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#rockbox log for 2008-10-13

00:00:17amiconnI'll commit this code to trunk and branch. Then I just need to adjust the rombox load address, and test flashing a new rombox
00:00:35amiconnIf this also works, it needs to go into the branch as well, and then I'd like that 3.0.1 ...
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00:36:28DogBoyis there a document describing how to do mp3gain that works with rockbox
00:37:14linuxstbDo you mean ReplayGain ?
00:37:38DogBoylol
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00:38:31DogBoyif I had something to read about how to get it to work with rockbox I would then know what I meant
00:39:19DogBoycurrently I do not know what I mean other than to want to adjust the volume somehow without re-encoding
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00:40:42linuxstbmp3gain actually modifies your mp3 files to change the volume (not re-encoding, but it does modify them). ReplayGain will write information to the tags in your file, and then Rockbox will do the volume adjustment during playback.
00:41:08DogBoyyea well
00:41:16DogBoynone of that has worked for me yet
00:41:24DogBoywith rockbox
00:42:36linuxstbThe Rockbox manual should describe how to use ReplayGain. As for adding ReplayGain information to your files, I hear that foobar2k does the job.
00:42:50DogBoyyea I heard that too
00:43:05DogBoybut it didn't make any difference when played back with rockbox
00:44:06linuxstbDid you read the replaygain section of the Rockbox manual?
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00:44:22DogBoywhich is where
00:44:44linuxstbThe manual is linked from the Rockbox home page, and you can search the PDF in your PDF reader...
00:48:06DogBoyenabling it worked
00:48:17DogBoyI guess the foobar thing did work
00:48:27DogBoyit seems odd to have to enable this feature
00:48:51*amiconn curses the dependency mess
00:48:53saratogait could probably be enabled by default since its harmless if off
00:49:05saratogasorry harmless if no RG is available
00:49:11amiconnsaratoga: It drops the volume
00:49:12DogBoyexactly
00:49:28DogBoyamiconn, say what
00:50:35amiconnAnd afaik it costs a little extra processing power, even if the track has no RG info
00:53:06saratogaamiconn: if the volume changes without a tag, thats probably a bug
00:53:13saratogaor at least something that should be fixed
00:53:17amiconnNo, it's a necessary evil
00:54:01amiconnYou need to make a little room for a final RG > 0
00:54:07saratogato keep unscanned files from suddenly being much louder?
00:54:42amiconnNo, to be able to make RG work at all for files quieter than a standard track
00:55:12saratogawhy is head room needed? replaygain shouldn't be able to get louder then 1 regardless
00:55:18amiconnActually both, probably
00:55:48amiconnIt equalises perceived loudness, not peak level
00:56:20saratogayou're refering to the case of a peak normalized track with a very low volume?
00:56:45*amiconn doesn't remember the *exact* details, as he never uses RG
00:56:55amiconnIt should be in the logs somewhere
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00:58:43*amiconn still doesn't understand why people even use RG. It does something rather unwanted for his taste
00:59:07saratogain theory it is required to avoid clipping in lossy audio
00:59:17saratogaalthough in practice this depends on the type of music you listen to
00:59:51DogBoywhat's that amiconn
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01:01:31saratogaadditionally, its quite handy for volume equalization as well
01:02:25amiconnsaratoga: Without RG, a track can use the full sample value range. With RG, a track that has a low perceived loudness (and hence a positive RG value) can still utilize the full sample value range
01:02:48amiconnNow, if you don't apply a general precut, it would start clipping
01:03:08saratogathat would be quite rare I think
01:03:17amiconnIt's not. Ask preglow
01:03:30saratogaand since the postive RG value could be very large, you'll always clip on certain samples
01:04:02saratogai assume its not possible to only apply this precut if the tag is present?
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01:05:13DogBoythanks for helping saratoga
01:05:16DogBoyyou too amiconn
01:05:20amiconnIf you'd do that, untagged tracks would be significantly louder than tagged tracks
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01:05:48saratogathat would be a problem
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01:06:07amiconnAnd yes, if you don't limit positive RG values to be <= your precut, it could still clip
01:07:20amiconnSo either you risk clipping (although it becomes less likely for a very quiet track to clip, since it will most probably not use full-range), or you limit the positive RG (resulting in very quiet track not fully equalized to the louder ones)
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01:11:44JdGordonn1s: yes i have a intel amc and a ipod nano (its my sisters nano so i may not actually have accesss to it today), i cant test things out later this arvo...
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01:20:02amiconnBagder: 3.0.1 should be done for all archoses, in order to show a proper hint when the full-flash image is outdated
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01:33:05*amiconn ponders committing the necessary changes for 3.0.1 to the branch first
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01:33:58amiconnThe important point is that the rombox load address change should not be committed to the trunk until the new flash images are out, which in turn need 3.0.1 (it will be part of them)
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01:35:11amiconnSo I need to commit that stuff, then 3.0.1 needs to be built, and then I need the (rom|rock)box.ucl files in order to integrate them into the new flash images
01:35:39amiconnThen these images need to be tested, and published together with 3.0.1
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01:47:14WilliamMillsHI all. I'd like to be granted write acces to the Wiki so I can upload an FM preset file for my town. Any takers
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01:50:24aarcaneColon-Capital-Dee!
01:50:38aarcaneI just got 24 hrs play time on rockbox on an ipod mini :D
01:51:17WilliamMillsI use a Sansa e280 myself. Works a dream with Rockbox
01:51:53WilliamMillsI'm looking to add an FM preset file for my town, but I need someone to allow me write access to the Wiki first. Any takers?
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01:54:07pixelmaI guess you are also WilliamMills in the wiki?
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01:54:18WilliamMillsThat's correct
01:56:25pixelmayou should be able to edit pages now, hope you don't intend to spam ;)
01:58:07WilliamMillsThanks for that. No spam, just an fmr file for the little town of Taumarunui, here in New Zealand.
01:58:12WilliamMillsCheck it out here:
01:58:14WilliamMillshttp://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=taumarunui&ie=UTF8&ll=-38.88061,175.262833&spn=0.140847,0.30899&z=12&iwloc=addr
01:58:34WilliamMillsAnd thanks again pixelma. Great help
01:58:37saratogaWilliamMIlls: this is a rockbox channel
01:58:50pixelmanice. Thanks for contributing :)
01:58:58WilliamMillsI had a Rockbox question. Now it's sorted
01:59:41aarcanepixelma, I don't have anything to contribute except battery bench results, and I'm too lazy to register. wanna post it for me ?
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02:00:04pixelmano
02:00:36advcomp2019WilliamMills, what is your question ;)
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02:01:28WilliamMillsadvcomp2019: All I was after was write access to upload a file to the Wiki. I've got it now, so I'm all good for the moment. Thanks anyway.
02:01:33WilliamMillsBye all.
02:01:39advcomp2019o ok
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02:28:26stevenmHey guys. Is it possible to completely power an archos recorder by giving it 5V at the USB port ?
02:30:21stevenmAlso, will its charger port accept 12.5V for the same purpose?
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02:34:02funmanI just came across this number in the Clip OF: 0x40FF8000
02:35:15funmanThis can be understood as OCR, with bit 30 set : HCS (High Capacity)
02:35:39funmanHowever when I issue a CMD8 (to know if the card supports high capacity) I got no response
02:36:03funmanAnd worse: this number is sent as an argument to CMD7, which is heavily unrelated and not correct
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02:38:20funmanCMD7 is select/deselect card and requires the card RCA in the bits 31:16 of the argument, while bits 15:0 are stuff bits
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02:38:53funmanI fear they used custom commands :(
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03:17:10meoowwwHello, can someone help me out?
