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#rockbox log for 2008-10-09

00:00:03bluebrotheryou can't see them in the virtual keyboard ;-)
00:00:21XavierGrbluebrother: ah lol, well you can count the presses :P
00:00:55bluebrothertrue, but users will be annoyed about that ;-)
00:01:14bluebrotherMaybe better make it a hidden setting :)
00:01:29Buschelsaratoga: will do, if i find the time. your results are quite interesting and promising :-)
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00:01:42Buschelbye for now and see you later
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00:03:09XavierGrbluebrother: will try to make it tomorrow, seems that way all will be pleased.
00:03:51n1sbluebrother, XavierGr imho hidden settings are not nice, I know we have some but i don't think we should add more
00:04:23XavierGrn1s: it can be done as a normal setting too
00:04:44bluebrothern1s: I agree. That comment wasn't meant completely serious
00:04:49XavierGrand I can't say I am in favour of hidden settings
00:04:57n1sI would prefer that (even though i will never use it)
00:05:37*bluebrother would like to see the inline settings things again A_M did ... like 2 years ago or so
00:07:27XavierGrn1s: my current scrolling problem is that I can't focus on the string, missing the start of it. In the end I can't read it when I don't look closely
00:08:01XavierGrHaving a padding in scrolling text (a recognisable pattern or simple space) enables me to recognize the end/start of the string more easily
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00:08:17n1sXavierGr: i don't have that problem as i use a pretty small font and short filenames
00:08:44XavierGrn1s: well obviously you don't use your player in a car and you don't listen to classical music :P
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00:08:55n1si'm not against it at all as i can see it being useful for some
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00:10:16n1svisually impaired users could perhaps benefit too, they are likely to use large fonts so keeping track of start/end will be harder and an easy to recognize pattern would seem practical
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00:12:10XavierGryup it turns out to be a good idea
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00:12:32n1sanyway, goodnight! :)
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00:13:35EternalRainsI'm having an idea for a WPS for my c250 using the silk ( http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/previews/index_abc.png [Warning 1MB file!]) icons. For the repeat a-b, do you think I should use one of the arrow_ images or derive something from them?
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00:15:59amiconnsaratoga (logs): Afaics the graphs just show that the cores consume a relatively small part of the total power consumption
00:16:11amiconnSleeping them when not in use is still a good thing
00:17:42amiconnXavierGr: I do use my player(s) in the car and I often do have rather long scrolling lines, yet I never had a problem with the scroll spacing...
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00:20:29amiconnsaratoga (logs): It would be interesting to do the same test but with wheel lights and audio codec disabled
00:20:52amiconnThat still leaves the RAM as a consumer though
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00:30:46*amiconn thinks it would be better to handle mono recording (and the new mode) in pcm instead of the encoders
00:31:08Waldo000000re: the scrolling, why not just have a few spaces, let's say...5? why does this need to be a setting? whose needs would 5 spaces not meet?
00:31:56amiconnWaldo000000: Atm it does just that (3 spaces)
00:33:24Waldo000000amiconn: ah. then a setting for the number of spaces would be my vote. don't see any need for any characters other than a space
00:34:27*amiconn doesn't see the need for the setting either, but a simple option might not be too bad
00:36:00Waldo000000"Spaces between scrolling names", default 3
00:36:21Waldo000000(imho)
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00:41:50XavierGrwell that's the problem, spaces are enough for me, but other people would want something else. If it is going to be a setting it wouldn't hurt more to make the user input his string. Binsize wise it should be almost the same
00:42:51sjekevening, was on a few days ago. Installed rockbox (latest build) on a 1stgen nano, left it on to charge and it became irresponsive an hour later. No backlight, not recognised by computer, wont boot at all. Tried menu+select for 120s, no response. It was suggested that it was a problem with the battery running too low and I should leave it to charge. It's been charging (from a powered usb hub) for 48 hours, still unresponsive, me
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01:07:17Waldo000000XavierGr: who are these "other people"?
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01:27:47soapBagder, why does my build server appear to always have a "total time" of about half the other servers? I feel as if I'm slacking. ;)
01:33:20XavierGrWaldo00000: fml said he wanted "+++" because winamp does it, also bluebrother said something similar (and later had the idea of custom padding string)
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01:36:18Waldo000001XavierGr: i see. sounds like overkill to me, imho. and i would have thought "+++" would not make it much easier to read. just my two cents
01:37:34XavierGrI've already written code for pixel width setting, so adapting it to a custom string shouldn't be so difficult.
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01:38:49Waldo000001yeah. no worries :)
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01:56:30MndFlayrI want to buy a new mp3-player. Since rockbox does not (officially) support any player currently on sale, I wonder which one is most likely to get supported.
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01:56:53MndFlayrI am currently considering one of the following: sansa e200 v2, cowon d2, creative zen x-fi
01:57:53MndFlayrat the moment the d2 seems the best choice, as it is able to play ogg's even without rockbox. Also it seems that its rockbox-port seems to be the most progressed of the three.
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02:01:43MndFlayrIs there any chance of a working zen or e200v2-port in the near future?
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08:35:41amiconnB4gder: I am wondering about my build server. The stats show that it usually does 2 builds. However, /home/rbclient only contains one build-* directory that was touched recently. The others were last touched months ago
08:38:05amiconnAlso, there aren't as many build-* directories as I would expect given how long this server is already part of the build system
08:39:10amiconnHmm, does the build system usually remove the build-* directories, and it's just that this didn't work a few times?
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08:43:37*amiconn found the buildmaster log says so
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08:47:42B4gderyes, it removes the build dir
08:49:28amiconnSo that sometimes doesn't work
08:50:06B4gderyeah
08:50:13B4gderobviously
08:50:25B4gderI wonder if those are just connection problems
08:50:59B4gderon my server, there's only one left after April
08:51:26amiconnMy last one was from 7 Oct. The others were from April (most even from 2007)
08:51:36amiconnI've cleaned them now
08:51:37B4gderOct 7 on mine too
08:52:23amiconn22:30-ish. Maybe that happens when the master hangs and the build is restarted?
08:52:36B4gderyes seems like it might be that
08:52:52B4gderaround 22:30 for me too
08:53:13B4gderoh and yes that's why
08:53:52B4gderthe restart is done by the build master script just doing exit, so it won't even try to cleanup remainders
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09:40:17Waldo000000i'm playing an mpeg movie on my m:robe100 using mpegplayer, but it is not automatically resized to fit, i.e. only the top left corner of the clip is visible on screen. i'm assuming mpegplayer does not automatically resize videos? is there any information or automated way to prepare mpeg clips for playing using mpegplayer?
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09:40:46B4gderWaldo000000: see the wiki page for the mpeg player plugin
09:41:19Waldo000000B4gder: yep sorry, there now. should have known, cheers
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09:59:59alpineSponseehey!
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10:00:20alpineSponseei have an awesome question....that i cant seem to find an answer for anywhere...
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10:00:52alpineSponseecan anyone help me out with it?
10:00:59scorchenot if you dont ask it...
10:01:26alpineSponseeoh...ok, just makin sure people were in here...i have an alpine head unit in my car tha has a direct iPod connection...
10:01:40alpineSponseeand its made to search whatever you plug into it for music...
