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#rockbox log for 2008-09-25

00:00:40rasherI think the feed should survive that as long as the current lines are kept unchanged, and in the same order
00:00:46Nico_Pok
00:00:47*Llorean thinks we should get the people who are distributing voices via our mailing list to clarify the licenses on the engines they're using, and then contribute (or possibly, stop posting)
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00:02:06*Nico_P requests for comments: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges
00:02:19samdouglasIs there anywhere I can find older builds of Rockbox still? (older than a couple of weeks)
00:03:19gevaertsNico_P: looks good
00:03:27Lloreansamdouglas: You can compile them yourself. Why do you need them?
00:04:36samdouglasLlorean: I have no sound on an Olympus mrobe m100 using the latest builds, and 3.0
00:04:59bluebrotherNico_P: nice.
00:05:18Lloreansamdouglas: Did you file a bug report?
00:05:22bluebrothersamdouglas: already tried resetting the settings?
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00:06:37samdouglasLlorean: not yet, Flyspray was being really slow and gave errors like "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/adodb/adodb.inc.php on line 2859 " which is probably also noteworthy
00:06:48bluebrotherNico_P: now marking those changes that have been left out of 3.0 would be nice. Not sure if that's worth the hassle though.
00:07:06rasherNico_P: Parser still works as well
00:07:08Nico_Pbluebrother: which changes are you thinking of?
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00:07:12Nico_Prasher: great :)
00:10:38bluebrotherNico_P: stuff like md5sum left out of 3.0, and support for new players that aren't 3.0 targets.
00:10:54samdouglasLlorean: does not give any error any more, but after attempting to log in I get to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ and it is an empty page
00:11:20Nico_Pbluebrother: ah, I see what you mean
00:11:59gevaertsI'd just add a note to the effect that the MajorChanges page lists all changes, some of which may be left out of a release
00:12:38Lloreansamdouglas: Try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2
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00:15:20bluebrotherthe tracker still being broken isn't a good thing :(
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00:22:28Nico_Pgevaerts: maybe we can enable rockbox USB by default in trunk now?
00:23:11gevaertsNot sure. I think it needs more thought
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00:25:34Lloreangevaerts: Due to bus resets, or sansa issues?
00:28:47pete-fmrecUKHi, I'm trying to flash v3.0 onto an FM Recorder, but can't find the firmware_fm.bin file - is this ready or am I jumping the gun on the new release ?
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00:35:17gevaertsLlorean: bus resets. On the sansa I think it's a clear no
00:36:14gevaertsLlorean: if we can provide an easy way to disable it again, I'm not against enabling it for the other targets
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00:43:05pixelmapete-fmrecUK: I believe there are no new bootbox files available yet, this needed some fixing. I am not sure of the current status but someone wanted to look into providing them too the next days
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00:45:23samdouglasWeird. Sound started working on various versions. Must have not fully reset of something
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00:45:51homieloweHas this one been posted yet? http://lifehacker.com/5054229/rockbox-30-supercharges-your-mp3-player will add to ArticlesAboutRockbox
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00:46:04Nico_Phomielowe: yes, it has
00:46:13n1shomielowe: already done :)
00:46:15*homielowe feels redundant
00:47:56pete-fmrecUKpixelma; Thanks for the reply, I'll stick with 2.5 then, I am keen to try new features but will happily stick with the excellent 2.5. It makes my big old FM Recorder my favourite player.
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01:19:33samdouglasThe battery cutout level with Rockbox on the m100 is annoyingly low. Each time I turn the player on it decides that the battery is completely flat and eventually works up to a more reasonable charge level... if it doesn't cut out before then
01:20:42Lloreansamdouglas: How old is your battery?
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01:23:20samdouglasLlorean: to be honest, I am not sure, I only just acquired this, but it wasn't really used at all for the last year. The original firmware shows a much more reasonable charge level though
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01:24:02Lloreansamdouglas: So the battery's at least a year old?
01:24:11samdouglasyeah
01:24:16LloreanUse doesn't factor as much into it as age does unless you've been keeping it in a very cold environment.
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01:26:08LloreanDo you get a message from Rockbox when it "cuts out" or what?
01:27:40samdouglasLlorean: Yes, Rockbox detects the battery level as being 0% (when in fact it is fully charged) Rockbox gives a message like "Battery empty, RECHARGE; shutting down"
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01:28:03samdouglasI just started into the Olympus firmware which shows the battery as being fully charged
01:29:40Lloreansamdouglas: So, the fact that Rockbox shuts down when your battery briefly reports 0% is the problem?
01:30:22samdouglasLlorean: that appears to be the case
01:31:15LloreanI'd suggest "0%" is not an unreasonably low cutoff point.
01:31:30LloreanDoes the OF even attempt to do low battery shutdown, or does it just run until empty?
01:34:27samdouglasLlorean: I'm not sure, I haven't used the OF because it is pretty crap. According to System - Debug - View battery, the level is at 3.586V, which going by the voltage calibration spreadsheet I found on the Rockbox site puts it at very low battery.
01:35:22LloreanSo the battery actually is very low, and the OF is wrong, or Rockbox is reading the battery wrong.
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01:36:57amiconnLlorean: It's probably the integration that's quite a bit off after bootup
01:37:26amiconnI guess this is because the high startup current lowers the reading, which is then used as a starting point
01:37:33powerjuceis there a place where i can get different screenshots of rockbox
01:37:43Lloreanpowerjuce: The manual
01:37:56samdouglasLlorean: well, the OF reported it was pretty flat when I got it, and less flat when charging and now having charged for a couple of hours is reporting pretty much full battery. There is quite a lot of variation in the battery graph
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01:38:14amiconnI observe this effect on many targets, with varying severity
01:38:16samdouglasthat rockbox debug gives
01:41:03powerjucewhere can i get the bot that logs this channel?
01:41:36Lloreanpowerjuce: It's an old, old bot called Dancer, I believe
01:42:01powerjuceok
01:42:14powerjucecool thanks for the help (about rockbox or otherwise)
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01:44:49samdouglasI will try hacking around with it later.
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03:47:55humblegod538Hello, I just registered for the rockbox wiki and would like write permissions to upload an .fmr
03:48:03humblegod538Username is BradEmmons. Can anyone here do this?
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03:49:47star_jasminehey everyone. congrats on 3.0. its great. I have a question. the rockbox utility has the option for sapi 4 voice creation, but it won't creae a working voice. i creates one with a file size of 8kb. is there something I am doing wrong?
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03:50:23saratogai've added BradEmmons to the wiki
03:50:33star_jasmineceate a voice rather
03:50:38star_jasminecreate
03:51:08humblegod538Thank you saratoga
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03:52:03humblegod538This is my second time trying Rockbox, 3.0 looks great!
03:52:17humblegod538especially like the upside-down display. Makes biking & jamming much easier now
03:53:43humblegod538saratoga, are you able to grant wiki editing permissions? I just created a .fmr preset file for my city, and I'd like to upload it when possible
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03:57:11humblegod538nm, guess I misunderstood. Thanks!
03:57:12saratogahumblegod538: I've already added you, assuming you're BradEmmons
03:57:27humblegod538Yes, I just got it to work (password error). Thank you again!
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04:04:00MarcusSo... I suppose if Rockbox says that my Ipod is unsupported, there's no workaround, right?