03:17:35advcomp2019meoowww, if you tell us what help you need
03:19:27meoowwwWell, i'm completly new to this installing mods on my ipod, & i'd rather have someone take me step by step, cause i dont trust my self reading the instructions :S
03:20:19Lloreanmeoowww: Have you tried reading the instructions yet?
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03:20:23LloreanJust to see how simple they are...
03:20:59meoowwwYeah i have.
03:21:17meoowwwOne question, can i remove it off my ipod, without damaging the ipod it self?
03:21:21LloreanYes
03:21:35meoowwwOk :)
03:22:22advcomp2019plus the ipods are hard to brick if you want to know, too
03:23:45LloreanBy "hard to brick" he means "You can't really do it without a hammer"
03:24:01meoowwwAhh, thank you
03:24:02meoowww:D
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03:26:05meoowwwIm confused.
03:26:21meoowwwIs there ment to be an installer? cause all i get is a rar file. with alot of other files. O_o
03:28:32JdGordon_yes, there is
03:28:47JdGordon_and you shou;dnt be getting rars from rockbox.org at all?
03:29:18meoowwwi am :S
03:30:05JdGordon_where are you?
03:30:25JdGordon_we really need to work on a generic quick start guide
03:31:09meoowwwhttp://build.rockbox.org/
03:31:15meoowwwwhen i download the build for my 1st gen ipod
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03:32:04funmanit looks like a zip file
03:32:32meoowwwDamn it
03:32:36meoowwwSorry, yes its a zip -.-
03:32:42meoowwwWinrar just changes the icon
03:32:45meoowwwno extention,, sorry.
03:32:54JdGordon_have you installed the bootloader yet?
03:33:15JdGordon_go to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility and use that to insall everything
03:33:46*JdGordon_ notes there is no 64bit linux build for 1.0.7
03:34:22meoowwwHm ive put all the files into my ipod
03:34:26meoowwwim on the boot loader thing now
03:34:30meoowwwi install this right
03:36:50meoowwwWow. ok nvm i have it installed.
03:36:51meoowww :)
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03:38:07funmando you know if you can place breakpoints on PC value with JTAG hardware/software ?
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03:40:42meoowwwhello first time i just ran rockbox, i go to database
03:41:00meoowwwdo i initialize?
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03:41:50funmansaratoga: is your JTAG cable still on shipment ?
03:41:57saratogagot it on friday
03:42:22funmandid it got its baptem yet ?
03:42:27meoowwwuh
03:42:30meoowwwhow do i reboot?
03:42:58saratogafunman: no i've been out of town this weekend
03:43:07saratogai actually haven't given it much thought
03:43:19Lloreanmeoowww: Shut down, and power back on.
03:43:30JdGordon_meoowww: and read the manual...
03:44:03funmanmaybe you can figure what type of SD card is in your Fuze, I just found SD/MMC/SDHC/whatever initialization code in the OF
03:44:24funmanIt's for the Clip though, but I bet I can find the exact same code in Fuze OF
03:45:10saratogawhat would be useful for me to do with JTAG?
03:45:18saratogai've been too busy to follow the port all that closely
03:45:40funmanbreakpoint the OF at some precise location and read the registers content
03:45:57funmanI mean the ARM registers (r0, r1 ..)
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03:48:12saratogai'll look into the software to do that tonight
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03:54:11funmansaratoga: I have the disassembly of Fuze Firmware V4.0.45A (at least strings say so)
03:55:30funmanbasically I'd like to know the result of the condition at offset 0x4216 (MMC or SD)
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03:57:00funmanhum I can't see a test for SDHC cards in the Fuze firmware, while it's present in the Clip firmware
03:58:39saratogafunman: ok, right now i'm just trying to figure out how JTAG actually works, haven't had time to tear apart and solder my Fuze
03:59:18funmanbe careful, kugel broke the wheel when putting his Fuze apart
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04:00:16funmansaratoga: it's time for sleep here, no hurry: this test should just confirm that we deal with a SD card (since the card answers to SD specific commands that should be the case, but you never know)
04:00:51funmansee you
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05:06:40stevenmHey guys. What happened to the page that listed all the archos recorder chips?
05:06:48stevenmI wanna find some info on the voltage regulator
05:07:30stevenmi really wouldn't mind modding this thing to run on an external 5V.. but not sure how to elegantly get it inside
05:07:55stevenmAnyone know if at least the DC In regulator is linear or buck/boost?
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05:31:03stevenmman this fucker is build SOLID
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05:31:34stevenmi try last time.. on the larger ajbrec board, there is a 1206 0-ohm resistor... is this a charging port disconnect?
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05:47:01XavierGrstevenm: europe is asleep at this time, better ask again at an hour that more people will be here
05:47:23stevenmXavierGr, aah, thanks. i should be asleep too... but i figured it out, thanks
05:47:39stevenmif you pull up one resistor, you can rewire the DC IN port to be an aux. battery
05:47:50stevenmor it gives you direct access to batteries
05:48:03stevenmcharging thru rockbox becomes impossible, but my batteries are terrible anyway
05:48:18stevenmi'm gonna plug in a buck/boost converter and power it from my car
05:50:38XavierGrwhy? Shouldn't it work just by pluging in the dc jack (with proper dc of course). Why do you want to override charging?
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05:53:12XavierGranyway have to sleep too, so good luck with your mod
05:54:04stevenmthanks!
05:54:11stevenmputting the body back together now
05:54:17stevenm(so, done in 5 hours :))
05:54:19stevenmgood night
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06:09:48stevenmwoot, that worked!
06:10:02stevenmnow i dont hafta drive 4 hours while listening to jesus/country radio
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06:13:11gkffjcshi all, I just installed rockbox onto my ipod black 30 gig, I like it, because it lets me play flac files, but I would still like to dual boot, but when rockbox boots, it doesn't seem to give me an option, how do I choose to boot ipod os, or rockbox?
06:14:57ameyerhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3
06:15:00ameyeralso, rtfm
06:17:57ameyer(at least, I think "ipod black 30 gig" == ipod video)
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07:10:37JdGordonI dont suppose anyone know what testing n1s needed done re autodetecion in ipodpather?
07:10:46JdGordonis it a patch he has or svn?
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07:50:33JdGordonn1s: hey
07:50:40n1shey
07:51:06JdGordonso turns out the nano isnt playing nice and the battery is probably flat so i cant test out today :(
07:51:17JdGordonunless it turns on in the next hour or so
07:52:21n1sok, no rush, would be great if you can test sometime this week though :)
07:52:52JdGordona patch? or svn?
07:53:58n1sthere's even a prebuilt dmg in FS #9369
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07:54:37n1sLambdaCalculus37 built a universal binary and tested on ppc mac
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07:59:13JdGordonn1s: ok, now im confused.. what needs testing?
07:59:36n1sthat the new ipodpatche ractually works on an intel mac, nothing fancy really :)
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08:01:11JdGordoni dont see a patch on that task? is his build just a svn build?
08:02:49n1syeah, the v3.0 ipod bootloaders built from the release branch and ipodpatcher v3.0 from the same branch (there's even a tag in svn) it's all basically ready but apparently some people don't think untested installers are the way to go :P
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08:05:11n1sso i was hoping you could get the dmg from the task and see if it worked for installing a bootloader on your (siters') nano
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08:17:45JdGordonn1s: if it turns on in the next hour i can... otherwise not till wedndsay night
08:18:52n1sno worries
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08:57:19amiconnB4gder: The branch is now prepared for building 3.0.1. It should be built for all archoses, but not made *publicly* available yet. I'd like the latter to happen in parallel with publishing the new flash images, which need the 3.0.1 .ucl files in order to make them.