10:01:47BigBambialpineSponsee: please just ask next time
10:02:16alpineSponseeso i cna plug an external harddrive in it...and it will find the music on the external display and play it, etc...if i rockbox...can i play FLAC in my car?
10:02:23alpineSponsee...this may sound confusing...
10:02:43B4gderif it plays from an external harddrive, then how would rockbox affect it?
10:02:49BigBambiOnly if your head unit plays FLAC
10:03:00BigBambiThe ipod is just acting like a hard drive at this point
10:03:23BigBambiIf you have an aux in, the yes, Rockbox will help
10:04:43alpineSponseeyeah, im pretty sure it just uses the ipod as a hdd to find mp3s....so i can only play mp3s than right?
10:04:50alpineSponseethat sucks....i really wanna play flac
10:04:51alpineSponseegrr
10:05:21alpineSponseecan anyone reccomend the best conversion to covert FLAC to to get the quality (best mp3 conversion)
10:05:21BigBambiYou can only do whatever your headunit can do
10:05:35BigBambiMP3 to FLAC will never be better than the MP3
10:05:45alpineSponseei meant FLAC to mp3
10:05:50BigBambiYou cqn't make the bits you threw away when converting to MP3 come back
10:06:06BigBambialpineSponsee: LAME, but this is off topic now
10:06:22alpineSponseeno, i have a library of FLAC files....
10:06:30alpineSponseeand its not like anyone else is really talking...
10:06:37alpineSponseeim jsut lookin for audio help
10:06:37BigBambiirrelevent
10:06:38alpineSponseesorry
10:06:41alpineSponseejerk
10:07:07BigBambiThis is a logged support and development channel. People read the logs, which we don't want to be full of non-relevant stuff
10:07:08advcomp2019alpineSponsee, please read the guidelines please
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10:08:19BigBambiI wonder if he thought I was calling him LAME, not saying use LAME the encoder :)
10:08:37scorcheBigBambi: tis what i thought
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10:34:28Zagorall harddrives support look-ahead. no flash cards do.
10:34:44Zagor(of those in the list)
10:35:22Zagorword 82, bit 6
10:36:40Waldo000000am i right in understanding that the definitions in pluginlib_actions.h (PLA_UP, PLA_DOWN, etc) be used in new plugins rather than BUTTON_*, where possible?
10:37:03ZagorWaldo000000: if suitable
10:37:09Waldo000000and that's to encourage consistency between plugins?
10:37:26Waldo000000Zagor: can you give an example where that wouldn't be suitable?
10:37:52BigBambiWaldo000000: ask pixelma about problems in the plugin button library
10:38:08ZagorWaldo000000: some plugins are so complex they cannot use the same button mapping for all targets. targets differ very much in their button sets.
10:38:13BigBambiI know she has encountered some and should be able to give good examples
10:39:16pixelmahuh, I could only give examples where that PLA system does not work
10:39:33BigBambiThat's what I meant
10:39:45pixelmavery few plugins are suitable for this in my opinion
10:41:41pixelmatry metronome on c200/Ondio/Player - it is not fully controllable and with the combining of PLA contexts and the definitions hidden away in another file it is even hard to find out what happens (and what not)
10:41:44Waldo000000so....are you saying that pluginlib_actions.c essentially has errors (or omissions)? If it had no errors, then you could safely use the PLA_* as defined in pluginlib_actions.h - right?
10:43:39Waldo000000pixelma: can't you just search for "SANSA_C200_PAD" in the .c file, to find the 17 or so definitions for the PLA_* names?
10:43:44pixelmaas Zagor said, this simplification seems to not be working in real life and leads to - not working correctly things and obfuscation are button maps that are not as good (intuitive) as could be because this system does not allow this
10:44:14pixelmaor changes to it would break another plugin
10:45:26Waldo000000pixelma: do you think this is because some details in pluginlib_actions.c need to be adjusted, or that there is a problem with the approach to begin with? if the latter, what do you think is a better approach?
10:46:34pixelmaWaldo000000: sure but this does not simply explain why things are not working because the same button is mapped to different actions, used in different contexts and people started combining contexts (in the plugin) and this gives problems
10:47:44pixelmaI think that approach doesn't work for most plugins, only a few - and if it is used people should not use more than one context
10:49:18pixelmathe plugins with different control schemes and players with different placement of buttons and technical limitations are just too many for such a generic approch (in my eyes)
10:50:08Waldo000000"more than one context"? sorry, i'm just starting out with plugins here, reading HowtoVerifyPlugins, which suggests using PLA - how do you suggest i approach the issue of button mapping, as a first time plugin developer?
10:51:09pixelmaI would not use PLA unless the plugin has a simple left/right/up/down/select control scheme
10:51:47pixelmaotherwise define button mappings in the plugin itself
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10:52:47linuxstbI think even that can break on targets with wheels - i.e. when do you use the wheel for directional movement, and when not?
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10:54:39pixelmawell, just use PLA when you want to use the buttons for directional movement then... ;) something like this was discussed at the developers conference
10:54:40Waldo000000pixelma: and by "define button mappings in the plugin itself", you mean, for each target (with a bunch of if CONFIG_KEYPAD == ...) with #define DO_SOMETHING BUTTON_*, right?
10:55:28pixelmayes, mainly
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10:57:16Waldo000000interesting. so, given that i have an mr100 (only), if i was to write a plugin, i would have to "guess" the appropriate button mappings for other targets, for example by looking at other plugin's code, or relying on others to fill it in
10:57:23pixelmalinuxstb: the wheel for directional movement problem is even bigger - sometimes the wheel might be suited better for left/right (e.g. in Bubbles) sometimes better for up/down
10:57:52linuxstbpixelma: Exactly.
10:58:47BigBambiWaldo000000: You can look in the manual for layout etc
10:59:20Waldo000000BigBambi: k, thanks.
10:59:26Waldo000000thanks all, interesting. see yas later
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10:59:30pixelmaWaldo000000: currently yes, but with PLA it's not given that you will get a better solution - it could be that the controls aren't working (at least partially) or are really awkward
10:59:35pixelmameh
10:59:43Zagorthat was quick...
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11:01:15pixelmaan idea was to set up a wiki page which explains buttons on different targets (e.g. also electrical or mechanical limitations) and the different screens too
11:01:55pixelmaof course that'll need some time to do it :)
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11:08:11Zagorpixelma: I like that idea
11:10:20linuxstbpixelma: Does the manual include text describing the button layout of a device and how they are generally used in Rockbox? Maybe something could be automated from there.
11:13:13pixelmathere are the players' SVGs which label the buttons and the description for the blind. I don't think there is an explanation about how they are used generally and no description of restrictions (things like no button combos except with "Power", so pretty useless, on the X5/M5 pad etc.)
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12:01:25mcuelenaereB4gder: would it be possible to run the plugin API documentation generator on the server every time docs/PLUGIN_API.new gets updated?
12:01:39B4gdersure
12:01:46mcuelenaerecool
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12:11:36pixelmamcuelenaere: when I skimmed the site you linked from the tracker entry I noticed that there was no HAVE_BACKLIGHT in the backlight related part, is there now or did I overlook it?
