#rockbox 2008-11-07

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#rockbox log for 2008-11-07

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00:00:55	planetbeing	denes_: check out planetbeing/iphonelinux/tree/master/trunk/openiboot/ftl.c">http://github.com/planetbeing/iphonelinux/tree/master/trunk/openiboot/ftl.c
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00:02:17	planetbeing	denes_: So it looks for the magic in the first pages, and also the DEVICEINFOBBT thing in the last blocks of each bank.
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00:16:43	funman	I found the source of my crashes: bss isn't cleared entirely
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00:17:40	funman	tick_funcs , threads, cores, and lcd_framebuffer are past the '_end' limit defined in as3525/boot.lds and used in crt0.S
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00:23:43	funman	they seem to be in common
00:29:46	amiconn	common needs to go into .bss of course
00:30:01	funman	a few linker scripts mention it
00:30:13	amiconn	Check some other target's .lds files (e.g. imx31/boot.lds)
00:30:42	funman	i did, but shouldn't _all_ targets .lds use it ?
00:31:09	funman	example: sandisk/boot.lds
00:31:36	amiconn	ehum....
00:31:38	funman	which surely was the example i copied
00:31:57	*	amiconn thinks funman spotted a fundamental bug in several ports
00:32:09	krazykit	that they're not written in java?
00:32:14	funman	:)
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00:33:10	funman	that surely explains the bug vitja had - a commit in completely unrelated code breaking a few targets
00:33:37	*	amiconn wonders whether this is the cause of the usb reboot bug on PP...
00:33:51	Zagor	while on the subject of .lds files, what is the difference between specifying STARTUP(crt0.o) in the lds file and putting it on the linker command line among all other object files?
00:33:55	amiconn	ipod also doesn't put common into .bss
00:37:24	amiconn	Hmm, this bug seems to only affect boot.lds (of various targets)
00:37:48	funman	archos FM radio disappearing ?
00:38:08	amiconn	huh?
00:38:32	funman	well just thinking about weird bugs
00:39:01	amiconn	There is no such bug. Maybe you mean Sansa (v1)?
00:40:08	funman	FS #2660
00:40:10	pixelma	there is an old bug report for this in the tracker and someone asked yesterday if this and the radio disappearing on c200 (maybe e200 too) are basically the same
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00:40:38	funman	it's the oldest bug listed
00:42:43	amiconn	Well, archos app.lds does include common
00:43:13	funman	is app.lds for the bootloadeD firmware ?
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00:43:29	amiconn	And there is no boot.lds, as there is no (mandatory) rockbox bootloader on archos
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00:45:54	amiconn	Eh, there is a (correct) boot.lds
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01:05:18	amiconn	funman: Only arm targets are actually affected: as3525, ipod, iriver, olympus, philips, sandisk. Shall I fix it? (The archos self-extractor also has the bug, but it doesn't cause problems there. I'd fix it as well of course)
01:05:57	funman	yes please, i don't know much about linker scripts and sections, i preferred to ask you
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01:12:13	funman	weird .. the OF mentions a reference clock of 64MHz (supposedly the peripheral clock but it is running at 24MHz)
01:14:20	funman	ok .. if i use the OF controller init, my sd_init_card() works fine
01:14:38	funman	i'll replace the OF functions one by one and and see
01:15:17	funman	hmm .. no i'm misreading the results - the function crashes :o
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01:15:46	funman	or deadlocks (i must surely disable the interrupts)
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01:39:11	jpt9	Hey.
01:39:20	jpt9	Are you guys working on a port to the Sansa Clip? I noticed there's a simulator.
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01:51:03	HBK	no, no the simulator is just for themeing game boy advance emulators
01:51:45	mc2739	jpt9: yes, there is a port in the works for the clip. Here is the forum thread for it - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
01:52:09	jpt9	does it actually run on the devices? I couldn't find any daily builds.
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01:52:36	jpt9	(Just so you know, I have a Sansa e250R that's happily Rockboxed. The Sansa Clip is so freaking cute that I might get one just as another rockbox device!)
01:53:02	HBK	there are no builds yet
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01:53:16	HBK	not that work, at least
01:53:47	jpt9	ah.
01:54:25	jpt9	Rockbox rocks, in case you haven't heard :-)
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01:54:41	*	jpt9 would love a full-screen SDL-powered version for PCs.
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01:55:06	jpt9	(With the ability to redirect the file browser to another directory...)
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02:01:10	*	jpt9 is horribly confused as to the key mapping on the clip simulator...
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02:04:57	funman	jpt9: the simulator is here so someone can start working on keymaps :)
02:05:05	jpt9	ah.
02:05:18	jpt9	yeah... they mapped both volume and prev/next track to left and right :-)
02:05:22	jpt9	wait a sec...
02:05:25	jpt9	i'm an idiot.
02:05:53	jpt9	Doesn't the clip have dedicated volume controls?
02:06:03	funman	i just copied the keys from the e200, changing scroll wheel into prev/next
02:06:05	funman	yes it has
02:06:46	jpt9	ah.
02:07:31	jpt9	Once there's a working build with a reasonable chance that it wouldn't brick the device, I'd be glad to get a Clip and help you guys test it.
02:08:08	funman	if you already know rockbox and want to work on the key bindings, that's more helpful IMO
02:09:06	funman	a lot of people come here or on the forum to help testing, but there is nothing to test, and everything to write
02:09:12	jpt9	ah.
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02:11:12	funman	and the tool we use has 'a reasonable chance to not brick your device' since I must have ran it 1000+ times ;)
02:11:52	funman	Note that it hasn't been tested yet (and probably wouldn't work without a few modifications) on the Clipv2 (maybe it's the new 8GB Clip)
02:12:37	jpt9	there's an 8GB clip?
02:14:01	funman	http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36013
02:15:04	JdGordon	funman: you got sd working?
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02:16:01	funman	JdGordon: no, if i insert my code after the OF init it's stuck while sending commands
02:16:17	funman	the CmdActive bit stays high
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02:16:31	JdGordon	:( ok, i tohugh i read you had in the logs
02:16:42	funman	i spoke too fast, like always :)
02:16:43	JdGordon	couple more days and ill have time to help out properly
02:17:00	funman	cool :)
02:22:37	jpt9	just updated rbutil... Yay! I can make my own voice files.
02:22:46	*	jpt9 's Sansa will have a British accent!