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09:03:30DjpenguinHi, I just installed Rockbox on my Ipod Video, and after it initalializes database and I reboot, I go into database and it gives me a black screen
09:03:52DjpenguinHow could I fix this problem?
09:05:32DjpenguinBut for some reason when I go into database none of the artists or anything of that sort show up
09:05:43Djpenguinjust the background
09:06:26DjpenguinCan someone please help me fix this?
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09:07:23linuxstbHow do you reboot? Do you do a hard reset (holding MENU+SELECT), or do you shutdown cleaning (long press on PLAY) ?
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09:07:50J-23Can anybody help me? When I'm compiling Rockbox, I receive http://pastebin.com/d749cf2a4 errors. I tried to patch it with FS# 4755, 4760, 8767 and 9416.
09:08:07J-23and tried to manually resync both FM patches
09:10:23J-23I'm compiling for c200, if it makes any difference.
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09:13:53linuxstbJ-23: If I was you, I would try the patches individually, rather than 4 at once. It looks like the patches are simply out of date and need updating to other changes in Rockbox, so you will need to fix the code.
09:15:00J-23I fixed other files that are changed by these patches
09:15:17J-23but I don't know how to fix apps/system_settings.c
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09:17:49linuxstbTry and find similar lines in that file to the ones added by your patch, and see what's different. Or if you can't work it out, you could type "svn diff apps/system_settings.c > mypatch.diff" and upload that mypatch.diff file to pastebin and ask for specific help.
09:21:29J-23http://wklej.org/txt/10200/ - differences between system_settings.c from SVN and patched with 8151 and 8767
09:25:28*J-23 doesn't understand what's wrong with it.
09:26:48linuxstbYou need to delete the first three lines that the patch is showing - the code within the #if #else #endif block should be replacing it. You also need an extra ")" after the last ID2P() in both sections of that #if.
09:27:20funmanisn't it a ',' ?
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09:28:17linuxstbEr, it's both - the #if part should end ID2P(LANG_FM_REG_LV1000)), and the #else should end ID2P(LANG_FM_KOREA)),
09:28:41funmanI just checked the Clip OF: the code definitely checks if the bit31 of the response to acmd41 is set, so it sticks to the specification
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09:29:42funmanIt means I must miss something in the card initialization; I hope it's the bits of MCI Power I didn't touch because I don't understand them (OpenDrain and Resistor Open Drain)
09:29:49J-23thank you, now that code compiles properly
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09:31:05funmanBits 6 & 7 described in http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0172a/i1007086.html
09:31:26J-23hmm, "drivers/fat.c:800: warning: format ‘%d’ expects type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘long unsigned int’"
09:31:40J-23happens also for lines 719 and 775
09:32:33funman%lu ?
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09:34:56*linuxstb wonders what patch is changing the fat driver
09:35:07JdGordonover the next couple of days can someone look at FS #9480 (code cleanup NOT a new feature)? it cleans up and hopefully organsies the events in apps/
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09:37:31linuxstbJ-23: Do you know which patch changes fat.c ? I've just had a quick look at the 4 patches you listed, and can't see any references to fat.c in them.
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09:38:18linuxstbJdGordon: Are the items listed under "further cleanup:" things your patch does, or things you think need to be done?
09:38:35JdGordonthings to think about or do later
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09:39:06JdGordonata_idel_notify can probalby stay... i had another look at it and I tihnk its fine
09:42:02*JdGordon is afk till wed night but wanted to get someone elses opinion on it...
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09:45:19J-23linuxstb: these errors appeared only when running debug build.
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09:46:23linuxstbJ-23: Debug builds don't work on most targets anyway - they're designed for use when you have a hardware debugging device attached.
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09:58:08Trabyhy
09:58:49Trabyi have a meizu E5 mp3 player, can anyone tell me if it could run rockbox
09:59:04GodEaterit probably *could*, but it won't at the moment
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09:59:18GodEaterwe list all models rockbox currently runs on at http://www.rockbox.org/
09:59:38Trabythanks
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10:38:56Zagoralso I'd say a counter point to that response is that the way we've always done it has proven itself rather weak, as shown by the overwhelming number of patches waiting.
10:39:07B4gderI agree
10:39:19B4gderbut I don't think the suggested way is an improvement to that
10:39:30Zagorme neither
10:40:23Zagorsometimes I wonder if a "liutenant" system, like in the linux kernel, could work for us
10:40:56B4gderperhaps
10:41:07B4gderu-boot also has that
10:42:08pixelmaliutenant?
10:42:30B4gderlocal "masters" of subsections of the code
10:43:07pixelmaaha
10:47:49amiconnB4gder: ping
10:48:04B4gderyes?
10:48:16amiconn08:57 ...
10:49:08GodEaterlieutenant btw ;)
10:49:33B4gderamiconn: I read that, but I can't start on that right now
10:50:00amiconnOK. Would be nice to have that available sometime tonight, then I could prepare the images right away
10:50:08amiconn(and test on all my archoses)
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11:04:05linuxstbZagor: I see part of the Rockbox patch problem as simply being that we have quite high standards for code committed to Rockbox, and lots of patch authors either can't meet them, or are happy with their "works for me" hacks. ddalton seems to fall into the latter category.
11:04:40linuxstbThe other problem of course is that we (i.e. existing committers) don't spend enough time reviewing patches and encouraging the authors.
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11:08:58linuxstbZagor: Also the "docs/MAINTAINERS" file was intended (by me at least) to be a sort of "lieutenant" system - but it requires people to take up the role...
11:10:04Zagorah, I'd forgotten about that file.
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11:32:56SmallR2002i have done something rather silly
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11:33:30SmallR2002rm -rf ./* from the root of my sansa e280r
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11:35:09SmallR2002now i need to get the original firmware on and rockbox, as they both got removed
11:35:55advcomp2019SmallR2002, you can reinstall the OF via recovery mode
11:36:11SmallR2002recovery mode? this was what i needed :p
11:36:17SmallR2002what do i do to get recovery mode?
11:38:17advcomp2019take a look at the SansaE200Unbrick wiki
11:40:05SmallR2002tar
11:44:19SmallR2002okey, got to a clean system again :)
11:44:21SmallR2002thanks :)
11:44:41SmallR2002/dev/sdg1 8.1G 2.5G 5.6G 31% /media/Sansa e280R
11:44:50SmallR2002how is nothing using 2.5GB?
11:45:36advcomp2019open it up and see what is there then
11:49:07SmallR2002http://rafb.net/p/me7ZuP84.html
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11:50:36advcomp2019did you use the sansa.fmt file when you use in recovery mode?
11:52:04SmallR2002no, i used http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html
11:52:22SmallR2002SanDisk Sansa e250R
11:52:41SmallR20022x0 x being capacity i was told a while ago
11:52:57advcomp2019the sansa.fmt file will format the sansa
11:53:37SmallR2002okey
11:55:03SmallR2002i'll get the latest sansa firmware, pop that on there for an upgrade then format
11:55:08SmallR2002safer than crossing fingers
11:57:34SmallR2002by the way guys
11:57:41SmallR2002thanks so much for building rockbox :)
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12:00:32linuxstbShouldn't you just be able to copy the original firmware .mi4 (called /System/OF.mi4) and the Rockbox bootloader will load and decrypt it?
12:00:40markunSmallR2002: on behalf of the guys: you're welcome :)
12:01:05linuxstbSmallR2002: Or have you already unplugged your Sansa from your PC?