12:12:03pixelmano mention of it, I mean
12:12:40mcuelenaerehmm still none it seems
12:12:44mcuelenaereprobably a bug
12:13:31mcuelenaereah no there isn't any mentioning of it in plugin.h
12:13:37mcuelenaereso that's why there's none
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12:21:09pixelmadoes that mean that a few things could be included in stock Ondio builds that don't necessarily have to be there?
12:21:31pixelmas/could/are
12:21:42mcuelenaereperhaps, but they are just pointers so they don't take much binsize
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12:49:05JdGordondoes anyone have any objections to 9460? (voulem button tag for the wps)?
12:49:11*JdGordon wants to commit it tonight
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13:03:15Dementioanyone know how i can find out what specifically "DEV_RS = 0x3ffdfef8" means?
13:04:19*B4gder finds it amusing that the C64 plugin author's primary concern seems to the keyboard, not emulating C64
13:04:32Dementiolol
13:04:35LinusNB4gder: my reaction too
13:04:48Dementioit may not work, but at least you can type
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13:05:51ZagorDementio: those registers are undocumented
13:06:02Dementiodamn
13:06:23Zagorthat's the boring thing with working on the ipods
13:06:40Dementiomore like aggrivating
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13:08:37Dementiocause i really can't think of any way to test other values other than randomly changing it
13:11:21ZagorDementio: well others have experimented a lot before, and may provide some clues. bushel for example experimented a lot when trying to increase battery life. I don't know how much he wrote down what he found.
13:12:13Dementioi'm just trying to get it so that the battery life is still good, but doesn't lock up on some cards
13:14:37amiconnpixelma, mcuelenaere: The backlight functions are included on purpose in stock Ondio builds. The actual functions are empty
13:15:12amiconnThis is to ensure api compatibility between stock Ondio builds and backlight-mod Ondio builds
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13:18:15ZagorDementio: see firmware/export/pp5020.h, around line 140.
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13:19:51Dementiok
13:20:07Dementionow i just have to find out what "(*(volatile unsigned long *)(0x60006004))" ,eams
13:20:10Dementiolol
13:20:19Dementio*means
13:20:40B4gderthat means it'll write to that address
13:20:44ZagorDementio: it's just where in memory that register is.
13:20:50Dementioah
13:21:05Dementiook, now for the easy part
13:21:07Dementiolearning C
13:21:08Dementiolol
13:21:55Zagorthose bitmasks below show what each bit of those registers control
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14:03:56mikem`hi, trying to install rockbox on linux using the RoxBox Utility... but get an error "Could not open Ipod in RW mode". i probably need to mount it a certain way?
14:04:13JdGordonor run as root
14:05:13mikem`JdGordon: that's scary
14:05:16mikem`but it works :)
14:05:18mikem`thanks
14:05:42BigBambiIt needs raw access to the disk to install the bootloader
14:12:37n1sdionoea: any reason to not commit FS #9209 ?
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14:29:34mcuelenaereB4gder: could you trigger utils/rockbox_api/gen_html.php every time docs/PLUGIN_API.new is updated?
14:29:48mcuelenaereand trigger utils/rockbox_api/update.php every time apps/plugin.h gets updated?
14:29:59B4gderI'll just rerun it daily
14:30:02mcuelenaereor perhaps that last one not, as that needs committing
14:30:17mcuelenaereah ok, even better
14:30:24mcuelenaerewhere will you place the output?
14:30:38B4gdernot sure atm, I'll have a go at it tonight I think
14:30:56mcuelenaereok thanks
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14:46:41robin0800tried to set up a build enviroment and the error is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/55618/ note this is kubuntu 10 which is beta
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14:53:10GodEater10?
14:53:19GodEaterdoes that mean Intrepid ?
14:53:25BigBambiI take it a) you are asking for help and b) you mean 8.10
14:55:46robin0800GodEater: yes intrepid
14:56:16BigBambiIt really is helpful to use the actual version numbers for things
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14:56:38robin0800BigBambi: sorry
14:57:25BigBambiYou might also get more responses if you actually asked for help, and didn't just say "This doesn't work" People have to want to help you know :)
14:57:51GodEaterrobin0800: also, 32 or 64bit ?
14:58:15GodEateror some other arch completely ?
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15:00:03robin0800BigBambi: I realy like 8.10 but cannot build the development enviroment - its 32 bit hp latop compaq nc 6000
15:00:45markunBigBambi: and when someone asks for help we tell them "you don't have to ask, just post your problem and someone will eventually help: ;)
15:01:21Zagorrobin0800: Ubuntu has switched their default CPP flags to include -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, which seems to be the cause of this
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15:01:32GodEaterrobin0800: which target architecture are you building there ?
15:01:42BigBambimarkun: I know - I didn't ask him to ask, I just pointed out that his original way of putting it was rather abrupt and may not dispose people to help
15:01:53*GodEater guesses arm, but wants to make sure
15:01:58robin0800BigBambi: This works on 8.04 but not 8.10
15:02:22BigBambirobin0800: Looks like Zagor has a likly candidate
15:02:28Zagorrobin0800: yes, -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 was enabled in 8.10
15:03:08markunZagor: is this a bug in the GCC code?
15:03:27robin0800GodEater: yes arm
15:03:56Zagormarkun: I think so yes
15:04:39Zagorcreat() is called without mode argument
15:04:52markunso I guess we'll have to add another patch..
15:05:15markununless we can switch to a newer version of GCC where this is fixed but which doesn't produce slower code.
15:05:35GodEaterrobin0800: in the meantime, I suspect "CPPFLAGS=-U_FORTIFY_SOURCE ./rockboxdev.sh" might help
15:06:13Zagorrobin0800: yes, please try GodEater's suggestion first
15:07:20robin0800Zagor: will do it
15:07:35*GodEater is also trying it to make sure
15:07:47GodEaterlucky I'm also on Intrepid ;)
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15:09:13GodEaterZagor: if it works, does it hurt to include that flag in rockboxdev.sh by default ?
15:10:18ZagorGodEater: I doubt it. afaik it's normally disabled and that has worked quite a while...
15:10:26GodEatercool
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15:10:30GodEaterwill be a nice easy fix then if it works
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15:13:26robin0800Zagor: its running now, note its seems slower on 8.10 than 8.04, will let you know when it finishes
15:17:29GodEaterwho cares if it's slower or not ?
15:17:36GodEateras long as you end up with a build environment
15:18:13GodEaterhow did you manage to go from Hardy to Intrepid and break the environment you had already anyway ?
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15:20:46robin0800GodEater: i didn't it's a clean install
15:21:01GodEateroh
15:21:05GodEaterwhy did you do that ?
15:21:16pondlifeHello all.
15:21:27Zagorhi
15:21:50pondlifeIn an attempt to save some binsize, I made some enum fields into unsigned chars, rather than ints.
15:22:06pondlifehttp://www.pastebin.ca/1223692
15:22:17pondlifeSadly this appears to make the bin bigger
15:22:24pondlifeAnyone able to educate me?
15:22:45Zagorpondlife: which target?
15:22:47pondlifeH300
15:23:14pondlifeIt shrinks the RAM total (in rockbox-info.txt), but grows the binary.
15:23:30GodEaterthat's clever of you
15:23:46robin0800GodEater: because at present I'm only slowly getting into linux and have nothig important that needs to be kept on this laptop
15:24:11GodEaterupgrading from one distro version to another is an important thing to learn ;)
15:24:18pondlifeMe? Clever? Never.
