15mcuelenaereI mean in asm() statements
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16:47:08Unhelpfulgevaerts: i see what you mean there, but 0x0 *is* a real address, and could have real data or code at it. assuming it to be an invalid pointer doesn't make sense when you're writing a kernel, bootloader, or other thing that runs close to the metal :/
16:47:57gevaertsmcuelenaere: maybe declare "kernel" as an extern, and have it set to 0 in another file ?
16:48:10mcuelenaere:) I'll try
16:48:16amiconnOptimising that call away is perfectly valid. The function is declared as returning an int, and the return value is unused
16:48:39amiconnIf you declare it void, it shouldn't be optimised away
16:48:54gevaertsamiconn: I don't think that that's the reason
16:49:30gevaertsC functions are allowed to have side effects, so ignoring a return value does not suddenly allow to remove the function call
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16:50:13mcuelenaereamiconn: doesn't work
16:50:31amiconnDid you check the actual asm?
16:50:59mcuelenaereyep, I constantly do
16:51:01mcuelenaerebut I fixed it
16:51:13mcuelenaereI defined it as static and so it ends up in the .bss section
16:51:23gevaertsmcuelenaere: is casting the 0 to (void*) really needed?
16:51:26mcuelenaerethen I don't assign a value to it, but *do* branch to it
16:52:13mcuelenaeregevaerts: doesn't seem to be, but gives the same (not working) result
16:53:02amiconnbss should be cleared, so it shouldn't matter if it's in bss (unless your crt0 code is wrong)
16:53:18*gevaerts doesn't like casting 0 to all sorts of pointer types. C defines that to work automatically, so it's just extra noise
16:53:24mcuelenaereyes exactly, that's why I mentioned that
16:53:38mcuelenaere@amiconn
16:53:40gevaertsamiconn: that's why the trick works
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16:54:04gevaertsYou want it in .bss, you you don't want the compiler to notice
16:54:36gevaertsmcuelenaere: maybe add some comments to explain all this
16:54:51mcuelenaerehmm perhaps I should
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17:21:02krz_can anyone check new wpseditor patch on Linux?
17:21:30gevaertskrz_: I can do that later today, once I get home
17:21:42krz_ok, sure
17:21:54GodEaterwhat is it a patch to ?
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17:22:21mcuelenaerekrz_: I can check it now
17:22:40krz_mcuelenaere: it could be great
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17:23:10mcuelenaerewhat needs to be checked? (apart from compiling etc)
17:24:11krz_mcuelenaere: if it crashes rockbox build, if it compiles and runs successfuly
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17:26:22mcuelenaerekrz_: works
17:26:51krz_mcuelenaere: and rockbox build too?
17:27:36mcuelenaerehaven't tried building Rockbox yet
17:27:42mcuelenaereI get these warnings: http://pastebin.com/d7398de6b
17:28:00mcuelenaerewhat target should I try building?
17:28:07mcuelenaereiriver H10_5gb ?
17:31:34*domonoky is happy to see krz working.. 3 days left for his deadline..
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17:32:33krz_mcuelenaere: ideally all targets should work
17:32:42krz_domonoky: :)
17:32:42mcuelenaerebuilding all targets takes some time..
17:32:58mcuelenaerebuilding one target even takes some time :)
17:33:13mcuelenaereok, the h10_5gb target got compiled successfully
17:33:29domonokykrz: did you contact people about the svn access to a branch/folder for you ? this could take some time, as you need to contact the right people, and they need time todo it.... and deadline is saturday midnight.. :-)
17:33:37mcuelenaerekrz_: you should try installing VMWare or Cygwin
17:33:39krz_i hope all targets should compile succsessfuly :)
17:34:41krz_domonoky: not yet
17:35:02krz_so, are there any of SVN admins? :)
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17:39:03krz_mcuelenaere: what version of gcc do you use? i've got only format warnings on 3.4.5
17:39:09mcuelenaere4.0.3
17:39:20mcuelenaereit's the one Rockbox installs as default
17:39:33mcuelenaereah no that's for arm-elf-gcc
17:39:50mcuelenaereI have 4.2.3
17:40:54krz_seems it is more strict
17:41:40funmandid someone test the mp3 encoder codec (for FM) recently ?
17:42:53mcuelenaerekrz_: yes, the later versions more strict
17:42:56mcuelenaereget more strict*
17:44:42krz_i'll try new version of mingw
17:45:20funmanI want to use it in vlc but I am doing it wrong, produces quite some noise
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17:53:24krz_it seems mingw provides version 3.4.5
17:54:30Kopfgeldjaegercan i make rockbox choose a completely random track (not one of album X or by the singer Y)?
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17:55:34domonokyKopfgeldjaeger: sure, make a playlist out of all Music, and play it with shuffle enabled...
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18:04:54Kopfgeldjaegerhm, okay. atm i'm not able to save to save the playlist. the manual says (section virtual keyboard): Play - Exits the virtual keyboard and saves any changes. but when i press "Play" (>||), the cursor just moves higher...
18:06:20krz_anyone know how to solve "pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'FUNC_NAME' differ in signedness"?
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18:10:11domonokythe signedness of the argument 1 doesnt fit what the function wants. for example the function wants a unsigned int, and you pass a signed int to it...
18:10:38D3foDoes rockboy work on the ipod mini g2?
18:11:25domonokyD3fo: yes rockbox works on both versions of the ipod mini (not nano) ...