04:04:12MarcusI'm using a nano (dunno which generation)
04:04:15LloreanRight
04:04:40LloreanIf your player is unsupported that means Rockbox cannot be run on it, period, without a significant amount of programming work.
04:04:47MarcusDarn.
04:04:55MarcusHow many generations of nano were there?
04:05:00star_jasmine4
04:05:10Marcuscrap.
04:05:39MarcusWould i be blasphemy if I asked where to find something like Rockbox that is supported on my Ipod?
04:05:46Marcusit*
04:06:13LloreanIf there were something else like Rockbox for your iPod, there'd *probably* also be Rockbox for it.
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04:06:44humblegod538Off to enjoy my X5 w/ newly-reloaded Rockbox. Thanks for your work, guys!
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04:07:32Marcusoh well...
04:07:41MarcusIt's cool anyway, even if I can't run it.
04:07:51MarcusI have major <3 for custom firmware.
04:07:55Marcusjust ask my PSP.
04:08:06Marcusanyway, thanks for the help.
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04:08:09star_jasminei saves the sansa e200
04:08:23star_jasmineit
04:09:42Hillshumnot really
04:09:48Hillshumthe ipod yeah
04:09:54samdouglasI hacked the cutoff voltages for the Olympus m100 and have been testing it. The battery is still running a few albums later. The battery voltage graph shows fluctuation sitting around about 3.5V point (which by default Rockbox considers critically low).
04:11:10star_jasminemy voice creation under cygwin isn't choosing system default voices consistently. maybe I needd to reforma the computer
04:11:12samdouglasAlthough it is possible that the difference in ADC values is just due to the battery being old. A new battery some time should help confirm that
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04:34:31eagledrchi i need a hidden partition dump file for the sandisk sansa e280R
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04:37:38shrimantshello
04:38:17shrimantsi'm having problems with mp3 tags in rockbox. I just freshly tagged everything, and rockbox puts, for instance, the same copy of 2 albums udner the artist and also under (untagged)
04:38:42shrimantsfurthermore, it reads pink fl, pink flo, pink floyd for my pink floyd album
04:38:59shrimantsand then it also put double copies of every song for Muse into the directory
04:42:55LloreanThis kind of thing may happen if your tags contain more data than Rockbox can accomodate.
04:43:07LloreanThis can happen if you have album art as a tag, or very large comment tags.
04:43:45shrimantsI am quite sure I have <null> as my comments and that I have no album art
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04:44:37shrimantsAlso, does this mean that album art is not a good idea to try to use in rockbox?
04:44:50LloreanRockbox doesn't support Album Art in the tags.
04:44:53LloreanYou use a separate file
04:45:00LloreanAnd, what did you use to tag your files?
04:45:33eagledrcwhat OS are you using?
04:45:39eagledrcshrimants?
04:45:43shrimantsyes
04:45:52shrimantsi am using linux, Arch linux to be exact
04:45:59shrimantsand the program is called EasyTag
04:46:32shrimantsas we speak I;m clearing out the unnecessary fields
04:46:43shrimantsincluding getting rid of album art "tags"
04:46:47LloreanWhat revision of Rockbox are you using?
04:47:01shrimantsi used the rockbox utility to install it, so presumably version 3.0
04:47:55LloreanWell, that depends on which choice you made in the program, I believe.
04:48:14LloreanAre the tags ID3v1 or v2 and if so, which revision of 2?
04:48:40shrimantsversion 3v1
04:48:53shrimantsif i knew of a way to clear the version 2 tags i would
04:49:05shrimantsor no
04:49:13shrimantssorry they are ID3v2.4
04:49:23shrimantsin UTF-8
04:49:37shrimantsi also have ID3v1 tags in western encoding
04:49:42LloreanI'd recommend stripping all tags but the ones you intend to use.
04:49:49LloreanThen deleting the database and re-initializing it.
04:52:02shrimantsok, i believe I am doing it correctly
04:52:10shrimantsi disabled writing id3v1
04:52:18shrimantsthen did a forced save of all tags
04:52:30shrimantswhich SHOULD delete everything except the v2.4 tags
04:52:33eagledrclol i was just going to suggest EasyTags... LInux ftw btw
04:52:38shrimantsyes!
04:52:49shrimantsi actually tried switching back to windows but it was so terrible i came back
04:53:00shrimantsand even though installing windows took me almost 12.5 hours
04:53:10shrimantsto get everything including programs configured and running
04:53:16shrimantsit toko me about 1 with linux to restore it
04:56:49eagledrchaha yea
04:57:19eagledrci installed XP and had to spend hours installing drivers to get internet, sound, and a proper resolution
04:57:25eagledrcbut i still dual-boot
04:58:08shrimantslooks like its done doing what it does
04:58:43eagledrclol
04:58:59shrimantsthe one thing i wish rockbox did is have a sleep mode instead of only having on/off settings
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05:01:22shrimantswhat are your crossfade settings?
05:04:17shrimantsnvm, i found some good ones
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05:16:30shrimantswhat does accessory powersupply do? i dont see it in the manual
05:16:44shrimantsis that the same thing as car adapter mode basically?
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05:17:05shrimantsor is it like "dont try to establish a data connection automatically"
05:17:20shrimantsso that it doesnt do the infinite boot sequence when adapter is plugged in
05:17:56LloreanI probably missed your question
05:18:07LloreanBut I'm guessing Car Adapter mode?
05:18:11LloreanThe manual describes it.
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05:24:15shrimantsbtw my version is r18620-080924
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05:54:37here2codehi
05:55:01here2codei am new to rockbox development and irc, both
05:58:07toffe82hello here2code
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06:22:00MarcGuayNico_P (logs): MajorChanges is a bit weird now with things like "DONE 2008-07-14: Initial support for the Onda VX747" listed as "in 3.0". We need a better way to sort it I think, otherwise it's a bit misleading.
06:26:28MarcGuayI see now bluebrother's suggestion to mark them... And I agree that it's a lot of work for little gain...
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08:18:29B4gder24000 visits on www.rockbox.org yday was counted
08:18:42B4gderwe average on 10000 normal days
08:18:50JdGordoncrikey!
08:19:21LloreanImpressive.
08:21:26B4gdermore than 5000 referers from lifehacker.com
08:21:45GodEaternice
08:22:13GodEaterI wonder what percentage of those visitors were disappointed not to find a sudden working ipod classic port or somesuch ?
08:23:50JdGordon90% :D
08:23:53GodEaterhehehe
08:24:22BHSPitMonkeyNice, just saw the lifehacker article myself
08:26:05GodEaterah yes, third comment down on lifehacker
08:26:11GodEater"where's the ipod classic support?"
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08:27:18B4gderI can also see on the server that we're past the peak
08:27:32B4gderwe had our maximum number of apache processes running last night
08:27:59B4gderfrom 150 it is now down to ~90
08:28:08GodEaterwhoah, did we really ship 3.0 without a RBUtil to go with it ?
08:28:17B4gderyes
08:28:32B4gderbut I hope we'll have a 3.0 one soon
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08:28:54GodEateroooh, that strikes me as a somewhat schoolboy error
08:29:10JdGordonmy mac is ready to do a build but I dont know what local changes domonoky has done to the source and it doesnt build...