15:24:27GodEaterand ideally attempted when you have nothing important ;)
15:24:33n1spondlife: iirc that's because loading/storing a char requires more code (not sure what exactly, perhaps a whole work load plus mask)
15:24:34GodEaterpondlife: you hide it well ;)
15:24:39Zagorwild speculation: some cpus don't have 8/16-bit access functions and instead solves such operations with 32-bit access and bitmasking.
15:24:52n1ss/work/word/
15:25:01ZagorI've worked on some arms like that. don't know how the core in h300 is though
15:25:05pondlifeThat would make sense... so no amount of casting could help.
15:25:36GodEaterpondlife: is the binsize on the H300 troubling you that much ?
15:25:47pondlifeNo, but every bit helps
15:25:56GodEaterhelps to do what ?
15:26:03pondlifeSave battery, ultimately
15:26:15pondlifeOr make more room for nice features
15:26:28GodEaterwhich you can complain about the binsize price for? :)
15:26:42pondlifeNot if I like the feature ;)
15:27:02*GodEater tries to remember the last feature that pondlife liked
15:27:07n1spondlife: also in a struct, gcc will align the char to int size because it is between two ints so you save 3 bytes but add 3 bytes of padding there
15:28:13*pondlife remembers liking metadata-on-buffer...
15:28:28*n1s sees now that one of the struct vars is a pointer so it does of course not apply there
15:28:47pondlifeIndeed. But maybe some of the others could be smaller.
15:28:51*GodEater remembers pondlife not liking all the initial bugs with it though ;)
15:29:19n1sbtw I managed to save several kB's of ram in some wps structs by storing enums in chars a while ago so it can definitely be worth it
15:29:23pondlifehehe, no.. I miss them and occastionally run old revs just for nostagia's sake.
15:29:30*Zagor subtly suggests pondlife could spend his efforts on more useful things :)
15:29:31GodEaterhahahaha
15:30:53pondlifeZagor: No worries - I've learnt something
15:31:09*pondlife svn reverts
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15:35:05Dementioanyone use the wikipedia patch?
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15:35:48robin0800Zagor: yes that fixes it happy days
15:36:07*GodEater suggests a patch to rockboxdev.sh is in order then
15:37:03Zagoreither that or another gcc patch :)
15:38:38GodEaterfwiw, you get build warnings on a standard rockbox build too, I suspect because of the same issue
15:39:04ZagorI'd say a gcc patch is the better option then
15:41:04GodEaterthat wouldn't apply to the host's gcc though
15:41:11robin0800GodEater: its making now there are a few warnings of fwrite and fread at the begining
15:41:34GodEateryes, on building the rdfbinary etc.
15:41:42GodEaterwhich are built with the host's gcc
15:41:46GodEaternot the arm one
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15:45:34robin0800GodEater: will a patch to rockboxdev.sh fix the warnings?
15:46:30GodEaterno
15:46:40GodEaterthat would require a patch to our configure script too
15:48:04robin0800GodEater: don't think I've seen those warnings before
15:49:58GodEaterthat's because they weren't there till you upgraded to Intrepid
15:51:40robin0800GodEater: great another intrepid error
15:52:06n1samiconn: any chance you could test bootloaders for ipod 1g and 2g in FS #9369 ? (at the very bottom)
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15:55:04n1sany nano, mini1g, 3g or 4g users who could test too? Or if someone else is around with 1g or 2g
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16:34:55dionoean1s: if that's the wps tag patch ... not that I know. I can commit if it you want
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16:53:08n1sdionoea: no, the md5 interruption patch
16:53:34dionoeaah, I didn't know about that one. Let me check
16:54:31dionoeaI'll apply it
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17:09:18GodEaterNico_P: did you ever get anywhere with #8499 ?
17:09:26*GodEater is trying to make it work, and failing
17:09:47dionoean1s: done
17:09:53dionoeaGodEater: You pinged me 3 days ago
17:09:57Nico_PGodEater: it was quite a long time ago
17:10:17Nico_P(even before my comments on the task)
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17:10:38GodEaterNico_P: I know - but I just thought I'd check
17:10:48GodEaterdionoea: it was re: a conversation we were having in -community
17:10:50Nico_PI haven't tried agaon since
17:11:10GodEaterabout an iphone hacker who's "released" a version of vlc for the iphone under questionable licensing terms
17:11:17dionoeaGodEater: ah ok, markun just asked me about it :)
17:11:20GodEaterNico_P: it's a bit painful
17:11:59GodEaterI'm currently stuck with this : ../apps/metadata/metadata_common.c:110: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘(’ token
17:12:13GodEaterwhich I just plain don't understand, given the line in question
17:12:56dionoeaanyone against applying FS #9368?
17:14:03n1sdionoea: great :)
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17:19:54n1sSo does anyone have any thoughts on updating the bootloaders, i tried to do just the ones for the ipods in one go but even those seem hard to get tested so i have come up with a few options: 1) Put the whole ipod bunch on the download site even if they are untested on some models 2) Put only the tested ones up, more work for Bagder and more of a mess of old/new versions 3) Give up and keep directing users with cf cards to unofficial bootloaders posted
17:19:55n1sin wiki/forums/tracker 4) Wait for the next devcon (should be one in 'west' soon, right)?
17:22:05pixelmano DevConWest this year, not enough interest I think
17:23:06n1sah, too bad :/
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17:24:20n1sLlorean: could you test a new bootloader on your nano?
17:26:18n1sRockboxTesting isn't very helpful since most of the people listed are not/have never been around much in #rockbox
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17:27:00LambdaCalculus37n1s: Ooh, that reminds me!
17:27:09*LambdaCalculus37 goes to get his iPod color
17:27:52n1sLambdaCalculus37: good to hear, color was tested by one guy but more does of course not hurt :)
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17:29:42LambdaCalculus37n1s: I also got my 2G iPod out as well.
17:29:53n1snow that is good news :)
17:30:15LambdaCalculus37What's the FS# again?
17:30:20n1s9369
17:31:41LambdaCalculus37Downloading now
17:31:42LambdaCalculus37.
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17:33:08LambdaCalculus37n1s: Success. :)
17:33:18n1sgreat!
17:33:33LambdaCalculus37Now for the 2G iPod.
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17:41:10LambdaCalculus37n1s: The bootloader installed successfully; now I have to put my iPod back together.
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17:55:24LambdaCalculus37n1s: 2G iPod is happily booting with the new bootloader.
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18:04:06n1sLambdaCalculus37: great! thanks for testing :)
18:05:39n1sso if we now extrapolate the results and say that 1g is similar to 2g and 4g is similar to color and nano is similar to video and 3g is somewhere between 2g and color and mini1g is basically a mini2g we are covered :)
18:06:37n1sSo unless someone objects I suggest we put these up for download soon
18:10:18LambdaCalculus37n1s: iPod 4G includes both the greyscale and color.
18:11:29n1sLambdaCalculus37: i thought '4g' usually referred to the greyscale version and photo/color to the other one, anyways the color one was tested
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18:51:37alleleis C# closer to C or C++?
18:52:59*gevaerts looks at the topic to make sure it's still the same
18:53:04n1sallele: what does that have to do with rockbox?
