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#rockbox log for 2008-09-29

00:00:01j6nullbyte
00:00:03DementioSevs, does your connector automatically boot the ipod?
00:00:04lol3izerlol
00:00:13SevsDementio: yes it does
00:00:19peturj6: please stay on topic here
00:00:39lol3izerwatch out for the topical nazis
00:00:41lol3izer;)
00:00:50SevsIt's some JVC connector that I didn't see in the list
00:00:51DementioSevs, just leave your ipod "locked" so that it will boot in apple mode when in the car
00:01:07*petur steps a bit closer to logbot and grins
00:01:08gevaertsSevs: try the build from http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0
00:01:13Lloreanlol3izer: We have channel guidelines. If you don't agree with them, you're welcome to not use the channel.
00:01:25lol3izerLlorean, it was only a mild jibe
00:02:02Lloreanpetur: I'd say go for it. Now's the time, after release, for things that could use wider testing anyway.
00:02:58gevaertsBagder: do you know the current status of the plugin voice/translation work?
00:03:31Bagdergevaerts: I haven't heard from him in a while, so I'm not up-to-date on it
00:03:31SevsSo I can try the regular Rockbox build and then add that patch and see if it can communicate?
00:04:10DementioSevs, i don't even use the patch, i just let my head unit boot my ipod. as long as it's locked, it boots into apple mode
00:04:10kugelgevaerts: you seem to have some time :)
00:04:22gevaertsSevs: The second link has a full rockbox build with the patch applied
00:04:58SevsI see, thanks
00:05:12pixelmapetur: I believe amiconn already told me something about that (when looking at the playback-doesn't-work-after-recording bug on the Ipods), I just don't remember details (hope to get his attention)
00:05:18Dementiowell, that is as long as your ipod is turned off when you plug it in
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00:05:36SevsRIght, and then just put on the "Hold" button
00:05:43Dementioyup
00:05:46lol3izeri hope the remote control patch hits mainline soon
00:06:02SevsI also didn't see anything specificaly about this in the PDF, but does adding Rockbox delete any files off of the iPod?
00:06:09lol3izerno
00:06:13Dementionope
00:06:17SevsGreat, thanks
00:06:21lol3izerthe only thing it changes
00:06:27lol3izeris the bootloader
00:06:30SevsI see
00:06:47Dementioand you can always put the stock bootloader back on
00:07:16SevsAre there instructions for that in the PDF or with the Rockbox Utility?
00:07:22lol3izeryes it is 99.999999999999999% impossible for rockbox to damage your ipod
00:07:32lol3izerunless of course some freak bug causes it to explode >_>
00:08:02Dementiolol
00:08:15SevsRight, I have confidence it'll be fine :), I'm just more worried about how it'll work the 99% I use it in the car
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00:08:33lol3izeronly one way to find out
00:08:40BigBambiSevs: Just dual boot if needs be
00:09:14SevsYeah, that looks like the answer
00:09:20SevsThanks for the help guys
00:09:43Dementio_worknp
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00:19:05*petur taps amiconn on the shoulder
00:21:35soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9428
00:21:53soapAnyone willing to take a quick look at my first patch ever?
00:22:47amiconnpetur: Kinda half-baked because it's WM8731-only. But if it works....
00:23:11peturMW8731 is what I can test ;)
00:23:13amiconnThe whole audio driver api needs a huuge cleanup
00:23:15soapit is real teeny, tiny.
00:23:17petur*WM
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00:24:51*amiconn doesn't things like this going in without the necesary generalisation / porting / cleanup following immediately afterwards
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00:25:59*petur might have a look at cleaning up the shit - has gotten used to doing that lately ;)
00:26:24BigBambiewwww
00:26:43*amiconn would do it too, but is busy with other stuff atm
00:26:51amiconnAnd splitting forces doesn't work well...
00:27:01peturstop messing with that compiler ;)
00:27:24amiconnI am doing this because I want to be able to work faster on rockbox...
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00:27:48*petur switched to linux just to do that....
00:28:00amiconnI can't do that
00:28:29amiconnOne example for the messyness of the audio driver api: Why is audiohw_set_nsorder() a separate function?
00:28:32kugelwhat's the difference between 7za and 7zr?
00:28:59kugelI use 7zr to archive something in a 7z archive, but "make 7zip" requires 7za
00:29:10amiconnIt must be used whenever the sample frequency changes, and it only actually does something on UDA1380
00:29:25amiconnSo why isn't it just part of the sampe rate setting function?
00:29:43kugelpetur: Hey, have you had a look at my viewport'ification of the pitchscreen?
00:29:54peturno time
00:30:16peturjust found myself at the receiving end of some spare time tonight...
00:30:28kugelfs#9231 if you find some time
00:30:29Bagderkugel: it sounds someone has modified that since I wrote it...
00:30:49kugelah
00:32:08kugelBagder: editing the Makefile to use 7zr gets me a nice rockbox.7z
00:33:07Bagderyeah, my machines have no 7za either
00:33:24Bagderweirdly enough it seems I added that... ?
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00:34:58amiconnBagder: '7za' is part of 'p7zip-full' whereas '7zr' is part of 'p7zip'
00:35:28Bagderso is there a noticable diff?
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00:35:43amiconnThe latter is the light version of the former
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00:36:13Bagder"7zr is a “light-version” of 7za that only handles 7z archives. " it says indeed
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00:39:33Nico_PBagder: saratoga suggested (and I tend to agree) that the "current status" link on the frontpage could be changed to something more explicit like "current status and in-progress ports" or "supported targets and in-progress ports"
00:40:24Bagdera fair suggestion, I'll fix something tomorrow. I'm off to bed now
00:40:35Nico_Pnice blog post btw
00:40:42Bagderthanks
00:40:43*Llorean agrees.
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00:44:10dishemany way to start rockboxui in fullscreen mode?
00:44:36dishemi'm guessing it requires X
00:44:51dishemi guess it'd be fullscreen if i just set the res to 320x240 :D
00:45:35Nico_Pyou could set the res in your build, but you'd need to do some more adapting that just that (WPS won't work, for one)
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00:50:56DerPapstor use −−zoom X
00:51:04DerPapstas argument
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01:11:02peturamiconn: I'm going to enable this for all PP targets with a WM8731 - do you see any reason this wouldn't work?
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01:33:06kugelNico_P: Are you interested in my remaining pictureflow updates?
01:33:19Nico_Pkugel: sure, although not right now
01:34:37kugelNico_P: I've uploaded a sync'd version, although I've rewritten some stuff.
01:34:50Nico_Pis it on the tracker?
01:36:06kugelyea
01:36:16Nico_Pwhich task is it?
01:36:39kugelFS #8335, still :)
01:36:56Nico_Pah, alright
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02:44:21webguest66大家好
02:44:27webguest66我有一个问题
02:45:17webguest66When I click install the bootloader
02:45:35webguest66display the message
02:45:38webguest66:
02:45:51funkynice symbols
02:46:07webguest66浅耕加启动‹序失败
02:46:27webguest66添加启动‹序失败
02:46:33funkyI don't know chinese or japanese, or wtf is that
02:47:01massiveHlooks like legos
02:48:11webguest66the dialoge displayed the message: finished the download−−−−->>>failed to add the bootloader
02:52:45soapwebguest66, which MP3 player are you trying to install on?
02:53:28kugelguess chinese
02:54:51webguest66ipod mini
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02:55:16kugelhaha, google's translations is just funny
02:55:58soapwebguest66, is it a color or a black and white screen?
02:56:15webguest66a black and white screen
02:56:31kugelsoap: Why not believe him when he tells it's a mini?
02:56:43soapok, I just asked to be sure you were not confusing a late-model Nano with a Mini. Many people seem to confuse the terms.
02:56:59Lloreankugel: More often than not, people asking for help have got their iPod models wrong
02:57:07soapLooks like you have this well under control, kugel, I'll leave you to it.
02:57:09kugelI see
02:57:15DerPapst"Canada failed to start shallow plowing procedures" interesting indeed ;)
02:57:51kugelDerPapst: Apparently google isn't even wrong. I assume the first one was a typo by webguest66
02:58:44kugelsoap: Don't get me wrong. But it sounded like he was pretty sure. Not like "I believe it's a ipod mini"
02:59:56soapThe most common cause of bootloader installation failure is attempting to install a bootloader on a non-supported iPod. And can we cut out the meta-conversation on google's translation?
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03:00:06kugelwebguest66: which OS do you use?
03:00:32soapSo my next question for webguest66 is this. Did you let RBUtil find your iPod, or did you manually select your iPod from the list?
03:00:39webguest66windows xp
03:00:46kugelsoap: was my next question too
03:00:54Lloreansoap: "Failed to add bootloader" often also means lack of admin privileges.
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03:01:07webguest66automatic search
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03:01:28soapwhich leads to kugel's question - do you have admin rights on said computer?
03:01:43kugelwebguest66: In this case, Llorean is probably right. Did you make sure that you use a user account with admin rights?
03:02:50webguest66but the RBUtil diskplay the system info.'s permissions
03:02:55webguest66is ADMIN
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03:06:48webguest66To install the rockbox under install the bootloader is successful.
03:07:51webguest66and my ipod's disk displayed in the windows have the .rockbox folder
03:09:16kugelwebguest66: so the bootloader installation was successful or not?
03:09:46kugeldo you itunes running?
03:09:58webguest66the bootloader installation was fail
03:10:05webguest66no
03:10:12kugelis it installed?
03:10:36webguest66yes
03:11:33*kugel would just try rebooting windows. that often helps
03:12:16webguest66ok, thanks
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03:30:53*kugel wonders how the font rotation works in the wvs
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03:35:35Lloreankugel: Do you mean "in mpegplayer"?
03:36:59LloreanBecause "wvs" is not a term we use anywhere in documentation or source, and it'd be helpful to general understanding if you don't just make up random acronyms, especially considering the channel guidelines.
03:37:39LloreanMy guess would be that mpegplayer just uses some pre-rotated images.
03:37:49kugelLlorean: It's used in the source...
03:38:08kugel"struct wvs"
03:38:23LloreanSo were you asking about that struct?
03:38:34kugelit just shows the term is used
03:38:41LloreanNo, it shows it's a name of an object.
03:38:59LloreanMy name's Llorean. It's in the source archive, in CREDITS. It doesn't mean my name is also a term for anything.
03:39:45*DerPapst wonders if kugel needs to sleep too :P
03:39:51kugelSo, I shouldn't call it wvs even if the according struct is called wvs?
03:40:02LloreanYou can call the struct "the wvs struct" all you want.
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03:40:50LloreanBut "wvs" is not a term used in this channel by anyone really, and is likely to cause confusion for anyone not familiar with your own personal choice of what to call it.
03:41:29LloreanI'm almost positive I've told you this before, too.
03:42:04kugelWell, back then I didn't know it's actually used in the source
03:42:23LloreanSo you decided "I now know it's in the source, Llorean asked me not to use the term here but I'll ignore him"?
03:42:27kugelNow I'm convinced it's not a random acronym
03:42:43LloreanIt's the name of a single variable. Use it when referring to that variable, please, and not as a general acronym.
03:42:50kugelYes, since you told me it's not in the source
03:43:21LloreanThe source calls it "the wvs" when referring to the screen?
03:43:49LloreanThere's many variables about the video screen, but "wvs" is just going to confuse 95% of users in here.