18:11:42D3foNo, not rockbox, rockboy, the gb emulator.
18:11:48D3foI have rockbox on my mini.
18:12:15domonokyoh, hm.. dont know...
18:12:31dionoeabest way to know is to try i guess
18:13:55D3foWell as far as I know, its a viewer, but when I click on my gb games, it doesn't do anything
18:14:41domonokythe wiki and code says, that it doesnt work on grayscale ipods..
18:15:24D3foYeah, but I got this thing-http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5282?histring=rockboy
18:15:58D3foor rather- http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5282?histring=rockboy
18:16:20domonokyD3fo: so you have applied this patch, and recompiled rockbox ?
18:16:54D3foThat's the thing, I'm not sure how to do that = /
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18:17:49domonokytake a look at the wiki: WorkingWithPatches
18:18:58domonokyand perhaps SimpleGuideToCompiling, if you have not compiled rockbox before...
18:21:05krz_there are some warnings from rockbox code..
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18:27:41shyam_khi,i am fascinated to make speech recognition systems.. i am yet to read more about rockbox,(just started 10mins ago)..but is there any speech recognition system in rockbox?(i know its sad to make those tiny cute machines to work that hard!:)
18:28:07shyam_kjust some voice command control systems?
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18:28:28domonokyshyam_k: at moment there is no voice recognition in rockbox...
18:29:50domonokyand i dont know if this little machines have enogh power to do this... but it would be surely nice..
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18:30:09shyam_kok.. is that in plan? or is it good to think about such a energy greedy apps to be in the devices that rockbox focuses..
18:30:13shyam_kyeah
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18:31:04domonokythere a no plans for rockboxs, its all done by volunteers... so things get done, when people who can code, like to do it... :-)
18:31:24shyam_kjust asked about the TODO thats all..:)
18:32:36domonokyrockbox has a plugin system, so it wouldnt hurt to add voice recognition.. (if it is possible) ..
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18:34:32shyam_kbut first one silly question..i want to start hacking on these kind of devices,i would like to hear music for long time,read some pdfs when i am travelling,and being in low priority to see some videos but at HIGH priority have to use Free formats like OGG.. can i get some suggestions on which hardware would be good to do this with rockbox?
18:36:12domonokythe Free formats are no problem with rockbox... viewing pdf isnt possible in rockbox (but you could convert to jpg or txt)
18:36:56shyam_kpng?
18:36:58domonokyyou may want to take a look at the wiki, BuyersGuide
18:37:19shyam_kyeah of course i am reading.. and as always lazy:)
18:37:55domonokyi think there is no png viewer at moment... but the jpg viewer is good.
18:38:45shyam_kic thanks a lott domonoky ill go and read some more.. i badly need a rockbox system :)
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18:41:06krz_domonoky: so, there are some warnings only in rockbox code
18:41:20shyam_koh! cant get to open .7z in my gnewsense!
18:41:43shyam_karchive type not supported..
18:41:51*krz_ tried on 4.2.3
18:42:15domonokykrz_: give a paste-bin of this warnings... we should remove all warnings in rockbox code, or this page http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi gets yellow :-)
18:42:35domonokyshyam_k: try 7zip :-)
18:44:00shyam_ki thought its some proprietary format.. its having the same license as gnome afterall:)
18:44:09krz_domonoky: http://pastebin.com/m74213e61
18:44:32domonokyshyam_k: you want to play free formats ? take a look at what rockbox supports: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_Status :-)
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18:45:43domonokykrz_: is this when compiling wpseditor, or when compiling rockbox with your changes ?
18:46:03krz_this is when compiling proxy
18:46:23shyam_kyeah thts coolll. i am satisfied with vorbis and theora:)
18:46:32domonokyso no warnings when you compile rockbox with yor changes ?
18:48:14domonokythen this warnings are not so important... i think they come from a mixup of rockbox functions, and defines from your pc system...
18:49:06domonokyfor example the get_time function probably takes a time_t or alike, which is defined with a different signedness in rockbox, than in your pc...
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18:50:28domonokyo you can ignore them for now, and continue with other things todo . :-)
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18:52:36domonokyshyam_k: no theora in rockbox, video is mpeg1
18:54:08shyam_koh k
18:54:32*shyam_k downloaded the source and found out that rockbox is of bsd style license:)
18:54:53gevaertsWhere did you find that? It isn't
18:55:00domonokyno its GPL v2 or later..
18:55:10shyam_koh! sorry..
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18:55:49shyam_kthe faq didnt tell about the license..
18:56:12gevaertsThat's because it isn't that frequently asked ;)
18:56:19*domonoky reads the first line of this file
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18:57:10krz_domonoky: i have compiled only proxy on slackware
18:58:06shyam_kdomonoky: okok i got confused by that line that i skipped that:)
18:58:45domonokykrz_: so next is compiling the gui ? or are there problems ?
18:59:25krz_domonoky: only one - there are no qt yet
18:59:45krz_oops sorry
18:59:54krz_it exists
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19:00:15domonokythere is no qt package for slackware ? the other way is to compile qt yourself..
19:00:24domonokyit isnt hard, only takes much time.. :-)
19:02:56krz_i've never did this before.. so how to fix this error "multiple target patterns" after qmake?
19:05:08domonokyhm, sounds like broken Makefiles.. try deleting all Makefiles and rerun qmake
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19:08:31gevaertsWhat does it do?