18:53:40allelewell rockbox is coded in C and I'm looking at an algorithm in C# I was hoping to implement in a rockbox plugin
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19:00:56alleleof course the A* algorithm looks like it would be a little too intense for the platforms rockbox runs on
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19:19:55Musume1-2Hello rockboxworld
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19:20:29bertrikhey Musume1-2
19:21:13Musume1-2quick question about the bootloader on a nano.... anyone gotten a failed attempt when trying to install a bootloader?
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19:23:27pixelmawhich generation of Nano? What is the exact error message?
19:23:29bertrikI don't know much about ipods. Is your ipod mentioned on the rockbox frontpage as capable of running rockbox?
19:23:54Musume1-2well it has it listed with the picture on it
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19:24:53gevaertsWhat sort of error do you get?
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19:25:30Musume1-2failed to install bootloader
19:26:10BigBambiare you running with admin rights?
19:26:22Musume1-2yes
19:27:01BigBambiAnd you are using what OS? And are you using rbutil?
19:27:25Musume1-2I'm running Xp and yes I'm using Rbutil
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19:29:20BigBambiAnd the actual install went OK?
19:29:48gevaertsWhich colour is your ipod?
19:30:10domonokyMusume1-2: you could to install the bootloader with ipodpatcher, perhaps this gives a better error message, why it failed ..
19:30:15Musume1-2is a black 4gb with picture capabilities
19:30:57Musume1-2hm.. lemme try it
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19:32:06domonokyMusume1-2: does the original firmware run ok ? have you modified the ipod before (like installed ipodlinux ? )
19:32:48amiconnn1s: Bootloader works on the G1 as well
19:33:05n1samiconn: great, thanks!
19:33:15Musume1-2nope... no modifications... just original firmware..and it works fine
19:33:16amiconnThere's the problem on G1..G3 that the contrast is wrong in the OF, because of our LCD setup
19:33:34amiconnNeed to think about a nice solution for this
19:33:44n1sah
19:34:07amiconnWe set up the LCD differently in order to get better level stability and less crosstalk
19:34:44n1smaybe we could avoid touching the lcd setup if booting the OF?
19:35:08amiconnEither that, or restoring the original setup
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19:35:31amiconnThe LCD config registers of the greyscale ipods can be read back, except on the mini G2
19:35:38n1sdo you think it is necessary to test the remaining ipods? (3g, 4g gray, mini1g, nano)?
19:36:06amiconnWould be good. Finding a Nano tester shouldn't be difficult imho...
19:36:09amiconnLlorean?
19:36:31Musume1-2did someone say test? >.<
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19:37:57Musume1-2for a while I wondered if the version of the firmware on the ipod ... had anything to do with failing to install the bootloader
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19:38:54gevaertsMusume1-2: try installing it using ipodpatcher as domonoky suggested. That should give more useful error messages at least
19:39:27Musume1-2i'm looking for that prog as we speak
19:39:39gevaertsThe manual should have a link
19:39:55Musume1-2ah.. the manual
19:40:21Musume1-2I downloaded that.. but I usually dont read manuals too much
19:40:46Musume1-2I shall take a peek... Thnx... Gevaerts
19:40:48bertrikare we sure yet your ipod support rockbox at all? what generation of nano do you have?
19:41:09Musume1-2according to what I saw.. its 2nd gen
19:41:27Musume1-2from what I read on the net
19:42:48bertrikaccording to the rockbox frontpage nano 2nd gen does not work with rockbox
19:43:51pixelmaare there 2nd generation Nanos that come in black? Is the case all metal or does it have a plastic front?
19:44:51pixelmathe second question was to Musume1-2...
19:47:08LambdaCalculus37pixelma: Yes, there are. The 2nd gen nanos with 8GB come in black.
19:47:11Musume1-2its metal in the back and plastic front
19:48:36Musume1-2you're right I oversaw the "not" part on the front page
19:48:46pixelmathen it should be a 1st generation Nano which could runRockbox
19:49:45Musume1-2it would be cool if Mp4 style devices could be flashed..
19:49:49Musume1-2too
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19:50:03LambdaCalculus37musumel-2: Is your nano tall and thin, or short and square?
19:50:11Musume1-2tall and thin
19:50:19LambdaCalculus371st gen nano, then.
19:52:28Musume1-2anyone know about flashing one of those chinese mp4 players??
19:52:49Musume1-2I know they are not the best.. but I bet they could be improved too
19:55:12n1sMusume1-2: you don't just "flash" something with rockbox, it needs to be ported first and that's a lot of work
19:55:45Musume1-2I know...
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19:56:53Musume1-2what I meant is... just improving the rom itself not necessarly rockbox.... I know coding something from scratch can take a long long time...
19:57:16gevaertsIf it's not rockbox, it's off-topic here
19:57:46Musume1-2I figured I'd ask ... but np i prefer my ipod anyday
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19:59:14sylfrHi
19:59:46Musume1-2but now that u mention it.. I wonder how much of rockbox could be implemented to one of those players..... maybe the rom size is small, but probably do-able
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20:01:03sylfrI have two problems with Rockbox. Someone would be able to help me ?
20:01:17*gevaerts grabs a nearby crystal ball
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20:01:26Musume1-2porting rockbox... would be feasable...
20:01:57n1ssylfr: maybe if you state your problems :)
20:02:06sylfrYes !
20:02:30gevaertsMusume1-2: whether or not porting rockbox to a device is feasible depends on the exact device. "chinese mp4 players" is very vague, so nobody can say anything useful about it
20:02:33Musume1-2 >.< I wish I knew how to code ..
20:02:57sylfrMy first problem : when I add just one track, or a few tracks, on my iPod, how I can do to add them to my library without scan the whole files again ?
20:03:00Musume1-2yes I figured that much gevaerts
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20:03:53SlasheriMusume1-2: it's much easier to write something from scratch than to improved closed source software
20:04:01Slasheri*improve
20:04:12n1ssylfr: just update the database, it's there in the menu, check the manual if you can't find it
20:04:50Musume1-2I'll take your word for it since I dont know about coding, but I was just throwing ideas around....
20:05:22sylfrn1s: yes, but if I do that, my stats are erased (eg my ratings on songs)
20:05:52sylfrn1s: and it spend much of time
20:06:11n1ssylfr: are you sure you are not selecting "Initialize database"?
20:06:35sylfrI tried both.
20:06:44sylfrn1s: I'm gonna try again to be sure.
20:07:05n1sif you Initialize the whole database will be recreated and your ratins lost, just do an update
20:07:31n1summ insert a comma somewhere there
20:07:51sylfrn1s: It's the fourth option ? It's even very long and use a lot of battery
20:08:25sylfrn1s: There is no way to use "Files and Folders" section to select a track and then add it in the database ?
20:08:54n1syes, it's the one called "Update now", don't use "Initialize now" as it will wipe the database and recreate it
20:09:17n1ssylfr: no there isn't, however try enabling dircache if you haven'
20:09:21n1st already
20:09:57sylfrn1s: OK, i'm gonna do that now if there is not a better solution.
20:09:59n1sgeneral settings->system->disk->directory cache->yes
20:11:03sylfrn1s:OK
20:11:16sylfrn1s: And doesn't it use a lot of battery ?
