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#rockbox log for 2008-08-29

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00:00:44kugelNico_P: ping
00:00:53Nico_Pyes?
00:01:12kugelI briefly looked at the battery bench
00:01:25 Join Seed [0] (n=ben@bzq-84-108-232-45.cablep.bezeqint.net)
00:01:49kugelbesides it started by 55% charge (the OF showed full when I disconnected), it dropped to 33% within 1h15
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00:03:53kugelNico_P: It doesn't look too well upto now
00:04:18Nico_Phmm, I'm not really surprised
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00:05:38kugelbut the audio is working
00:07:38oofushi all. I have a problem that I've been trying to track down so I can make a sensible report but am failing badly ! I have an X5L with a collection of all oggs and a few flacs on it. I can play any of these tracks but every now and then one refuses to play. Once I have had a refusal I cannot skip to any other track and play them either. Nothing will play. If I turn the unit off and back on again, the track that refused to play, plays fine.
00:08:04oofusanybody seen the same ? Any suggestions on how I might figure out what is happening
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00:10:35oofusI'm using latest version downloaded and tested today
00:11:10oofus18359 from the startup screen
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01:05:09MXIIAIs there a way to completely restore the iPod default Firmware to new before installing RockBox (or after)
01:05:45MXIIAI got a new iPod today because my old one broke but the new one has bad songs on it, and I don't want that, nor do I want to boot into Vista to fix it
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01:08:17pixelmaso you are on linux?
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01:09:45MXIIAYes, Ubuntu
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01:11:49pixelmahave you seen the IpodManualRestore page in the wiki? But I can not understand why you want to restore it just because of a few songs you don't like, and not simply remove them
01:12:19MXIIAIt is about 300 songs, and they remain on the list when I delete them
01:12:20domonokyto get rid of those songs, you could delete them instead of completly restoring it :-)
01:12:38MXIIAYea, it also has alot of setting that i dont want, I'll look at the wiki
01:13:51pixelmawhat Ipod is this?
01:14:21MXIIA4GB Nano first gen
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01:20:40MXIIAThanks for your help :)
01:22:04Unhelpfulstill need wiki write access, so i can edit in the format command that seems to work for beast, and also seems to solve the "file not found" bootloader error.
01:22:24Unhelpful...whenever a wiki admin is around and has time, of course
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01:24:47krazykitUnhelpful, i'll add you to the write list
01:25:07Unhelpfulkrazykit: didn't even know you could. thanks.
01:25:11krazykit(any user can add other users)
01:25:39krazykitAndrewMahone is your wikiname, right?
01:25:49Unhelpfulah, good to know, if somebody else asks. and it is.
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01:26:23Unhelpfulthink GigabeatSInfo, or GigabeatSInstallation?
01:27:11Unhelpfulthe file not found error has bitten me every single time i go through restore mode, so i'd *almost* be willing to suggest formatting as a routine part of installation
01:27:32krazykitall set. you should have write access
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01:30:20Unhelpfulthink as an install step is best, or just a section before the "Recovery Mode" one?
01:31:22toffe82_the recovery doesn't format ? it just erase ?
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01:33:54Unhelpfultoffe82_: the recovery *does* format, but very often, afterward, there is some sort of filesystem issue where a host PC will see the .rockbox directory contents, but the bootloader will not.
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01:34:36toffe82_ok
01:34:58Unhelpfulformatting it w/ mkdosfs seems to fix that, but you have to do it correctly, because if certain details of the format are not to the OF's liking, the OF bootloader will reformat the partition, and you might be back where you started.
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01:39:44MXIIAhttp://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ what is the difference between 17/1.3.1 (Nano Gen1) and 14/1.3.1?
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01:57:37Unhelpfulis there a reason the GigabeatSInstallation page doesn't refer to the hacked GBV nk.bin file available via the GigabeatSInfo page?
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02:08:10MXIIAhttp://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ what is the difference between 17/1.3.1 (Nano Gen1) and 14/1.3.1?
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02:12:18krazykitMXIIA, no need to repeat your question. chances are, the answer is "probably a couple bugfixes"
02:13:11MXIIAOk, so more recent is better, (ex 17)
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02:14:23krazykitpresumably.
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02:24:28LloreanMXIIA: That question is irrelevant here anyway, this channel is about Rockbox.
02:25:12MXIIAOh, sorry, :/
02:25:41pixelmait is linked from the IpodManualRestore though
02:26:17Lloreanpixelma: Yeah, but details like the differences in OF versions don't really matter here, just whether or not you can install Rockbox on top of them.
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03:06:48Naboofighter93Hello?
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03:09:40reacocardNaboofighter93: hi
03:10:00Naboofighter93?
03:10:19reacocardyou said hello
03:10:24reacocardI was responding
03:10:35Unhelpfulif you have a question, you should probably ask it. and wait, because whoever can answer might not at their keyboard.
03:10:40Naboofighter93I'm looking for some help with the rockbox instalation
03:11:04advcomp2019Naboofighter93, just ask
03:11:10_emphello
03:11:44Naboofighter93With the auto installer it says "could not open ipod" and when I try the manual install, the ipodpatcher reports "no ipod found"
03:12:09Naboofighter93I've read through the manual and followed directions
03:12:14_empNaboofighter93, what os are you using?
03:12:25Naboofighter93vista
03:12:27Naboofighter9332bit
03:12:28advcomp2019Naboofighter93, what ipod
03:12:35Naboofighter93nano, 1st gen
03:12:49Naboofighter93the autodetect on the utility finds it fine
03:13:20_empare you running it as admin?
03:13:34Naboofighter93Yes
03:14:45LloreanNaboofighter93: Not just running it from an admin account, are you specifically telling it to run the program in admin mode?
03:15:18Naboofighter93Yes, i tried both the utility and the patcher in admin mode
03:15:49LloreanIs the iPod working in the Apple firmware?
03:15:56Naboofighter93yes
03:16:12Naboofighter93I re-installed itunes and reset the ipod to make sure
03:16:14LloreanAnd you're absolutely sure it's a 1st gen Nano?
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03:16:37Naboofighter93yes
03:17:09LloreanWhat color is it?
03:17:53Naboofighter93Silver, w/ a screen. It doesn't play video. Its 4bg capacity, the serial number is 6u649sxmv8t
03:18:04LloreanSilver is not 1st Generation
03:18:09Llorean1st Generation only came in Black and White
03:18:24LloreanThe 2nd Generation Nano does not play video either, and it came in silver and a variety of colors.
03:18:35LloreanOnly the third generation of Nano plays video.
03:18:50Naboofighter93ok, let me try selecting second gen
03:19:07LloreanThere is no option for 2nd gene nano
03:19:10LloreanRockbox doesn't run on it.
03:19:22Naboofighter93oh
03:19:34Naboofighter93well damn
03:19:54_empLlorean, is the firmware on the 2G/3G ipod nano's packed like typical PE packers?
03:20:37Naboofighter93do you know of any other firmware i could put on it?
03:20:45LloreanNaboofighter93: nobody has cracked the encryption yet.
03:20:58Llorean_emp: I know absolutely nothing about it beyond that it's encrypted.
03:21:23Naboofighter93that sucks, thanks for your time anyway
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03:55:55_empis the bios up to date?
03:56:13_empnevermind
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05:09:22Ginger_heya
05:09:54Ginger_i will give love to anybody who knows whats wrong with my ipod
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05:10:32Ginger_ok, i will pay whoever fixes it, lol
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05:12:21reacocardGinger_: it might help to tell us what trouble youre having first
05:14:21DogBoysend money first
05:15:37Ginger_haha, nah
05:15:40Ginger_money after
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05:31:39Ginger_alright, my ipod which has rockbox on it, will not start up
05:31:54Ginger_once upon a time, i washed the thing, then pluged it in to charge and... and it worked fine
05:32:12Ginger_but when i plug it in now, on several different computers with different cords, the computers will not reconize it
05:32:18Ginger_and now it just wont start up
05:32:30DogBoysend it to apple?
05:32:50Ginger_not the original owner, and its prolly old enough to have passed its warrenty
05:33:02DogBoyso what
05:33:33DogBoymine was no longer in warranty but they just replaced it no charge
05:33:46LloreanGinger_: Have you tried plugging it into a PC, then turning hold off and on again, then holding Menu+Select for 30 seconds?
05:34:20LloreanAlso, you may want to leave it hooked up to a PC or charger for 24+ hours. Sometimes they get in a discharged state where leaving them plugged in for a very long time helps even if you can't see anything happening.
05:34:58Ginger_lemme try it
05:35:14Ginger_i left it plugged in for a looong time :-/
05:35:37Ginger_wtf?