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02:34:25	funman	ok .. I forgot unaligned memory access is bad on arm
02:35:21	funman	so if I use the OF init and my own init_card, it fails equally than if i use my own init
02:35:32	funman	so I suppose the 'missing bit' is in this init_card function
02:35:50	soap	An issue I didn't ever think about before reading http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7343
02:37:15	soap	Should we request that only the original author of a WPS upload it to the wiki? Don't we need to "hold someone responsible" for the claims of the attached license? And if so, who do we hold if X supposedly authors one and Y uploads it?
02:43:41	funman	Y distributed it, so Y
02:44:10	rasher	Probably rare enough to not be much of an issue
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02:54:53	lostlogic	so what's wrong with my build server?
02:55:07	*	jpt9 is enjoying his newly generated .talk files.
02:55:13	jpt9	Rockbox is amazing.
02:55:36	jpt9	I have no clue what I'll do if my Rockboxed Sansa e250R v1 ever breaks...
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02:59:11	JdGordon	lostlogic: we arnt sure... Bagder said he manually did a build and it was fine, but it seems to die doing a regular build
02:59:19	JdGordon	s/we/they
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02:59:48	JdGordon	the broken player builds on http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi are form your server
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03:02:21	mc2739	funman: (for the logs) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9532 - buttons for the e200v2 (the currently known buttons - still lookin for hold, rec, volume up, volume down)
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03:03:26	lostlogic	JdGordon: yeah, I see 'em
03:04:01	lostlogic	am rebuilding my gcc-sh just for shits
03:05:55	JdGordon	mc2739: you got them working?
03:07:43	mc2739	yes, I had them working once before, but lost the changes when I did a revert
03:08:23	JdGordon	whats with the _PIN() \|= 1 lines?
03:09:23	JdGordon	also, sholdnt the afsel value be read first and then restored after instead of using those hardcoded values incase they change later?
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03:09:48	mc2739	that gpio is used for display, without forcing them to 1 first, the button read was very inconsistent
03:09:48	JdGordon	.. and last one.. the DIR's arnt put back how they were?
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03:11:58	mc2739	1) I just used the afsel values from the lcd code, 2) the dir should probably be read and put back, but it did not seem to make a difference
03:13:25	mc2739	If I remember correctly, the original code I had saved both afsel and dir and then restored them before returning
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03:15:25	lardmaster	The wiki says rockbox supports aac/mp4 playback, but I have heard elsewere it doesn't work, and it doesnt work when i try.
03:16:09	JdGordon	mc2739: yeah, that sounds better, even if it doesnt change anything
03:16:17	JdGordon	it might later with iterupts?
03:16:35	mc2739	ok - let me add that in and test
03:16:36	JdGordon	lardmaster: aac should work fine... you did a full install?
03:17:00	JdGordon	mc2739: also, put that code inside button_int()
03:17:27	lardmaster	I meant mp4 videos with aac audio
03:17:33	lardmaster	I thought that was what it was referencing
03:17:47	JdGordon	no, we only have mpeg-2 video
03:17:56	mc2739	ok
03:18:13	lardmaster	ok, perhaps http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison should be fixed?
03:18:44	JdGordon	fixed where?
03:18:50	lardmaster	It says it supports mp4's
03:18:54	lardmaster	* mp4s
03:18:54	soap	Advanced Audio Codec is Mpeg 4 audio.
03:19:03	soap	you are confusing it with Mpeg 4 video.
03:19:22	lardmaster	I though mp4 was a video/audio container.
03:19:26	lardmaster	I see
03:21:06	soap	yes, my answer was not 100% accurate. the mp4 container (mepg-4 part 14) is a container which can contain audio and/or video. AAC in said container is supported. Any video in said container is not.
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03:21:43	soap	and even less right, AAC is Mpeg-2 part 7 :(
03:22:44	lardmaster	is it possible for rockbox to play only the audio in a muxed file?
03:23:16	soap	that I do not know, actually.
03:24:33	markun	for wmv file I think we do
03:25:00	lardmaster	is there any tool to download album art based on folder names and place the bmp file in there?
03:29:05	soap	drifting off-topic for this channel, but I am not aware of a single-step program of such type. You are facing multiple issues - 1st being that folder.jpg is the unofficial Windows standard for album art in folders, and so you need to not only gather the album art, you need to convert to .bmp and to resize (at this time).
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03:30:50	lardmaster	yeah, I am just wondering how people deal with album art on rhythmbox
03:31:07	lardmaster	Like there is no standard transfer method it seems.
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03:33:00	mc2739	JdGordon: updated - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9532
03:33:16	lostlogic	if someone wants to try reactivating player builds on my box, it might work... just reinstalled gcc-sh anyway
03:34:54	soap	I think it is safe to say most of us either transfer full folders of music (and therefore associated files) or use an iTunes-like solution. Obviously in the first case you now can work with the images (conversion / resizing / renaming) through scripts performed on your player's "drive". For the second scenario (moving database managed audio files around) I personally think embedded album art would be the easier way, as then you could batch extract / re
03:34:54	soap	name / reize / convert once said music is on your player.
03:35:46	JdGordon	mc2739: ok, ill commit it in a few hours
03:36:05	mc2739	thanks
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03:37:03	lardmaster	soap: does rockbox work with imbedded art?
03:37:10	soap	lostlogic, I had sim builds failing in a similar dramatic fashion, and it turned out to be a bad stick of memory :(
03:37:13	JdGordon	embedded and no
03:37:15	soap	lardmaster, no.
03:38:45	JdGordon	mc2739: :) no I meeant put all that button reading code in button_int() not just the afsel/dir saving
03:39:37	JdGordon	button_int() will eventually be setup as the button interrupt which the main build will use also
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03:41:58	mc2739	ok - changing now
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03:53:34	mc2739	JdGordon: FS #9532 - updated again
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04:22:30	Unhelpful	lardmaster: picard runs on pretty much every OS and can download album art based on tags. it doesn't resize/convert per rockbox's needs, however.
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04:23:46	soap	lardmaster, there are at least two conversion tools mentioned on the AlbumArt wiki page.
04:24:17	lardmaster	I guess my recurring problem is google is not leading me to the wiki
04:24:29	lardmaster	Instead it give me mailing list posts...
04:24:45	lardmaster	However, I have found a tool that works
04:25:28	soap	if said tool works (and especially if it is free) feel free to add it to either the Wiki page, or to PM me an additional paragraph to add to said wiki page.
04:25:38	lardmaster	kk
04:27:38	lardmaster	Ah, the tool I found is already on there
04:28:09	soap	super wiki!
04:28:49	lardmaster	Lol
04:28:58	lardmaster	But I had to figure out the converting on my own
04:29:02	lardmaster	And I suck at it.