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19:10:19GodEater__it won't boot into Rockbox anymore
19:10:27GodEater__the bootloader keeps saying "File not found"
19:10:38mcuelenaerekrz_: don't forget to do qmake-qt4, not qmake
19:11:12krz_mcuelenaere: thanks, cause qmake && make gives errors
19:11:44gevaertsGodEater__: when I had that, booting the OF once fixed it. Other people have reported success by just reinstalling rockbox
19:12:01GodEater__gevaerts: I'm trying the boot OF approach now
19:13:06krz_seems that i don't have qmake-qt4
19:13:30GodEater__I think my work PC did something bad
19:13:38GodEater__it hosed the FS on the S
19:13:55GodEater__but I think it did the same to the ipod Video too
19:15:51mcuelenaerecool! seems like the Rockbox bootloader now supports loading the Creative OF :)
19:16:11gevaerts\o/
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19:17:36mcuelenaerenow when quetzalcoatl figures out the CFS file system, we will have full dual boot capabilities :)
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19:28:26shotofaddsmcuelenaere: (from the logs earlier) did you try simply "mov pc,#0" in an asm block? that should work
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19:28:46mcuelenaereshotofadds: no I didn't, but currently it isn't needed anymore
19:29:12mcuelenaerecurrent code relies on the OF
19:29:25shotofaddsfair enough :-)
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19:31:37shotofaddsmcuelenaere: the installation process on the ZVM looks fun :-)
19:31:52BagderRegarding the gsoc mentor summit: "We will invite successful organizations ... to send *two* mentors to the summit."
19:31:56mcuelenaereit even gets better..
19:32:06mcuelenaere@shotofadds
19:32:37*shotofadds has a ZVM in a drawer somewhere, but no adapter as yet
19:32:58mcuelenaeredoes the battery still works?
19:33:03shotofadds(assuming it's still necessary to mount the drive in a PC)
19:33:08shotofaddsyeah, it's fine
19:33:10mcuelenaeresoon not anymore
19:33:22mcuelenaereah you mean a ZIF->3,5" adapter?
19:33:41mcuelenaeremine has a broken battery power connector :(
19:34:49GodEater__oh bugger - the beast bootloader doesn't build at the moment
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19:36:37gevaertsGodEater__: does that mean that you don't encourage people to ignore you?
19:37:35GodEater__erm
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19:52:20GodEater__this seems thoroughly broken now
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21:11:25livingdaylighthi...used the linux version of Rockbox Utility to automatically insall rockbox... but now i'm in xp can i use the windows version to uninstall rockbox?
21:12:05rasherlivingdaylight: Certainly
21:12:33domonokylivingdaylight: sure, should work fine.. but why do you want to uninstall ? :-)
21:12:42rasherlivingdaylight: Out of curiosity, why are you uninstalling?
21:12:59livingdaylighterrrr...
21:13:28livingdaylightthe volume control isn't numbered
21:13:59gevaertsYou need a theme where it is, then
21:14:01domonoky?
21:14:13livingdaylightbut i only like the default theme
21:14:23livingdaylightblack and orange... i really like that theme
21:14:36gevaertsIn that case, you can tweak ik :)
21:14:37domonokythen change the default theme to show a numeric volume..
21:14:38livingdaylightsome of the other themes the fonts are teeny weeny
21:15:06livingdaylighti checked settings but don't see how
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21:15:49livingdaylightalso i can't seem to pause or play tracks by selecting the 'Pause/Play' button
21:17:00livingdaylightso, i always need to select 'Right' to play
21:17:47gevaertsWhich player is this?
21:18:16livingdaylightX5
21:18:26livingdaylightX5L
21:20:23gevaertsSeems to work here
21:20:49livingdaylightthat's why i'm wondering whether there is a problem with the install
21:20:54*kugel managed to write a database parser in ruby :)
21:21:32livingdaylightso, i need to reinstall rockbox or go back to iAudio default firmware
21:21:48domonokyin ruby... why cant people write in c or c++, so i could reuse it in rbutil... :-/
21:22:14*gevaerts only has his x5l since a few days, so he can't advise much about it
21:22:44rasherkugel: There's one in perl on the tracker somewhere
21:22:50kugeldomonoky: a) it's just for fun b) using C, it'd be easier to use existing rockbox code, isn't it?
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21:23:31domonokyjup, and better to keep in sync with future database changes..
21:23:35kugelc) i don't see why it couldn't be used with rbutil
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21:25:13kugelrasher: You don't have the FS#, do you?
21:25:56kugelI can't find it
21:26:12livingdaylightwhere do i 'manually' remove the bootloader?
21:26:36domonokylivingdaylight: there is nothing wrong with your rockbox install, thats just how it works in rockbox. Take a look at the manual for the right keys...
21:27:17livingdaylightdomonoky: sure... but i need to have numerated volume and be able to pause/play using the pause/play key...
21:27:32domonokylivingdaylight: this depends on the target. take a look at the manual...
21:27:47livingdaylightcan you please tell me anyhow where the bootloader is that i need to remove manually?
21:28:22bluebrotherdomonoky: we already have a database in c ;-)
21:28:56domonokylivingdaylight: just take a look at the manual....
21:29:20livingdaylightdomonoky: i am, but not finding where it says where the bootloader is
21:29:22bluebrotherthe x5 needs to reflash the original bootloader
21:29:37domonokyyes, and thats in the manual...