05:35:40Ginger_its working!
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05:35:48Ginger_or not
05:35:58Ginger_it turns on, gets bright then turns off
05:36:10LloreanIs the cable plugged in?
05:36:14Ginger_yes
05:36:22Ginger_but each tiem it does that, it goes for a little longer
05:36:31LloreanI'd recommend leaving it plugged in for a day then.
05:36:32Ginger_ok... i dont konw what the ef happened, but now its working
05:36:36Ginger_yayy
05:36:40LloreanMake sure it gets a good full charge.
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05:45:48DogBoynice
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05:59:02danovotnyhello
05:59:10reacocardhi
05:59:41danovotnyjust a quick question... with the simulator, how do you get it to simulate the music screen? i told it to build the database, but then it just sits there
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06:00:29reacocardjust play a file like you normally would in rockbox on the device
06:00:56danovotny=\ under files, there is nothing
06:01:18reacocarddid you put music files into your archos folder?
06:01:48danovotny=( now i feel stupid, i put it in the .rockbox
06:01:49danovotnysorry
06:01:57reacocardnot a problem :)
06:02:35danovotnythanks much!
06:02:50reacocardyou're welcome
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08:28:12cfpHey
08:28:20cfpI was wondering
08:29:11cfpHas anybody checked out my patch #9325 ?
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11:41:59krz_hello all
11:43:02krz_gevaerts: hi :)
11:43:04LinusNwelcome
11:43:24krz_new patch of wpseditor is ready
11:44:54num1hello
11:47:02mcuelenaerekrz_: rbutil/wpseditor/libwps/src/include/lang.h & firmware/include/time.h seem to include TABs
11:47:49gevaertsmcuelenaere: those in firmware/include/time.h are in svn
11:48:00mcuelenaereyes true, but those should be resolved too :)
11:48:37krz_:)
11:48:56gevaertsmcuelenaere: probably, but _not_ in an unrelated patch
11:49:13mcuelenaereok, then I'll do these later
11:49:48krz_lang.h fixed. i'll create a new patch with a bit more changes
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11:50:57mcuelenaereoh yes and I saw just one # define; it's not that I'm against it but I read others complained..
11:51:07mcuelenaerestill just one*
11:51:27krz_what define?
11:51:52linuxstbSo are people happy for wpseditor to be under rbutil, even though it's not part of rbutil?
11:52:18mcuelenaeresrry, I was wrong: it's an #include: +# include "debug.h" in apps/gui/wps_parser.c
11:52:43B4gderlinuxstb: I can't say I see the logic in that, no...
11:52:44mcuelenaerelinuxstb: IMO, it should be under utils/
11:52:53mcuelenaereI always had it there when testing it
11:52:58B4gderyes utils/ seems fine
11:53:05linuxstbkrz_: Why do you need to make that change to font.c ? creat() doesn't work for you?
11:53:29B4gderlinuxstb: it lacks an argument for host
11:53:29krz_linuxstb: as far as i remember early talk with mentor - wpseditor could be integrated into rbutil
11:53:57linuxstbkrz_: Yes, _could be_ - so if it ever is, then the source could be moved. (we have "svn mv")
11:54:19B4gderand it could then be used as a lib or whaever, to allow a stand-alone wpseditor anyway
11:54:26*linuxstb isn't sure he likes the idea of a monolithic "do everything" rbutil
11:54:30krz_linuxstb: so, where could it be?
11:54:50krz_any proposes?
11:54:55linuxstbI would have said just put it at the same level as rbutil. Others have suggested inside utils/
11:55:45krz_may be a voting will help?
11:56:29krz_B4gder,gevaerts, mcuelenaere: what do you think?
11:56:29pixelmalet the RSB decide? ;)
11:56:46B4gderlet the committer decide!
11:56:46*gevaerts thinks that rbutil should be in util
11:56:55*B4gder agrees with gevaerts
11:56:57mcuelenaereabout loading other targets'es WPS'es in WPS editor (in logs): the way I suggested it to krz was to compile one "proxy" lib for every target and to get WPS editor to load them dynamically
11:57:36linuxstbpixelma: That would mean we would actually need to meet...
11:57:50krz_mcuelenaere: we discussed this way yesterday
11:58:03mcuelenaerekrz_: ah ok, I didn't know there was a conclusion
11:58:08mcuelenaereI saw the discussion though
11:58:17B4gderand utils should then be seen as "utils that are for host and not strictly used when building rockbox"
11:58:33B4gderas tools contain the host tools for building
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12:05:17krz_btw, i'd like to left ex. "gui" _folder_ as "gui", not wpseditor, because now there are wpseditor/wpseditor. and the name of an executable can be wpseditor
12:05:33gevaertsThat's fine
12:05:46krz_good :)
12:07:41linuxstbB4gder: We should probably move checkwps then... Although that could make it trickier to include it in a normal build.
12:08:11B4gderhm yes
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12:10:53linuxstbB4gder: Was your answer "it lacks an argument for host" in response to my question about the use of creat() in font.c?
12:11:04B4gderyes
12:11:11B4gdercreat() in rockbox takes one argument
12:11:11linuxstbWhat do you mean by "host"?
12:11:20linuxstbYou mean the mode?
12:11:23B4gderyes
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12:11:41linuxstbAh, so our creat() isn't POSIX?
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12:11:54B4gdernope, it's a deviation
12:12:17Unhelpfulcouldn't do anything useful w/ the mode on FAT, really, anyway...
12:12:39B4gderexactly, we decided years ago that we rather be slim that keeping a weird posix compliance for that
12:12:45B4gders/that/than
12:13:02linuxstbBut Rockbox doesn't just run on FAT.... There's the simulator, plus (hopefully...) rockbox-as-app at some point.
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12:13:59B4gderperhaps we need to rethink that one day, but so far we don't use other modes anyway
12:14:18B4gderso hardcoding a mode for the sim and the app will work for now
12:14:24linuxstbB4gder: Any ideas about saratoga's evaluation - if JdGordon can't do it?
12:15:19B4gderlinuxstb: I asked jd about it and he said he can do the evaluation, but that he wouldn't have time to check out the patch closely before then
12:15:47Unhelpfulweird, battery_bench seems not to be writing its file...
12:16:02linuxstbB4gder: Do you (and others) want to come to #rockbox-gsoc... ?
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12:45:38mcuelenaerekrz_: I don't know if this is wanted behaviour, but if you exce WPS editor
12:45:43mcuelenaerewoops
12:45:55krz_?
12:46:02mcuelenaerelemme first finish my sentence ;)
12:46:54mcuelenaereI don't know if this is wanted behaviour, but if you execute WPS editor, open a WPS and say change the volume (don't close the volume slide window); and close the main window, WPS editor isn't exited
12:47:07mcuelenaerebecause the volume slide window is still there
12:47:19mcuelenaerethis is also true for the track position window
12:47:59krz_mcuelenaere: hm, probably a bug
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12:54:46pixelmaI noticed two things more or less related to A-B repeat/repeat mode handling in the WPS: 1) it once was passible to use the %mm (repeat mode tag) unconditionally in the WPS which should return numbers from 0 to 4. This doesn't work currently and even worse, it made my sim crash. From a quick look at the code I think this isn't even prepared in the WPS parser
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12:57:18pixelma2) There is a AB_REPEAT_ENABLE define in the target config files (which can be set to 1 or 2, depending on whether there are enough buttons or not) but now it is possible to have AB repeat on all targets, it just differs in the controls - couldn't this define be made simpler?
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12:59:48pixelmaabout (1) - I think either the old behaviour should be restored (it is still described on the CustomWPS wiki page) - or a WPS which contains this should be rejected. Currently it just crashes without warning
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13:21:56pixelma%mm in a WPS doesn't crash on my Ondio but always shows "2048", no matter what repeat mode is set
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15:48:25kugelwhy performs equalizer so bad on e200?
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15:50:40gevaertsIn comparison to what?
15:52:33kugelgenerally bad. I get audio drop outs, no need to compare
15:53:51gevaertsWe only use one core right now, and one 80MHz arm is simply not enough for full five-channel equalizing
15:54:01gevaertss/channel/band/
15:54:14gevaertsHow many bands have you tweaked (i.e. not at 0)
15:55:07kugel5 i think
15:55:20gevaertsMaybe, if saratoga's multicore work is successful, in the future there will be more CPU available for DSP. Not sure if it will be enough though.