04:29:18	*	lardmaster punches himself in the face
04:30:42	lardmaster	find... {}... rename... ${blargh}... convert... all beats me
04:33:46	lardmaster	thanks guys!
04:33:53	lardmaster	bye
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07:09:17	blithe	Hrm, I'm getting an '[ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod' when trying to flash the rockbox bootloader onto my ipod.
07:09:27	blithe	Anyone have any ideas how I can remedy this?
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07:17:43	JdGordon	blithe: is it a mac formatted ipod?
07:17:52	blithe	It was, I just mkfs'd it.
07:18:08	*	blithe 's snooping leads him to believe it may be the partition table.
07:22:36	blithe	Still no luck after an attempt at recreating the partition table.
07:23:08	Unhelpful	blithe: that seems to be what the error says, as well. partition tables specify a filesystem type for each partition - that is probably different for mac vs win formatted. the partition layout may differ as well. perhaps you need to find a guide for converting your ipod?
07:23:36	blithe	Unhelpful: Aye, been looking. They all tell me to redo things with iTunes.
07:23:44	blithe	Which I have no access to, nor any desire to use.
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07:24:52	B4gder	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
07:25:26	B4gder	(and obviously skip over "The Easy Way")
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07:25:51	blithe	B4gder: Awesome! Many thanks. :P
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07:33:02	blithe	Hrm, now I'm getting a different one: [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting.
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08:22:01	funman	i've read / rewritten most of the sansav2 OF code for SD and still can't get it ready
08:22:22	funman	i'm exploring alternatives like self modifying code to not have to conclude i'm too stupid for it :/
08:22:36	funman	s/exploring/imagining/
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08:30:07	planetbeing	Why would self-modifying code be necessary?
08:30:59	funman	to serve as an excuse for me not understanding this code
08:31:16	planetbeing	Sad.
08:31:47	funman	i just tried yesterday running parts of the OF and parts of my code - i'll continue in this way
08:32:04	planetbeing	Didn't you already epic win today with that bug fix with the linker scripts?
08:32:31	funman	maybe - but that doesn't solve what i wanted to do
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08:40:09	amiconn	Zagor/B4gder: Are you going to revert r19020 (dependency of 'make zip' & friends on the main build)?
08:40:40	amiconn	I'm with B4gder here - being able to zip up an incomplete build is a useful thing
08:41:24	amiconn	(e.g. when porting to a new target and some plugins fail to build because of missing button assignments or similar)
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08:42:12	funman	make -k ?
08:42:22	J-23	Hi!
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08:45:04	planetbeing	zomg, is that... PHP?
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08:54:54	LinusN	amiconn: i agree
08:57:11	funman	ow - if i execute OF, and execute myself the acmd41, i got the card powered up
08:57:15	funman	now, one step back ;)
08:57:34	J-23	planetbeing: no, I didn't think about PHP when I wrote $self
08:59:19	funman	if i send myself the cmd8 (to check sdhc support) - still success
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09:02:27	funman	and if i send myself the cmd0 (go idle) - failure. let's look more closer at what happens between these two
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09:19:56	*	Zagor just compiled & linked the first binary with his new unified makefile
09:20:08	B4gder	wooo
09:20:17	*	B4gder is just a little scared
09:20:42	Zagor	libspeex is a bit messy, since we compile it twice with different flags...
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09:21:01	Kalibur	hey guys
09:21:29	B4gder	Zagor: yeah that puts the makefile to a fine test! ;-)
09:22:06	Kalibur	im looking for some help here guys, rockbox freezes before it fully loads so it wont connect to my computer
09:22:23	Kalibur	therefore i cant fix anything, does anyone know if theres a button combination to force it into usb mode?
09:22:46	*	B4gder now looks into his crystal ball to guess what target Kalibur refers to
09:23:04	B4gder	darnit, still misty!
09:23:06	amiconn	Zagor: We also compile libmad twice
09:23:29	Zagor	amiconn: when?
09:23:32	Kalibur	lol silly me
09:23:43	Kalibur	holding select + the play/pause button puts it into disk mode
09:23:45	amiconn	Zagor: For the codec and for mpegplayer
09:23:47	Kalibur	chow
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09:23:54	Zagor	amiconn: with different flags?
09:24:56	B4gder	do the two separate speex builds really have to use separate flags?
09:25:09	Zagor	I haven't looked into that yet
09:25:12	B4gder	ok
09:26:05	Zagor	one annoying quirk with make is that ignores all targets in directories that doesn't exist at the time that dependency line is parsed...
09:26:51	amiconn	Zagor: -DMPEGPLAYER
09:27:02	Zagor	amiconn: ok. thanks.
09:27:15	amiconn	That one changes IRAM usage a bit (see mad_iram.h)
09:28:04	amiconn	Does the new Makefile handle already handle the special cases, like rombox, self-extractor, "overlay" plugins?
09:28:25	*	amiconn also wonders how maintainable this unified Makefile will be
09:28:31	Zagor	no, it's very early still
09:28:52	Zagor	it's not a single file as such, it uses includes.
09:29:01	Zagor	but it is a single invocation of make
09:29:20	Zagor	this allows much more precise dependency handling
09:29:47	B4gder	I like a single makefile
09:29:50	Zagor	today we have makefiles that depend on targets made by other makefiles
09:31:24	Zagor	the concept is that configure creates Makefile that contains the exported variables, and which includes tools/root.make. which in turn includes apps.make, firmware.make, lang.make, bitmaps.make etc.
09:32:45	Zagor	then we get an unbroken dependency chain all the way from .c to .bin
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10:10:09	Zagor	what is the state of the speex codec? is it imported verbatim, so we don't want to make local changes to it?
10:10:41	Zagor	I want to remove the -Wno-unused-parameter compiler flag, which means I need to fix the code so those warnings don't appear
10:11:44	*	B4gder points to preglow
10:12:27	Zagor	I'll do it locally for now at least
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11:17:05	funman	how weird - i have the sd code working (still running from the OF, but all the SD related code is mine)
11:17:20	funman	but when I remove a printf() then it doesn't work anymore
11:17:30	B4gder	timing?