12:01:12SmallR2002i unplugged
12:01:14SmallR2002but that's fixed
12:01:18SmallR2002i'm just updating the firmware now
12:04:46SmallR2002heh, anyway, i know it's hard to support newer players on the market
12:04:51SmallR2002is there anything i can do to help?
12:05:03scorche|shdo you know C?
12:06:52SmallR2002not as well as i would need to
12:07:37SmallR2002but i guess i could go back through the books and get into it
12:07:44scorche|shnever a time like the present to learn ;)
12:07:56daurnimatortheres times like tomorrow
12:07:57daurnimatoror later
12:08:03daurnimatoror even "when I feel like it"
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12:12:55SmallR2002or 'some time soon, well, in a bit'
12:18:02SmallR2002brilliant, got my space back :)
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12:54:11SmallR2002hmmm
12:54:28SmallR2002first try with the gui and it claims that the bootloader 404's
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12:54:39SmallR2002i'll do it manually like normal :p
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13:00:25SmallR2002don't know if you know already but http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200r-patcher/e200rpatcher.linux 404's
13:01:01B4gderappend 32
13:01:06B4gderto the url
13:01:19B4gderor 64 if you prefer the 64bit version
13:06:18linuxstbSmallR2002: I don't think rbutil supports the e200r for bootloader installation.
13:07:44SmallR2002no worries, did it manually with svn co
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13:17:48SmallR2002btw, how long till the rockbox util will do themes again?
13:19:31linuxstbSmallR2002: It needs someone to finish developing the new themes website...
13:20:39SmallR2002maybe i can help?
13:21:18linuxstbDo you know PHP?
13:21:47linuxstbThe site so far is in Rockbox SVN - in the "themes.rockbox.org" directory (at the same level as "rockbox" I think)
13:22:05SmallR2002i know enough to get by
13:22:07SmallR2002hmmm
13:22:17SmallR2002i might be able to help quite a bit
13:24:16markunI wonder if this would work to make an image viewer for our blind users: http://www.seeingwithsound.com/
13:25:10SmallR2002i'll talk to my business partner, maybe we can do the site for free
13:25:33SmallR2002might be able to get you some money thrown in ;)
13:25:36linuxstbSmallR2002: We have a server waiting to host it - it's just the PHP code that needs finishing.
13:25:44SmallR2002/nod
13:26:08SmallR2002all we'd want is a notice somewhere saying that the site was sponsored by us
13:32:05SmallR2002a couple of hundred quid for buying new players :p
13:35:58linuxstbSmallR2002: Donations are always welcome, but I don't think we need any more sponsored servers (others may correct me...)
13:36:34SmallR2002well, i can offer a sponsored server if you want, but i was offering to do the site, like, make it
13:37:12linuxstbYes, someone to write the php is definitely needed. But are you saying you will only write the PHP if you get to host/sponsor the site?
13:37:46SmallR2002just to put a little notice on at the bottom saying that as a company we sponsor you
13:37:53SmallR2002and you'd get a nice sized donation :p
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13:39:15SmallR2002otherwise i might be able to contribute a little myself in my spare time
13:40:15linuxstbHmm, I don't think anyone has offered something like that before, I can't say what most people would think.
13:41:14SmallR2002fair enough :p
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13:47:25*n1s found a small list glitch, do people think it's bad that the order in which the various gui_synclist_* setup functions are called before gui_synclist_draw matters? It does seem error prone to me (and was the cause for this bug)
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14:26:01brucifictioni was just wondering, are there any plans to bring this amazing software to ipod nano 3rd gen?
14:27:05advcomp2019most of that info is on the forums unless you are going to help out in some way
14:29:35linuxstbbrucifiction: Ports to the newer ipods are blocked because no-one has cracked Apple's firmware encryption - meaning we can't run our own code on them. They are also completely different hardware to earlier ipods.
14:32:10GodEatercan we add that as an "explain" to logbot ?
14:32:20*GodEater is sick of typing it, and is sure other people must be too.
14:36:14brucifictionsorry if you've heard the question a million times before, i only found the site about 10 mins ago. i'm looking into getting an mp3 player for a visually impaired friend. this could be my answer! thanks :)
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14:39:54massiveHbrucifiction, any version that supports "voice" (which I think is every player)
14:41:17n1syes, every supported rockbox player supports the voice UI
14:41:42brucifictionis there a particular player that anyone can recommend?
14:42:01massiveHI'd suggest any player with real buttons, not a wheel
14:42:04n1ssee the BuyersGuide page in the wiki
14:42:35n1sbut yes, for visually impaired users the touchstrip/ wheel targets are not so nice
14:43:00brucifictiongreat advice, thank you!
14:43:16Zagorthe "in production" column is rather depressing...
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14:43:29Zagor...and the "available" column is rather pointless
14:43:30massiveHit is, but you can find almost every player on ebay
14:44:04massiveHheck, I just bought a sansa 280 on woot.com for $50 last week
14:44:15midgey|webpixelma: I saw your question about GSoC in the logs
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14:44:38ZagormassiveH: yes, woot are saviours for americans. but I don't think they ship to europe, do they=
14:44:46saratogaBagder: any chance you could update the "current status" link on the front page?
14:44:53brucifictioni'm from the UK, will that make a difference?
14:44:54GodEaterZagor: no they don't
14:44:59massiveHno, I think they can only do US, Zagor, sadly
14:45:05midgey|webpixelma: long story short, i'm still alive i've just been very busy with school and work
14:45:06GodEaterbrucifiction: yes, you'll have to go via ebay or somesuch
14:45:34midgey|webi'll try and post a synced patch some time this week after exams
14:46:17midgey|webi don't think it's ready for commit and there's some issues I'd like to fix
14:46:47saratogahas anyone looked at the updated album art resize patch?
14:46:51midgey|webi'll try and post to the mailing list so people can read what's going on
14:46:57n1smidgey|web: good to hear you're still working on it, I think this will be a nice major feature for 3.1 :)
14:47:44midgey|webi'd agree with that. i had no idea i would be this busy this semester.
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14:50:09midgey|websaratoga: i've looked at it briefly but I haven't tested it or really reviewed it at all
14:52:57brucifictionso will the sansa e280 work? there seems to be alot of those on ebay in the UK
14:53:24linuxstbsaratoga: I was hoping idak would give us his own critique of his patch (so I didn't waste time saying what he already knew) - he seemed aware that it was far from perfect. I now see that he replied, but didn't say what other improvements he's planning.
14:54:29linuxstbDon't we support album-art on 2bpp LCDs?
14:54:38n1sbrucifiction: there are two versions of the e200 one (v1) that works with rockbox and one (v2) that doesn't (yet)
14:55:23n1slinuxstb: we do
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14:56:18brucifictionhow can i find out if it's version 1?
14:57:45massiveHbrucifiction, in the menu, there is a tab that shows the firmware version of the player
14:58:03massiveHso you would most likely have to ask the person selling it
14:58:17Zagorcan anyone think of a reason why pcm_record.c should be in firmware/ rather than apps/ ?
14:58:22brucifictionso i won't know until i get it? can i backdate to an earlier firmware?
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14:59:04LambdaCalculus37V2 Sansas only use 03.XX.XX firmware versions. V1 Sansas use 01.XX.XX firmware versions.
14:59:04advcomp2019you can not make a v2 into v1
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15:00:09Zagoryou need to ask the seller to check the version before you buy
15:00:41brucifictionif i was to go for an ipod, is there an accessible alternative to iTunes?
15:01:07linuxstbI don't know about accessible alternatives, but there are many alternatives. That's not really on-topic here though.
15:01:08n1sbrucifiction: with rockbox you don't need itunes
15:01:18massiveHbrucifiction, you can access it like a hard drive, but trying to use the wheel with the voice UI is going to be difficult
15:01:54*linuxstb assumed brucifiction was talking about ipods that couldn't run Rockbox - but maybe he was wrong.
