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#rockbox log for 2008-09-08

00:00:54linuxstbBut I don't think 2MB will be a problem, especially with the DAX/M200's small mono LCD.
00:01:30linuxstbIt will be a good excuse to attack the codec memory usage, and if possible reduce/remove the 512KB malloc buffer, and reduce the main 512KB codec buffer.
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00:10:28rasherbluebrother: would you mind awfully if I added a (hidden?) all target to rockboxdev.sh?
00:11:16bluebrotherrasher: no. I just considered it cleaner removing the "all" option
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00:20:01mcuelenaerebluebrother: why is 'Create voice file' in rbutilqtfrm.ui (in Accessibility) not translatable?
00:22:31bluebrothermcuelenaere: it should be. Are you sure you're not looking at a removed string (happened to me once ...)?
00:23:11bluebrotheras far as I can see it's also translated in the german translation
00:23:16mcuelenaereI'm using the Qt Linguist Form Preview function
00:23:22mcuelenaereperhaps I should try a real build
00:23:46bluebrotherform preview function? Haven't seen this in linguist
00:24:26mcuelenaere(I'm using the Windows version, not sure if it's in others too)
00:24:30mcuelenaerehit F5
00:25:03bluebrotherah, found it. Well, the form preview shows me that label untranslated too (checking with german), but the build shows it translated
00:25:17bluebrotherheh, I just never noticed that preview. Nice :)
00:25:45mcuelenaereit's handy when you want an overview :)
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00:27:08bluebrotherindeed. gtg now, need to get up in less than 5 hours :/
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01:11:00kugelHow can a wps work in a sim, but not on the target?
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01:32:28linuxstbkugel: What are the symptoms?
01:33:35kugeldisplaying the the hardcoded wps screen
01:34:09kugelthe sim displays it fine, doesn't show a debug message in the terminal or something. Also, checkwps doesn't complain either
01:34:43kugelthe sim and the target build are built from the same source
01:35:16linuxstbAnd the wps (and other files) are definitely identical?
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01:37:49kugelyes, I put the sim on the player and did −−root .
01:37:55kugelit are the same files
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01:45:07linuxstbkugel: I would try deleting lines from the wps until you find out the problem, then try and work out why it works in the sim, and then not the target...
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01:47:16kugelthey worked the whole time, I wonder if the settings wps tags patch is causing this
01:47:38kugelI don't have such tags in the wps in question though
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01:56:49kugellinuxstb: can it be a bom and/or encoding issue?
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02:14:37kugelwell, they work on a current build
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03:23:16LinuxMafiahi
03:23:32LinuxMafiai can not mount my sansa e200 any more
03:24:42advcomp2019LinuxMafia, are you booted into OF?
03:24:50LinuxMafiausb mode is in MSC mode i boot into the factory firmware but nothing shows up in dmesg
03:24:56LinuxMafiaadvcomp2019, yeah
03:25:09LinuxMafiaadvcomp2019, windows can see it
03:25:25LinuxMafiabut not my linux , not any more 2 days now
03:25:32advcomp2019what OF version are you using?
03:25:47LinuxMafiavery old
03:25:52LinuxMafialet me check
03:26:15LinuxMafia01.02.15a
03:26:32LinuxMafiahave to update that?
03:26:40LinuxMafiadont know how
03:26:55advcomp2019since have not ran into this issue i am not sure myself
03:27:46alleleare arrays in rockbox are limited to two dimensions?
03:27:50LinuxMafiaadvcomp2019, just 2 days it is like that
03:29:03LinuxMafiaadvcomp2019, do you know how can i update the OF?
03:30:07advcomp2019you update the OF.mi4 file in the system folder
03:31:25LinuxMafiaoh thanks
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03:52:21saratogaallele: arrays can be many dimensional
03:52:47saratogain c arrays are just linear segments of memory, so theres no difference between arrays of different dimension but identical total elements
03:56:22alleleso if I'm given a warning about excess elements for a 3 dimensional array (50x60x3) I should be able to just split it into three 50x60 arrays without a problem, or do you think that would take up too much memory?
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04:01:02saratogaallele: what is the warning?
04:02:57allelenot sure what it was specifically, but it was something along the lines of array contains excess elements
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04:06:03saratogaallele: c doesn't check the size of arrays, so I doubt it said that
04:06:39saratogac will happily let you read element 1000 or -1000 from a 1 element array . . .
04:07:43allelefair enough, must be human error in there then hehe. I probably tried entering 4 elements into a cell or something
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04:24:29Davide-NYCMy Gigabeat S just "imploded" again after trying to install an updates build. :-(
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04:55:33Davide-NYCI suspect it has something to do with the USB unmount in Windows.
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05:00:50LinuxMafiai need to format my sansa e200
05:01:01LinuxMafiahow can i do that?
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05:10:24LinuxMafiahow can i format my sansa e200?
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05:21:27advcomp2019LinuxMafia, you can use the sansa.fmt file while in recovery mode but you will need to reinstall the OF at the same time
05:22:15LinuxMafiaadvcomp2019, i cant get to recovery mode
05:23:04LinuxMafiai hold power button and rec button
05:23:04advcomp2019so blue ring with black screen?
05:23:08verdigris7Hi, I was going to upload a battery_bench.txt as discussed in the forum, but I think I need permission to edit the Twiki from IRC, can anyone help me out?
05:23:26LinuxMafiano rockbox shows up
05:24:23advcomp2019LinuxMafia, you need to turn on the hold then hold rec then power
05:24:35LinuxMafiaoh thanks
05:24:36LinuxMafiaalot
05:26:17advcomp2019verdigris7, what is your name?
05:26:22verdigris7ElinorLim
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05:28:59LinuxMafiadamn it still can not mount
05:29:15DavidBraunHey guys. I just put a .wps together and I was hoping to upload it for the Sansa c200. Any chance I could get Wiki write permissions?
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05:35:17DarkCampaignerHello?
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05:35:49DarkCampaignerOh good. Hey guys, I just put together a .wps file for the Sansa C200, and I was wondering if I could get Wiki write permissions to upload it?
05:35:50verdigris7Hi~
05:36:26advcomp2019DarkCampaigner and verdigris7, hold on
05:36:41verdigris7advcomp2019: yep, thanks
05:37:02advcomp2019are you not going spam?
05:37:25DarkCampaignerI am not going to spam. (Avoiding double negative :P)
05:38:04advcomp2019DarkCampaigner, what is your name?
05:38:11DarkCampaignerDavidBraun
05:39:50advcomp2019i hope i did that right.. DarkCampaigner and verdigris7, you should be able to edit
05:40:09DarkCampaignerAlright. Thanks a bunch, advcomp2019.
05:40:13verdigris7advcomp2019: Thank you! I'll check if I can post now
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05:54:10verdigris7advcomp2019: Sorry, you seem busy but I'm not sure that I am uploading the file correctly onto the Twiki; I've read the guide but am a bit confused
05:55:28advcomp2019verdigris7, yea it looks like part of a battery bench log to me
05:56:24verdigris7advcomp2019: Alright, thanks; it's just that the user above posted a lot of information and I was worried that I was breaking from the format
05:57:30advcomp2019you might want to lay it out like how the user has it
05:59:47verdigris7advcomp2019: OK, thanks, I'm looking at how he has done it right now; would this code be how I would attach the document? [[%ATTACHURL%/battery_bench.txt][battery_bench.txt]]
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06:02:31advcomp2019you could leave it the way you have it and someone else could but it the right now.. since i have not posted like that i am not sure
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06:04:16verdigris7advcomp2019: OK, thanks for your help, I think I'll rename it and re-upload it and see what happens; re-reading the instructions has made me nervous that leaving it like that may overwrite the previous poster's benchmark
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06:12:10DarkCampaignerWell, thanks again for the help, advcomp2019. My wps is all uploaded. Good night everybody!
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08:10:35amiconnThese audio codec inits are a whole mess
08:11:13amiconnSome use audiohw_preinit() and audiohw_postinit(), some use audiohw_enable_output() for all their inits and don't use the former at all
08:11:30amiconnThis leads to several (and confusing) ifdefs in the pcm code
08:12:05amiconnImo this should be unified. I think the preinit/postinit method should be the standard way, since it's more flexible
08:13:24LinusNi agree
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08:14:12*amiconn is looking into this because he wants to fix playback-after-recording for the ipods
08:14:20LinusNaha
08:14:25LinusNit is one of those "it works, just don't touch it" areas :-)
08:14:29amiconnThe cause for this bug is obvious
08:14:51amiconnLinusN: Well, it might work, but it's currently fugly
08:14:59LinusNindeed
08:15:08LinusNit needs another round of refactoring
08:15:17amiconnyup
08:15:54amiconnI can fix WM8975 myself (the recording stuff; ipod G4, Color/Photo and Nano) and make it use preinit/postinit as well.
08:16:14amiconnFor WM8758, it needs a dev with an ipod video to do it efficiently
08:16:29amiconnI could prepare something, but I cannot test it
08:17:04LinusNwhich reminds me, i wonder how my 5.5G is doing... :-)
08:17:27amiconnNico_P should still have it
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08:18:04amiconnBtw, depending on the 3.0 release date, maybe we'll have to do a point release for Ondio
08:18:43amiconnThe current MMC driver doesn't like Transcend 4GB MMCs; miner49er is sending me his card for testing & fixing
08:22:02LinusNhmm, interesting
08:25:01amiconnIf you want to see the reason for broken playback after recording on ipods, check wm8975.c or wm8758.c: audiohw_disable_recording()
08:25:24amiconnIt juts disables the whole audio codec...
08:26:02amiconnYou'll also see that those drivers don't set the requested recording gain - audiohw_set_recvol() is empty
08:32:16LinusNbadness
08:34:34amiconnYeah, but the bug is in a relatively small portion of code. That's the good thing
08:35:27*amiconn thinks the fix should be simple enough to go into 3.0
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08:55:08*amiconn thinks that rockboxdev.sh should be made more space conserving than it is now
08:56:25B4gderyou mean space in the building dir etc?
08:56:40amiconnI.e. download binutils+gcc, then just untgz binutils, build binutils, install binutils, *remove binutils source tree + build dir*, and only then untgz gcc, build and install gcc
08:57:10amiconnRight now it keeps all temporary cruft until done with both components
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08:57:22B4gderthe script was made like it is right now to easily allow you to manually fiddle with stuff in case it breaks
08:57:33B4gderthat's why it even left things around after a build
08:57:53amiconnWell, it doesn't need to remove stuff when something fails
08:57:57B4gderbut yes, we probably don't need it that way so it can very well delete things earlier
08:58:05amiconnBut building binutils and gcc are reasonably separate
08:58:12B4gderyeps
08:58:24amiconnOnce binutils went okay and are installed, the temp stuff can be removed
08:58:40B4gderbut you're addressing a "problem" nobody even complained about
08:58:48amiconnKeeking everything around could cause problems on systems where /tmp is a separate volume
08:59:05B4gderif you don't have space for those build dirs you can hardly build rockbox anyway
08:59:12amiconnhuh?
08:59:36amiconnRockbox isn't built in /tmp
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09:00:01B4gderrockbox builds where you want it
09:00:29B4gderall I'm saying is that yes you're right but very very few has been hurt by this
09:01:05amiconnProbably
09:01:24amiconnBut then being nice wrt disk space wouldn't hurt either
09:01:40*amiconn just noticed this because he's trying to build the mips toolchain on cygwin
09:02:03amiconnrockboxdev.sh is currently consuming 380MB in /tmp
09:02:21*B4gder doesn't build in /tmp... :-)
09:03:39amiconnThat wasn't my point...
