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#rockbox log for 2008-11-09

00:00:01amiconnThere are just 5 coldfire targets, not too much for a single table (per GPIO port group) imho
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00:08:44jhMikeShmmm, well I had already created pages split as the contents were but at least it's a start at it
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00:09:31n1ssomeone should delete the GigabeatPortPins and GigabeatSPortPins pages now
00:10:05n1sonly admins can do that, rigth?
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00:11:46jhMikeSActually removing files, yes
00:14:05n1sZagor: could you do it?
00:15:59Zagoryes, but not right now. I'm off to bed.
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00:17:26jhMikeSI made sure everything started with a manufacturer for all of them (ToshibaGigabeatSPortPins and so forth)
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00:20:30jhMikeSthat 40 pin jpg is "X" on two gigabeat pages. :\
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00:31:08funmanI think i have the sd code working for sansav2
00:31:13jhMikeSWell, rearrange things in a sensible way. Mostly I wanted the unwieldy clutter out of the way.
00:32:14mjhagstromHi im trying to install rockbox on my 30gb ipod 5th gen on win xp with the rockbox automated utility, and i get this error after clicking full install: extracting error zlib library error
00:32:37mjhagstromjust wondering what i can do about that to make it work
00:33:21rashermjhagstrom: I think this means there was a trouble transmitting Rockbox from the internet. Try redoing it
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00:37:52Lloreanrasher: Actually, it can also mean there's not enough space on the player.
00:38:04LloreanThough I thought the newest versions of rbutil were supposed to give clearer errors
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00:44:41funmanoops app.lds looks more complex than boot.lds
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01:02:33funmanis there an ARM target which is not PP ?
01:03:28rasherThe Gigabeats
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01:07:13funman% make bin|& grep "undefined reference to"|wc -l
01:07:13funman113
01:08:11funmanstill some TODO on the sansav2 ;)
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01:10:14Lloreanrasher, funman: Also the Cowon D2, right?
01:10:49rasherLlorean: I think so - I'm just going by DeviceChart, which obviously doesn't have that (and other early ports)
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01:12:18LloreanAaah
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01:24:20amiconnfunman: All gigabeats, iriver iFP, Cowon D2, the Meizus...
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01:25:54funmansomehow all the code I look in target/arm is for PP
01:26:18funman(/home/fun/clip-real/libspe/usr/local/arm-elf/bin/arm-elf-ld: region DRAM is full (/home/fun/clip-real/apps/rockbox.elf section .bss)
01:26:59funmani would have liked exact numbers for this overrun :/
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01:50:46funmanhum .. I have met a bug which makes apps/linkage.lds not exist
01:52:56funman'make' doesn't create it, but 'make bin' does. the clip doesn't build plugins yet, maybe that's the reason ? (for Zagor)
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02:23:13funmanwhat's the increase rate of current_tick variable like: +1 per second ?
02:23:26JdGordonHZ
02:25:02LloreanHZ per second, specifically.
02:25:57rasherThe mechanics of that sentence makes my head spin
02:29:21funmanit's defined to 100 in kernel.h currently
02:31:56Lloreanrasher: Well, using "HZ" as the name of a variable, not as the term "hertz" :-P
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02:44:33planetbeingWell, HZ = 100 means the frequency of the ticks is 100 Hz. =P
02:47:05funmanhm .. bad checksum, 628 too much
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02:51:17kugelfunman: plugins don't build because they're lacking keymaps
02:51:45kugelyou can disable plugin building by removing that line in configure for the cliip
02:51:54funmani removed it already
02:52:56kugeland they still build?
02:53:09funmanno ..
02:53:18kugelwhere's the problem then :)
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02:53:28funmanwhich problem?
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02:53:39kugelforget it...
02:53:47funmanwill do ;)
02:54:06kugelso I've read you already do make bin? Have you a running rockbox?
02:55:15funmanno, not yet
02:56:13funmanbut soon, it seems I load the firmware into executable RAM, including the checksum and the model :P
02:56:35funmanever heard of the arm instruction which hexcode is 'pilc' ? ;)
02:57:50kugelfunman: sounds definitely great. good job
02:58:12kugel(the "but soon" part of course)
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02:59:49funmanok .. now it loads a firmware into SDRAM, but it must be broken because I have nothing on the screen
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03:01:30kugelhm
03:01:30kugeldo you at least see the bootloader?
