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#rockbox log for 2008-10-24

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00:22:37e200It ways on the homepage something about the e200v2 and a time does that mean it will support the e200v2 by that time?
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00:24:13webguest85It says on the homepage something about the sansa e200v2 and a time does that mean rockbox will work on the e200v2 by that time?
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00:24:34webguest85hello anyone there?
00:24:51webguest85Hello
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00:27:22robin0800no! it just means the wiki has been updated read the entry
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00:29:26webguest05Does anyone know if the thing on the homepage means rockbox will be released on the e200v2?
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00:41:18webguest07hello?
00:42:10bluebrotherhello
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00:42:32newnickhello?
00:42:35bluebrotherif you stay for like 1 minute only every time you're around, you really expect an answer?
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00:43:05bluebrotherpeople do other things the same time and don't pay 100% attention to this channel all the time
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00:44:14bluebrotherhave you finished deciding your nick?
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00:44:53e200v3I not really
00:45:09bluebrotherstop this nonsense. Now.
00:45:14e200v3I got an error with those nicknames sorry
00:45:56e200v3It says something on the homepage about the sansa e200v2 and a time does that mean rockbox will work on the v2 at that time?
00:46:15bluebrotherwhat time? We don't estimate timeframes.
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00:46:42e200v3there's a graph it says when what and something else
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00:46:47bluebrotherthe front page has various logs. This has nothing to do with releases
00:46:53e200v3oh
00:46:56bluebrotherthe front page has several tables but no graphs.
00:47:01e200v3so it isn't released for the v2?
00:47:11e200v3yeah tables that's what I ment
00:47:28bluebrothertable != graph ...
00:47:38e200v3well I don't know
00:47:56bluebrotherplease scroll a bit up. To the topmost box. Read the line starting with "Sandisk".
00:48:12e200v3I know it says it doesn't
00:48:13bluebrotherespecially the part in parenthenses
00:48:19e200v3yeah
00:48:20bluebrotherso why are you asking?
00:48:20e200v3...
00:48:33e200v3because it says something about it later
00:48:36e200v3and a time
00:48:49e200v3and I though it ment it would work on the v2 by that time
00:48:55e200v3thought*
00:49:00bluebrotherand IF you did follow the link to the wiki (which seems to be what you're referring to) you'd have found yourself what the current status is as that is on top of that wiki page
00:49:10bluebrotherand it reads: Rockbox does NOT run on the v2 players.
00:49:12e200v3so what was the time for then?
00:49:23e200v3it said something like 19:53
00:49:34bluebrotherand what's on top of that list?
00:49:38e200v3under the "when" part of the table
00:49:42pixelmaif you actually follow the link you are referring to you can read more about the status - the time is just the time that particular wiki page was last changed (the table has a header...)
00:49:54bluebrotherthere are four tables with "when" parts.
00:50:11bluebrotherpixelma: don't make it too easy ...
00:50:22e200v3I'm refering to the one that has sansa e200v2 under what
00:50:29e200v3?
00:50:33bluebrotherso what? Be exact.
00:50:37e200v3What do you mean don't make it to easy?
00:50:44bluebrotherplus, I asked you what's on top of that table written.
00:50:54bluebrotherI wasn't talking to you but pixelma
00:51:10e200v3It seems like he's trying to help me
00:51:27*bluebrother giggles
00:51:33e200v3It said when In one colum what in the other one and there was another one that I don't remember what it said
00:51:41e200v3giggles?
00:51:54bluebrotherso you are unable looking at that page again?
00:52:00e200v3pretty much
00:52:07peture200v3: I think the point has been made, now stop filling our logfiles with this nonsense
00:52:22bluebrotherMan, what's your problem? The top says "Recent activity", and on the table you're referring to it says "wiki".
00:52:22e200v3well I still don't have an answer
00:52:28e200v3yeah
00:52:31e200v3It does
00:52:38e200v3so what is the time beside it for?
00:52:44e200v3or is it not a time
00:52:44peturwho cares
00:52:49e200v3I do
00:52:59bluebrotherif you don't understand what this means ... well, I guess you aren't one of the people who will like Rockbox anyway.
00:53:16e200v3Isn't that the point a simpler firmware?
00:53:21bluebrotherno
00:53:24e200v3One with games?
00:53:33peture200v3: stop trolling. warning 1
00:53:37bluebrotherI really suggest reading the website. It has a link "Why"
00:53:42e200v3Fuck you
00:53:55peturplease don't do that
00:55:16pixelmamaybe a cause of confusion but the "today 19:something" is past - in the time zone of the servers. It's not something that'll happen in the future. And I already told what the time is for
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01:00:49ameyerdid someone kill his cgi:irc session or did he just leave?
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01:05:58peturjust bad luck I think (or maybe he closed the browser)
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01:09:56ameyerto answer his question, if he happens to google and find the log, the timestamp means that the code described in the changelog was committed to SVN at the time it says
01:10:06*ameyer wonders what time zone. GMT?
01:11:32peturyup
01:11:50linuxstbSome timestamps seem to be GMT, some are CET
01:12:23linuxstb(possibly with daylight savings adjustment...)