09:04:24B4gderI thought your point was that it uses more disk than necessary
09:04:34amiconnyes
09:05:18amiconnAnd it does also do that if you put the temp dirs elsewhere, just there instead of /tmp
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09:06:00B4gderof course
09:06:10B4gderbut you don't need to convince anyone you know
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09:11:14amiconnBuilding the mips toolchain on cygwin took 1h 25 min here
09:11:30B4gderhaha
09:12:01B4gdereach toolchain takes < 10 minutes on my box, but the mips one failed the last time I tried
09:12:09B4gderon linux of course
09:12:15amiconnyes, sure
09:12:29B4gder85 mins is still 8 times
09:12:55fluxfortunately building toolchain isn't something you need to do all the time :)
09:13:09B4gderindeed!
09:13:23amiconnIt's a known fact that cygwin is slow when it comes to thing that spawns processes like mad. But of course it also depends on the hardware
09:14:05amiconnA laptop hdd is always slower than a desktop hdd of about the same generation. Also, this is an old Pentium M
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09:15:39amiconnI doubt this laptop would build the toolchains in 10 minutes even when running linux natively. 30 mins would be more likely
09:16:19*amiconn rather arranges with the cygwin slowness than switching to native linux
09:17:04*petur is slowly arranging to run linux on his desktop and XP in a VM whenever he needs it...
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09:59:05B4gderso what's the general opinion about putting out a 3.0 release today or tomorrow?
09:59:53petur9/9/8?
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10:07:40pondlife10/9/8 is neater...
10:07:56pondlife..but go for it..
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10:21:45pondlifeHere goes with some binsize madness...
10:24:38JdGordonpondlife: :) too bad the yanks wont get it :p
10:24:45pondlife?
10:24:56*pondlife missed something
10:24:57JdGordon10/9/8
10:24:58petur10/9/8
10:25:08petur9/10/8
10:25:14pondlifeAh! Sorry, I thought you meant a smaller audio buffer!
10:25:27pondlifeEveryone will get one of those shortly ;)
10:25:33JdGordonno, sorry, came a bit late to the previous convo :p
10:25:46*Nico_P is lost
10:26:04*JdGordon points Nico_P to the log before he entered
10:26:27JdGordonmissed it by > < much
10:26:33*JdGordon agent 86 voice
10:26:38*B4gder suggest it wasn't that much to miss... :-)
10:26:54Nico_Pah, right :)
10:27:22Nico_PB4gder: what about adding some themes? was that idea dropped?
10:27:38B4gdernobody works on it so I don't see it happening
10:29:36pondlifeAhh, why didn't svn commit add new files??
10:29:54*pondlife predicts lots of red
10:30:00*amiconn points B4gder to today's log (re the release)
10:31:10pondlifeWhat properties should I set when adding files to SVN?
10:31:24petursame as the other files?
10:31:41*pondlife doesn't know how to find that.... will guess
10:31:47Nico_Peol-style
10:31:51petureol style, author
10:31:59Nico_Pkeywords too
10:32:19*petur kicks his bad memory
10:32:56pixelmaId
10:33:44*pondlife can't work out svn propset....
10:33:52Nico_Pid is a keyword, and iirc author too
10:34:08Nico_Psvn propset svn:eol-style native <file>
10:34:09pondlife"svn: Explicit target required ('apps/tdspeed.c' interpreted as prop value)"
10:35:04Nico_Pyou omitted the property value ("native" in my example)
10:35:58pondlifeOK, files added, but properties not yet set...
10:36:34pondlifeIt doesn't seem to want to set properties on non-committed new files, but probably something I'm getting wrong.
10:37:22Nico_Phave you svn-added them?
10:37:28LinusNamiconn: most bug fixes should go into 3.0 imho
10:37:29pondlifeYes, and committed
10:38:02LinusNeven r18441/18442 methinks
10:38:47B4gderamiconn: sorry, I read the log but I don't get what you're referring to. What is your stance on release date?
10:38:56pondlifeOK, that's working now - properties set and committed.
10:40:11peturLinusN: I'll try to get them in 3.0 tonight when time permits and nobody does it before me
10:40:19LinusNgoodie
10:40:20Nico_Ppondlife: the keywords are wrong... you need to lookup the value on existing files
10:40:29pondlifeI did - I used tree.c
10:41:03pondlifeI don't really understand what you mean though ;)
10:41:07Nico_Pit really has svn:keywords set to "native"?
10:41:23pondlifeNo, I was copying your command
10:42:15Nico_Pah, then I didn't explain myself well enough. "native" in my example was to replace with the property value for other properties than svn:eol-style
10:42:39pondlifeI was trying to duplicate this - http://pastebin.com/m2f36e3b
10:43:17pondlifeWhich appears to be what I have - http://pastebin.com/m7e945523
10:44:06Nico_Psvn:keywords is typically set to "Author Date Id Revision"
10:44:08pondlifePlease can you teach this man to fish?
10:44:49pondlifehttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.advanced.props.special.keywords.html might help... I'll read
10:45:01*JdGordon thought that speed patch wasnt wanted?
10:45:10pondlifeWho said that?
10:45:18Nico_Pproplist only lists the set properties. the values also are of importance
10:45:24pondlifeI've seen no objections...
10:45:34JdGordonmust have been my imaginiatoin then :p
10:46:17Nico_Ppondlife: you can use svn proplist -v to get property values too
10:49:44amiconnOr propget...
10:50:26Nico_Pproplist is nice because it lists all the properties of a file
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10:51:46amiconnwhoa..
10:52:11amiconnpondlife: Pls fix the speed patch asap. +32KB binsize on archos can't be right
10:52:21peturwhoa indeed
10:52:22pondlifeThat's not right..!
10:52:28pondliferevert revert revert
10:53:13pondlifeIt shouldn't have affected MASCODEC at all...
10:53:14amiconnIt's actually +2KB binsize (what for???) and +62KB ram usage
10:54:05Nico_Ppondlife: you don't need to revert INHO
10:54:09Nico_Ps/N/M
10:54:13pondlifeWhy?
10:54:24pondlifeI don't have time to look into it now
10:54:47pondlifeSo, revert time, I think.
10:54:58pondlifeI expected about +2K on SWCODEC only..
10:55:08Nico_PI think we can afford a little instability in the trunk right now
10:55:13*B4gder agrees
10:55:22B4gderjust fix it later
10:55:30pondlifeYes, but this isn't instability, it's madness
10:55:36B4gder:-)
10:55:51amiconnCode delta on swcodec is ~ +2KB, but it uses lots of extra ram
10:55:57pondlifeIf anyone else is prepared to work out what happened, then fine. Else I will revert.
10:56:10pondlifeI may not have time to look into it until mid October
10:56:13pondlife:)
10:56:24Nico_Pah, right
10:56:58*amiconn thinks that something went fundamentally wrong there
10:57:02*Nico_P would love to take a look but time is a scarce resource :(
10:57:10pondlifeMy problem too
10:57:24pondlifeNot caused by the keywords?
10:57:34pondlifeI can fix them and see if it helps?
10:58:58Nico_PI doubt the keywords could cause anything to go wrong
10:59:25Nico_Punless there is "$native$" somewhere in the code
10:59:31*pondlife clutches at straws
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11:00:55pondlifeOK, reverted - nothing to see here...
11:01:01peturSOURCES tdspeed should only be there for SWCODEC?
11:01:08pondlifeYes
11:01:33pondlifeStill, that's a silly binsize change for all targets
11:01:49*pondlife suspects strongly his method of checking binsize is wrong
11:02:17B4gderrockbox-info.txt has the clues
11:02:22pondlifeAh!
11:02:40Nico_Ppondlife: the delta also includes RAM usage
11:02:56pondlifeYes, that's what I missed
11:02:58B4gderyes, you need to hover on the delta numbers to see the exact numbers
11:03:11pondlifeThe good news is we're about to get a decent green delta .
11:03:47pondlifeHmm, 64k of RAM is too much to steal permanently..
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11:41:54JdGordonbig deal if its a big delta... its still a nice feature
11:42:04JdGordonand its just after release so its expected....
11:42:13pondlifeYes, a 2k delta would be fine... 72k not so... :)
11:42:29JdGordonthe 32k hwcodec delta is the only bad thing...
11:42:57pondlifeThe RAM needs to come from the audio buffer, i.e. only when enabled, I guess.
11:42:58JdGordonwhy is it so bad? big static buffers or something?
11:43:28pondlifeMight need a config option for that, it would be annoying to have to reboot to set the speed from 100% to 102%..
11:44:02JdGordonyes :p
11:44:36gevaertsMaybe we should really look into restart-less audiobuffer stealing
11:44:55*pondlife didn't whisper "malloc"...
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11:45:13pondlifeA steal with no free should be doable
11:45:39JdGordonrestartless yes, playback restartless no...
11:45:53JdGordonand we have that now anyway
11:45:57pondlifei.e. you can enable features on the fly, but a reboot is needed to get your buffer back after disabling
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12:29:04mcuelenaerewpyh (logs): I just thought of something which could ease NAND development: could you send/link me all .dl files you can find? (I'm trying to find any NAND functions and perhaps there is some nand_send_command() one)
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12:38:49preglowpondlife: was that bin size increase a surprise? if i remember correctly, that patch uses a rather large buffer
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12:38:56preglowpondlife: and that really can't be helped
12:39:13pondlifeIt was a surprise because I forgot about RAM use
12:39:36pondlifeI think the buffer should be allocated from the main audio buffer on first use of timestretching.
12:39:48preglowwell, time stretching needs a buffer, so either we need to allocate it dynamically via bufalloc (and require a reboot), or we need to just live with it
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12:40:13pondlifebufalloc shouldn't need a reboot, just a rebuffer - I'd think...
12:40:30preglowhmm, no, i don't thiunk it works that way
12:40:33preglowi'd like it to, though
12:40:41preglowit's on my todo list, and will almost certainly never be done :)
12:40:52preglowbut today: sd card on d2
12:40:57preglowafter this short break...
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12:42:42pondlifeJust the man... ;)
12:43:24pondlifepreglow: I agree - it should allow for allocations - just forcing a rebuffer. I don't know if it does or not though.
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12:46:47directhexi seem to have brokened my gigabeat. what's current flavour of the month for hard-disk-based player that can actually still be bought new?
12:47:54mcuelenaeresizeof(unsigned long) on ARM926 targets == 4, right?
12:49:09GodEaterdirecthex: no Rockbox targets are available new
12:49:24directhexcrapcakes
12:49:27pondlifeThat is the way of Rockbox, generally, sadly.
12:49:34pondlifeMmm, cake...
12:49:51GodEatermmm, beer
12:51:23Nico_Ppreglow, pondlife: you seem to be confusing buffer_alloc and bufalloc
12:51:40directhexsigh. given thr trouble i have with players, i can't get away with 2nd han
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12:51:43Nico_Pbufalloc allocates on the audio buffer and requires no reboot
12:52:06pondlifeDoes bufalloc work during playback?
12:52:18pondlifei.e. does it auto-rebuffer?
12:52:36pondlifeOr does it cause white noise to be output, followed by a lockup? ;)
12:53:08pondlifeI'm "merely" wanting to bufalloc when the timestretch is first enabled
12:53:24pondlife(which is likely during playback)
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12:54:20pondlifeI thought bufalloc was unsafe after startup though it's been a while....
12:54:22Nico_Ppondlife: bufalloc works during playback, but I'm really not sure it's a good idea to use it for a "permanent" buffer
12:54:32pondlifeWhy not?
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12:54:40Nico_Ppondlife: again, you're confusing with buffer_alloc
12:54:45pondlifeThis is rather like the thumbnail buffer
12:55:15Nico_Pbecause the general use case for the buffering API is chunks of memory with limited lifespans
12:55:33Nico_Pit could work, but it needs a bit of thought
12:55:51pondlifeI thought that was the case.
12:56:09Nico_Pbuffer_alloc is the one that has to be used before playback starts
12:56:15pondlifeAh, ok
12:56:24pondlifeI have them the wrong way round in my head ;)
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12:57:41mcuelenaereNico_P: are there any examples using buffer_alloc() ?