03:02:15funmanthe bootloader works fine
03:02:15funmani see nothing after having executed the bootloaded firmware I mean
03:02:58kugeli see
03:03:40kugelcan you at least commit your sd driver before messing with the main rockbox? :)
03:03:40funmanno - it's not finished
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03:23:31kugelfunman: I don't ask you to commit a working clip port, but only the sd driver (so that e.g. I can get on build a fuze build, may it be hacky or not)
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03:24:12funmanand i refuse
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04:53:46funmanI can now load a firmware from the Clip and execute it in SDRAM :)
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05:03:24saratogafunman: saw the logs, congrats
05:05:42funmanthe first problem is that the loaded firmware doesn't run very far away
05:06:05LloreanMaybe if you chase it?
05:06:27funmani screamed but it may be deaf
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05:08:19funmani can't commit now because i need to rewrite it to accept to read 128 or more sectors at a time (128*512 == 2^16 and the PL180 has the data length coded on 16 bits)
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05:10:09funmanfat.c happily reads 256 sectors in a row
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05:15:35JdGordonfunman: nice :)
05:15:59*JdGordon thinks his beast doesnt like spinning up the disk :(
05:17:03n17ikh|Lappydoes the clip have an sd slot?
05:17:32funmannope
05:17:46n17ikh|Lappyaw :/
05:18:00saratogathe fuze is basically a clip with a color screen and an sd slot
05:18:03n17ikh|LappyI really enjoy having the sd slot on my e260
05:19:02n17ikh|Lappybut sandisk must be having trouble producing the 12gb microsdhc cards
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05:19:23n17ikh|LappyI saw all the news on them in january, with working samples
05:19:30n17ikh|Lappyand haven't heard a word since
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05:20:07saratogatheres apparently 16GB ones floating around, but they're quite expensive still
05:21:00n17ikh|Lappyah yeah
05:21:02n17ikh|LappyI hadn't seen that
05:22:03n17ikh|Lappymaybe they decided they liked powers of 2 better
05:22:34zethere's always 12G cards available in various formats
05:22:45zeall awkwardly placed in the market
05:22:55zeoften more expensive than 16G for some reason
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06:51:25funmanamiconn: can you check this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/69511/ for a feature you introduced in r5247 ?
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07:26:58*funman forgot a word in r19044 description: it was "prepare to *copy* exepction vectors"
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07:49:56JdGordonfunman: that delay at the start of the bootloader witht he comment /* show splash screen */ ... is it actually needed?
07:50:16funmanto see the logo, yes
07:50:40funmanit's < 1s, so you can see the version number before a potential problem
07:51:13JdGordonok, can be fixed later then... newer bootloaders only show debug info if there is an error
07:51:14J-23is new SD code tested on e200v2?
07:51:22J-23BTW hello.
07:51:43funmanJdGordon: the text overwrites the bootloader version
07:51:58JdGordonk
07:52:11funmanat least on the clip (64 pixels height)
07:52:11*JdGordon wonders why his e200v2 will only connect to usb in windows :(
07:54:27J-23aargh, there are so many targets now...
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08:00:52funmanhmm weird .. i only see the logo after entering into apps/main.c init() and the Clip powers down after 10s
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08:02:10J-23*PANIC*, disk_init failed :)
08:02:25funmanah yep i forgot a hardcoded value
08:02:40funmanthe reserved size for the firmware file
08:03:27funmanJdGordon: in ata_sd_as3525.c try replacing 20480 by 30720 ?
08:03:46funmanJ-23*
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08:06:46J-23funman: copying patched firmware file to player
08:07:57J-23still doesn't work
08:10:06funmanJ-23: in sd_init_card put a printf("%d",card_info[drive].capacity); while(1);
08:10:25funman~ line 260, just before the SELECT_CARD command.
08:10:53funmanThen substract from this number, the number of 512 bytes sectors reported by dmesg when you plug your e200v2 on USB
08:11:52J-23after #endif?
08:12:47funmanyes that should be right
08:13:09J-23target/arm/as3525/ata_sd_as3525.c: In function ‘sd_init_card’: target/arm/as3525/ata_sd_as3525.c:262: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘printf’
08:15:11J-23but compiles properly
08:16:09J-23returns "1027342336"
08:16:34funmanwhich would be 1GB, right ?
08:16:54*J-23 doesn'
08:17:17J-23argh, enter near ' letter. I don't understand how internal memory in v2 Sansas is built
08:17:36funmanwell how much storage do you have on your e200v2?