03:43:57LloreanIs there something _wrong_ with trying to make sure people understand what you're saying?
03:44:00kugelOh, and I've just noticed it's mentioned in the documentation too
03:44:09LloreanWhat documentation is this?
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03:44:38kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Current_Limitations
03:45:39kugelThe fact that you're not used to it doesn't make it random
03:46:03LloreanThe manual is the documentation. The wiki is supplementary material.
03:46:12LloreanPlease, just don't use the term. Seriously
03:46:17LloreanMost people will have no idea what you mean by it.
03:46:22LloreanIt's against the channel guidelines.
03:46:23LloreanEtc.
03:46:45LloreanArgue about it as you like, but the whole point of the channel guidelines is to increase understandability.
03:46:56kugelSo, how can I make it to a valid abbreviation?
03:47:07LloreanMaking up acronyms, or choosing to use variable names from the source that the vast majority won't be familiar with juts because you're too lazy to type out a half dozen more characters, is not the way to go.
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03:47:12LloreanType "the video screen"
03:47:16LloreanOr something otherwise obvious.
03:47:23LloreanYou don't need to abbreviate everything
03:47:38kugelI don't
03:47:45LloreanSo don't here.
03:47:56kugelwps is valid, so I don't see why wvs couldn't be too
03:48:01LloreanThere's no .wps file
03:48:18LloreanThere aren't hundreds of themes with the term .wps intricately intertwined
03:48:23LloreanIt's not described in the manual.
03:48:30LloreanER, no .wvs file
03:48:43kugelThat doesn't make sense to me
03:48:46LloreanIt's not called it anywhere user-visible in the program.
03:48:56LloreanIt doesn't make sense to call it something people will understand?
03:49:00LloreanSeriously, how daft are you?
03:49:02kugelStill we can used it freely here
03:49:19LloreanUse WPS freely, sure. It's covered in the manual, in the program itself. Users are expected to know it.
03:50:29rasherkugel: Basically, no one uses the term wvs, so you shouldn't either.
03:50:37LloreanThat's more or less what I've been saying.
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03:50:50kugelSeriously, don't insult me because of an abbreviation you don't like
03:51:01Lloreankugel: It's not the abbreviation, it's the spirit of it.
03:51:07LloreanUse terms the majority will know.
03:51:26LloreanUse the accepted terms of the project such as those in the manual. Don't make up terms for screens.
03:51:42LloreanThe source has a bunch of variables named WVS_this and WVS_that, but the screen is still just the mpegplayer playback screen.
03:51:47LloreanBecause that's what _everyone_ knows it as.
03:52:01LloreanJust as everyone who's even remotely familiar with Rockbox knows of the audio playback screen as the WPS
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03:54:29kugelI won't argue with you further. Get in a better mood first. I don't need to get insulted by you
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03:55:12Lloreankugel: The only point is "we need to make sure to use terms that are mostly understandable"
03:55:15LloreanDo you agree with this, or not?
03:55:51Zxcvbthe m240 isn't supported, is it?
03:55:52LloreanAnd if you have no interest in answering that one, you do need to answer "will you do what I've asked, and attempt to make sure to use terms that are understandable, whether you agree with it or not?"
03:56:01LloreanZxcvb: Only players listed on the front page of the site are supported.
03:56:12XavierGractually the term "WVS" has been used before by other devs, though not rockbox-colloquially used much
03:56:14XavierGrhttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20080109.txt
03:56:24XavierGrbut whatever....
03:56:42LloreanXavierGr: I'd be complaining at them if they were doing it here.
03:57:07XavierGrLlorean: sure no problem, I am just pointing it out. I don't use it myself
03:57:15LloreanReally if we're going to complain at people for saying "thx", we need to make sure we use terms that we have documented clearly if at all possible.
03:57:29LloreanWe can't enforce such guidelines unilaterally without being hypocrites.
03:57:39LloreanIf the sake is for people to understand, that is.
03:57:46kugelXavierGr: That's the reason I know the abbreviation, it's beed used before
03:58:33Lloreankugel: I'm asking you to stop using it until such time as it's agreed that it is an acceptable term for everyday use. You don't have to agree with why, but I want you to agree to speak clearly until there's a decision on the term overall, okay?
03:59:27kugelIt's sad for contributors to hear something like "how daft are you", did you even notice that you hit me there?
03:59:40LloreanYes. And I meant it.
03:59:48LloreanThe reasoning for the guidelines is clear, and you seem not to care.
03:59:58LloreanYou're arguing over technicalities when it's the reasoning that is the important bit.
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04:00:20LloreanSo, answer my question, or I'm going to take your refusal to answer the same as a negative answer.
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04:07:12webguest80Hello everyone
04:07:43lol3izerhello one
04:07:57webguest80I have already install the rockbox, but set the language to chinese
04:08:18webguest80display is the messy code
04:08:19lol3izerits simple... we kill the rockbox
04:09:25webguest80how to do?
04:09:41lol3izerdelete the .rockbox folder
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04:09:50lol3izerand extract it to your ipod again
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04:10:23lol3izerthats probly not the kosher way to do it, but judging by the language barrier, it by far is going to be the least frustrating
04:11:51webguest80?
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04:12:14XavierGrwebguest80: which target do you have?
04:12:29XavierGrwebguest80: I mean model
04:12:50balrogim having trouble getting the rockbox utils to recognize my ipod (5th gen, 60bg video), here's the error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/51915/
04:13:43Lloreanbalrog: Try running it with sudo.
04:14:35balrogLlorean: *smacks forehead* cant believe i didnt think about that...
04:14:57LloreanThe bootloader installation requires privileges that aren't always by default allowed for USB devices.
04:15:18balrogLlorean: right, i really cant believe i didnt think about that...
04:16:11balrogLlorean: cool, its working now...
04:16:17balrogLlorean: thank you
04:16:45LloreanNo problem
04:16:59webguest80I want the language display chinese, because I am a chinese, but after to setup, the display is messy code
04:17:21Lloreanwebguest80: You may need to pick a different font. Not all fonts have chinese characters.
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04:17:40webguest80ok, I try it
04:17:49webguest80thanks
04:18:20XavierGrwebguest80: before choosing chinese you have make sure that you have selected a font that includes chinese characters
04:18:52XavierGrwebguest80: otherwise you will just see weird characters in your display
04:19:58webguest80yes, thanks
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04:22:48balrogI install themes by just throwing them in the .rockbox/themes directory, right?
04:24:10LloreanThey need to be extracted, usually the archive already contains a. rockbox folder so you can just merge the two.
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04:25:20balrogLlorean: okay, and which section should i choose for my ipod (60bg 5th gen video)?
04:25:47LloreanSection?
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04:26:34balrogyeah, i suppose gallery is a more precise term: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
04:26:48LloreanThe one for iPod 5G...
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04:27:37balrogwow...
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04:31:23webguest00which of the 3 Windows based development environments do you guys prefer?
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04:32:32Llorean VMWare is probably used by the widest number
04:32:48webguest00thanks
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04:33:57webguest00rockbox newb here- got my Sansa e250 and e280 recently- anxious go get into the development stuff
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04:36:43webguest00got another e280 the other day, used on ebay, primarily to get the Altec Lansing im413 that was bundled with it. This e280 was (boohoo) a V2- dang.
04:37:18webguest00although perhaps I could plug into the e200 V2 port activity
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04:41:41XaphooI just installed Rockbox and all is good, except I can't get the file manager to see my gameboy (*.gb) files... why is this?
04:41:58LloreanWhat is the "Show Files" setting set to?
04:42:15Xaphooah, good point... let me check
04:42:50webguest00ya- had that filter bite me too
04:43:45Xaphoothere we go.. and here we come castlevania ii
04:44:09Xaphoothanks
04:45:19Xaphoooh and I have had difficulty in some programs quitting properly... is there a universal way to quit programs on the Ipod Video 5G ?
04:46:05LloreanNot really.
04:46:24LloreanMany quit with Menu or a brief Select+Menu I think, but you may have to confirm in the manual.
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04:48:55Xaphooevidently in Rockboy it's the hold key...
04:49:11webguest00is that all driven by the keymap defined for that port?
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04:49:35Lloreanwebguest00: Each plugin has its own individual keymap, in many cases.
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04:50:28webguest00ah ok thanks
04:51:09Xaphooman, frustrating... rockboy doesn't respond to input very well
04:51:28LloreaniPods aren't particularly fast.
04:51:53LloreanAnd emulation requires a significant amount of CPU power compared to native games. They really aren't suited for it.
04:51:59Xaphooyeah
04:52:02Xaphoopity
04:54:06webguest00how does the e200 stack up?
04:54:16LloreanSame processor.
04:54:21LloreanSmaller screen, so a little less overhead in general
04:54:40webguest00portalplayer
04:55:15LloreanPortalPlayer is a brand, kinda like AMD or Intel
04:55:34webguest00ya
04:55:43LloreanIt just so happens that all of our players with PortalPlayer brand chips use the same family of chips, and most of them are the same speed (a few are slightly faster, but we still use them at the same speed)
04:55:51webguest00sorry couldn't remember the model
04:57:38webguest00pp5024?
04:58:32LloreanFor the Sansa e200, I believe that's correct.
04:59:11webguest00and the e200 V2 uses the Austria Micro Systems AS3525
04:59:46webguest00seen the new Nano? quite thin
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05:01:41webguest00Llorean: what's your primary involvement in the rockbox community ?
05:02:06LloreanI think the general consensus would be "that annoying guy who keeps reminding people about the rules."
05:02:29LloreanBut I've done a few patches, some work on the manual, run the forums ,etc. It varies.
05:03:28webguest00saw your name prominently in the e200 keymap change thread
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05:04:27LloreanKeymaps (and in what ways they should or should not be consistent across targets) are something I tend to feel strongly about.
05:05:34webguest00indeed- figures greatly in the OS behavior
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05:12:37stevenhi can someone help me with a problem?
05:13:31Lloreansteven: Not until you tell us what it is. :)
05:13:53stevenok fair enough
05:14:12stevenim tryin to put rockbox on my 1g ipod nano 2gb
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05:17:41stevenbut im gettin an error
05:18:50LloreanWhat is the error?
05:19:14stevenlemem boot it up again
05:19:19stevenand i type it
05:20:06stevenERROR! cxant load rockbox.ipod
05:20:11steven*cant
05:20:23LloreanThen you didn't finish the whole install.
05:20:25LloreanDid you use RButil?
05:20:26steventhen it tells me reset and go disk mode
05:20:40stevenrb util where can i get that?
05:20:57stevenbtw i used ipod patcher
05:21:18scorchesteven: if you notice, that is only half the installation
05:21:22LloreaniPodPatcher just installs the bootloader, not all of Rockbox
05:21:26LloreanYou should read the manual on the website
05:21:56steveni did but manual doesnt give download link..
05:23:08wpyhsteven: it does
05:23:41wpyhyou are talking about this link, right? http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano/rockbox-build.html
05:23:50wpyhI mean, about that manual?
05:24:55wpyhI wonder if a patch to change the directory name "archos" for the simulator build will be accepted
05:25:03*wpyh is currently thinking of a good name
05:25:08stevenok
05:25:19stevenwpyh this manual is more helpful
05:25:33wpyhsteven: hm... which manual were you talking about previously then?