11:18:08	funman	that's the only thing i can think of, now that the linker scripts are fixed
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11:23:11	Actium	the filesystem on my sanza c200 got messed up somehow and now I can't read or write any files, although rockbox will boot; I can't format it in windows, and reisntalling rockbox doesn't appear to have helped
11:23:31	Actium	it's only the music folder, though.. all other folders seem to work
11:23:51	Zagor	repeat question from yesterday: is there a reason why we load crt0.o from the linker script instead of the linker command line? I would like to remove it from the script
11:24:46	Actium	i should also say whenever I try to delete files, it disapears from my computer
11:24:47	B4gder	Zagor: if there ever was a reason I think it's forgotten
11:26:57	robin0800	Actium: is there not a format option in the OF menu there is on c250
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11:52:58	funman	I pushed the fix for the embedded SD card - it would be nice if people can test on m200v2/fuze/e200v2
11:53:36	funman	it seems incredibly easy (now that it's done)
11:56:08	blkhawk	funman: where can i get the compiled firmare to test it?
11:56:37	funman	just build it from a svn checkout
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11:57:03	blkhawk	that would mean i have to build a toolchain first
11:57:16	blkhawk	do you have a link to a toolchain binaery pack?
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12:02:18	pixelma	not anymore no, development now happens in SVN
12:04:36	funman	blkhawk: no sorry, but don't worry there is no hurry : someone with a toolchain and a svn checkout will check. thanks for the offer anyway
12:07:53	blkhawk	I just put a new drive in my macbook/dev machine
12:07:58	blkhawk	need to rebuild
12:09:04	blkhawk	pixelma: ah i see
12:11:58	Zagor	pixelma: do you have time to try a cygwin build for me?
12:13:05	pixelma	yes
12:13:59	Zagor	pixelma: change the lines VERSION and BUILDDATE in your builddir Makefile from = to :=
12:15:14	pixelma	sim or target build or "doesn't matter"?
12:15:20	Zagor	doesn't matter
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12:17:55	pixelma	ok
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12:28:42	pixelma	btw. what I wanted to ask for a while - does the number that appears in [] after the nick in the raw IRC logs say something about one's "power" to use logbot or is it something freenode related? (I always thought it's the former but am not sure)
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12:31:12	Zagor	it's the logbot level, yes
12:32:06	pixelma	aha, thanks. I suppose if it had been something freenode it would show in my client as well and since it doesn't...
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12:44:29	kugel	funman: I just read the logs a bit. I've also had quirks with printf
12:44:50	kugel	code working with printf didn't work at all after commenting the printf, or adding another one
12:46:28	pixelma	Zagor: (just tried a "make") - still works with the change and there's a bit of a speedgain: c200 sim build without took almost exactly 11 minutes here, with the change 10:30
12:47:13	Zagor	ok. I had hoped for a bit more.
12:47:50	Zagor	do we know in detail what it is that makes cygwin so very very slow?
12:48:28	funman	kugel: it should be fixed starting from r19033
12:49:41	kugel	I read that you experienced problems with printf after that commit
12:50:09	funman	yep but it was likely related to timing: the code worked but not the hardware
12:51:15	pixelma	Zagor: I think amiconn knows a bit about it
12:51:18	kugel	could be related to timing in my case too
12:51:43	funman	what's the problem ?
12:53:02	kugel	funman: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081102#15:14:55
12:53:36	funman	yesterday you didn't have r19033 :)
12:54:02	kugel	it wasn't yesterday
12:54:15	kugel	and yes, I didn't test it after that commit, but still
12:54:46	funman	lcd init function depended on uninitialized data, so crash probability was the same than a coin toss
12:55:21	kugel	nah, it was reproduce-able
12:55:33	kugel	got to go, see you
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12:55:38	funman	yes, because the uninitialized data was the same across reboot
12:56:43	jchillerup	Hmm. Would Nintendo DS be a silly target for Rockbox?
12:58:24	Zagor	jchillerup: not at all
12:59:24	jchillerup	I mean, it has wifi and touch screen, two LCDs and pretty good sound quality
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13:01:46	Zagor	jchillerup: what kind of storage does it use?
13:02:05	amiconn	Zagor: Regarding your question: See http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/sh/archos/app.lds?view=log (r17289)
13:02:21	jchillerup	MicroSD in the homebrew cartridges
13:02:23	amiconn	This is the SH version, but the problem exists regardless of architecture
13:02:27	jchillerup	It doesn't have internal storage, alas
13:03:34	Zagor	amiconn: aha, we need it if firmware is a lib. that's why it works with my make, where firmware is linked directly as object files.
13:04:35	jchillerup	Zagor: I use my nintendo ds as an mp3 player currently, because my real mp3 player broke :(
13:04:55	jchillerup	there is a program called moonshell that plays MP3s, but it's kindda bad; doesn't support VBR mp3, for example
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13:14:09	jchillerup	Zagor: it seems there are development libraries that allow for writing to the FAT file system on the homebrew cartridges
13:16:14	jchillerup	Oh, it has a microphone too
13:16:42	jchillerup	Zagor: would you assist me if^H^H when I run into problems with the port
13:17:06	J-23	Is v2 SD code safe to test?
13:17:55	funman	J-23: this software comes without any kind of warranty bla bla bla, but my Clip isn't broken
13:18:54	Zagor	jchillerup: there are many of us here who will cheer on a new port
13:19:01	jchillerup	That's good
13:19:02	*	J-23 thinks he's safe, because e200v2's are unbrickable
13:19:21	jchillerup	I'm pretty inexperienced with embedded systems programming
13:19:30	jchillerup	I'll read up on some Nintendo DS homebrew guides
13:20:23	Zagor	jchillerup: FYI someone had the same idea about a year ago: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12253.0
13:20:37	jchillerup	Oh!
13:22:08	jchillerup	the NewPort wiki page seems usable
13:22:28	Zagor	we like to think so :-)
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13:23:13	J-23	"now - card ready!"
13:23:27	funman	hehe cool
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13:24:36	Zagor	amiconn: do you know any more specifics about the cygwin slowness?
13:27:26	J-23	now how hard will it be to make read support?
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14:50:23	J-23	Is it possible to boot Rockbox from microSD card on c200v1?
14:54:13	Zagor	"physically possible to achieve", or "already implemented as a feature"?
14:54:54	J-23	implemented.
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14:55:19	Zagor	no
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15:05:50	funman	gevaerts: should I speak to you to factorize SD code common across drivers?
15:06:16	funman	i take it from your high score that you are the storage guru
15:09:14	funman	first thing which strikes me is the duplication of the list of commands - i believe they belong to sd.h ?
15:09:49	gevaerts	hm, good question
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15:11:35	funman	J-23: could you apply this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/68856/ and tell me the numbers on the screen please ?