08:17:51J-238GB.
08:18:04funmanso something is wrong
08:18:18funmanbbl
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09:10:52bertrikwow, do I read this right that funman made an actual clip bootloader that loads and runs a main rockbox image from flash?
09:22:56bertrikToo bad I can't get it to compile, probably need to update some SOURCES files here and there
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09:27:38funmanbertrik: i just created void stub (void) {} for all the missing symbols to get it to compile
09:28:29bertrikok
09:29:55funmani only tested on a 1GB clip, J-23 told me his 8GB e200v2 reports a 1GB SD
09:30:23J-23maybe it's something like RAID made from many iNAND chips?
09:30:48funmanthe code for e200v1 mention 'bank switching', and as far as i could tell, it was using a vendor specific command to do so.
09:32:25funmanbertrik: oh I had to use 'make bin' also, not make all/info/zip
09:33:29bertrikyeah, we probably don't need the plugins at first :)
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09:42:37bertrikI get a disk_init failed! panic :(
09:42:49funmanwhich Clip do you have ?
09:43:05bertrik1G, OF version v1.1.30
09:44:21funmancan you printf() the capacity in ata_sd_as3525.c after it's calculated ? (~line 260) ? and substract from that what dmesg reports for when you plug it over usb
09:45:32bertrikok
09:48:22bertrikI think the result of cmd8 only indicates what kind of specification it supports, not whether it is an sdhc card. The SDHC property can only be determined from bit 31 of the OCR, IIRC
09:48:49bertrikI have a (full-size) SD card that responds to CMD8 but is not SDHC
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09:52:32bertrikhmm, somehow I had not svn updated properly
09:52:34funmanbertrik: i just use it to set or not the bit 30 of the ocr I send to the card
09:52:39funmanah
09:53:15funmanplease try again and tell me if it works with the default formatting (fat32 partition directly on the disk), because i reformatted to create a real partition
09:55:29bertrikyay, it works now. I don't see anything about capacity though (probably goes too fast) and I get File not found (obviously)
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10:05:08bertrikfunman, the sd card reports 1027342336 bytes, dmesg reports 1016856576 bytes
10:07:10funmanthat's 10MB reserved for the OF
10:07:33funmanmore exactly: ((of_size_in_bytes/512)-2)*2*512 bytes
10:07:36bertrikexactly :)
10:08:17funmanthe e200/fuze/clipv2 ofsize is ((clip_of_size/512)-2)*3*512
10:08:29funmanstrange because for the fuze there is an of which is the same size than the clip
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10:15:01funmanbertrik: what's your drive configuration: one real partition table, or only a fat32 partition (only /dev/sdb and no /dev/sdb1) ?
10:15:56amiconnThe latter is called superfloppy format
10:16:37bertrikI only have a /dev/sdb, no /dev/sdb1. In the past I've done a format from within the OF.
10:16:53funmani noticed the first sector ended with the partition table magic (0x55 0xAA)
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10:17:09amiconnAn MBR ends with the same signature
10:17:25amiconnThat's why you can only differentiate by probing
10:18:00amiconnI mean MBR and fat boot sector have the same signature
10:18:40funmanamiconn: did you see my message this night ?
10:18:42bertrikfunman, does your main rockbox firmware show or do anything yet?
10:19:01funmanit shows the rockbox logo, and then powers off itself after ~10 seconds
10:19:18funmanbut i had to modify a bit the SD driver to not initialize everything again
10:19:57funmanbut then it reports 0 partition so I guess something must still be wrong
10:20:22funmanI skip the controller power up since it's been made by the OF, and use cmd 7 with RCA 0 (deselect card) to read again CID/CSD
10:20:29funmanand RCA
10:25:13funmanwell not the CID
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10:28:15bertrikoh, i2c to the as3525 codec part must now be running at over 1 MHz ...
10:28:58*funman looks somewhere else
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10:40:05J-23Why don't you notify people about new commits via Jabber?
10:40:36JdGordonwho is "you"?
10:41:10J-23hmm...
10:43:04J-23funman: /home/Moarc/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(backlight-e200v2-fuze.o): In function `_backlight_on': backlight-e200v2-fuze.c:(.text._backlight_on+0x24): undefined reference to `as3525_codec_write'
10:43:39funmanJ-23: please stop asking me for support
10:44:43J-23?!?
10:45:34funmani won't help you to build non functional code if you are not going to modify it
10:46:42J-23so this code must be buggy?