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05:26:01Lloreanwpyh: It's kinda kept "archos" as a nod to the original supported players
05:26:03stevenim not sure... :s
05:26:37wpyhLlorean: So it was a conscious decision?
05:26:54LloreanIt wasn't originally, but it's a conscious decision to keep it that way.
05:27:14wpyhHm... ok, so I figured the patch might not be accepted
05:27:20wpyhI was thinking of a more generic name
05:27:38wpyhsadly, "sim" was taken, "rockbox-sim" is too long... how about "stage"?
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05:33:58stevenso what format should videos be in for rockbox on my 1g ipod nano, cuz this rbutil sems to be working
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05:34:39scorchesteven: you might want to check out the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
05:35:02stevenok
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05:46:04stevenso i got rockbox on my ipod nano 1g and i have a video i wanan add but where do i save my video?
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05:46:44scorchewherever you want
05:47:10steveni mean where do i save it on my ipod so i can watch it in rockbox
05:47:16scorchewherever you want
05:47:41steven... how do i get it on my ipod tho
05:47:56scorchejust copy it over
05:48:46stevenok can u tell me exactly what the directory name is that i copy it too
05:49:17scorchewherever you wan on your device...
05:49:56stevenlike thru itunes?
05:50:12scorcheno...
05:50:34scorcheyou can just copy properly formatted videos over to wherever you want on your device..
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05:51:19stevenso i could save in calendar if i wanted...?
05:52:07steven??
05:52:25scorchei am assuming calendar is just a directory on your ipod, but yes...though it might be prudent to just make a folder called "videos" or something
05:53:02stevenok how do i access it from rockbox
05:53:16scorchethe manual should describe that
05:57:12stevenscorche does rockbox support mp4?
05:57:33stevenor avi or 3gp?
05:57:34scorchesteven: no it doesnt...i though i told you to read the PluginMpegplayer page...
05:57:50scorcheavi is not a format...please read that wiki page
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06:44:08peteroscohi, is there anyone around?
06:47:15peteroscoWell just incase anyone comes back from idle; I am having an issue with initializing my database. It seems to go on forever. I am using an iPod 5.5 Video with a 30gb hdd. I am currently running the most recent build and this issue actually started with the previous build.
06:49:12peteroscoI should mention it has "found" upwards of 70,000 files. I have a theory as to what this might be, but cannot find a fix or anyone else who has had this problem durring my searches. If there is anyone here who can offer some assistance I would really appreciate it.
06:57:03peteroscoplease email me at j.pete.lopez@gmail.com if I happen to be offline and you can help
06:57:06peteroscothanks again
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07:58:21webguest26hello everyone
07:58:29webguest26I have a question
07:59:21webguest26in my rockbox, in the plugin menu, no viewer item, why?
07:59:47webguest26I use the ipod mini
07:59:53B4gderbecause viewers are listed there
07:59:56scorchewebguest26: viewers are not shown in the plugins menu...the manual described this
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08:00:05B4gderare not even
08:00:05*jyg whistles
08:00:47jygcan folders of images be viewed as thumbnails?
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08:02:07webguest26It can be said that details of it?
08:02:48jygok, #2
08:03:09jygi was looking around for info about developing applications for rockbox
08:03:17jygi saw stuff about developing rockbox itself
08:03:19B4gderjyg: no, I don't think we have any thumbnail mode
08:03:27jygis there any info for that?
08:03:31jygthanks B4dger
08:03:33B4gderjyg: a first good step is to be able to build rockbox
08:03:42B4gderthen we have a wiki page for building plugins
08:03:47B4gder(which is what we call apps)
08:03:56jygah, plugins, ok
08:04:44jygi know its a long shot, being that i have no time :), but i wanted to play around to see if I could create a small doc reader, either a simple pdf or simple ODT viewers, from other opensource
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08:05:50B4gderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins
08:06:15B4gderand a "viewer" is just a plugin that gets a filename passed to it
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08:07:00B4gderand of course, doing the first tests and early development using a simulator build is handy
08:07:13jygyep, saw that thanks
08:07:36Janet09Can someone help me? I downloaded rockbox and followed all of the instructions in the manual but my sansa isn't any different.
08:07:42jygi was just searching for "applications", the clue for "plugins" helps me find info better, thanx
08:07:53jygJanet, which sansa?
08:07:58Janet09e280
08:08:08jyghmm i have a 250 and it worked out of the box
08:08:16B4gderjyg: in general you may find the docs on this stuff slightly lacking, so reading the source and checking existing plugins as examples might be necessary
08:08:17jygwhat problems are you having?
08:08:29jygB4gder, ok
08:08:33LloreanB4gder: Can plugins have a return value?
08:08:36B4gderJanet09: are you sure you have a v1?
08:08:40Janet09yeah
08:08:53Janet0901.02.24A
08:08:59Janet09thats v1 right?
08:09:02LloreanJanet09: Which set of instructions did you follow?
08:09:04B4gderLlorean: yes
08:09:19Janet09Manual Installation
08:09:20B4gderor rather, it always returns a "status"
08:09:33LloreanJanet09: What did sansapatcher tell you?
08:09:43Janet09sanspatcher?
08:09:56LloreanJanet09: That's part of the manual installation instructions...
08:10:24jygjanet, try the automated installer
08:10:28Janet09ok
08:11:22jygi always try the easy route first :)
08:11:37jygby the way, hats off to rockbox devs for that installer
08:12:12B4gderyeah, that's turned into a really neat thing
08:12:45jygany channels rules against sleeping here?
08:13:10B4gderlots of people idle here, we just don't want people to announce themselves as away or back etc
08:13:15Janet09No difference
08:13:25jyghuh, what's the error?
08:14:50Janet09Ok so I extracted the files and then unpluged and there was no difference...did I do something wrong?
08:15:23jygfor the automated version?
08:15:33Janet09yeag
08:15:34jygyou run the installer, you tell it where your sansa is mounted
08:15:41jygand it does everything for you
08:15:43advcomp2019Janet09, you need to install the bootloader it sounds like but the rockbox utility should have did that
08:16:02jygright, you have to install the bootloader and the rockbox os itself
08:16:21Janet09Ok...Um this is way above my head I think...
08:16:34jygjanet, in the PDF docs there are screen-by-screen instructions for the auto installer
08:17:01jygerr sorry
08:17:08jygtry ehre: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
08:17:14advcomp2019if you use the rockbox utility, it should have options to install it right
08:18:05jygok i'm fading off to sleep, later all. thanks aagin B4dger
08:20:14Janet09I'm getting a message: You configuration is invalid. This is most likely due to a changed device path.The configuration dialog will now open to allow you to correct the problem.
08:21:06Janet09I think it might be working niw
08:21:07Janet09*now
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08:25:34Janet09Why would my pictures not be working?
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08:27:51advcomp2019Janet09, what do you mean?
08:29:18Janet09Well I go to files and I see the file names but I can't veiw them
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08:30:25Janet09Nevermind. Thanks for everyone's help!
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09:00:39B4gderbtw, it seems we're slowly going back to business as usual on the site
09:00:39LloreanI think 3.1 should actually be a "features" release, since we've got a lot of patches on the backburner that could use integration, then 3.2 can have a focus on playback stability, as in try to hold back on feature commits even outside the freeze if they're likely to have a significant effect on stability
09:00:47B4gderyday was just twice the normal amount of visitors
09:01:08Llorean"just"
09:01:24B4gderhehe
09:01:31B4gder"just" some 15GB downloaded
09:01:42B4gderwithout even counting release downloads
09:02:04amiconnImho stability is significantly more important than features
09:02:16LloreanStability is about "moderate" right now.
09:02:50LloreanIf we focused on stability, we could probably get it to a fairly decent level, but people would complain about the patches on the backburner. 3.1 would be relatively stable, then we'd bring in the patches, and 3.2 would have no choice but to probably be less stable.
09:02:53amiconnAfaik it's still pssoible to confuse buffering (although I didn't observe this), and it's also possible to crash metadata readers and codecs with "bad" tracks
09:03:27amiconnAnd then there are the dozens of UI glitches introduced by viewports which need fixing
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09:05:54devslashnullhi
09:06:26devslashnulli am new to rockbox. i just installed it on my 5th gen ipod video.
09:06:48devslashnulldo i still sync my music in itunes to add music or can i drag and drop
09:06:53LloreanEither way.
09:07:11devslashnullok if i drag and drop where do i do it
09:07:16devslashnullwhat folder
09:07:34B4gderin the folder of your choice!
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09:08:17GodEaterI wonder why we get that question so much.
09:08:35devslashnullit isnt in the faq
09:08:48B4gderit should probably be
09:08:51devslashnullyep
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09:09:22GodEaterthat would merely answer it - it doesn't answer my question of "why do people ask it in the first place?" :)
09:09:27LloreanI guess we all kinda thought it was obvious enough that "we don't say where it needs to be, because there is no specific place" that we never assumed people would ask. I mean, I'll admit it catches me by surprise ever time that's someone's question.
09:09:57LloreanI can only assume that since many OFs require a special syncing program, or expect to find music in a certain place, that people assume there's a good reason it's done that way?
09:10:12GodEatermaybe
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09:10:35GodEaterI guess my early dap choices which all did file browsing have left me thoroughly onconcerned over where I put my music
09:10:43GodEater*unconcerned
09:10:57LloreanYeah, I'd be irritated if I got a DAP and it dictated directory structure.
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09:11:26GodEaterwhich to some extent, the sansa's do, with their silly "I'm going to hide the music folder" approach
09:11:37B4gderit seems most OFs do have such "music" directories
09:11:53B4gdersansa, meizu, cowon all do afair
09:12:27amiconnArchos, and iriver don't
09:12:47LloreanDon't the Sansas still index songs outside of the MUSIC folder?
09:12:47B4gderbut they're pretty old by now
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09:13:07LloreanI mean, it's even hidden when you access in MSC mode so you "can't" put songs there.
09:13:13LloreanIt's just a place it hides the MTP file structure?
09:13:27GodEaterLlorean: I've no idea, what I meant was that the OF's habit of hiding that folder means I *don't* put my music there, so I don't have to mess with the Rockbox "show files" setting
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09:13:54GodEaterwhich means the OF is dictating where I put my music to some degree
09:13:58LloreanYeah
09:14:09LloreanI like having a /music folder with everything beneath
09:14:09amiconnB4gder: Sure. That rises the question why newer DAPs are a step back compared to those...
09:14:15LloreanOn my e200 I have a /audio folder instead.
09:14:22GodEaterme too - as I like having a "spoken" folder
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09:15:01GodEateramiconn: I believe us rockboxers are in the minority considering that as a step backwards
09:15:12LloreanPeople seem to like their syncing programs.
09:15:13*amiconn has a few more complaints about newer DAPs vs. older ones than just directory structure though
09:15:25GodEateryou do surprise me ;)
09:15:36funmanSubject: Re: confirm a43cc3fc22098597e5c6fc086c7eb5cf39ce9b7f < nice email ;)
09:15:36B4gderwell, newer ones tend to have bigger storage if nothing else ;-)
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09:16:19GodEaterB4gder: pfff, storage? who needs it! :)
09:16:26scorcheo/
09:16:26amiconnB4gder: Do they? Tell that to those flash storage dap manufacturers....
09:16:58B4gderwhat, you're saying that storage is not growing?