15:11:38	gevaerts	I think they don't belong in an include file that's meant for everyone (i.e. apps/,...), but sd.h probably isn't like that, so yes, I guess the shared #defines should go there
15:12:08	gevaerts	I don't think I am the storage guru at this detail level though. I work at a higher level of abstraction :)
15:15:15	kugel	funman: what does r19036 exactly mean? What's possible now and what not?
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15:15:38	kugel	I guess the problem that you cannot power on the sd controller is solved?
15:15:51	kugel	the controller for the embedded sd that is
15:15:52	funman	kugel: it's possible to continue developing the sd driver - until we are blocked again
15:16:12	funman	the problem was that we couldn't power the sd card itself, yes it's solved
15:16:23	kugel	ah ok
15:16:25	kugel	sounds good
15:16:39	funman	now we must decode the 'csd register' because the version it uses is 'reserved' and not detailed in the SD specification
15:16:53	funman	can you run the patch i just pasted on your fuze ?
15:17:20	kugel	later, let me have my coffee ;)
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15:18:04	funman	;)
15:18:24	kugel	I just fell through the theoretical part of the driving test, so I'm in a quite bad mood anyway
15:18:46	funman	quotas :(
15:19:36	*	J-23 patches Rockbox
15:20:10	kugel	but it's great that we have a c200v2 user now
15:20:28	funman	yep, now remains the clipv2 :)
15:22:04	kugel	is the hardware known? as in does it use the as3525 as well?
15:22:35	kugel	i can imagine that they just increased the ram (the bigger firmware leads me to that assumption)
15:23:37	funman	after a quick look at the OF it looks essentially the same
15:23:45	funman	but i noticed an armv5 instruction so it might be a newer version of the SoC, similar to as3525
15:24:18	J-23	make[1]: *** No rule to make target `ata_sd_as3525.h', needed by `/home/Moarc/rockbox/build/firmware/target/arm/as3525/ata_sd_as3525.o'. Stop.
15:24:24	funman	the firmware has the same "as3525develop.." string
15:24:31	kugel	arm4 code will run on a arm5, doesn't it?
15:24:32	funman	J-23: oops i thought it was included into the patch :/
15:25:04	funman	well it is
15:25:11	kugel	hm, sounds weird that they change the core cpu, but not the package name
15:29:07	LambdaCalculus37	That's SanDisk for you.
15:30:03	kugel	well, rather austrian microsystems
15:30:18	LambdaCalculus37	Or both.
15:31:27	kugel	could be
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15:34:18	J-23	funman: where can I download that file?
15:34:20	kugel	funman: how do you explain the bigger firmware size?
15:34:56	funman	J-23: it's included in the patch
15:35:01	funman	kugel: i don't
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15:35:09	J-23	funman: relly?
15:35:12	J-23	really*
15:35:24	funman	yes it starts at line 358
15:35:57	funman	perhaps /dev/null confuses your patch, try replacing it with b/firmware/target/arm/as3525/ata_sd_as3525.h
15:36:07	funman	i mean a/..
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15:37:20	kugel	J-23: don't forget to do "make clean", possibly even re-run configure
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15:39:01	funman	it correctly detects my 1GB storage (I had reversed the order of the words)
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15:41:29	J-23	I copied ata_sd_as3525.h to firmware/target/arm/as3525, but I still receive this error
15:41:34	kugel	funman: so it should write something with 4 billion on my fuze?
15:41:56	funman	kugel: no ^^ let me post the correct patch
15:42:39	funman	http://paste.ubuntu.com/68864/
15:42:55	funman	J-23: i don't know what's wrong, sorry - did you run make clean ?
15:43:13	J-23	no
15:43:23	J-23	after removing all from build dir everything works properly
15:43:29	kugel	lol
15:43:38	kugel	didn't I just told you to run make clean?
15:43:38	J-23	flashing...
15:44:00	J-23	kugel: you did, but I always remove build/*
15:44:50	J-23	booted, now what should I do?
15:45:05	funman	just paste what's on the screen
15:45:21	J-23	ID: JKLDFJL, Rockbox logo and Boot Ver. <revision>
15:45:38	funman	thanks
15:45:44	J-23	(JKLDFJL - lots of letters and ciphers)
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15:50:41	kugel	J-23: what player do you have?
15:50:48	J-23	kugel: e280v2
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16:24:48	funman	it seems i can reuse a lot of code from ata-sd-pp.c, that's why I want to factorize it
16:25:08	funman	perhaps in drivers/ata_sd.c
16:25:24	funman	anyway, too much sensations for today :) see you
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16:27:43	*	Zagor spots an ugly typedef struct in hotswap.h
16:28:01	kugel	what's ugly about it?
16:28:08	Zagor	structs are not types
16:28:10	gevaerts	It exists
16:28:37	kugel	i see, oop haters :)
16:28:53	gevaerts	Yes, but that's unrelated :)
16:29:02	kugel	not unrelated
16:29:15	Zagor	what on earth does typedef abuse have to do with oop?
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16:29:56	Zagor	unless you define oop as "nobody really needs to read and understand this code anyway"
16:30:05	Zagor	encapsulation, I think they call it
16:30:20	kugel	I quote my academic teacher "typedef structs are the bridge from C to oop"
16:30:37	Zagor	those who can, do. those who don't, teach.
16:30:38	gevaerts	Tell him that he has no clue then
16:30:41	kugel	I, by myself, haven't thought about that much, so
16:30:56	kugel	will do :p
16:31:52	n1s	It is common in C code to typedef structs i think but i never understood the point either.
16:32:05	Zagor	n1s: very common. still very silly.
16:32:34	Zagor	we even have it docs/CONTRIBUTING
16:35:36	kugel	ok, my next patch will have typedef struct my_new_type :P
16:36:16	kugel	of course, with much tabs and // comments
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16:56:17	Kopfgeldjaeger	how can rockbox encode a recording on-the-fly to 128kbit/s mp3?
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16:57:26	Llorean	Kopfgeldjaeger: With an MP3 encoder?
16:57:33	Llorean	I'm not sure I understand the context of the question.
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16:59:22	Kopfgeldjaeger	of course it can decode the mp3-stream to play it. but does the sansa also have an mp3 encoder? or is only one needed for both tasks?
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16:59:42	Llorean	I said encoder, not decoder.
16:59:52	Llorean	it's all handled by software.
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17:00:01	Llorean	You'll see the features Rockbox has in the manual.
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17:25:18	jchillerup	woop, downloading the devkit for the nintendo ds
17:25:45	jchillerup	(I'm trying to port rockbox to nintendo ds)
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17:29:15	kushal	Hi, I know its stupid but I will ask anyway. Is it possible AT ALL to play any kind of video on Sansa C2xx ?
