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#rockbox log for 2008-09-21

00:00:40BigBambiOK, import duties :)
00:00:46andi__is it possible to figure out the version without actually having physical access to the player, i.e. any serial number on the box
00:00:52gevaertsNo
00:02:47andi__ok thanks
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00:06:21Kopfgeldjaegerandi__: the seller i bought from wrote the firmware number in the article description. and both my v2 (which i returned to amazon) and my v1 had a working hardware radio
00:08:23webguest40hey does anyone know how to get pictureflow working in my sansa e260? it says no album art found then i get a plug in error? Do I need song to be in a specific folder or what?
00:08:39bluebrotherdoes album art work at all?
00:08:39BigBambiIs the database initialised?
00:09:01webguest40initialised?
00:09:09webguest40well how do i get it to be initialized
00:09:12Kopfgeldjaegerwebguest40: the same thing happened when i tried that on my e260. but when i tried it again, it worked. may have to do something with the database, yeah
00:09:25BigBambiwebguest40: The manual contains all the answers
00:09:36*pixelma gets annoyed by more and more small bugs one can find when looking closer just for updating the documentation :/
00:09:44webguest40i cnt display manual
00:09:58webguest40im on my phone
00:09:59BigBambipixelma: Is there anywhere I can help?
00:10:07pixelmaBigBambi: on pictureflow and album art? I doubt it
00:10:15BigBambipixelma: On the manual
00:10:39bluebrotherthere is a html version of the manual available.
00:10:43pixelmamy first sentence referred to the infos you can find in the manual
00:10:45saratogado i have to change PLUGIN_API_VERSION if I add a function to the end of the plugin stuct?
00:10:50 Nick fxb is now known as fxb__ (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net)
00:11:02bluebrotherdirectly linked from the manual download page. So if you can display CGI::IRC you can display the manual.
00:11:15BigBambipixelma: Right, but I was talking about database initialisation
00:11:32BigBambiWhich AFAIK is in the manual :)
00:11:33amiconnsaratoga: yes
00:11:37saratogathanks
00:11:52amiconnThat value needs to be changed whever the plugin api struct changes
00:12:09webguest40where does PICture flow look for Albums???
00:12:12amiconnIf the change is backwards compatible (i.e. adding to the end), change only that
00:12:23BigBambiwebguest40: Does album art work?
00:12:36webguest40hwo shoudl I KNOW??
00:12:40bluebrotherwebguest40: is the database initialized?
00:12:47BigBambiwebguest40: By playing music
00:12:48webguest40i updated
00:12:54bluebrotherwebguest40: use a theme that supports album art and play some track?
00:12:56amiconnIf the change breaks backwards compatibility, you also need to increase PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION to the same value as PLUGIN_API_VERSION
00:12:59BigBambiwebguest40: Do you see album art when playing music?
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00:13:05webguest40I have Cabbie 2.0 theme
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00:13:14BigBambiwhich should show album art
00:13:42BigBambiSo if cabbie v2 is not showing art, then you don't have it set up properly - see www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
00:13:47webguest40no album art on my cabbie 2.0
00:13:56webguest40it works on normal firmware
00:14:03pixelmaBigBambi: tucoz recently posted this todo list http://pastebin.com/m21bd966a (did only one thing already - the pegbox screenshots). I'm currently fixing some small mistakes in plugin descriptions and noticed that some are undocumented: e.g. matrix, pictureflow, invadrox, superdom. Not sure what can be done about it until tuesday
00:14:03BigBambiIrrelevant
00:14:05Kopfgeldjaegerwebguest40: that's in the wiki. cover.bmp in the right folder should work for example
00:14:07webguest40there acutally is a album art :o
00:14:08bluebrotherwe do not care about the original firmware.
00:14:12webguest40mmk
00:14:24bluebrotheragain, we don't care about it.
00:14:34bluebrotherthe OF is only for usb mode :)
00:14:34webguest40i know im saying it does work in original like it does hav album art..
00:14:48BigBambiWhich is irrelevant
00:14:56bluebrotherand not of interest to anyone here
00:15:02saratogano the build table
00:15:16BigBambiwebguest40: Rockbox is completely different to any of the many original firmwares that the many different players in runs on use
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00:15:33gevaertssaratoga: not too bad ;)
00:15:50BigBambipixelma: I'll happily do some tomorrow
00:15:57bluebrotherRockbox is a _replacement_ firmware. As in, it has nothing in common with the original firmware. As in it doesn't care how the original firmware handles things.
00:16:46BigBambiWhich original firmware is also a valid point here - the iriver ones? The iaudio ones? The apple ones? The toshiba ones? etc etc
00:17:07pixelmathe Archos ones? ;)
00:17:27BigBambiyep :)
00:17:30bluebrotherthe sandisk one? The olympus?
00:17:47*BigBambi points out he got tired of typing and added etc :)
00:17:51amiconnArchos? And which one?
00:17:57bluebrotherany manufacturer we haven't covered yet?
00:18:12webguest40back so I just put a BMP in with the song so itll find it? oh btw MR einstein thank you for correcting me a thousand time when it is unneccsary :)
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00:18:35BigBambino, read www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
00:18:41*bluebrother gets annoyed by some webguest
00:18:43webguest40i did]
00:18:52BigBambiAnd surely you want to be corrected if you are asking for help and wrong
00:19:01bluebrotherand did you actually try it?
00:19:09BigBambiHe obviosuly didn't
00:19:09amiconnsaratoga: yellow
00:19:54*bluebrother considers it annoying having a guide, follwing it and before actually trying asking again if it's a 100% safe operation
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00:21:49saratogajust once i'd like to have a big commit go through without breaking something
00:24:10saratoganoooooo the build table
00:25:04BigBambiDoes anyone have a handy script to build all the sims?
00:25:42pixelmaah hwcodec
00:26:06gevaertsBigBambi: I have one (changed from Bagder's buildall)
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00:27:07amiconnsaratoga: Hwcodec doesn't have all that advanced threading crap ('cause it doesn't need it)
00:27:16BigBambigevaerts: Could you link/send/whatever is easiest it to me?
00:27:26saratogaamiconn: i didn't realize that, whats the proper check for it?
00:27:31saratogaifdef SWCODEC?
00:28:49gevaertsBigBambi: gevaerts/buildall-linuxsims.txt">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/buildall-linuxsims.txt (not .pl, I don't want trouble...). It marks things as 3.0RC though, you'll have to change that back if you want trunk
00:29:03BigBambigevaerts: OK, thanks
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00:30:43saratogaor rather I guess #if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC)
00:31:16amiconnyes
00:31:25amiconnThe semaphore functions are what is swcodec only
00:31:56amiconnThey're declared in codecs.h, as grep tells me
00:32:24amiconnevent_ too
00:32:39amiconnthread_thaw is all-targets
00:32:48saratogado you want the other functions on hwcodec if nothing is currently using them?
00:33:28amiconnWell, the general philosophy is that if a function needs to be exported *and* that function is available on all targets, it should be exported for all targets
00:33:55amiconnAs this is a quick fix, you don't need to change the api version again, imo
00:34:12amiconnJust put all but thread_thaw() in an SWCODEC block
00:35:29soapcongrats on the MP3 synthesis on COP, saratoga. I'm giddy with excitement.
00:35:46amiconnThe reason for this philosophy is that if you #ifdef out a function, and another target later needs it, it would break backwards compatibility for that target, and sinec we don't define the api versions per target, we'd need to break it for all targets
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00:36:53amiconnAnother reason is that it makes it easier for developers. Less #ifdefs-> better readable, and it's less likely to confuse a plugin developer (why does my plugin not build on target Y??)
00:37:03bluebrothersaratoga: nice improvement. Too bad most of my music is ogg ... *hint* ;-)
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00:39:47saratogabluebrother: jhMikeS and I discussed applying this approach to Vorbis, WMA and AAC as well
00:40:02saratogathey're just not as slow so it made less sense to start with them
00:40:40saratogawell that and I have more single threaded optimizations in mind for those codecs anyway
00:40:52bluebrothergood point.