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01:23:41linuxstbNico_P: Still awake?
01:26:44Nico_Pyes
01:26:51Nico_Pnot for long though
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01:28:50linuxstbI was just wondering if there is always some free RAM in the audio buffer when get_metadata() is called for a track.
01:29:19Nico_Pwell, there is enough RAM to store the metadata
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01:29:57Nico_Pthe space where it's stored is already allocated
01:30:55linuxstbWhat about the case where track #1 is bigger than the buffer, and the metadata is read for track #2 (I'm assuming it is...)
01:32:18Nico_Pthen the bufopen call for the metadata will fail
01:32:34Nico_Pit'll go in a static buffer (lasttrack_id3)
01:33:14Nico_P(playback.c:1680)
01:34:28linuxstbWhy is it called lasttrack, and not nexttrack?
01:35:32Nico_Pbecause it's the metadata for the last track
01:36:06Nico_Pwell, it's actually the track after the last one that is buffered
01:36:21Nico_PI couldn't come up with a better name at the time
01:38:29linuxstbIs it always the track after "curtrack"? i.e. prevtrack, curtrack, lasttrack are three consecutive tracks?
01:39:00linuxstbAh no, it's the "last buffered", rather than always the one after the current track?
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01:39:50Nico_Pyes
01:40:05linuxstbOK, I understand, thanks. Time to sleep now...
01:40:09Nico_Pto be more precise, it's the first one that has no audio data buffered
01:40:44*Nico_P should also go to bed
01:41:22Nico_Pgood night ;)
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04:02:58RoseweaveHey guys :)
04:03:03RoseweaveAnyone active?
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04:04:11RoseweaveHey
04:05:24advcomp2019Roseweave, yes
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04:24:50RoseweaveHello
04:27:08advcomp2019Roseweave, hello
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04:33:03advcomp2019Roseweave, you needed something?
04:33:05RoseweaveHello :)
04:33:21RoseweaveI just wanted to ask how the FUZE support was coming along, it doesn't get mentioned much on the forums.
04:33:46RoseweaveI heard that there might never be rockbox for Fuze due to some difficulty :(
04:34:15advcomp2019i will say very little.. there is a wiki page about the v2 ports too
04:34:48RoseweaveVery little difficulty or very litle support?
04:34:55Roseweavethe v2 ports doesn't mention the FUZE specifically
04:35:15RoseweaveDo you know if the Fuze has a slightly more powerful CPU than the older Sandisks?
04:35:40advcomp2019but the fuze is a part of the v2 port
04:35:57RoseweaveHm
04:36:08RoseweaveDoes the v2 firmware work on Fuze then?
04:36:11RoseweaveI'm confused
04:36:25RoseweaveWhen it's ready, do I just flash the v2 firmware?
04:37:21advcomp2019i know there is more people working on the clipv1 and e200v2.. there is only a few people with the fuze right now
04:37:37RoseweaveAw that's a shame :(
04:37:47RoseweaveFrom you experience how long do you think it will take?
04:37:55RoseweaveIt would be nice if there was some breakthrough and it was done for christmas )
04:37:57Roseweave:)
04:39:17Unhelpfulit's generally not possible to give estimates, unfortunately
04:39:31RoseweaveIs there anything else cool I can do with my Fuze in the meantime I wonder
04:40:00RoseweaveHas anyone found the specifications with regards to the older model? Like, in terms of how much better the CPU performs than another model, if at all.
04:40:28advcomp2019you might want to read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaV2
04:42:20RoseweaveHmm I'm kind of worried about bricking it now :(
04:42:37RoseweaveBy "faulty code" does it mena an improper firmware, ori f I'm running some emulator and it crashes?
04:43:15advcomp2019here is another page with the status of the v2s: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus
04:43:34RoseweaveThank you :)
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04:45:02RoseweaveI guess I'm not in much of a hurry then, if there's a chance it'll render it useless I might as well get a good few months life out of it
04:45:04RoseweaveTo be sure
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04:47:35RoseweaveI'll get my DS repaired instead for now
04:47:48RoseweaveI think you do great work with Rockbox though
04:47:52RoseweaveI was very impressed reading through the thread
04:48:01RoseweavePeople picking stuff up tearing it apart and researching it
04:49:01RoseweaveThat kind of thing doesn't happen as much as it used to anymore, I think. Emulator devs especially have waned quite a lot. I think there's a generally more every man for himself you're not entitled to anything kind of attitude, so it's nice to see people working together again.
04:52:14advcomp2019please try not to fill the logs up since people read the logs
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06:33:41stevenmHello. Does anyone know how much current an h340 draws thru the DC IN port?
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06:45:13saratogastevenm: theres a wiki page with that info but i forget the name
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07:56:34mcontyquestion −− why doesn't rockbox recognize my 160gb classic? or is this classic different internally than earlier, smaller ones?
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07:59:34scorche|shmconty: we dont support the classic..
07:59:42mcontyoh
07:59:54mcontyi thought i saw it in the list ... musta been dreaming.
