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#rockbox log for 2008-09-18

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00:07:00MarcGuayCould someone who can read Chinese or perhaps decipher google's translation tell me what a "brush tool" might be?
00:08:18MarcGuayHere's the link: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.mydigit.cn%2Fread.php%3Ftid%3D28763&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en
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00:20:48dionoeaMarcGuay: babelfish has a slightly different translation ... but it's still about brushes ;)
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00:22:24mcuelenaereMarcGuay: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://bbs.mydigit.cn/register.php ?
00:25:07mcuelenaereMarcGuay: I'm downloading the files now..
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00:28:04*gevaerts bets that it will turn out to be either a tutorial on how to keep your STMP3650 nice and clean, or software to help edit photos of it
00:28:23mcuelenaerenope, doesn't seem to be
00:28:33mcuelenaereit's like they have a generic USB upgrade mode
00:28:48mcuelenaereSigmaTel Firmware Download
00:29:00mcuelenaeretry a search on STMP on that site
00:29:02mcuelenaerethere's more
00:29:54gevaertsSo brush mean download?
00:30:04mcuelenaereI don't know
00:30:16mcuelenaerechinese translations are most of the time (very) weird
00:30:26mcuelenaerethey say they burn firmwares on their devices
00:31:17gevaertsAnd after that they have to brush off the soot?
00:31:29mcuelenaere:)
00:33:00pixelmamaybe they mean to brush up or enhance something?
00:33:06mcuelenaerethis seems to be interesting: Apple and Apple ipod circuit board map (STMP3410)
00:33:10mcuelenaereit contains 2 PDF'es
00:33:43gevaertsAny compilers?
00:34:00mcuelenaerehmm, aren't most of the STMP* chips ARM?
00:34:19*gevaerts doesn't know now...
00:34:49mcuelenaereI think so, at least the ones I saw
00:36:00gevaertsSTMP3410 is dsp
00:36:27mcuelenaereah ok
00:36:42mcuelenaeretoo bad they don't have any SDK source code :/
00:36:56gevaertsNot that useful
00:37:13gevaertsWe need a free compiler first
00:37:24mcuelenaerefor the 34xx perhaps
00:37:38mcuelenaerebut not for 36xx and 37xx
00:37:44*gevaerts is too sleepy to follow quick context changes :)
00:37:48mcuelenaere:)
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00:39:13mcuelenaeremost of it seems to be either schematics of unknown players or help for fixing them
00:39:20mcuelenaereusers asking help for*
00:40:41mcuelenaerehmm a STMP35XX Reference Schematics is available
00:40:53mcuelenaereand it contains a .DSN file :/
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00:44:40mcuelenaerehmm stmp36xx seems to have an USB boot mode switch
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00:50:02pelleuxHeyal all
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00:54:19pelleuxWhen installing rockbox for this first time, do you need to nuke the existing ipod filesystem, or do you put the .rockbox directory in the partition2 of the ipod, or what?
00:54:35pelleuxTHe installation instructions are a little unclear in this regard.
00:54:52dionoeaif you have a winpod (fat partition), you don't need to kill anything
00:55:00pelleuxLinux here.
00:55:11dionoeaon the ipod?
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00:55:24pelleuxno,no.. sorry.. fat32 FS
00:55:35toffe82mcuelenaere: try this one for the translation http://www.windowslivetranslator.com/BV.aspx?MKT=en-US&lp=zh-chs_en&a=http://bbs.mydigit.cn/read.php?tid=28763
00:55:44dionoeaok, then just copy the folder. But using rbutil would be easier
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00:55:50dionoeajust click click click and it's done
00:55:59dionoea*rbutility
00:56:07dionoeaor whatever the name is:)
00:56:25toffe82mcuelenaere: it translate to firmware upgrade tools
00:56:27mcuelenaeretoffe82: thanks for the link, but I've already downloaded those files
00:56:32toffe82ok
00:58:40pelleuxdionoea: okay. So what happens when I install rockbox? does it nuke the Ipod bootloader and install rockbox, or is rockbox chainloaded somehow?
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00:59:07dionoeathe ipod bootloader is chainloaded if you press a key during boot
00:59:14dionoeaelse it boots rockbox
00:59:22dionoeaso yeah, it changes the default apple bootloader
00:59:27dionoeabut you don't lose anything
00:59:37dionoea(I don't know the specifics)
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01:00:27pelleuxdionoea: okay, just checkin. THanks.
01:01:14dionoeayou can always restore using apple's ipod rescue/restore utility if you want
01:01:16dionoea(or dd)
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01:04:07pelleuxdd :)
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01:55:12pelleux_dionoea: thanks, I got is working now.
01:55:25pelleux_another question now...
01:56:04pelleux_Can I nuke the entire directory structure except for .rockbox/
01:56:34pelleux_And then put my music and whatnot on there the way I would like.
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02:02:41Unhelpfulpelleux_: you should be able to. you can either use the file browser to find your songs, or build the database and use that.
02:03:50pelleux_Unhelpful: sweet, Thanks
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03:17:56*JdGordon chuckles at being summoned at 6am :D
03:17:57Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
03:18:25CasainhoI did manage to build for the first time the bootloader for a new port:
03:18:27Casainhohttp://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/list
03:18:49Casainhowell, bootloader just should flash LEDs for now :-)
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03:23:14Strife89!radio
03:24:25Strife89!tuner
03:26:55Strife89May I ask where the code for the FM Tuner is?
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03:27:52Strife89I'm looking everywhere, but I don't see it.....
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03:34:31JdGordonStrife89: mostly in apps/recorder/radio.c
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03:35:24Strife89Recorder, the one place I didn't think it could possibly be in.....