00:41:30saratogathough if anyone else wants to get into codec optimizing, please don't let me get in your way
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00:48:24*pixelma can't think anymore and would need a nice sentence describing the bookmark feature of the text viewer
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00:51:30bishcan anyone help me with trying to get cover flow thing to work? i put the bmp cover in with the artist folder and renamed it to cover and it still wnt show in pic flow??
00:52:01bluebrotherdoes it show in the wps?
00:52:14bluebrotheris the database initialized?
00:52:39*BigBambi gets a feeling of deja vu
00:52:43*bluebrother points out that bish is the same as webguest40 :D
00:53:14bish?
00:53:21bluebrother!
00:53:38BigBambiThe answers are the same as when you asked them as webguest40
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00:54:07bishwebguest40? btw database is initialized
00:54:33BigBambiAnd does album art work in the WPS?
00:54:44bishwhere do i find the wps
00:55:03BigBambiPlay some music?
00:55:13bishhold
00:55:26BigBambibish: You were here not long ago as webguest40. We can see from your IP address
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00:56:52bishit shwos in wps but cnt find in flow
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01:00:56bluebrotherhave you rebooted after initializing the database?
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01:01:15bishyeh now i cnt find artist in database
01:03:05amiconnsaratoga: Why didn't you simply use #ifdef CPU_PP ?
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01:06:57amiconnAlso, now it won't be possible to compile a single core build for PP, and it seems like single core wastes some ram
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01:07:36amiconnAh, it's a single pointer (iiuc)
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01:08:06dany_21aanyone here, who can help me with variables in the rockbox-TWiki? (i mean defineing twiki-variables to provide some formating-helps)
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01:13:32saratogaamiconn: i asked you an hour or two ago what the proper define was . . .
01:14:21amiconnAH, hmm. T'was 2 hours ago actually :)
01:14:40saratogai'm still experiementing with this, so it can be changed with a future commit
01:14:43amiconnDid you check whether performance changes on single core (i.e. coldfire)?
01:15:09saratogaI did not, just checked that it worked correctly on the Gigabeat
01:15:40amiconnhmm....
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01:18:25saratogai don't think the pointer changes should really matter, but if they do I can work on that
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01:21:08pixelmadany_21a: what do you mean?
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01:23:13dany_21aokay... already found some solution... was just a formating problem... now i have a other problem... all in all: want something like this:
01:23:56dany_21ahttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2FWHacks
01:25:05dany_21aonly problem is: need to store the variable-definition in WebPreferences - Bagder, i think you have write-rights there... could you help me?
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01:26:15bluebrotherwhy such a code box? It only makes it harder to scroll it as you have to scroll the div element
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01:27:00saratogawow WMA is quite slow on the gigabeat, I get that 192k needs 51MHz
01:27:12dany_21abluebrother easyier to copy... ^A selects only code from one box - if there are more snippets
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01:28:09bluebrother^A selects the whole page for me
01:28:29saratogaVorbis too
01:28:48saratogai wonder if the Tremor IMDCT doesn't work well on the Gigabeat for some reason
01:29:28bluebrotherand it's really annoying if you scroll such a page −− as when hovering the box you're scrolling the box ...
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01:29:49dany_21abluebrother: ah sh.... , had a <textarea> version prior - oversaved it with my old div version...
01:30:29bluebrotherdoesn't make the scrolling issue any better
01:31:19dany_21ano - thats true. i just thought its easier to get a big collection of different code-snippets onto one page
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01:31:39dany_21a...whit this approach
01:31:42dany_21a*with
01:32:01hallflukaiwill rockbox ever be able to run on archos404
01:32:03hallflukai?
01:32:05hallflukai?
01:32:42gevaertsIf someone does the porting work
01:32:54hallflukai.... what does that mean
01:32:58pixelmabluebrother: do you know how I can force a newline in tex?
01:33:10bluebrothersomeone has to do a whole heap of work
01:33:16hallflukaiah
01:33:42hallflukaianyone here willing to do that?
01:33:48bluebrotherpixelma: \par or \newline should do it (with the former starting a new paragraph)
01:33:52bluebrotherhallflukai: no
01:34:19hallflukaioh dang :(
01:34:28bluebrotherplease read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
01:34:40gevaertshallflukai: usually people owning the hardware do the work
01:34:53hallflukaiso i should send them a request?
01:35:21bluebrotherplease read the NewPort page first
01:35:41hallflukaik tyvm
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01:37:03hallflukainope. notin for teh archos404
01:37:34BigBambiWe know
01:37:45BigBambiThat is what you have to do if you want Rockbox for it
01:38:04hallflukaiwhat do you have to do?
01:38:16BigBambiAll the things listed on the NewPorts page
01:38:16bluebrotherthis is a general page. Face it, that's the facts.
01:38:50pixelmabluebrother: it pretends that "there is no newline to end" there :\
01:39:02pixelma-new
01:39:27bluebrotherhuh? What do you want to achieve? Add vertical space?
01:39:45hallflukaiwhere is the newport page?
01:39:48bluebrother(i.e. put in multiple newlines without text)
01:40:04bluebrotherhallflukai: use the link I mentioned several times now
01:40:21hallflukaii w as gone i think :P
01:41:00bluebrotherno. You even responded after I posted the link
01:41:16hallflukaii did?
01:41:19BigBambiyes
01:41:23hallflukaii must not have been paying attention
01:41:28bluebrotheryou did. With some strange shortcut, which isn't wanted here BTW.
01:41:34hallflukaii have ados. attention deficet.... oooh shiny
01:41:59*bluebrother starts to get annoyed
01:42:23saratogathis reminds me, who can kick people from the channel?
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01:48:10pixelmabluebrother: hard to describe (in English at that time). I'm reworking the text viewer's menu description and have a problem with the nested menu structure - it's a bit like in the rockboy chapter (e.g. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-20400010.3.6 ) and the "Options... > Max Frameskip" part. In my reworked file that would be "Viewer Options > Encoding" which currently appear on one line and not below each
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01:49:51pixelmathe later items are fine. I used the same \begin{description} and \item setup there - only not the \ldots
01:51:43bluebrotherhmm. Possibly you have to write \textgreater{} instead of >
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01:52:49bluebrotheras for the Options... in the Rockboy chapter this has to be a nested description structure
01:53:00pixelmanah, I didn't use that in the tex file. This should explain the nesting here
01:53:51pixelmaas I said, I set it up the same, except the dots
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01:54:56pixelmaI think
01:55:24bluebrotherI'm not sure if I got you correctly −− Rockboy put a description environment inside of an item.
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01:55:47bluebrotherany reason you can't do this for the text viewer?
01:56:47pixelmaI did
01:57:41pixelmabut it seems to not want to work correctly with that one option
01:57:46bluebrotherthen it looks like I haven't understood your problem. Can you pastebin the code?
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02:07:25pixelmabluebrother: http://pastebin.ca/1207001 which looks like http://home.infocity.de/m.arnold/temp/viewer.png - I'd like to have the "Encoding" on the next line, indented
02:07:43pixelmalike "Word Wrap" etc.
02:08:23pixelmanot sure about the long encoding settings paragraph btw.
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02:16:25pixelmaI also wonder whether the list is "upside down" by the way (Quit on top etc.) but this is the order in which the options appear on my targets
02:16:50bluebrotherpixelma: this seems to be an issue with the pdf −− when checking the rockboy chapter in the pdf output it looks like your problem, but the html output has the break
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02:21:05pixelmahmm... true, why didn't I check? *mumbles something about being late*
02:21:55pixelmaI mean the time
02:22:59bluebrotherbut the behaviour in the pdf isn't nice.
02:23:14*bluebrother noticed the time a bit ago ;-)
02:23:34pixelmayeah, I think so too (about the pdf issue)
02:25:40thephilosopherwhy didnt the rockbox projet take the linux kernel as kernel ?
02:26:05bluebrotherbecause ipodlinux already did that.
02:26:13*bluebrother hides
02:26:51bluebrotherRockbox started on the archos players. Those have very limited CPU and memory. I can't think of any way to make the linux kernel run on those
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02:26:58pixelmawhy should it?