21:29:38livingdaylightreflash?
21:29:39gevaertsdomonoky: I checked on my x5l. The play/pause button is supposed to play/pause, and here it does...
21:29:50oofuslivingdaylight: the play/pause key works fine here on my X5L
21:29:52bluebrotherlivingdaylight: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-200002.6
21:30:00bluebrothertook me like 5 seconds :P
21:30:02livingdaylightbluebrother: thx
21:30:13livingdaylighti know you guys are great with the manual
21:30:15bluebrotherso _please_ do a real check first
21:30:31bluebrotherwell, looking for "Uninstalling" shouldn't be hard ...
21:30:45livingdaylightoofus: same for gevaerts unfortunately it doesn't for mine... i don't know why...
21:30:53livingdaylightmaybe i should do a manual install next time
21:31:09bluebrotherand if you looked at the installation chapter before you should have noticed that there's a section "uninstallation"
21:31:42livingdaylightbluebrother: i did... but i couldn't find in that section where i find the bootloader that the automatic uninstaller told me i need to manually remove
21:31:43CtcpPing from gevaerts!n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts
21:31:56livingdaylightthat's why i came here after and asked
21:31:59*bluebrother sighs
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21:32:29gevaertslivingdaylight: I guess for the numerical volume either you do it yourself, using the WPS guide on the wiki (that I can't find right now, help, someone?), or ask in the WPS/theme forum
21:32:44bluebrotherhopefully I get around committing the new bootloader install stuff soon. Should make stuff like that "much" easier
21:32:53oofuslivingdaylight: numerated volume is settable in the general settings.......for any theme. Just done it !
21:33:01bluebrotherlivingdaylight: enable the status bar and set the volume to numerical
21:33:21*gevaerts also learns :)
21:33:44bluebrotherof course this will only work if your wps does show the status bar :)
21:34:01livingdaylightok, i'm going to reinstall and see...
21:34:30gevaertswhich cabbiev2 doesn't seem to do...
21:34:52bluebrothermost themes hide the statusbar ...
21:35:01bluebrotherrockbox_default does show it ;-)
21:35:25*gevaerts hugs rockbox_default
21:35:52bluebrotheryeah, it's kinda nice. Only the font is somewhat ugly
21:37:06*kugel votes for renameing rockbox_default to rockbox_hardcoded or something, as cabbie is the default theme/wps
21:37:49gevaertsrockbox_default isn't hardcoded
21:38:56*gevaerts votes for making rockbox_default default again, and then quickly hides
21:38:57kugelIt's the wps you get when a wps fails
21:39:00gevaertsNo
21:39:20gevaertsThere is a hardcoded builtin wps that looks a lot like rockbox_default though
21:39:35kugelwhat's the difference between those?
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21:39:54livingdaylightoofus: ok, i'm in general settings... where do you find the numerical value for volume?
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21:40:11kugellivingdaylight: manual also helps here
21:40:12livingdaylightbluebrother: where do i enable the status bar please?
21:40:22bluebrotherlivingdaylight: in the settings menu ...
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21:40:39gevaertslook-wise, no idea, but technically rockbox_default is a theme like any other. The hardcoded one isn't (exactly. Once it's parsed it's all the same in memory)
21:41:08bluebrotherbesides it's only the wps that's built-in
21:41:19bluebrotherthus it's not a theme :)
21:41:49gevaertsStrictly speaking there must also be a theme built-in. After all, all settings have default values :)
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21:41:55livingdaylighti'm in the settings menu and dont see anyting pointing to status bar
21:42:11kugelgevaerts: Sure, I didn't mean that rockbox jumps to the wps folder and applies rockbox_default.wps if a wps fails. I know that it's using the build-in version
21:42:33kugelgevaerts: But I see no difference between those, so it's basically the same
21:42:40oofuslivingdaylight: general->display->status/scrollbar
21:42:48kugellivingdaylight: read the manual, please
21:43:19kugellivingdaylight: or at least take 5 min of your time and click through everything in the settings
21:43:24gevaertskugel: that's the same as saying that the e200v1 and e200v2 are basically the same, since you don't see the difference immediately. Lots of people seem to be unhappy about the untruth of this though
21:43:38*bluebrother notes that the manual is searchable
21:44:00oofuslivingdaylight: but I have just noticed that even with the staus bar and volume display set to numeric (which shows up at the top of the screen) when you go back to WPS volume is not numeric at the bottom of the screen, sorry.
21:44:17gevaertsSo you need to change the wps anyway
21:44:32livingdaylighthow does one do that? :/
21:44:45bluebrotheroofus: please be careful with your statements. As I said before the wps can disable the statusbar, and quite some themes do this
21:44:50kugelgevaerts: No, I don't think it's the same. Anyway, I'm more interested in getting the confusion between rockbox_defaault and "the default theme" cabbiev2" away
21:45:02oofusbluebrother: ok, no problem
21:45:03bluebrotherthis doesn't prevent you from modifying the theme / making your own / using one that shows the status bar
21:45:11oofusbluebrother: I'll go and read the manual :)
21:45:37gevaertskugel: my solution also takes that confusion away :)
21:45:53kugelhehe
21:46:02bluebrotherkugel: well, there is a rather simple solution: the menus support jumping to the old (default?) value. Just do this for the themes menu
21:46:09livingdaylightgevaerts: play/pause is still not starting songs
21:46:23kugelWe could also ship a entirely broken wps and call this one rockbox_hardcoded.wps, and then remove rockbox_default altogether :)
21:47:04kugelbluebrother: i don't understand
21:47:18gevaertslivingdaylight: does that button do anything at all? For example, if you start the player and you are at the main menu, does the play button go to the WPS (to resume playing)?