03:35:33Strife89Anyway, thanks.
03:39:30*Strife89 is trying to find a way to make the "Add Preset" function stop if that station is already in the preset list.
03:40:21JdGordongood luck with that :D
03:40:37*Strife89 also wants the radio to always save any changes to the preset list on exit (instead of giving an option).
03:40:58Strife89JdGordon: Yeah, I understand the radio code is messy.
03:41:19JdGordonactually, those 2 changes should be doable without too much pain
03:42:34Strife89Wow, I'm too new to this......
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03:44:22JdGordongotta start somewhere :)
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09:49:23rshakinhey i've installed rockbox and now i cant charge my ipod with usb...
09:49:26rshakinany ideas ?
09:49:45scorchershakin: how are you trying to charge?
09:49:54rshakinwith just a regular usb cable
09:50:14scorchei mean, are you in disk mode? apple OS? rockbox?
09:50:29rshakini think the battery died completely
09:50:34BigBambirshakin: The manual is a good place to start: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3
09:51:19scorchershakin: that is a common issue on ipods and has nothing to do with rockbox, really...if you have an AC adapter, leave that plugged in for a while...if not, leave it plugged into your computer for 48 (yes, 48) hours
09:52:28rshakinok good will try that
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12:22:55mcuelenaeredoes sleep()'ing work in the bootloader?
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12:41:13preglowmcuelenaere: i wouldn't expect it to, threads usually aren't set up yet there, afaik
12:41:29mcuelenaerekernel_init() has been done..
12:41:33mcuelenaereand yield()'ing works
12:41:34linuxstbSome bootloaders have interrupts, others implement a bootloader-specific sleep()
12:41:38preglowwell, if threads work, then sleep() does work too
12:41:47mcuelenaereweird, on my target it doesn't
12:41:53mcuelenaeredo you know what could cause this?
12:42:01mcuelenaereeg bad core_sleep() implementation?
12:42:28preglowwell, what happens if you call sleep?
12:42:34mcuelenaereit hangs
12:42:36amiconnsleep() only works if both threading and the tick are working
12:42:43mcuelenaereboth should work
12:42:53preglowwell, threads depend on the tick
12:42:53mcuelenaeretick gets incremented and yield() works
12:43:02mcuelenaerecurrent_tick gets incremented*
12:43:07preglowhave you implemented a core sleep function?
12:43:19mcuelenaereyes, but I'm not sure if works really well
12:43:22mcuelenaere(this is a MIPS processor)
12:43:23preglowthen remove that
12:43:32mcuelenaereI tried that, but it didn't work
12:43:37preglowthe scheduler will sleep the core if there's nothing to do, afaik
12:43:41preglowhmm
12:44:02mcuelenaereso perhaps a bug in either load_context(), save_context() or start_thread()?
12:44:11mcuelenaere(those are the ones I changed)
12:44:24preglowload/save context bugs would be really noticable quite fast if you uyse threading at all
12:44:29mcuelenaerehmm ok
12:44:35preglowstart_thread is the same, i guess
12:44:49mcuelenaerethen probably an not-thread related bug?
12:44:58preglowbut i don't know, i haven't look at the scheduler innards since it got changed
12:45:27mcuelenaere(I've had the same/similar bug when trying to sleep() in the ZVM bootloader, but Rockbox itself didn't had the problem)
12:45:40funmanlinuxstb: did you work on sansav1 ?
12:45:52preglowmcuelenaere: have you done some testing with threads to see if they work proper as it is?
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12:46:05mcuelenaerenot really, how could I test them?
12:46:15preglowmcuelenaere: all sleep() does is run other threads until your sleep time is up, unless there is nothing to do, and then it halts the core
12:46:37preglowmcuelenaere: well, by creating a couple and just yielding between them?
12:46:50preglowi don't know what facilities you've got implemented
12:46:58mcuelenaereall standard Rockbox ones
12:47:29mcuelenaereI know that backlight and scroll threads work
12:47:41mcuelenaereI haven't checked whether there are others runned
12:47:51preglowwell, i'd just create a couple of threads that do some printing to the screen and queue communication
12:48:03preglowwith results you can verify, of course
12:48:46preglowwell, toggle the backlight, use scrolling text, whatever. if it works, then the threading should be ok
12:49:06mcuelenaerethe backlight is automatically turned off after some time
12:49:13mcuelenaere(I presume that's standard Rockbox behaviour?)
12:49:17preglowyep
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12:49:24mcuelenaereI haven't tried scrolling text, will do now
12:49:33preglowdo that, also try switching the backlight on
12:49:42preglowthat should test the queues
12:49:55preglowscrolling probably already does, but i'm not familiar with that
12:49:59mcuelenaerethe queues should work (button_get() works)
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12:50:05preglowmok
12:50:45preglowstarting to sound like there's not much you can do but crawl into the scheduler guts
12:51:55mcuelenaerehmm, lcd_puts_scroll(0, 100, "This is a very very long scrolling line.... OK???? VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG VERY LONG!!!!!"); should work, right?
12:52:07linuxstbfunman: I wrote sansapatcher (which is based on my ipodpatcher), but have never worked on the actual Rockbox code
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12:52:27funmanok
12:53:23preglowmcuelenaere: think so, but again, i seldom do ui work and things have changed since last i did...