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08:30:30B4gderwell, it was probably a result of me being strict about keeping the dead-line
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08:31:22GodEaterlets try not to do that again :)
08:31:28JdGordonGodEater: first release in 3 years... I think we are allowed to make some mistakes
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08:32:04LloreanHopefully the "Release" button in RBUtil can be done in such a way in the future that we won't need a new version for each release anyway.
08:32:09LloreanIt's a "fix-once" kinda problem.
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08:33:18GodEaterJdGordon: absolutely, so long as we learn from them
08:33:36JdGordoncan anyone think of a reason to not close 9419 as not needed?
08:33:41GodEaterdid we actually get "slashdotted" as some people seem to think ?
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08:34:31amiconnLinusN: there?
08:34:38LinusNyup
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08:35:12amiconnLinusN: I have a couple o'questions. First, is there a reason why the iriver bootloaders use a hack for usb instead of the usb thread?
08:35:36LinusNyes
08:36:28LinusNlet's see if i remember why...
08:36:30amiconnThe initial commit for this was what broke bootbox in Dec 2005, and then I tried a similar method for fixing bootbox, and found it to be unreliable due to race conditions
08:36:48amiconnFinally I brought back the usb thread for bootbox, and it works
08:37:33amiconnThe problem with the hack is that it doesn't block the ata thread, but instead tries to keep it from switching off the disk by using ata_spin()
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08:38:38amiconnBut if this ata_spin comes in the wrong moment (after the ata thread decided to power off the disk but before actually doing it), it might still power off the disk
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09:04:49LinusNamiconn: i see
09:05:14scoleshey there wont be any issues if i try to put rockbox on an ipod color 4g with a 4gb microdrive in it will there?
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09:06:42LinusNamiconn: i *think* the reason for the usb hack was external dependencies, and that the usb thread calls dbg_ports() etc when it fails
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09:07:25LinusNi wanted to act differently in the bootloader and i felt that a hack was better than #ifdef hell
09:07:56LinusNand i didn't want background polling
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09:08:41LinusN(i.e the tick task)
09:09:02amiconnHmm, any special reason for this?
09:09:11LinusNi wanted the bootloader to have absolute control over the usb mode
09:09:18amiconnThe tick interrupt is running anyway, otherwise sleep() wouldn't work
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09:09:51amiconnAnd you introduced an ifdef for this (in usb.c)
09:10:07LinusNi'm sure i did
09:10:24amiconn...which wouldn't have been necessary when using the usb thread as-is
09:11:41amiconnAnd since there are various issues with bootloader usb on irivers, perhaps it would be a good idea to resurrect the usb thread and try it like bootbox does it?
09:11:45LinusNas i said, i think the main reason was the dead-end error handling in usb_slave_mode()
09:12:11LinusNare there issues on h100 too?
09:12:59amiconnNo, but since the issues seem to be timing related, this could just be a coincidence
09:13:01linuxstbscoles: If your ipod (with microdrive) is working fine with Apple's firmware, then you can always uninstall Rockbox (instructions are in the manual) if things don't work. Or help fix Rockbox so it does...
09:13:32amiconnThe dead end could be ifdefed out for iriver bootloaders specifically
09:13:35LinusNamiconn: i think the h300 issues are not timing related, but instead power related
09:13:49LinusNamiconn: you can have a go at it if you want
09:13:53scolesok i wasnt sure cause its in there with a cf card adapter so i think the new bootloader should be good because of support for cf card we'll see
09:14:19amiconnLinusN: I could try to hack it in, but I don't have a bdm
09:14:36LinusNi see
09:14:53LinusNif you produce a patch you believe in, i can try to find some time to test it
09:15:17LinusNi have a nightmareish workload atm :-(
09:15:39amiconnhmm
09:16:17amiconnToo bad, but in a few days I'd also need a tester for brand-new archos rom flash images on fmrecorder, and wanted to ask you...
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09:27:13LinusNmy fmrecorder is unfortunately not brick-safe
09:27:19LinusNthe serial port is broken
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09:32:21Dosu_TivienOh dear god.
09:32:23Dosu_TivienThat was insane.
09:32:33Dosu_TivienMaybe someone that can help me joined...XD
09:33:16BigBambiHurray! More than 7 people in the channel again :)
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09:33:54lol3izerfyre^OS, sup fyrestorm lol
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09:34:59lol3izerwhat device do you use rockbox with?
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09:35:08fyrestormipod 5th gen 30gb
09:35:14lol3izerlol exact same
09:35:15peturp
09:35:24lol3izerwhat kind of battery life do you get
09:35:24lol3izer?
09:36:01Dosu_TivienSo, uhm
09:36:09Dosu_TivienI have a problem, and I'm hoping someone can help me with it.
09:36:09fyrestormthis chat is for dev
09:36:23lol3izerok lets go to the other chat
09:36:24fyrestormbring it to -community
09:36:26BigBambiAnd support
09:36:32JdGordonno please dont!
09:36:35BigBambiNo, Rockbox support belongs here
09:36:37JdGordonsupport here...
09:36:44JdGordonassuming of course you actually ask a question
09:37:01*Dosu_Tivien waits to ask his question >.>;
09:37:12BigBambiJust ask the question
09:37:13*B4gder waits for the waiting to stop
09:37:15Dosu_Tivienok
09:37:16Dosu_TivienWell.
09:37:24JdGordonspit it out already!
09:37:24Dosu_TivienI installed rockbox on my iPod mini, second gen
09:37:34BigBambiAnd please don't put everything on seperate lines
09:37:35Dosu_TivienIt works fine, except for one thing.
09:38:02Dosu_Tivienwhen I turn it off and use it later, nine times out of ten, it produces this really high pitched, really loud, whining tone, and refuses to play music.
09:38:15Dosu_TivienAnd it won't play music until I reboot it four or five times.
09:39:38Dosu_TivienI have no idea why it would do this, like, at all
09:39:42Dosu_TivienAny help would be appreciated.
09:40:05Dosu_TivienAnd please don't tell me to update rockbox, cause I only installed it like, less than a week ago.
09:40:09Dosu_Tivien><
09:40:15lol3izeryea im getting that too sometimes Dosu_Tivien
09:40:22BigBambiDosu_Tivien: That can be a long time
09:40:29Dosu_TivienWell, I mean
09:40:34Dosu_Tiviensometimes would be fine for me
09:40:40Dosu_Tivienit's just like, near ALWAYS for me.
09:40:42lol3izerrockbox is rebuilt daily
09:40:48lol3izertry the newest build
09:40:51lol3izerits easy
09:40:53BigBambiI'm not saying that is the problem, but there is a reason we ask you to update and try immediately before asking for supporrt
09:41:17BigBambiCan everyone *please* stop using the enter key as punctuation. Put thoughts on one line
09:41:44BigBambilol3izer: And Rockbox is rebuilt on every source code change which is normally many times per day
09:42:22lol3izeri hope accessory support gets merged soon
09:43:04Dosu_TivienOk, so, is updating any notion of easy? Or will I have to wipe and reinstall my ipod again?
09:43:10BigBambiNo, it is easy
09:43:22BigBambiJust run rbutil and select install Rockbox
09:44:10scorchenot the full installation, mind you...the manual goes into more detail
09:44:28Dosu_Tivien\it asys it's already installed and up to date.
09:44:39Dosu_Tiviensays*
09:44:41Dosu_TivienJeez, I can't type...