12:58:30Nico_Pmcuelenaere: yes, cuesheet support, IIRC also dircache
12:58:47mcuelenaereis some initialisation needed before you can use it?
12:58:52Nico_Pand probably a couple others I don't remember
12:59:02Nico_Pnot much
12:59:23mcuelenaerenot much?
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13:00:24Nico_Pbasically it works like malloc. you just need to call it at startup time
13:00:38pondlifeSo first bit of work is to make buffer_alloc() safe during playback (involving a forced rebuffer and probably stop/restart playback)...
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13:01:40Nico_Ppondlife: I think it would be better to look at how crossfade toggling works
13:02:34pondlifeYes, similar, but a safer buffer_alloc() would be useful there too.
13:02:50pondlifeI don't think that needs much memory though, relatively to timestretching
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13:22:38mcuelenaereNico_P: I suppose there's no way to 'free' a buffer_alloc() handle?
13:22:55Nico_Pno
13:23:19Nico_Pthe only way is to reboot
13:30:51markunshould other buffers like the font buffer be allocated with buffer_alloc as well?
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13:34:09Nico_Pmarkun: I think it's really meant for rather large buffers that are only used by optional features
13:35:50markunNico_P: I could imagine people using japanese or chinese fonts might want to increase the size
13:36:39Nico_Ptrue
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13:43:18Tuplanollahello
13:43:43Tuplanolladoes e200 with rockbox support microsdhc cards?
13:43:55B4gderyes
13:43:57LambdaCalculus37It does, but only through Rockbox.
13:44:00*LambdaCalculus37 was too slow
13:44:07Tuplanollayeah, thanks
13:44:15Tuplanollagotta buy a 8gb one :)
13:44:23LambdaCalculus37Buy one, then. :P
13:45:26LambdaCalculus37Buy a card reader, too. The card won't work in the OF, so you can transfer music to it with the card reader, then drop it into your Sansa afterwards.
13:45:40Tuplanollaah yes
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14:01:06PaulJamhi, is it theoretically possible to poweroff the H300 while the charger is inserted (so it would immediately boot into the OF)?
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14:05:10peturPaulJam: no
14:05:19peturoh wait
14:05:42peturit would just boot again, so with V5 yes I think
14:06:07peturhmmm not sure it would actually try to power down
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14:07:33LinusNwork, work ,work, family, work
14:07:34PaulJamwell, jesterday my player just rebooted into the OF shortly after i inserted the charger, so i was wondering if it could have been a software issue or if it was a hardware issue.
14:08:07petursounds like HW
14:08:50Nico_PLinusN: I'm taking good care of your ipod
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14:11:40LinusNNico_P: good
14:11:49LinusNpetur: had no time this weekend.... :-(
14:12:13peturno worries
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14:22:41GodEaterit seems changing the volume names of the partitions on the beast is not to be advised
14:23:49MarcGuayGodEater: You're out to kill that thing, aren't you?
14:24:22pondlifeBeastKiller... nice nick..
14:25:06GodEaterMarcGuay: not on purpose :(
14:25:20*GodEater rsyncs it again
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14:27:00MarcGuayI've been letting mine sit for a while. Honestly a bit afraid of mucking it up. How's the charging/spinning situation?
14:27:48GodEaterdon't know - I've not got that patch in mine currently
14:27:52GodEaterI still charge in the OF
14:29:35MarcGuayIf I could get Windows and VMWare to shake hands again I'd be more than happy to test it. For some reason after reinitalizing XP (motherboard died) I can't get them to link up anymore. Seems the virtual LAN disappeared. And now I'm off-topic.
14:30:32GodEaternot really
14:30:40GodEaterit boils down to your ability to test Rockbox ;)
14:31:17*GodEater still thinks a true linux install is the way forward mind you
14:31:49*petur hugs VirtualBox
14:31:50MarcGuayShould this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9375 person be redirected to the support channels? I hate when people piggyback problems on problems and don't really explain if the first one was fixed or not.
14:35:27MarcGuayHas anyone used Windows NetBeans to set up a Rockbox build environment? It seems to support Subversion and will compile C (using Cygwin?). http://subversion.netbeans.org/. I must admit to being a junkie for the GUI.
14:36:54petursomething wrong with TortoiseSVN?
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14:37:54MarcGuaypetur: Ah, I remember stumbling on it but not following through. It's a graphic build environment?
14:37:58pondlifeMarcGuay: I had a similar-sounding issue a while ago. IIRC, reinstalling VMWare fixed it.
14:38:08pondlifei.e. all my LAN adapters vanished.
14:38:26GodEaterpondlife: so again, install linux properly and stop being a wuss ;)
14:38:34pondlifeGodEater may remember more than I do, I was stumbling in the dark somewhat
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14:39:05GodEaterpondlife: remember? What? Who are you? This isn't my house... what am I doing here ?
14:39:17pondlifehehe
14:39:31pondlifePut yer clothes on and get out!
14:39:34MarcGuaypondlife: I was afraid that might be the solution. I guess any files I have on the virtual drive are unrecoverable then?
14:39:35peturMarcGuay: no, it is SVN shell integration.... I do not use/like much integration into an IDE
14:40:00pondlifeMarcGuay: I don't know, the image was ok - it was something in the VMWare config itself.
14:40:24pondlifeAlthough I reset the image a number of times during the experimentation, so I can't be sure.
14:41:10*GodEater wonders what use a graphical build environment is. You get to click a button to build instead of typing "make" ?
14:42:46GodEateris B4gder around today ?
14:43:02B4gderI am
14:43:08*GodEater withdraws the question remembering he promised not to pester
14:43:15B4gderhaha
14:43:15MarcGuayGodEater: Something about having a file-tree on the same page as the code makes me happy.
14:43:33GodEaterMarcGuay: you can get that from a lot of editors...
14:46:20MarcGuayGodEater: That's good to know, thanks. I'll look into it once I've reinstalled VMWare and/or pulled my hair out.
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15:00:13MarcGuayI had a french dude contact me with a bug on the ipod 5G. I suggested he report it himself but he didn't seem too keen on it so I thought I'd do it for him. Apparently after he enters and leaves the recording screen, the player can no longer play m4a/AAC files so he has to reset to continue. Any testers?
15:00:42MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Congrats, chum. A note on the manual, the word "by" was missing from one of your sentences.
15:01:00LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Thanks! I saw your note; didn't have time to do the fix yet.
15:01:39LambdaCalculus37By the way, that bug with entering and leaving the recording screen breaking playback on iPods is confirmed.
15:01:45LambdaCalculus37I've had that happen to me, too.
15:01:55Nico_PMarcGuay: that's a known bug I think
15:03:11LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Have you gone through Flyspray? IIRC someone had mentioned it there.
15:03:27Nico_Pit's due in 3.0 on FS
15:04:09LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: What's the entry?
15:04:20B4gderbtw, I've now put my two release-build-scripts on my 3.0RC page as well, in case someone else wants to play with them
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15:05:18Nico_PLambdaCalculus37, MarcGuay: FS #7402
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15:05:21linuxstbMarcGuay: That's well-known, and I think amiconn is working on it - see the logs from earlier this morning
15:06:00LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Reading them now.
15:06:21Nico_PB4gder: I get 403 forbidden on rockbox.org
15:06:40*linuxstb too - on the homepage
15:06:56MarcGuayhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7402
15:07:17MarcGuayThanks, I sent him the link and hope he can read some english. :)
15:07:38B4gderouch
15:07:42*LambdaCalculus37 also got 403 - forbidden
15:07:59*LambdaCalculus37 gives the server a little percussive maintenance
15:09:41MarcGuayErr. That guy reported the bug. Me = too slow.
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15:11:34LambdaCalculus37The forums are working just fine. But the main site seems to have gone kaput again. :/
15:11:42B4gderI shut it down
15:11:46B4gderwait
15:11:59*LambdaCalculus37 takes out a Slinky and plays with it while he waits
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15:25:38B4gder15:08 my time, there was a helluva lot of 'rm -rf *' processes owned by the web server...
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15:27:02kugelrockbox.org down again? :(
15:27:25B4gdersometimes you just want to cry and go home
15:28:10LambdaCalculus37Why the hell is the web server wiping itself?
15:28:15B4gderit doesn't
15:28:21B4gdersomeone found a way to insert the command
15:28:30LambdaCalculus37:(
15:28:43B4gderand a little too much data was writable by the server user
15:29:13*LambdaCalculus37 hopes there's another backup
15:29:45LambdaCalculus37Maybe you guys should run the server with FreeBSD.
15:29:46*LambdaCalculus37 runs
15:30:29Tuplanollauhm, does the e280v2 support msc or only mtp mode with usb?
15:30:52LambdaCalculus37The e200v2 doesn't even work with Rockbox.
15:31:20Tuplanollayeah, i know but is it only mtp?
15:31:27B4gderwell, getting back a backup is useless if the person will wipe it again in 2 minutes
15:31:32kugelTuplanolla: this channel is about rockbox
15:31:48B4gderie we need to find the hole
15:31:57Tuplanollakugel: ah, sorry, community then ->
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15:47:32Gartralwhats wrong with the siye?
15:47:44Gartralsite*
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15:50:00Gartralis anyone else haveing trouble getting onto the website?
15:50:09B4gderit's currently taken offline
15:50:30Gartralok, why?
15:52:23B4gderbecause someone thought it was fun to wipe out the site's contents
15:52:47Gartral-_- ohh... how fun
15:52:49Nico_Pseriously, there was an intrusion?
15:53:01Gartraldude, sites down
15:53:15LambdaCalculus37Nico_P: You didn't hear the announcement of "Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!"? ;)
15:53:18GartralNico_P
15:53:20Gartral**
15:53:31B4gdernot really an intrusion but a bad enough command line ran
15:54:22*Gartral thuds his head on the table
15:55:49GodEaterB4gder: how about a temporary page saying what's going on?
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15:56:33B4gderwell, I'd rather not fire up the web server just yet
15:56:40Gartralill do it
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15:57:26Gartrali can host right here, if someone is willing to give me a temporary site
15:57:59GodEaterGartral: that would mean repointing DNS too - more hassle
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15:58:11Gartralhmm
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16:05:05*Gartral sits and tinkers with themes-
16:06:27gevaertsB4gder: any chance that whoever did this had access to the build master ssh private key?
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16:06:49B4gderno
16:07:02gevaertsgood
16:07:04B4gderall this was done with the web server's user and that doesn't have access to it
16:07:22gevaertsThat would have been more serious
16:07:28B4gderyes
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16:09:03panois rockbox.org down?
16:09:07XavierGryes
16:09:19LambdaCalculus37Give it time to come back.
16:09:32panowell i can't do anything lse, right?^^
16:10:03panoi just wanted to grab the source
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16:11:51*B4gder jumps
16:12:01B4gderwhoa, now what is playing tricks on me?
16:12:13panoyour mind?^^
16:12:14*B4gder checks http://download.rockbox.org/ and gets a apache welcome page
16:12:40*LambdaCalculus37 checks but gets a filesystem listing
16:12:49B4gderone of the mirrors must be mad
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16:12:55petursomebody at the hosting company is reusing the server for something else?
16:13:15Nibblernice .htaccess.... strange ppl out there :)
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16:13:41panolets hope rockbox will be up soon
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16:15:22scotty_007B4gder: apache? i get a listing of "/" created by lighttpd... strange
16:15:34Gartralapache
16:15:42panoApache 2 Test Page
16:15:42panopowered by CentOS
16:15:49B4gderthere are three servers using a round robin dns entry
16:15:52panothis is what i get to see
16:15:56LambdaCalculus37I see "lighttpd/1.4.13" at the bottom of the page.