09:17:02*amiconn doesn't understand why 8GB is the max for most of them when 32GB CF (and now even higher capacities) are available already
09:17:11LloreanB4gder: Well, the *average* storage capacity probably isn't.
09:17:23B4gdertrue, since there's this trend towards flash
09:17:25GodEaterI still remember my first 64MB player
09:17:40GodEaterand that was with a 32MB smartmedia card in it
09:17:49GodEaterI could *just* get two albums on it
09:18:03Lloreanamiconn: The target is young adults with budgets and poor ability to save.
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09:19:54GodEaterLlorean: you mean muggers right ? :)
09:20:38*amiconn fails to see the connection
09:21:04amiconnNothing would stop them offering the lower capacities as well.
09:21:28LloreanThere's probably an assumption that there's not a large enough market for them right now to warrant producing them though.
09:21:28GodEaterthe higher capacity ones would never get bought, except in very small "not cost effective" volumes
09:21:38LloreanI mean, if they thought there was enough profit in it, I'm sure they'd do it.
09:22:09GodEaterme too
09:22:16GodEaterand I'm assuming they do market research
09:22:25GodEaterso I'm guessing that research says "nope"
09:23:32LloreanThough they could just sell a flash based one that comes with a 4/6/8GB CF card that's removable.
09:24:08GodEateragain though, I suspect people wouldn't buy them as much
09:25:25LloreanI imagine internal/permanent memory generally seems better to the consumer. Nothing to lose, pop out, or break.
09:25:51B4gderand CF is more or less dead technology
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09:34:58devslashnullwow rockbox is cool
09:35:12devslashnulli wish you could just drag and drop music without using itunes
09:35:30B4gderyou can
09:36:02ruskiecf is imho still usable for some things...
09:36:55devslashnullB4gder, yes i mean without having to use rockbox
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09:37:11devslashnulli mean, apple should have made it that way from the start
09:37:16B4gderwhy would anyone want to run without rockbox? ;-)
09:37:29devslashnull:p
09:37:45ruskie:)
09:38:14devslashnulldoes rockbox let you view music by genres ?
09:39:00scorcheprovided you ahve your tags in order, sure
09:39:12peturyou have to enable the database...
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09:39:23*petur also suggests our fine manual
09:39:28devslashnullyes my tags are in perfect order
09:39:58*petur wonders if he should let logbot explain about the manual ;)
09:40:16devslashnulllook its late here
09:40:18scorchenonono
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09:42:00funmanIs there a web interface to the svn repository? I can't find it
09:42:14scorchesvn.rockbox.org?
09:42:25funmanah thanks
09:43:42funmanis there any project to switch from svn to a distributed vcs ?
09:44:17scorcheswitch fully?...no
09:44:23peturthere's a git mirror...
09:45:03scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl
09:45:07funmanpetur: oh, where ? I only found a repository on repo.cz but it was for ta gsoc project
09:45:12funmans/ta/a/
09:45:21*petur has no idea
09:46:27B4gderuhm, now where is that...
09:47:05GodEaterwhere is what ?
09:47:12B4gderthe git mirror "url"
09:47:37GodEaterwe still didn't add it to the wiki ? :)
09:48:21B4gderdon't look at me, I never do anything, I just talk
09:48:29funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl#The_public_Rockbox_git_repositor Last change end of June
09:48:39GodEaterfunman, that's not the right one :)
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09:48:49GodEaterB4gder: as soon as you find it, I'll put it in the wiki
09:48:58*GodEater has the edit page open already
09:49:07*petur looks under his desk
09:49:55GodEaterI don't know if Nico is still updating his repo.or.cz one
09:50:06funmanit seems not ;)
09:51:58GodEatergit pull git://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox
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09:52:50funmanit's rather clone for a first checkout, but thanks for the url
09:52:56GodEateryou're right
09:53:06GodEaterI'd just cut and pasted what I found in the IRC logs ;)
09:53:20GodEaterthat's the one I found that B4gder set up
09:53:22funman"typos included" ©
09:53:38GodEaterwhich one day, if I'm really good, he'll make available over http. Perhaps as a Christmas present.
09:53:54funmanit's rather easy, but creates an additional load on the server
09:54:06GodEaternot much
09:54:21GodEaterit's the additional load on B4gder's time which is the hold up ;)
09:54:40funmanGodEater: you should just have to uncomment a line in .git/hooks/the_good_one
09:55:16funmanthe command to run after each commit on the main repo is git update-server-info
09:55:38funmanin post-update hook
09:55:48GodEaterhe also needs to get the directory with the git repo in exported by apache
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10:45:02amiconnpetur: Your commit won't work on the ipod minis
10:46:43peturno?
10:47:43amiconnThe minis have no recording, and use the wm8721 driver, which didn't receive the required changes
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10:48:12amiconnAnd if you do these changes, you can then include ipod g1/g2 as well
10:48:21peturah.. but they do declare to use WM8731....
10:48:37peturI'll have a look tonight
10:49:03amiconnThey don't
10:49:24*petur checks
10:49:52peturargh
10:49:59peturyou're right (as usual)
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11:10:43funmancould you commit http://paste.ubuntu.com/52031/ (the actual code does produce invalid, bricking, firmwares) before FS #9396 is completed ?
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11:13:32funmanI'll harrass you for FS #9396 when we have know a button for the C200 and M200 :)
11:13:57funmanbut in the meantime this could avoid someone bricking its device if he didn't read the forum thread
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11:17:18funmanlinuxstb: did you test this memmove() in mkamsboot.c or was it a wild supposition ?
11:18:45linuxstbfunman: I was just looking at that now, and I can't remember why I wrote it... I probably never tested it, simply because my test code was never more than a few bytes.
11:19:32linuxstbBut I'll remove it now...
11:20:40funmanlinuxstb: we may be able to do it by changing some occurences (not all) of the firmware size in the code, but we need to test that on recoverable e200
11:22:09funmanthere is 7 occurences of the exact firmware size in the file: 2 in the file header (which mkamsboot changes), 2 in the code (used as a lower stack limit), and 3 in data segments without cross references
11:23:01funmanso maybe changing the last 3 references will work, we must not touch the 2 first because stack would begin in a code segment (we suppose)
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11:27:44linuxstbfunman: Fix committed.
11:28:24funmanthanks
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13:03:49BigBambiooops :)
13:03:56leftright:-))
13:04:00BigBambiBest change that password :)
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13:05:41leftrightBagder: would you mind posting yor blog url, please
13:05:41at0m|ci likethat's why i gave it an alias
13:05:52at0m|cor at least run it from status window or so eh
13:05:58BigBambileftright: daniel.haxx.se/blog
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13:59:48Nico_Plinuxstb: do you know why your commit message was garbled like that?
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14:00:01linuxstbI guess I used utf-8...
14:00:25linuxstbI've seen it before with other commit messages.
14:00:25Nico_PI thought it worked OK...
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14:01:40B4gderbut doesn't it look fine if you 'svn log' in a utf8-using term?
14:01:50*Nico_P checks
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14:02:14Nico_Pyep it's OK
14:02:36Nico_PB4gder: is the svn server UTF8-enabled?
14:03:00B4gderright, so it's "just" the silly scripts/web server showing it badly
14:03:08Nico_Pthe commit email had the control chars too
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14:03:36jcr412can someone tell me how to get albumart working
14:03:42B4gderthat's possibly also similar problems to the web server's
14:03:46linuxstbjcr412: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
14:03:50jcr412i have a ipod video
14:04:07jcr412thankyou :)
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14:41:03starnobleis there anyone who can please assist me with building a voice? I have everything else done that I need, just building the voice is my issue now.
14:43:08starnobleIs there anyone who can assist me with building a voice using sapi? I looked at the info on the web, but it seems kind of confusing, it mensions using lame to do it and stuff, but not sure.
14:51:11GodEaterstarnoble: although I can't help you much, since I don't own a windows box, I *can* tell you that unless you own an older archos DAP, any instructions which say to use LAME are out of date, since rockbox now uses speex, not mp3 voices.
14:52:04GodEaterare you having trouble with the ones in our wiki ?
14:52:59starnobleWell I saw that I needed to get my language file, I have english.lng. Do I need to move it or can the script get it from the iPod itself?
14:56:57starnoblenot sure what I need to type for target iPod Video 30 gb
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15:06:30B4gderyou need english.lang, which is available in the source archive
15:08:04blkhawkA GLados voice would be cool
15:08:32starnobleok I think it's building the voice. I hope this works.
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15:09:04starnobleit came up with a lot of errors, but it is still building
15:09:23starnoblesomethign about elf not found or osmething
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15:09:46starnobleI looked in the folder and I am seeing mp3's and wav's
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15:10:13starnobleNow after this is done, where does the voice file need put to work?
15:10:15B4gderthat sounds... wrong
15:10:29B4gderwhat target are you doing the voice for?
15:10:37starnobleiPod Video
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15:28:46userdingWPS have a question
15:33:22userdingmy rockbox's language is chinese, the interface is correct, but the WPS display the music's information is mess, how can i do?
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15:34:43LambdaCalculus37userding: You can use a WPS that supports Unifont, which will display the proper characters, and also set your codepage to Unicode (Settings > General Settings > Display > Default codepage).
15:43:43userdingTHANK YOU VERY MUCH
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15:50:41devslashnullhey which id3 tas does rockbox use ?
15:50:46devslashnull*tags'
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15:52:12GodEaterdevslashnull: it uses V1 and V2 tags
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15:53:13starnobleWhen it is building the voice file, is it supposed to be making files like LANG_BOOKMARK_CONTEXT_MENU.mp3
15:53:21devslashnullGodEateri drag and dropped music from my itunes library and all of the tags are perfectly set but in rockbox, some of the music is not tagged
15:53:46devslashnulllike the genre isnt set for the albums but i did assign the genre in my itunes linrary
15:54:29devslashnulldo i have to just reassign the id3 tags using another app ?
15:54:31kugeldevslashnull: itunes tends to use his own tags
15:55:06kugelyou're better of double checking the tags with another program, like mp3tag
15:55:32devslashnullis that for pc ?
15:55:45kugelyes, for windows
15:55:46devslashnulldo you know of an app for mac
15:55:46starnobleit's building it on a windows machine
15:56:00kugelUhm, I think easytag works on mac
15:57:09devslashnullok thanks
15:57:14kugelBut, googling for "mp3tag mac" reveals that it's possible to run on mac (mp3tag is my favorite tagging tool)
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15:57:48starnobleOk is it normal that I see little files in the build folder called like LANG_BALANCE.mp3?
15:58:06kugeldevslashnull: using wine
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16:00:29markunkugel: I now mostly use http://eyed3.nicfit.net/ for ID3 tags
16:02:19kugelmarkun: Never heard of that. I mostly like mp3tag since it supports other tags (vorbis comments etc) just as well as id3
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16:03:18markununfortunate name then
16:03:36kugellike the archos folder in the sim :)
16:03:45markunyes, we should rename that :)
16:05:50B4gdernoooo, it's for old times sake!
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16:18:39kugelCurrenty rockbox has 2 "performance states" (boosted and unboosted). I wonder how usefull a 3rd one would be (e.g. 50MHz on e200)
16:19:54starnobleBah is there not a way to build the voice in mac os x?
16:20:08kugelSome plugins (like bubbles) would definitely benefit, without running fully boosted all the time
16:20:29starnobleNoone's made an Apple script or anything to do this I take it?