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08:00:00mcontyor maybe just wishing real hard...
08:00:18mcontywhat're the chances that you might some day support it?
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08:03:34scorche|shmconty: it is in the list...as something we *dont* support
08:03:42mcontyoh
08:03:49scorche|shbeing that no one is currently working on it, slim
08:04:01mcontyok, thanks for setting me straight on that
08:04:17mcontysaw it on a friend's nano, and it looked real slick
08:04:30mcontyheard your interview a week or so ago on FLOSS Weekly...
08:06:00mcontyanywho, thanks again..
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08:45:02adamgoldinghey guys.. still wondering if amarok2 will allow me to scrobbled MBIDs from my ipod.. has this been logged as a feature request?
08:49:07*JdGordon checks the channel...
08:49:12JdGordonnope this isnt #amarok
08:49:33adamgoldingoops, wrong channel, lol
08:49:36adamgoldingsorry
08:50:25adamgoldingalthough while i'm here, i'm wondering the same thing about rockbox
08:50:38UnhelpfulMBIDs?
08:50:39adamgoldingas far as i can tell, none of the scrobbling solutions scrobble MBIDs
08:50:47adamgoldingMusic Brainz IDs
08:51:04cool_walking_http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging says .scrobbler.log can optionally include it.
08:51:47adamgoldingthey're especially good for scrobbling classical music, since there's no consensus who goes in the artist field, and the tags themselves often do not uniquely identify a track
08:52:27Unhelpfulthe picard tag mapping is pretty clear on how to extract MBIDs for each metadata type
08:52:50Unhelpfuland picard is from musicbrainz, so it can probably be safely considered authoritative for MB tags?
08:53:21adamgoldingUnhelpful hmm? i was under the impressiont hat each track has an MBID, not each metadata type
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08:53:41adamgoldingUnhelpful yes.. the scrobbler would just need to read the MBID tag from the file and submit it to last.fm verbatim
08:54:07Unhelpfuladamgolding: you need to follow the tag mapping to know which tag to read. it's different for each metadata type
08:54:34adamgoldingsorry, i don't follow, from my understanding, there is a single tag which stores the MBID
08:55:37Unhelpfuladamgolding: there is no such thing as an "MBID" tag defined for pretty much any metadata format, by anybody besides MB.
08:55:56UnhelpfulMB says what the name of the tag is.
08:56:28adamgoldingUnhelpful oh, by "metadata type" i thought you meant like "Artist" "Track" and other field names
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08:56:39adamgoldingyes, the tag is specified by MB and mb alone
08:56:54adamgoldingbut as far as i understand, it is a single tag for each file
08:57:49Unhelpfulsomebody with better knowledge of metadata handling would have to say if extracting it would be easy to add... i'd expect so, you could always dig in the source and submit a patch
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08:59:52adamgoldingunfortunately my coding skillz are still rather limited :-)
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09:05:35JdGordonI think rockbox reads the mbid tag?
09:06:59JdGordonyep, its read (and scrobbled) for mp3, mp4 and asf containers...
09:07:26adamgoldingoh, it scrobbles the MBID?
09:07:36adamgoldingnice.. whcih scrobbling methjod? i remember there were several..
09:08:01cool_walking_Rockbox writes a .scrobbler.log file, which is read and uploaded by a separate PC program.
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09:08:19JdGordonscrobbler version 1.1 apparently
09:08:40cool_walking_http://rockbox.org/wiki/LastFMLog
09:09:22cool_walking_JdGordon: I think the log file is the same either way, it's the PC app that has to handle 1.1/1.2.
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09:11:31cool_walking_oh.. there's a separate version number for the log file format and the upload protocol.
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09:15:31adamgoldingyeah JdGordon where'd you get the info/idea that it submits MBIds fromt hsi chart?
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09:21:11JdGordonadamgolding: I searched the code...
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09:21:32cool_walking_Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place or not understanding, but from apps/scrobbler.c I don't think Rockbox is logging the MBID.
09:21:52Unhelpfulmy .scrobbler.log agrees w/ that - all my tracks are tagged w/ picard
09:22:14adamgoldingUnhelpful agrees with JdGordon or cool_walking_ ?
09:22:29Unhelpfulw/ cool_walking_.
09:22:41Unhelpful...the person who spoke right before me?
09:24:32JdGordon.mp3 ?
09:24:50adamgoldingUnhelpful how did you determinet that from your log, just that the MBIDs are not present in the log anywhere?
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09:25:03JdGordonis the tag named "http://musicbrainz.org" (without quotes)?
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09:25:24Unhelpfuladamgolding: yes, but perhaps the code has changed since those log entries were written
09:25:27JdGordon"musicbrainz track id" for mp4
09:25:39Unhelpfulscrobbler.c certainly seems to be logging them...
09:25:40JdGordon"MusicBrainz/Track Id" for asf
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09:26:34linuxstbIt appears to be a relatively new feature - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=18732
09:26:47UnhelpfulJdGordon: it's a UFID tag on mp3
09:27:08Unhelpfulsilly structured tag data format :/
09:27:12JdGordonthat would be why then
09:27:29adamgoldinglinuxstb that is assuming scrobbler 1.1 version logs include MBIDS?