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15:55:34saratogakugel: try my mp3 on cop patch
15:55:55gevaertsOr try reducing the number of bands
15:56:08kugelIt's a long time ago when I changed something in the eq settings. When I noticed it's bad performing I turned it off. Now it got accidentally turned on
15:56:30kugelgevaerts: how?
15:56:38gevaertsSet some of them to 0
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15:56:49*gevaerts understands that that should be better
15:56:58kugelok
15:57:27gevaertsI only repeat what I've heard earlier, so please don't hit me if it doesn't make a difference ;)
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15:58:22kugelgevaerts: ah yea, with two possible to not run at 80MHz all the time
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15:58:55gevaertsI doubt if saratoga's patch will allow 5, but maybe you can get to 3
15:59:15kugelsaratoga: Is there any known issue except the one with test_codec?
15:59:34saratogait breaks mpegplayer, and probably building the sims and any other target without 2 cpus
15:59:51kugelalso, does the patch only work for mp3?
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16:00:03saratogabasically it needs a lot of ifdefs
16:00:07saratogayeah mp3 only
16:00:19saratogai'm not sure if it'll ever go into svn
16:00:20kugelhm most of my music isn't mp3
16:00:26saratogawhat do you use?
16:00:30LambdaCalculus37Mine neither.
16:00:52kugelsome mp3, some m4a, but mostly ogg
16:01:02gevaertsI understand the current patch is more a proof of concept anyway
16:01:02kugelogg is great imho
16:01:26LambdaCalculus37Similar to kugel... some MP3, a little M4A, some FLAC, but primarily Vorbis.
16:01:35saratogaogg is so fast
16:01:40saratogasurprising you get drop outs
16:01:49gevaertswith 5 bands?
16:02:02saratoga5 band must use 50 mhz then
16:02:30gevaertsHow hard would it be to just put DSP on the second core?
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16:03:13LambdaCalculus37The only codec that I know of that uses the second core is SPC (I could be wrong, though).
16:05:12kugelgevaerts: dsp on cop sounds nice. I also wonder if it'd be possible to do buffering on both cores
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16:12:16kugelsaratoga: is your mp3 on cop patch meant to always run on the second core?
16:15:13kugelI guess it'd be better to dynamically choose the core with the least load
16:16:06krz_gevaerts: can we make a review?
16:16:41kugelkrz_: Is it still only showing h10 screen size preview?
16:17:05krz_kugel: jup
16:17:27kugelkrz_: would you mind fixing that, and read the screen size from the wps?
16:18:02krz_kugel: actually i think it is impossible to read screen size from wps
16:18:06kugelshouldn't be a problem to read the size of the backdrop and apply it to the preview, would it?
16:18:54kugeland maybe promt the user in themes w/o backrop, or read it from a comment in the wps alternatively
16:18:57krz_god idea
16:19:00krz_*good
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16:20:03pixelmakugel: read the size of the backdrop? What if the WPS has no backdrop?
16:20:19kugelpixelma: Read what I wrote after
16:20:49kugelkrz_: I also can imagine a field for screen dimensions in the top left part of the editor
16:21:18pixelmaok, read on now. But there are WPS without backdrop even on colour targets - and text only WPSs could work on more than one screen size
16:22:11kugelpixelma: "and maybe promt the user in themes w/o backrop, or read it from a comment in the wps alternatively"
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16:24:35pixelmayes, that's what I meant with that I read on now, just wanted you to not forget the great variety of targets/screens... one interesting example could be the 160x128 sized displays - there are monochrome, greyscale and colour ones of that size ;)
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16:25:34pixelmaand also the fact that text based or simple WPSs could work in more than one size
16:26:46kugelshould be no problem with promting the user. Then ask not only for x and y, but also for depth
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16:28:21_empI'm having some problems building rbutilqt. My arch is amd64, and the build keeps breaking at rbspeex. Any suggestions before I start re-writing Makefiles?
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16:29:22kugel_emp: ask domonoky again, he just joined
16:30:51_empdomonoky, I'm having problems building rbutilqt on openbsd amd64. Here's my error: http://pastebin.com/d29554391
16:31:33domonoky_emp: try building just the rbspeex lib, go to tools/rbspeex and run make and see if it fails or not
16:32:21_empthat works fine
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16:33:40_emphave all ready been successful getting a fullzip built, and I patched ipodpatcher to work. This is just the next piece I'm working on.
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16:34:17kugel_emp: your make commands like weird. "qmake && make" in the rbutil folder should be ok
16:34:48domonokydo you need this options for gmake ? maybe something goes wrong there. normally i just call "qmake && make" in the rbutilqt dir..
16:35:07_empI have tried that to
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16:35:57_emphttp://pastebin.com/d32d9a43
16:35:59kugelwell, that always worked for me, though it's been a few month since my last rbutil building. But I've also compilied on 64bit
16:36:01saratogakugel: the patch just forces half of the mp3 decoder onto the second core
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16:36:21saratogaonce i get a chance i'm going to do more power measurements to see what the improvement is
16:36:32kugelsaratoga: and why not let it choose the core with the least load?
16:36:44saratogakugel: thats not really needed
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16:36:50saratogathe load on the second core is always zero now
16:37:22saratogaexcept maybe on some grayscale targets which use it for drawing I think
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16:37:31kugelsaratoga: Sure, but I can imagine that if we start continue putting things on the second core, that this could change.
16:37:43domonoky_emp: maybe the make in bsd has problems with the rbspeex command in rbutilqt.pro ?
16:37:51saratogai don't think dynamically changing it makes much sense, probably easier and safer to just pick what goes where
16:38:17UbuntuxerHi
16:38:20saratogaprobably everything on the first core except codecs, and for codec with multithreading, the second thread would go back onto the first core
16:38:25kugelwhy hardcoding it into the second core, it's not the ideal of threading imho
16:39:01domonoky_emp: to test if thats the problem, try callling: "make -C ../../tools/rbspeex librbspeex" in the rbutilqt folder
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16:39:20kugelwhat would be the disadvantages of dynamically choosing the core?
16:39:29Bagderdomonoky: that should probably use $(MAKE) and not 'make'
16:39:31kugelUbuntuxer: hi
16:39:33Bagderkugel: simplicity
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16:39:44Bagderdynamic core sounds awful to me
16:40:04XavierGrdomonoky: do you know why some strings in rbutil are duplicated?
16:40:04domonokyBagder: i just checked and its $(MAKE) :-)
16:40:08Bagderah
16:40:25domonokyXavierGr: you mean strings for translation ?
16:40:29XavierGryes
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16:41:10kugelwhat if there's a target in the future with more than 2 cores? or something like the upcoming intel atom (2 cores + smt). we would need to start the whole multithread from zero
16:41:14domonokythat because there are multiple times in the Code. and as you may sometimes translate it different, depending on where it is in the programm, you get all strings..
16:41:51_empdomonoky, http://pastebin.com/d424f839d
16:41:54domonokybut qlinguist gives you suggestions for translations, so it shouldnt be much of a problem ..
16:42:07XavierGrdomonoky: so it is intended that way in order to maybe change the context of one string if needed?
16:42:29domonokyjup, that how it is done in all Qt programms...
16:42:40XavierGrdomonoky: no that's not a problem I just asked in case it was not intended
16:42:45Ubuntuxershowstopr and I would like to present you our projekt, named Rockbox Center
16:42:49Bagderkugel: not at all
16:43:02Bagderkugel: we'd do it exactly like we do with iram
16:43:23showstoprwe'd like to ask if there's someone here who maintains the rbutil
16:43:24domonokyUbuntuxer: i just wonder why you dont contribute to rbutil, and invent the wheel again.. :-)
16:43:40*domonoky is one of the main rbutil devs.. :-)
16:43:43*Bagder runs away
16:43:59*LambdaCalculus37 jumps behind the sofa
16:44:38kugeldomonoky: support of custom builds mainly
16:45:05UbuntuxerWe would like to ask, wheter we could use some pieces of your code
16:45:20Ubuntuxerthe detection of the players
16:45:31_empbrb
16:45:40kugelwell, I don't like the idea of hardcoded multithreading. But if you say dynamically choosing the core it's too complex and not needed for now, I won't argue. I'm not an expert in multithreading
16:45:54kugelUbuntuxer: It's GPL, sure you can
16:45:56GodEaterUbuntuxer: provided you comply with the terms of the GPL, of course
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16:46:17LambdaCalculus37Can I ask exactly Rockbox Center is supposed to be?
16:46:26Ubuntuxerwe want ask despite of that
16:46:42domonokyUbuntuxer: jup its GPL, so you are free to copy anthing you want from rbutil...
16:47:12showstoprdomonoky: yes, but we thought it would be better if we ask
16:47:26domonokythis implies, that Rockbox center is also under GPL of course..