16:20:58kugelstarnoble: there's a daily voice build available (english)
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16:21:20starnoblenod I wanted to build one using Alex
16:21:56kugelwhat's "nod", I've seen you saying this several times
16:22:22starnobleis there some app to do this?
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16:29:08pixelmastarnoble: I thought the Rockbox Utility would be able to build voices, though I never tried myself yet
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16:39:37SoapWorkOne more push for a dev to look at my battery bench patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9428
16:39:56SoapWorkI'll be a good boy now and assume people know it exists, and await comment. ;)
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16:44:21kugelanyone with a gigabeat here?
16:48:19LambdaCalculus37kugel: Plenty of us. ;)
16:48:36kugelLambdaCalculus37: you have a gigabeat too? great
16:48:42LambdaCalculus37kugel: F or S?
16:48:51kugelboth are fine :P
16:49:21kugelLambdaCalculus37: the gigabeat's don't have backlight fading, do they?
16:49:40markunthe F does (don't know about the S)
16:50:03kugelah ok
16:50:47GodEaterpretty sure the S does too
16:50:49*kugel couldn't find anything related in config-gigabeat.h
16:51:25markunthe Gigabeat F fading isn't done by PWM like most other targets
16:51:58LambdaCalculus37kugel: markun's right.
16:52:10LambdaCalculus37By the way, did you see the updated patch at FS #6800?
16:52:27kugelLambdaCalculus37: sure!
16:52:39kugelgreat that it also works on c200
16:53:10amiconnHmm, no mcuelenare around
16:53:14LambdaCalculus37kugel: Yep. I still want the honest opinions of other devs before I decide to commit it.
16:53:45kugelLambdaCalculus37: I understand that
16:53:59LambdaCalculus37gevaerts already made a comment about it.
16:54:10kugelLambdaCalculus37: also, I've decided to rewrite it to make this software fading available to all targets
16:55:49LambdaCalculus37kugel: Make sure you check to see that a target doesn't do it already, though. The iPods already have backlight fading (at least my two color iPods do), and as we covered, the Gigabeat F.
16:55:59*LambdaCalculus37 will check his S when it's fully charged
16:56:04kugelyea, that's why I'm asking :)
16:56:45LambdaCalculus37Always good to ask. ;)
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16:58:58kugelnow, I just need a target without fading
16:59:27LambdaCalculus37kugel: Did you investigate the iriver H300 and iAudio X5?
16:59:37kugelnot yet
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17:01:01kugelthe h300 doesn't seem to have target-specific backlight code
17:03:55kugelwhoops, wrong folder :P
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17:07:39kugelLambdaCalculus37: doesn't look like beast would fade
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17:09:55LambdaCalculus37kugel: Give it fading. ;)
17:20:59amiconnkugel: You cannot port the sw pwm fading to all targets
17:21:15kugelamiconn: Not pwm fading
17:21:29amiconnHow else?
17:21:47amiconnFading with the backlight controller requires a sufficient number of steps
17:21:54kugelchanging the brightness level in a loop
17:21:59amiconnThe H300 and X5 don't have enough steps
17:22:03kugellike it's done in FS #6800
17:22:28kugelthe e200 has 12 steps, and even with brightness set to 5, fading looks very decent
17:23:14amiconnIt only has 12 steps at full brightness. And I expect fading to look ugly if there aren't at least 30 steps
17:24:03kugelIt's not
17:24:35wpyhhi
17:24:46wpyhhas anyone noticed a bug in the menu setting for "Show Icon"
17:24:51kugelI'm using backlight fading on my e200 for quite a while now, and I'm just satisfied
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17:26:38wpyhif I enter that menu item, and then scroll from No to Yes to No, the icon will be displayed beside the header "Show Icons"; if I enter that menu item, and then scroll from Yes to No to Yes, the icon will not be displayed beside the header "Show Icons"
17:27:43*amiconn wonders how kugel will make it fade at brightness 1...
17:27:58peturkugel, amiconn: I assume that if you keep the time between steps short enough you won't notice those steps too much. But that means 5 steps are cycled pretty quickly so not too much effect...
17:30:21kugelpetur: the time between steps is HZ/25
17:30:58peturseeing is believing, I guess...
17:31:13amiconnThe time cannot be fixed, as the (a) the fade-in/fade-out times are variable, (b) they depend on the current brightness
17:31:23wpyhI wonder if one could alternate the backlight brightnesses (i.e. quickly switch between brightness levels) to simulate a fade-out or fade-in
17:32:02amiconnwpyh: We do this on targets where backlight is controlled via gpio. On targets where backlight is controlled via i2c, this is impossible
17:32:25wpyhamiconn: ok..
17:32:33wpyh(why?)
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17:33:18amiconnIt would mean doing i2c from an isr. On some targets this would break the i2c driver. On others it would even work, but the isr would drain a lot of cpu (i2c isn't the fastest thing...)
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17:36:29kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: Salutations!
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17:36:45LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Hey there!
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17:37:54kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: I've been absent for several days now, as I just finished moving, and just got interwebs back today! did I miss any crazy breakthroughs or important events?
17:37:58n1sBagder: ping
17:39:52LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Nope, nothing major. I'm still trying to look up the GPIO values for the 2nd gen nano.
17:40:25kronfluxwell, I'm still starting out in this stuff. if I knew what gpio values were, or where to find them, I'd help out.
17:41:17GodEaterLambdaCalculus37: well he did miss the 3.0 release ;)
17:41:36LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Ah, crap! I forgot that he wasn't here with us!
17:41:44saratogayou're working on GPIO values for the Nano2G?
17:41:53GodEaterwhile this is nothing much to do with the Nano 2G, it is, I think "Major" ;)
17:42:01LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Well, trying to, anyway. :)
17:42:07kronfluxGodEater: nah, I was in that night ;) I just havent had a chance to try it yet, because I have no hackable media player yet :p
17:42:16saratogadoes this mean you can run code on it?
17:42:18LambdaCalculus37kronxflux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPIO
17:42:23GodEaterkronflux: ah, my apologies then
17:42:25lol3izerGeneral Purpose IO
17:42:46GodEatersaratoga: we might be able to when it's in DFU mode.
17:42:47LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Well, I got meizu_dfu to successfully upload a file to the 2G nano.
17:44:03*GodEater thinks there's a trend of installation methods getting increasingly destructive with recent "targets"
17:44:34kugelLambdaCalculus37: have you checked if the beast fades?
17:44:42LambdaCalculus37kugel: It's still charging.
17:44:49kugelok
17:45:28saratogahow is cpu_idle determined?
17:45:34saratogano pending threads?
17:45:51n1skugel: i'm pretty sure the beast backlight fades out, probably a feature of the mc13783
17:47:25LambdaCalculus37jhMikeS should know a little more, I believe.
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17:54:56amiconnThe beast fades in, but not out. And the fade-in seems to be fixed and not disableable :(
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18:12:52kugelamiconn: hmm
18:12:57kugelnot good
18:13:28kugelLambdaCalculus37: alert me when charging is finished
18:13:43LambdaCalculus37kugel: Roger.
18:14:58wpyhI would like to abolish the menu item "Settings -> Theme Settings -> Clear Backdrop". The reason is that it seems useless.
18:16:25n1swpyh: how should you make rockbox display no backdrop without creating a whole new theme?
18:16:37wpyhOn the other hand, we can replace it with a submenu called "Backdrop", which contains a few entries: 1) Solid Colour, 2) Gradient, 3) Bitmap. And then we can use it to select the type and colour of the backdrop
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18:17:45soapmore than a menu is needed for that proposal, you also need a bmp generator to create said "Solid Color" (?) and "gradient" backgrounds.
18:17:49wpyhn1s: well, if you would like that functionality, I think the second method above can be used
18:18:16wpyhyes, I do realize that
18:18:30wpyha bmp generator would not be too difficult though
18:20:42wpyhsoap: is it a lot more expensive to display a black bitmap backdrop, compared to no backdrop at all?
18:21:50n1sno backdrop at all would be solid background color, not necessarily black
18:22:54wpyhn1s: hm... but would it be more expensive?
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18:24:32n1swpyh: i'm not sure what you mean by expensive, displaying a background will take the exact same amount of cpu regardless of what color it is (or if it's a bitmap)
18:25:40wpyhn1s: yes, by expensive I mean the CPU time. if it's the same, then i think it's feasible
18:25:50lol3izerit would use more ram
18:26:00lol3izerdepending how the display driver is written
18:26:06n1slol3izer: ther's a static backdrop buffer
18:26:17starnobleHas anyone else had a problem building a voice for Rockbox? I can't seem to get it to work. And I followed the web site exactly.
18:26:23wpyhnow, the problem is getting devs to agree to it...
18:26:35wpyhand then I can implement it and send a patch
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18:28:31kugelwpyh: How about getting the devs to agree BY implementing it? :)
18:29:18lol3izerkugel, no one hashes out someone else's idea
18:29:36wpyhkugel: great idea :D
18:29:40lol3izerthats more of a corporate thing ;)
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18:30:16kugellol3izer: ???
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18:31:32BigBambilol3izer: If wpyh implements it there is more chance of it happening than if he doesn't
18:31:34*wpyh doesn't understand what lol3izer is talking about
18:31:53BigBambiHowever, if it really isn't wanted, then implementing it in the first place is pointless except for personal use
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18:33:02soapI have a suspicion a bmp generator in core would not be desired due to binsize bloat.
18:33:12starnobleCould someone please assist me in creating a voice for Rockbox? What other components do I need to do it in Windows other than the sapi voice, Cygwin, and the source checked out from svn? Something seems to be messed up with the build process.
18:33:17wpyhhm... guess I have to implement it first and _then_ talk :D
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18:33:25BigBambisoap: I agree
18:33:27wpyhsoap: how about a pixmap generator?
18:33:46soapyou're asking the wrong person, wpyh.
18:33:52BigBambiwpyh: You will have to work very hard to persuade people of anything that is of marginal use
18:33:52wpyhhm... ok
18:34:03wpyhok...
18:34:17soapperhaps a gradient bmp generating plugin.........
18:34:18n1swpyh: IMHO, that color selection could go in a similar menu as the "Line Selector Colours" and your Backdrop menu would be just "Bitmap", "Colour (Solid)" and "Colour (Gradient" or somesuch to be consistent with the line selector colur stuff
18:35:28n1sWe already generate gradients for the line selector so it could probably be done for backdrops too pretty easily
18:35:39wpyhn1s: ah, good idea :)
18:36:45starnobleAlright I am blind so I can't use the qt installer app, so I need some way to be able to build the voice by hand, but the make voice script isn't working. It's coming out with loads of errors.
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18:38:39wpyhn1s: I have just explored the line selector menu a bit more. I think I can just copy it over for the backdrop since it's essentially the same thing, just that line selector is thin and backdrop is wide
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18:40:52BigBambistarnoble: I'm sorry I can't help you as I don't use voice, but I've seen you ask a few times so just wanted to say please hang in there and hopefully somebody that knows will be along soon
18:42:15lol3izerstarnoble, the mailing list may be a better resource for you
18:42:41lol3izerstarnoble, out of curiousity, how do you find rockbox's usabillity with voice?
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18:43:33kronfluxbah. I wish we knew everything we need to know about the 2g nano.. I miss rockbox. I havent used it in forever, and I want to try 3.0 *tear*
18:44:07LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Dude, if only Apple were nicer to us...