09:27:34cool_walking_Ah.. my working copy is out of date.
09:27:52JdGordonoh no... UFID is correct
09:27:55linuxstbadamgolding: ?
09:28:05JdGordonUnhelpful: whats the full text of the tag?
09:29:09adamgoldinglinuxstb your link shows the new feature of supporting scrobbler 1.1 version logs. how do we conclude from that that MBID tags are stored in the log?
09:29:09linuxstbadamgolding: a) From reading the actual patch; b) From the FS task it links to
09:29:09Unhelpfuladamgolding: i'm reading the source. it writes the tag to the log.
09:29:39adamgoldingoh, and cool_walking_ was just out of date
09:29:57adamgoldingso the remaining question regards the uploader programs
09:31:15Unhelpfulwhy the heck is google failing me :/
09:31:42adamgoldingwe knew google wouldl turn on its master one day :-)
09:34:10UnhelpfulJdGordon: UFID tags have the frame ID 'UFID'. the frame contents give an ID owner, the 'http://musicbrainz.org' you were looking for, a single NULL byte, and the rest of the tag is the ID
09:34:27ameyerUnhelpful: because google results aren't what they used to be
09:34:45Unhelpfulameyer: also because i typo'd 'id3v2'
09:34:48*ameyer isn't sure whether to blame the SEOtards or google
09:34:53ameyerUnhelpful: that too
09:37:26ameyerUnhelpful: although google tends to be way too forgiving when you make a typo
09:40:21UnhelpfulJdGordon: looking at the metadata parsing now...
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09:46:35*Unhelpful wonders why MB chooses to tag these as text... id3v2.4 spec seems to say UFID tags are binary data, and certainly 16 bytes of binary would save space vs 37 bytes of text...
09:52:11Unhelpfulok, i can confirm that my build from a few days ago is logging MBIDs, or trying to. something isn't right.
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09:53:45adamgoldingUnhelpful there's a #musicbrainz channel btw, they might know about that encoding stuff
09:54:39Unhelpfulhere's what rockbox logs as the ID: e8b2d965-e2bc-MusicBrainz Album Release Country
09:57:26Unhelpfulthat seems to happen to all of the MBIDs that it's logged for my MP3 files, so somehow the MBID data is getting overwritten in memory by other tags - there's a TXXX tag with the desc field as 'MusicBrainz Album Release Country', but i have no idea how that data is landing in the buffer for the MBID
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09:57:51adamgoldingthe only info i have to offer is the spec here:
09:57:51adamgoldinghttp://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Protocol1.1
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10:05:46Unhelpfuladamgolding: that's not really relevant to what i'm describing
10:05:56adamgoldingok, i wasn't sure
10:13:03linuxstbUnhelpful: Have you confirmed your tags are correct in the file? If so, then maybe the id3 parser in Rockbox needs to add the terminating zero?
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10:14:21linuxstbAh no, it's not the terminating zero...
10:14:48Unhelpfullinuxstb: yes, they're correct in the file, eyeD3 and picard both read them correctly, and use different code to do so. it's not merely running off the end of the string, the string is being overwritten. the first 14 bytes are from the MBID, the rest is the desc tag from that TXXX frame
10:16:04Unhelpfulconfirmed it works fine with vorbis.
10:16:14Unhelpfuldon't have anything else handy, and can't spend any more time on it now.
10:18:18*n1s suggests filing a bug report
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10:27:15Unhelpfulwhen i'm less busy catching up on neglected work, gladly. ;)
10:30:13linuxstbThis field should probably also be added to the browse_id3() screen as well...
10:38:14pixelmaspeeking of which
10:38:44pixelmaspeaking too
10:38:59linuxstbIndeed...
10:39:59linuxstbpixelma: So are you against the change to the ID3 screen?
10:41:41pixelmaI don't have a very strong opinion but I'm not sure if the (code) complication is worth it. Also because the screen will change dynamically now, something that's at least controversary
10:43:10pixelmain all, I'm against it, slightly
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11:07:49*n1s doesn't comment on the ml as that screen is among the many parts of rockbox he doesn't use
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11:49:08linuxstbn1s: Have you thought about adding keymaps for other targets to calendar.c?
11:50:22n1slinuxstb: yes, the same guy posted a patch in FS #9224 that adds support for all rtc targets but it's out of sync
11:51:27n1sI looked into syncing it but there were some inconsistencies with the later patch so i'd rather he'd do it
11:51:31*linuxstb catches up with his emails...
11:52:09linuxstbIs the other calendar plugin still an open task?
11:52:46*linuxstb sees that it is
11:52:54linuxstb(FS #4760)
11:56:46n1sIt's only real feature that the calendar we have now wouldn't match with a few small improvements is the multi line keyboard thingy
11:58:31n1si wonder how hard it would be to let our on screen keyboard edit over multiple lines
11:59:10*n1s would actually use the calendar if it would support ical
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12:08:12linuxstbThat's one thing I would quite like on the Rockbox keyboard - navigation keys. I can never remember the buttons to use...