16:16:15Gartralsame as pano
16:17:52Gartralhttp://build.rockbox.org/ <−− gives the main site
16:18:04Gartrali wasnt expecting it
16:18:07B4gderstay calm
16:18:09Gartralbt it worked
16:18:12Gartrallol
16:18:21JdGordonB4gder: the phrase is "Dont Panic"
16:18:35scotty_007all 3 servers at the same time? may be apple or creative are involved? ;-)
16:18:36B4gderwe have far too much visitors
16:18:45B4gdercasually trying to browse the log is impossible
16:18:46pondlifeJdGordon: "DON'T PANIC" you mean...
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16:20:07Gartralthe forums are good
16:20:32linuxstbThe forums are on a different server in a different continent
16:21:04Gartralahh
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16:21:36Gartralwiki's botched completely
16:21:50kugelJdGordon: Are you fine again?
16:22:07panoflyspray is working!
16:22:08JdGordonyes, but too busy with uni for rockbox :(
16:22:20JdGordonunless you wanna do my assignemntes?
16:22:25panohey are you THAT kugel?;-)
16:22:29Gartralhttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
16:22:37Gartralworks*
16:22:45kugelJdGordon: Of course!
16:23:02svpeis anyone currently still working on the 'new' creative zen using a flash as storage? i don't want to redo any work that's already been done :-)
16:23:07kugelpano: depends on which kugel you're referring to
16:23:17panorockbox-lounge^^
16:23:25kugelthen yes
16:23:29panoah^^
16:23:47B4gdersvpe: there's a forum thread for the creative zen work that probably is the best place to read up on recent work
16:23:53panoi was using your build, but recently started compiling my own
16:23:55Gartralmailing lists are working
16:24:13B4gdermailing lists are mail, not web ;-)
16:24:23panoi missed some patches^^
16:24:45Gartralmalinglist front page then :P
16:25:28kugelpano: sounds nice
16:25:29svpeB4gder: yea, i read it. didn't find any new posts since a couple of weeks so i was just going to ask in here if you knew about anyone still working on it.
16:25:47kugelpano: but anyway, custom builds are unsupported and thus off-topic here
16:25:54panosry^^
16:25:59B4gdersvpe: afaik, they're undermanned with people actually working on stuff
16:26:01panoim pretty new to irc and stuff
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16:26:45panoi was asking myself if anyone is working on support for XM files
16:27:23gevaertsAnd what did you answer to yourself?
16:27:28LambdaCalculus37Site's up again. :)
16:27:55Gartralyay, you beat me too it
16:28:16panoand I did'nt have an answer^^
16:28:36svpeB4gder: ok, i guess i'm going to start with the information in the wiki and the forum then and take a look at creative's firmware. :)
16:28:47Gartralso, just wondering, how long was the site down?
16:29:03B4gderalmost 1:20
16:29:27soapB4gder, did you get my PM the other day?
16:29:30B4gderwhich in my book is insanely short time
16:29:43B4gdersoap: I did yes, but I haven't worked it in yet!
16:29:49soapno problem
16:30:13scotty_007some pages are still down −−> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex −−> gives "Internal Server Error"
16:30:25B4gdertwiki is not restored properly I think
16:30:48Gartralthe wiki is completely down
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16:31:11pondlifeIRC logs for 2nd-6th Sept are gone too...
16:31:23Gartralhmm
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16:38:23LambdaCalculus37Crap. :(
16:39:05*dionoea has IRC logs if needed
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16:39:39B4gderthanks, but I think I'll get them back in a while
16:41:27MarcGuaysoap: Any luck opening your c100? Was the reason to open it to find out what version/model it is?
16:41:50soapMarcGuay, I've been busy - remind me in 8-10 hours and I'll do it.
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16:42:58MarcGuaysoap: I was just going to suggest that if the only reason you want to crack it open is to find out what version it is, you could just apply that patch that was in the tracker for a bit and if the NAND ID is 0000, it's a Triflash.
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16:45:16MarcGuaythis one, to be specific: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9096. I had a test-patch before that checked the Triflash and returned a inited state that I think would confirm that it's of that type as well but I'm having trouble with my VM so it'll have to wait.
16:46:17kugelgevaerts: I guess you read my mail, but you didn't answer
16:46:56gevaertskugel: indeed. I still need to do that :)
16:51:21MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Have any time to look over the telechips Triflash stuff?
16:52:14gevaertskugel: I'm not too sure about pictureflow, as I've never used it and I have no idea what it should do. How serious are the bugs?
16:53:12*pondlife wishes that FlySpray had the Patches subdivided into "Patches - New Features" and "Patches - Bug Fixes"....
16:53:17kugelwell, as serious as bugs in plugins can be, I guess
16:53:41kugelyou can read through the task, it's explained there
16:53:51gevaertsI mean, does it display wrong things in corner cases, or does it crash the player in normal usage?
16:54:03kugelcommitting the bug fixes would close a couple of but reports at ince
16:54:09LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: I haven't had a chance to.
16:54:14kugelno, it doesn't crash
16:54:27LambdaCalculus37I've been trying to iron out some more stuff in the manual.
16:55:22gevaertsCan some people quickly look at the latest patch in FS #8641 ? It looks obviously correct to me, and as it fixes a freeze I think it should go into 3.0
16:55:55scotty_007gevaerts: there are two non-critical bugs in PF that are fixed as part of FS #8335. in v10 they are separated
16:57:21kugelscotty_007: but the zoom menu is still misstitled
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16:58:11LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: I have no objections to the patch.
16:58:21kugelalso, I consider tracklist being dependant on fps/album title shown in terms of height and position as a bugfix too
16:58:27gevaertsI'd rather not commit non-crash fixes to 3.0 right now
16:58:54LambdaCalculus37How about to the regular trunk, then?
16:59:11kugelgevaerts: and I'd rather not keep known bugs in the release if a fix is available and tested
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16:59:50kugelI don't understand why you fear about fixing bugs for the release
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17:00:05gevaertskugel: you may be right, but while I feel confident about the doom fix I don't feel as confident about the pictureflow fixes, and I don't have time to look very hard into it
17:00:25B4gderbecause committing something that makes it unstable now would be rather contra productive
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17:00:45LambdaCalculus37kugel: If you want, why not test the fixes? If you think anything is wrong with them, then try fixing them and posting a new version of the patch.
17:00:56gevaertsSo if someone else who knows pictureflow well thinks those fixes are obviously correct, I won't oppose committing them, but I won't do it
17:01:01kugelLambdaCalculus37: As i already mentioned, the fixes are tested
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17:01:29*gevaerts will commit the doom one though
17:01:48kugelIf you like to, I seperate the new features and the bugs, make a new task for the bug fixes only and you could look into that one
17:01:50LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: All yours. :)
17:02:19*LambdaCalculus37 can't access SVN from work, anyway
17:03:08gevaertskugel: the point is, we want to release soon, within the next 48 hours (or 24 preferably). That means _nothing_ goes in unless we're really sure that it doesn't introduce new bugs.
17:03:08LambdaCalculus37kugel: Did you give FS #8641 a test?
17:03:27kugelLambdaCalculus37: yes
17:03:29kugelit works
17:03:34LambdaCalculus37Okay.
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17:04:39kugelgevaerts: But again, the bug fixes are tested, I can say for sure that they don't introduce new bugs
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17:06:34kugelgevaerts: I'd say commit pf_album_title_v10.fixes.diff + fix the misstitled zoom menu (a really trivial fix)
17:06:38gevaertskugel: I won't commit bugfixes to 3.0 if I don't fully understand them. It's as simple as that
17:07:11kugelOk, then release with known bugs reported like ages ago
17:07:45kugelI fully understand them, but I understand that you don't trust me
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17:10:12gevaertskugel: if you want the fixes in, I'd suggest asking a committer who actually knows the code, like Nico_P (he seems to have done most commits on it)
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17:10:52kugelNico_P: :)
17:11:14Nico_PI might have a little time to commit the bugfixes this evening
17:11:26Nico_Pjust those though
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17:14:00hansebengerhello together ;)
17:14:13gevaertsNow I have a new problem. The patch in FS #8641 was suggested by jhMikeS, but the actual patch file was uploaded by someone else. This is a one liner patch. Do I update CREDITS or not?
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17:15:57kugelNico_P: I'd like to change the config struct in pf (so that the fps setting is actually a setting and kept). But a settings struct in pf means that the user needs to delete the pf folder. Is this ok? If yes, I'd change the settings struct further (for upcoming features), so that the pf folder doesn't need to be delete once more when the features go in
17:15:59*gevaerts decides not, as jhMikeS actually literally said what the line should be
17:16:54hansebengeris here a channel for the sansa player's ? or all in one chat window?
17:17:07B4gderhansebenger: one big happy channel!
17:17:28hansebengerok thx ;) and sorry for my english ^^
17:17:35LambdaCalculus37This channel is for Rockbox.
17:17:45hansebengerah ok thanks
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17:21:40pixelmapictureflow has another minor flow on c200 due to PLA - you can't go downwards through the track list of an album, pressing the down button just exits the list. Not a major thing, it wouldn't be a reason to disable it on c200 for me.
17:21:58pixelmaeh... it has a *flaw...
17:22:38*gevaerts plays games on his c200
17:22:54scotty_007pixelma: that's a known bug (FS #9331) and a fix is ready
17:23:43pixelmaI'd rather see PLA removed there
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17:27:40gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: do you want a list of plugins that don't have a manual entry, or is that out of scope for your planned fixes?
17:28:31scotty_007kugel: working on FS #8335 ATM?
17:28:41kugelscotty_007: yea
17:28:48LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Sure, send me a list.
17:29:06kugelscotty_007: should I include 9331?
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17:29:10gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: ok. I don't have it yet, but I will have one later
17:29:18LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Okay.
17:29:45scotty_007kugel: has ist's own task and should stay there, I think
17:30:02scotty_007kugel there's a compiler warnig
17:30:10kugel?
17:30:26scotty_007kugel: (not when compiling the sim, but for arm)
17:30:41kugelwhich patch?
17:31:45MarcGuaygevaerts, LambdaCalculus37: The ManualToDo page could use some attention. It would at least be a good place to put that list.
17:32:11gevaertsMarcGuay: ok. As good a place as any
17:32:19scotty_007kugel: FS #8335. the warning can be avoided by making the "album_name_bottom" case in the switch statement in line 1816 the default
17:32:50MarcGuayErr, wiki is down, forgotted.
17:33:06LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: I almost forgot we had that page. :P
17:33:24kugelscotty_007: the album title will not be part of the bug fix version
17:34:28scotty_007kugel: yeah, but if you are working on the patch, you could fix this also. or I could upload a version 11.1
17:35:08kugelwhat is the warning specifically?
17:35:29scotty_007kugel: ‘height’ may be used uninitialized in this function
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17:35:51scotty_007but it never will, because all three options are in the cases
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17:36:00kugelwell, that doesn't sound like making one case default is a real fix
17:36:07scotty_007kugel: just bad style, sorry
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17:36:42scotty_007kugel: but there's no warning anymore
17:37:38kugelinitializing height with LCD_HEIGHT sounds better to me
17:37:54kugelbut I don't care
17:38:10kugelif you make it default, then add a comment
17:43:17pixelmascotty_007: personal opinion though - I don't think adding an exception there is the "correct" fix and I wouldn't want to see it in the (development) trunk. Maybe it could go into the release branch as a quick solution if it doesn't break other things or other targets (doesn't look like it but I'm always a bit skeptical when it comes to plugin button actions... :\
17:45:34*kugel wonders why pf is only for color targets, and not all targets supporting album art
17:45:41hansebengerany new news for the sansa e260v2 ;) ?
17:45:56kugelhansebenger: follow the forum thread
17:46:07kugeleverything new will be there first
17:46:42hansebengerin the forum thread one people says that it's easyer to talk about it in the irc so sry ;)
17:47:05scotty_007pixelma: it's done the same way for SCROLLWHEEL targets
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17:48:22pixelmawhat good will exceptions, another exception and exceptions of exceptions bring?