09:44:59BigBambiAre you sure you didn't try to install the bootloader?
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09:45:25Dosu_Tivienhold on
09:45:31BigBambiIt is Rockbox you want (the build), not the bootloader - and I can assure you that Rockbox has had many updates since last week
09:45:37Dosu_Tivienok
09:45:40Dosu_Tivienreinstalling rockbox
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09:47:17Dosu_Tivienok
09:47:22Dosu_Tivienrockbox has been totally reinstalled.
09:47:36scorchewhat is the version number?
09:47:55Dosu_Tivienrockbox (base) r18639
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09:50:27JdGordonwere the release build version strings changed to something like 3.0?
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10:00:31Dosu_Tivienhuh?
10:00:34Dosu_TivienOh, uh, hang on.
10:00:42Dosu_Tivienthe iPod's still plugged into my computer.
10:00:59Dosu_Tivienwhere do I check that?
10:01:16BigBambier, look if the cable is connected?
10:01:27Dosu_Tivienno no
10:01:32Dosu_Tivienthe version thing he was talking about
10:01:33Dosu_TivienXD
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10:02:55scorchewith the ipod still plugged in or not?...and once again, please keep complete thoughts on one line...it makes it much easier to read and is less spammy
10:03:13Dosu_TivienWell, the iPod is off the cable now, but I can plug it back in...
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10:04:03scorcheit is in the system menu, but the manual should go into all this
10:04:31Dosu_Tivienr18639M-080925
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10:05:13BigBambicool, the update was good. No see if you still have the problem
10:05:18Dosu_Tivienok
10:05:22Dosu_Tivienone second.
10:06:08Dosu_Tivien...Yep.
10:06:17Dosu_TivienIt came up and is now squealing in my ear...loudly.
10:06:36lol3izerhttp://www.google.com/search?q=399999999999999-399999999999998
10:06:37lol3izerlol
10:06:41lol3izersorry
10:06:52BigBambilol3izer: ON TOPIC
10:06:54scorchelol3izer: dont do that..
10:07:10lol3izeryea i ment to paste it in the other channel
10:07:51scorcheDosu_Tivien: and you got this build from rbutil?
10:08:09Dosu_Tivienscorche: Yes sir. And less than 15 minutes ago as well.
10:09:01scorcheDosu_Tivien: do you get the same effects with teh original firmware?
10:09:16Dosu_TivienNo, never once.
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10:10:18scorchecould you try now?
10:10:33Dosu_Tivienwhat, the original firmware?
10:10:40scorcheyes
10:10:56Dosu_TivienWell, I -could-...but it wouldn't have any music to play, since i restructured the directories.
10:11:26scorcheis it only when you play music in rockbox?
10:11:34Dosu_TivienNo
10:11:38Dosu_TivienIt happens when rockbox boots.
10:11:48Dosu_TivienBut it only happens about 85% of the time
10:12:00scorchethen just boot into the original firmware and see
10:12:10Dosu_TivienOk
10:12:16*Dosu_Tivien goes to manual dig for the button to do that.
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10:16:17Dosu_TivienWell, it's not playing any music, because it doesn't have any...but it's not making that stupid noise.
10:17:01Dosu_TivienHowever...now I have another problem
10:17:16Dosu_Tiviennow it's not playing music, or making noise at all, it's loading the music file and becoming stuck on 0:00
10:17:24Dosu_TivienEven though it says it's playing, it's doing nothing.
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10:34:07gevaertsDosu_Tivien: do you have keyclicks enabled in rockbox?
10:34:20Dosu_TivienYes, why?
10:35:31gevaertsTry turning it off, and see if that helps. There are some issues with it causing high-pitched noises when pressing strange key combinations at least
10:38:27Dosu_Tivienok
10:38:28Dosu_Tivieni'll try that
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10:53:11*JdGordon throws something heavy at the recent bookmark list
10:53:21JdGordonthis would be so much easier if that wasnt there :'(
10:53:41BigBambiOi. Don't you break my beloved recent bookmarks list!
10:55:02JdGordoni've almost got it.... but its not as nice as I'd like
10:55:15JdGordonnot to mentino i _still_ dont get it 100% :p
10:55:23BigBambiIn code terms or in use terms?
10:56:28JdGordonuse
10:57:53BigBambiFor me, it keeps a nice list of the last bookmark I made in say 10 playlists (only one entry for playlists). Then to resume something I don't need to go trawling through directories to find the actual bookmark file. It also acts as a handy reminder - oh yeah, I hadn't finished that had I etc.
10:58:19BigBambi* one entry per plqylist
10:58:52JdGordonand the "unique" options... is that for the playlist? or the track being played?
10:59:34JdGordonThis would be easy if I only needed to keep track of the actual bookmark filenames
10:59:43JdGordonbut that wont be so nice to use
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11:00:21BigBambiplaylist I believe
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11:02:48JdGordonok, bugger this... im simplifying it.... it will display the bookmark filename and the track that was bookmarked. selecting it will open it up and you can choose which point to start from there?
11:03:07BigBambiThat isn't as nice
11:03:58BigBambiBut as I'm not doing the coding I have no real say :)
11:05:23JdGordonyeah I know (to it not being as nice)... at least thats a start.. it can be fixed up later
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11:05:39*JdGordon just wants to get *something* working to keep his interest
11:05:45BigBambihehe :)
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11:31:41amiconnLinusN: Oh?!
11:32:34LinusNit never worked
11:32:45LinusNthus, i have never flashed it
11:35:03amiconnWell, you could have flashed it with a tested image
11:35:21amiconnYou only need the serial to recover from a non-working image
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11:39:27BigBambiNico_P: You there?
11:39:32Nico_Pyes
11:40:18BigBambiDo you fancy replying to the last comment on linuxfr that claims that album art is still not in trunk? I can't be bothered to create an account :)
11:40:39Nico_Pok
11:40:45BigBambiThanks :)
11:41:00lol3izeron the latest builds picture flow crashes for me on a 5.5 20gig ipod
11:41:05lol3izerdoes anyone else have this issue?
11:41:11BigBambiI couldn't let a slur like that past. Incidently, I thought your reply was good - the right tone :)
11:41:54Nico_Pthanks :)
11:41:59lol3izer"could not allocate temporary buffer"
11:42:05lol3izerthen "plugin returned error"
11:42:46linuxstblol3izer: That's not a crash, that's just a failure to run.... No idea why it would do that though.
11:43:02lol3izerwell its happening :(
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11:44:31havienincrease the ram
11:44:40haviennm wrong server/room
11:45:52lasserlol3izer, same error here on e280 rockbox 18561 :-(
11:46:03lol3izerwe should file a bug report
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11:46:35Nico_PBigBambi: done. I hope it doesn't sound too harsh...
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11:47:11BigBambiNico_P: No, I don't think so
11:52:52lasserlol3izer, r18341 has a running PictureFlow. Since then there were two changes: 18454 and 18537. Perhaps it's an introduced bug... Could you do that, please?
11:53:26lol3izeryou mean try that?
11:54:05lasserlol3izer, no, the bug report
11:54:12lol3izeri dont have a login :(
11:54:25lol3izerand i cant get at my email right now
11:54:27lol3izeror i would
11:59:43lasserlol3izer, reset your settings and then try again. Here this does the job...