12:08:25amiconn?
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12:10:15linuxstbamiconn: What are you questioning?
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12:27:07n1sis there any way for a function to know how much stack is free?
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12:28:47mitchelwebguest6hello?
12:28:57Tuplanollahello
12:29:59mitchelwebguest6I have installed rockbox with voice on the sansa e280. it works but how do I get music on it?
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12:30:44n1smitchelwebguest6: just copy files to it
12:30:52Tuplanollahow? have you tried uploading music to the device (preferably to the MUSIC subdir) and selecting database from the menu? ;)
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12:31:55n1sor you could select "Files" from the main menu after copying files to it and just browse to them on the player
12:31:57mitchelwebguest6the player is now in msc mode. how can I change this?
12:32:17n1smitchelwebguest6: why would you want to change that?
12:32:42Nico_Pn1s: there's a percentage value in a debugging screen
12:32:49Nico_P"view thread stacks" IIRC
12:33:34n1sNico_P: yes, but i was thinking of a way to figure out how much stack i can allocate without overflowing
12:33:44n1si mean in a dynamic alloc
12:34:24*n1s thinks the sim lies about stack usage though :)
12:35:20linuxstbn1s: What are you looking at, Tremor?
12:36:35n1slinuxstb: yes, just playing around with it a bit, some allocs are pretty small and could go on the stack but it would be nice to not risk overflowing...
12:36:55linuxstbCouldn't they instead use (share) a fixed buffer?
12:37:17linuxstbI guess the problem is that the stack is iram...
12:37:47*linuxstb assumes no recursion...
12:38:20n1si haven't looked at it very much but the one i tried now was allocating 256 bytes most of the time
12:38:55linuxstb"most" ? Were the others smaller or larger?
12:39:29n1sa few smaller, i haven't investigated that much really :)
12:39:40n1sno larger for my test files though
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12:40:42linuxstbMaybe we could introduce some hard limits for these alloca calls, and then see if people complain...
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12:55:57n1sstack usage increased from 19% to 21% with that small change so i guess we have a bit of headroom but i'm not comfortable doing stuff like this if i don't know the max values it will get...
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13:05:46linuxstbCan you tell how many bits are used to store the number used to calculate the size of the alloca? I would guess that's probably going to give a very large maximum though...
13:10:34linuxstbThe floor0.c alloca seems straightforward - there's a comment saying m is between 0 and 255, so a maximum of 1024 bytes.
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14:02:13n1slinuxstb: I don't know the code(c) well enough to tell and i'm pretty sure allocating INT_MAX bytes isn't desired :)
14:03:12linuxstbI mean trying to trace the code back, to find out where the numbers come from originally.
14:03:20linuxstbI don't know the codec at all either...
14:04:15n1sThat is the problem with tremor, the code is very resistant to reading :/ but yes that is what someone should do
14:05:30*linuxstb looks at the ffmpeg vorbis decoder, but sees floats...
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14:06:02n1smaybe we can use the tremor mdct etc and the rest from ffmpeg?
14:06:50linuxstbYes, someone should try that ;)
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14:42:00larstobiCongrats with release 3.0! I used Rockbox on my old Ipod Nano 1. gen, and it rocked! Now I need a new player, but none of the supported models displayed here http://www.rockbox.org/download/ are still in sale. Is there a musicplayer that is both supported by Rockbox and is still in sale?
14:43:02n1slarstobi: in short: no
14:43:19LambdaCalculus37Not new, anyway.
14:43:22n1sused older players should be possible to come by though
14:43:33LambdaCalculus37But there's always Froobi with their Sansa e200 sale: http://www.froobi.com/SanDisk-Sansa-e270-6GB-MP3-Media-Player-w-FMVoice-Recorder-Factory-Recertified-Rockbox-Ready_p_0-32282.html
14:43:44LambdaCalculus37And those are v1 Sansas, which will work with Rockbox.
14:44:00linuxstbIsn't that US only though?
14:44:16Zagorbut larstobi looks to be in norway, where froobi won't ship
14:44:18larstobiI am in Norway, but I may be able to get it shipped here, though
14:44:34larstobiI have a proxy address in the U.S.
14:44:54Zagorah, nice
14:45:55larstobiI will check out that Sansa, thanks! :-)
14:48:43larstobiWow, Froobi even says: "Factory-Recertified & Rockbox Ready"! Does the Rockbox team have a deal with the Froobi store?
14:51:31Zagornope. but they know what their customers want. :-)
14:52:59larstobinice. :-)
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15:16:07kugelNico_P: Hey, I've read the logs. While you're messing with PF, you could also take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8335 again :)
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15:52:26Rayohi, how do you start a new port or figure out how to use the different hardware? it's not a mp3 player but a universal remote, the firmware can be extracted but where to start? analyzing the hardware?
15:52:52linuxstbRayo: We have a handy step-by-step guide ;) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
15:54:06Rayohm and when i don't want to disassemble the hardware?