15:02:34brucifictionno, that's great! just clearing things up :)
15:02:54massiveHlinuxstb, he is looking for a player that supports voice ui for his blind friend
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15:05:54massiveHbrucifiction, the older ipods are probally easier to come buy, but I suggest a player with real buttons, not touch type wheel
15:06:09brucifictionanyone have any experience with the iriver h300 series?
15:06:18massiveHbrucifiction, that is my player, I love it
15:06:30LambdaCalculus37My girlfriend has one; excellent player.
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15:07:43brucifictiondoes this one require a particular firmware version?
15:08:00n1sbrucifiction: a very nice player, and no all h300's are supported
15:08:01massiveHbrucifiction, no, every version works, and you can downgrade if you want
15:08:50n1sbrucifiction: btw the problem with the e200 isn't the firmware, the hardware is actualy eintirely different between v1 and v2
15:09:17markunwhich player does ddalton use?
15:09:36B4gderone of the irivers I think
15:10:07brucifictionsounds like an iriver is the one for me. you've all been great. thanks for your patients :)
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15:13:24markunwe could add (optional) clicks upon a key press for the gigabeat F series
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15:13:37pixelma"an iriver" is a bit vague, even one (the H10) of the 3 models Rockbox runs on is quite different from the other ones and there are a lot of other models
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15:13:58massiveHI think he chose the h300
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15:14:28brucifictionyes, the h320 to be exact
15:14:30pixelmamidgey|web: good to hear
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15:18:13brucifictionwhen i go to the blind FAQ it only tellms me about the archos, is there something i'm missing?
15:18:50n1sthat faq is a bit outdated
15:19:50brucifictionstable) version of rockbox, and the voice files?
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15:21:21brucifictionsorry, not sure what happened there. so i would just install the newest and stable version of rockbox, and the voice files, and i'm ready to go?
15:22:11n1sbasically yes, but if you also want file names voiced you need to generate a talk clip for each file, rbutil can help with that
15:23:26brucifictionis that a long process?
15:24:38n1sit shouldn't take too long, i think
15:25:53brucifictionok, thanks :)
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15:48:51Zagoramiconn: here? can you explain to me what the magic numbers in mpeg.c:2487-2500 are?
15:50:14amiconnThat function returns the MAS' internal PLL frequency, in Hz
15:50:49Zagoris that frequently set anywhere or do we "just know" that this is the frequency at this point?
15:51:07Zagorer, s/frequently/frequency of course
15:52:35Zagorit looks rather ... magic
15:52:57Zagoralso it breaks my mpeg -> apps transition :)
15:53:11amiconnIt's documented in the MAS datasheet. If the mpeg file uses 8,12,16,24,32 or 48kHz sample frequency, the internal PLL runs at 24.576MHz, and for sample frequencies of 11,22 and 44kHz it runs at 22,579MHz (provided that we don't lie about the xtal input frequency)
15:53:21B4gderit seems like a function for firmware/target somewhere
15:53:30B4gderor possibly drivers
15:53:41ZagorB4gder: indeed. it's only used by the archos tuner driver, to avoid interference.
15:53:45amiconnThis function is there to avoid radio interference with the samsung tuner (which is *very* susceptible to interference)
15:54:14amiconnThe 4th harmonic of these pll frequencies lies within the FM reception range
15:55:14amiconnSo if the user tunes to one of these 4th harmonics, we slightly shift them away by slight pitch shifting
15:55:44Zagorit would be nice to solve this in mas.c instead of mpeg.c
15:56:24amiconnYeah. mas.c needs a fundamental rewrite anyway
15:56:26B4gderthe first line of the function seems a bit weird though
15:56:37B4gdermpeg_mode seems like an mpeg.c variable
15:57:07B4gderin fact the entire function is odd
15:57:15amiconnYes, and it needs to check that
15:58:19amiconnThe function only works properly if the MAS is in recording mode with source != spdif, but that's all that's needed for its purpose
15:59:16Zagorso it's only used when recording from radio?
15:59:40amiconnno
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16:00:08amiconnThe MAS is always in recording mode when the radio screen is active
16:00:37Zagoraha
16:00:39amiconnActually that's something I want to change, because it wastes battery power when not actually recording, and prevents voicing
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16:08:18Zagoramiconn: would you mind if I introduced a mas_store_pllfreq() for use by the tuner, instead of talking directly to mpeg.c?
16:10:01Zagoror rather, mpeg.c uses store and the tuner driver uses get
16:11:00n1sanyone against FS #9472 ?
16:18:09Zagoramiconn: ?
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16:22:13Lloreann1s: I certainly don't think "General Settings" belongs at the top.
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16:22:31LloreanGeneral is mostly "set once" style settings, and "Sound Settings" are, most of the time, going to be why people are going into the menus I think
16:22:49n1sLlorean: i agree that it is a little strange
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16:23:58n1sso how about having General after Recording and before Theme?
16:24:36LloreanI don't think things need to be moved around (in that screen) other than picking a position where "Playback" can go if it's to be moved there.
16:24:47LloreanHonestly, I think it's one of the least change-needing screens in Rockbox. :)
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16:29:28n1sso no one will come screaming at me if I just change it?
16:31:48LloreanHuh?
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16:33:38n1sLlorean: I had not initially realised that he also rearranged the menu so i'm going to just move playback settings out of general and stick it under sound, ok?
16:35:24LloreanSo just immediately below "Sound" on the screen but leaving everything else untouched? I'm fine with that at least.
16:36:11n1sok, i'll go with that as no one else has commented
16:36:32pixelmawhat about the manual?
16:37:10n1spixelma: calm :)
16:37:21peturhaha
16:38:24*petur suddenly remembers he should regenerate the recording settings screendumps :/
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16:43:01pixelman1s: just one thought about the new order - "Playback Settings" should be in a place that's not any harder to get to than now (just thinking about no quick screen on the Ondio). Even though playback settings are currently inside "General Settings", playback is the first point there and it "just" needs one additional button press from there...
16:44:04n1spixelma: playback now goes under sound (where general was before) so it is actually one keypress less
16:44:07pixelmathough I admit that I don't change things like shuffle or repeat very often
16:46:06pixelmaand since "Playback Settings" can be entered from the WPS context menu too, it's probably not that important. Ok...
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18:29:54SmallR2002maybe i just had a really good idea
18:29:56SmallR2002maybe i didn't
18:29:57SmallR2002hmmm
18:30:44SmallR2002have you guys heard of slacker radio?
18:31:35SmallR2002i believe they're starting to ship a linux based device with their own app on it, maybe with a little diplomacy they might port it to rockbox
18:33:56SmallR2002the music would have to be somehow encrypted i guess
18:34:04SmallR2002hmmm
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18:36:48domonokyisnt that *online* radio ? rockbox doesnt have any net access...
18:39:47LambdaCalculus37domonoky: Yes, it is.
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18:42:30n1sdomonoky: it could always _get_ net access
18:44:10SmallR2002um
18:44:11domonokyn1s: if you write a networkstack for something like a virtual Network-over-USB device, sure :-)
18:44:13SmallR2002it's online radio
18:44:15mcuelenaereBagder: did you have time for setting up the plugin API documentation generator cronjob?
18:44:17SmallR2002but, more than that
18:44:28SmallR2002now they have an mp3 player kinda thing
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18:44:43SmallR2002where basically it downloads a set of songs plays radio from that
18:44:49SmallR2002you update it regularly
18:45:02SmallR2002http://www.slacker.com/products/portables/
18:45:39n1sdomonoky: gevaerts was looking into porting lwip, no idea how serious he was though, I however don't care much for internet radio or radio at all so i would need better motivation :)
18:46:25gevaertsI was semi-serious. I think it's doable, if someone really wants it.