10:47:02funmanthis code sure is buggy, and there is no need to build it if you are not going to develop it
10:47:19funmanjust dive in, and join the force!
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10:50:18funmanI'm reading invalid data from the SD in the loaded firmware, but all the statuses seem valids
10:51:27n1sI cant figure out this fm chip interface selection on the beast, IIUC I need to either modify SEN, SDIO and GPIO3 or GPIO1 and GPIO3 but AFAICT neither SEN nor GPIO1 is connected to anything...
10:52:13funmanok it's 'fixed', i.e. the clip powers off immediately
10:53:46n1s... or i am missing something basic :/
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10:54:51*J-23 prepared a patch that changes all as3525_codec to ascodec in backlight-e200v2-fuze.c
10:54:55bertrikn1s, haven't look really closely at the si470x bus selection yet, but maybe some of the bus selection pins simply have pull-ups
10:55:28bertrikJ-23, I was just looking into that too, my fault, I'll fix it, OK?
10:55:43J-23ok, if you want
10:56:27J-23what's now needed to do to send signal to audio output?
10:57:51bertrikan i2s driver, or maybe an analog radio output (but that would be cheating a bit)
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11:00:47J-23What chips control I²S communication? Can I²S code be copied from any other target?
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11:07:05bertrikthere is an i2s controller in the as3525 which basically exchanges audio data with the codec part inside the as3525
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11:24:11funmanwoaw I have the rockbox menu, incredible ;)
11:24:28JdGordonwell done :D
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11:26:17funmanoh it doesn't want to load anymore .. still fragile ;)
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12:13:23bertrikI stubbed the hell out of all the non-implemented sansa v2 hardware drivers and now see a status bar and a USB logo :P
12:13:48JdGordonusb logo? youve got usb_detect returning the wrong value?
12:14:51n1sthis is my initial attempt at reading chip id and manufacturer from the si4700 in the beast, which fails. If anyone can spot obvious mistakes or suggest how to try to figure it out. http://pastebin.ca/1249447
12:14:52bertrikJdGordon, yes
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13:02:01bertrikn1s, I think the i2c address should be << 1
13:03:11bertrikSo use 0x20 instead of 0x10. There are different conventions on how exactly to specify the i2c address (with or without the R/W bit) and it seems the imx driver expects it with R/W bit
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13:13:27n1sbertrik: ah, will try that out
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13:17:45n1sno difference...
13:24:12bertrikare you sure it actually uses i2c and not the 3-wire interface? and do you know what kind of bus selection method is used by the OF?
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13:31:49bertrikI more or less assumed that it was possible to do single address reads/writes, but apparently reads always start at register 0x0A and writes at register 0x02
13:33:24bertrikn1s, do you at least get an i2c ack from the tuner chip?
13:34:50n1sbertrik: i have not checked for that, but will try to later, got to go now
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13:38:32bertrikhmm, the build table has holes in it, never seen that before
13:39:35Bagderit's a bug in the master script
13:39:45Bagderbut it happens very rarely so I've not chased after it much
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14:42:33kugelbertrik: So, did you need to reformat your player?
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15:08:48kugelgevaerts: why is (CONFIG_STORAGE & STORAGE_MMC) true for fuze? I only see STORAGE_SD defined
15:09:06kugelfdinel: hey :) great success by funman today
15:10:22n1sbertrik: if i read 8 bytes i get some non-zero, i'm not quite sure if I understand what you mean about reads starting at 0x0A though
15:11:44fdinelkugel: hey yes awesome work again :D
15:13:46kugelgevaerts: ok, it's not true. but in usb.c a variable gets a value which is only initialized for STORAGE_MMC (and thus it gives compiling errors)
15:14:19kugelIf I had buttons :S
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15:27:26kugelfdinel: you don't have new findings, do you?
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15:31:31gevaertskugel: what variable?
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15:35:06kugelgevaerts: usb_mmc_countdown (line 358 in usb.c)
15:35:38MdPhoenixI just installed RockBox on an iPod mini. Works great. But no more wheel clicky sound. Can this be fixed?
15:36:00kugelthat part is only used if HAVE_USBSTACK is not defined
15:36:30gevaertsMdPhoenix: there is a (serious) bug in the keyclick code, so it's disabled until that bug gts fixed
15:36:45gevaertskugel: indeed. That's a bug. I'll fix it
15:37:01n1sgevaerts: does that use the piezo though?