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20:12:18n1ssylfr: it uses quite a bit of ram so rockbox has to rebuffer more often but if you update the database very often it makes that use a bit less battery and quite a bit faster
20:12:31sylfrn1s: OK, thanks
20:12:45sylfrThis problem was solved.
20:12:50sylfrANd now, my second problem
20:13:03sylfrIs there an anti-aliased font for rockbox ?
20:13:10n1sno
20:13:17sylfrOK
20:13:22sylfrProblem solved
20:13:24sylfr:D
20:13:35sylfrAnd, I have another question.
20:14:21sylfrRockbox allows to use a voice recorder, plugging it in the earphones, isn't it ?
20:15:28amiconnBagder: around?
20:16:01n1ssylfr: i'm not sure what you mean, yes rockbox supports recording from the headphone jack on some ipods
20:16:27Musume1-2btw fellas... ipodpatcher worked like a charm
20:16:43sylfrn1s: Yes, it was what i meant (i am french, so my english may not be perfect, sorry)
20:17:21sylfrAnd, i wondered : is there a way to listen to the radio with rockbox on a iPod ?
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20:18:27gevaertssylfr: rockbox supports the radio on all supported players that have one built-in
20:19:05*gevaerts reads the last three words of the question now
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20:19:15gevaertsUnfortunately, the ipod isn't one of them
20:19:17sylfrgevaerts: OK. But I have an iPod, that haves not one built-in.
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20:19:46sylfrgevaerts: Yes. And there is no any tool that would make it possible ?
20:20:15gevaertsYou mean with one of the external radios? Maybe, in the future, if someone does the work
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20:21:15sylfrOK
20:21:22sylfrThank you !
20:21:28sylfrBye !
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20:21:45LambdaCalculus37Wrong channel. :P
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20:26:40Musume1-2huh
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20:27:07fearbeforeubuntuanyone know how to install on 6th gen?
20:27:44fearbeforeubuntu?
20:27:48gevaertsThe one that the front page says isn't supported?
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20:28:00Musume1-2bootloader is working fine... but when loading rockbox it said.. Can't load rockbox.ipod file not found error
20:28:18fearbeforeubuntuwell that answers my question
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20:30:25Musume1-2sounds like I need to copy the file manually from what it reads
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20:33:06ZambeziStupid question. I accidently opened a picture on my iPod Mini, how can I reverse (step back)? I'm going to leave within five minutes and want to bring my music along.
20:33:46ZambeziI fixed mine today so I'll upgrade Rockbox too when I'm back.
20:34:06gevaertsMusume1-2: I guess you didn't install rockbox itself yet. Restart rbutil, select the second tab (Installation), and run the non-bootloader install
20:34:21Musume1-2I did install
20:34:29Musume1-2but I'll restart it.. I didn't do that
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20:41:50Musume1-2I must be doing something wrong
20:42:09Musume1-2I did install rockbox and its still saying file not found
20:42:47domonokyMusume1-2: make sure there is a ".rockbox" directory on your ipod and an rockbox.ipod file in it...
20:42:50Musume1-2when trying to load rockbox
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20:44:43Musume1-2I"m copying the folder
20:44:50Musume1-2takes a while
20:45:54Musume1-2I look forward to my fav mario game..... Mario six golden coins
20:45:55Musume1-2hehe
20:46:25domonokyso it was not already on your ipod ? maybe you pointed rbutil to a wrong mountpoint ?
20:46:32LambdaCalculus37Musumel-2: Game Boy games are off topic.
20:47:02Musume1-2yes they are but I"m referring to rockbox
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20:48:21Musume1-2I probably did point it in the wrong place.. but slowly but surely will get it to work... and thanks domonoky for the help too
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20:49:50PhotoguyHello!
20:50:13PhotoguyHello!
20:50:19advcomp2019Photoguy, hello
20:50:19PhotoguyAnybody home?
20:50:39*gevaerts points Photoguy to the channel guidelines
20:50:40advcomp2019you can just ask, Photoguy
20:51:28PhotoguyI have a few questions...
20:52:01advcomp2019you can just ask, Photoguy, we can not read minds
20:52:09PhotoguyWhat is the path foe .patch files, inside the .rockbox folder?
20:52:15Photoguy:P
20:52:22Photoguy*for
20:52:32LambdaCalculus37.patch files are meant to be added to the Rockbox source code, and then compiled.
20:52:41PhotoguyOh..
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20:53:32PhotoguySo, no simple way unless you know how to code?
20:54:21LambdaCalculus37You don't really need to know how to write code from scratch to apply patches, but it helps.
20:55:41PhotoguyI wanted to add this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5448?histring=radio
20:55:49BigBambiYou don't need to know how to code at all, just how to follow instructions
20:55:58BigBambiUnless the patch is ut of date and needs updating
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20:56:12BigBambiPhotoguy: www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling
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20:57:09PhotoguyOk, I'm willing to learn, but doesn't somebody have an already compiled file?
20:57:17BigBambino
20:57:33BigBambiIt has to be done for the version of Rockbox you are using for the device you are using
20:57:39Musume1-2in reference to rockbox... whats the best encoding that could be used to make videos for rockbox in a ipod nano (1st gen)
20:57:41BigBambi(or nearly the same version)
20:57:57Musume1-2or what format for that matter
20:57:58BigBambiMusume1-2: www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
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20:58:20PhotoguyI wish rockbox was .mov compatible.
20:58:56BigBambiThen get coding
20:59:08Photoguy:)
20:59:28BigBambiHowever, seeing as you have in most cases to reencode to screen size anyway, it doesn't really matter
20:59:36PhotoguyWell, the origional firmware was .mov compatible...
20:59:40BigBambiso?
20:59:47BigBambiWe have many many original firmwares
20:59:59PhotoguyOh, sorry..
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21:00:13BigBambiWe don't want to be like any of them, but if we were do you mean iriver, iaudio, ipod, toshiba, sansa, archos.....
21:00:15PhotoguyI'm talking about the e200. :P
21:00:17gevaertsWas it? The original firmware for the first rockbox players didn't even support bitmap displays
21:00:45gevaertsThe e200 OF only handles mjpeg movs, so calling that one ".mov compatible" is a bit extreme too
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21:01:30BigBambiBesides, what any OF can do has no bearing on Rockbox
21:01:37LambdaCalculus37.mov files are just containers, anyway.
21:02:18saratogathe sansa's MOV support is worthless
21:03:05LambdaCalculus37You can just transcode what's in the files to MPEG2.
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21:03:15advcomp2019saratoga, i was going to say that too.. i think mpeg or mpeg2 are better for the sansa
21:03:41PhotoguyIs there any way enlarge photos to more than full size?
21:03:48PhotoguyI want to zoom in more.
21:05:18BigBambiPhotoguy: The manual is well worth a look
21:05:26Photoguy:)
21:05:33BigBambiYou well encounter wrath if you ask questions here that it answers
21:05:36BigBambi*will
21:05:53PhotoguyApparently you have lots of noobs come through.
21:06:25BigBambiIt gets very annoying to be asked several thousands times questions that people have put a lot of work into writing documentation to answer
21:06:26markunPhotoguy: I believe that the movies on the e200 are mjpeg, is that correct?