21:47:29livingdaylightsorry, to ask again, but the manual doesn't tell me how to manually remove the bootloader
21:48:13gevaertslivingdaylight: 2.6.2
21:48:14livingdaylightgevaerts: selecting 'Right' is the only way i get to start songs... then i can't pause becuase 'play/pause' button doesn't do anything
21:48:18kugellivingdaylight: are you kidding?
21:48:22bluebrothercalling rockbox_default not rockbox_default would be wrong −− it *is* the default that gets used when the loaded theme is broken
21:48:32gevaertslivingdaylight: that doesn't exactly answer my question
21:48:37kugellivingdaylight: What's so hard to understand in "2.6.2 Manual Uninstallation"
21:48:48bluebrotherkugel: go to some setting you changed. Hold Select for a while ...
21:48:53livingdaylightgevaerts: sorry, i don't understand your question then?
21:49:50gevaertslivingdaylight: if you're playing a track, and halfway you shutdown the player (no stop, no pause, just shutdown), after restarting, while in the main menu, before you do anything else, does the play button have any effect?
21:50:07livingdaylightkugel: 2.6.2 doesn't tell me how to remove the bootloader unless it's in .rockbox? When i used rbutil to automatically remove rockbox it told me that i had to manually remove the bootloader but didn't tell me how; hence i ask
21:50:25livingdaylightgevaerts: i'll check
21:50:39kugellivingdaylight: I've just read it there. It does tell you how to uninstall
21:50:49bluebrotherlivingdaylight: "If you would like to go back to using the original Iaudio software, connect the player to your computer, download the original Iaudio X5 firmware from the Iaudio website, and copy it to the FIRMWARE directory on your Iaudio X5"
21:50:55bluebrotherwhat's so hard about this?
21:51:01*kugel doesn't know either
21:51:09livingdaylightbluebrother: that is not my question
21:51:19livingdaylighti have read that
21:51:21bluebrotherso *what* is the question?
21:51:47bluebrotherit tells you how to uninstall. This (unsurprisingly) includes removing the bootloader.
21:51:53livingdaylightWhen i used rbutil to automatically remove rockbox it told me that i had to manually remove the bootloader but didn't tell me how; hence i ask
21:52:04bluebrotherin case of the x5 reverting the firmware and removing the bootloader is the same thing
21:52:22livingdaylightso, why does the rbutil tell me that i need to manually remove thebootloader after its removed the firmware?
21:52:33bluebrotherwhich should be kinda clear from that section
21:52:43livingdaylightit isn't
21:53:04bluebrotherbecause it's not possible to remove the bootloader (which is what replaced the original firmware) using a pc tool
21:53:06kugellivingdaylight: You upload the original firmware to the X5, that will handle the bootloader uninstallation
21:53:12bluebrotherthis is possible on other players, like the Ipods.
21:53:19livingdaylightyou like to think everything is crystal clear from the manual .. .but everything isn't crystal clear and straightforward so stop giving me a hard time
21:53:23gevaertslivingdaylight: "firmware" as in Original Firmware resides in the flash. In rockbox, the bootloader resides in the flash, and the firmware resides in .rockbox
21:53:36livingdaylightthank you gevaerts
21:53:47*bluebrother gets annoyed
21:53:50kugellivingdaylight: Why didn't you just follow the manual? If there's a way to remove the bootloader, then it's described in the manual
21:54:06livingdaylightkugel: give me a break with your 'manual'
21:54:07livingdaylightthank you
21:54:18bluebrotherlivingdaylight: well, if you want everything to be "crystal clear" then please also write questions that are "crystal clear"
21:54:33*gevaerts proposes to stop talking about the firmware/manual/bootloader issue
21:54:51kugelor define crystal clear
21:55:02kugelto be it's crystal clear
21:55:06kugels/be/me
21:55:39livingdaylightbluebrother: i think i was... i use rbutil to 'automatically uninstall' as per the manual's instructions... rbutil then tells me that its removed the firmware but that i still need to remove the bootloader if i want... but doesnt' tell me how... nor does the manual section 2.6.2
21:55:50livingdaylightis that clear?
21:55:58bluebrotherlivingdaylight: feel free to post a patch
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21:57:23bluebrothernobody required you to use it. Take it or not. Just non-"crystal clear" whining doesn't help
21:57:28livingdaylightfeel free to be a bit nicer bluebrother | kugel
21:57:53bluebrotherfreel free to ignore the work it takes to build up such a tool / firmware
21:58:19*domonoky offers money back to livingdaylight :-)
21:58:40kugellivingdaylight: I don't see how "If you would like to go back to using the original Iaudio software[...]" under "Manual Uninstallation" isn't clear
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21:59:33livingdaylighti appreciate the labour of love that is Rockbox... and i've expressed and made my thanks clear.. but doing soemthing for free doesn't give license to be obtuse and down right hard on others who struggle with adopting rockbox
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22:00:37bluebrotherit does. You have been given the right to use Rockbox because of its license. This doesn't imply that developers or people doing support need to treat you like a paying customer.