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12:01:00lasserbut first save your settings so you can easily load them back later.
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12:11:40hullaphi, congrats on 3.0 release
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12:20:04Nico_Phullap: thanks :)
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12:41:31JdGordon:'( bloody hell
12:41:38JdGordonyou change one little thing and the whole thing dies!
12:43:03linuxstbWelcome to Rockbox.
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12:47:14havienso would you not recommend updating rockbox yet for an e270?
12:47:33linuxstbhavien: From what to what?
12:47:41GodEaterhavien: I don't think JdGordon has commited what he just broke
12:47:43GodEaterso don't worry
12:47:50GodEaterat least, I hope not!
12:47:52havienk
12:48:01*GodEater gives JdGordon the frowning of a lifetime
12:48:03havieni don't remember what version i have installed
12:48:07JdGordonbah
12:48:12GodEaterhavien: it's easy to check
12:48:23JdGordonGodEater: your gonna send me postal one day...
12:48:37GodEaterme personally? I feel honoured...
12:48:40havieni don't have it infront of me atm either :/
12:48:58GodEaterhavien: that makes it challenging then ;)
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12:57:01Nico_Phavien: you're perfectly safe installing 3.0
12:58:14havienk
12:58:38JdGordonNico_P: id3->offset and id3->elapsed are the correct places to the get tracks current position right?
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13:00:52JdGordonfor some reason they arnt getting updated?
13:01:11Nico_Pwhere are you getting them from?
13:01:20JdGordonaudio_current_track();
13:01:32JdGordonit was working untill 30min ago or someting :'(
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13:05:54JdGordonhmm... maybe i was dreaming... the old patch isnt working either
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13:07:54JdGordonamiconn: you do cross compiled sims yeah? how do you tell it to not use the cygwin sdl?
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13:21:21amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux
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13:23:07JdGordonyeah found that... is there an easy-ish way to choose which compiler/sdl to use without fidling with configure?
13:23:45amiconnThe wiki page says it...
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14:55:21*B4gder added voice files to the download page
14:55:27B4gderthe 3.0 one
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16:42:14edhelashye
16:44:29markunhi edhelas
16:45:48edhelasi have rockbox on an ipod mini 2G
16:46:23edhelasand the last daily built
16:46:41edhelasbut i want to put the jacket of the albums on my interface
16:46:50edhelaswhen i play the album
16:46:58edhelashow can i do this ?
16:47:55moosread this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt
16:48:11edhelasthanks ;)
16:48:28moosYou're welcome
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17:01:14edhelasthanks you :D
17:01:17edhelasit works !
17:04:36moosthat's the rockbox power ;)
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17:55:06zichohm, when i try to create the folder ".rockbox" on my player, i get "in/out"-error
17:55:24zichoi have installed the bootloader, but i cant install rockbox
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17:56:32domonokyzicho: you dont need to create this folder, just unzip the rockbox.zip... (or do you get this error also when you do this ?)
17:57:04zichoyes, i tried that at first, but it didnt work. So i tried to create the folder, same thing
17:57:25zichoi can create regular folders, and read/write. but i cant create ".rockbox"
17:57:51linuxstbzicho: How are you trying to create it?
17:58:06zicho"sudo mkdir .rockbox"
17:58:06domonokyhm, i/o error probably means a bad connection (usb cable/port) or perhaps the disk is damaged (try checkdisk/fsck.vfat) ?
17:58:27linuxstbDid the unzip give the same i/o error?
17:58:31LambdaCalculus37zicho: If you're using Windows, you can't create folders with a . at the beginning; Windows doesn't allow it.
17:59:01zichoi use ubuntu
17:59:21LambdaCalculus37zicho: Did you try Rockbox Utility?
17:59:34LambdaCalculus37And what player (you forgot to mention that).
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18:00:11zichoRockbox utility wont work either, and i use Gigabeat F
18:00:54domonokyif he gets i/o errors, rbutil wont help. please check your disk for errors...
18:01:17zichoand how can i do that?
18:01:20domonokyor try with another usb cable or/and usb port...
18:01:45domonokyon linux use fsck.vfat to check the disk, i think...
18:02:32amiconnLambdaCalculus37: Windows *does* allow creating .dotfolders and .dotfiles, just explorer doesn't
18:05:31LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Through the command prompt, right?
18:06:07*LambdaCalculus37 should've figured, but since he rarely uses Windows anymore, he forgot some of the intricacies
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18:13:14lws009hi all
18:13:31lws009Hello
18:13:41ender`explorer is dumb
18:15:10ender`(and windows file APIs are dumb - you can have paths up to 32k in length, but you have to use the APIs in special way to manipulate paths longer than 260 characters - and of course, no file manager does that)
18:15:57LambdaCalculus37ender`: And that's off-topic here.
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18:18:17lws009Hi
18:20:23LambdaCalculus37lws009: Do you have something to say?
18:20:31markunlws009: also hi :)
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18:25:57lws009I was wondering how come that the iPod 6G is still not covered by rockbox?
18:26:43LambdaCalculus37Because of A) firmware encryption, B) undocumented hardware, and C) lack of interest.
18:27:39lws009ow, so, there isn't another program orso to change te firmware?
18:28:08LambdaCalculus37Nope.
18:28:42lws009ow, thats not so fun for me xd
18:29:04lws009i was planning to change it, so it was a bit difrent (i was bored of the way it looked
18:29:57lws009are you 1 of the programmers from rockbox?
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18:41:35zichois there anyway to make rockbox look for files in a folder other than ".rockbox"?
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18:43:16domonokyzicho: which files do you mean ? music ?
18:43:36zichono, the rockbox-files, like wps n shit
18:43:47*domonoky doesnt know shit :-)
18:44:10zichobecause for some reason i cant create a folder called .rockbox without getting i/o-errors
18:44:11domonokyzicho: if you compile rockbox yourself its possible, otherwise not...
18:44:43domonokyzicho: did check your disk ? tried different usb ports/ cables ?
18:45:01domonokyanother folder wont help if you get io errors...
18:45:36zichoyeah, i tried it
18:45:42zichodoesnt seem to be anything wrong with it
18:46:00zichoit have never been, this problem started the same time as rockbox got deleted
18:46:13zichobut at least it has the bootloader
18:46:46domonokyrockbox got deleted ? how ?
18:47:21zichoi accidentally deleted it because of a _really_ clumsy mistake
18:47:53domonoky:-)
18:49:44domonokyso fsck.vfat doesnt find any error on the dap ?
18:50:00zichonope
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18:52:27attoare there any plans to include Creative mp3 players on the supported mp3 player list?
18:52:51krazykitports are written by interested owners, atto
18:53:05krazykitthat means there are no timelines, even if a port is in progress.
18:53:24domonokyatto: rockbox doesnt make any plans. if someone with a creative player, the apropriate knowledge and enough time ports it, we would be happy :-)
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18:55:10attoa have a creative player but unfortunately I don't have the skills needed... thank you for your help
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18:57:15zichoman, this shit is confusing. I dont have any clue on how to fix it either
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20:09:03klM_does it work for Archos gmini 400 ?
20:12:37Bagderno
20:13:18Bagderanother flood of visitors => http://gizmodo.com/5054721/rockbox-replacement-mp3-player-firmware-gets-updated
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20:20:51_MMA_On a iRiver h3xx using the Cabbie theme what size .bmp does it look for to use as the cover. I thought it was 100x100 but because it crops it, it might be more like 75x75. Correct?