16:47:43showstoprdomonoky: thats correct
16:47:47Ubuntuxerbesides we would like introduce our project and want to know what do you think of it;-)
16:48:32showstoprwell, it's wriiten in python and later on it should use wxpython for gui
16:48:33kugelI hope you've prepared a colorful and fancy presentation
16:48:57Ubuntuxerhere is our project page http://rockboxcenter.berlios.de/
16:49:11showstoprit's just in the beginning
16:49:15LambdaCalculus37....
16:49:22LambdaCalculus37That's RBUtil all over again.
16:49:45domonokyhihi wxphython, an earlier version of rbutil was written in wx .-)
16:50:00UbuntuxerWe know the official tool Rockbox Utility, but we would like to program a new program, which is written in Python, because we are not so familiar with C. The decided advantage of Python is that we can use OOP, so we can realisize new functions easier and faster than Rockbox Utility. Rockbox Center doesn't just install Rockbox and the Rockbox Extras, it supports a data transfer to your player and convert your files into the rig
16:50:36UbuntuxerI write this in launchpad
16:50:39GodEaterRBUtil is C++
16:50:47GodEaterso it's OOP also
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16:52:03domonokyi just dont understand why you dont want to extend rbutil for this new features, and instead want to reinvent the wheel...
16:52:09LambdaCalculus37And RBUtil utilizes Qt, and is cross-platform.
16:52:36domonokybut you are free todo what you want... Rockbox Center just wont be never supported by rockbox..
16:53:35UbuntuxerOk, I can understand your scepticism
16:53:45showstoprwe just don't like the rbutil
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16:53:48Dhraakellianand why would you need a special program to transfer files? Amarok will do fancy renaming for you, but a plain old filemanager will suffice
16:53:50*domonoky would suggest learning C++ and helping rbutil would be better.. but you dont have to.. :-)
16:54:15Dhraakelliannow, if it automatically submits the scrobbler.log when you connect it...
16:54:19LambdaCalculus37And there are plenty of image manipulation tools out there to work on album art.
16:54:29domonokyif you dont like rbutil, you could help and improve it, so you like it.. :-)
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16:54:52*LambdaCalculus37 thinks RBUtil is fine like a cherry wine ;)
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16:55:05showstoprdomonoky: good argument, but we are just able to program in python ;)
16:55:12domonokywe are also planning to seperate rbutil gui more from the core, so it would be even possible to write another gui if someone likes..
16:55:50domonokyshowstopr: but if you only can programm in phyton how do you want to use rbutils device detection ? that written in c/C++
16:55:55Ubuntuxerthe data-transfer is really a new useful feature
16:56:30showstoprdomonoky: i mean i'm not a pro in c/c++ but for this task my knowledge is enough^^
16:57:04gevaertskugel: I'm home now, so I'm ready to get started
16:57:05UbuntuxerRockbox Center convert images, albumarts and videos to the right rockbox format
16:57:11gevaertskrz: I'm home now, so I'm ready to get started
16:57:18domonokyif you know enough C/C++ to extract the device detection form rbutil and use it in rbutil, you should know enough to imporve rbutil :-)
16:57:23krz_gevaerts: good :)
16:57:31domonokyäh use it in phyton...
16:57:37LambdaCalculus37Yes, but how are you going to do that? Are you going to have it call another app, or are you going to build in that functionality into the source?
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16:58:05Ubuntuxerwe have a player detection, which uses hal and the usb.ids
16:58:12showstoprLambdaCalculus37: we want to use other apps
16:58:19domonokyhow do you handle conflicting usb ids ?
16:58:22Ubuntuxerbut it's doesn't plattform independent
16:58:34Ubuntuxerso it just works under Linux
16:59:08gevaertsUbuntuxer: will you also be present here and on the forums most of the time to provide support?
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17:01:01UbuntuxerWe are just three developers
17:01:27gevaertsSo that means people will come and bother us if they have a problem using your tool?
17:01:40domonokythere were a few different unofficial installer for rockox (rix, and others). We always had problems when users used this apps, because they were easily outdated...
17:01:59Ubuntuxerwe try to make it really stable
17:02:15Ubuntuxerbefore we publish it
17:02:56showstoprgevaerts: there's a thread at ubuntuusers.de...
17:03:16Ubuntuxerwe are from germany
17:03:28gevaertsYou said earlier that you don't like rbutil. What's wrong with it?
17:03:39*domonoky mentions that the two main devs of rbutil are also from germany :-)
17:04:00*linuxstb wonders if that's a co-incidence, or something more...
17:04:13*gevaerts is happy that ipodpatcher and sansapatcher still exist :)
17:04:54Ubuntuxerit doesn't look beatiful under Ubuntu Linux
17:05:10gevaertsThen fix ubuntu
17:05:11domonokygevaerts: and they should always exist, rbutil is only for conviniece, it should always be possible to install in a manual way.. :-)
17:05:55gevaertskrz_: there are still a few # define and # include in your patch (instead of #define and #include). Would you mind fixing those?
17:05:55domonokyUbuntuxer: just tune the Qt settings in Ubuntu, or use Kubuntu, the it will blend in perfectly.. :-)
17:06:30krz_gevaerts: hw, wher?
17:06:34krz_where
17:06:34*reacocard thinks QT looks fine in Ubuntu
17:07:04reacocardsur eits a little out-of-place, but you're using this util maybe once a month?
17:07:10gevaertskrz_: wpseditor/libwps/src/defs.h has a few defines, and apps/gui/wps_parser.c has the #include
17:07:16domonokythe look of Qt apps depend on system settings, so its not really a problem of rbutil..
17:07:18saratogareinventing rbutil sounds like a pretty bad idea, since it'd need to be continually resynced with the main app, and in periods where its out of sync it could be problematic for users
17:07:23_empany suggetions for next steps? I hope to work on getting this to work tonight.
17:07:32saratogainstallers really should be developed in close cooperation with the app they install to avoid problems
17:08:20Ubuntuxerwe would like to make Rockbox Center more user friendly
17:08:36gevaertsIn what way?
17:08:44domonoky_emp: you have to some how fix the make call for rbspeex in rbutilqt.pro, there is already a different command for osx, so just make a new rule for bsd..
17:08:47reacocardreally the onyl thing I see your tool doing the rbutil doesnt is working with the files, which is better left to your music player's MSC suppoort anyway
17:09:25krz_gevaerts: can we leave # define in defs.h? it makes code more readable
17:09:34Ubuntuxere.g. if you had install a extra RC install the same extra automatically; if you wish so
17:09:55Ubuntuxerit remembers what the user have done
17:10:08gevaertskrz_: I won't insist too hard on those as it's your file anyway. Let's see what others say
17:10:57krz_domonoky: what do you think?
17:11:14*domonoky just lets Ubuntuxer be, and hope we dont get too much problems whith this new tool...
17:11:30linuxstbUbuntuxer: Why not leave the actual installation to rbutil, and instead work on adapting an existing music player application to integrate with Rockbox?
17:11:47reacocardlinuxstb: that's what Im doing :)
17:11:56reacocardstarting with on-computer DB-generation
17:12:04linuxstbreacocard: Cool... Which player(s) ?
17:12:15reacocardbut eventually extending to full support in Exaile with a lib anyone can use
17:12:17domonokykrz_: you can leave that define if you want.. its not really a problem..
17:12:37*GodEater hasn't looked at Exaile
17:12:38reacocardit wont install, just work really well with an existing install of rockbox
17:12:53reacocardthat is, IMO, the best way to go
17:12:54_empdomonoky, gotcha; I'll work on that tonight then.
17:13:23*kugel would like the h10 screen size preview to be fixed before committing
17:14:13gevaertskrz_: proxy.c has letoh16(), htole32(), and plugin_get_buffer(). Are they really needed ? I can't find anything that calls letoh16() and htole32(), and I don't really see why plugin_get_buffer() should be needed
17:14:32domonokykugel: i dont think this wrong,the h10 has a 128x128 display..
17:14:47gevaertskrz_: maybe make e200 the default. Then kugel will be happy
17:15:00kugeldomonoky: yea, but I want to edit wps of other targets
17:15:35domonokykugel: yes, but for this you need multi target support ready, ie seperate prox libs for every target...
17:15:39kugelgevaerts: I don't think I'd be happy. I just wouldn't notice the flaw ;)
17:15:53gevaertskugel: you can build other proxy libs and copy them to the right place
17:16:20krz_gevaerts: probably it is called somewhere in gwps, or else.. i can't reember now but we can get unresolved external
17:17:39krz_kugel: have a patience. other targets will be soon
17:18:11kugelis the wps editor supposed to be build per target?