18:47:15SmallR2002hmmm
18:47:23SmallR2002twas just an idea i had
18:47:37SmallR2002might bring more support and funding your way too
18:47:43SmallR2002always good, right?
18:48:00gevaertsDepends on the cost
18:48:08bertrikwe don't need much funding I think
18:48:26n1sbeing able to download tracks from a samba share or something over wifi would be a neat feature if we ever get support on a wifi enabled player :)
18:48:38domonokywe dont even need user.. :-) rockbox is fine on its own :-)
18:49:21*gevaerts is of the opinion that users serve to find developers :)
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18:50:37SmallR2002tbh, i think rockbox is awesome and should be ported to *everything*
18:50:49LambdaCalculus37Well, no stopping you there. Get to porting. :)
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19:26:26stevenmHey guys!
19:26:47stevenmDoes anyone know what happened to the archos HW page? The one with the boards, chip numbers, etc ?
19:27:38petursomewhere in the wiki?
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19:29:00domonokyperhaps you mean something like this ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardwareSchematics
19:31:18stevenmdomonoky, YES! Thanks
19:31:59stevenmI've been trying to bypass the batteries entirely (they only last 30min) and get the thing to run directly off the DC In port
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19:32:52stevenmjust wanna check if there is a more elegant way to do it than pulling up the 0-ohm resistor on that jack and wiring the pad to the battery pin
19:34:15domonokywhy not just put new batterys in ? (or is it a archos recoder fm with the builtin battery ?)
19:35:01stevenmdomonoky, I've done that a few times. they are good batteries, but the life is just terrible anyway
19:35:26stevenmmaybe the unit is partially damaged, or it has something to do with an HD replacement, with the new drive pulling more A
19:35:29domonokymy old trusty archos player still gets about 10h with fresh batterys...
19:35:36stevenmNot bad !
19:35:44stevenmyea this hardly gets an hour
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19:36:01stevenmbut i want to install it in my car, so power won't really be an issue
19:36:25stevenmi have iaudio U2 to walk around with... still waiting for a port :)
19:36:32domonokythen why not connect directly to the battery contacts ? (with the correct regualtor of course)
19:36:40pixelmaare those such high capacity cells and you leave them a while before using again? Those high capacity ones often suffer from high self discharge
19:36:51*amiconn gets about 15 hours out of both his Player and Recorder
19:37:52stevenmCharged it overnight using 9V, then it died about half an hour later with moderate skipping. This has been going on for a long time. I never remember it having great battery life, even after I bought new cells... it may have been half-busted when it was given to me
19:38:39stevenmdomonoky, that is the idea... but connecting directly to battery terminals is kind of ugly, I thought... that's why I wanted to interanally wire it to the DC port
19:38:54*domonoky rembers something about broken voltage regulators in those old devices, which then draw much power but otherwise work..
19:39:18stevenmdomonoky, and I've got a 5V buck converter from National (back when you could get free samples...)
19:39:39pixelmadomonoky: I only know that about the Ondios but could be missing something there
19:39:41stevenmalthough you can sample similar single-unit regulators with higher efficiency and more output current from TI
19:40:17stevenmdomonoky, Hmmmm... do you know what type of regulator it is? linear/switching? who makes it?
19:40:29domonokystevenm: i would just cut the DC port interally off, und connect it with wires to where the battery is connected...
19:42:04stevenmdomonoky, that's what i have done for now. it's nice that you don't need to actually break anything. the kind folks at Archos seem to have installed a large 0-ohm resistor in series with the DC port that you can easily pull up
19:43:09domonokyyou could even put the voltage converter in the now empty battery slot, and connect 12v from the car to the dc connector :-)
19:43:30stevenmdomonoky, this is true... but unfortunately it doesn't fit, I tried
19:43:54stevenmit is an LM2825-5.0. Switching, good efficiency, with all the inductors, etc in a single package
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19:44:56stevenmbut a few months ago National started charging a $35 handling fee for the samples :(. The next best thing is say, PTN78000, but that is just barely too big also
19:45:38stevenmalthough the reg inside the archos is only $1.68, so maybe I try swapping that also
19:45:41amiconnstevenm: You should only charge either with the original *unregulated* 9V charger, or if you want to use a regulated one, you need a 12V type
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19:46:05stevenmamiconn, what do you mean by unregulated 9V charger?
19:46:09domonokywhy not just something like a LM1086 with two small condensators ? should be enough, and they are cheap..
19:46:10amiconnA regulated 9V charger will charge far too slow, resulting in an incomplete charge and very short runtimes
19:47:29amiconnstevenm: The original charger is an unregulated supply. It is specced 9V at full load (500mA), but since it's unregulated, its output voltage is >9V (about 10.5V) when feeding the archos (max. current ~350mA)
19:47:57stevenmamiconn, I tried charging both with 9V and 12V. I've got a nice power supply that provides that... often when it's plugged in and running at 9V, the HD will stall and the whole thing will flip out, so must use 12V
19:48:34stevenmamiconn, aah, I see. I don't actually have the original charger unfortunately. All I got was the unit, minus hard drive
19:48:56amiconnSure, if you batteries are in a low charge state the hdd will stall
19:49:19stevenmso it is also possible that the drive I put in draws more power than the drive that was there originally. though, i did not expect it to be THAT big a difference. THis one is speced for 800mA
19:49:31amiconnno
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19:50:06amiconnIf your batteries are in a low charge state, the archos won't work properly even if the charger is connected. This is expected and normal
19:50:27stevenmamiconn, makes sense
19:50:33domonokybut if stevenm wants to put it into the car, it may be better to remove the need for batterys, then no battery worries more, ever :-)
19:50:50amiconnThe charger isn't capable of feeding the archos on its own, it's just what it says: a charger. This is how the hardware is designed
19:51:35stevenmoh boy. this might explain a lot
19:52:04stevenmthe kid who gave me the recorder- apparently he tried to plug in a charger backwards and the thing started smoking
19:52:16stevenmthis is when i got it
19:52:28stevenmin this case i am impressed it works at all
19:53:30amiconnThen it might be that the charger chip is fried. It can be replaced; there should even be a guide in the wiki somewhere
19:53:36stevenmof course that could mean that there are a ton of parts to check. this charge circuit does not look simple
19:54:06amiconnThere's one single part that's almost always the problem if a recorder doesn't charge anymore
19:55:05stevenmit runs off wall power... kinda.. but as I said, battery life is crummy. is the charger chip that little 4-pin transistor-like thingy on the top of the interface board?
19:55:12stevenmsorry, I forget the package name
19:56:42*domonoky would just put a small circuit (~1€) into the battery slot, and provide power via the battery contacts.. input 12v unregulated to the dc port :-)
19:57:57stevenmdomonoky, what kind of regulator would you recommend that fits into the battery slot?
19:58:40ericabhey everyone; i appreciate the hard work on rockbox; i have a gigabeat S and was just curious what the progress is on its porting ?
19:59:28domonokyjust a small fixed voltage regulator (fitting the battery voltage) and two small capacitors, thats how i do it for most of my electronics projects..
19:59:52stevenmdomonoky, are you talking about a linear reg or switching ?
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20:00:35domonokyi dont know the correct terms, something like LM1086 ...
20:00:43n1sericab: progress has been slow, there's a more or less finished patch for charging in the tracker but the creator (JhMikeS) doesn't have much rockbox time currently
20:01:15n1sother than that most of the basics work but the battery time is pretty bad
20:01:32ericabahh ok.