20:21:16domonokyand they always mention rbutil, but rbutil wont install 3.0 at moment.. :-)
20:23:44Llorean_MMA_: I believe the best way to find out is to look in the .wps file and see what it says.
20:24:28_MMA_Llorean: Ok. I thought it was stored in a file but couldn't remember for the life of me. Thanx.
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20:30:42Bagderhttp://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/25/rockbox-open-source-mp3-player-firmware-hits-30/
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20:40:12pixelmaLlorean: since a few days you should be able to look up the album art size in the.... "Rockbox Info" screen (though never tried myself so far)
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20:43:39Nico_PBagder: do you have download statistics so far?
20:44:25Nico_Pbtw, I wonder whether we could make the frontpage on /.
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20:54:15Wictorhello
20:54:30WictorWhere can I see pictures or virtual rockbox 3.0?
20:55:21BigBambiin the manual
20:55:42BigBambihttp://www.rockbox.org/download/
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20:57:59Wictoroh, btw - the 60gig ipod manual is not working
20:58:27LambdaCalculus37What do you mean, the 60GB iPod manual?
20:58:41LambdaCalculus37Which iPod is that? The iPod photo/color or the iPod video?
20:59:16*LambdaCalculus37 goes to look
20:59:35LambdaCalculus37Wictor: Use the manual for the 30GB video for now; it's the same.
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21:00:19BigBambiWictor: indeed it isn't - it might just be mirror issues
21:01:08BigBambiIt isn't mirror issues - it isn't on haxx.rockbox.org either
21:01:30BigBambiBagder: you about? There appear to be some manuals missing - e.g. 60/80 GB ipod
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21:02:48pixelmathe dialy built ones?
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21:03:01BigBambino, the release ones
21:03:11BigBambiThere are quite a few that aren't there
21:03:25Wictorwhat is the best player to put rockbox on? :p
21:03:27BigBambiDon't work from the page, and aren't at http://haxx.rockbox.org/release/3.0/
21:03:33BigBambiWictor: Not an ipod
21:03:41BigBambiOther than that, depends what features you want
21:03:53BigBambiWictor: See www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
21:03:56Wictorwhat can I get with the best player I cant get with the rest?
21:03:58Wictoroh alright
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21:04:24BigBambiWictor: It is excellent with ipods, but if you were going to buy one I'd recommend others first.
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21:05:47Wictorthat chart is so confusing :p
21:06:04BigBambiWictor: All features of Rockbox are available on all players if hardware allows - the ipods aren't the best hardware, and as we have no docs on them all work has been done by reverse engineering.
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21:07:08Wictorwhat did you guys install rockbox on?
21:09:34BigBambiI have it on a gigabeat S120, gigabeat H60, iriver H140, Sansa e260 and Sansa c240
21:09:44BigBambiF60 not H60
21:10:38WictorYoure developer or just a fanatic? :D
21:10:53funmanor rich ? ;)
21:11:32Horschtor the d-word?
21:12:13Wictor..divorced?
21:12:29funmandrug addict?
21:12:35BigBambiOn topic please chaps
21:12:35Wictordrunk?
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21:19:23WictorYou killed it, BigBambi : P
21:20:48edhelas:'(
21:20:56edhelashis mom was dead
21:21:06LambdaCalculus37On topic.
21:21:26edhelassorry
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21:23:11edhelasbravo for your work on rockbox for ipod mini
21:23:22edhelasit work perfect :p
21:23:56BigBambiOn behalf of those that did the work, thanks :)
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21:24:11edhelasi just have one problem ^^ : double entries in the database
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21:24:46edhelaswhen i naviguate in the database i have sometimes
21:24:52edhelas2 times the same track
21:24:58BigBambia) Try running the disktidy plugin, b) It is usually a good idea to have dircache and database load to RAM turned on
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21:25:55BigBambiThen reinitialise the database. If you still have duplicates, add the two duplicates to a playlist then use the playlist viewer to see if they are actually the same physical track on the hard drive
21:26:18edhelasyes it was the same physical trak
21:26:20edhelastrack
21:26:26BigBambiYou checked?
21:26:53edhelasyes
21:27:15BigBambiBy looking at the path to the each of them in the playlist viewer?
21:27:35edhelasyes it was the same track :)
21:28:07BigBambiBecause if e.g. you had previously deleted one windows would put it in a hidden recycle bin directory which Rockbox would still find
21:28:30BigBambiIt being the same track to listen to doesn't immediately mean it is the same one on disk
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21:28:46edhelasno it wasreally the same path
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21:29:02BigBambiOK, well try the first two things I suggested then
21:29:56edhelasok, the double in the new database disapear ;) thanks
21:30:09BigBambiNo probs
21:30:39BigBambiSorry for giving such 'obvious' instructions, but we have no way of knowing how literate anyone is :)
21:31:41edhelas^^
21:31:43edhelasokok
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21:32:37edhelasi have another question :)
21:32:46BigBambiSure
21:33:03edhelasdid it exist a "game boy" emulator for rockbox on ipod mini 2g ?
21:33:23BigBambiI'm not sure if it has been adjusted for that yet
21:33:29edhelascause i want to play to "super mario" on my ipod ^^
21:33:57edhelasi see that it existe on "ipodlinux"
21:34:12edhelasbut i don't find him on rockbox :(
21:34:31BigBambiNo, looks like you are out of luck I'm afraid
21:34:47BigBambiipodlinux and rockbox are completely different
21:34:53BigBambihttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
21:37:37edhelasok thanks ;)
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21:37:53edhelasthank you very much :D
21:38:16BigBambiyou are welcome :)
21:39:10edhelasgood night everybody :)
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21:49:01webguest53does rockbox 3.0 support the ITrip for the 30GB video Ipod?
21:51:57superany work on the new nanomatic?
21:52:37LambdaCalculus37None.
21:54:20BigBambiwebguest53: You can look up here:http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories
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21:54:59BigBambiwebguest53: If not, you can try an unsupported build from here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0
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22:25:17bluebrotherdomonoky: I'm going to release rbutil 1.0.7. Anything in your mind we shouldn't forget before that?
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22:33:43scorche|shbluebrother: so is it tuned to t.r.o now?
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22:34:54Bagderhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/rockbox-3-0-firmware-breathes-the-life-back-into-your-mp3-player/
22:34:59mcuelenaerehere2code: I'll try to be online tommorow night (GMT+2) at about the same hours as I said in the forum posts; if you have any other (no real-time response needing) questions, send me a PM through the forums
22:35:25Bagderthe server is running warm no doubt
22:36:21bluebrotherscorche|sh: yes.
22:37:14domonokybluebrother: go for it...
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22:37:47scorche|shBagder: and the first comment is about the zune...
22:37:49linuxstbBagder: Aww, no Zune support? What are you guys spending your time on?
22:38:22*bluebrother notices some glitches due to the slow server ...
22:39:34Bagderbluebrother: probably also outright refusal to get contents at times
22:40:46bluebrotheryep. rbutil needs better handling of this as it can cause segfaults.
22:40:59bluebrotherbut no showstopper for 1.0.7
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22:43:30BigBambiBagder: Did you see my message about the manuals?