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02:28:40thephilosopherpixelma: to laverage all the device drivers and stuff
02:28:51thephilosopherplus new DAP are really powerfulll
02:29:07gevaertsthephilosopher: quick quiz : when did rockbox start?
02:29:17thephilosophergevaerts: i am really new
02:29:31gevaertsthephilosopher: you are, but rockbox isn't ;)
02:29:49BigBambiLinux is complete overkill for DAPs
02:30:04gevaertsAlso, how many of our devices are supported by linux? I guess less than 10%
02:30:09thephilosopherBigBambi: i really dont think so....
02:30:10bluebrotheranother question: how should the linux leverage device drivers and stuff if there aren't device drivers for the hardware used?
02:30:35BigBambithephilosopher: The rockbox kernel is much smaller, faster, .... etc and thus much more suited to low power low memory devices
02:30:43amiconnThe linux kernel is far too big for _really_ embedded devices
02:30:59thephilosopheri guess , i am really not a specialist
02:31:07gevaertsthephilosopher: how much RAM does the sansa clip have? Can the linux kernel ever fit? (yes I know, rockbox currently also wouldn't fit...)
02:31:22BigBambiThere is an enormous amount of extra stuff in the linix kernel than just isn't necessary here
02:31:25amiconnthephilosopher: Can you make linux run on a device with an 11MHz CPU, 2MB of RAM, and then still have 75% of this RAM available for buffering music?
02:31:27gevaerts(this is a new DAP...)
02:31:58thephilosopheraof course the kernel would have to be clean up a litle
02:32:04BigBambia little?
02:32:04amiconnThat is, squeeze the kernel, plus the player application, in ~500KB of RAM
02:32:22bluebrotherthen you get ... the Rockbox kernel with a different API?
02:32:34bluebrotherso what's the gain? Additional work?
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02:32:47BigBambiYou really should look at the differences between the Rockbox kernal and the linux kernel and compare them to the contraints of the devices Rockbox works on before commenting
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02:33:04BigBambi* kernel *constraints
02:33:39thephilosopherBigBambi: i saw the kernel structure... and it look really archique, so i ask why
02:33:57BigBambiarchique?
02:33:57gevaertsWhat's wrong with it?
02:34:06*gevaerts guesses archaic
02:34:12BigBambiah yes
02:34:15thephilosophergevaerts: yea my english is bad
02:34:28BigBambithephilosopher: It is small, fast, efficient, and does what is needed
02:34:45BigBambilinux is big, slower, does many more (to us) useless things, ....
02:35:03bluebrothernow make drivers kernel modules. What's the use of this on a dap?
02:35:24*gevaerts doesn't see what's archaic about rockbox
02:35:29*BigBambi neither
02:35:50thephilosopherBigBambi: yea my point is that with the new dap , with that still be true ?
02:35:53BigBambiHaving said that, I know nothing about the internals :)
02:36:12BigBambithephilosopher: Why stick something (relativly) big and bloated on when it isn't necessary?
02:36:33BigBambiWhy not needlessly use up still limited resources?
02:36:38BigBambi-not
02:36:40bluebrotherthephilosopher: well, just compare Rockbox and Ipodlinux.
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02:36:49gevaertsthephilosopher: so the question is, seven years ago, knowing that in 2008 there would be new DAPs, why didn't they use linux even if it didn't fit the players available then?
02:37:11BigBambiAnd still isn't the best answer now IMO
02:37:31thephilosophergevaerts: yea exactly
02:37:39BigBambithephilosopher: eh?
02:37:43bluebrotherROTFL :)
02:37:50BigBambigevaerts was disagreeing with you
02:38:12gevaertsthephilosopher: well, then the answer is : the rockbox project's official crystal ball was broken and needed repairs
02:38:22thephilosophergevaerts: i guess so
02:38:35BigBambieh?
02:39:05thephilosopheri am not an expert but the work on the rockbox kernel seem redondant now
02:39:14BigBambiwhy?
02:39:21bluebrothersome special reason: just using linux instead of writing an own kernel would have cut all the fun :)
02:39:28BigBambiIt is *still* smaller and more efficient than linux
02:39:31gevaertsNo. The work on linux is redundant, as rockbox is the better solution for DAPS
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02:39:46bluebrotherthephilosopher: this is nonsense. Kernels can be quite different, and the Rockbox kernel is really different from the linux kernel.
02:39:51BigBambiWhy stick something big and slow on just bbecause it is now possible?
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02:40:27bluebrotherwhy use an unsuited kernel if you can use a suited kernel as well?
02:40:28thephilosopherbluebrother: what i say is that the :effeciency" you guys are talkng about is not really important anymore
02:40:33BigBambiyes it is
02:40:35thephilosopheror soon wont be
02:40:39BigBambiYes it will
02:40:41gevaertsthephilosopher: if linux is so much better than rockbox for DAPs, why is ipodlinux much less popular than rockbox, and why is there no linux port for the other players? Surely linux has much more interested developers...
02:40:44bluebrotherthephilosopher: is is absolutely important.
02:41:01gevaertsthephilosopher: 5% efficiency loss equals 5% shorter runtime
02:41:10bluebrotherI want my player to run 14h rather than 2h.
02:41:19BigBambiFor a battery powered portable device efficiency is everything
02:41:39thephilosopherBigBambi: that a good point ...
02:41:49thephilosopherbut Mac os on the touch
02:41:55BigBambiNot full Mac OS
02:42:03thephilosopherand win ce on the zune show that it can be done...
02:42:14BigBambiWin CE does not equal windows
02:42:15thephilosopherBigBambi: we are talking about kernels here....
02:42:16amiconnAnd it's not just the efficiency itself, also some other concepts
02:42:28amiconnE.g. memory management
02:42:34bluebrotheryep. Use windows mobile, make the system slow and fat, and decrease battery runtime
02:42:41*BigBambi gives up
02:42:54thephilosopherbluebrother: dont find the zune to be that slow...
02:42:55bluebrotherwhy do you think does Rockbox increase the battery runtime for several players? Using magic?
02:43:18thephilosopherBigBambi: i see your point ... lol
02:43:25bluebrotherthephilosopher: then use a less powerful cpu instead.
02:43:45bluebrotherpoint is, we want to work with less powerful devices than the zune, and therefore the linux kernel isn't suitable.
02:43:48gevaertsthephilosopher: have a look at the sansa clip. It's a new player, on the market today. Now run linux on it
02:43:57bluebrotherif *you* want to work with powerful devices only, feel free so.
02:44:28BigBambiEven then linux/win ce/whatever is an inferior choice for a music/video player IMO
02:45:10thephilosophergevaerts: look at sony new walkman series...
02:45:21thephilosopherwe can find example on every side that prove any point
02:45:28BigBambiNo, you can't
02:45:41thephilosopherBigBambi: i just name 3
02:45:44gevaertsthephilosopher: rockbox can handle large devices just fine
02:45:44thephilosophernamed
02:45:48BigBambiJust because it *can* run linux (or whatever) doesn't make it better to do so
02:45:53bluebrother"CPUs are fast enough so we can waste CPU / battery / ... power" isn't a point.
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02:46:16amiconnthephilosopher: This just proves that linux and wince *can* run on *some* new daps. Not that it's a good choice to do so.
02:46:16gevaertsthephilosopher: we could also use oracle for the tag database. Surely that's a good idea!
02:46:29thephilosopherdoes rockbox have wifi/bleutooth ?
02:46:47bluebrotherit's like this java crap: it was dog slow in the beginning, and only because computers are faster now doesn't make it any better (and in fact it's still slow whenever I use a java program)
02:46:53BigBambiI could leave all the taps in my house on permanently - there is enough water. That doesn't make it a good idea
02:47:18BigBambithephilosopher: not currently, but if someone were to write one it could
02:47:20bluebrotherwhich supported players have wifi / bluetooth?