18:44:09lol3izerkronflux, you shouldn't buy from companies with policies like apples
18:44:30kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: indeed.
18:44:47lol3izerthe only way you can change these things is by chosing to not support their policies
18:44:50kronfluxlol3izer: yeah, well unfortunately they make really nice mp3 players. and I got mine for free, so I wasnt arguing. :p
18:45:08lol3izeri would call them pretty average imo
18:45:08BigBambiThere are many better players out there than ipods IMO
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18:45:19kronfluxoh definitely.
18:45:23kronfluxbut their still rather nice.
18:45:32kronfluxjust not as nice as they could be.
18:45:34lol3izerthe quality of construction is OK, but they arnt the best
18:45:36*BigBambi disagrees, but this is getting off-topic
18:45:49LambdaCalculus37kronflux: I did send a 1-byte long file to my nano with meizu_dfu, and it took. So there is a possibility that if we can find out what the GPIO pins do, we can perhaps graduate to blinking the LCD or turning the backlight on.
18:46:27kronfluxyeah, you got me to help with that originally. and we were unable to actually get code running.
18:46:29J-23can somebody delete my newest comment at FS #9396?
18:47:29kronfluxBigBambi: not exactly off-topic. the quality of players can be directly related to rockbox discussion. who wants a ratty thing to stick a decent firmware on?
18:48:08BigBambiRockbox doesn't run on it. Unless you are discussing developing rockbox for it, it is off-topic
18:48:43BigBambiA discussion of out of the players that Rockbox does run on, which runs it 'best' is a different story
18:48:53kronfluxwell that's exactly what we're discussing. it was merely a side note about such. we're talking about developing rockbox for the nano 2g.
18:49:08kronfluxanyway
18:49:17BigBambiRight, which is fine. The discussion branched into how good it was, which is not fine
18:49:53J-23it's probably an Opera bug
18:50:04BigBambiJ-23: will do
18:50:08J-23form data is re-sent when refreshing page :/
18:50:36kronfluxwell, I agree to disagree. but I'll drop it regardless, as I don't like to argue much. I was simply pointing out that quality of the player can actually directly relate to the discussion of rockbox and the development of such. anyhoo.
18:50:41kugelJ-23: happens on ff too
18:50:45BigBambiJ-23: Marcin Łukasik?
18:50:52J-23yes.
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18:51:06BigBambikronflux: Good, please do.
18:51:24LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Have you gotten the datasheet of the SoC from the MeizuM6Port page?
18:51:27BigBambiJ-23: OK, done
18:51:51J-23than you.
18:51:53J-23thank*
18:51:57kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: negative.
18:51:58LambdaCalculus37kronflux: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=212&partnum=SA58700
18:55:18kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: so what mystical wonders am I looking at here? is this the same as the 2g? or..
18:55:40LambdaCalculus37kronflux: That's the SoC from the nano 2G.
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18:56:11LambdaCalculus37Here's a better link: http://rapidshare.com/files/101234522/S5L8700X-DS.pdf.html
18:57:10*kronflux downloads it
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19:00:12kronfluxhm. my new isp seems to be very lame and slow. guess I'll have to upgrade when I get a chance.
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19:07:43jygit seems the smallest size for an image resizing on rockbox (by pressing select) is about 400x300
19:07:56jygdoes this seem sorts of wierd since the native size is 176x200?
19:08:01kronfluxsamsung confidential, eh?
19:08:03kronfluxinteresting.
19:08:19jyger, on sansa e200, at any rate
19:09:00jygi wonder if I have missed something in the configuration (and i've poured over it a few times) or i'm just going ot have to resize every timage
19:09:45pixelmaimage resizing?
19:10:09starnobleAnyone here experienced in building Rockbox voices?
19:10:13pixelmawhat images are you talking about and what for?
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19:10:58domonokystarnoble: there are different ways to build voices, which one do you mean ? :-)
19:11:32starnobleWell, as I am blind, I can't use the qt installer, so I guess the manual way. Unless there is some other relatively easy way to do it?
19:12:30domonokythere are 3 ways: using our buildsystem (in some thing like cygwin), using rbutil, and some voicebox+ script which i dont really know...
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19:13:16domonokyand i would also be interested on what problems blind user have with rbutil ( so that we can improve it) .. .
19:14:54starnobleWell, I am running on a mac using os x Leopard, and I have Windows in a virtual machine. Idealy I would like an Alex voice generated by the mac, but not sure if that's possible to do or not. If not that, then I would like a Realspeak voice generated in the Windows vm. I tried to get the source from svn, and I followed the instructions on the web site exactly, but it started spitting out errors, and it was making 4k mp3 files that
19:14:55starnoblewere all blank. So not sure what else I can try.
19:15:41domonokyoki, so you are now trying the buildsystem in cycgwin on windows ?
19:16:10kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: so what were we looking for? sheesh this thing has a lot of pins :p
19:16:42starnobleThe problem is that qt isn't accessible for screen readers generally. The most feedback I was able to get in os x was the menus and the titles of the dialogs. But as for the actual text stuff that didnt' seem to be accessible.
19:17:31starnobleyeah I was
19:17:39domonokystarnoble: thats not really correct. Qt has some code for accessibility, i dont know how it is on mac, but at least on windows it works somewhat...
19:17:43LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Anything related to the LCD to start.
19:18:14amiconndomonoky: Voicebox+ is not for building voice files, but for building .talk clips
19:18:27domonokystarnoble: and which voice engine did you try with cygwin ?
19:18:35starnobleWell the Windows qt installer isn't accessible either it seems
19:18:36LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Get your notebooks, pens, and wrists ready, cuz it's notes-taking time! ;)
19:18:37domonokyamiconn: ah, correct....
19:19:18kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: well I would assume you've already looked at this, possibly taken notes already? so if thats true, perhaps we should collaborate on what you've gathered so far.
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19:19:29kronfluxand if not.. I'll start now :p
19:19:40starnobleOk on Windows I am using Sapi5, using the Realspeak Solo voices. The Jill voice.
19:19:40domonokystarnoble: we always have the problem, that we dont get enough exact feedback from blinduser for the installer (it doesnt work, is not enough. we need specifics)...
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19:20:56domonokystarnoble: i would make a first try with a default sapi voice, generating a english voice file. So we know if it works in your vm...
19:21:21starnobleOk what would you like more information on so I can be of more help?
19:22:23kugelhow long does the beast need to charge? :S
19:22:39starnobleok what do I need to do to test
19:23:01LambdaCalculus37kugel: It's done.
19:23:25starnobleI have the build directory created
19:23:32LambdaCalculus37kronflux: I have some notes at home.
19:23:46kugelLambdaCalculus37: nice alert :) So, how's fading?
19:23:53blkhawkstarnoble: would a python script that triggers the windows sapi help you?
19:23:57kronfluxLambdaCalculus37: ah. I assume you're at work or something? :P
19:24:10LambdaCalculus37kronflux: Yes.
19:24:11domonokystarnoble: it would be very nice, if you could tell us exactly which parts of rbutil are not spoken, ie which buttons are not voiced when tabbing, which window doest tell its caption. (could perhaps need sighted help, so you can identify the silent things). But it would be very nice if we can get some feedback on this into the tracker. Then we can improve it
19:24:17LambdaCalculus37kugel: No fading.
19:24:33blkhawki made one for a SecondLife project once
19:24:47starnoblehmm I'll try anything
19:25:03kugelLambdaCalculus37: not at all? n1s said it'd be only fading out, while amiconn said it'd be only fading up
19:25:27blkhawkwould only help if you have done any programming tho - it plugs into a mysql database of erm vietnam verteran names
19:25:29LambdaCalculus37kugel: Just to make sure...
19:25:34*LambdaCalculus37 looks at it again.
19:25:37domonokystarnoble: back to your cygwin problems: you created a build dir, run "../tools/configure" with selecting voice and the "make voice" ?
19:25:53starnobleyes that is correct
19:25:54LambdaCalculus37kugel: It fades in, but doesn't fade out.
19:26:02*blkhawk takes a look at the build enviroment
19:26:24***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
19:26:26domonokystarnoble: and can you give as the exact error (paste it to pastebin.com)
19:26:52kugelLambdaCalculus37: Hm ok. Then I need to edit a bit. I'm back in a few minutes (prepare to build a test built :P )
19:26:52domonokyblkhawk: the buildsystem already can use sapi, via a vbs script.. :-)
19:27:18blkhawkah
19:27:44blkhawkso why not erm - bundle up a care packge for mr noble here
19:27:55amiconnbah
19:28:03*amiconn curses crappy rockboxdev.sh
19:30:06amiconnFirst, it doesn't stop when one of the sub-tasks (configure binutils, make bintuils, install binutils, plus the equivalents for gcc) fails
19:30:06starnoblehow can I have it log the output of make voice to a file?
19:30:10domonokyblkhawk: what do you mean with care package ? as far as i know he already has a buildsystem in a vm, he just gets some errors while creating the voice.
19:30:35amiconnSecond, it deletes the build-dir even if there were errors, making analysis hard
19:30:50domonokystarnoble: make voice 1&2> errors.txt ?
19:31:17amiconnThird, it unpacks everything at the beginning and only cleans up at the end of each toolchain build, needing a lot of additional temporary diskpace
19:31:38amiconnmcuelenaere: there?
19:31:42blkhawkdomonoky: you help him debug it :) its better to have stuff working anyway
19:31:47mcuelenaereamiconn: yes
19:31:50blkhawkbut if its just a few megs....
19:32:14amiconnmcuelenaere: I'm trying to make Interix usable for rockbox development, as it's significantly faster than cygwin
19:32:37amiconnBuilding the mipsel toolchain needs an additional configure switch for the binutils: −−disable-werror
19:32:57amiconnDo you think it will hurt to set this for all host platforms, or shall I make it Interix-only?
19:33:29mcuelenaerehmm I'm not really familiar with the binutils configure options
19:33:29mcuelenaereprobably it'll be better if you make it Interix-only if possible
19:33:47amiconn−−disable-werror is new to 2.17, and it disables the -Werror switch when building bfd
19:33:58amiconnThis switch in turn makes gcc treat all warnings as errors
19:34:45amiconnSince building on interix throws a lot of warnings regarding object alignment, binutils won't build when that swiitch is in effect, so it needs to be disabled
19:36:40*amiconn would also be interested in a test whether mips code produced by that toolchain will actually run, if that can be done safely
19:36:42mcuelenaerein that case I guess it doesn't hurt too much when only enabled on Interix
19:37:07amiconnI can test the other toolchains myself, but not mips
19:37:08mcuelenaeretry comparing the output of a MIPS target between an Interix build and a Linux build?
19:37:17mcuelenaerewhy not MIPS?
19:37:24amiconnI have no mips target
19:37:37mcuelenaereah you mean trying the code *on* the target?
19:37:40amiconnyes
19:38:02mcuelenaereif you send me the binary, I can see whether it works
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19:38:37amiconnBut first I need to get gcc to build (there's currently an error, but I have a suspicion what it is). Thanks to crappy rockboxdev, I have to rebuild in order to check that though :\
19:39:33amiconnInterix is 2x...5x as fast as cygwin when building the toolchains, so I hope there'll be a similar speedup for building rockbox...
19:39:50*LambdaCalculus37 is looking up Interix
19:40:01amiconnAka SFU, aka SUA
19:40:29mcuelenaerehow is it speed compared to VMWare?