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17:30:08	Llorean	kushal: Yes, it should be covered in the manual...
17:30:19	Llorean	Is mpegplayer missing from the c200 manual?
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17:36:23	kushal	Llorean, yes thank you. http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansac200/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-21900011.3.5
17:37:05	Llorean	In the future, please search our manual first.
17:38:14	kushal	sorry about that
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17:50:15	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: hey, the v2s (at least e200v2 and fuze, most likely c200v2 too) will be easily adapted to backlight fading :)
17:52:02	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Not bad. :)
17:52:19	kugel	I already let my fuze fade
17:53:29	*	kugel should find sometime to try to fix the issues mentioned by bertrik and then get attention of it on the ml
17:55:14	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Ask Mr. Someone. ;)
17:56:16	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: Mr. Someone can only be asked on something that is generally agreed on :(
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18:45:57	MrKitty	Help?
18:46:05	MrKitty	I need help....
18:46:23	MrKitty	Hello
18:46:30	bertrik	Hello MrKitty
18:46:46	MrKitty	With rockbox...
18:47:05	MrKitty	I need help with Rockbox >_>
18:47:08	LambdaCalculus37	So just ask.
18:47:16	MrKitty	Wow this is laggy.
18:47:18	planetbeing	The anticipation is killing us.
18:47:25	MrKitty	I can imagine.
18:47:41	bertrik	You need help...
18:47:58	LambdaCalculus37	We need to know what you need help with.
18:48:00	MrKitty	Well I installed it using the auto intaller, didn't like it so I went into my Ipod on my computer, deleted the rockbox. folder, ejected my ipod.
18:48:25	MrKitty	and now all I get is my ipod trying to boot up rockbox, it saying its not there.
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18:48:44	LambdaCalculus37	Because you forgot to uninstall the bootloader.
18:48:45	MrKitty	I try connecting it to my computer to delete the boot up but I don't get anything when I connect it to my comp.
18:49:22	MrKitty	Yeah thats what I aasumed, but I can't get my ipod to be reconized in itunes or on my computer.
18:49:27	LambdaCalculus37	Restart your iPod and press SELECT+PLAY at the Apple logo to go into Disk Mode. You can delete the bootloader from there.
18:49:43	LambdaCalculus37	After you connect it to your PC, of course.
18:49:49	MrKitty	I was looknig around in there
18:50:05	MrKitty	I can't connect it to my computer though.. nothing happens
18:50:18	MrKitty	even when I'm in diskmode.
18:50:51	MrKitty	And I tested my USB in diskmode and it said it's working...
18:51:38	MrKitty	...
18:51:42	Llorean	You can't test USB in disk mode.
18:51:49	Llorean	There's a USB test in the diagnostic mode.
18:52:11	MrKitty	Maybe that's what I was in then, I thought that was Diskmode
18:52:16	Llorean	You weren't in disk mode.
18:52:34	MrKitty	Oh, I see I see.
18:53:46	MrKitty	I love you.
18:54:08	MrKitty	So wait which file is the boot up file?
18:54:16	Llorean	There's no file for it.
18:54:23	LambdaCalculus37	Just uninstall the bootloader with Rockbox Utility.
18:54:26	Llorean	It's stored somewhere special. Just use the utility, and choose its uninstall option.
18:54:46	MrKitty	oh alright
18:59:00	MrKitty	do you guys really just sit in here all day helping people?
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19:00:00	LambdaCalculus37	Yes. We're actually robots, you see. :P
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19:00:36	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: are you available for backlight fade testing on the beast?
19:01:09	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I could do a little testing. Do you have a new patch up?
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19:02:07	kugel	very soon
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19:02:57	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Cool, give me a holler when it's ready.
19:03:11	lostlogic	Bagder: Is there a way to retest player builds against my server?
19:03:43	kugel	I wonder if _backlight_off and _backlight_on could be static
19:05:10	lostlogic	q
19:05:16	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I'm not sure how it would work on the beast if it were static, but you can try it.
19:05:40	kugel	hm looks like they could though
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19:10:48	*	kugel noticed the code can't work
19:11:56	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Then you'll have to make them non-static.
19:14:20	kugel	it's not the static, no worries. :)
19:16:23	kugel	i wanted to get rid of the _helper function, but I need it
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19:22:39	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: http://pastebin.ca/1248050
19:25:46	*	kugel wonders if 500bytes binsize inc are considered "worth it"
19:27:04	kugel	it'd only affect high mem targets
19:27:39	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: are you already compiling? :)
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19:27:58	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Not yet.
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19:38:17	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I'm compiling now.
19:38:23	kugel	cool
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19:45:03	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: ok, it doesn't work on my e200
19:45:57	kugel	ah found it, it should work on the beast
19:49:02	kugel	ok, maybe not
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19:50:32	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: It failed to compile here.
19:50:53	kugel	error message?
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20:01:49	LambdaCalculus37	http://pastebin.com/m54b99bf0
20:03:06	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: that's weird
20:06:01	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: I get completely different errors ;S
20:06:42	ze	LambdaCalculus37: you know of anybody making any progress cracking the karma firmware?
20:07:26	LambdaCalculus37	ze: Nope. It's not so much of "cracking" the firmware, but we wanted to get the eCos source diffs that Rio had made for the Karma's OF.
20:08:24	ze	LambdaCalculus37: hmm, whys that? afaiu there's enough similar to other rockbox targets that the port itself wouldn't be that big of a deal, its just getting the unit to accept something new thats the sticking point?
20:09:24	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: http://pastebin.ca/1248084
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20:25:49	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: ping
20:28:36	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Still here. Just have to do some Real Life (tm) work.
20:29:24	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: Ah sry, didn't know. I just hoped you already tried to recompile with the updated patch I pastebined
20:29:59	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I'm going to in a few minutes.
20:32:44	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: Ok, wait for my next patch
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20:38:53	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: http://pastebin.ca/1248105
20:40:43	Fug	I have a Fuze and I'd like to help in some way
20:41:43	bertrik	Fug, maybe you cooperate with kugel
20:42:33	Fug	ok, sure
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20:43:40	kugel	bertrik: can you please try the backlight fade patch if your issues still appear?
20:43:49	kugel	bertrik: http://pastebin.ca/1248105
20:44:01	kugel	Fug: can you code?
20:44:22	Fug	no, sorry
20:44:59	kugel	I fear then there's not much to help for you :(
20:45:07	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Looks like you're trying to make the backlight fade in/out smoother.