02:47:29thephilosophernone
02:47:36BigBambiergo it is not needed
02:47:41thephilosophermy point is that those module are allready in the linux kernel
02:47:43bluebrotherlet me think ... none. So there's no point. Why have a bluetooth stack if you don't need it?
02:47:45thephilosopherand wouldnt be needed
02:47:50bluebrothernonsense.
02:48:08bluebrotheryou most likely would need to write a new device driver for the specific hardware present in the player
02:48:21gevaertsthephilosopher: ok, so my previous question again : how many of the sound and lcd chips in our currently supported players have linux drivers?
02:48:43BigBambimy pc can already play music, so why bother with a dap?
02:49:04thephilosophergevaerts: not many... the point ?
02:49:05bluebrothermy stereo can play music, so why bother with mp3?
02:49:22BigBambithephilosopher: That if you have to write them anyway, what is the advantage of linux?
02:49:26advcomp2019thephilosopher, i think linux on a dap is overkill and lots of maybe wasted space in my opinion
02:49:37gevaertsthephilosopher: that's my question. We must use linux because it has all drivers. But it hasn't
02:49:38BigBambiadvcomp2019: We all do except thephilosopher
02:50:05*BigBambi thinks this is a pointless discussion. He isn't going to get it
02:50:07zeoverkill can be great though
02:50:26thephilosopherBigBambi: yea i dont think i can get it
02:50:28bluebrotherlike in coffee overkill? Nah.
02:50:43thephilosopherlet s the future tell us the truth
02:50:50BigBambiindeed
02:51:02gevaertsthephilosopher: you keep telling us things, and when we refute them you turn that around and pretend that you proved your point
02:51:11zethe future lies, and the past is a slut
02:51:17BigBambiI'am confident it will show that you are talking nonsense
02:51:19bluebrotherindeed.
02:51:27BigBambize: please don't
02:51:37thephilosopherze lol
02:52:04thephilosophergevaerts: what ? you just get what i am saying dint blame me
02:52:09bluebrotherthis is a technical channel, not a philosophical one. Or did I miss something?
02:52:33*bluebrother blames thephilosopher for the lost time
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03:09:06JdGordonhere, 4 or 5 times since thrusday, at different times so people were online
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08:29:45vitjabtw endpoint descriptor is filled so 0x81 and 0x01
08:31:12vitjawe may want to define USB_ENDPOINT_(IN|OUT)
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10:01:28amiconnHmm, the mipsel compiler does not build on my build server
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10:05:44*linuxstb reads yesterdays commits and wonders why saratoga didn't use HAVE_SEMAPHORE_OBJECTS and HAVE_EVENT_OBJECTS in plugin.[ch], and NUM_CORES to decide when to use the COP
10:06:29JdGordonbecause thre kernel api isnt documented well/at all?
10:06:37JdGordonthe*
10:07:26linuxstbIt's completely documented by the source... I just looked to see what #ifdefs were used around the definitions of the semaphore and event objects.
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10:17:08amiconnsaratoga (for the log): My speed test results for dualcore libmad: PP5002 (G2): 183%->303% rt (65% speedup), PP5020 (Photo): 203%->366% rt (80% speedup). PP5022 (Mini G2): 217%->383% rt (76% speedup)
10:18:18amiconnSingle core check (MCF5249, H1x0): 445%->449% rt, so basically no change (lies within the cache aliasing uncertainty)
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10:34:25Tobbyhi..
10:36:51TobbyIs there any people?
10:37:48advcomp2019Tobby, yes
10:38:02linuxstbTobby: Many, but you need to ask a question first...
10:38:30Tobbyhmmm, so RockBox isn't based on Linux , right?
10:38:41linuxstbRight
10:40:58Tobbyand, I've just installed the font package in the installer, but when I switch language, it turns into a mess
10:41:42linuxstbWhat language are you trying to use, and which font? Not all fonts include glyphs for all character sets
10:42:12TobbyTraditional Chinese
10:42:58linuxstbSee http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts
10:43:30linuxstbYou'll need to select one of those fonts - or use a theme using one of those fonts
10:44:28ajonatHi! I've been reading the manual and didn't find anything about how to make rockbox "sleep" so it resumes faster when pressing a key.. could you guys give me a hint?
10:45:08linuxstbIt can't.
10:46:46ajonatgreat.. it's not a big deal but i wanted to know anyway
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10:48:52TobbyWho knows when ipodlinux.org will be repaired?
10:49:23linuxstbThe people in #ipodlinux
10:50:28Tobbyoh okay~
10:55:27Tobbywhat kind of script does RockBox support?
10:57:09*ameyer doesn't think that rockbox supports any type of script
10:57:59linuxstbTobby: What do you mean by "script"?
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10:59:51linuxstbTobby: If you mean character encodings, see here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide
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11:10:34vitjaI'm going to commit this vitja/bootloader-allow-printf-wrap.diff">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/bootloader-allow-printf-wrap.diff can anyone take a look and ack this?
11:14:01linuxstbvitja: It's debatable if that's needed - bootloaders should know the LCD size in advance, so can just format text appropriately. But I see it's a small patch... Why do you want it?
11:14:32vitjalinuxstb: very useful for debugging...
11:15:22vitjalinuxstb: now I'm writting usb driver and messages are cutted
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11:16:14vitjabtw usbmon crashes kernel :(
11:19:49linuxstbvitja: I'm not sure. I can see it being useful, but on the other hand that function is used by many different bootloaders, and it seems unnecessary for normal (i.e. not debug) use. So you could wait to see what others think.
11:20:40vitjaok
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12:07:16JdGordonsaratoga: I got a bloody sdl app runing on my phone! pity its a few months late though :p
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12:20:16amrossihi all
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12:20:33amrossii've a little problem with rockbox and my ipod 4GB
12:21:04amrossii try to install this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download
12:21:49amrossii download the .bz2 file
12:22:21amrossidecompress and ./rbutilqt
12:22:58amrossii see the GUI, now i go to change button and i select the mount point and the version of my IPOD (4GB)
12:23:15amrossiso i go to Complet Install and Mistake
12:23:43amrossisuch as NO IPODS found
12:23:48amrossiwhy?
12:23:52amrossii don't understand
12:24:10ender`which ipod do you have?
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12:27:32amrossilike this
12:27:34amrossihttp://hitech.dvd.it/multimedia-player/mmp/apple-ipod-nano-4-gb-3-generazione-silver/dettaglio/id-1028773/
12:28:19amrossiApple ipod 4gb 3^ generation (silver)
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12:29:51amrossiautodetect dosn't works
12:30:24BigBambiamrossi: Is it a nano 3rd Gen?
12:30:42amrossiyep
12:30:49BigBambiRockbox doesn't work on that
12:30:57amrossi:-(
12:31:03BigBambiThe models it works on are listed on the front page of www.rockbox.org
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12:42:35amrossiwith my ipod, can i use Linux?
12:43:02linuxstbYes, Rockbox doesn't require any special PC-side software.
12:44:19amrossisorry, i don't understand
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12:45:03linuxstbWhat don't you understand?
12:47:46amrossiok, with my Ipod... rockbox dosn't work so i cannot use linux on my ipod
12:48:11desowinyou want to use linux *on* ipod, or computer with linux with ipod?
12:48:13amrossii would like rockbox to listen .ogg music file
12:48:24amrossilinux ON ipod
12:48:32linuxstbThen no
12:48:57amrossiis there a possibility to listen ogg file on my ipod?
12:49:30linuxstbNot until Rockbox (or another replacement firmware) is ported.
12:50:22amrossi:-(
12:51:32amrossino good
12:51:37BigBambi_sorry...
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12:51:49linuxstbThere are many other portable music players apart from the newer ipods...
12:52:01linuxstbSome play vorbis natively, others can run Rockbox.
12:52:07amrossii know...but i've this
12:52:13*linuxstb shrugs
12:52:19amrossi14o euro
12:52:31amrossii cry
12:53:29linuxstbHow long ago did you buy it?
12:54:05linuxstb(and did you buy it online)?