17:49:36gevaertshansebenger: easier to talk about development, not to ask about status...
17:50:02hansebengerok you are right ;)
17:50:28hansebengerim just interessted in that stuff and just want to hear good news ^^
17:50:45GodEaterwe don't keep secrets here and not post them in the forums you know
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17:51:41hansebengerof cause not ... but developing is verry interessting, too
17:51:46GodEaterthe only time you'd hear it here first is if you were here at the *exact* moment something happened. The forum thread would be updated moments later.
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17:52:29hansebenger^^
17:52:48hansebengeris here anyone from germany exact me btw?
17:52:51B4gderwell, the rare dances from developer joy tend to only appear here ;-)
17:53:12LambdaCalculus37As well as all of the celebration beer drinking. ;)
17:53:17svpehansebenger: yea, i'm from germany too. i don't think that really belong to here though :)
17:53:26svpe*belongs
17:53:48dionoeaanyone object to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9368 ?
17:54:04hansebengerright i just thaught about more people from germany so it's easyer to understand this stuff ;)
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17:56:01kugelhansebenger: on www.rockbox-lounge.com you'll find more german rockbox'ers. But lets stop off topic chat
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17:58:54pixelmadionoea: I thought I read that kugel had some problems with a WPS and this patch in his build (not sure though)
17:59:10dionoeaah, I must have missed that
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18:01:13kugeldionoea: Well, it fixed itself by a svn up
18:01:26kugelI have no idea why, but the wps are working now
18:01:27dionoeaweird :/
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18:10:12domonokyhm,is the wiki down ?
18:10:58Daniel17I own an iaudi7, how can I install rockbox on it? I don´t know how to handle a diff...
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18:11:49domonokyDaniel17: then, you have to wait a bit longer.. iaudio7 isnt ready for non-developer use, i think..
18:11:52LambdaCalculus37Daniel17: The iAudio7 port is still too early in development for everyday use.
18:12:50Daniel17I know, but I would give it a try...
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18:15:33amiconnkugel: It is because nobody bothered porting pictureflow to greyscale
18:15:34Daniel17I found this page http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9245 , may I could help with bug tracing!
18:15:57gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: I just put a list of issues for c200 on FS #9376, including manual issues
18:16:08amiconnJust using core bmp support would probably look ugly, 'cause that just does ordered dither to 2bpp
18:16:18kugelamiconn: Of course, that's always a reason
18:16:47linuxstbDaniel17: You don't need a diff any more - it's committed to Rockbox SVN. If you want, you build it like any other Rockbox target (select iaudio 7 from the configure menu), and then transfer it to your device using tcctool. The Rockbox wiki has lots of instructions for compiling Rockbox, and there's also a page specifically for the iaudio 7.
18:17:05amiconnSo it'd require using the greylib, and hence writing a bmp loader for plugins that converts to 8bpp as needed by the greylib
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18:18:11Daniel17yes, thanks! I haven´t tried this before...is it possible, that the wiki is down?
18:18:37gevaertsspacerocks definitely needs to be either fixed or disabled on at least c200. It reliably crashes within a minute.
18:18:50amiconneh?
18:20:33gevaertsI just press up to accelerate, and after a while it freezes, sometimes with lcd corruption (random noise, would make a nice demo)
18:20:41LambdaCalculus37Does Pacbox even work on the c200?
18:20:55gevaertsIt doesn't seem to be included
18:21:03LambdaCalculus37It's listed in the c200 manual, but there's no keymap defined.
18:21:32gevaertsIndeed. I need to add that to my list of issues
18:22:22gevaertsMy spacerocks could be FS #8926
18:22:23amiconnI don't think pacbox makes sense on the c200. The screen is too small
18:22:54LambdaCalculus37amiconn: It's not in the plugin list on the c200, so it has to be excluded from the c200 manual.
18:23:28amiconnyep
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18:26:14MarcGuayDaniel17: Yes, the wiki is broken at the moment.
18:28:27Daniel17When do you think is it possible to use rockbox with iaudio7 stable?
18:28:41linuxstbWhen all the problems are solved...
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18:34:45gevaertsAny opinions on which player I should try next to find unusable plugins?
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18:35:35LambdaCalculus37How about the Gigabeat S?
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18:35:58gevaertsNot in 3.0
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18:37:06bertrikI consider md5sum plugin basically unuseable, by default it md5s the entire disk which takes very long (>10min) and is not interruptable
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18:37:48*gevaerts agrees
18:37:51funmankugel: so you got a fuze ?
18:37:52PaulJambertrik: there is a patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9209
18:38:02kugelfunman: yes
18:38:13funmannice :)
18:38:46funmandid you look a bit more at the differences between the other firmwares and yours ?
18:38:49gevaertsbertrik: maybe I (or you) should just remove it from SOURCES in 3.0. If someone disagrees I'm sure we'll hear the shouting
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18:39:26kugelfunman: apparently there's a difference because amsinfo fails, the header is the same though
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18:40:10funmandid you try adding some sanity checks before using printf("%s",somewhere_in_the_file); ?
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18:40:55kugelfunman: i think the padding of the library blocks is different
18:41:16LambdaCalculus37Regarding the manual entry for disktidy: should I mention that the settings are stored in .rockbox/rocks/apps/disktidy.config, in case people want to modify the file to add more system garbage files?
18:41:47kugelLambdaCalculus37: can't files added with the gui too?
18:42:06funmankugel: in the beginning I assumed padding blocks were filled with 0xff or 0xdeadbeef but now it seems some are filled with random values
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18:42:24funmanmaybe an evolution of the software they use to generate firmwares ?
18:43:30gevaertsdionoea: any objections to disabling md5sum for 3.0?
18:43:36kugelfunman: a library block is always 0x200?
18:43:44kugel+big
18:43:53funmanno it's bigger
18:43:59funmanthe size is specified in the header
18:44:07kugelyea, i mean the header
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18:44:24funmanyou can also use (end_address - start_address)
18:44:25kugelthe header is 0x200 big? padded with something?
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18:44:42funmanthe library header is 0x1c bytes iirc
18:44:57funmanbut the size is variable since there is a tab of function pointers
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18:45:54kugelthe wiki information of the firmware format regarding the library headers and blocks could be somewhat extended
18:46:02funmanyes it needs an update :/
18:46:14dionoeagevaerts: no. Feel free to do so (in trunk too)
18:46:14funmanthe forum thread has more infos
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18:46:39funmandid you take a look at the ext.c file I posted ?
18:47:25funmanshow_lib() analyzes a library block
18:47:43gevaertsdionoea: I'll leave it in trunk for now. I mainly want to clean up the release right now
18:47:50dionoeaoki
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18:48:00dionoeafunman: congrats on the 2nd brick!
18:48:39kugelfunman: I've read through the whole thread twice, but it gets confusing at some point, since gpio tests and firmware disassembly is parallel then
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18:49:40funmandionoea: I have a brand new one clip in the hands
18:49:47kugelfunman: how to compile it? just gcc ext.c -o ext?
18:49:59funmankugel: yes
18:50:07funmankugel: feel free to ask me details
18:50:08dionoeafunman: you should buy a pack of those :)
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18:51:11jeroen-hi folks
18:51:20dionoeabtw, does sansa accept broken clips if you send it back for repair/replacement?
18:51:26jeroen-maybe you know allready, but did you know your wiki is broken?
18:51:53jeroen-the Rockbox Utility should be on there
18:51:56kugelfunman: output looks promising
18:51:57dionoeajeroen-: yes, the webserver had some issues today and it's not completely fixed
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18:52:07amiconnbertrik: 10 min is very long? /me needs to try md5sum on archos...
18:52:09funmandionoea: the shop just replaced my not functional clip without questions
18:52:16dionoeanice of them :)
18:52:21jeroen-dionoea: can I download the Rockbox Utility somewhere else?
18:52:45dionoeajeroen-: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/ maybe. I'm not sure if it's up to date though
18:52:49*gevaerts just managed to crash metronome on H120
18:53:10jeroen-2008-Jul-06
18:53:31jeroen-dionoea: is the date of the most recent linux version
18:53:33funmankugel: do you have a test for gpio ?
18:53:49gevaertsjeroen-: 1.0.6 is the latest
18:53:52domonokyyes thats the palce where the rbutil-binarys are. just use the newest one (1.0.6)
18:53:53bertrikamiconn, I never waited any longer than about 10 minutes, I estimate an md5 throughput on e200 of about 1 MB/s, so more like > 1 hr for 4 GB
18:54:02jeroen-gevaerts: yes thats the one
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18:54:23kugelfunman: no, not yet
18:54:46funmanI can give you one if you want, I have a collection :)
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18:55:07kugelfunman: also, I'm not entirely sure how to do that (I haven't done such things before ever, but I'm willing to risk the player)
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18:55:22*domonoky thinks that our new theme site wont be ready for 3.0, right ? so should i disable the theme installing in rbutil temporary ?
18:56:07jeroen-must I first unmount my ipod
18:56:24jeroen-it says 'could not open ipod'
18:56:37domonokyjeroen-: no, but it needs root rights..
18:56:41kugelfunman: the tools give some 100-1000 unknown files
18:56:41jeroen-ah
18:56:50jeroen-is that save?
18:57:17domonokyjeroen-: to be exact, it needs raw disc access.. so you could also change the permissions in the syste
18:57:25funmankugel: changing the firmware is easy as copying a file specially named on the partition
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18:57:44funmankugel: first of all you should look if you can access a hardware recovery mode, like in the e200 model
18:57:48jeroen-domonoky: so changing the permisson of /dev/etc
18:58:00funman(yes there can be a lot of unknown blocks, just rm unknown*)
18:58:08kugelfunman: ok, then I'll open it and look for 2 pins near the nand, correct?
18:58:17funmanwell no
18:58:49funmanfinding the right pins can be complex, and you can short pins directly on the nand, it's faster and 100% effective and safe
18:59:03domonokyjeroen-: i think the right way would be to add your user to the right user-group... but i dont really know how todo this, as i develop rbutil on windows :-)
18:59:10LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Here?
18:59:16funmanas long as you contact the right ones: there is 2 groups of 8 consecutive pins you can short on one side of the nand
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18:59:25funmanand each side has 24 pins connected, let me find the schema
18:59:44domonokyjeroen-: so the easiest is just to run it as root.
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19:00:11pixelmagevaerts: it crashes on h100? I'm a bit surprised because AFAIK the developer writing the last big update for it develops on a H100... also - metronome has issues with the controls on the Player and Ondio too
19:00:26pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: yes, as you can see ;)
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19:00:43gevaertspixelma: it crashes on h100 and h300 if you tap very fast.
19:00:50LambdaCalculus37pixelma: If you have your Ondio nearby, can you start a game of Chopper and tell me which button controls the chopper?
19:00:57LambdaCalculus37I'm writing a manual entry for it.
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19:01:09gevaertspixelma: does it even build on player and ondio? According to SOURCES it's SWCODEC
19:01:29pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: Up and Mode (off the top of my head)
19:01:41LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Thanks.
19:01:48pixelmagevaerts: ? I enabled it again once...
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19:02:23pixelmait's just excluded from the hwcodec target sims
19:02:32funmanhttp://www.s1mp3.org/images/mem_chip.png it's 2 groups of 4 pins
19:02:45funmanyou can also short we and wp if you're precise
19:03:00funmanor ce (9 & 10)
19:03:05pixelmagevaerts: and it is in a current Ondio build
19:03:35jeroen-yeah works :-)
19:03:49jeroen-themes cant be downloaded
19:04:15kugelso, if I short the 2x4 group pings, which would work?
19:04:21LambdaCalculus37Does Chopper build on the m:robe?