19:40:35mcuelenaereit's*
19:41:29starnobleUsing source code root directory: /home/Administrator/source/rockbox
19:41:29starnoble./../tools/configure: line 2044: arm-elf-gcc: command not found
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19:41:29starnobleWARNING: this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
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19:42:40*domonoky even told him to use one :-)
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19:43:28star_jasminehi everyone. is there a way to compile rbuil from the source code using cygwin? there are changes since the most recent installer on the 25th that I would like to use
19:43:37domonokystarnoble: you should use a pastbein (e.g. pastebin.com) to paste big things..
19:44:17amiconnmcuelenaere: I didn't compare that yet
19:44:42domonokystar_jasmine: you should use the mingw shell which comes whith the Qt install to compile rbutil.
19:45:28starnobleDid you guys see what I pasted before it booted me?
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19:46:04LambdaCalculus37starnoble: We did, but next time, pastebin it. logbot doesn't like flooding.
19:46:08Hillshumokay, when i run make from /utils/AMS/hacking i get a firmware outputted. how do i use a .diff to change the output?
19:46:10domonokystarnoble: only 5 lines. please use pastebin.com to show more then 2 lines )
19:46:29starnobleok
19:47:20starnoblewhat can I do to fix my error? that may be what's causing make voice not to work, not sure.
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19:48:23starnobleAnd I also tested the rbinstaller in Windows and it does seem a little more accessible than in mac os x actually.
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19:49:08domonokystarnoble: the released rbutil version unfortunatly has a bug, so sapi voice dont work :-/ (already fixed in svn) ...
19:50:11domonokystarnoble: were there more than those 5 lines of errors ? (the errors say you dont have the crosscompilers installed, but i think you would not need them to build voices)
19:50:11starnobleI got this version of th source from svn
19:50:48starnoblethere are more errors when I do make voice
19:51:04starnoblejust wan't sure if those ones would cause a problem or not
19:51:36domonokyplease give us those other errors (in a pastebin ! :-) )
19:52:27starnobleCan you please tell me what to do again to log make output?
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19:53:48Grungi_AnkhfireI made a theme, and I'd like to add it to the wiki. Is there anyone in particular I need to talk to in order to gain wiki write permissions ?
19:54:38Hillshumhave you registered?
19:54:38domonokystarnobe: make voice 1&2> error.txt i think... but there is also a copy&paste function in the cygwin shell somewhere :-)
19:54:48Grungi_AnkhfireYup, I did.
19:54:59Hillshumwhat's the name?
19:55:03Grungi_AnkhfireBastienGorissen is.
19:55:26LambdaCalculus37I'll add you.
19:55:47Grungi_AnkhfireThanks.
19:56:17LambdaCalculus37Done. Promise not to spam, now. ;)
19:56:36Hillshumkugel: FS #9396
19:56:56Hillshumhow do i give someone write access?
19:57:15LambdaCalculus37Hillshum: I already took care of it.
19:57:20Grungi_AnkhfireNo problem, I'll behave. ^^
19:57:23Lloreandomonoky: Yeah, but that depends on your buffer, it's nice to see everything that happened up to that point.
19:57:34webguest80any1 know were to get a HACK for MAGELLAN ROADMATE 1200
19:57:43LambdaCalculus37webguest80: Not here.
19:57:45Hillshumi know, but for the future?\
19:58:03webguest80any1 know were to get a HACK for MAGELLAN ROADMATE 1200
19:58:12LambdaCalculus37webguest80: Stop it.
19:58:19webguest80any1 know were to get a HACK for MAGELLAN ROADMATE 1200
19:58:26webguest80dont worry bout what i do
19:58:32Bagderwebguest80: stop that now
19:58:41Hillshumstop it
19:58:44webguest80or what
19:58:48LambdaCalculus37webguest80: You either stop it or you're out.
19:58:54webguest80u gonna tell on me
19:59:02Hillshumkick you
19:59:04*n1s spots Bagder!
19:59:10*LambdaCalculus37 pulls his boots on
19:59:12*linuxstb waves
19:59:13starnobleok I pasted it to pastbin.com
19:59:21LambdaCalculus37starnoble: What's the link?
19:59:23starnobleIt didn't seem to spit out any error this time.
19:59:24*Bagder stands straight
19:59:25webguest80so i am trying to find some help and you wanna be a BITCH
19:59:34n1sBagder: the release source 7z archive seems to be of the trunk, not branch
19:59:40starnobleIt is making little mp3's, is that right? they're each only like 500 bytes each?
19:59:41Bagderreally?
19:59:48kugelLambdaCalculus37: It would be nice if you would try out this patch: http://pastebin.ca/1213852
19:59:54BagderI'll check my script
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20:00:03kugelI cannot guarantee that it works though :(
20:00:16LambdaCalculus37kugel: Is this similar to FS #6800?
20:00:22gevaertswebguest80: we have channel guidelines. You saw a link to them before coming here, and again in the topic. Please follow them
20:00:29kugelexpanded to beast, yea
20:00:42Hillshumwebgust80: read the topic
20:00:43n1sBagder: as reported in the very helpful FS #9421 it does containg LANG_ALBUMART which is not in the branch
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20:00:56LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Get 'em!
20:00:59n1ss/ing//
20:01:13webguest80any one know anything about the MAGELLAN ROADMATE 1200 and no comments from LambdaCalculus37
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20:01:23n1summ s_//_/n/_
20:01:26starnoblehttp://pastebin.com/m77ff7fe3
20:01:36*LambdaCalculus37 watches webguest80 fly over the horizon
20:01:38markunBagder: and block him by IP?
20:01:58Lloreanmarkun: He is b locked by IP as long as he uses webclient.
20:02:01Bagderthe ip is the user name part of the host mask
20:02:03markunah yes :)
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20:02:20markunor not
20:02:26gevaertsBagder: you want to leave out the session ifd
20:02:30Bagderhaha, I just used a lame xchat "rule"
20:02:46webguest23u suck
20:02:47markunBagder: try again?
20:02:47BagderI hope he'll be nice now
20:02:51markunnope :)
20:02:52webguest23IM BACK
20:02:54LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Guess not.
20:02:58starnobleAre the little mp3 files that it generates supposed to all be around 500 bytes in size? or should they be bigger than that?
20:03:01webguest23cant keep me out
20:03:02Bagderwebguest23: can you please be nice?
20:03:07advcomp2019webguest23, just look on the forums tho
20:03:15webguest23yea i would if LambdaCalculus37 wasnt a prick
20:03:20LambdaCalculus37advcomp2019: No feeding the troll!
20:03:30linuxstbwebguest23: The answer to your question is no - no-one around here has mentioned that device before.
20:03:40domonokystarnoble: the voice clips are pretty small, and i see no real error in this pastbin..
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20:03:50webguest23just trying to find help with my GPS
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20:04:06n1sstarnoble: do you get a "english.voice" file after that is finished? ang how big is it?
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20:05:50starnobleit's still building so not sure yet. But shouldn't the individual little clips be playable by something like Windows Media Player or not?
20:06:42gevaertsstarnoble: the little clips are expected to be speex, not mp3
20:06:46n1sstarnoble: no, they are raw speex so no player will like them
20:07:00kugelLambdaCalculus37: will you be brave?
20:07:28LambdaCalculus37kugel: I'm brave, all right... but I was curious as to what the patch does.
20:07:29n1sgevaerts: I think they are just (confusingly) named .mp3 even for swcodec...
20:07:44gevaertsn1s: interesting...
20:07:53kugelLambdaCalculus37: well, it should add some fading, I thought it was clear
20:07:57Hillshumhow long does a patching take?
20:08:10kugelsplitseconds
20:08:10starnobleoh ok. so it should be working alright
20:08:26LambdaCalculus37kugel: Sorry, I've been jumping between several open windows at once, so I may miss details.
20:08:36*Hillshum could have done it wrong
20:08:40n1sgevaerts: confirmed with a test, that should probably be changed :)
20:08:57n1sstarnoble: seems so
20:08:57kugelHillshum: You probably forgot the "<" in the command
20:09:19kugel"patch -pX < patch.diff"
20:09:19starnoblehow long is it supposed to make the build the voice? a long time?
20:09:45domonokystarnoble: it takes a bit, but not too long ..
20:10:09starnoblehmm what should I have put for the ram size? as much ram as I had?
20:10:46LloreanAnyone know why Playlist Catalog has a MAX_PLAYLISTS value instead of using something like the filebrowser's max files value?
20:11:26domonokystarnoble: for which device are you generating ?
20:11:33gevaertsstarnoble: that's probably irrelevant for voice
20:11:42Bagderit is
20:11:50Hillshumkugel: now how do i stop it?
20:11:56kugelctrl+c
20:12:07starnobleI'm generating for iPod Video 30 gb
20:12:25LambdaCalculus3732MB of RAM, then.
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20:12:50lol3izerit bugs me how much crappier the 32meg model is than the 64 meg models :(
20:12:55domonokyram shouldnt matter for voice generating..
20:13:42kugeldoes rockbox handly multiple artists?
20:13:55kugelhandle*
20:14:00starnoblenow when this is done, is there any particular order on the player I need to put my music, or can I just make whatever folders on the root of the drive and it will see it?
20:14:13*n1s has music by multiple artists playing in rockbox ;)
20:14:24kugel:)
20:14:25Bagdern1s: I'm now replacing the 3.0 source archive with one actually built from the 3.0 source tree...
20:14:33kugelI mean multiple artists per song
20:14:52Lloreankugel: I don't believe it does as of the last time i looked.
20:14:52n1sstarnoble: you are free to organize your music in any way you like
20:14:59n1sBagder: great :)
20:15:16domonokystarnoble: when its ready, put the resulting english.voice in the .rockbox/langs directory on your player, and it will speak your menus (if set to english)
20:15:36kugelLlorean: Ok, thanks. Judging from the database files created it doesn't look like as well
20:15:49domonokyto have all the files and folders spoken, you need to generate talkfiles (which is another seperate step).
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20:17:21nossracerhello
20:17:30nossracer??
20:17:38Lloreankugel: In some limited ways, I'm sure it could be managed. Since the database can handle "string contains" comparisons, it might be able to be modified to show multiple artist strings in the same category as any of their substrings, as well as their own category.
20:17:48LloreanThat would more or less cover its use for most people.
20:17:51BigBambinossracer: Just ask
20:17:59nossracerok
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20:18:09starnobleis there an easy way to generate the talk files?
20:18:13nossraceri am having problems with my themes
20:18:22nossraceractually my wps
20:18:29BigBambinossracer: Please put thoughts on one line
20:18:41nossracerok sorry
20:19:15nossraceri cant seem to get any of my wps's to work
20:20:00domonokystarnoble: rbutil ofcourse, and i think this voicebox+ script, but i dont know anything about this...
20:20:25nossracerfor a sansa e250r with rockbox v3
20:20:41BigBambinossracer: You still haven't given any details
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20:20:59Nimdaewow, i missed rockbox going v3
20:20:59Hillshumkugel: http://pastebin.com/f5d54cf12
20:20:59domonokynossracer: which themes ? perhaps they are outof date ?
20:21:01Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2008/09/29/not-based-on-linux/
20:21:12Bagderfor some podcast mentioning rockbox 3.0
20:21:16starnobleok if I were to use rbutility, can I just generate the talk files without doing everything else?