12:53:48mcuelenaerehmm there's probably something wrong with my x, y coordinates
12:54:23linuxstbYes, I think it takes character co-ordinates
12:54:30linuxstbSee the GraphicsAPI wiki page
12:56:06mcuelenaerelinuxstb: lcd_puts_scroll() doesn't seem to be documentated on that wiki page
12:57:10mcuelenaerehmm but according to the source, you seem to be right
12:57:55mcuelenaereok scrolling works too
12:58:34mcuelenaerehmm but the string sometimes seem to appear shortly either on top of the screen or on the bottom
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13:04:03preglowprobably unrelated
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14:12:07JdGordonamiconn: if you want that list issue fixed you need to put it on FS... i'm down to no rockbox time again and will forget about it unless its there....
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14:19:11JdGordon.. also explain it a bit better... I didnt really understand what you were tlaking about
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15:10:46J-23NOOOOO! I bought v2!
15:11:09markunJ-23: well, then you will have to help out with the port ;)
15:11:09Tuplanolla:<
15:11:17J-23how can I help? :p
15:11:29markundon't ask me
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15:12:04markunI have no idea how much progress there has been. Better check the forum.
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15:35:15J-23ok, so can somebody else tell me how can I help with porting Rockbox too e200v2 Sansas? I'm not good in low-level programming, so I can e.g. just make a good list of chips documentation on wiki.
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15:36:22J-23hmm, most important chips are listed.
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17:16:20J-23How can I help with porting Rockbox to v2 Sansas if I can't help by programming?
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17:21:35J-23hmm, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8843
17:22:02J-23is somebody stil maintaining it, or porting RB to v2 Sansas it a forgotten idea?
17:22:40bmblJ-23: Ask in the Forums for what can be done(although I don't think that there's much we could do without programming)?
17:24:12LambdaCalculus37Programming is about the only thing left to be done at this point.
17:24:39J-23:/
17:24:55LambdaCalculus37Apart from that, there's testing new code.
17:25:35J-23Is there any possibility to brick player by doing it?
17:25:44J-23and is it possible then to unbrick it?
17:26:17LambdaCalculus37I would figure that that's exactly what we're trying to *not* have happen when testing code. ;)
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17:28:08J-23hmm.
17:29:04J-23I know it isn't completely safe, but my player was expensive and I don't want to make it unusable :)
17:30:20LambdaCalculus37In order to make your player unusable, you can either 1) Throw it into the toilet, 2) smash it with a hammer, or 3) feed it to the dog. ;)
17:30:33J-23ok.
17:32:02BigBambiJ-23: I haven't been keeping up with the e200 v2 stuff so I don't know if there is a low level recovery mode or the like on it
17:32:12bmblMy Sansa was cheap but still I don't want to test code on it :P
17:32:44bmblBigBambi: As far as I have understood there isn't really a recovery mode
17:33:57BigBambibmbl: That's a bit of a bugger.
17:34:12BigBambiI'm sure all this sort of stuff is in the thread though
17:35:06J-23how longly Rockbox was being ported to e200v1?
17:35:38BigBambiJ-23: That's an irrelevant question tbh
17:35:57BigBambiNew port, new hardware, etc etc
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17:37:16J-23but e.g. from Archos players to iPods.
17:37:26Bombermanhi all
17:38:15Bombermanroxbox is avaible for bbk players?
17:38:21BigBambiNo
17:38:34BigBambiLook at www.rockbox.org, it has a list of all players Rockbox works on
17:38:40Bomberman:(
17:38:46BigBambiJ-23: I don't understand that question
17:39:15J-23hmm, I think I should read about Rockbox history.
17:40:23n1sJ-23: rom the svn logs: the first rev of config-e200.h was committed on aug 1 2006 and the "gentlmen mail" was sent on march 11 2007
17:40:51n1sso including research at least a year to functioning audio playback
17:41:08J-23first porting attemprs in April 2008
17:41:16BigBambiBut that says nothing about v2 timescales except a long time
17:41:19n1sbut as BigBambi said, this is no real indication of how long the v2 port will take
17:41:31J-23attempts*
17:42:59n1sto show the difference between ports, the record (iirc) is 12 hours which it took amiconn to get audio on the mini 2g...
17:44:21BigBambiJ-23: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html
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17:47:07MarcGuaypreglow: Any status update on the TC SD driver?
17:48:16GodEaterthe v1 sansa port is likely to prove quicker than the v2 port too - since the v1 was using a SOC that we had code for already
17:48:28GodEaterso I would imagine the v2 will take longer than the v1 port did
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17:52:56n1sso, does anyone care if the released bootloaders have proper versions or if we can go with whatever is in svn now (i'm not really sure if they use svn r or old version number or whatever) ?
17:54:05J-23but why porting to e200v2 is so slow?
17:54:25J-23and why there is no v2 port in SVN?
17:55:21n1sJ-23: it is 1) difficult 2) time consuming 3) done by limited numbers of people 4) in their limited spare time
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17:56:03J-23did other ports start like this?
17:56:14BigBambiLike what?
17:56:41BigBambiThe vast majority started from scratch and took a lot of dedicated work in people's spare time, yes
17:57:10J-23was e.g. iPod port based on anything?
17:57:14BigBambiThe only exceptions being those that were similar to existing ones that took slightly less but still huge amounts of dedicated work in peopl's spare time
17:57:35LambdaCalculus37No, the initial iPod ports weren't.
17:57:42BigBambiSome of it was helped by ipodlinux work
17:58:16BigBambiAnd of course the existing swcodec layer from previous ports applied
17:58:19LambdaCalculus37The iPod video port came about because some of the hardware is similar to that of the nano.
17:58:51J-23Is developing Rockbox ports so hard as I think? (coding)
17:58:56BigBambiyes, very
17:59:18J-23no user will wait for 2 years
17:59:32J-23after 2 years there will be 3x faster players
17:59:46BigBambiYou need to write drivers for all the hardware, often without datasheets which means reverse engineering is often necessary. That if course is after working out how to run code on the player etc
17:59:50BigBambiJ-23: So?