19:04:29kugelanyway, I first need to find a way to open this damn thing :)
19:04:53domonokyjeroen-: jup, thats known (we are working on a replacement theme site).. use the WPS gallery in the wiki for additional Themes ..
19:04:56pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: m:robe100?
19:05:00LambdaCalculus37Yes.
19:05:58pixelmacan't see a reason it wouldn't - and it is in a current m:robe100 build... ;)
19:07:13LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Just making sure. ;)
19:07:26*LambdaCalculus37 wants to be safe rather than sorry
19:07:31kugelNico_P: I've prepared a pf patch
19:07:52funmankugel: just short 2 of them, and plug it on the usb (device off) while being sure of your shorting (might need some attempts)
19:08:04funmanthen the OS will detect a new usb device, different from the normal one
19:08:08pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: you can quickly look into the builds yourself
19:08:22funmanlook in the dmesg output to know the size, if it's not 512 bytes but some MB, you have hardware recovery
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19:08:40kugelI still fail at opening
19:09:22pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: speaking of making sure - I remembered correctly about the chopper controls on Ondio
19:09:29pixelmajust gave it a try
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19:09:45funmankugel: chainsaw
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19:10:33funmandid you look at anythingbutipod ?
19:10:37kugelyea
19:11:04kugelit says "pry open and pop the clips", nothing specific but using pure violence
19:11:34LambdaCalculus37pixelma: All right, I just added the Ondio controls into the chopper manual entry.
19:11:39funmanif you use incremental force, chances are that you only break the plastic case
19:12:00*kugel wants his screws back
19:12:33funmanjust use a knife and see how much you can open it with the same force, you should see where are the clips
19:13:40kugeli know where the clips are
19:13:59funmanhit it hard :)
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19:14:32funmanhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/44596/ < button test code with a delay
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19:15:09funmanyou can try the gpiod pin7 as output (it's the led on e200 and clip) but no warrany it doesn't break the device
19:15:17LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Regarding FS #8376, what's wrong with the clock plugin's manual entry?
19:17:15kugelmeh, that was not good, now it's taken some visible damage
19:18:03*LambdaCalculus37 also notices that Jackpot is still Player-only, but the plugin is in terrible shape on other platforms
19:18:35funmanscience will thank you :)
19:18:51funmanI'm going out, you can highlight me for when I'm back
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19:20:51pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: maybe it should have stayed Player only
19:21:04LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I agree.
19:21:28LambdaCalculus37Until we can build a better version for other targets, we should revert it back to being Player-only.
19:21:33kugelfunman: got it!
19:21:50LambdaCalculus37It's very slow, there's no proper keymapping, and it's hard to exit once you launch it.
19:22:08funmanthe recovery ? (in fact I transfer some music to my new sansa before leaving)
19:22:56kugelno, I opened it
19:24:08Nico_Pkugel: where can I get the patch?
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19:25:51kugelNico_P: http://pastebin.ca/1197376
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19:28:40kugelNico_P: it fixes: misstitled zoom entry, fps setting not saved, fps overlapping tracklist, tracklist not refreshing on and tracklist missing 1 song
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19:30:24Nico_Pkugel: thanks
19:31:29kugelNico_P: but it also includes unrelated changes to the settings struct, as I already mentioned some hours ago. This is isn't a functional change, but saves a deletion of the pf folder when the features of FS #8335 come in
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19:35:18pixelmathis reminds me of another pf bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9135
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19:36:52LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, I had mentioned that one once before.
19:37:16gevaertspixelma: the logic expression parser in my brain seems broken. It is indeed included
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19:39:13pixelmahope you can fix it soonish :) - but that exclusion from hwcodec target sims is not easy to read (not my invention)
19:39:20kugelfunman: I've successfully opened it now and can look at the NAND
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19:43:27gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: have a look at the c200 manual for clock : the buttons are not filled in properly
19:44:08LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Okay, I'll fix that up.
19:44:14kugelfunman: Any advice on how to bridge them properly?
19:44:27gevaertspixelma: do you know of any other targets than c200, player and ondio where the metronome buttons are broken?
19:44:39mcuelenaeresvpe: you're interested in porting the Creative ZEN?
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19:46:15svpemcuelenaere: yes
19:46:24pixelmagevaerts: no, but I am not sure. I think I tried on my M5 and the controls worked as expected but that's a while ago already.
19:46:28mcuelenaeresvpe: what experience do you have?
19:46:46gevaertsok. I'll start by disabling it for those then
19:47:11svpemcuelenaere: C and arm assembler/reversing should be the relevant parts :)
19:47:22mcuelenaeregood :)
19:47:29mcuelenaerewhat do you already know about the ZEN?
19:47:34mcuelenaereor about the Creative firmware part?
19:47:40mcuelenaerehave you read the CreativeZVMPort wiki page?
19:47:48mcuelenaerebrb
19:47:51pixelmapetur: did you read amiconn's comment regarding the plugin API last night?
19:48:05peturpixelma: no
19:48:48pixelmahttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080907#22:59:45
19:49:43peturhmmm so I should have upped the version nr
19:50:01peturthat teaches us exporting that whole struct in one blob
19:50:33svpemcuelenaere: i just managed to decrypt the firmware using zen_utils yet. didn't have time to actually take a look at it yet. and no, i didn't read the ZVMPort page (yet).
19:50:54kugelfunman: ping....
19:51:04gevaertsBagder: I get an internal server error on http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-3.0RC/buildall.pl.txt
19:51:48*amiconn would have done r18451 slightly different
19:51:59amiconn(not really important)
19:52:49mcuelenaeresvpe: good, you know there are Linux sources for a similar SoC as the Creative ZEN?
19:52:50gevaertsamiconn: -1 on the next line?
19:53:28amiconnyep
19:53:32kugelNico_P: The patch was meant for 3.0
19:53:33mcuelenaeresvpe: btw, you won't need to really worry about the 'firmware packaging', as mkzenboot is designed to be multi-target friendly
19:54:05Nico_Pkugel: yes, I'll be committing it there as soon as I get the build table results
19:54:06mcuelenaeresvpe: if you use IDA, I believe there's a plugin loader available for it
19:54:08Bagdergevaerts: I renamed the scripts and now they should work
19:54:15mcuelenaere(which parses the structure correctly)
19:54:20kugelalso, anyone should close the tasks fixed by the patch
19:54:27gevaertsBagder: thanks
19:54:32Nico_Pkugel: which ones are those?
19:55:01svpemcuelenaere: hm.. i already wrote my own small loader to get the firmware loaded. and i think i saw the link to the linux sources.
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19:55:22mcuelenaeresvpe: could you give the sources for that? (pastebin?)
19:55:39mcuelenaereand you say 'to get the fw loaded', how far did you get?
19:56:06mcuelenaereah sorry, misunderstood you
19:56:15mcuelenaereI thought you meant to get the fw loaded on the player
19:56:17svpeoh, to get the fw loaded = loaded it to IDA
19:56:51mcuelenaerebut anyway, could you give sources for it? (it's always handy to know if you improved the current version)
19:57:10kugelNico_P: Ah, they already have been closed
19:57:18Nico_Palright
19:57:31Nico_PI've committed to 3.0 too now
19:57:33kugelNico_P: but this one isn't present anymore http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8306
19:57:38mcuelenaeresvpe: if you have any (other) questions, ask me (I'm the ZVM guy)
19:57:58svpeuhm.. it's a dirty hack in idapython that doesn't actually parse the file, so i doubt that i improved anything, heh
19:58:00kugelahh nevermind
19:58:04kugelI got the task wrong
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19:58:27kugeleven though the guy says it has been fixed
19:58:28mcuelenaereahh I didn't know about the existance of IDApython..
19:58:39amiconnThis cfs thing on zvm looks just weird...
19:59:09amiconnmcuelenaere: Perhaps you could make the driver a little faster by using bitshifts instead of /64, %64 and *64
19:59:12Nico_Pkugel: do you think I should close FS #8306 ?
19:59:40mcuelenaereamiconn: it isn't optimized yet
19:59:45mcuelenaereactually, it isn't even tested
19:59:48Nico_Pamiconn: doesn't the compiler take care of that?
19:59:48amiconnEven if the compiler picks this possible optimisation, it'll add correction code for signed operation
19:59:49scotty_007kugel, Nico_P: the patch from the pastebin seems to smash the tracklist if there are more tracks than visible
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20:00:00svpei'm going to take a look at the fw and the ZVM stuff this we and i'll pm you with any questions :-)
20:00:22scotty_007kugel, Nico_P: (seen in ipodcolor-sim)
20:00:33Nico_P:(
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20:00:37kugelscotty_007: ?
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20:00:47kugelwhat do you mean by smash?
20:01:02kugelit moves it down depending on the fps setting, that's all I've changed
20:01:08mcuelenaeresvpe: http://www.mediafire.com/?kwt1asozvrg (ZenLDR = IDA loader; equals the one from the wiki)
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20:01:31amiconnAh, no, the involved variables are unsigned.
20:01:35scotty_007kugel, Nico_P: the tracklist is empty
20:01:59mcuelenaereamiconn: does that mean bitshift doesn't optimize stuff?
20:02:01svpethanks, i'll take a look at it
20:02:06amiconnAnyway, imho it's better to explicitly tell the compiler what you want instead of relying on automatic optimisation (in such cases)
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20:02:22kugelscotty_007: it's not. my 20 songs album shows 15 at the same time, and is working as expected
20:02:38amiconnmcuelenaere: It might or might not, depending on whether gcc found this possible optimisation itself
20:03:16mcuelenaeresvpe: if you get to the part where you want to upload a firmware to the device, either use CreativeWizard (Windows only), use mkzenboot or write a tool yourself
20:03:18amiconnIt certainly won't make things worse
20:03:33kugelscotty_007: are you sure your database is properly initialized? It's working for me
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20:03:57mcuelenaereamiconn: do you see anything else that could make the code not work? (stack overflow, ... ?)
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20:04:03mcuelenaerebecause I tested it briefly and it didn't work
20:04:10svpei guess i'll use mkzenboot then. don't have a windows machine around and don't really want to rewrite something that already exists and works :)
20:04:18mcuelenaereit hanged at printf("CFS start is at 0x%x",..);
20:04:43mcuelenaeresvpe: mkzenboot will make a full fw package though
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20:04:48kugelNico_P: I don't know what scotty_007 is talking about, it's working
20:04:52mcuelenaereperhaps you should use zenutils (forgot to mention that)
20:04:55gevaertsCan people try spacerocks on various players? It crashes after a while on c200, there's a bug report about e200, but I don't know about others
20:05:23svpeah well, i guess i have time to think about that when i actually have something useful i can upload to the player.
20:05:55gevaertsI have a vague suspicion that it will crash more easily on smaller screens
20:06:30funmankugel: flat screwdriver
20:07:16scotty_007if i have more tracks than track to show, <titletxt_y> in show_track_list() increases endlessly
20:08:35kugelscotty_007: only once, it's outside of the for-loop
20:08:44kugelhave you actually tried it?
20:08:52scotty_007kugel: compiling a version for my real device to check it there....
20:09:13scotty_007kugel: as said: seen iin the ipodcolor-sim
20:10:05pixelmagevaerts: will try
20:10:25kugelfunman: do I need to have the scrollwheel and LCD connected to test it?
20:11:32pixelmagevaerts: I also remembered that I get crashes of ZXBox after some seconds on my M5 only and only when sound is enabled, I'm not sure if it's a coldfire or a greylib thing)
20:11:35kugelscotty_007: I tested on the e200 sim
20:11:40pixelmagevaerts: or both
20:13:24gevaertspixelma: I'll test on h100 and x5
20:13:42LambdaCalculus37pixelma and gevaerts: I'll also test on c200.