15:37:13MdPhoenixgevaerts: Ahh! That must be what I read about RockBox killing the click wheel altogether in older releases?
15:37:29gevaertsn1s: I may be confused of course
15:38:08gevaertsMdPhoenix: you're probably better off ignoring me for now. There are separate click things around, and I'm probably confusing them
15:38:22MdPhoenixHahaha. It's cool man. Thanks for the quick answer anyway.
15:38:24*pixelma doesn't know of Rockbox "killing" the click wheel altogether
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15:42:27MdPhoenixPixelma: I just went back to find what I thought I had read. I'm totally mistaken. My fault.
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15:48:04MdPhoenixWell thanks guys for letting me pique your brains for a brief moment. Thanks for the great project!
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15:50:12gevaertskugel: it should work properly now
15:51:31kugelgevaerts: I saw the commit. the variable is initialized #if (CONFIG_STORAGE & STORAGE_MMC) && defined(USB_FULL_INIT)
15:53:20kugeland not only #if (CONFIG_STORAGE & STORAGE_MMC). so, the #if you've added should also have && defined(USB_FULL_INIT) if I'm not wrong
15:55:10gevaertshm, probably, yes. I'd prefer to let someone who acually know what usb_mmc_countdown is fix it propwrly though
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16:28:01bertrikkugel, didn't need to reformat, just did it because I was curious.. :)
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16:30:40bertrikn1s, as far as I understand the datasheet, it it not possible to directly read from register 0, you need to read an entire register block, 16 registers max, 2 bytes per register (MSB first)
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16:37:39bertrikn1s, so to read the deviceid register (reg 0) you need to read at least 14 bytes, the first 12 bytes will contain data from registers 0xA to 0xF and the last 2 bytes contain the data from register 0
16:38:04bertrikalso I think you should not send any kind of sub-address when reading the data
16:38:06n1sbertrik: where did you find this info?
16:38:22bertrikin the datasheet of course :P
16:39:10n1sfor the si4700?
16:39:58bertrikfor the si4702/3, assuming they are similar to the si4700
16:42:03bertrikI've seen a linux driver, I'll check it if my assumption is correct
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16:47:59bertrikhm, the linux driver doesn't directly talk to the radio chip I think, there's some kind of USB bridge between the linux driver and the si470x
16:48:20n1sah, yes found the note about reading and writing start adresses
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16:49:24n1sbtw, it seems my earlier non-zero bytes were bogus, because i tried to read from a known bad chip id and that gave the same result.
16:53:55n1sbertrik: if i use "-1" for the sub address (raw read) i seem to get the chip id and manufacturer id, thanks! :)
16:54:42bertrikgreat!
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17:18:35kugelfdinel: have you found the diagnosis mode?
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17:20:45kugelbertrik: how far did you come booting rockbox?
17:22:18bertrikI have not been able to get into the main menu, but if I stub usb_detect to return 0, I see the status bar with the USB plug image
17:22:26amiconngevaerts: Why was that #if even necessary?
17:23:10amiconnIt's in the #else block of #ifdef HAVE_USBSTACK, and within #ifdef HAVE_HOTSWAP
17:23:15bertrikbacklight goes off after 5 seconds and comes up again when pressing a button
17:23:28kugelnice
17:23:44amiconnSo it only applies to targets with hardware usb *and* hotswap - and the only such target is the Ondio
17:23:55bertrikI tried to use the as3514 RTC routines, but I get a different time after each boot ... :)
17:24:14kugelamiconn: i got compiling errors since i didn'T define HAVE_USBSTACK yet for the fuze
17:25:01kugelthe variable is initialized conditionally, but used unconditionally
17:25:10amiconnWhy? The ams targets all need software usb, don't they?
17:26:20kugelbertrik: random time? sounds evil :p
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17:27:54bertrikfunman was able to boot into a rockbox menu
17:28:04kugelyep, I read that
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17:32:24bertrikkugel, we need to start thinking about how to suppress the clip database refresh :P
17:34:08soapresponse to six day old comment regarding dropping brand names from the configure menu and just listing the targets alphabetically - there are potential collisions (both Sandisk and iRiver make an e100 series for example)
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17:44:13kugelbertrik: well, you do. I think about getting the fuze's database refresh away :p
17:44:31kugelbertrik: it's not as annoying as the v1 refresh though
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17:50:49kugel"region DRAM is full" ??