17:18:35pixelmathere are 2 different possible screen sizes for a h10s ;)
17:18:37krz_kugel: nope
17:18:45domonokykugel: no, but it will need a proxy-lib per target...
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17:18:55kugelah ok
17:19:06krz_kugel: other targets will be swithced on runtime if you wait a bit ;)
17:19:16gevaertskugel: at some point there will be a way to choose which target you want (maybe a menu), which will then load the right lib
17:19:25kugelkrz_: Ok, I wait
17:19:44kugelkrz_: but if I was your mentor, I wouldn't accept it until multitarget support
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17:20:18krz_kugel: let my mentor decide
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17:21:18domonokykugel: dealine is tomorrow, so multitarget will come later..
17:21:26gevaertskugel: right now we're talking about committing what's there. We know that there is still a lot missing, but that won't get done today anyway
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17:23:03amiconnkugel: Re choosing core dynamically - that means we'd need to introduce premptive threading, plus cache coherency handling *everywhere*
17:23:40kugelamiconn: then start with it now, it's a lot of work! :)
17:23:43amiconnPP *is* special in this case - multicore PC hardware handles cache coherency automagicallly
17:23:57amiconnkugel: First of all it is work that's not worth it.
17:24:11gevaertskrz_: there are a few problems with libwps/Makefile. The shared-linux target tries to compile libwps.c instead of proxy.c, and the cp the tries to copy libproxy.so instead of libwps.so
17:24:14kugelOk, I understand
17:24:15amiconnI'd expect an overall performance decrease from it
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17:24:18pixelmakugel would also be satisfied when the WPS editor would only support one target - as long as that would be the e200's screen ;P
17:24:21kugelI said, I'm not the expert
17:24:29kugelpixelma: wrong
17:25:18krz_domonoky: actually multitarget could be done quickly :)
17:26:15domonokykrz_: yes, i think multitarget wont be hard, but there will be surely some problems, so we wait for after the commit..
17:26:33kugelkrz_: that's what I thought too
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17:27:37gevaertskrz_: let's first clean up and commit what's there now. You can do multitarget tomorrow :)
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17:28:29GodEaterwow - someone actually went with my suggestion of libwps :)
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17:28:35krz_gevaerts: oki :) are there else any problems?
17:29:02gevaertskrz_: still looking :)
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17:37:42gevaertskrz_: it seems that letoh16() and htole32() are not needed (I just built and tested without them). plugin_get_buffer() is needed though
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17:42:10krz_fixed
17:45:21gevaertskrz_: the next thing I'd really like to see go away is this system(rm -rf) thing. I don't like it, as you could easily trick it into doing dangerous things by setting $TMP or $TEMP to something creative
17:45:51gevaertskrz_: which files does it create there ? Just the wps, or also backdrop and others?
17:46:35krz_gevaerts: wps, backdrop and images
17:47:08gevaertsSo no subdirectories?
17:47:41GodEater"ln /tmp/wps /" ?
17:47:47GodEaterthat would be bad
17:48:24krz_nope
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17:49:20*gevaerts experiments a bit
17:49:22krz_GodEater: in system temp dir/(random wps dir)
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17:53:14gevaertskrz_: how about something like http://pastebin.ca/1188573 ? (not tested yet...)
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17:55:50gevaertskrz_: did you just import QPropertyEditor, or did you also make changes to it?
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17:56:13krz_gevaerts: imported
17:56:22gevaertsok. I won't look at it then
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18:03:59gevaertskrz_: I'd rename QMp3State to something like QTrackState. Not a major issue, but...
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18:09:53mcuelenaeregevaerts, krz_: I fixed some warnings in QPropertyEditor in my previous patches; not sure if it's in krz_'s one..
18:10:22gevaertskrz_: also, as someone who listens to classical music, I wouldn't mind being able to set the composer tag (I use it in my wps)
18:11:12krz_gevaerts: i think that not only composer could be added later
18:11:46*amiconn wonders why people are so keen to use desktop apps for managing their dap
18:12:16amiconnImho it's a big advantage of ums-based daps that you don't need an app.
18:12:25gevaertskrz_: did you see my earlier line about the directory removal (http://pastebin.ca/1188573) ?
18:12:43krz_gevaerts: yep, already fixed
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18:17:20gevaertskrz_: ok. Then I'm out of comments right now. Maybe upload a new patch, so we know where we are?
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18:43:59Bagderdomonoky: we need your "final evaluation" in the gsoc app
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18:49:21domonokyBagder: i know, deadline for this is september 1. i think..
18:49:38Bagderdomonoky: goodie, I'm just making sure you're aware!
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19:05:28krz_domonoky,gevaerts: new patch ready
19:07:26gevaertskrz_: the libwps makefile is still broken
19:08:35krz_gevaerts: hm, i don't have any errors
19:08:43gevaertskrz_: the last two lines are wrong : the CC line tries to compile libwps.c instead of proxy.c, and the cp line copies libproxy.so instead of libwps.so
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19:09:41krz_gevaerts: ah, i tested on linux
19:10:05bertrikI get a Makefile error too on libwps.c
19:10:06krz_gevaerts: so, if there are no errors except this - i 'll make a patch
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19:11:00mothi guys, how do i play mpegs on rockbox? the extras section says it is already installed but i cant find it
19:11:39bertrikmot, just browse to the mpeg through 'files' and select it
19:11:57motand it plays automatically
19:12:27gevaertskrz_: I just had a segfault. Give me a minute to look at it
19:13:07krz_gevaerts: how to reproduse it?
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19:13:56gevaertskrz_: I'm trying to find out
19:14:31bertrikmot, IIUC some plugins are only available as a 'viewer'. They don't show up in the plugins menu, but are started when a file of a certain type is opened. You can also see them by calling up the context menu on a file and selecting "Open with..."
19:15:31gevaertskrz_: I can't make it crash again apparently.
19:16:32motok. if the mpegs on my ipod were loaded on with itunes, does rockbox not detect them, as they aren't under files.
19:17:34gevaertskrz_: One other thing though : if I start the program and immediately click on 'Update WPS', it creates a file called '.wps' in my working directory. It gets removed after quit, but it's not really good
19:18:12LambdaCalculus37mot: No, Rockbox will not detect them. Rockbox also doesn't play back the movie codecs used by iTunes; it only plays MPEG1/2 video files.
19:18:25LambdaCalculus37http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
19:18:27bertrikmot, I don't know anything about itunes, but if they are present on the file system, rockbox can show them
19:18:37*LambdaCalculus37 corrects himself a bit
19:18:46bertrikshow the files I mean, not necessarily the movie content
19:19:39LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Actually, I don't think it can. iTunes movies usually have an .mp4 or .m4v extension, which I don't think is seen in Rockbox.
19:19:48*LambdaCalculus37 looks through the manual to make sure about .mp4 files
19:19:59J-23hmm
19:20:13J-23why Rockbox supports MPEG video only?
19:20:13LambdaCalculus37MP4 Audio only.
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19:20:34gevaertsJ-23: because you haven't written another viewer yet?
19:21:13motyeh the movies are .mp4 format and they are definitely not showing up
19:22:14LambdaCalculus37Rockbox won't play them anyway. Read the wiki page I showed you to find out how to transcode them to MPEG2.
19:22:29motok thanks
19:24:16krz_gevaerts: it is probably a bug
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19:24:32gevaertskrz_: can you reproduce it?
19:24:58krz_gevaerts: that a file created in working dir? i'll try
19:28:22domonokykrz: an easy fix for this: check for a empty document in QWpsEditorWindow::slotUpdatePlainWps before calling drawer->wpsInit(..) ..
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19:33:14krz_gevaerts, domonoky : fixed
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19:33:32krz_if there is nothing else - i'll make a patch
19:33:49gevaertsPlease do
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19:36:19fmlSlasheri, kugel: ping
19:36:56fmlSlasheri, kugel: a question about Tagcache.c: why is curpath_size declared as static long and not via a #define?
19:39:32fml pixelma: the problem you've had today at about 13:00 (crash in WPS) is known and is addressed in FS #8965. The patch is not dedicated to the problem though and fixes it as an "add-on". This applies to some tags that are normally used in a conditional but should be also usable stand alone (but are not).
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19:44:21krz_gevaerts: done
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19:47:23gevaertskrz_: the copy is still wrong in the libwps makefile
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19:48:15krz_gevaerts: are you sure?
19:48:21krz_strange..