22:00:52kugelhe's gone. And I highly doubt that he'll read the logs ;)
22:01:17*bluebrother just replaced "crystal clear" with "crystal beer". Much better.
22:01:52kugelwell, but then he's right! The manual isn't crystal beer to me :)
22:02:06bluebrotherno ... he never talked about beer.
22:02:17kugelsadly enough
22:02:25gevaertsFrom what I understood he was mainly confused by different wording between the manual and rbutil
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22:02:41*gevaerts also prefers beer.
22:02:51bluebrotherfrom what I experienced is that he was crystal unclear :o
22:03:18kugelHe possibly had too much crystal beer tonight too
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22:04:33kugelAnyway..I wonder what I do next. Re-implement the database browser, or writing the database files
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22:16:17rasherkugel: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7984
22:16:31rasher(voice.pl contains database-parsing)
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22:20:58kugelrasher: ah cool
22:21:12rasherkugel: I don't know. It's perl...
22:21:33kugelrasher: What's wrong with perl?
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22:22:55reacocardhow long does it usually take to get replies on rockbox-dev? I've been waiting for a full day now, which is fine but I'd really like to have the questions answered so I can continue my work. should I just keep waiting, or is there something else I should try?
22:23:35Bagderreacocard: it of course depends onthe topic
22:23:47Bagderfor tagcache details, I suspect not that many knows the answer
22:23:55reacocardaw :(
22:24:21*reacocard really wants to be able to continue his script which is difficult without that info
22:24:34Bagderreacocard: Slasheri is the db master, so getting hold of him is the best
22:24:57reacocardI sent him an email yesterday too. no reply yet
22:25:29Bagderreading source code if of course always an option too
22:25:36Bagders/if/is
22:25:44*gevaerts doesn't get his m6sl to reset the usb connection halfway the DFU procedure :(
22:26:00reacocardthat's what Ive been doing to this point. Problem is its C which Im not good at reading and there's a LOT of it
22:26:23amiconngevaerts: You need to get a PP involved in the process somehow. Then you'll get lots of usb resets
22:26:37reacocardso figuring out the subtler details that are now tripping me up is beyond my C knowledge
22:26:38amiconnIf still not sufficient, throw an usb hub into the mix...
22:26:38gevaertsamiconn: excellent plan!
22:26:40rasherreacocard: Regarding the first question, I believe all strings are the same length
22:27:17rasherEh, that doesn't answer your question at all, sorry.
22:27:27reacocardheh I was just abotu to say that :)
22:27:30ZambeziWhen I turn off backlight and reboot, then the backlight is on again. I changed the setting i settings -> LCD - backlight - off. It's firmware from the weekend and it's iPod Mini.
22:27:41kugelreacocard: After reading your email, I've also started to write such a script. Parsing is fine here. Unfortunately I can't answer your questions either
22:27:50amiconnZambezi: How do you reboot?
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22:28:03Zambeziamiconn: Menu+select
22:28:06reacocardkugel: in what language? mine is in pytho and ive gotten quite a ways
22:28:11reacocarder, python*
22:28:12gevaertsZambezi: that's hard reset...
22:28:14kugelreacocard: ruby
22:28:14amiconnYou need to do a clean shutdown in order to give rockbox a chance to save your new settings
22:28:18reacocardkugel: neat
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22:28:29rasherreacocard: each field contains a field length at the beginning
22:28:48reacocardrasher: yeah but its padded to that length with Xes to make adding a few chars efficient
22:29:03reacocardand to make sizes easier to do oon the less powerful targets
22:29:15Zambeziamiconn, gevaerts Oh. I always did the hard one. It worked with the database, but it's good to know cause if I mess up one time, the settings won't be saved.
22:29:28reacocardyet rockbox can tell somehow when one of them actually does end in X
22:29:35reacocardso the question is how does it knwo that?
22:29:51gevaertsreacocard: the field length?
22:30:02reacocardgevaerts: nope, that includes the Xes
22:30:17rasherreacocard: I really don't know - I was pretty sure the field length at the start of the field discarded padding.
22:30:18kugelreacocard: before the Xes, there's a 0x00 char, so that's probably the reason
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22:30:37rasherAh yes, the null byte!
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22:30:42rasherWhich explains this: $voice =~ s/\0.*//;
22:30:48reacocardkugel: ah.... yeah that'd be it. Ive just been examining the output with print so itd get lost
22:30:59reacocardthanks, thats one more thing down
22:31:00gevaertsNever do that on binary data...
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22:31:11reacocardgevaerts: well its strings in a binary file :)
22:31:12ZambeziNow it worked. Backlight is on when booting, but shuts off after loading is complete. Now I'll save some battery. :-)
22:31:35kugelreacocard: in ruby, it printed the null byte, so I've noticed it :)
22:32:08reacocardkugel: if i'd been using repr() to format it properly I would have too, its just me being lazy that foiled me
22:32:10*gevaerts suspects that the dfu checksum may be different on m6sl. He needs wpyh to help there...
22:32:43kugelreacocard: ah i guess I could answer 1 the questions :D
22:32:52reacocardkugel: indeed :)
22:33:11kugelI have no idea about mtime though
22:33:11reacocardso now I just have the big one about mtime and a few lesser ones I sent to Slasheri
22:33:20reacocardyeah the mtime is a doozy
22:33:33reacocardits almost but nto quite the fat32 mtime schema
22:33:46rasherreacocard: What are you planning to do with your script?