20:01:52ericabis the installation process somewhat easy ?
20:01:52stevenmdomonoky, aah yes, I see.. that is linear, similar to 7805 and LM317
20:02:49stevenmdomonoky, I'm kinda afraid that is going to heat up and melt through the case, on account of being linear and dissipating a lot of power. there are regulators that don't just "burn off" the extra power but these are bigger and often require inductors
20:03:08n1sericab: it's not that difficult, but if you want dual boot (which you do since charging doesn't work yet in rockbox) youy need to aquire the Original firmwar which we cannot distribute and patch that...
20:03:56domonokystevenm: yeah, they can get very hot, true... :-)
20:04:06ericabok, thanks for the help n1s
20:04:47stevenmdomonoky, if you are building something battery powered that takes a lot of power, I recommend sampling a PTN78000 or similar. those things are nice.. we used them on a big project, and all for free
20:04:59amiconnstevenm: I can't find it right now, but iirc it was a transistor that's usually broken if recorder v1 doesn't charge anymore
20:06:23stevenmamiconn, that makes sense. Do you mean T3 in the schematic ?
20:06:40amiconnYes, I think that's the one
20:06:56stevenmexcellent
20:07:22stevenmamiconn, do you think that is what would blow first if the charger polarity was wrong?
20:08:52amiconnA hint: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0577.shtml
20:09:11stevenmwow.. that little thing is good to 7A
20:09:17stevenmamiconn, thanks
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20:10:29amiconnYou can check whether the box charges at all if you have a multimeter. Put it in series with the charger, and measure current
20:11:00stevenmamiconn, you know.. that is actually a very good idea
20:11:08stevenmi will do that when I am home
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20:11:37stevenmthis all sounds pretty doable, as long as digikey or something carries the parts
20:12:10*fxb is collecting iPod details (Last 3 chars of Serial #, Name, Generation, Color, Capacity, Model #, Product Family #). If anyone wants to contribute, just PM me with that info.
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20:12:32stevenmif i can't get the parts in time for my trip, I'll just stick with the external switching regulator. can't go without music... the only thing on the radio is jesus talk where i am going :(
20:12:42mcuelenaereBagder: ping
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20:13:37mcuelenaereBagder: did you get my last message?
20:13:59Bagderdid now, but no I've haven't yet managed that
20:14:16mcuelenaereok
20:14:49Bagdersteve c certainly doesn't add much to the ML either
20:15:06stevenmamiconn, oh hey, MC34063AD is a free sample too! yay
20:15:12stevenmanyways, off to lecture. Thanks all for the help!
20:15:24gevaertsfaemir: where do I find product family?
20:15:29gevaertsfxb: where do I find product family?
20:15:34*gevaerts apologises to faemir
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20:17:25fxbgevaerts: you can leave that out.
20:17:38gevaertsok
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20:36:13TENKHey, anyone know if someone is working on rockbox for the new Archos 5?
20:37:07Hillshumno
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20:37:12Hillshumit won't
20:37:57TENKI know there is no current version for it.. but no one will make one?
20:38:22gevaertsYou could make one
20:38:36meddowshowdy, i need some help installing rockbox! The utility installer doesn't recognize my ipod! Its really strange, because when i do autodetect it says my ipod is not supported, but its a 80g Video (5.5gen) −−> some help in pvt woul be appreciated! :)
20:39:02TENKi suppose thats possible :P
20:39:04gevaertsmeddows: are you sure it's a 5.5gen and not a 6gen?
20:39:15Nico_Pmeddows: was it formatted with a mac?
20:39:29domonokymeddows: if the util says is not supported its probably not formated.. maybe its a classic ?
20:39:34meddowsnop, it was formatted with windows
20:39:42domonokys/formated/supported
20:39:46meddowsyes, i think its classic
20:39:50meddowsbut its formated, alright
20:40:00Nico_Phmm also the util is smart enough to warn aout mac formatted ipods
20:40:02gevaertsThe one apple calls classic these days is 6th gen
20:40:05meddowsso, classic doesn't support classic :X
20:40:15domonokyi meant the utils knows right... its a classic
20:40:21domonokyrockbox doesnt run on those
20:40:32meddowsoh, i see... :|
20:40:53meddowsthat's really disappointing
20:40:54meddowslol
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20:45:24Hillshumokay
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22:15:46Bagderit runs on the main rockbox web site host
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22:16:17peturah
22:16:33peturdidn't it run at home at some point?
22:17:07*petur is just checking memory integrity
22:17:30Bagdernope
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22:20:02Bagderdid you keep your receipt?
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22:35:40peturI just read his mails and he clearly has a big problem....
22:36:07LloreanI don't think he has any real interest in solving his problem, or probably never did.
22:36:08Bagderindeed
22:36:32Bagderhe wants to spew rude comments and we're his target
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23:08:39pixelmamcuelenaere: there is some simulation of the touchscreen interface using the mouse as input in a sim, is the "raster" system in the plugins also supposed to work with it?
23:08:54mcuelenaereyes
23:09:07mcuelenaerelast time I tested it, it worked
23:10:13mcuelenaerewhat plugin(s) are you trying?
23:10:48BigBambigevaerts: I'm having a quick play with the MM3 for the hell of it. Running meizu_dfu gets to the "Clearing status..." I release M, but nothing happens and "Clearing status..." is still there. Any ideas what I'm doing stupidly? Do I need to unplug the M3, or leave it plugged?
23:11:44gevaertsBigBambi: The "Clearing status..." is normal. That's because it's designed for the normal firmware upgrade
23:12:04BigBambiOK, so that just stays until I ctrl-c it
23:12:18pixelmamcuelenaere: hmm, I have some changes in pegbox.c and it only affects the touchscreen part by using defines instead of bmpheight_PEGBOX_BLAH so shouldn't change anything with the raster thing but in a d2 sim only the "cross" interface seems to work for me
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23:13:37gevaertsBigBambi: The correct procedure for testing right now: hold play+M (backlight flashes briefly), plug in, release play, but hold M. Now run "meizu_dfu m3 rockboot.ebn rockboot.ebn" (possibly with sudo). Once it says "Clearing status", release M. Interesting things should happen now
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23:14:16pixelmamcuelenaere: oh, and the other change is breaking too long lines in the code... ;)
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23:14:28BigBambigevaerts: Hmm, I just did that (I think) (and yes, sudo is needed). Nothing happened, but I'll try again :) - probably a what pressign when issue
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23:15:54mcuelenaerehmm pixelma: could you give a diff?
23:16:08BigBambigevaerts: Nope - it gets to Clearing status fine, but then nothing happens
23:16:40mcuelenaerepixelma: you say only the 'cross' mode seems to work, does the 'touchscreen' method work without your patch?
23:16:56mcuelenaere(you know you can press F4 to switch between the 2 modes?)
23:16:56pixelmamcuelenaere: the raster interface doesn't work for me in jewels too, and I remember gevaerts showing this on his d2
23:17:06pixelmaah no...
23:17:09mcuelenaere:)
23:17:14mcuelenaerethen that's your problem
23:17:34gevaertsBigBambi: are you building correctly? (112, bootloader)
23:17:38BigBambiyep
23:17:52BigBambiat rev 18801, it built fine
23:18:22BigBambiI'll try building again
23:18:46BigBambiThere are lots of warning, but it builds ok
23:18:50BigBambils
23:18:54BigBambioops!
23:19:45mcuelenaerepixelma: you're sure gevaerts showed you jewels in raster mode?