19:48:52gevaertskrz_: it says @$(COPY) libproxy.so ../gui/bin/libwps.so, while the line above compiles to libwps.so
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19:50:09krz_gevaerts: i can make one more patch
19:51:03gevaertskrz_: if this is the only change, don't bother. But I'd like to wait a bit before committing (one or two hours) to see if anyone else has comments
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19:51:28krz_btw, i have to go for an hour or too
19:51:52gevaertsOK. Will you come back after that?
19:52:07gevaertsIf so, I'll at least wait with committing until you're back
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19:56:34krz_sure, i'll come
19:56:51krz_but you can commit without me, if there are no errors
19:58:22gevaertsWell, waiting a bit doesn't hurt...
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20:12:24Slasherifml: seems to be kind of variable that can be removed alltogether. Better to move the sizeof directly to the place where it's used
20:13:47fmlSlasheri: maybe. But a variable isn't needed −− 100%
20:14:15Slasheriyep, i already removed that locally
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20:14:58fmlSlasheri: to your discussion with kugel (yesterday): the fact that there are too few l's (small L) in the conversion string should not lead to a crash since that string is interpreted as a ring buffer.
20:15:18fmlSlasheri: it's still better to have the correct number of them of course
20:15:26gevaertslinuxstb: can you have another look at krz's latest patch ? I'm out of comments, but maybe you're inspired :)
20:15:35Slasherifml: the TAG_COUNT was not increased
20:15:41fmlSlasheri: but since all are L, there should be no visible effect
20:15:41Slasherithat leads to problems for sure
20:15:50gevaertsmcuelenaere: do you have more comments about krz's patch?
20:15:53linuxstbgevaerts: Sure...
20:15:57fmlSlasheri: ah, ok
20:16:02mcuelenaeregevaerts: I was just going to take a look ;)
20:16:29gevaertslinuxstb: you need to change the last line of libwps/Makefile to say @$(COPY) libwps.so ../gui/bin/libwps.so
20:16:39Slasherifml: but you are right about those l's.. in fact, maybe we could leave just one of them in place
20:16:40gevaertslinuxstb: I didn't think that worth it to upload another patch
20:17:19fmlSlasheri: is it sure that all of them will always stay L?
20:17:35Slasherifml: pretty sure for that one entry
20:17:38Slasherinot for the others
20:18:01mcuelenaereseems like it's still in rbutil/wpseditor..
20:18:20gevaertsit is. I'll move it before committing
20:18:24mcuelenaerek
20:18:26Slasherifml: originally i wrote that struct endianess conversion stuff but can't remember all the details
20:18:31linuxstbgevaerts: I don't really care about the wpseditor itself - I think it can be committed in any state. It's just the core changes I think are important to get perfect, especially as we're in feature freeze....
20:18:38fmlSlasheri: btw: I liked the proposal of kugel to define TAG_COUNT by placing it as an enum. Then name should be changed IMHO since it's not the total tag count but ... what would fit? (There are more enum names after that)
20:18:58Slasheriyep, that sounds good idea and should work
20:19:31Slasheribut no, no automatic generation of those endianess conversion tables
20:19:47mcuelenaerecompiling libwps still gives warnings, or is this not bad?
20:19:50*linuxstb notices that krz isn't here...
20:19:59fmlSlasheri: agreed (about no automatc generation)
20:20:25mcuelenaereand there are 'unused parameter' warnings in qwpsdrawer_static.cpp (same question)
20:20:47gevaertslinuxstb: I know. I don't see any non-preprocessor-guarded changes in the common code though
20:21:12gevaertslinuxstb: he left 20 minutes ago. He'll come back later
20:21:51fmlSlasheri: tagcache and structec wouldn't suffer if they had much more comments :-)
20:21:56linuxstbgevaerts: There are possibly some places where .h files could just be included in all cases, not just #ifdef WPSEDITOR. Plus the "/*remove warnings*/" comment isn't needed.
20:22:04mcuelenaereI see the 'not-all-windows-are-closed'-bug is still present..
20:22:16linuxstbBut maybe it's safer to keep them within the #ifdef...
20:22:51mcuelenaere+ how are you going to solve $LD_LIBRARY_PATH on Linux?
20:22:59mcuelenaereor is this an user problem?
20:23:04gevaertsmcuelenaere: that's solved
20:23:12linuxstbgevaerts: And I see it's still in rbutil - I thought it was agreed to go in utils?
20:23:13mcuelenaereLD_LIBRARY_PATH?
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20:23:29mcuelenaerelinuxstb: gevaerts is going to move it when committing
20:23:41linuxstbmcuelenaere: OK
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20:23:48gevaertsmcuelenaere: it uses the full path now when loading
20:23:55linuxstbAnd I guess we're allowing "C++ style comments" in a C++ app? ;)
20:23:56mcuelenaereit doesn't seem to on my machine
20:24:05mcuelenaereor I'm sorry
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20:24:29mcuelenaereI didn't even try, I just did 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=...'
20:25:00mcuelenaereok you're right, it's solved
20:25:16mcuelenaerebut the 'not-all-windows-are-closed when exiting' bug is still present
20:25:20*gevaerts takes notes
20:25:27linuxstbDoes the patch include a "README" with build instructions?
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20:25:48thebishopis there any truly "open" PMP?
20:25:57thebishopideally one with 40+Gb of storage
20:26:01jashyhi, need you help =) just replaced the battery of my h340, now it doesnt start anymore
20:26:02gevaertsthebishop: no
20:26:09jashyi get an ATA Error: -31 message
20:26:10*LambdaCalculus37 notices that the manuals for the 1G/2G and 3G iPods do not have proper descriptions of the controls for blind users
20:26:22thebishopgevaerts, ugh.
20:26:25gevaertslinuxstb: no. I'll add that to my notes
20:26:30jashyfirst thought i screwed up the harddisk, but it works in bootloader usb mode
20:26:39thebishopgevaerts, any on the horizon?
20:26:51gevaertsthebishop: not that I know of
20:26:51mcuelenaeregevaerts: and 'Update WPS' works when no WPS is loaded yet (well it gives error messages)
20:27:01jashysometimes i also get ATA Error: -32
20:27:05gevaertsmcuelenaere: you can make a new one from scratch
20:27:06linuxstbthebishop: What do you mean by "open"? Rockbox has made a lot of devices open, especially where the chips have freely available documentation.
20:27:30gevaertsmcuelenaere: not sure where it will get images though
20:27:39mcuelenaereah ok
20:27:50LambdaCalculus37jashy: Did you reconnect the hard drive connector properly?
20:27:59jashyi hope so
20:28:01*mcuelenaere isn't familiar enough with WPS tags to test this feature
20:28:05LambdaCalculus37Open it again and make sure.
20:28:07jashybut im not quite sure
20:28:08linuxstbgevaerts: Maybe a "TODO" file would be useful as well...
20:28:14jashyretried about 10 times now
20:28:21jashyi wonder that hd works in usb mode...
20:28:59gevaertsjashy: usb mode uses different electronics
20:29:12mcuelenaerethere are still some functionality bugs, but these will be fixed in future releases
20:29:13jashyah
20:29:18thebishoplinuxstb, i'm thinking of the PMP equivalent to OpenMoko: an open platform for application development and where the system can be upgraded by the users
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20:29:47jashyi can also say it worked well until i put everything together and closed the case
20:30:00jashyis there anythink i can look for at the connectors?
20:31:09mcuelenaerejashy: just to not confuse you, my last sentence was for gevaerts
20:31:26jashymcuelenaere: got it ;)
20:31:35mcuelenaerek :)
20:32:01*jashy is near to crying
20:32:43jashydamn, my h340 was dead for over half a year, i was so happy to see it running with the new battery, and now this
20:33:25jashywhat does ata error -31/-32 mean?
20:36:14jashywhats else strange, when i move the player while hes showing the error screen it turns off
20:36:54PaulJamjashy: tere is a recent forum thread describing similar problems: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18348.0
20:37:00gevaertsIn that case open it and check all connectord
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20:37:34jashyits open
20:37:52jashyim dont realy know what to look for, but in my eyes everything looks fine
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20:39:36jashybelow the pins is a part i dont realy know, looks like a mat
20:39:59LambdaCalculus37That's just the hard drive bumper.
20:40:02jashy15x3mm and about 2mm high
20:41:24jashythe connector pins are on a elastic plastic *missing words*
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20:41:59jashymight the connections inside that *missing word* brake if beeing bent to much?
20:43:48gevaertsI expect you mean "ribbon cable" or something like that. Is it the one between the disk and the rest of the player?