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18:00:09gevaertsJ-23: people don't port rockbox to their player because of some users, they do it because they want it for themselves
18:00:51LambdaCalculus37J-23: That's why we keep saying that if you want to see Rockbox on your player that badly, expect to do work yourself.
18:01:11MarcGuay#rockbox-moan-and-groan is available.
18:01:42BigBambialong with #rockbox-full-refunds-this-way
18:02:04LambdaCalculus37And #rockbox-dont-bitch-and-moan-in-the-main-channel
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18:08:03LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Yes, I think we should ask him about his bootloader version.
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18:09:47n1sthere's some semi common hardware fault that will cause h300's to remain in usb mode all the time, don't remember how to fix it though but there's a theread about it somewhere in mistic river
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18:12:43MarcGuayDid they make a c200v1 in red or just the new ones?
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18:13:36LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Not sure. I do remember seeing red c200s in the older "v1" packaging before, but I'm not 100% sure if they were indeed v1's.
18:13:48LambdaCalculus37Why, did you just get a red c200?
18:14:23MarcGuayJust cruising eBay looking for broken but easily repairable stuff...
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18:14:54LambdaCalculus37MarcGuay: Ahh.
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18:20:05J-23hmm, are there any texts about disassembling e200v2 Sansas?
18:20:19LambdaCalculus37http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/v2.html
18:20:32Jaboneand there's a link for rockbox forum
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18:29:07J-23I don't see any disassembling instructions there
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18:30:32fragilematterj-23 there is some info on abi forums in a post i write about firmware recovery
18:32:20fragilematterJ-23: here http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281956 - it's not much but it's not hard to crack it open either
18:32:45J-23thanks.
18:32:55fragilematterno problem :)
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18:42:51J-23c200v1 is much simplier to disassemble
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18:50:09Aurashismailis anyone on?
18:50:36Aurashismaili have an 5th gen ipod vid (60 gb) and i wanted to put a video onto my ipod (an avi).
18:50:46Aurashismailcan someone help me with that?
18:51:05fyrestormi dont think thats the question to ask here.
18:51:18fyrestormunless you are, in fact, using rockbox.
18:51:19Aurashismailoh
18:51:19MarcGuayAurashismail: Have you read this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer?
18:51:29Aurashismailno i havent marc
18:51:30Aurashismailthanks
18:51:48Aurashismailand fyre, i am using rockbox
18:51:53Aurashismailits a pain to convert vids
18:52:18fyrestormahh okay XD
18:52:28fyrestormuse videora
18:52:55fyrestormthen again i dont watch movies on my ipod anymore. too much music.
18:53:40Aurashismaili used videora, but its still a hassle
18:53:45Aurashismaili use*
18:54:13fyrestormyeah
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18:56:39TichodromaIn Twiki>Main>IpodPort>ConvertiTunesDBtoTagCache I was going to add a comment saying that an alternative is to use (open source project) picard (http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardTagger), to automatically extract music from an iTunes DB and place files in a sensibly-named directory tree, then create rockbox DB if desired.
18:58:13MarcGuayTichodroma: You're ready to go.
18:58:34TichodromaOK, cheers.
18:59:57Aurashismailrandom thing, is video output supported? if it isnt, do you think it ever wil?
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19:01:32Aurashismailand i cant find the mpegplayer
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19:01:51Aurashismaili used the rockbox utility to install it on to my ipod
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19:03:36Aurashismailanyone...?
19:04:37J-23Will it be helpful if I'll create step-by-step E200v2 disassembling videotutorial?
19:05:06Aurashismail(i have no idea)
19:05:36Aurashismaili made a movies folder (E:/movies)
19:05:58Aurashismailand added a videoto it
19:06:01J-23AFAIK video output is not supported
19:06:06Aurashismailah
19:06:18Aurashismaildo you think its possible in the future?
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19:10:43Aurashismaili cant find the mpeg player, can someone help me
19:11:11J-23just try to open that file from file manager
19:11:35Aurashismaili tried, when i go into the folder i cant see the file
19:11:36Aurashismailits a .avi
19:11:51Aurashismailor is avi not supported
19:12:14domonokyAurashismail: that wont play, it needs to be mpeg1/2 with the correct size, see wiki
19:12:15J-23Rockbox supports MPEG only (1 and 2).
19:12:29Aurashismailoh
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19:13:20Aurashismaili guess il have to keep converting vids
19:13:23Aurashismailthanks guys
19:13:24Aurashismailcya
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19:15:09*amiconn found a possibility for a generic litte optimisation in rockbox
19:15:48amiconnRight now, our MIN() and MAX() macros evaluate their arguments twice, and if they're function calls, this is both slower and means more code
19:15:49toffe82perhaps something useful for somebody workin on sd card interface : http://www.newark.thinkhost.com/brands/promos/leading_edge/spraao7.pdf?CMP=EMC-TF091508
19:16:00amiconn(and also applying side effects twice)
19:16:49gevaertsamiconn: changing that counts as a fix I think. If it's faster and smaller, that's nice of course
19:17:02amiconnThere is a way to make this macro evaluate their arguments only once, yet keeping it unversal, datatype wise, using a gcc extension
19:17:26gevaertstypeof?