15:54:06linuxstbGenerally the first thing is to find out what hardware is inside (CPU and other major chips), and to find out how to run your own code (normally by hijacking any existing firmware upgrade method)
15:58:19Rayound how can i reverse engineering? which tool does support microcontroller code?
15:59:33linuxstbIt depends what the microcontroller is. Do you know that?
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16:01:55Rayoi think its a pic but i must check it first, i try to open it without any damage :)
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17:02:51kushal_12_27_200hi, I have a sansa c250 with rockbox. Lately it takes too long to load the database in the OF
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17:05:27linuxstbkushal_12_27_200: Here are some ideas - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16411.0
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17:18:25kushal_12_27_200thanks
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17:23:12linuxstbHas anyone ever looked at the mikmod plugin, with a view to committing it? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8806
17:24:07mooslinuxstb: Mr. Someone? ;)
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17:26:46LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I honestly think that the mikmod plugin should be implemented as proper codecs as opposed to a plugin.
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17:28:04linuxstbCan it be? e.g. what are the memory requirements?
17:29:07LambdaCalculus37http://sourceforge.net/projects/mikmod/ <−− Found its SF page.
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17:37:12pixelmalinuxstb: I believe preglow had a look at the plugin when it was in earlier stages (shortly after committing the current mod codec, IIRC) at which I remember him being disappointed. But I think that there was quite a bit of development of the plugin since then
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17:38:06linuxstbpixelma: Yes, I read his comments in the task, and it looks like most of them have been addressed. But I guess the question is whether we want to commit it as a plugin?
17:38:42*linuxstb has zero tracker music, so doesn't care - it just seems to be another of those useful patches rotting on the tracker...
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17:43:07LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Plus it seems to have problems on the Gigabeat. I could try the patch out later to see exactly what those issues are.
17:43:52n1slinuxstb: it's also one of the this-should-be-done-in-a-better-but-more-difficult-way (as a codec)
17:44:12LambdaCalculus37n1s: I agree.
17:44:13linuxstbn1s: Hmm, we've closed those in the past...
17:44:49moosn1s: speaking of this, what's about MIDI plugin?
17:44:58n1simho the midi plugin should be a codec too but i'm not motivated to dive in to it
17:45:10mooshehe :))
17:45:23linuxstbIsn't the problem with midi that it needs a large patchset loaded?
17:45:41LambdaCalculus37IIRC yes.
17:47:37n1slinuxstb: if i understood Nico_P right it should be possible to put that in the audio buffer as metadata for the track
17:47:55n1sso you have a 10kB track with 4MB metadata :)
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17:48:31linuxstbBut isn't metadata discarded when the track starts playing? I guess that could be changed though. But we also wouldn't want to buffer it multiple times for different midis.
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17:51:22n1slinuxstb: i think we would have to with the current buffering system, and imho it's not worth it to add lots of complications to the buffering just for midi...
17:52:57linuxstbBut don't we still have the general "non-streaming codecss" problem to solve? i.e. giving the codecs the file in a single contiguous block of RAM?
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18:19:13Nico_Plinuxstb: no, metadata isn't discarded when the track starts playing. the codec is
18:20:24linuxstbI thought it was copied into the static buffer?
18:20:46Nico_Pit is, but what's on the main buffer isn't discarded
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18:21:45linuxstbIt must be discarded at some point?
18:22:57Nico_Pwhen the track is
18:23:44linuxstbWhat if the track is longer than the buffer, or rebuffering starts?
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18:24:34Nico_Pthe metadata is moved to make room
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18:27:53linuxstbWhy is that, if there's a static buffer?
18:29:45Nico_Pthe metadata might still be needed later on in case of a skip backwards, or similar cases
18:36:26Nico_Plinuxstb: in some cases it's probably more efficient to just remove the metadata from the audio buffer, but that would likely add some complexity
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18:57:41MarcGuaykushal, linuxstb: FYI that stuff about disabling the database refresh is also in the Sansa FAQ.
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19:02:54JaboneIf i want to try out rockbox on my sansa e200v2 what do I have to do
19:03:27JaboneI've downloaded the git repository on my computer but don't know that to do?
19:04:10domonokyJabone: you know that there is not much to try ? (no display or else in rockbox, just booting into the of works)
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19:05:24Jabonedomonoky: yeah I know but anyway would to try the bootloader :)
19:06:54domonokyJabone: then use the normal build process to create a bootloader.. then give the bootloader and the of to the make in rbutil/mkamsboot/
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19:08:06domonokythis creates a patched of binary, which can the be put on your player, like a normal of upgrade..
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19:26:43bertrikThere seems to be e200v2 display code already but I think it doesn't work yet. We should be able to light up the backlight now and perhaps make testing the e200v2 display code a little bit easier.
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19:42:23kugelIt'd be nice if someone could help identify the lcd controller for the Fuze (maybe it's the same as the e200v2 one?). I have a fuze, but I have too little experience in disassembling, I doubt I'd spot lcd related code in the disassembly
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19:48:14linuxstbbertrik: You own a clip?