20:44:14jashyjeah
20:44:46gevaertsIn that case it must be ok if the usb mode works
20:45:15jashyso the cable as well as the disk are ok
20:45:23jashywhich makes the problem worse :(
20:45:44gevaertshave you looked at the forum thread that PaulJam pointed to?
20:46:20jashyjeah
20:46:24jashystill reading crosslinks
20:48:47jashyoriginal fw works but doesnt show any songs/files
20:48:55PaulJamjashy: here someone suggests that formatting the HD might fix it: http://www.misticriver.net/forums/rockbox-h1xx-series/45667-ata-error-32-sound-comparison-questions.html
20:49:59jashyill try
20:50:01jashyas fat32?
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20:52:06LambdaCalculus37FAT32, yes.
20:52:12PaulJamyes, FAT32. (but you'll need an extra tool like swissknife in order to format the 40 GB drive. windows only allows FAT32 partitions up to 32 GiB)
20:52:39jashysry
20:52:44jashyneed to correct myself
20:52:47jashyi just have 20gb
20:52:50jashylol
20:53:05jashythought i had more space, as i said, long time i used it...
20:53:44jashywonder how formatting could help, we'll see
20:55:20jashythis will take some minutes
20:55:23jashyany further ideas?
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20:56:08PaulJamjashy: here is another thread, that suggests that the problem can happen when you put the long screws of the casing into the wrong positions.
20:56:12PaulJamhttp://www.misticriver.net/forums/h3xx-series-320-340/44643-h340-ata-error-32-a.html
20:56:26jashyi did it
20:56:41PaulJami think the longer screws go to the bottom holes.
20:56:44jashybut stopped as they didnt go in any more
20:56:47jashyoh
20:56:48jashydamn
20:56:58jashythey "fitted" into the sides :/
20:58:23jashyill check the board in that areas next
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20:58:36PaulJami have my h300 here, so if you want i coul check which screws belong to where.
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20:59:18jashywell mine is open
20:59:28jashyat the bottom theres enough space for the long ones
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21:00:02jashybut the sides, i cant realy see it because its overlayed by the hd, but it looks bad :(
21:00:19jashybad in the sense of "no space", not i see a crippled boar
21:00:19jashyd
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21:09:12jashyabout 80%
21:09:27jashynow i know why its called "to screw something up"
21:09:38gevaertsjashy: does it work if you just remove the screws?
21:09:44jashyno
21:09:48jashythey are removed
21:17:34jashyformat didnt help
21:18:30jashythe screws screwed up
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21:19:03jashythe board is damaged a bit
21:19:11jashybut there arent any chips near the area
21:21:06jashyor might there be any conductors/wires inside the board?
21:21:19gevaertscould be
21:22:56amiconnrasher: So, what do you think we should do with the fonts which aren't compatible with current rockbox (i.e. aren't either ISO10646-1 or ISO8859-1)
21:23:33rasheramiconn: Converting them seems the best option. Can either fontforge or gbdfed help us with this?
21:24:00amiconnI tested the win_crox* (Win-1251) ones and jackash-16 (DOS-850). Both show wrong glyphs for e.g. german umlauts as I expected
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21:25:15amiconnI expected 00-starmap_r400-8 to work, but there are no umlauts at all
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21:25:48rasherI guess a script to map a bdf font from one character set into unicode wouldn't be that hard, if a file like this exists for the character set: ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/PC/CP850.TXT
21:25:53amiconn(Win-1252 is a superset of ISO8859-1 that has glyphs defined for 0x80..0x9f, which are control chars in ISO8859-1)
21:26:06rasheramiconn: Maybe the font was always broken?
21:26:24rasheramiconn: rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/Rockbox%20fonts/00-Starmap_r400-8.png">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/Rockbox%20fonts/00-Starmap_r400-8.png
21:26:31rasherThat solves that.
21:26:40rasherOr explains it, at least.
21:28:31*amiconn thinks the incompatible fonts we want to keep need to be converted by hand
21:28:48amiconnOr at least checked after auto-conversion
21:31:25rasherThankfully they're all pretty small
21:32:16jashyi managed to get an insight to the damaged places
21:32:20jashybut there realy is nothing
21:32:26jashyexpect green plastic
21:33:39jashywow
21:33:44jashynow i have another problem
21:33:51jashydisconnected battery for safety
21:34:02jashyand now dunno how to connect it, where goes black where red
21:34:31krzgevaerts: any new remarks?
21:34:54gevaertskrz: a few, yes
21:34:54jashyproblem solved, red goes up
21:35:17krzgevaerts: what are they?
21:36:08gevaertskrz: you added some comments that say "/*remove warnings*/". Those aren't very useful, so they'd better go
21:37:01gevaertskrz: then, could you add a basic README file telling people how to build it, and what you need? (basically, you need QT4 + xxx, and you need to run qmake and make, and the binary ends up in...)
21:37:19gevaertskrz: also, maybe add a TODO file with what's missing
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21:37:42gevaertskrz: then, if you're doing lots of things anyway, move it to util/ instead of rbutil/
21:38:32krzgevaerts: i've never built whole wpseditor in linux(it's about readme)
21:38:38gevaertskrz: and last but not least : can you have another look at the bug that mcuelenaere spotted that if you close the main window when there is still another window open, the application doesn't exit?
21:38:51gevaertskrz: just do windows requirements and instructions then
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21:39:25krzgevaerts: concerning that bug, i suitable can't find solution yet
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21:39:46krz*i can't find suitable solution
21:39:51mcuelenaerekrz: I can do the linux readme
21:40:07krzmcuelenaere: thanks
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21:41:09krzgevaerts: except for making this sliders modal, but it is not what we want
21:41:30jashyinstead of solving my hdd problem i think i found one more
21:41:52jashydo you know where in the internet i can get a highres image of the irivers board?
21:42:06gevaertskrz: can't you intercept the window close event directly, and then quit?
21:42:12mcuelenaerekrz: basic instructions: http://pastebin.com/d2fbeb8d8
21:44:18krzgevaerts: actually i failed. if someone points why closeEvent isn't called, or why destructor isn't called - we can also solve problem of deleting temp wps on quit
21:45:03gevaertskrz: I don't know much about Qt. domonoky or bluebrother may know
21:45:06jashyhttp://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdwq5.jpg
21:45:20jashydo you know whats the task of the marked chip is?
21:46:25domonokykrz: why not make them modal ?
21:46:44gevaertsjashy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents may help
21:48:07gevaertsdomonoky: I'd prefer to see those non-modal, but it would fix the bug...
21:48:30amiconnjashy, gevaerts: For H3x0, I bet you want this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents
21:48:34krzdomonoky: surely i can, but i'd like to left them non-modal
21:48:50gevaertsYou want to be able to tweak the wps a bit, and then wiggle the slider again, tweak the wps again,...
21:49:05*gevaerts had forgotten that it was H300...
21:49:13domonokykrz, you should give the slider a Qobject as parent...
21:49:20amiconnIt's a DC-DC converter
21:50:08domonokyat the moment you leak those sliders, as you create the with new, but never delete them... and without Qobject as parent Qt wont delete it for you..
21:50:33domonokyi dont know if this fixes the problem, but it should be changed..
21:51:49krzdomonoky: i'll try, thanks
21:52:16jashyaccording my 2nd problem: i think its a BQ24022 Li-Ion charger
21:52:19domonokyso contructor of slider should be "Slider(Qobject* parent,...)" in the definition, and in the implementation Slider(QObject* parent, ... ) :QObject(parent) { ... code .. }
21:53:04jashyand now i know why my old battery was fine for a long time but then got destroyed in a period of some days, that charger-chip has a white hole on my board...
21:53:35jashylooks like there isnt much to do know
21:53:38jashyits over :(
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21:54:18domonokykrz: the same for qwpsdrawer.cpp/h
21:54:37krzdomonoky: may be better Slider(QObject* parent, ... ): QWidget(parent)?
21:55:08domonokyoh, yes... its a widget... :-)
21:55:25gevaertsjashy: you could try finding a replacement board, or a player with broken screen or something lik that
21:56:18domonokythe maybe even better: Slider(Qwidget* parent..):QWidget(parent) ..
21:56:31domonokyand the same for QWpsDrawer..
21:56:50jashythink it would be easier to change the screen then finding the hd problem and replacing the smd chip :D
21:58:03gevaertsI would just consider that board broken, and maybe try to find a new board
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21:59:18jashyfound a h340 for 5euros
21:59:29massiveHthat's a good deal...
21:59:30jashypartly defect:
21:59:39jashywith the same problem that i have :D
21:59:45massiveHproblem being?