20:45:08	kugel	bertrik: will you?
20:45:16	*	LambdaCalculus37 is reading the patch kugel linked to him
20:45:17	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: not really
20:46:07	Fug	ok, no problem
20:46:11	kugel	I mainly tried to further make the code for e200/c200 the same with beast, and fix the issues bertrik mentioned on the tracker
20:46:38	kugel	Fug: do you have a build environment set up?
20:46:45	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Also Strife89 seems to have had problems as well.
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20:47:08	kugel	well I believe that there are issues
20:47:13	Fug	kugel, I possibily could do, with some guidance
20:47:41	LambdaCalculus37	Strife89: Still here?
20:48:03	kugel	Fug: there's instructions on how to compile rockbox in the wiki
20:48:05	bertrik	yes, I'll try
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20:48:56	kugel	bertrik: when changing from off to on in the backlight setting, I only notice a minor flash (which is caused by lcd_enable)
20:49:01	Strife89	LambdaCalculus37: Yeah, I've had problems with it too.
20:49:11	kugel	I cannot reproduce the pulsing backlight
20:49:28	LambdaCalculus37	Strife89: kugel's working on a newer patch, so if you're interested in helping him iron out all of the problems, go for it.
20:49:40	Strife89	It gave syntax errors before I reversed the patch a few days ago.
20:49:43	kugel	Strife89: what problems?
20:49:50	Strife89	LambdaCalculus37: We'll see. :)
20:50:05	kugel	Strife89: http://pastebin.ca/1248105 is updated
20:50:13	Strife89	kugel: Not sure, exactly.
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20:51:08	Strife89	kugel: Want me to try applying it?
20:51:22	kugel	Strife89: it'll apply, but you might want to test it on your target
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20:51:53	Fug	kugel: I'll set up a build environment now
20:52:33	Strife89	kugel: Give me a few minutes and I'll apply and make.
20:54:02	kugel	Fug: the issue with not being able to code is, that you can only test code by others. And that's what I'm already doing :) Anyway, the more the merrier.
20:54:11	bertrik	kugel, the problems I reported on FS are gone
20:54:26	bertrik	tested only on e200 so far (haven't tried c200)
20:54:36	kugel	sounds cool
20:55:22	Strife89	Making now. This'll take a while.....
20:56:53	Strife89	It stripped several "trailing CRs" when I applied it.
20:57:54	Strife89	I still haven't worked with patches enough to know, exactly, what that means.
20:59:33	kugel	Strife89: that's weird. are you using windows/cygwin?
20:59:44	Strife89	kugel: No, Ubuntu.
20:59:47	bertrik	kugel, works fine so far on the c200 too
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21:00:04	kugel	hm, then it's probably pastebin.ca adding CR without reason
21:00:21	Strife89	kugel: I used view raw on Pastebin, and then saved that directly.
21:00:37	kugel	they shouldn't harm. if they do, do dos2unix on them or safe with an appropriate text editor
21:00:39	Strife89	As "new_fade.diff".
21:00:49	bertrik	I didn't get any CR warnings when patching
21:01:10	kugel	bertrik: nice!
21:02:00	*	Strife89 sometimes wishes for a way to skip most of the language building.
21:02:35	Strife89	This is an ~800 MHz machine.....
21:02:45	kugel	the last thing: let the backlight work if backlight fading is not #defined in the config-<target>.h
21:03:16	kugel	Strife89: well, you only build them once, so. just try to avoid make cleans and deletions of the build dir ;=)
21:03:18	kugel	;)*
21:03:22	LambdaCalculus37	Crap, I can't get the patch to apply clean right now.
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21:03:54	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I have no wireless access right now, so I have to wait until later to svn revert the files and reapply the patch.
21:03:55	Strife89	kugel: I made a spare directory for this build. :)
21:04:55	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: huh? I don't understand
21:05:23	Strife89	kugel: LambdaCalculus37 must have a build setup on a laptop (?).....
21:05:29	kugel	why do you need internet to revert your local tree?
21:05:51	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Because Strife89's right. I'm using my PowerBook to compile.
21:06:13	LambdaCalculus37	And I have no wireless access at work.
21:06:23	Strife89	Wow, for a minute I thought I was dead wrong. :)
21:06:31	kugel	and how do you get the patch?
21:06:45	Strife89	kugel: Flash drive?
21:06:50	kugel	the only thing you need internet access for is getting the patch
21:07:08	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: Copied the pastebin to Notepad2, saved it to my USB stick, copied it to the PowerBook, patched...
21:07:21	*	LambdaCalculus37 stops to take a breath
21:07:31	*	Strife89 just said that. ;)
21:07:42	kugel	I still don't get what you need internet access for. "svn revert -R *" requires no internet at all
21:07:43	Strife89	Albiet in only two words.
21:07:52	Strife89	And as a question. :)
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21:09:19	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: can you explain?
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21:11:03	Strife89	It's finally building some of the plugins.
21:11:03	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I had thought that svn needed net access for most functions.
21:11:26	Strife89	LambdaCalculus37: Heh, so did I. :)
21:13:40	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: no, not if you don't specify a revision. Then you only need it for svn co and up
21:13:49	kugel	and commit
21:14:24	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: I got it to revert now.
21:14:31	LambdaCalculus37	Applying your new patch.
21:14:36	kugel	nice :)
21:14:53	Strife89	It's still making here. -_-
21:15:05	Strife89	It's on zxbox.
21:15:10	kugel	:(
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21:15:23	Strife89	I told you, 800 MHz CPU.
21:15:23	kugel	you should probably just deactivate plugin building
21:15:33	kugel	that should help a lot
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21:15:47	Strife89	kugel: I'm also making "from scratch".
21:16:05	Strife89	kugel: I made a new folder just for this build.
21:16:34	Strife89	kugel: Just in case it goes bad; and I can simply use patch −−reverse
21:16:35	kugel	yep, I can imagine that this takes painfully long. Have you ccache installed?
21:16:56	*	Strife89 has not heard of ccache.
21:17:03	kugel	that helps when not buiding "from scratch"
21:17:09	kugel	apt-get install ccache
21:17:36	kugel	I'm not sure how it works exactly, but it drastically accelerates building when you build before
21:17:56	LambdaCalculus37	Still building codecs here.
21:18:07	Strife89	Making mikmod.
21:18:22	Strife89	Aw, crap, I didn't svn update before this.
21:18:23	kugel	I bet on Strife89!
21:18:30	kugel	uuhh
21:18:49	Strife89	I think I'm on r19026, but I'm not certian.