21:06:59amiconnmarkun: v1 OF video format is mjpeg. v2 uses mp4
21:07:19PhotoguyAfter using the Sandisk media converter, they are in quicktime .mov format
21:07:30amiconn.mov isn't a format, it's a container
21:07:31BigBambino, they are mjpeg in a mov container
21:07:42markunamiconn: so much has changed between v1 and v2, and they still just call it e200...
21:07:45PhotoguyOk, right, sorry.
21:08:28markunPhotoguy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mov#QuickTime_file_format
21:08:36PhotoguyAny hope for e200 v2 comatability in the future?
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21:08:58markunPhotoguy: yes
21:09:02BigBambiPhotoguy: Yes, but no timeframes or guarantees
21:09:06markunpeople are working on it
21:09:29PhotoguyYeah, just wondering.
21:09:54PhotoguyMy brother has a v2, and he's really jealous about rockbox.
21:09:58Photoguy:0
21:10:03Photoguy:)
21:10:27advcomp2019Photoguy, order him a v1 then
21:10:30markunthat's a nice compliment :)
21:11:07PhotoguyWhere would you order a v1?
21:11:14LambdaCalculus37Froobi.
21:12:37BigBambiIf in the US
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21:12:52PhotoguyTalk about exspensive!
21:13:18PhotoguyI bought mine from a friend for $18 :)
21:13:22Photoguy2gb
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21:13:50saratogathen don't buy one?
21:14:17PhotoguyOh, I see I was looking at the wrong thing..
21:15:17PhotoguyActuallyy not a bad price..$94 for a 16gb.
21:15:28Photoguy*actually
21:15:29advcomp2019that is a v2
21:16:02PhotoguyOh, right $89
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21:17:55Musume1-2anyone tried rockbox in a X5
21:17:57Musume1-2?
21:18:14chbevening - can someone tell me the status of the sansa v2 port?
21:18:30BigBambichb: Read the forum thread on it for latest news
21:18:50BigBambiMusume1-2: yes, lots of people. What is the question?
21:19:19Musume1-2does video buffer time improve ?
21:19:30BigBambicompared to what?
21:19:33Musume1-2takes a little while in original firmware
21:19:56Musume1-2to load and buffer the video into memory
21:19:58BigBambiMusume1-2: Why not just try it?
21:20:54Musume1-2well I can and kind of can't because I sold the X5 to my friend already... but I'll convince him once he see's my ipod
21:21:12*BigBambi would prefer the x5 to the ipod
21:21:46Musume1-2I sold it because I was afraid I'd break the little joystick .
21:22:11Musume1-2been know to break a few of those joysticks in other mp3 players
21:23:31Musume1-2but once I see how it works on the x5 .. I might just get another one eventually
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21:25:33Musume1-2what I would want to see...is how rockbox would look/work on a psp... except of course... for the game part.. because copyrights wont allow rockbox to decode psp games, but other than that.. for the video/music/pictures.. or even internet features.. that'd be cool
21:26:17Musume1-2with a nice big screen
21:26:54Musume1-2to pair it
21:26:56*gevaerts sets Musume1-2 to work
21:28:28Musume1-2I can already see it at work ... gevaerts
21:28:48Musume1-2hehe
21:28:51gevaertsRockbox ports don't happen by themselves
21:28:51BigBambieh?
21:28:58Musume1-2I know
21:29:02BigBambiyou want it, you port it
21:29:32gevaertsSo as long as people just talk a lot about a port but don't actually do anything, people here get a bit annoyed
21:31:32Musume1-2well I dont code, but I know someone who does... So I'll ask him for advice on it.... I'll see about it....
21:32:10Musume1-2take a couple of lessons from him.... u never know
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21:32:32mcuelenaereBagder: if you have some free time, could you look at the plugin API documentation generator?
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21:41:06druiduI managed to turn on the backlight and blue led of X20's LCD :D
21:41:37mcuelenaeredruidu: X20?
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21:42:16mcuelenaereahh iRiver
21:45:08Photoguyahh Sandisk
21:45:27LambdaCalculus37Photoguy: Hush.
21:45:50druiduiRiver X20
21:45:51druidu:)
21:46:03PhotoguyWhat size screen?
21:46:44druidu2.2 inch
21:46:56PhotoguyNice.
21:47:02mcuelenaeredruidu: does it has the same chip as the meizu's?
21:47:14LambdaCalculus37I thought the iriver X20 was TCC-based.
21:47:16mcuelenaereand where's the patch? ;)
21:47:18druiduno idea, it's something like variatronix
21:47:24druiduand yes, TCC8200
21:47:29mcuelenaereok
21:47:33b4taylorDoes anyone use the pluginviewer to read books at all/
21:47:35b4taylor?
21:47:42druiduthe lcd controllers I think is embedded in the tcc chip
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21:48:44PhotoguyI use the text viewer
21:49:07mcuelenaereare there some kind of guidelines/standard for writing a Rockbox audio driver?
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21:52:27b4taylorPhotoguy: I'd prefer a real pdf viewer but I'm wondering how good the viewer is :p
21:52:39b4taylorI haven't rocked my sansa e260 yet.
21:52:51PhotoguyYeah, a PDF viewer would be awesome...
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21:53:10b4taylorAlthough I bricked it today. It's fixed now, but I don't think it should lock up because it hit an mp3 tag it didn't like.
21:53:14BigBambib4taylor: It views text files, with a few things like bookmarking etc
21:53:24b4taylorBigBambi: Can you def chapters?
21:53:32BigBambib4taylor: That isn't bricked then. Please don't throw terms like that around
21:53:48BigBambib4taylor: And please use real words. I'm guessing you mean define?
21:53:53shotofaddsmcuelenaere: have you seen any odd behaviour from the nand_identify() function recently? on my m200 it consistently returns NULL for known NANDs. But if I insert an innocent printf() it works again... definitely something weird going on.
21:54:33BigBambib4taylor: And if you can consistently reproduce a crash and it hasn't already been done, please file a bug report on it
21:54:35mcuelenaereshotofadds: not really
21:54:45b4taylorBigBambi: It was rather messed up. It definately wasn't just a lock up -> reboot -> yay it works again.
21:54:56BigBambiThat isn't a brick
21:54:58mcuelenaereshotofadds: have you made a flyspray tracker item?
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21:55:08b4taylorIt wasn't usable. That's for sure.
21:55:17BigBambiA brick is taken to mean unable to be resurected without specialist equipment
21:55:31BigBambiYou manged to fix it, ergo it wasn't bricked
21:55:46b4taylorNo, a brick is taken to mean that it's as useful as a brick given it's current state.
21:55:54b4taylorWhich it was.
21:55:55shotofaddsmcuelenaere: I don't think there's any need. I'm looking into whether linuxstb's recent TCC77x changes broke it...
21:55:56BigBambib4taylor: Not here it isn't
21:56:06gevaertsb4taylor: when you turned it off?
21:56:17mcuelenaereshotofadds: did he change the nand_id file?
21:56:20*gevaerts forgot a "like"
21:56:41b4taylorgevaerts: When it was refreshing the DB.
21:56:54shotofaddsno, but the indeterminate behaviour possibly points to some kind of stack or interrupt problem
21:56:54PhotoguyAre there any custom builds...
21:56:58gevaertsb4taylor: I mean, is your player bricked whenever you turn it off?