22:34:11reacocardrasher: allow the tagcache DB to be updated while connected to the computer, saving the device the trouble
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22:35:16rasherreacocard: That usually breaks down once you start adding exotic file formats to the mix :\ It's really sad that the db tool doesn't build
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22:35:32rasher(Using Rockbox' own code to read tags and write db files)
22:35:45reacocardrasher: yeah I saw that, and quickly discarded any idea of using it
22:36:00reacocardnot sure what you mean by exotic file formats though
22:36:17reacocardI dont think I see anything on rockbox's supported formats list I cant handle
22:36:20kugelreacocard: have you noticed this in tagcache.c? http://pastebin.com/m4447352c mtime seems to be used to see if the file has been modified
22:37:04reacocardright, so I need to be able to convert the UNIX mtime on the computer to the rockbox mtime format
22:37:33Bagderreacocard: mtime is clearly taken straight from the fatfs
22:37:37rasherreacocard: Sid, wma, nsf, adx
22:37:45Bagderand is the WRTDATE << 16 | WRTTIME
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22:38:31reacocardBagder: so, then why are there two myster bits that dont relate to anything and that dont appear in any fat documentation I can find?
22:38:41rasherreacocard: endian issues?
22:38:45reacocardrasher: sid and wma I can do for sure, idk abotu the other two
22:38:59reacocardand endianness you just have to check the model which is trivial
22:39:00Bagderreacocard: I just checked what the code does...
22:39:26reacocardBagder: yeah I found it already too
22:39:41reacocardif it was easy to find in the source via searching I think i'd have foudn it already
22:39:46rasherI meant your two "mystery bytes" could be endianness related
22:39:58Bagderor bugs
22:40:04reacocardhm, maybe, btu the rest checks out absolutely perfectly
22:40:04Bagderin either code
22:40:07amiconnAfaik the tagcache files are all using the same endianness regardless of target
22:40:14reacocardamiconn: thanks
22:40:20amiconnThat's why there are those ecread and ecwrite functions
22:40:20reacocardone less thing to worry about
22:40:24reacocardah
22:40:28Bagderamiconn: really?
22:40:39*reacocard though he'd seen a corrector in there
22:40:41BagderI remember Slasheri not doing so... but maybe things changed
22:41:00amiconnI'm not 100% sure though. Maybe it can even handle both cases, and there's a flag somewhere that says which endianness is in use
22:41:43reacocardamiconn: in any event, Its trivial to correct for endiannes if it is an issue, and testing once its more ready will reveal that
22:41:44amiconnstruct tagcache_stat: ... bool econ; /* Is endianess correction enabled? */
22:41:51Bagderah
22:42:01amiconn(from tagcache.h)
22:42:11reacocardok, I got to go now, should be bakc in half and hour to an hour
22:42:28reacocardthanks for all the help
22:43:12*gevaerts got the thing to reset
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22:43:24amiconnSee also tagcache.c:open_master_fd()
22:43:49Bagdermcuelenaere: very nice progress on the zen front!
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22:44:11mcuelenaereyes, since quetzalcoatl came things are going good :)
22:44:37amiconnSo either endianess can be used regardless of target, but the native endianess will give better performance of course
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22:44:50*gevaerts thinks this is a great day. Progress on the ZVM, the iaudio 7 _and_ the meizu!
22:45:21Bagderwhat's the news on the iaudio7?
22:45:38gevaertsHave a look at FS #9245
22:46:06rasherSounds to me like it's time to add a build
22:46:10Bagderwhoa
22:46:20rasherErr, maybe after 3.0
22:46:27*rasher almost got carried away there
22:46:50Bagderhaha, yeah freezes are so boring! ;-)
22:49:46Nico_Pmcuelenaere: there is no need to remove the ZVM's HD to install rockbox on it anymore?
22:50:00mcuelenaereNico_P: correct
22:50:12Nico_Pvery good news :)
22:50:15mcuelenaereindeed :)
22:50:23mcuelenaerebut FAT file system will be for later though
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22:50:27Nico_Phow did you acheive that?
22:50:34mcuelenaerewith the help of quetzalcoatl
22:50:39mcuelenaereare you following the forum thread?
22:50:46Nico_Pah, I'll go read it
22:51:01mcuelenaerewell, I can give the summary :) (perhaps rockbox-community stuff?)
22:51:28Nico_Pseems on topic to me
22:51:56mcuelenaerek short story: I finally managed to contact quetzalcoatl and he delivered some code to read the minifs file system
22:52:02mcuelenaere(this is one of the two Creative uses)
22:52:25mcuelenaerethe other one (CFS) hasn't been figured out yet (fully) by him, so we'll need to wait for that
22:52:49mcuelenaereand the CFS contains a file (VFSYS) which has the 'Removable Disk Drive'-contents
22:53:02mcuelenaereso when we can access that and read/write it, we can put a FAT file system on it
22:53:15mcuelenaere+ we can access it from the OF because it's it own feature
22:53:26mcuelenaere(because currently USB doesn't work on Rockbox)
22:54:26Nico_Pso did you add minifs support to the bootloader?
22:54:46mcuelenaeresome sort of
22:54:52mcuelenaerefile location + read support
22:55:19mcuelenaereand then I renamed the OF (jukebox2.jrm) to creativeos.jrm
22:55:35mcuelenaereso the bootloader is able to load it and to execute it
22:55:47mcuelenaere(currently the bootloader is jukebox2.jrm)
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22:56:39gevaerts\o/
22:56:48*gevaerts just flashed his M6SL from linux!