21:18:58	kugel	that'd should be fine enough
21:19:14	Strife89	It's still newer than what's on my Sansa now (r18836).
21:19:29	Strife89	:)
21:19:49	Strife89	MAKE in mpegplayer.
21:20:43	LambdaCalculus37	Building plugins here.
21:20:45	*	Strife89 will laugh very loudly if LambdaCalculus37's computer beats his.
21:20:53	Strife89	libspeex
21:21:30	*	gevaerts notices that Strife89 hasn't mentioned dozens of plugins
21:21:57	*	Strife89 tells gevaerts that he doesn't want to bother naming every single one.
21:22:25	Strife89	I'm just giving my progress. :)
21:22:31	*	Strife89 makes a zip.
21:22:36	kugel	you can't deactivate plugin building with a configure or make parameter can you?
21:22:45	kugel	that'd be damn useful imho
21:23:04	gevaerts	You can run make bin
21:23:04	Strife89	I wouldn't know. Maybe I could edit the makefile.
21:23:06	kugel	Strife89: hint: make tar is fine if you're going to extract it right away
21:23:09	Strife89	Oh, that too. :)
21:23:19	gevaerts	Edit apps/plugins/SOURCES then
21:23:25	kugel	but that does exclude codecs as well
21:23:44	kugel	I assume one with a slow processor can live without plugins, but not without codecs
21:23:57	Strife89	gevaerts: Nah, the makefile in the build directory feels safer to me. :)
21:24:13	Strife89	gevaerts: Lets me keep two configurations in check as well. :)
21:24:20	gevaerts	If you're testing a patch, and the codec API didn't change, why bother building them?
21:24:21	kugel	I was thinking of ../tools/configure −−no-plugins
21:24:40	Strife89	Huzzah! Zip made! :D
21:24:59	kugel	I think I won my bet :D
21:25:31	*	kugel is going to ask Mr.Someone about that
21:25:47	*	Strife89 's Sansa has 7.1 MB free.
21:26:16	kugel	7MB should be enough for everyone
21:26:29	*	Strife89 backs up his old build first.
21:26:54	kugel	Strife89: btw, my patch is proven to work already :)
21:27:30	Strife89	kugel: I know, but is one good test enough to release it? ;)
21:27:43	kugel	of course not :)
21:27:56	Strife89	kugel: Exactly. :)
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21:29:26	Strife89	Fortunately I'm in the habit of removing my memory card before booting the OF.
21:29:35	LambdaCalculus37	This is strange... none of the plugins were built, and I didn't even get a binary.
21:29:37	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: after you're done and unless you notice any problem, try to comment the HAVE_BACKLIGHT_THREAD_FADING in config-gigabeat-s.h out and see if feature disabling is properly working
21:29:53	kugel	scroll up, probably an error occured
21:30:01	*	LambdaCalculus37 will have to revert his entire svn checkout
21:30:12	*	kugel oh noe
21:30:18	*	Strife89 boots the new build.
21:30:24	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: No errors. I was watching it. Just no plugins. "Nothing to be done for 'all'" is the message.
21:30:27	kugel	now that's what i NOT call backlight off
21:30:39	kugel	my screen is entirely white with having the feature disabled
21:31:12	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: well, that doesn't surprise me. they're just rebuilt when the the plugin, the api or the makefile changes
21:31:47	Strife89	r19022M.
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21:32:01	Strife89	Wait, where's the customizable Quickscreen?
21:32:32	kugel	can I look into the source files after preprocessor did his job?
21:32:53	Strife89	kugel: Another success. :)
21:33:07	kugel	no issues you mean?
21:33:24	Strife89	kugel: Right, none so far.
21:34:25	Strife89	But where are the customizable Quickscreen settings?......
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21:35:26	kugel	Strife89: on the context menu of a setting
21:35:33	kugel	s/on/in
21:35:49	kugel	so, the lcd turns of, but the backlight not
21:36:03	Strife89	kugel: Oh, I see. Sweet. :)
21:37:02	Strife89	kugel: The backlight seems to be turning off for me.
21:37:15	Strife89	I mean, completely.
21:37:36	kugel	Strife89: I'm talking about when you deactivate the fading by commenting the #define out
21:37:50	kugel	I'd like to have the old code still working you know
21:38:02	Strife89	Oh.
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21:49:39	kugel	LambdaCalculus37: how far is your tests?
21:55:19	kugel	that evolves to a #ifdef hell..
21:57:30	LambdaCalculus37	kugel: The last build I tried has failed.
21:57:35	LambdaCalculus37	I'll try again later on today.
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22:18:41	kugel	lol
22:18:53	kugel	apps/ code built after plugins & codecs
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22:28:17	kugel	so, need one last test on the beast
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22:39:19	rief	hi all
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22:47:52	kugel	anyone keen on committing my simulator for the fuze?
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22:48:06	kugel	(including keymap)
22:48:51	kugel	in any event, please close http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9512
22:54:53	rief	there is a config/plugin for rockbox that shutdown the player after some minutes of inactivity?
22:56:26	bluebrother	idle shutdown is a base functionality
22:56:46	bluebrother	you might want to check our nice manual ;-)
22:56:56	rief	sorry
22:57:06	rief	and thanks
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23:10:06	kugel	why do I get this one? settings_list.c:1374: error: ‘LANG_BUTTONLIGHT_TIMEOUT’ undeclared here (not in a function)
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23:16:03	kugel	got it
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23:33:35	fml	Zagor is not here, but could somebody explain why "typedef struct" is silly? I quite like it but would also want to see arguments against it.
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23:38:13	kugel	fml: I can't
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23:39:17	kugel	possibly because typedef hides the struct behind. So, if you don't know the code and have to do with the code, you first need to find out what that type is based on so you can work with it
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23:45:36	fml	kugel: but you see that it's not a primitive type (int, char). And to find the typedef (in order to find out what fields are inside) is exactly as easy or hard as to find the struct definition. So I still don't get it.
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23:51:53	kugel	fml: well, true. But the gain by typedef'ing structs is minor as well
23:52:52	kugel	if you don't typedef it, you at least now it's a struct, so you don't even try something like +
23:53:15	kugel	another question, why do some of my buttons not work in the sim?
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23:55:12		Quit ajonat ()
23:56:08	fml	kugel: minor, but still > 0 IMO. And in C, you can't apply + to a non primitive type.
23:57:06	kugel	yea, exactly
23:57:27	kugel	that's why you got to know if my_type is a typedef'd int or a typedef'd struct
23:57:47	kugel	anyway, I don't really care, I understand both sides

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