21:57:03BigBambib4taylor: He meant that when you turn it off, by your definition it is bricked
21:57:09b4taylorgevaerts: Oh.
21:57:10mcuelenaerestack problem? you mean stack overflow?
21:57:34mcuelenaereand interrupts problem can't be caused by the nand_id code
21:58:03shotofaddsmcuelenaere: I didn't say it was caused by it. That's just where the problem becomes apparent
21:58:06b4taylorgevaerts: I suppose a better way to put it is the "set of normal states" instead of just 1 state.
21:58:12PhotoguyI want this! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5448?histring=radio
21:58:12shotofaddswas just checking if you'd seen similar behaviour
21:58:24mcuelenaerenope
21:58:34BigBambiPhotoguy: haven't we already been through this?
21:58:44mcuelenaereI just used the code on the Onda targets and no problems
21:58:47Photoguy:P
21:59:01shotofaddssure.. it works on the d2 without problems too.
21:59:10BigBambiPhotoguy: Please don't clog up the logs. This is a support and development channel, not a chat channel
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21:59:15PhotoguyI know, but this compiling buisness is confusing .
21:59:28BigBambiSo feel free to ask specific questions where you have problems
21:59:53mcuelenaereshotofadds: then you're probably right and it's a target specific problem
21:59:54b4taylorWhere's the rockbox chat channel?
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22:00:02mcuelenaereb4taylor: rockbox-community
22:00:02BigBambib4taylor: Check the topic
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22:00:54b4taylorWell that's lame there are more users here.
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22:02:23PhotoguyWhat is new about 3.0, I didn't see anything major, or am I missing something?
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22:03:08BigBambiPhotoguy: It is a specific version that was judged to be stable
22:03:56gevaertsPhotoguy: there's a huge amount of new things since 2.5, like ipod support
22:04:05gevaertsOr sansa, or iriver, or ...
22:04:11PhotoguyOk, just curious.
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22:14:15markunPhotoguy: wouldn't a PDF viewer be terrible on such a small screen?
22:14:44PhotoguyUmm..
22:14:48PhotoguyMaybe.
22:14:58Photoguy1.8 does seem a bit small.
22:15:10PhotoguyAlthough 2.2 wouldn't be to much better.
22:16:37markunbut still, how would you read the PDF? Zoom in and then keep scrolling left and right to read the lines?
22:17:45markunI think that if you view it with the whole width of a page on the screen you will be unable to read anything
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22:18:14markunalso depending on the screen size and resolution of the player of course
22:18:38markunfor something like the vx767 it would be ok I guess
22:19:16crashmatrixmy ipod has been acting up since a few days. When I turn it on, it won't get past the 'backlight off, apple logo'-booting stage. I can enter disk mode and test mode, but it just won't 'boot' up, rockbox or otherwise
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22:21:23crashmatrixI haven't done anything out of the ordinary with the thing, and I'm about to reflash the thing, but I'm wondering if this has happened before and/or if it's a common problem with 5.5G ipoots
22:23:33markuncrashmatrix: I have no clue what it could be, hope that someone else can help you
22:23:50PhotoguySorry.
22:23:55crashmatrixmeh, it's mostly my fault for getting a ipoot in the first place :)
22:24:37PhotoguyQuestion...
22:24:39markuncrashmatrix: a lot of people have them. I don't think they are the best, but neither are they the worst (hardware wise)
22:24:54BigBambiPhotoguy: Just ask
22:24:55PhotoguyHow can I make the Dict plugin to work?
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22:25:15PhotoguyDownload a dictionary somehow?
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22:26:54PhotoguyOk, nobody wants to answer that..
22:27:09PhotoguyI found a bug..
22:27:13PhotoguyOr kind of.
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22:28:24PhotoguyWhen recording (mic) on a the e200, there is a high pitched interference, caused by the lcd display.
22:28:54LambdaCalculus37We know about that already.
22:29:30PhotoguySorry :P
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22:30:06BigBambiPhotoguy: Please have patience. People aren't staring at their screens constantly, and not everybody knows the answer to everything
22:36:00shotofaddsanyone here with an M200 v1?
22:36:30LambdaCalculus37shotofadds: Just my v3, sorry.
22:37:27mcuelenaereshotofadds: have you tried reverting linuxstb changes and see if it resolves the problem?
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22:40:15shot0faddsmcuelenaere: I think it's related to the iaudio7 changes. will try reverting back shortly.
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22:42:25shot0faddsheh.. sometime the bootloader font doesn't even display properly. that's seriously screwed.
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22:44:23mcuelenaereI see vitja added an ata_identify() routine to ata-nand-telechips.c, but that can't be the problem
22:45:02mcuelenaereah perhaps the MODE->TMODE change?
22:45:28mcuelenaerenope
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22:54:14PhotoguyWhere do the dictionary files go in the rockbox folder?>]
22:54:42gevaertszodttd: the channel guidelines ask not to change your nick on away
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22:56:26scorche|shPhotoguy: please do a bit of searching...
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22:57:34PhotoguyIt said to put it in the rockbox folder, but it doesn't work :P
22:57:54scorche|shi dont see it saying that at all
22:58:12PhotoguySorry outside source: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18258
22:58:32scorche|shwhy dont you search *our* sources?...like, say, the wiki?
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23:00:00LambdaCalculus37And our manual?
23:00:36zodttdgevaerts: Ok. Though that means I would have to disable it for all channels.
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23:04:46PhotoguyOk, got it installed.
23:05:27PhotoguyBut I can't scroll down!
23:05:34PhotoguyStupid thing!
23:06:04scorche|shif you looked at the wiki page for it, you would have seen that..
23:06:14PhotoguySeen what?
23:06:22PhotoguyIt doesn't scroll down?
23:06:30scorche|shyes
23:07:39PhotoguyWow, that's a big handicap
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23:08:20Photoguy%50 done..
23:09:28PhotoguyWell, I'll probably be back with more questions later..
23:09:32PhotoguyBye.
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23:28:36BagderOnda vx787 seems to have a "Rockchip RK2706 DSP core + ARM core - Max core speed:400mHz " internally
23:28:46Bagderhttp://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=228
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23:30:45olegfinkBagder: ah, thanks, so if I don't want to start from the ground up I shouldn't get this one.
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23:31:08Bagderright, the other Ondas seem quite different
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23:48:10amiconnBagder: I found the reason why building the mips toolchain fails on some systems
23:48:22Bagderaha
23:48:31amiconnThe problem is gcc 4.3.x (why doesn't that surprise me.. :\ )
23:48:40Bagderoh
23:49:04amiconnSame thing happened for someone else who tried to build the avr toolchain: http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=66336
23:49:47amiconnGcc 4.3.x enables a warning for out-of-bounds array acesses by default, and binutils 2.17 (and higher) build with -Werror by default...
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23:54:23olegfinkBagder: can you tell from http://ftp.roverbook.com/RoverMedia/Aria_S7/S7%20software%2020080721.zip if it is vx777?
23:54:31olegfinklooks like 1:1 oem clone
23:54:49olegfinkOF is called S800.hxf (in the zip I linked)
23:55:05BagderI'm not an expert on that so I wouldn't dare to try to judge
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23:56:16olegfinkhmm, google says it's vx858
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