22:56:59Bagderyay
22:57:26mcuelenaeretoday is really a great day for new ports :)
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23:00:43rasherFS #8295 is interesting
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23:17:54saratogain my mp3 on cop patch, I set a variable that tells the cop thread to return and then call ci->thread_wait() on it
23:18:22saratogahowever this doesn't seem to work because subsequent tracks just lock forever, so I think the thread is still waiting
23:18:57saratogais there anything else I need to do besides having the thread return?
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23:20:37Nico_Psaratoga: remove_thread I guess
23:21:48Nico_Pthe RockboxKernel states that a thread must not return, but IIRC that has changed
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23:26:17Nico_Psaratoga: actually I think the thread you're waiting for should call thread_exit
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23:31:57saratogaNico_P: so instead of "return ; " do "ci->thread_exit()"?
23:32:28Nico_PI think so
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23:37:32*fml draws the committers' attention to FS #9307
23:40:28*gevaerts redirects that one to rasher
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23:41:30Casainhohello :-) −− I have one piece of crt0.S file:
23:41:33rasherfml: I'll get round to it
23:41:54Casainho* Branch to the application at the end of the bootstrap init *
23:41:56Casainho_go:
23:41:57Casainholdr r1, =MACH_TYPE
23:41:59Casainhomov lr, pc
23:42:00Casainhobx r0
23:42:03LloreanCasainho: Please, don't
23:42:10Casainhoanyone can say what MACH_TYPE can be?
23:42:12gevaertsCasainho: please use a pastebin for that sort of thing
23:42:14LloreanCasainho: The guidelines explicitly ask you not to post multiline pastes to the channel
23:42:32Casainhosorry - multilines, like code?
23:42:45Casainhookok - were short so I think I could done... sorry
23:42:45LloreanAnything that's more than one line.
23:43:41BagderCasainho: so why do you use MACH_TYPE if you don't even know what to put there?
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23:43:52mcuelenaereCasainho: this is just a pure guess, but shouldn't your code (according to that description) jump to main()?
23:44:16Bagder... like the other crt0.S files do
23:44:58mcuelenaereright
23:45:35bluebrothernah, starting with main() is for beginners *g*
23:46:34Casainhowell, here is http://pastebin.com/m53df3bb9 what is defined in an header file... #define MACH_TYPE 0x44B −− I don't have a clue...
23:47:05Bagderthat's not a rockbox header anyway
23:47:09saratogaNico_P: theres no thread_exit in the codec API, it seems the SPC codec just returns when done
23:48:01Nico_Psaratoga: it's in thread.c. maybe you need to add it to the codec api
23:49:28amiconnsaratoga: Do you have the cop flush patch added to your codec.c?
23:49:34CasainhoBagder: can you please give a look at this http://pastebin.com/d74e8ceb3 crt0.S file and tell If you think It can be used? −− looks to me that it calls main() in the end
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23:50:16saratogaamiconn: yes I added it, but it didn't change anything
23:50:22saratogaso i'm assuming my code is broken
23:50:26BagderCasainho: sure, you just need to provide a lot of symbols
23:50:41reacocard HAHA! I have conquered mtime at last! turns out is was the fat32 schema I was just doing something wrong. Once I saw how the properties menu was doing it it all fell into place. :D
23:50:58Casainhosymbols?? - I don't understand... what is missing?
23:51:01BagderCasainho: you can cut out that MACH_TYPE thing for example
23:51:36CasainhoMACH_TYPE would be a call to somewere?? what that word is used for in ARM?
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23:52:15Bagderldr is not a call
23:52:20bluebrotherMACH_TYPE is only a definition
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23:52:56*bluebrother guesses ldr is "load register"
23:53:29Bagdercorrect
23:53:53Casainhookok, anyway, removing that part and leave the call to main, I think that code is nice to use - but It also uses another C file that initializes in C some hardware as SDRAM controller and SDRAM....
23:54:00kugelreacocard: nice
23:54:08reacocardkugel: :D
23:54:22reacocardive been trying to make it work for days
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23:54:26kugelreacocard: So, it's basically the modification time of a file, isn't it?
23:54:31reacocardright
23:54:44Bagderreacocard: hah, then I was right about the bug! ;-P
23:54:52reacocardbut its in the fat32 encoding which is kinda a pain to work with
23:54:57kugelreacocard: grr, you already beat me to update the wiki
23:55:02reacocardBagder: yep, somehow I was doing it wrong
23:55:08reacocard:D
23:55:58kugelreacocard: what 2 mysterious bytes were you talking about?
23:56:27reacocardkugel: well in my parser that wasnt quite qorking there were two bits in the middle of the mtime I couldnt get to associate to anything
23:56:38reacocardit got the right mtime, btu those bits didnt do anything
23:56:46reacocardnto sure how that worked myself
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23:57:16kugelsolved now or not?
23:57:19reacocardyep
23:57:23kugelgood
23:57:30reacocardgives correct mtimes and converts back to them perfectly
23:57:49reacocardso now I think I may have all I need to actually start making the DB writer
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23:58:59kugelreacocard: let me ask you another question: In the tag file you mentioned the second 2 bytes of an entry are "Index of the item in the master index". This is always 65535 for me

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