12:55:24amrossiabout 3 weeks
12:55:49amrossino, i buy it from a local shop
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12:56:20amrossithere is ipodlinux project
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12:56:32BigBambi_Which also does not run on newer ipods
12:57:13amrossiwow
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12:57:56amrossiis there a particular library that allow me to write into ipod Db with linux, is it correct?
12:58:12BigBambi_That is off topic for here
12:58:19desowinamarok handles iTunesDB just fine
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12:58:44BigBambi_amrossi: Newer ipods are encrypted and have new undocumented hardware. Until someone breaks the encryption (looking rather unlikely) nobody can even think about trying to discover how the hardware works
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13:17:48gevaertsvitja: yes. The PP controller doesn't have that sort of limitations on endpoint numbers, so I chose to use matching endpoint numbers together
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13:24:42Sylvai1Hi
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13:42:37Sylvai1Hi
13:42:45Sylvai1I have a problem with rockbox
13:43:27*gevaerts grabs his crytal ball
13:44:25gevaertsSylvai1: we can't help if we don't know what your problem is
13:44:33Sylvai1Yes.
13:45:00Sylvai1It is : I have some album which are compilations
13:45:19Sylvai1And I would like rockbox to sort them in one folder "Various artists"
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13:45:54Sylvai1e.g : "/Music/Various Artists/Compilation/track.ogg"
13:46:12Sylvai1But it makes one directory by artist who performed on the album
13:46:34Sylvai1e.g. : "/Music/One artist/great album/01 - track.ogg"
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13:46:51Sylvai1then "/Music/Other artist/great album/02 - track.ogg"
13:47:03Sylvai1then "/Music/Other artist2/great album/03 - track.ogg"
13:47:05Sylvai1etc....
13:47:08desowinyou mean database?
13:47:12Sylvai1Yes
13:47:18desowinif so, then you should tag files correctly.
13:47:33Sylvai1I read I should edit "Album artist" tag, and put something like "Various artists"
13:47:45Sylvai1But I don't find something to edit this tag
13:48:02Sylvai1Is there anything but iTunes which can edit this tag ?
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13:48:39Sylvai1I run Linux (Ubuntu), and I tried several tag editors but I didn't find one which can edit this *** tag.
13:49:27Sylvai1desowin: my files are correctly tagged
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13:49:48Sylvai1desowin: But I don't know how to edit "Album artist" tag
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13:51:58gevaertsSylvai1: you can always use vorbiscomment manually
13:52:43Sylvai1gevaerts: manually ? You mean I should put a comment in the ogg file using the "Comment" tag ?
13:52:51gevaertsNo
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13:53:37Sylvai1What do you mean, so ?
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13:53:46gevaertsvorbiscomment is a tool to manipulate "ogg tags"
13:53:55Sylvai1Yes, I found this on my computer
13:54:09Sylvai1And I can use it to set the "Album artist" tag ?
13:54:31gevaertsread the manpage
13:54:48Sylvai1I did it, but it doesn't say if there is a tag
13:54:55Sylvai1But it says to look at : http://xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
13:54:59Sylvai1Im gonna do it
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13:56:45Sylvai1Hmmm... there is not a "Album artist" tag. Should I use the "PERFORMER" tag ?
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13:57:26gevaertsI think you need "ALBUMARTIST"
13:57:58Sylvai1I can add it ?
13:58:20gevaertssure, why not?
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13:58:40Sylvai1Ah, OK
13:58:45Sylvai1I didn't know
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14:32:34Sylvai1gevaerts: Sorry, I was out
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14:33:00Sylvai1OK
14:33:35Sylvai1If i do sometinhg like vorbiscomment -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists", RockBox should use this tag automatically ?
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14:35:07gevaertsSylvai1: I think you need vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg newfile.ogg
14:35:13Sylvai1OK
14:35:17funmanyesterday I noticed clip's OF doesn't recognize lowercase comments
14:35:31funmaneven if the vorbis spec says it should be case insensitive
14:35:37Sylvai1I can use the same in and out file, eg vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg file.ogg ?
14:35:56funmanjust use 1 file.ogg
14:36:01Sylvai1OK
14:36:04Sylvai1vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists" file.ogg
14:36:07Sylvai1Is it ?
14:36:13funmanit's detailed in the manual of vorbiscomment
14:36:28gevaertsSylvai1: I don't think so
14:36:39gevaertsfunman: doesn't that use standard output then?
14:36:43funmanno
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14:37:00Sylvai1Th manpage says : To simply add a comment:
14:37:00Sylvai1 vorbiscomment -a -t ’ARTIST=No One You Know’ file.ogg newfile.ogg
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14:37:15gevaertsSylvai1: just try it with a copy
14:37:19funmanit uses stdout when you read the tags
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14:40:17Sylvai1I tried a test in console, have a look on : http://cjoint.com/?jvoN0fymjK
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14:41:37gevaertsSylvai1: that seems to work then
14:41:43Sylvai1Yes
14:42:03Sylvai1And here is the command I use to put the tag in all my files : ~/Medias/iPod/Music/Artistes divers $ find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \;
14:42:05Sylvai1~/Medias/iPod/Music/Artistes divers $ find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \;
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14:42:14Sylvai1find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \;
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14:42:49Sylvai1Oups, sorry !
14:42:51Sylvai1find . -type f -exec vorbiscomment -a -t "ALBUMARTIST=Artist Divers" {} \;
14:45:18gevaertsThat should do the trick then.
14:46:18Sylvai1And it worked
14:46:20Sylvai1Yes
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14:50:32Sylvai1Thanks for all
14:50:33Sylvai1bye
14:50:47gevaertshave fun
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15:29:52JdGordondoes anyone know what playlist->first_index does?
15:29:57JdGordonor why its needed?
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15:36:37JdGordonis it actually important that the insert position is remembered across playlist restarts?
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15:47:32JdGordonarr.... playlist->first_index seems to always be 0!
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15:57:00LearJdGordon: It is always zero in bookmark files (i.e., it is written as a hardcoded zero), so I doubt it is important...
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15:58:20JdGordonim talkiing about regular playlists though...
15:58:34JdGordoni've done every playlist operation i can think of and its always 0
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15:59:22LearDoesn't look like it would be zero all the time when reading the code. I get the impression the meaning could be "first insert index" or somesuch...
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16:00:14JdGordonyeah, its something like that, but playlists are always started with the 0 being the first index...
16:00:32JdGordonI'm tihning its an artifact from the begining of the playlist code
16:01:00JdGordonapart from lines setting global_status, there is only 3 lines which are newer than r4300
16:02:13LearCould be. But what happens if you queue a few tracks, add a few tracks, and then lets the queued tracks play (or skip them)?
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16:03:23JdGordonyou cant start a playlist with queued tracks
16:04:55LearOk, so add a track, queue a few, add a few, delete the first track and then skip/play the queued ones? :)
16:07:21JdGordonhmm... ok, queueing shuffled got it changing
16:07:22JdGordonnuts
16:11:03JdGordonok, so even if it is important... why does it need saving in global_status? shouldnt it be reset when the .playlist_control file is loaded? it seems the un/shuffle commands do set it but nothing else?
16:14:07JdGordonin fact... yes, global_status is set to 0 on init so it is compleltly useless it being saved
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16:20:03JdGordonnow we really are down to the important bits for resume info
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16:29:01JdGordonsoap: your server gone cactus?
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16:31:35soap?
16:32:24soapthe m-robe delta?
16:32:56JdGordonthe segfaulting gcc
16:33:07bertrikdelta-error :)
16:33:15soapwhat do I need to do? Upgrade gcc?
16:33:56JdGordondoesnt look like it.. your runing the same versions as farsan.haxx.se
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16:34:49soapand I've built that sim many times before without barfing segfaults.
16:34:59soapI think you broke something. ;)
16:35:36JdGordonsure... blame me :p
16:35:47JdGordonout of ram/disk space for the rbclient user?
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16:38:55soapdon't see how, he's on a generous quota.
16:41:34stripwaxWhen running cygwin update with http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin, I get an error from cygwin installer: "unable to get http://download.rockbox.org/cygwin/setup.ini.sig from <http://download.rockbox.org>" . Is download site missing some files?