19:17:41amiconnhttp://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.4/gcc/Typeof.html#Typeof
19:17:49amiconnIt's almost literally that example
19:18:13amiconnUsing this needs a few fixes in places where those macros are used
19:18:40amiconn(1) The current version works for the preprocessor itself. The typeof() version does not
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19:19:07amiconnThis needs preprocessing fixes in cube.c and spacerocks.c
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19:20:26amiconn(2) In a few places, one of the arguments of those macros is a constant. The current form handles signed<->unsigned differences automatically in those cases, but the typeof() form does not, resulting in a signed<->unsigned comparison warning
19:20:55amiconnThis is fixable either by casting, or by explicitly defining the constant as unsigned
19:21:10gevaertsAs long as the compiler (or preprocessor) gives an error or a warning in the cases that need fixing, I think it's not a problem
19:21:11*pixelma found a few small bugs in plugins while reviewing screenshots and button tables for the manuals... :\
19:21:45amiconnNow I wonder (a) whether this is a good idea to apply and (b) whether we should have a MAX and MIN that works for preprocessing, and which name they should have
19:23:22gevaertsI think it is a good idea. Arguments getting evaluated twice is usually unexpected, and could cause subtle bugs
19:24:16gevaertsAs for the preprocessor case, maybe _MAX() and _MIN() ?
19:25:03*gevaerts wants to use #ifdef PREPROCESSOR, but his brain gets a stack overflow if he tries
19:25:34TichodromaOn the IPodPort page, for the 5.5th gen 80Gb. It says "very stable; more work on optimising the disk writing code is needed". Out of curiosity, can anyone point me towards any documentation/code comments indicating what needs to be done?
19:27:24gevaertsTichodroma: (I could be wrong but) I think this is related to the fact that the 5.5G uses 2048 byte sectors, while rockbox uses 512 byte sectors internally
19:28:29gevaertsOr rather, the disk doesn't handle 512 byte IO and wants 1024
19:28:56amiconnThe latter
19:29:20gevaertsThat means that to write 512 bytes (which the rockbox FAT driver does now and then), the ata driver first needs to read 1024 bytes, patch in the 512 bytes that need writing, and write the 1024 bytes back
19:29:28amiconnWe'd need more intelligent fat code that is able to cache variable sector sizes
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19:32:54amiconngevaerts: Both mentioned plugins use the macros to decide which or the 2 lcd dimensions is the larger/smaller one
19:33:32amiconnMaybe we should set global macros for those in a central place?
19:33:45TichodromaRight, thanks. I don't think I'm going to be able to solve that one unfortunately.
19:33:48gevaertsLCD_PORTRAIT and LCD_LANDSCAPE?
19:34:03amiconnNo, something like LCD_LARGE_DIM and LCD_SMALL_DIM
19:34:17amiconnThey need the numbers, not just the fact
19:34:22gevaertsah, ok
19:34:50amiconn(the fact is trivial to check - #if LCD_WIDTH > LCD_HEIGHT etc, and some plugins need all 3 cases)
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19:35:21gevaertsindeed
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19:36:42gevaertsActually, SCREEN_PORTRAIT and friends already exist
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19:54:57denesgevaerts: so moving the discussion here in public: the dfu loads the binary at address 0x22020000
19:55:04denesgevaerts: and not 0x22000000
19:55:26denesgevaerts: the way I found this out, is by writing the "pc" on the lcd (I managed to write to the lcd on the m3)
19:55:44denesgevaerts: so this is on the m3, but it imho applies to m6sl too
19:56:11gevaertsprobably. I can try "writing" the pc on my sl
19:56:19denesgevaerts: great
19:56:52denesgevaerts: and if it works for you also, the change should be committed, because it didn't really work for me at first on the m3
19:57:18denesmarkun: thanks for committing the m3 parts to svn
19:59:19denesgevaerts: ok it might not apply to the m6sl, but it should apply to the m6, because SST39VF800.dfu uses 22020000 also (but the m6sl doesn't use SST39VF800.dfu)
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20:00:57amiconnurgh
20:01:24amiconnusb_storage.c has quite some of those signed<->unsigned comparison warnings now
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20:03:05gevaertsamiconn: making SECTOR_SIZE and BUFFER_SIZE explicitely unsigned should fix most of them I think
20:03:46amiconnyep
20:03:51gevaertsIs there a quick way to get at pc from c code?
20:04:09amiconnYou need a tiny inline asm snippet
20:04:59denesiirc: asm volatile("mov %0, pc \n\t" : "=r" (yourvariable));
20:05:28denespc-8=the address of the current instruction
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20:09:15*pixelma thinks that having two "M3" ports could lead to confusion...
20:11:36gevaertsdenes: I get 0x22000a50
20:12:03denesgevaerts: okay, than it's fine on the m6sl
20:12:19denesgevaerts: but probably this was the reason why it didn't work on the m3
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20:13:05denesgevaerts: so the m3(/m6) and the m6sl need different ld scripts currently
20:13:38gevaertsIf this is the only difference, I think an #ifdef will do fine
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20:13:45denesgevaerts: you are right
20:14:16gevaertsSo it's the m6sl that's different, right? m6sp and m3 are the same?
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20:14:41denesgevaerts: I think so (if m6 in the dfu tool = m6sp)
20:15:13amiconnHmm. There is a problem with this typeof() macro from the gcc docs: it breaks when nested
20:15:38amiconnI.e. MAX(MAX(a, b), c) won't work as expected
20:16:18gevaertsdenes: I think that means that IRAMSIZE is 128k for now as well
20:16:47*gevaerts thinks he's doing this the wrong way
20:17:18gevaertsIRAMORIG and IRAMSIZE are the same for everyone, we just need to specify a different load address
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20:21:12denesgevaerts: yes, I think so too
20:21:25gevaertsdenes: I committed a fix. Can you have a look at it?