20:14:17*LambdaCalculus37 is unsure of the working status of zxbox on the c200
20:14:33pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: well I didn't get this crash on my c200 but the sound wasn't recognisable - on M5 it was
20:14:43amiconnMaybe it's a voice thing?
20:14:58amiconnpixelma: Did you try this with voice enabled on the M5?
20:15:23pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: it works but you need something with big graphics or you already have the program set up right
20:15:50pixelmaamiconn: I think I tried with and without and both crashed (it's been a while though)
20:16:16funmankugel: lcd yes, the return value is the fact the OF boots immediately or with a delay
20:16:41pixelmagevaerts: I can't get spacerocks to crash on my M5 or on Ondio, on my c200 I could
20:17:32LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Crashes here, too.
20:17:53*gevaerts adds some notes to FS #9376
20:17:57LambdaCalculus37On mine, the plugin just halts.
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20:19:33kugelscotty_007: works on my ipodcolor sim too
20:20:31scotty_007kugel: if you have more than 12 tracks with standard settings?
20:20:39kugelyes
20:20:42pixelmaamiconn: just tried ZXBox again on my M5 without voice but with sound enabled and it crashes after a few seconds (I remember that the time until crash differs slightly but doesn't take too long)
20:20:43kugeli have 20 tracks
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20:20:55scotty_007kugel: I have the same error on my iPodColor device
20:21:38kugelyou want a screen shot showing the list?
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20:21:54kugelhave you tried different albums?
20:22:42scotty_007kugel: yip, works as long as i have less than 13 tracks. i will try it again with a fresh source...
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20:25:28*amiconn wonders about this strange svn activity phenomenon
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20:29:30peturamiconn?
20:30:13amiconnWell, the feature freeze was meant for bugfixing and manual work. But during the freeze, svn activity was relatively low
20:30:40amiconnAnd today, quite a while after end of freeze all of a sudden there's high bugfixing activity
20:31:02*gevaerts only wanted to disable obviously broken plugins
20:31:31peturbtw, what was the 3.0 branch svn address?
20:32:01gevaertssvn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/v3_0
20:32:22peturthnx
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20:35:34kugelfunman: damnit, I can't insert the scrollwheel cable back in
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20:37:51funmanbe careful not use too much force, but if it came out it will go in again
20:39:18kugelit's rather short, and the plastic case is kinda blocking
20:39:25LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Before I commit some of the new manual work I did during my lunch break, I'm going to post it to FS #9376, so you can take a look through some of it.
20:39:38gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: ok
20:39:56LambdaCalculus37Actually, scratch that. I'll pastebin it instead.
20:40:02LambdaCalculus37I'll do that when I get home tonight.
20:40:12LambdaCalculus37Now that I think of it, it'll be easier. ;)
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20:45:31pixelmagevaerts: I'd prefer if ZXBox was not disabled because of that, just make sure that sound is disabled by default and document it
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20:45:53gevaertspixelma: I haven't tested yet, but I agree
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20:51:09LambdaCalculus37pixelma: I agree as well. Disabling it outright won't help, but disabling sound by default is a much more logical solution.
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20:51:46gevaertsBut we need to find out on what players it happens first
20:53:42gevaertspixelma: can you remember which tape image you used?
20:55:02pixelmaurgh, the sound option is there on Ondio as well and touching it immediately lead to an "I06: IllSltIn at 091C7A10" though it doesn't make me wonder...
20:56:10pixelmagevaerts: I tried with a few, last one was "Full Throttle", downloaded from worldofspectrum
20:56:29gevaertsok. I'll try that one as well
20:57:46pixelmahappens on all that I tried
20:57:48scotty_007kugel: tried the fixes with a fresh r18450 and r18453 and still have the same issue with the pf-tracklist. sorry, but i'm very late now and have to leave. maybe i can go into this later...
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20:59:18pixelmagevaerts: if you try on H100, you probably need that paper clip...
20:59:38MarcGuaypondlife: You were right, a quick reinstall (or "repair", actually) of VMware saved the day. Thankfully my files were maintained as well. Thanks for the tip.
20:59:43gevaertspixelma: I already have that anyway because of the metronome bug
20:59:58pixelmagood :)
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21:00:50tucozhello
21:00:57MarcGuayLambdaCalculus37: Have you got that manual fix I pointed out all ready to go or shall I take care of it now?
21:02:28tucozIs it possible to try out the wps-editor somehow?
21:02:59pixelmahi tucoz, do we need an Archos rec screen shot too? I could make one because I think it is only possible on the device...
21:03:30tucozpixelma: ah. is that while recording screen updated as well?
21:03:52pixelmasure, it has gone "user font" too :)
21:04:11tucozjeez
21:05:21domonokytucoz: you can try the wps editor, if you compile it your self.. no binarys available at moment.
21:05:38tucozdomonoky: oh, great. is it commited to svn?
21:06:09pixelmatucoz: I just realised that I could only provide half of it because the WRS shows the time in the status bar on devices with RTC...
21:06:10domonokytucoz: yes, its under utils/wpseditor.
21:06:30tucozthanks. i'll try that
21:06:32gevaertspixelma: it's not greylib. My X5L freezes as well
21:07:10domonokytucoz: but its still in early development. Any help welcome :-)
21:07:16pixelmagevaerts: interesting
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21:08:18pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: didn't you have a Recorder V1 as well?
21:08:25tucozpixelma: it is possible to take screenshots on the archoses, using the sim. Just like the rest of the targets
21:08:44tucozsimply hit f5, and the dump will end up in the archos dir
21:08:49pixelmaof the rec screen? Need to try...
21:09:01tucozsure. i just tried
21:09:05hellooHi; is the current build derived from the branch (ver3.0) or Trunk ?
21:09:19peturtrunk
21:09:21funmankugel: success ?
21:09:30helloothanks
21:09:30kugelnot yet
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21:09:53funmanmaybe a night of sleep can fix that, don't hurry ;)
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21:10:15pixelmatucoz: ah, I see. For some reason I thought that the WRS wasn't simulated on those sims. Do you take care of it then?
21:11:00tucozpixelma: yes. i'll do that. but i don't think i'll update all the other screens for the archoses
21:11:38tucozif that is necessary that is
21:11:48pixelmanice... which screens do you mean?
21:11:51funmani'll continue the bootloader, see you
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21:12:27tucozpixelma: not sure. you said that the recorders have user font now.
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21:13:08pixelmathe recording screen
21:13:25tucozok. great :) less work is nice
21:13:39tucozespecially in the screenshot department
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21:14:40pixelmaah, and the default theme cabbiev2 uses a slightly different font too (rockfont) but I don't think it is necessary to update menu screenshots of them because of that
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21:15:00gevaertsInteresting... Spacerocks just crashed my ipod video
21:15:34*gevaerts starts wondering if we have fully working plugins
21:15:37tucozpixelma: i take your word on that. we could leave that for 3.1
21:16:34pixelmagevaerts: a portalplayer issue then maybe?
21:16:52peturgevaerts: rocks can crash many things ;)
21:17:16gevaertspixelma: could be. I had to leave it for a while though, so maybe others have the same issue
21:17:33gevaertspetur: they shouldn't crash a box full of them!
21:17:35LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, I do.
21:18:19gevaertsNow my F20...
21:18:23pixelmagevaerts: are you sure that it wasn't "idle poweroff" kicking in then? I think I noticed oddities when that happens while a plugin was running
21:18:24LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: If you'd like to take care of it, go for it. I can't do it right now as I have no SVN access.
21:18:33pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: neverming
21:18:34LambdaCalculus37Well, no access from work, anyway.
21:18:41pixelmanevermind
21:18:49LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: My F10 as well.
21:18:59gevaertspixelma: it wasn't that long
21:19:05*LambdaCalculus37 doesn't have his iPod color with him right now, either.
21:19:23*shotofadds just had spacerocks throw a stkov panic on his d2 (after 5 mins or so of play)...
21:19:46tucozpixelma: looks like f5 doesn't work on the ondiofm-sim
21:19:49LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: That's longer than my c200. After ~15 seconds, spacerocks hard locked.
21:19:52*gevaerts tries again on his X5
21:20:44pixelmaI'll try again too - do I need to start it or does it also happen in the start screen?
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21:21:23gevaertsOn the ipod I wasn't actively playing. It was waiting for me to start a new game
21:21:42shotofaddspixelma: it's just crashed after 10 seconds in the start screen...
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21:22:31pixelmatucoz: works for me in an OndioFM sim
21:22:43gevaertsI'm pretty sure it's broken on arm. The question is if it works properly on coldfire
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21:23:19tucozpixelma: ok. could you commit that screenshot then?
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21:24:31gevaertsThe release notes are somewhere on the wiki, right ?
21:24:54fmldionoea: I've just put a comment to FS #9368. Any comments? Has this been thought about?
21:25:11amiconngevaerts: It also freezes on ipod photo
21:25:28amiconn(in the starting screen, when doing nothing for about 10..15 seconds)
21:25:44kugelfu
21:25:50kugelwrong key
21:25:57kugelfunman: I think I succeeded
21:26:05gevaertsSo it clearly needs to be disabled for all ARMs. I now have it running on my coldfires, let's wait and see...
21:26:07tucozpixelma: i commited the 112x64x1.png screenshot now to 3.0 and trunk
21:26:12pixelmatucoz: interesting effect - it doesn't work when the source is set to "line in" and so the lower part needs more space than on the screen
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21:26:52fmlRe FS #8894 (which was reverted but still): IMHO a very important comment was missing telling what the setting (sound_speed) means, i.e. which units it uses etc. And I also think that it's a playback setting rather than a sound setting.
21:26:55amiconngevaerts: Doesn't seem to crash on mini though
21:27:07pixelmatucoz: when the list needs a scrollbar
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21:27:57dionoeafml: replied
21:28:05fmlFS #8894 also has no manual entry which should prevent it from being committed (gevaerts ;-)
21:28:11pixelmatucoz: which explains why you Recorder screenshot worked
21:28:15pixelma*your
21:28:16tucozpixelma: a bug in the screenshot function perhaps
21:28:31gevaertsamiconn: I played for more than 5 minutes on my F20 earlier without problems the first time. When I tried again it crashed after 5 seconds
21:28:47pixelmatucoz: probably
21:28:57*gevaerts spots another bug on coldfire
21:29:03amiconntucoz: The screenshot function is very low level, and doesn't know about scroll bars and such things
21:29:21amiconngevaerts: I suspect the problem is arm in conjunction with colour screen
21:29:25*LambdaCalculus37 gets out the bug spray
21:29:49amiconnIt froze on H10 as well
21:29:58pixelmaamiconn: it is a really odd effect though, what would you suspect then?
21:30:02fmlIs notifying broken in FlySpray? An entry is shown as being watched by me but I got no mail when a comment was added.
21:30:15LambdaCalculus37This spacerocks bug is much more serious than we thought.
21:30:20*amiconn isn't even sure what the exact effect is
21:30:24gevaertsamiconn: FS #8926 seems to be about this
21:30:50pixelmafml: seems to be broken for some people, works for me though for example
21:31:18LambdaCalculus37pixelma: It worked on your M5, right?
21:31:37pixelmaspacerocks? So far it did
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21:32:01LambdaCalculus37Damn, I didn't bring my 2G iPod with me today. :/
21:32:26*LambdaCalculus37 wonders if this bug is only on color targets, and most likely it is
21:32:34fmldionoea: ah, yes. I didn't know that all the settings are listed in the manual. And I agree that the names are quite stable (but not necessarily the meaning and values :-).
21:32:56dionoeahehe ... maybe :)
21:33:37amiconnfml: Check your notification settings. I had the same problem
21:34:20fmldionoea: the debug idea is a case for a general task: in the debug mode, the wps checker should also tell exactly what's wrong. IIRC now it just tells Ok/Nok.
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21:35:27fmlamiconn: thanks! That's it!