23:19:57mcuelenaerebecause I never made a patch for that game (yet) and I haven't seen anyone else do
23:20:12pixelmanot anymore, but the pegbox changes are ok
23:20:16*gevaerts doesn't remember trying jewels on d2
23:20:24gevaertsBigBambi: how big is rockboot.ebn?
23:20:29pixelmasorry, misremembered then
23:20:33mcuelenaereok np :)
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23:20:51BigBambigevaerts: 43676
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23:21:10gevaertsThat's big... Here it's only 38156
23:21:16stevenmOkay. The power saga freaking continues.
23:21:22BigBambigevaerts: weird
23:21:27gevaertsAnd there are size issues. If it gets too big it stops working
23:21:37BigBambiI wonder why it is bigger here
23:21:54stevenmI thought AJB recorders were supposed to work at 4.8V. Mine is browning out and disk-stalling when battery input is 5V.
23:22:03stevenmWhat gives ?
23:22:16Lloreanstevenm: Old batteries?
23:22:23stevenmBattery input is a good, clean 5V supply good to 1A
23:22:28BigBambigevaerts: The only patches I have installed ar beast charging and c200 keymap - I can't see either of those affecting it
23:22:33BigBambi*are
23:22:38stevenmLlorean, nope
23:22:51BigBambiStill, I can try clean SVN
23:22:59Lloreanstevenm: Have you checked the solder to make sure it's not cracked. I don't know exactly where, but I think that symptom relates to some cracked solder that's common.
23:23:31gevaertsBigBambi: is your build environment up to date?
23:23:44stevenmLlorean, yup, opened it last night. everything was fine. It's clearly not getting enough power- backlight is going dim, etc.
23:24:03Lloreanstevenm: It may not be visible.
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23:24:35BigBambigevaerts: Built 21/09/08
23:24:44gevaertsThat's new enough
23:24:47BigBambiusing rockboxdev.sh
23:25:11stevenmDo I have to give the thing 6V? Even though they say specifically not to ??
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23:25:30Lloreanstevenm: Why on Earth would you do that?
23:25:51ballDo I need iTunes to put Rockbox on an iPod mini?
23:25:59Lloreanstevenm: The charge goes into the batteries, then the batteries provide power to the player. The problem is occurring between the batteries and thep layer
23:26:08Lloreanball: No, that's why the manual makes no mention of requiring it.
23:26:25stevenmLlorean, because 5V seems to be insufficient to power it. Furthermore, when giving a battery input of 5V, RB claims battery is empty, when, in fact, 5V is 0.2V above the nominal voltage for a charge set
23:26:57Lloreanstevenm: The power cable *only* charges the batteries.
23:26:59stevenmLlorean, the batteries are long busted, and so might be the charging circuit. That's just how I got it... I am now simply trying to power the device by putting 5V on the battery terminals
23:27:04LloreanIt does not poewr the player directly.
23:27:13ballLlorean: okay, I'll see if I can find me a manual on-line somewhere then.
23:27:19gevaertsstevenm: can you measure the actual voltage it gets when running?
23:27:23Lloreanstevenm: You should've mentioned you were bypassing the batteries.
23:27:43gevaertsball: the manual is clearly linked from the website
23:27:44ballLlorean: aha! guessed the url first time :-)
23:27:48LloreanI believe rechargable AAs are 1.4V so you're looking at an expected 5.6 normally, right?
23:27:52stevenmLlorean, I thought I said battery input was 5V.. but fair enough
23:27:57stevenmgevaerts, will do in a moment
23:28:01ballgevaerts: I've just arrived there now.
23:28:26Lloreanstevenm: You said "battery", how am I supposed to guess you mean "I've hooked a 5v line up to the battery terminals" rather than "I think the batteries are providing 5V"
23:28:29BigBambigevaerts: Really weird - with a clean checkout I get 38156 - one of the installed patches must be interferring with it
23:28:36pixelmaLlorean: I thought it was 1.2V but not sure at all
23:28:59Lloreanpixelma: I thought the range is 1.4 down to 1.2, but I may be wrong?
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23:29:45BigBambigevaerts: And now it works fine
23:29:59Lloreanstevenm: Even then, though, the joint soldering could be affecting you.
23:30:23LloreanEven with full power from good batteries, you could get the symptoms you're describing. So directly providing the equivalent voltage of batteries could still cause such symptoms.
23:30:28ballHow can I tell whether my iPod mini is first or second generation?
23:31:37stevenmgevaerts, it starts running at approximately 5.6V, and at this level, rockbox claims the battery is maybe 50% full.
23:31:49markunBigBambi: good to hear you are working on the meizu port now too!
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23:31:57BigBambihah!
23:32:10gevaertsstevenm: ok. That means the power supply is ok
23:32:14BigBambimarkun: I'm still trying to work out butons
23:32:42BigBambimarkun: I've spent ages writing down various versions, but I still don't really have any good ideas
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23:33:14markunwill be difficult
23:33:42ballI guess I have a 50/50 chance of picking the right one.
23:33:44*BigBambi awards markun an understatement prize :)
23:33:55Lloreanball: The Apple website should have details for identifying your iPod.
23:36:48ballI'm there now, but I'm seeing model numbers that start with M and mine seems to be an A1051
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23:37:45stevenmok seriously, why the hell won't it run on 5V? And why does rockbox think 5V is only 5% charge?
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23:43:48stevenmok, enter the Enormous transient suppression cap.
23:44:06stevenmboth in size and value
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23:45:23ballWell, I got rockbox on there, but the bootloader thing looks more difficult
23:45:23bertrikis it a stable 5V supply, or a "wall wart" configured at 5V?
23:46:06stevenmbertrik, a stable 5V, regulated down from an ATX supply's 12V by an LM2825-5.0 buck-boost regulator
23:46:09stevenmgood to 1A
23:46:31*ball wanders off in search of an iBook to use
23:46:31stevenmshowing no brownouts on the supply side.. at least ones I can pick up with a MM. No scope here to be sure though
23:47:05Lloreanstevenm: If you squeeze the sides of the case, does it reboot?
23:47:09stevenmalthough i'll drag it into the lab and scope the HDD supply if I have to
23:47:15stevenmlessee..
23:47:35bertrikdoes the current draw seem reasonable?
23:48:06stevenmLlorean, nope
23:49:09stevenmbertrik, 400-650mA
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23:49:21stevenm150mA w/o disk spin
23:50:33stevenmbertrik, this isn't the disk it came with, though.. that was dead before i got it. could be the issue I guess... but I thought these disks were happy at 5V
23:50:40bertrikok, doesn't look bad
23:50:49stevenmand that the disk is connected to battery directly, just thru a fet
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23:51:29ballShould I delete all of the music that iTunes put on this thing?
23:51:31webguest01does anyone use mediacoder 6.0 to transcode video for sansa e200
23:52:48stevenmwhat to do, what to do?
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23:53:01ballUgh... can't seem to mount this
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23:53:57stevenmand it keeps doing that goddamn BATTERY LOW: SHUTTING DOWN thing
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23:54:24stevenmit's got a freaking 5V. how is that "Low"? That is, if anything, overly high by NiMH standards..
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23:55:08ballUgh. This iBook launches iTunes whenever I connect the iPod
23:55:36ameyerstevenm: could "low" be lazy programmer for "out of spec"?
23:56:07ameyerlike, not actually expecting "too high"?
23:56:22stevenmameyer, I doubt it, because the battery graph actually shows very little
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23:58:45ameyerball: the HD capacity is etched on the back of the 2nd gen mini, the controls on the clickwheel are the same color as the body on the 2nd gen, and the 2nd gen mini's colors are brighter
23:58:59ameyerball: also, if it's gold, it's 1st gen

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