16:41:38*rasher had mysterious segfaults on sdl sim as well
16:41:50soapbut, yes it does appear to be me. I can't build the Gigabeat F sim either, and limbus had no issue.
16:41:53rasherstripwax: run setup.exe with -x, I believe
16:43:11stripwaxrasher - ah, yes. I see that in wiki doc too, must be a new cygwin setup feature. thanks!
16:43:57stripwaxwiki was updated 30aug08
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17:29:24NorrinBack to see if anyone can help with flashing the latest Rockbox to my Archos Jukebox FM Recorder. Currently I get a "Checked: File Invalid. Blocksize too small?" error
17:29:36saratogaNico_P added me to a FS task about problems seeking in MP3, I guess this is because I broke it with the MP3 on COP patch?
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18:13:52NorrinAnyone up today or just lurking?
18:14:13NorrinI saw my issue posted on the forum but no one has responded to the other user either.
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18:17:05domonokyNorrin: so you "rolo'ed" into the new version and tried the excute the new ucl image ?
18:17:15NorrinYep, exactly.
18:18:35Learsaratoga: No, I added you... :)
18:19:04NorrinVerified I'm running the same version rolo'ed as what I'm trying to flash and it gives me the error described above.
18:20:05LearAnd it's not only that file. I've found one more, but I couldn't reproduce it with a couple of other files.
18:20:51saratogaLear: i don't have a DAP handy, but looking at it theres a comment that says not calling mad_init causes glitches when seeking
18:20:58saratogaand i don't call mad init on the data on the COP
18:21:02saratogaso its probably that
18:21:38LearYes, I suspected something like that.
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18:23:13domonokyNorrin: i am not sure what causes this error, but the code gives this error, when the size in the header doesnt match the filesize... maybe the ucl file is somehow broken ?
18:24:06NorrinI've tried it with several builds over the last month with no success. Erased everything rockbox oriented on the drive and started over and still no luck.
18:24:24NorrinNot sure when a change took place as I've had great success with Rockbox for years now.
18:25:50domonokyNorrin: it may be also broken, there are probably not many people anymore which use this feature... maybe you should open a bug tracker entry...
18:26:30NorrinThere was one other who mentioned it on the forum. I'll look at opening a bug tracker. Thanks!
18:26:37domonokyalso: if you have rockbox flashed, its not enough to clean the disk to remove all rockbox things.. you would need to reflash the OF...
18:28:41domonokyanother question: did you use "rombox" before, or only normal rockbox in flash ?
18:29:16domonokyafaik "rombox" doesnt exist anymore, because of size constrains...
18:30:58NorrinCan't find the rombox.ucl file, only the rockbox.ucl.
18:31:16NorrinTried the same what I had been doing it many times before.
18:31:38NorrinBoot recorder, rolo current version, play/run rockbox.ucl.
18:31:51NorrinWorked many times before, now it gives me the error.
18:33:46domonokythen please open a bug tracker entry with as many info you can get.. :-)
18:34:51NorrinYep, doing that as we speak. Thanks!
18:35:31NorrinWhat category do you think this would best fit in to?
18:35:53gevaertsWhich players without expansion slots are the easiest to test multivolume on? (i.e. they don't break down because the boot rom doesn't like the partition table and things like that)
18:36:24NorrinBootloader?
18:37:05domonokyNorrin: os, or plugins, but nothing really fits it :-)
18:37:29*gevaerts had the same problem with FS #9409 yesterday :)
18:39:30domonokygevaerts: perhaps iriver hxx0, because they have a rockbox bootloader usb mode ?
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18:39:51gevaertsdomonoky: ah, yes. Good idea
18:40:23vitjagevaerts: could it be a problem if usb_drv_send_nonblocking() is actually blocking and calls usb_core_transfer_complete()?
18:40:46gevaertsAnd bootloader is flash, so loading the rockbox bootloader can't fail because I did interesting things with the disk
18:41:46NorrinBug tracker has been added concerning the flashing.
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18:42:00gevaertsvitja: that probably won't be very speed efficient, but it shouldn't cause problems.
18:43:01vitjagevaerts: so I should fill in fifo in usb_drv_send...() and then call usb_core_transfer_complete() from interrupt?
18:44:26gevaertsvitja: something like that, yes. Be careful though as the fifo probably handles individual packets, and usb_drv_send() works with entire transfers (so it can ask to send e.g. 16k in one call)
18:44:58gevaertsSo you probably need a layer in between
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18:52:01gevaertsvitja: about the usb_drv_recv() thing we talked about yesterday : I think you can set the INHLD bit in the endpoint control register to 1 from usb_drv_recv(), and back to 0 on transfer completion
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18:55:06gevaertsvitja: I *think* that if you implement all usb_drv_*() calls as blocking, everything should mostly work. They need to be nonblocking to allow for multiple simultaneous transfers, like when you use both UMS and usb serial, but that's not very important when you're trying to get things started
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19:42:14TheDarkOneso the faq says that to keep the ipod from going into disk mode when i hook up the USB cable, i hold down menu, but it doesn't stop it :/
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19:51:29gevaertsTheDarkOne: it does here
19:51:49TheDarkOneweird, it doesn't at all for me
19:51:57TheDarkOne4th gen?
19:52:02bluebrotherdo you have a recent build?
19:52:07gevaerts5th gen and end gen mini
19:54:23gevaerts2nd gen mini that is
19:56:45TheDarkOneyeah, it's like 2 weeks old
19:56:47TheDarkOnebut yeah
19:57:24gevaertsrecent enough. Are you really holding menu all through the pluging in?
19:58:03TheDarkOneyeah
19:58:18TheDarkOneversion is r17611-000522
19:58:25TheDarkOnelemme try again just for shits and giggles
19:58:41TheDarkOneso hold it before i plug, and as i plug, and after i plug, right?
19:58:54gevaertsyes
19:59:10gevaerts(not forever of course)
19:59:13TheDarkOneboots into disk mode
19:59:21TheDarkOnestill
19:59:34*gevaerts asks one more question
19:59:44gevaertsIs that from power-off, or from running rockbox?
19:59:50TheDarkOnerunning rockbox
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20:00:06TheDarkOneand i've tried from power off too
20:00:13*gevaerts still suspects that TheDarkOne does something wrong
20:00:28TheDarkOnei hope i am, although it seems too simple to screw up
20:00:29TheDarkOnelol
20:00:29bluebrothertimestamp 000522?
20:00:56TheDarkOnei just copied it on there about 2 weeks ago i think
20:00:59bluebrotherthat's impossible.
20:01:05TheDarkOneor
20:01:07TheDarkOne080522
20:01:12TheDarkOnelol sorry
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20:01:16bluebrotherit's an official build from rockbox.org?
20:01:22TheDarkOneyeah
20:01:41TheDarkOneshould i go with daily build and see if that fixes it?
20:01:46gevaertsThat's from may
20:01:57bluebrotherstrange. The second part of the version number is strange −− r17611 wasn't in year 2000
20:03:00TheDarkOnethat's what i got from current build the like 2 weeks ago
20:03:01gevaertsTheDarkOne: please do.
20:03:06TheDarkOneso lemme try with daily build
20:03:07TheDarkOnesec.
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20:03:17gevaerts080522 is not a current build from 2 weeks ago
20:04:00bluebrother000522 is an impossible timestamp, and r17611 was on May 22. So the 00 should be 08 :)
20:04:02TheDarkOnei dunno, i just know i downloaded/copied 2 weeks ago
20:04:07TheDarkOnebluebrother: it was 080522
20:04:13TheDarkOnei mistook the 8 for a 0
20:04:23gevaertsIt's a current build from four months ago. Where did you download that from?
20:04:30bluebrotherand a build from may wasn't online two weeks ago ... unless you picked an outdated mirror
20:04:32TheDarkOnerockbox.org
20:04:37TheDarkOnemaybe i did something wrong
20:04:40TheDarkOne*shrug*
20:05:12*bluebrother has the impression TheDarkOne picked the oldest build around on that download mirror ...