20:22:36denesgevaerts: looks perfect, thanks !
20:22:56bertrikhas anyone recently tried to compile the mipsel toolchain?
20:23:01gevaertsamiconn: you could make MIN() and MAX() inline functions
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20:23:21gevaertsbertrik: yes, a few days ago
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20:23:36bertrikI tried it and it failed, I'll have to look up the exact error
20:23:36gevaerts(compiled, not actually used)
20:23:47denespixelma: what "two M3 ports"?
20:23:56gevaertsdenes: there is also the iaudio M3
20:24:06denesgevaerts: ahhh, okay
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20:25:03amiconngevaerts: Hmm, but then how do you make it generic?
20:25:25denesgevaerts: so the current bootlader is supposed to flash when I touch the touchstrip? just to confirm that it works correct
20:25:28*gevaerts knew he was forgetting something...
20:26:09amiconnHmm, perhaps a nested function in that macro which is called right away would work...
20:26:43gevaertsdenes: yes.
20:27:06amiconn...or not. The function name would need to vary
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20:28:04gevaertsdenes: what should happen is: the backlight turns on, you press power (play on the m6sl), it turns off the backlight, calibrates the touchpad, and starts flashing finger positions
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20:29:58denesgevaerts: that's mostly what happens. but when I touch the lower half of the touchpad it flashes once, one I press a bit above it starts flashing for a long time. is this what you observe?
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20:31:00gevaertsdenes: it should flash once near the bottom, up to four times near the top (QT1106_RES_4 in the source)
20:31:42gevaertsIf you change that to QT1106_RES_8, it goes up to 8, and so on up to 256
20:33:06denesgevaerts: I will check it later than, becuase it either flashes once or very many times.
20:33:36amiconnThis is actually a situation where C++ has an advantage (definiting a template function)
20:33:42amiconn*defining
20:33:44gevaertsThat sounds like a bug
20:34:15denesgevaerts: or worse - the m3 and the m6sl being incompatible ...
20:34:33denesbtw it's the new m3, not the original
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20:35:33gevaertsthe MeizuReverseEngineering page says that the qt1106 connections are the same. Maybe the new m3 has a different chip there
20:36:12denesgevaerts: yes. I hope not, though ;)
20:36:34gevaertsIf we find out which chip it's not a disaster :)
20:36:57*gevaerts is pretty sure that the used GPIO pins will be the same
20:37:16denesgevaerts: hopefully
20:37:32gevaertsThey are the same between M6, M6SL, and M3(old)
20:37:44denesgevaerts: well, the keys and the backlight are indeed the same
20:38:27denesgevaerts: anyway, the lcd is the first task for me
20:38:35denesgevaerts: and then the others
20:39:13gevaertssame here
20:39:36denesgevaerts: btw do you have an idea what clock your m6sl is running at? because I set the m3 to 200MHz explicitly
20:39:51denesgevaerts: that could be a difference also
20:39:59gevaertsNot really, but I should be able to find out
20:40:24denesgevaerts: by reading the clock control registers?
20:40:45gevaertsthe delay() function in qt1106.c makes about two loops per microsecond
20:40:58denesgevaerts: I see
20:42:55denesgevaerts: that's like 8MHz ? or maybe I am calculating something wrong
20:43:28denesgevaerts: 8MHz vs. 200 MHz could be a problem :)
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20:44:24gevaertsindeed. Maybe try increasing the delays in qt1106.c by about a factor 10 or 20
20:45:07denesgevaerts: I will try it tomorrow
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20:48:39ipodcould some one tell me the name of a video converter for my 1st gen ipod nano
20:49:01ipodi had it on here but i had to reformat
20:49:01LambdaCalculus37There's a list of converters here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
20:49:08ipodthanks
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20:55:19bertrikfunman, can you put that kind of v2 information on the wiki?
20:56:23funmanI prefer hacking :)
20:57:00funmanwriting doc is a difficut task
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21:00:22amiconnHmm, when I add type checking to those macros (linux kernel.h style) I get loads of warnings...
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21:05:15bertrikfunman, ok I'll start reading the rest of the forum thread on the v2's and try to update the wiki
21:06:30funmanthanks!
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21:07:00bertrikof course I can't make any guarantees on how far I get
21:07:23funmanyou're welcome anywhere far you get ;)
21:08:12fragilematterbertrik: and if you need any help I'll be glad to assist you
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21:19:16amiconn43 warnings for ipod Video, 18 warnings for Ondio FM
21:19:28*amiconn is uncertain what do do now
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21:23:02gevaertsamiconn: are there warnings that point to real potential problems?
21:23:41funmanbertrik: the sansaV2 components should be the same over all the models (when presents)
21:23:55amiconnThe kernel.h mix()/max() implementations use a trick that throws a warning when the types of the arguments are different
21:24:59amiconnSo these warnings mean that several of our MIN() / MAX() invocations do that. Whether it is a real problem or not then depends on the architecture
21:25:01funmanfirmware/export/kernel.h ?
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21:25:19gevaertsfunman: linux kernel.h
21:25:31amiconnYeah, that was imprecise...
21:26:04gevaertsI think that if it can cause real problems, we want the warnings.
21:26:53bertrikfunman, ok I'll put the clip information on the generic SansaV2 page then
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21:28:17funmanI have the sd powered up it seems
21:28:26funmanI must look how to send read commands now ^^
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21:29:22mmiller_Is rockbox expected to run on a device if it has no battery?
21:29:34funmanif you power it why not ?