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19:53:06funmanspeaking of the Clip I have found a strange relation between what I write and then read back from SDRAM
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19:54:02funmanAt offset 0x30000000+4*i, I write 0x30000000+4*i
19:54:28funmanand I read (x<<16)|x , where x = ((i >> 2 /* * 4 = << 2 */) << 4) %(1<<16)
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19:54:57funmanI'm not sure if this equation has any useful meaning
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19:55:50funmanif someone owns an e200v2 it'd be worth running my code to see if the same results are meet
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19:59:22Jabonefunman: I have e260v2
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20:01:13funmanJabone: can you check that then ?
20:02:36bertriklinuxstb, yes I own a clip
20:03:24Jabonefunman: I can check if I can have some instruction how to make that
20:03:40Jabonehaven't done those things before
20:03:49funmanare you a programmer?
20:04:49Jabonesomewhat, been doing java for a while
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20:06:55funmanok, I think if you want to help on a rockbox port you need to know at least C.
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20:07:26IudeXHi all :)
20:07:51Jabonefunman: I've been doing c also, not so experienced in it though
20:08:19funmanJabone: then you have a good way to get this experience ;)
20:08:25Jabone:)
20:08:29IudeXfunman: I want to ask you something.
20:08:55*gevaerts points IudeX towards the channel guidelines
20:09:09*bluebrother wonders why IudeX isn't asking then ...
20:09:20IudeXsry wait im translating
20:09:22IudeX:)
20:09:40IudeXIs there any progress in Clip rockboxing?
20:09:53Jabonefunman: I'll come back in half an hour, I can test your code then.
20:09:54IudeXAre*
20:10:10IudeXMy English isn't very well... :/
20:10:28funmanIudeX: no, not much. can you help in any way ?
20:10:44bertrikyes, the displays works, button readout works, codec communication works, we probably identified the flash controller and the sdram controllers too
20:11:25funmanwell, I'm a bit pessimistic :) there has been some progress but these days it is becoming a bit slower.
20:11:28IudeXI can help.
20:11:38IudeXfunman: But in what?
20:11:41funmanbertrik: how far did you get on I2C support ?
20:12:10funmanIudeX: reverse engineering the SanDisk firmware to understand what is missing to use SDRAM and SD/NAND
20:12:26bertrikfunman, it works, I can read and write, there's a patch up at FS #9503
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20:13:27IudeXfunman:So ok. I'll think about it
20:13:31bertrikit's polled though, and only 1 byte at a time. The OF also does 1 byte at a time but uses interrupts
20:14:32funmanIudeX: I can give you some pointers on where to look in the OF (Original Firmware) disassembly if you want.
20:15:49IudeXfunman: on email?
20:17:09bertrikdomonoky confirmed that codec communication works on his m200 "v2" too
20:17:35funmanIudeX: or on this channel if you want. I have been disassembling the Clip firmware version 01.01.29
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20:18:05IudeXok
20:18:22bertrikIudeX, do you know ARM assembly?
20:18:27funmanbertrik: good news, now do we need to understand the meaning of each address ? (ex: serial ID at address 0x38)
20:19:07bertrikfunman, the addresses are all in the datasheet and basically identical to the ones in older as35xx chips
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20:24:42IudeXbertrik: not too much
20:25:30linuxstbIudeX: Again, this is a great way to learn...
20:26:42IudeXlunuxstb: I think so too.
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20:28:55IudeXSo when we can see a rockboxed sansa v2? (bad English...)
20:29:13IudeXMaybe in august?
20:30:07bluebrotherIudeX: we don't estimate timeframes
20:30:24bluebrotherdoing so will be almost arbitrarily wrong. It's done when its done.
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20:31:24bertrika pretty good guess it about half a year after sandisk stops manufacturing it :P
20:31:47bluebrothernow estimate when sandisk will stop manufacturing it ;-)
20:32:22BigBambi17/01/2009
20:32:28BigBambiAre we having a sweepstake?
20:32:47bluebrotherBigBambi: you sure it isn't 01/17/2009?
20:33:09BigBambibluebrother: I'm sure, I use logical dates :)
20:33:19BigBambi2009/01/17 would be better :)
20:34:21bluebrotherno, then it should be 2009-01-17 :P
20:34:44*gevaerts thinks that people who want a proper date shouldn't do that in #rockbox ;)
20:35:04BigBambivery true
20:37:57IudeXyeap
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20:50:28funmanbertrik: what's the drawback of using active polling versus interrupts ?
20:50:35funman(for I2C communication)
20:52:15funmanI could use your work to write interrupts support (if it's worth of course)
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21:00:17amiconnfunman: Wrong interface width and/or bank mux setting
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21:03:52funman_amiconn: sorry I don't understand what you mean
21:04:13amiconn[19:54:01] <funman> At offset 0x30000000+4*i, I write 0x30000000+4*i
21:04:13amiconn[19:54:28] <funman> and I read (x<<16)|x , where x = ((i >> 2 /* * 4 = << 2 */) << 4) %(1<<16)
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21:04:47funman_ah ok :) I thought you were answering my last question. Thanks
21:05:36amiconnI guess this is probably due to the either a wrong interface width (the SoC might be set to 32 bit while the DRAM is actually 16 bit), or a wrong bank mux setting (the point where the address is split in row and column address)
21:05:41amiconnProbably both
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21:24:39bertrikfunman, using interrupts instead of polling makes avoid wasting cpu power in a wait loop
21:24:57bertrikwe could yield() to reduce that ofcourse
21:25:16bertrikI think the portalplayer i2c driver also uses polling instead of interrupts
21:26:02funmanand how can the core be notified that an interrupt occured: is there a callbacks system in rockbox ?