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20:05:35TheDarkOnenot that i know of :P
20:05:52TheDarkOneok, lemme reboot it now
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20:06:34bluebrotherwell, just put a recent build on it ;)
20:06:43TheDarkOneeh, worked now
20:06:53gevaertsOK. probably a bad build then
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20:06:54TheDarkOnei guess i screwed up the update somehow
20:07:06TheDarkOneusually i can just copy and overwrite everything, no?
20:07:12gevaertsyes
20:07:27*gevaerts does recommend rbutilqt however
20:07:51TheDarkOnei
20:07:56TheDarkOnei'm in windows half the time
20:08:01gevaertsso?
20:08:15TheDarkOneqt gives me the impression it uses qt :P
20:08:21gevaertsyes, and?
20:08:41TheDarkOnei guess it is cross platform, isn't it :/
20:08:42TheDarkOnelol
20:08:54gevaertsyes it is
20:08:54bluebrotherit is.
20:09:02bluebrotherBut I have no idea what's so funny about this ...
20:09:19bluebrotherthe reason we use this toolkit is that it is cross platform ...
20:09:21TheDarkOnejust bad habit of putting lol after everything
20:09:50BigBambiAn annoying habbit
20:09:56*bluebrother never understoods such annoying habits
20:10:49TheDarkOnei've tried to drop it but it's too ingrained in my being :(
20:11:04BigBambiTry harder
20:11:23bluebrotherpull the lol key from the keyboard
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20:12:35bluebrotherget some better habit. Like using the shift key instead to use proper capitalization. Takes up some thinking, so you can completely forget about the lol button :D
20:12:38lasserHi there
20:13:00lasserfirst excuse my bad english, i never learnd it right.
20:13:12lasserI have a problem with rockbox build 18561
20:13:13zelasser: american? :p
20:13:26bluebrothernoone forbids you to start learning it right :P
20:13:42lasserze: german :-)
20:14:04lasserthe downloaded and the self-compiled version runs into an error
20:14:06lasserData abort
20:14:13lasserat 000015E (0)
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20:14:20bluebrotherdownloaded and self compiled?
20:14:30gevaertslasser: which player? And what are you doing at that point?
20:15:03bluebrotherwhich host OS? Which compiler version? Any patches?
20:15:23lasserthe player is an e280, I'm only switching the player on,
20:15:32*gevaerts assumes that if the downloaded version has the same errors, we don't care much about host things
20:15:37lasserhost os debian etch'n half
20:15:58lasserno patches
20:16:12bluebrotherare you using the recommended compiler version?
20:16:21gevaertsSo just switching on does that? No restarting playback involved or anything?
20:16:24bluebrotherand how did you build the compiler? Using rockboxdev.sh?
20:16:30lasserthe last running version I have is 18341 with charging-patch
20:17:04gevaertslasser: just to confirm I understand things correctly : the official build also has this?
20:17:09lasserbluebrother: yes
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20:17:30lassergevaerts: yes, it's the official current build 18561
20:17:49lasserand 18560 too
20:18:02gevaertsDoes 18341 still work if you put it back?
20:18:18lassergevaerts: yes it does
20:18:29*bluebrother spots something in the build table ...
20:18:31bluebrotherJdGordon|zzz: red
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20:19:05gevaertsbluebrother: he knows. build server issue
20:19:12*bluebrother goes installing r18561 on his sansa
20:19:17bluebrothergevaerts: ah, ok.
20:20:53bluebrotherhmm. Just put that version on my sansa and it works fine.
20:21:00bluebrotherDo you have resume information stored?
20:21:42lasserbluebrother: I think yes. Everytime I switch the thing on it resumes.
20:22:04bluebrotheryou could try resetting the settings upon startup.
20:22:23gevaertslasser: just to make sure, can you check the filesystem on the sansa? (using fsck.vfat)
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20:22:57lasserbluebrother: iirc with pressing REC at startup?
20:23:14lassergevaerts: ok, I'll do that now, moment please...
20:23:29gevaertslasser: it is REC, yes
20:23:44*bluebrother too slow
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20:29:34lasserfsck detects differences between boot sector and its backup and reclaims 1 unused cluster.
20:29:42lasserI didn't change anything...
20:29:56lassershould I
20:30:40gevaertsCan you make a backup of .rockbox before you try clearing the settings?
20:31:10*gevaerts suspects that clearing the settings will solve the issue, but we still won't know what caused it
20:31:33lassergevaerts: yes, it does! thank you!
20:31:43massiveHyou can save the settings to a .cfg file
20:31:52lassereverything is running...
20:32:33lassermassiveH: yes, because of false pressing REC at startup I had to learn that :-)
20:33:03bluebrotherpressing rec at startup only loads the defaults. You still can load the settings file config.cfg manually afterwards
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20:33:22bluebrotherunless you changed the settings and the new ones overwrote that file, obviously
20:33:24massiveHlasser, I learned the hard way too
20:33:37lassermassiveH: :-)
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20:40:41thephilosopherwich ide do you guys use ?
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20:42:23*domonoky thinks that most devs here dont use any IDE, the shell with gcc and a good editor is enough :-)
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20:46:29*bluebrother uses a really powerful IDE called "gvim" :D
20:47:31BigBambidomonoky: That's because Rockbox is archaic
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20:48:13thephilosopherBigBambi: get over it
20:48:30BigBambithephilosopher: excuse me?
20:48:44thephilosopherdomonoky: That's because Rockbox is archaic
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20:56:15vitjagevaerts: something strange happends queue_post() doesn't work at some point
20:57:53gevaertsvitja: weird
20:58:34vitjayeah..
20:58:35markunhi vitja!
20:58:43vitjahi
20:58:46markunI tried your objdump annotation tool
20:59:10markunquite nice, although we had to resort to IDA to understand some of the code
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21:00:26markun(while looking at the Meizu M6SL firmware together with gevaerts)
21:00:45vitjahmm that was hard to read listings in ordinary viewer as they were more that 16Mb
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21:02:24vitjagevaerts: after calling usb_core_transfer_complete() from IRQ I don't get in usb thread main loop with TRANSFER_COMPLETE
21:03:39vitjamarkun: js needs some improvements
21:03:40gevaertsvitja: I assume that's not for control?
21:04:28*gevaerts finds this strange
21:04:29vitjagevaerts: for bulk after usb_drv_send_nonblocking() I get interrupt and call handler
21:06:31vitjabtw at the point I definitly get to usb_signal_transfer_completion() but not to usb_thread(), if I re-insert usb cabel usb thread receives events back
21:06:58gevaertsso the thread is really still running...
21:07:18vitjayeah..
21:08:00vitjaguess something is missed at my side
21:08:10gevaertsoh wait...
21:08:50gevaertsYou did usb_drv_send_nonblocking() blocking for now I guess?
21:09:28vitjano now it's non-blocking
21:09:41gevaertshmm, that's not it then
21:10:17vitjamay be I forget to init something, I'm running from bootloader
21:10:29gevaertsCan you check if it really gets to the queue_wait() in usb_thread()?
21:10:47gevaertsIt may be stuck in the code that does the usb_drv_send_nonblocking()
21:10:48vitjathen usb_init();usb_start_monitoring(); and sleep(HZ/10) forever
21:11:39vitjayeah sure
21:12:03gevaertsAt least I think that's more likely than queue handling being broken somehow
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21:12:35vitjahmm may be I should check compile warnings for stupid errors
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21:19:30vitjagevaerts: strange thing if I do print in ..._nonblocking() before restoring interrupts that prints otherwise - no
21:20:50gevaertsthat seems to point to a bug in the interrupt handler
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21:27:00vitjagevaerts: dont't you wanna to take a look at the code?
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21:27:25scolesHey I'm having problems getting rockbox to run on my ipod 4g color
21:28:11scolesI've already read through the manual and all that stuff and theres nothing in there to help
21:28:31gevaertsvitja: I would, but I need to leave in a few minutes. I don't know if that's enough to do anything useful
21:29:46gevaertsscoles: maybe it would help if you said what exactly the problem is
21:30:49vitjagevaerts: btw it's here and dirty enough vitja/usb-tcc77x.c">ftp://stop.qc.to/vitja/usb-tcc77x.c and I'm going to sleep now.