20:21:23Bagderin a confused way of course
20:21:43kugelLlorean: The first question would be for me: is this a tagcache issue, or would adapting the database browser be better
20:21:59NimdaeBagder: you wanting servers in your build farm?
20:22:11BagderNimdae: always!
20:22:16Nimdaei sent an email >.>
20:22:19domonokystarnoble: yes, thats a seperate option in rbutil (if you can manage to use it) :-)
20:22:29Nimdaebeer.nimdae.com should be set, probably needs svn update though
20:22:30kugelHillshum: You're taking the patch off the tracker?
20:22:39Hillshumyeah
20:22:39nossracerwell ajant orange, black auora, cabbiev2 none of the dockpod aqua's work
20:22:47starnoblecan you tell me how I get to that option in rbutil?
20:22:54kugelHillshum: it's not sync'd. I'd wait for a updated version
20:23:01Hillshum??
20:23:07kugelthe patch is out of date
20:23:17*Hillshum will get a new one
20:23:24kugelalso, the patch doesn't work for a fuze (if you have one)
20:23:38kugelredownloading the patch doesn't help. It must be updated
20:23:59Lloreankugel: I'm not sure, I *think* it would be a tagcache issue, with probably a new operator introduced for the browser.
20:25:09Hillshumtheres an updated patch
20:25:13kugelhm. The tagcache saves the artist field as one string (which is fine imho). I imagine the tagbrowser just needs to parse multiple artists strings
20:25:32nossracerany ideas from anyone?
20:26:03kugelHillshum: Oh, nevermind then
20:27:24BigBambinossracer: They are likely out of date - the syntax has changed
20:27:43*kugel eagerly awaits LambdaCalculus37's experience with my patch
20:27:58BigBambinossracer: see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17507.0
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20:28:19LambdaCalculus37kugel: I have the link saved, but I can't do anything right now at work.
20:28:31nossracerthank you bigbambi
20:28:33LambdaCalculus37kugel: Check the logs later, and I'll let you know how it works out.
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20:29:00Hillshumkugel: http://pastebin.com/f3fec5d5c
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20:30:30kugelHillshum: you're supposed to cd into the rockbox source dir and do "patch -p1 < bootloader.diff", as clearly stated on the tracker
20:31:08kugelwith having the diff in the same dir
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20:32:39kugelHillshum: what v2 do you have, and what do you want to do?
20:33:15Hillshume200, and apply a patch
20:33:41kugelI mean: What do you want to do with the patched.bin?
20:33:56Hillshumput it on my sansa
20:33:58Hillshumfor now
20:34:08kugelIf you only want to see the fancy led blinking, that's not really helpful
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20:34:31Hillshumbasically learn to patch the bootloaders to help in the future
20:34:51kugelwe need people who actually know what they are doing (and I doubt you do) and who do not just only repeat work already done before
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20:35:59BigBambiNo need to be rude
20:37:06kugelwell, he's free to prove the opposite
20:37:37BigBambiThat is irrelevant
20:37:54BigBambiYou shouldn't basically say you are an idiot until you prove to me that you aren't
20:37:54*Hillshum will compose a rebuttal
20:38:02nossracerhey is there a list of updated wps?
20:38:32nossracerfor those of us not able to program?
20:38:46LambdaCalculus37nossracer: Check the WPSGallery.
20:38:58nossracerwill do...again
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20:40:10kugelBigBambi: Can I call him daft? I assume it's ok, since that's what Llorean called me today (which was ok obviously)
20:40:26BigBambikugel: There really is no need to be childish
20:41:28linuxstbLlorean: Do you think the "Audio Playback and Playlists" forum should mention the database somewhere in its name or description? I'm assuming database questions belong there...
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20:42:19nossraceris there any way to increase the buffer size on my sansa e250r
20:42:19Lloreanlinuxstb: Sounds good. It'll be fixed in a minute.
20:42:46HillshumI want (and am willing to put in the time needed) to gain the skills needed to help. This is the beginning of that.
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20:43:05Lloreannossracer: Which buffer?
20:43:29nossracerummmm
20:43:38nossracerdangit if yuo hadnt asked me
20:43:57Lloreanlinuxstb: Alright, it's fixed.
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20:46:19nossracerhey look ive tried every theme on that gallery place and none of them wanna work
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20:46:30kugelHillshum: there's a good chance you render your player useless with the tools you're about to use. I recommend gaining the skills by doing something less risky.
20:46:44nossracerthe theme works but not the wps and thats what i want more than anything
20:47:00Lloreannossracer: Then the themes are broken.
20:47:04kugelHowever, I won't stop you, and any help is welcome. Also, the e200v2 in particular seems to be recoverable
20:47:07Hillshumkugel: i can debrick it if needed
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20:47:18Hillshumokay
20:47:22nossracerand there is no themes that are unbroken?
20:47:44Lloreannossracer: There are ones that work.
20:47:49LloreanFor example, the ones that come with Rockbox work.
20:47:58nossracernot on mine they dont
20:48:07Hillshum3.0?
20:48:12nossraceryup
20:48:17BigBambinossracer: I assure you, they do
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20:48:35BigBambinossracer: What is it that makes you think they don't work?
20:48:59LambdaCalculus37nossracer: I see plenty of themes on the WPS gallery that work.
20:49:04LambdaCalculus37This one, for example: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsSansaE200/amarok.zip
20:49:06nossraceron my wps all i get is the name of the song the elapsed time and thats it
20:49:22LambdaCalculus37Then you're probably not extracting the WPS properly.
20:49:44nossracerokay then
20:49:56nossracercan you inform me of the correct way?
20:50:10nossraceri cant find it nowhere
20:50:12Hillshumcheck the wilki/manual
20:51:34nossracerhello?
20:51:55Lloreannossracer: Have some patience.
20:52:10LloreanPeople are also doing other things, and not all of your questions will be answered instantly.
20:52:14kugelnossracer: it depends on what you find in the theme package. If it's a .rockbox folder, unzip it onto the root of the player and merge it with the existing .rockbox folder. If's more than 1 folder then unzip it into the .rockbox folder on your device
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20:52:39nossracerok thank you
20:53:01kugelmost themes have the .rockbox folder though
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21:17:41starnobleAnyone know how to change the voice that rbutil uses? It isn't using the voice I have set in control pannel.
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21:20:19Bliz1is there going to be development on 6th gen ipod classics?
21:20:34BagderBliz1: probably not
21:20:48Bliz1darn, i was able to get one for $250 for a 160gb
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21:22:08linuxstbBagder: Pessimist...
21:22:45Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, while it may happen, it's on a time scale that qualifies as "probably not" for most of the people who actually want it, because they'll have a new iPod by the time it does anyway.
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21:28:42LloreanAnyone have any experience with the accessory protocol patch?
21:28:54LloreanFor later generation supported iPods, that is.
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21:31:41amiconnBagder: What do I need to do if I need an additional gcc build patch for a certain host arch?
21:32:45amiconnThe patch wouldn't hurt on other host archs, because it only patches config/mh-interix (for gcc 4.1.2, i.e. mpis)
21:33:18Bagderchange the gccpatch variable into one with multiple strings, then make the rockboxdev.sh script loop through each entry
21:33:35Bagderand I can put the patch on the download server
21:33:49Bagderhm, they're not there, they're on www
21:34:04amiconnNah, I don't need multiple patches, but I need that patch on the correct server...
21:34:49Bagderyou can commit it to the www/gcc dir and I can update the web server
21:36:14Bagderor beam it over my way and I can do it
21:37:13amiconnI don't have the patch file ready yet
21:38:06Bagderchances are I will be around at a future time as well ;-)
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22:19:07confusedhi
22:19:17bertrikhi confused
22:19:32confusedi just got rockbox runing on my ipod but i need help with one thing
22:20:28bertrikI don't have an ipod, but just ask your question and someone else may be able to help
22:20:47confusedi need to know how to fit videos to my 1g ipod nano screen, can anyone help?
22:21:07scorche|shconfused: you might want to have a look at the PluginMpegplayer wiki page
22:21:23kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
22:21:50confusedok thanks i will check it out now
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22:25:07confusedk im at the wiki page and its talking about elephants dream video? is that what i download to adjust the video to fit my screen
22:26:13scorche|shthat is simply the test video
22:26:20scorche|shkeep reading the wiki page..
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22:34:08amiconnBagder: Patch is there now...
22:35:04Bagderand now it is on the site
22:35:26amiconnthx
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23:08:01confusedscorche i have read the wiki page and i VLC but i am having trouble fitting the video to my 1g ipod nano screen
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23:09:57scorche|shconfused: try and use winff
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23:17:23bmblargh... just put 1gig of FLAC on my v2 and wondered why it wasn't working -.-
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23:29:33bluebrotherBagder: I created an updated rbutil binary for windows fixing the SAPI issue. Can you move it to the dl server? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-1.0.7b.zip
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23:30:14Bagderdone!
23:30:27Bagderhm I'll name it like the others
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23:30:50Bagder(with a 'v' in there)
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23:31:23bluebrotherah, right. Missed that while zipping
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23:45:59dereinei want to install rockbox, which mp3 player should i buy?
23:46:22MarcGuaydereine: Wiki -> Buyer's Guide.
23:46:24lol3izer_gigabeat line is probly one of your best choices
23:46:45dereinethx
23:47:05gevaertsgigabeat == gigabeat F. Not just any gigabeat...
23:47:25MarcGuayIf someone named Splash comes around asking why I removed his info from the IpodAccessories wiki page, it's because he seems to have tested using soap's forum build. (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20080928#12:50:12)
23:47:52lol3izer_lol, no supported models are in production :(
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23:49:17lol3izer_also the iAudios arnt a bad choice
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23:49:50lol3izer_you get an fm recorder then
23:50:07gevaertslol3izer_: what?
23:50:13lol3izer_err
23:50:16lol3izer_fm radio
23:50:17lol3izer_:s
23:51:43gevaertsdereine: anyway, which player is best very much depends on what you want from it
23:52:05lol3izer_ipod 5.5 s are nice too
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23:52:31gevaertslol3izer_: why? Those are about the worst rockbox player I think
23:52:35lol3izer_gevaerts, why?
23:52:44lol3izer_they have the largest harddrives
23:52:46lol3izer_best screen
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23:52:58lol3izer_and battery life is FINALLY decent
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23:53:25dereinegevaerts: i would like to be able to buy it on amazon, but it seams to be impossible (a color display with 2GB) that would be all i nead
23:53:36gevaertslol3izer_: have a look at the gigabeat F then. 60GB disk, twice the battery life of the ipod, screen at least as good, less than half the price, ...
23:54:09lol3izer_twice, thats debatable
23:54:14gevaertsdereine: none of the current targets are avialable new
23:54:27dereinethats hard
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23:54:40dereinesuch a great project but...
23:55:32gevaertsporting takes time, and mp3 players have a pretty short lifespan
23:55:51Bagderand manufacturers don't make it easy
23:55:52Lloreanlol3izer_: iPod 5.5G is also the slowest of the software codec players in terms of raw performance, and is likely always to be.
23:57:00gevaertsdereine: do you want to watch videos? radio?
23:57:19dereineradio and ogg
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23:57:32dereinevideo is definitive not what i want
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23:58:17gevaertsok. I'd recommend either sansa c200 or e200 then. You need to make sure to get a v1 though

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