22:43:56BagderI did now... lemme check
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22:44:50Bagderoh, if I can reach the site...
22:45:00BigBambihehe :)
22:45:04bluebrotherwow, rockbox.org is _really_ slow right now.
22:45:20Bagderit is on 150 clients nonstop basically
22:45:31BigBambiBagder: You can see directly here: http://haxx.rockbox.org/release/3.0/
22:45:36bluebrotherwow
22:46:12BagderBigBambi: yeah, but I wanted to check what the download page showed. Anyway, I can check behind the scenes instead
22:46:19BigBambiah, OK
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22:47:10cmzany technical gurus out there?
22:47:28BigBambicmz: There are generally plenty - it is best just to ask
22:47:29Bagdercmz: just ask and you'll find out
22:47:33scorche|shcmz: it is typically better to ask your actual question right out
22:47:48BigBambiOr else you get loads of people telling you to ask :)
22:47:58bluebrotheryou guys are really sure there are technical gurus in this channel?
22:48:12Bagderhow could it with no Zune port?
22:48:13scorche|shno...dont bother asking! ;)
22:48:31bluebrotherI want it for the Ipod Classic!
22:48:34cmzright. Right now i'm using the utility for mac and still it says could not open ipod
22:48:36bluebrother*g*
22:48:39cmzany ideas?
22:48:44BigBambicmz: Which ipod?
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22:48:54cmznano 1st gen
22:48:56cmz2gb
22:49:03bluebrotherdoes autodetection figure the correct Ipod?
22:49:26cmzautodetection doesn't figure out anything :(
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22:49:48mindbender2rockbox.org down?
22:49:55mindbender2too much traffic because of 3.0 ?
22:49:57BigBambino, just very slow
22:50:02BigBambimindbender2: yes, that
22:50:10mindbender2thought so.
22:50:13Bagderedgadgeted and gizmoded
22:50:20cmzI'm using 10.5.5 and my ipod is formatted as FAT32
22:50:30BigBambi10.5.5?
22:50:32mindbender2congratulations...great a new release.
22:50:40BigBambimindbender2: thanks!
22:50:53cmzOS X
22:50:56BigBambiaha
22:52:10cmzjust can't figure out why it wouldn't connect to my ipod. maybe i spent to much time on the oktoberfest today ;)
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22:53:42mindbender2which device is the best for running rockbox on it currently? i only have old ones
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22:53:54mindbender2(sorry, i can`T access the wiki)
22:54:15scorche|shold doesnt necessarily mean bad
22:54:25scorche|shit depends on which purpose you are after
22:54:53mindbender2i want more than i can do with the archos player...
22:55:06mindbender2the display isn`t that great....
22:55:16mindbender2with old i mean the old ones ;)
22:55:48scorche|shpretty much any SWcodec target would be nice though...i typically recommend the Gigabeat F, but depending on yur purposes, others could be better
22:55:57scorche|shs/though/then
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22:56:09cmzhm still says: Download finished. And then: Could not open ipod
22:56:23linuxstbmindbender2: Do you want flash or hard disk, colour screen, video playback, recording, FM radio, long battery life, ....
22:56:24BagderBigBambi: manuals and voice for ipodvideo64mb should be fine now
22:56:35BigBambicool, thanks very much :)
22:56:43Bagderyou just can't get the page to see ;-)
22:56:51scorche|shcmz: i am not sure how it works on OSX, but does itunes have some sort of "enable disk mode" option?
22:57:08BigBambiBagder: Bagder ipodmini1g also seems to be missing
22:57:21mindbender2rockbox on the gigabeat f looks cool!
22:57:30mindbender2just found it on youtube
22:57:37Bagdertrue, do we usually have a separate for the mini1g?
22:57:49cmzscorche|sh: no. Itunes thinks the ipod is in "service mode"
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22:58:13linuxstbcmz: Are you sure it's a 1st gen Nano?
22:58:14BigBambiBagder: I'm not sure
22:58:37BigBambiI imagine not actually - but I didn't know there was for the video either
22:58:45cmzlinuxstb: yep. Steel back, black front. 2gig
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22:58:57BigBambis/video/60/80GB
22:59:13BagderBigBambi: no, the video problem was that I didn't cut off the '64mb' from the name for that manual
22:59:19Bagderso it shows the same one as for the regualr one
22:59:23BigBambiah right
22:59:27BigBambilink not manual issue
22:59:32Bagderexactly
22:59:35scorche|shcmz: can you choose the specific mount point?
22:59:57Bagdermini is the same it seems
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23:00:04BigBambih100/h120 OK?
23:00:12Bagderyes, I remembered that
23:00:12BigBambiand recorder 8 MB :)
23:00:16Bagderthat too
23:00:19BigBambihehe :)
23:00:22cmzscorche|sh: currently its mounted under /volumes/cmznano. I can choose that in the menue
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23:01:57cmzFirst i followed the guide for reformatting the ipod with fat32, which seemed to be fine.
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23:02:23linuxstbcmz: Does the Apple firmware still work?
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23:04:33Aevumthe webpage is down
23:04:40BigBambiSort of
23:04:45BigBambiIt is just under heavy load
23:05:09cmzlinuxstb: how can i figure that out?
23:05:19linuxstbcmz: Just start it normally.
23:05:51cmzlinuxstb: it says: use itunes to restore
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23:06:05Aevumi guess the classic is still off limits, right ?
23:06:18BigBambiyes
23:06:29linuxstbcmz: Then you did something wrong in the conversion to FAT32. You need a working FAT32 ipod to install Rockbox onto. I would suggest restoring, then trying the instructions again.
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23:11:50KEROLiUKASis the rockpage download page down due to overwhelming response?
23:12:11Bagderyes
23:12:16Bagderit's not quite down, just overloaded
23:12:21GarethHello.
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23:13:29j6Hey there :) is it possible to make the database only scan in a specific folder?
23:14:02j6because i have a shitload of NSF and SID files, and I dont want them cluttering everything up
23:14:19Bagderyou can opt-out directories at least
23:14:30LambdaCalculus37Yes. Add a database.ignore file to each folder you don't want the database to pick up.
23:14:32domonokyj6: you can control what the db scans with "database.ignore" and "database.unignore" files
23:14:55domonokythere is already one such file in the .rockbox dir :-)
23:15:12j6oh awesome, thank you very much :) didnt see them
23:15:47cmzlinuxstb: okay. i'll try that. thx
23:17:12Bagdera favourite engadget comment: "could they not have kept the award-laden UI and packaged the codec support as a plugin?"
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23:19:18*KEROLiUKAS waits impatiently to download 3.0
23:19:43*scorche|sh groans
23:19:44BagderKEROLiUKAS: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0
23:19:48j6sup?
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23:20:05KEROLiUKASoo sweet
23:20:07j6why are you waiting to download it?
23:20:08voltagexsite down?
23:20:22BagderKEROLiUKAS: the fancy clicky links aren't there, but the files are ;)
23:20:43KEROLiUKASThanks
23:20:47scorche|shvoltagex: just slow from all the traffic
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23:22:23Topic"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | 3.0! 3.0! 3.0! 3.0! | No, the site is not down. Just a bit slow from all the traffic...patience!" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
23:22:38Bagderok, I upped the limit to 200
23:22:42KEROLiUKASsansae200-3.0-english.zip is just the voice right?