21:29:49amiconnThe linux kernel has several flavours of min() and max(): the type checking variant, the simple one (doing double evaluation), another one where you can specifiy the type explicitly
21:29:53bertrikIIRC, my sansa e200 runs find on USB power with the battery disconnected
21:29:57bertrik*fine
21:30:26fragilematterbertrik: feel free to incorporate any of the content from http://drop.io/sansahack and eventually the unbrick way I described here http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=281956#post281975 into the wiki pages
21:30:28amiconnIt also has clamp() in those flavours, plus one that uses the type of the value, assuming the min and max are literals
21:30:30mmiller_I have a gigabeat that's using USB power with very low battery, and when I try to boot it immediately shuts down.
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21:30:49mmiller_If I turn off the battery, it stops in the Toshiba firmware.
21:31:08amiconnChanging all this is quite some work, but when I just commit what I have now the build table will be yellow all over...
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21:31:55toffe82mmiller_: gigabeat F or S ?
21:32:03mmiller_It's a gigabeat F.
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21:33:20toffe82mmiller_: I think the battery must be charged before you can use it , at least on the S it is like this, I never had a problem on a F
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21:34:41mmiller_toffe82: do you know whether this is an issue with rockbox, the hardware, or the toshiba firmware?
21:35:40toffe82mmiller_: on the F I don't think there is any problem with rockbox , I didn't really use the OF
21:35:56toffe82your battery won't charge ?
21:37:01mmiller_It worked fine yesterday, was syncing last night, apparently ran out of battery (?), and today it's dead. It show's it's been charging for several hours, but no more luck now than before.
21:37:53mmiller_(It appears to charge, but it doesn't seem to actually do anything.)
21:37:54amiconnLines 350..434 in http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/kernel.h;h=aaa998f65c7af93e8a0e715e5bef0ca5ef067ece;hb=204b885e7322656284626949e51f292fe61313fa
21:38:10gevaertsamiconn: I think in this case committing the new min()/max() and the warning fixes separately might actually be good
21:38:57toffe82mmiller_: you should check the battery
21:39:28mmiller_toffe82: I'll do that. Thanks.
21:40:56funmanthe pl180 show the command number is on 6 bits but there's no list of commands
21:41:24funmanmaybe it's part of the mmc standard
21:43:36*gevaerts thinks that separating introducing new functionality and changing things to use or adapt to that functionality into separate commits is a good idea, even if it introduces temporary warnings
21:45:41amiconngevaerts: I am undecided whether this should be committed at all in its current form, or whether it would be better to introduce the strict macros *in addition* to the existing ones, and then gradually go through the code and make it use the strict macros
21:46:21gevaertsamiconn: that's another way to do it, but you lose the nice MIN()/MAX() names that way
21:46:39amiconnThis wouldn't cause intermediate warnings, and it would allow to use the different variants depending on what fits best
21:50:04gevaertsOn the other hand, we want new code to use appropriate variants. Leaving the old ones in makes that harder to enforce
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21:53:18amiconngevaerts: We could rip them out when the conversion is done...
21:53:45gevaertsTrue.
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21:54:13gevaertsSo I'd say use new names, and then we can start fixing...
21:55:47gevaertsActually, when we're done maybe we should leave MIN and MAX in, and make then #errors. That way people who don't immediately find them don't re-add them locally
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21:59:00*amiconn wonders how this would be possible
21:59:28mcuelenaerejust don't define them?
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22:00:29mcuelenaereMarcGuay (logs): here are about all the files I've downloaded at that site: http://www.mediafire.com/?iiztaztnmna
22:00:54bluebrother#define MIN(x) \#error MIN: x ?
22:01:19funman#define MIN(x) y
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22:01:42gevaertsfunman: make compilation fail, not execution ;)
22:02:00bluebrotherat least at the compiler used at work I can create a macro that extends that way, though I only tested with #pragma
22:02:08funmanwhy do you want to let it compile anyway ?
22:02:57funmanalso why is winter coming so early ? :(
22:03:05gevaertsIt's not too important right now I guess. If bluebrother's trick works, great, and if it doesn't, oh well
22:04:11bluebrotherjust tried, doesn't seem to work
22:04:33gevaertsOne trick that should always work is #define MIN(x,y) YOU_MADE_A_MISTAKE(), although that will give a linker error instead of a compiler error
22:05:11amiconnOr #define MIN(x, y) "you made a mistake"
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22:05:44amiconnBut it'd break some codec libs to disallow plain MIN()/ MAX()
22:05:53funman#define MIN(x, y) abort()
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22:06:09*gevaerts thinks that funman still doesn't get the point ;)
22:06:10funmanI'm not sure if you can use void as int ..
22:06:15bluebrother#define MIN(x,y) #
22:06:34bluebrothercreates a nice "error: '#' is not followed by a macro parameter"
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22:07:18amiconnlibspeex and demac define their own
22:07:20gevaertsWhat about just #define MIN(x,y) new_and_improved_min(x,y)? No warnings or errors, but it should at least do the right thing
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22:11:24bluebrotherwelcome to the woooorld of tomorrrrow!
22:12:29funmanbut if it's tomorrow today is yesterday ????¿¿¿¿
22:14:00qubodupyes
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22:41:27Casainhohello Rockbox people :-)
22:41:35linuxstbHi
22:41:49CasainhoI am build a new port and I am getting an warning and my code is not working :-(
22:42:01Casainhocan someone please enlight me? - http://pastebin.com/m7b2e1aee
22:42:14*bluebrother pulls torch
22:42:55Casainhothe code is here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/rockbox_port
22:44:43linuxstbCasainho: The error messages seems very explicit - your code is referencing a function called pabt_handler, but that function is being discarded by the linker.