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22:00:04jashythe hd works with usb but not with the rockbox/original fw
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22:00:51jashywell, the display of mine is ok, think ill keep it, who knows if i wont need it some days
22:01:04krzdomonoky: with setting parent - sliders are placed on QWpsDrawer
22:01:14vitjalinuxstb, have you seen new patch for iaudio7?
22:01:27domonokyyes, is this not wanted ?
22:01:55jashywell, gonna try to resell my new battery...
22:02:13krzdomonoky: nope, layout is broken
22:02:44domonokyyou mean its not an extra window anymore ?
22:02:59krzdomonoky: yes, i mean this
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22:03:19domonokyperhaps you should choose QDialog as parent instead of QWidget..
22:05:23domonokyor set the Qt::WindowFlags for this Widget to QtDialog...
22:07:53krzdomonoky: bug solved =)
22:07:59jashyhowever, thank you for your support gevaerts
22:08:09domonokygood.. :-)
22:08:38krzdomonoky: so readme and todo left, right?
22:08:44jashywill rockbox ever work on the ipod classic series?
22:09:35domonokykrz: i think so..
22:10:56gevaertsjashy: in my opinion, unlikely
22:11:41krzmcuelenaere: btw, on linux wpseditord is built or wpseditor?
22:12:20mcuelenaerekrz: wpseditord
22:12:26mcuelenaerebut that's probably a debug build
22:12:42mcuelenaerenot sure why it's build standardly as debug though
22:13:52jashyok ill leave now, thank you all for the work on rockbox, the greatest open source project i know (love it more than linux, not that huge :D)999999999999999999
22:13:57jashygo on
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22:14:03krzmcuelenaere: jup, i also think so
22:14:40krzbtw, has anyone built wpseditor on Visual Studio(tm)? :)
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22:15:34krzi can make readme for mingw users only
22:20:43gevaertskrz: in that case, mingw is a requirement :)
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22:21:14MXIIACan I ask a question about IpodManualRestore?
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22:24:57gevaertsMXIIA: please don't ask to ask
22:25:28MXIIAOk... I am trying to reinstall my Apple Firmware before I install Rockbox
22:25:30MXIIAI get this error
22:25:31MXIIA<CatgirlSiv> have you seen the ?act=sexy XDDDDDDDDDD
22:25:36MXIIAsry wrong paste
22:25:42MXIIAhttp://pastebin.com/m3fe4639f
22:26:22Kopfgeldjaegerlol
22:26:52MXIIAdisregard the ?act=sexy
22:26:56Kopfgeldjaegeryeah
22:27:10Kopfgeldjaegerand to come back to your problems...
22:27:13MXIIAyea
22:27:22Kopfgeldjaeger... /dev/sdf is probably still mounted
22:27:28MXIIAif you want to know about the ?act=sexy PM me
22:27:33Kopfgeldjaegerwell, one of its partitions
22:27:38Kopfgeldjaegerno, thanks ;)
22:27:45gevaertsMXIIA: please stop that. This is an on-topic channel
22:28:00gevaertsOne wrong paste is ok, but don't go on about it
22:28:20gevaertsMXIIA: then read the instructions again, especially step 1
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22:28:55Kopfgeldjaegerand "dd: opening `mbr-nano4gb.bin': No such file or directory" is quite specific
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22:32:07mcuelenaere\o/ I seem to be able to read, locate (and soon write) to a virtual FAT FS file on the Creative File System :)
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22:32:55*gevaerts thinks it will soon be time to reorganise this ata_* layer a bit
22:33:59MXIIAI am pretty sure that the iPod is mounted to sdf I did "dmesg" and that came up
22:34:29MXIIAhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/41673/
22:34:43gevaertsMXIIA: (1) you need to download a file and (2) it shouldn't be mounted at all
22:35:36MXIIAOk, then 2 is my problem, I have to unmount it, thanks :p
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22:46:20krzgevaerts: new patch uploaded
22:47:06krzgevaerts: waa, forgot to rename libproxy.so
22:47:16gevaertskrz: I'll do that one
22:49:41*gevaerts test-compiles
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22:56:08gevaertsSo, any more comments about wpseditor before I commit?
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22:56:26*gevaerts has one actually, or rather a question
22:56:33krzyes
22:56:56krzgevaerts: what is it?
22:57:03gevaertsDo authors of standalone utilities like this one get into CREDITS, or does the utility get its own CREDITS file ?
22:57:14gevaertskrz: basically, where do I put your name :)
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22:58:51gevaertskrz: if I understand correctly, your code also needs to be on some google server for them to accept all this. Is that done?
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23:00:20krzit is in code.google.com/wpseditor
23:00:35gevaertsok.
23:00:36domonokygevaerts: googles time line says, they can begin submitting to google after sepember 3.
23:01:49domonokykrz should look in the gsoc student docs from google on how todo it..
23:03:50domonokygevaerts: i think you should put him in the main CREDITS file.. but what do others think ?
23:04:29gevaertsdomonoky: I think that's best. "People that have contributed to the project, one way or another" clearly includes this sort of work
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23:05:20*gevaerts now has done the svn add thing, the svn pset thing, the CREDITS thing and the compile test. Anything else?
23:05:54Bagderyes the dance thing!
23:05:59Bagder:-P
23:06:08XavierGrroflmao good one!
23:06:25XavierGrGoldenQuote candidate I say :P
23:06:48gevaertsDo we close FS #9327, or do we keep that one for further patches?
23:07:04BagderI think close it
23:07:18gevaertsok
23:07:20krzgevaerts: i think we can keep
23:07:28Bagderit also kind of opens it up for others to also submit patches for that code
23:07:38krzwhere will i put patches? :)
23:07:53domonokykrz in a new tracker entry.. :-)
23:08:36*gevaerts types :wq
23:08:44domonokyi think closing the task is good, so its clear that code is commited..
23:09:14gevaertsNow let's hope that http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi agrees with our reviews :)
23:10:49*domonoky gives beer to gevaerts :-)
23:10:58*gevaerts drinks beer and asks for more
23:11:12*domonoky gives more beers..
23:11:26*gevaerts gives one of them to krz
23:11:34*gevaerts then drinks the others
23:11:54domonokykrz can pay those beers, he just earned 2k $ :-)
23:12:16gevaerts:)
23:12:18*krz wave to everyone
23:12:23Bagderkrz: congratulations on getting your code committed!
23:12:40*krz gives beer to everyone :D
23:12:51*gevaerts drinks more beer and falls over
23:12:51krzBagder: thanks!
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23:17:17*gevaerts looks at the build server
23:18:13domonokyall green...
23:18:24*domonoky goes to fill in the final evaluation..
23:19:42gevaertsAlso zero delta, so the code really is the same :)
23:19:47Bagder"it's all green mr Google"
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23:20:30krzbtw, how are other gsoc projects?
23:21:38Nico_Pkrz and domonoky: congratulations!
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23:24:34krzNico_P: thanks!
23:25:27Nico_Pkrz: it's compiled as the H10 5GB right?
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23:25:56krzyes
23:27:49*domonoky clicked "yes" in the google final evaluation and submitted it... so its now final.. congrats to krz :-)
23:27:59gevaerts\o/
23:28:21gevaertscongratulations :)
23:29:42domonokyso lets hope krz continues his work now that his gsoc project finnished..
23:30:04gevaertsWell, he made a TODO file :)
23:30:19krzdomonoky: sure, there is a TODO
23:30:21krzeys =)
23:30:26krz*yes
23:31:49domonoky:-)
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23:32:09bertrikI see a different background every time I press the update WPS button, looks like image data but with incorrect width
23:32:43mcuelenaerekrz: congrats :)
23:34:14krzmcuelenaere: thanks! without your help, we wouldn't have linux build :)
23:34:28mcuelenaerenp :)
23:36:03krzbertrik: for what target do you use wps?
23:38:36*bertrik is clueless
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23:39:04bertriktarget? what I did was run it and open the 128x128 cabbiev2 theme wps file
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23:39:57krzbertrik: can you describe whats happening a bit more?
23:41:46bertrikmaybe I should post a screenshot somewhere
23:42:03krzbertrik: may be its better
23:48:22bertrikkrz, this is what I see http://imagebin.ca/view/STzFplx.html
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23:50:23krzhm
23:51:31krzis this error repeatable with other wps's?
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23:53:32bertrikyes it happens with other wps's too, like rockboxed 128x128x16
23:57:00krzbertrik: nothing fails in the log, yes? what version of Qt do you have?
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23:57:28gevaertsHere it segfaults on rockboxed...
23:57:41*gevaerts builds a debug build
23:57:59bertrikqmake −−version says version 2.01a, Using Qt version 4.3.4

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