23:22:45Bagderand wham, we are at 200
23:22:55KEROLiUKASare you the siteowner ?
23:23:13Bagderyes that's the voice and yes I'm one of the guys
23:23:18KEROLiUKAScool
23:23:33KEROLiUKASughh, time to upgrade
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23:25:07KEROLiUKASwow, all I have to do is copy new files...
23:25:12KEROLiUKASnow this is the type of upgrade I like
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23:29:06KEROLiUKAShow come the now playing is all different/weird/basic ?
23:29:28KEROLiUKASnot as it was with this theme
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23:29:49scorche|shKEROLiUKAS: sounds like the theme you are using was an old broken one..
23:30:05KEROLiUKASusing dockpod
23:30:07domonokyKEROLiUKAS: changes wps syntacs, your old theme is now invalid... choose a new one :-)
23:30:09KEROLiUKASyea ig uess
23:30:34KEROLiUKAScabbiev2 is that a new 1 ?
23:30:36domonokyor take a look at the wiki, perhaps there is a updated version there.
23:30:49Bagderthe wiki is hard to get to atm...
23:31:06domonokycabbiev2 is the new default theme, but you can choose or build your own as you like.
23:31:22KEROLiUKASit's pretty nice
23:31:31KEROLiUKASbut I might make a new 1 to show support
23:32:11voltagexBagder: use torrents for rockbox 4.0? ;)
23:32:25Bagderthe downloads are no problem
23:32:32Bagderwe have big fat servers for them
23:32:43Bagderthis is web site visitors
23:32:59voltagexoh
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23:33:13dionoeawe had exactly the same issue for VideoLAN ... hehe. websites killed us, not the downloads
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23:33:44dionoeaBagder: you use Apache?
23:33:47Bagderyes
23:33:48KEROLiUKASI can't find a setting for this, but it's def. different than b4...now when I press the home button (power btn) it goes to main menu, but also pauses/stops music
23:33:55KEROLiUKAShow can it do that without pausing?
23:34:08domonokytake a look at the manual ?
23:34:21KEROLiUKASlol, good idea
23:34:22KEROLiUKASsilly me
23:34:30dionoeaBagder: if possible, you might want to try lighttpd or nginx for the website ... at least for portions that don't use php
23:34:31saratogaBagder: did you ever try out the JTAG on your sansa?
23:34:35dionoeait really brings the load down
23:34:42Bagdersaratoga: no I didn't
23:34:51*pixelma thinks the old "1" is ok, no need to use a new "1" ...as in why don't you type that out as the guidelines ask you to?
23:34:53funmansaratoga: did you receive your fuze?
23:34:59saratogado you have the pinout for it? i'm wondering if its the same as the one on the V2 hardware
23:35:12saratogafunman: not yet, but its ebay so thats not surprising
23:35:17KEROLiUKASdoes 3.0 have full USB support ?
23:35:18Bagderdionoea: yeah, but this really has never been a problem
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23:35:39BigBambiKEROLiUKAS: Depends on the player
23:35:44BigBambiOn ipod and sansa, no
23:35:50KEROLiUKASahh
23:35:52KEROLiUKASI got sansa
23:36:15Bagdersaratoga: I think my photos of the jtag-attached board shows that pretty good... if you just can get to them...
23:36:39saratogaBagder: they're online but i don't know how to get the pin out
23:36:43saratogatheres just a ribbion cable
23:36:56KEROLiUKASso what are the biggest new features?
23:37:20saratogawell it supports your sansa
23:37:24scorche|shKEROLiUKAS: you might want to check out the WhyRockbox and MajorChanges wikipages
23:37:26saratogathats a pretty big new feature i'd guess
23:37:57KEROLiUKASkinda slow right now
23:38:06KEROLiUKASit already was supporting my sansa
23:38:12scorche|shKEROLiUKAS: not the release
23:38:15saratoganope, last release was archos only
23:38:20KEROLiUKASI guess I was using a build then
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23:38:39KEROLiUKASbut it was outdated
23:38:48Bagdersaratoga: right, there's no photo showing that ribbon cable going into the connector pins properly
23:39:03scorche|shyou can check out google cache as well...you are goint to want to check the MajorChanges page then from the date of your last build
23:39:28funmancan someone in possession of the AS3514 SoC datasheet tell me which registers are at addresses 0x70008xxx ?
23:39:33Bagdersaratoga: I'll dig up the board and write it down, but not tonight
23:40:43Bagderhttp://teraton.com:81/~torment/sansa/e200_jtag_header.gif
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23:41:08Bagderseems to be it
23:42:07saratogaBagder: thanks
23:42:28saratogadid anyone investigate communicating with JTAG on the V1s?
23:42:28bertrikfunman, the AS3514 is almost completely controlled over i2c, it has no address 0x70008xxx
23:42:41saratogai want to look into doing it on the V2s but no sense reinventing the wheel
23:42:52Bagdersaratoga: if you're interested, I could send you the v1 board
23:43:16saratogaBagder: I'll consider it
23:43:39saratogai should be getting a Fuze, and I intend to try its JTAG
23:43:45BagderI recall someone fiddling with jtag back then, but I don't think we managed to accomplish anything significant
23:43:47funmanbertrik: these are used in ata-sd-pp.c , it must be a SanDisk extension
23:44:15saratogafunman: that sounds like a PP register
23:44:40funmanhm the filename also suggests that
23:45:13KEROLiUKASergh, it doesn't seem to mention the move of the buttons...the power button now pauses and goes to main menu, while the submenu button goes to main menu without pausing (what the power button used to do)
23:45:17KEROLiUKASoh well i'll get used to it
23:45:47scorche|shit should mention that if you go far back enough
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23:46:09KEROLiUKASI was just checking the manual
23:46:29scorche|shthe manual should correctly describe the current behavior
23:46:47KEROLiUKASyea
23:47:02KEROLiUKASit's all good
23:47:08KEROLiUKAStime to read documentation on theme creation
23:47:47KEROLiUKASmy theme is gonna pwn :P
23:48:29funmanis PortalPlayer something *including* an AS3514 in it ?
23:48:38Bagderyes
23:48:39BigBambiKEROLiUKAS: Rockbox runs on many players, and we aim to be where possible consistent across players. We don't actually care what any of the original firmwares do.
23:48:58Bagderfunman: the PP5024 basically has a AS3514 built-in
23:49:13KEROLiUKASBigBambi it's not what the original firmware did, it's what the outdated version of rockbox did
23:49:15KEROLiUKASbut it's all good
23:49:19KEROLiUKASi'll get used to it
23:49:21funmanIs that called a SoSoC ?
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23:50:04Bagderputting separate things into a single circuit is common business
23:50:39BigBambiKEROLiUKAS: ah, sorry
23:50:55BigBambiYou did have an old version :)
23:51:13funmanmaybe we must watch out for registers undocumented in the as3525 datasheet in order to access the nand
23:51:25KEROLiUKASugh, since the site is so slow, anyone know where in the site is the theme creation documentation or smthg like that?
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23:53:06BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
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23:54:31KEROLiUKASThanks
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23:55:11*bluebrother finally managed to tag rbutil m1.0.7
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23:56:29DerPapstyay!
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23:58:36KEROLiUKASergh, I think i'll start of with cabbie v2 as the framework

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