21:35:52fmlNow somebody has to comment on a task I watch to test it :-)
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21:38:03gevaertsamiconn: I've seen strange rocks on both h320 and h120. Pictures from h320 at gevaerts/rocks1.jpg">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rocks1.jpg and http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/rocks2.jpg
21:38:27amiconnoooh, funny
21:38:42dionoeafml: telling you what's wrong adds extra complexity to the code
21:38:43*amiconn hasn't seen such strange rocks yet though
21:38:50LambdaCalculus37Abstract art, gevaerts? ;)
21:39:20*amiconn suspects some out-of-bounds access
21:39:37*gevaerts thinks that spacerocks is too buggy for release on all targets
21:39:54amiconnBtw, the ondio sim crashes when started via gdb, and that crash *includes* gdb (on cygwin)
21:41:16markungevaerts: metronome also doesn't work on the gigabeat, right?
21:41:23gevaertsThose funny rocks are unstable by the way. The lines jump between different points while rotating
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21:41:43domonokyquantum rocks :-)
21:42:02LambdaCalculus37markun: metronome works on my F.
21:42:08markunwe need anti-aliasing line drawing ;)
21:42:08gevaertsmarkun: it does work
21:42:12mahaquantum ?
21:42:16markunah, ok. Then it got fixed
21:42:52gevaertsAny objections against disabling spacerocks entirely for the release?
21:43:24LambdaCalculus37None here.
21:43:25amiconnugh. That segfault also happens in other sims
21:44:33*amiconn suspects cygwin gdb
21:51:36*gevaerts makes the 3.0 download a bit smaller
21:51:40fmldionoea: in the debug mode only of course. Then the debug mode will really be useful.
21:54:58LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: A wise move. :)
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22:05:58MarcGuay_Stupid question: What's difference between context_list and context_tree?
22:07:23MarcGuay_Also, does #ifdef HAVE_VOLUME_IN_LIST serve any purpose in the Gigabeast keymap if it's a given that it will have this set to true?
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22:08:58*kugel just bricked his fuze :S
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22:09:38MarcGuay_v2 owners just need some mortar and they can build a house.
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22:27:42kugelwell, I had bad luck in taking my Fuze apart
22:34:22gevaertspixelma: is there already a flyspray entry about the zxbox freeze?
22:40:13pixelmaI don't think so (if no-one else than me had found and reported it). Somehow I had forgotten until earlier today
22:41:13jeroen-I am in a plugin called chess clock, but it says 'restart round' 'Time OUT!' - I can't get out of this screen anymore
22:41:25gevaertsI can't really reproduce it reliably (I managed once on H120 and once on X5), so I think I'll leave the filing to you
22:41:29gevaertsjeroen-: what player?
22:41:35jeroen-ipod g5
22:42:12jeroen-select+menu does nothing
22:42:26jeroen-ah I'm out
22:42:33jeroen-reboot
22:43:36jeroen-I like to remove unneeded plugins - can I just delete the .rock files or is there another option?
22:43:52gevaertsthat's the best way
22:43:56jeroen-ok
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22:44:01*gevaerts is now also stuck in chessclock
22:44:15jeroen-menu+select a long time
22:44:28NIelsEEhi, does anyone has a link for the rockbox utility for windows? the rockbox site seems to be down for a while..
22:44:41gevaertswell, yes, but there should be another way
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22:45:48gevaertsNielsE: http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/
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22:46:11pixelmagevaerts, jeroen-: the code says that the Play button is quit
22:46:13NielsEgevaerts: thanks
22:46:21jeroen-pixelma: yes, but diodnt work
22:46:34gevaertsusb plugin also does nothing
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22:46:52jeroen-unfortunaly the wiki is down just the moment I need it :-(
22:47:27gevaertsjeroen-: whenever the wiki is down we're less strict about what questions we're willing to answer ;)
22:47:50jeroen-gevaerts: mmm you don't what you are saying ;-)
22:48:18*gevaerts did say "less strict", not "extremely tolerant" :)
22:48:30jeroen-gevaerts: is there a way to load wikipedia on rockbox?
22:49:26gevaertsjeroen-: there is http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755
22:49:59jeroen-ok great
22:50:07pixelmagevaerts: "Play" doesn't work? It seems to in an Ipod Video sim *shrug*
22:50:24gevaertspixelma: I suspect it's frozen actually
22:51:03jeroen-gevaerts: just one question: I don't see a viewer menu under plugins, but when I look with my file manager it is there under .rockbox/Rocks
22:51:12pixelmaseems you were right with your question earlier... :\
22:51:35gevaertsjeroen-: viewers don't appear in the menu
22:51:46jeroen-ah ok
22:51:59jeroen-they are associated
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22:55:04NielsEis the themes-server out? upon installing it gives me an error
22:55:33gevaertsyes, it's down
22:55:36domonokyNielsE: jup, people are working on new theme site.
22:55:43NielsEoh, thats cool
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23:03:47gevaertschessclock is definitely buggy. I now have a frozen gigabeat, ipod video, ipod mini, h120 and ajb
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23:11:04*gevaerts decides to stop trying out plugins. They all turn out to be buggy
23:11:27jeroen-is there a way to set the root directory of the rockbox file manager - so it won't intervene with the original apple files?
23:11:59gevaertsNo
23:12:07jeroen-ok
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23:18:40Bagdernow gimme another commit!
23:18:53Bagderwe need to see a new build server do its job...
23:19:03gevaertsI don't dare touch anything anymore...
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23:21:27*gevaerts thinks that reporting two freeze bugs and one "normal" one is enough for one evening
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23:21:31Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/09/08/a-bad-move-a-really-bad-move/
23:21:39*Bagder hangs his head in shame
23:23:27gevaertsBagder: did the first "attack" come from 195.144.*.* ?
23:23:28dionoeahehe :)
23:24:31*gevaerts tried to download that file immediately after Bagder announced that it was there
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23:25:36chris2255hey did somebody know if you can edit the tag of the mp3s on the rockbox
23:25:37chris2255?
23:25:46n1sno
23:26:27*gevaerts reads that question again. Should he answer "yes" or "no" ?
23:27:02dionoeadepends how far in the past you look back
23:27:09chris2255thanks
23:27:18n1strue, "yes" somebody knows, "no" you can't
23:28:35linuxstbBagder: What caused Apache to think it was a script?
23:28:52BagderI have ".pl" allowed as a cgi script
23:29:05Unhelpfulbut the file was not ".pl" :/
23:29:16gevaertsIt was probably .pl in the .txt language
23:29:30Bagderclearly .pl enough...
23:29:43Unhelpfulgevaerts: ooh, languages. that's nasty. :/
23:30:16*linuxstb has to blame perl for this
23:30:31*gevaerts still thinks that he's probably the one who performed the attack
23:30:39jhMikeSamiconn: pong...delayed
23:30:59gevaertsThe script was there, I clicked on it to download, and suddenly the site was gone...
23:31:10Unhelpfuli suspect it's more appropriate to blame apache, but it's still fun to blame perl.
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23:31:34linuxstbAnd we're too polite to blame Bagder
23:32:11Unhelpfulwe are?
23:32:33gevaertsHe controls the server, so yes we are
23:32:58linuxstbHe also controls who has svn access...
23:33:21*jhMikeS wonders where five days of logs went to
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23:33:41chris2255onether ? how can the rockbox read my album art?
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23:34:05Unhelpfulchris2255: must save it as a .bmp file in the same directory as the tracks
23:34:36Unhelpfuleasiest way is to name have one directory per album and a file named cover.bmp in the directory
23:35:34Unhelpfulstrike that "name" to make the whole thing read sensibly
23:37:30gevaertsHow blocking is FS #9383 ? Release notes, or disable chessclock?
23:38:16amiconnChecssclock works if you're not doing unexpected things (like setting the number of players to 0 or sth)
23:38:21amiconniirc
23:38:37amiconnIt has always been like that, even in 2.5
23:38:43gevaertsok, so release notes
23:38:59gevaerts(once the wiki is back, that is)
23:39:03jhMikeSamiconn: I answered your ping. Is it still relevant?
23:39:25*LambdaCalculus37 waves to jhMikeS
23:39:35*jhMikeS waves back to LambdaCalculus37
23:39:38amiconnjhMikeS: Umm, problem is that I forgot about it. I'm quite sure it's still relevant, but I don't remember atm
23:39:56amiconnAnd the logs are gone :(
23:40:09jhMikeSamiconn: hehe. ok. just hollar. what happened to them?
23:40:18amiconnAsk Bagder
23:40:31Unhelpfulare logs back? the link explains all...
23:40:38amiconnWiki also doesn't work still, btw
23:40:40Unhelpfulhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/09/08/a-bad-move-a-really-bad-move/
23:40:41LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Here's the manual entry for chopper: http://pastebin.com/m730a4226
23:40:50amiconnJust throws error 500
23:41:00pixelmaamiconn: something related to the WM codecs maybe?
23:42:04LambdaCalculus37This is one case we *can* blame on Perl. ;)
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23:42:26Qgartenwhats up with the wiki?
23:43:01gevaertsLambdaCalculus37: Navigate *a* large maze I'd say
23:43:39pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: on many targets there is on additional "action" button and the table should also mention the quit button (or combo)
23:43:43pixelmaIMO
23:43:56*gevaerts also points out that on a c200 the cavern isn't really large
23:44:03Qgartenand where are the pictures of the Divices under "Current Rockbox Builds" from?
23:44:09*jhMikeS says ow-ey
23:44:12chris2255and the album art need to be in a specific size or could be any?
23:44:12Qgarten(or who makes them?)
23:45:09Unhelpfulchris2255: needs to be the size you intend to display it in.
23:45:33Unhelpfulmost easily accomplished on a unix, where you likely have imagemagick. otherwise tricky.
23:46:08*jhMikeS thinks he sees some logs still in google cache
23:46:59LambdaCalculus37gevaerts and pixelma: Will fix.
23:47:26chris2255<Unhelpful> thanks
23:47:32soapirfanview for Windows does most all imagemagick does from the command line.
23:47:42soapit is free as in beer as well.
23:48:33Qgartenyou know the wiki is down, do you?
23:48:41gevaertsYes we know
23:48:46Qgartenk..
23:49:15linuxstbBagder: Do we need to try and recreate the IRC logs for September, or do you think you have them somewhere?
23:49:28Bagderwe have them around
23:49:31pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: just remembered - it's not a direct "quit" but you get a menu...
23:49:45rasherQgarten: They're in the manual part of the source tree, many were made by pixelma
23:49:51Unhelpfulsoap: including stuff like batchconverting piles of images, possibly w/ different names, and also scaling them to meet size constraints while preserving aspect ratio? :/
23:49:58LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Okay.
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23:50:23pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: which might need a little explaining as well
23:51:05soapUnhelpful, yes. Just like imagemagick it is a simple tool. All the brains are in the script.
23:51:14Qgartenty
23:51:52Unhelpfulthere's not a script for rockbox-ifying album art on the wiki, is there? :/
23:53:02pixelmahttp://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:uyanmTw4kUkJ:www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt+site:www.rockbox.org+AlbumArt&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
23:53:48pixelmathere are some scripts listed, don't know whether they work or not or if they are still available
23:54:38ZambeziIs it internal servereror now?
23:55:00Qgartenwhat does it take to make a new port an official build (I'm thinking of the Iaudio7 which seems to work better and better)
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23:55:38webguest89HI, I am a first time user and I was wondering if I install rockbox is there any way to get ipod back to how it used to be
23:55:52webguest89and if it could damage the ipod in any way
23:55:52webguest89thx
23:56:03BagderQgarten: I'd say reasonable install method, somewhat stable run (with audio) and a reasonable manual
23:56:07linuxstbwebguest89: You can "dual-boot" (i.e. choose which firmware to use - Rockbox or the original), or just follow the uninstall instructions in the manual
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