21:27:58amiconnYou define an isr
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21:29:01funmanso the isr has to use an event notification system for each interrupt ?
21:30:26amiconnDepends on what needs to be done in response to the interrupt
21:30:52funmanof course ;) I need to read other i2c code in rockbox
21:31:44amiconnI'm not sure that there is an interrupt based i2c driver in rockbox
21:32:00amiconnThere are many (other) examples for isrs though
21:32:12funmanTIMER*() for example
21:32:37bertrikI think it's not a very big deal now
21:34:48rasherSimulator builds of Rockbox 3.0.1: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator-release/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator-release/
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21:51:57bertrikfunman, how sure are you about the PL172?
21:52:20funmanit's mentioned in the as3525 datasheet and the registers fit perfectly
21:52:54funmanon page 8 : "Related documents"
21:53:21funman"The PrimeCell MPMC offers:" on page 28 as well
21:54:22bertrikok
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21:56:44funman"the SDRAM column and row width and number of banks are computed automatically from the address mapping" and this address mapping is mentioned in the OF, and matches with the definitions mentioned in the PL172 datasheet (16Mbit for the Clip, 128 for the e200v2)
21:58:04bertrikso do you use the exact same memory controller settings as the OF or did you have to make a guess?
21:58:16funmanfor the Clip it is low power SDRAM
21:58:42funmanI try to use the exact same settings, but due to the way they are written and read to/from the stack I may miss something
21:58:56funmanI have committed what I had in the git repository if you want to double check
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22:08:22funmansorry it is 64Mbit for the e200v2 (8Mbytes)
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22:14:59Jabonehi, I've been trying to compile binutils for rockbox and sansa, but in binutils make gives error: *** [cplus-dem.o] error 1
22:16:07funmanyou should paste (on a pastebin) the complete errors before this message
22:16:20Jaboneok
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22:31:30DefineByteAre there any targets that don't need buttons held down (e.g. to access menus etc.)? I'm looking to create a target with discreet buttons for every action.
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22:33:12DefineBytethis is regarding the simulator btw.
22:33:15DefineByte:)
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22:38:11domonokyi dont think we have a target with this much buttons :-)
22:38:44DefineBytewould it be easy to add them?
22:39:06DefineByteby easy I mean, easy for me. >.> :D
22:39:12DefineByteso very easy
22:40:43DefineByteI'm trying to make a rockbox sim that I can use as a player on PC controlled with a remote.
22:41:25DefineByteit doesn't have any press/release events, hence the query.
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22:50:52domonokyDefineByte: shouldnt be too hard.. take a look at the keymaps apps/
22:51:01domonokyapps/keymaps
22:51:08DefineByte:) thanks
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22:52:41domonokyof course you have to first define the additional buttons somewhere (firmware/target/..../button-target.h) and map them in the button.c in uisimulator/sdl/button.c to your remote input...
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23:03:48DefineByteWell, I'm not entirely confident but I'll give it a go. Thanks again. :)
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23:07:27DefineByte*carrier reset by peer*
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23:22:09RiddleUnder the wiki it says something about the sansa e200v2 what does that mean?
23:22:57krazykitRiddle, why not click the link and find out
23:23:11RiddleI did yesterday
23:23:12domonoky"something" probably means something...:-)
23:23:27RiddleO ok, thanks I think
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23:24:02*bluebrother wonders if that was the same guy as yesterday not understanding what "Recent activity" means ...
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23:25:18RiddleOk I checked and it said the same thing as yesterday, it doesn't work
23:26:41funmanRiddle: you should check every 6 months, this is not likely to change soon
23:26:59Riddlethen why is it under the wiki?
23:27:28funmanto answer people wondering if it works or not
23:27:31funmanlike you
23:27:39bluebrotherRiddle: hello e200 ... or e200v2? newnick? wee? e200v3?
23:27:48Riddlewho?
23:28:16bluebrotherthe answer to your question is the same as yesterday ... it's in the "Recent changes" section. Not announcements, future plans or whatever
23:28:30RiddleI didn't ask anything yesterday...
23:28:32bluebrotherRiddle: you. We can read IP addresses ...
23:28:47RiddleOh well fuck you too
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23:49:55webguest1Why is it that when I reset my ipod, the Rockbox firmware does not start up?
23:52:57BigBambiHow are you resesting it, where are you reseting it from, are you pressing any buttons just after reset, is hold on, what ipod, what version of Rockbox, has Rockbox ever worked?
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