22:45:51Casainholinuxstb: and why?
22:46:05Casainhocan it be a problem in linker script?
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22:47:12Casainhohere is the linker script: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/target/arm/at91sam/boot.lds
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22:48:09CasainhoI am being looking for this link script and for the memory map, I don't understand linker discard that function....
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22:49:08bluebrotherwell, it seems like this function is linked to a section that doesn't exist and gets discarded due to this
22:51:00linuxstbbluebrother: I would have expected the linker to complain that the section doesn't exist in that case - I've had that problem before.
22:52:06bluebrotherhmm −− but I can't see that section the linker tells that function is linked to. Or did I miss some globbing?
22:52:16Casainhowell, I am a novice in ARM world... I had a lot of days looking and reading about linker script... I may have some errors on it, can someone please verify?
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22:54:21*amiconn decides that he shouldn't try to do too many things at once, and puts back that MIN() / MAX() issue for now
22:55:05linuxstbCasainho: Where is the project.h file?
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22:55:59Casainholinuxstb: firmware/export/
22:56:32linuxstbYes, I just found it - the google svn browser only showed the first 100 files in that dir....
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22:58:09linuxstbCasainho: Sorry, nothing jumps out at me as being obviously wrong...
22:58:13Casainholooks like it just shows 100 lines at a time, you can continue browsing other files
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22:58:44Casainholinuxstb: okok - thank you :-)
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22:59:55Casainhothe bootloader C code (flash_LED) is working if builded alone... but with that linker script, I got that discard and code do not work :-(
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23:00:48Casainhothe original code is here: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/#svn/trunk/test_codes/at91sam9260_getting_started_1.0
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23:01:20Casainholinuxstb: can you please give a look and comparing both linker scripts?
23:02:29Casainholinker scripts are different... I tried to make one linker script as other ports on RB
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23:07:04linuxstbCasainho: Sorry, I can't investigate your problem. All I can suggest is to remove (comment out) the call to that troublesome function and see what does actually work...
23:07:15Casainholinuxstb: could it be something about missing newlib??
23:07:54linuxstbWhat version of gcc are you using? Are you using the standard Rockbox arm-elf-gcc or something else?
23:08:06CasainhoI was trying to build again that code and I got an error about -lc, # -lc : tells the linker to tie in newlib
23:08:32CasainhoI am using the "rockbox_dev.sh"
23:08:46bluebrotherthere is no rockbox_dev.sh ...
23:08:48Bagderwe don't use newlib...
23:09:12*bluebrother was too late to note that rockbox doesn't use newlib
23:09:27Bagder... so we don't use -lc
23:09:30bluebrotherbtw, do we use some functions taken from newlib?
23:09:45Casainho"rockboxdev.sh" :-)
23:09:47Bagderbluebrother: yes, some source from newlib is in the firmware/common dir
23:10:29CasainhoI think my code may use newlib, because there is some printf functions....
23:10:30scorche|shyou only use "rockboxdev.sh" once...and even then it isnt sure that you are using those compilers due to path..
23:10:53BagderCasainho: printf? really?
23:11:08Bagderisn't that just like rockbox bootloaders doing it?
23:11:15Casainhodbgu_print_ascii("-F- Prefetch abort\n\r");
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23:12:18Casainhoscorche|sh: I am alsmosgt sure I am using gcc build from rockboxdev.sh! I did read wiki page and configure the path
23:12:52Casainhohmmm... so maybe I should remove things that may be using newlib... I will try ;-)
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23:29:59CasainhoI found somethings: build that application with GCC 4.0.3, I got that discarded sections... but with GCC 4.1.1, all go perfect....
23:30:45Casainhohowever, If I try to build RB bootloader with GCC 4.1.1, with the same code but diferent linker scripts, I got this errors:
23:31:07Bagderis that 4.1.1 really built the same way rockboxdev.sh does it?
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23:31:37Casainhohttp://pastebin.com/m78a245f4
23:32:34CasainhoBagder: I did build it using this simple instructions: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/wiki/BuildGNUToolchainForARM9
23:32:35BagderI'd say using that compiler is not the right answer anyway
23:32:54Bagder−−with-newlib ...
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23:34:50CasainhoBagder: and this error " ERROR: /usr/local/arm9/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.1.1/libgcc.a(_udivsi3.o) uses FPA instructions, whereas /home/cas/Documentos/RockboxPlayer/svn-code.google/trunk/rockbox_port/build/bootloader/bootloader.elf does not"
23:35:27*bluebrother wonders where this build instructions have been copied from
23:35:45BagderFPA is "Floating Point Accelerator"
23:35:52Casainhobluebrother: you have the link to originals on the end of the page
23:36:32BagderCasainho: again, going down that route seems like a bad choice to me
23:37:08bluebrotherah. A bit hidden, or the font in my browser is a bit tiny ;-)
23:38:35CasainhoBagder: I have 2 problems, the code is not working and I get warnings about that code discard... I would like to know If the code not working is because of that discard...
23:38:48Casainhowell, I am loose :-)
23:39:37BagderI didn't spot the discard problem, can you pastebin it for me again?
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23:43:38Casainhohere: http://pastebin.com/m7b2e1aee
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23:50:21Bagderwhich boot.lds is used, you seem to have two?
23:52:02Bagderand can you show us the full "make V=1" output of the build log?
23:52:52CasainhoI am using the first one... in dir at91sam
23:53:40Bagderand can you show us the bootloader.map?
23:56:06Casainhomake V=1: http://pastebin.com/m26e92f49
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23:57:59Casainhobut make V=1 also made some erros here: http://pastebin.com/m1c773415
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