21:31:14scolesok, i recently replaced my battery and put in a cf card and i tried to restore it in itunes and it says to put it in the wall adapter which i dont have so i decided to use rockbox, it installs fine just like it said in the manual, the bootloader even installs fine but it won't reset and boot into rockbox
21:31:50scolesi can reset but i get teh apple logo and the folder icon
21:32:22gevaertsscoles: if you're using a CF card, you probably need a newer bootloader. There are prebuilt ones at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369
21:33:04gevaertsvitja: ok. I'll try to find something
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21:33:26amiconnIf you restore in itunes and the ipod displays that you need to plug in the wall adapter, you *must* connect it, or you won't get anywhere
21:34:19scolesok, do i have to have the "real" adapter cause i have a newer one i use to charge my other ipod and it won't finish the restore when i plug it in
21:34:31scolesits a third party one
21:35:05amiconnYou need one that provides the power on the firewire power pin (+12V), an USB charger won't work
21:35:18amiconnA powered firewire port _might_ work, but I'm not sure
21:36:40scolesi've got the apple usb cable would going and buying the official wall charger at the store be what i need?
21:37:01scolesbecause that's what it tells me to plug it into
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21:42:56scoleshow do I use that bootloader he gave me the link to up there?
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21:45:13scotty_007scoles: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher
21:48:08scolesi mean how do i take the file for my ipod (4g color) and get it onto my pc?
21:48:39bluebrotherdownload it?
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21:48:58scolesyes i just get some funky letters when i click on it
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21:49:21Phyro-Manehi there
21:49:33scolesthis is what he gave me the link to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9369 and how do I download the file for my ipod
21:49:39bluebrotherwell, how about the "save as" functionality of your browser (hint: try the right mouse button)
21:49:49scolesi just get a htm file
21:49:57bluebrotheryou have a browser issue.
21:50:21scolesi'll try it in internet explorer then
21:50:34bluebrotherI'd expect that to work worse.
21:50:56bluebrotherjust take the link on that page and instruct your browser to save it to a file.
21:51:17scotty_007scoles: did you use the "save as" from File menu?
21:51:34scotty_007would explain the saved html file
21:51:34Phyro-Manecan somebody tell me if rockbox is already running on the Sandisk Fuze? Or is the Fuze only another name for e/c200 series?
21:51:40BigBambiNo, and no
21:51:54BigBambii.e. it is a) different and b) doesn't work
21:52:14BigBambiand incidently the e200 and c200 series are different from each other too
21:52:36Phyro-Maneah, ok. thanx a lot
21:52:41scolesi've clicked on it and i get the weird characters and i've right clicked on it and saved and i get the html file with the weird characters
21:53:03Phyro-Maneis there hope that rockbox will be available for this players in near future?
21:53:08scolesfunny enough Internet Explorer just worked
21:53:18BigBambiThere are no time estimates given
21:53:25scolesmaybe its cause my firefox is out of date
21:53:51bluebrotherscoles: well, if the save dialog adds a html extension you get a "html" file
21:53:54BigBambiPhyro-Mane: People work on Rockbox is their spare time, and as volunteers. It is impossible to say when (or perhaps even if) progress will be made, or how quickly
21:54:19*bluebrother thinks that using save as from the context menu is basic browser usage.
21:54:25Phyro-Manealright. would´ve loved to run rockbox on that player too. whatever, no doom during school
21:54:40scoleshmmm don't know either way I've not got the .ipod where do i go from there
21:55:20scoles*i've now got
21:56:31bluebrotheruse ipodpatcher.
21:57:00Phyro-Manegood evening guys, thanks for your help
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21:57:43scolesok so i use the −−add-bootloader (-a) filename.ipod
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22:05:50scolesi wrote the new bootloader and i still go back to the apple screen when i reboot
22:06:46bluebrotherdo you have the hold switch enabled?
22:07:11scolesthe hold switch is currently off
22:08:38bluebrotherdid ipodpatcher show success after adding the bootloader?
22:08:46scolesyes it did
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22:09:18bluebrotherhow did your command line look?
22:09:39scoleswhen i wrote it?
22:10:01bluebrotherthe command you wrote down to start ipodpatcher, yes.
22:10:05scotty_007scoles: as amiconn mentioned above: If you restore in itunes and the ipod displays that you need to plug in the wall adapter, you *must* connect it, or you won't get anywhere
22:10:27*bluebrother forgot about that
22:10:31scolesD:\Documents and Settings\scoles\Desktop>ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodcolor.ip
22:10:36scolesoh
22:10:54scoleswell can i go buy the wall adapter at the store and will it work?
22:13:04scolesShould it work? cause I don't wanna drop $30 unless it should
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22:16:28BigBambiscoles: Probably, but nobody is going to guarantee that - it is impossible for us to know if you have other problems too
22:18:44scolesi'm aware of that
22:19:39scolesi just wanted to know if it should so i don't go buy something i dont need thats all, so thanks for all the help i'm gonna go buy it now
22:20:59domonokybluebrother: feel free to change it, while keeping the strings for the settings in one place (and preferably with some compiler checking against misstypings)
22:21:44bluebrotherdomonoky: I already have that on my todo list (currently that class is somewhat inconsistent), but I really need to finish the bootloader stuff first.
22:21:58bluebrotherI'm working on that already for too long now ...
22:22:26bluebrotherand the settings class just has to become more mature ;-)
22:22:52bluebrotheralways this issue with grown code ;-)
22:22:57domonokyjup..
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22:23:37domonokyso why not commit the bootloader rework as fast as possible ? we can build the next rbutil release out of the 3.0 branch..
22:24:31scotty_007scoles: or you know someone who owns the wall apapter. this needs to be done only once after restoring.
22:25:37bluebrotheryeah, thought about that too. Only backup is missing right now (and I'm looking it the same time)
22:26:10bluebrothershouldn't be too much work left now, and if it causes some glitches we can fix that later
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22:47:36amiconnUmm
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22:48:46amiconnPCM still needs a lot of work on the beast
22:51:03amiconnPlugin buttons too
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23:09:16bluebrotherhmm. Can I create a file containing a : on windows? (I know explorer doesn't allow me to do, but can windows cope with that?)
23:09:31amiconnnope
23:09:49amiconn: is explicitly forbidden because it's a path separator
23:10:15bluebrotheron windows?
23:10:59bluebrotherI know it's path separator on linux (but you can still create files containing it)
23:11:18amiconnFor the drive...
23:12:13bluebrotherah, true. Forgot about that.
23:13:03amiconn...and also for protocols, as winodws explorer can access e.g. WebDAV paths
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23:35:20webguest76hey can someone help me with wps thing?
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23:35:51bluebrotheronly if you ask your question
23:35:58BigBambiwebguest76: www.rockbox,org/wiki/CustomWps
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23:50:33webguest49ahh i keep getting disconnetecced, but i downloaded a wps and put it in the wps folder in my ipod video and i tryed opening it and i cant, i downloaded a bunch of others and i keep having the same wps
23:52:08mmadiaRockbox r18560 crashed while playing the asteroid's clone game on my sansa e280. The screen is displaying "Undefined instruction 00000484 (0). The power button is non-responsive. Attaching the unit to my USB port fails to reboot the device as well. What can I do?
23:52:34webguest49.
23:53:27gevaertsmmadia: hold power for a long time (could be 30 seconds). That will reset the player
23:54:37mmadia*sigh of relief* thanks gevaerts.
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23:55:28gevaertsmmadia: spacerocks is known to be buggy unfortunately
23:55:59webguest49can someone help me open my wps file?
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23:56:59mmadiagevaerts: on a sidenote, i've been tweaking some theme files for the e200. should i pursue getting wiki write access or ... ?
23:57:19gevaertsmmadia: sure, why not?
23:58:04mmadiawebguest49: in my limited experience, the theme files i install usually are extracted to the root directory of the device.
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