17:52:01n1sbertrik: writing seems to work ok to, unfortunately RL is calling
17:52:35n1skugel: as in you are trying to link a binary that is larger than the section it is supposed to fit inside
17:52:47n1ss/section/region/
17:53:53kugeluhm
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17:56:36kugeln1s: a hint on how to fix that?
17:56:52kugelprobably app.lds, but I've never messed with that
17:57:00bertrikyes, I have a menu on my clip!
17:58:12kugelbertrik: nice :)
17:58:16rasherbertrik: Congrats
17:59:08bertrikfunman already did it before me (but he's asleep now I think)
17:59:43rasherCommit, commit, commit!
17:59:45kugelhow can dram be full?
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18:00:17bertrikoh now it doesn't work anymore
18:00:38kugelwants to see the menu as well :((((((((
18:00:48kugel+/me
18:02:17kugelDRAMORIG is the base adress of the sdram isn't it?
18:03:27bertrik0x30000000 IIRC
18:04:30kugelbertrik: yep, what's before that?
18:06:11kugelbertrik: can you help me with that? arm-elf/bin/ld: region DRAM is full (/home/kugel/rbdev/rockbox-fuze/build/apps/rockbox.elf section .bss)
18:06:39kugeldramsize is 8*0x10000, should be plenty
18:07:14bertrikI don't know about that part
18:07:54kugelhmm
18:08:03kugelusing 8 instead of MEMORYSIZE helps
18:11:17kugelbertrik: cross fingers!
18:11:55kugelbertrik: *PANIC* disk_init failed!
18:11:58bertrikI got the menu only once, it seems to hang somewhere during or closely after mounting
18:12:40bertrikI "fixed" that by reverting r19049
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18:13:03kugeloh
18:13:22kugelcan I revert a single revision?
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18:15:09bertrikI'm just tinkering at this point, you can make a patch between revisions with svn diff -r 19048:19049 and apply it with patch -p0 -R
18:15:20kugelbertrik: thanks
18:16:56kugelbertrik: still this error
18:24:12kugelbertrik: your clip is 1GB as well, isn't it?
18:26:20bertrikyes, got the cheapest one because I thought I would brick it in no-time
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18:28:07kugelthe capacity of my fuze is also detected wrongly
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18:30:25kugelbertrik: would you like to commit my sansa fuze sim?
18:34:29bertrikok, I'll have a look at it
18:34:59bertrikI was able to boot into the menu again, it seems it only succeeds only 1 in every 20 or so
18:35:06bertrikbut I got pictures this time
18:36:20kugelbertrik: link?
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18:39:49bertrikbertrik.sikken.nl/clipmenu1.jpg and clipmenu2.jpg
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18:42:50bertrikthe 'port' directory on the file system is not visible in the OF
18:45:16kugelso cool <3. Have you tried to play music? :)
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18:47:15bertrikno, it's no use even trying that
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18:48:26jchillerupbertrik: what platform are you developing on?
18:48:50jchillerupdeveloping *for*
18:51:05bertrikjchillerup, I use linux (ubuntu 8.10) to develop code for arm (as3525 has a arm922tdmi), using the rockbox arm toolchain
18:51:43jchillerupwrong phrasing :)
18:51:49jchillerupWhich player...
18:52:09kugelclip/sansav2
18:52:21kugelat least at this time
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18:52:35bertriksansa c200, e200 and clip (while trying to make sure other players' build still compile)
18:52:55jchillerupok
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19:03:27amiconnbertrik: The bicolor menu looks funny :)
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19:11:14*kugel is trying to run rockbox from the microsd
19:11:49amiconngevaerts: Correct handling of all unicode peculiarites seems to be impossible on embedded devices.
19:12:13rasheramiconn: we'd also need to do sorting based on language
19:12:24rasherIt seems a rather huge task
19:13:13amiconnfs9538 is probably not even half a solution. Your hints regarding (2) are correct. For German, that behaviour (sorting as a etc) is correct, but I know that it's clearly wrong for Swedish, and probably also Norwegian and Danish
19:14:56amiconnI once looked into the unicode line breaking algorithm... it has similar problems.
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19:17:10kugelbertrik, gevaerts: do you have an idea why the internal nand is wrongly deteced (in size), but my microsd not?
19:17:24kugelboth should be sdhc
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19:21:34jchillerupamiconn: it is different for Danish and Norwegian, too
19:22:35bertrikkugel, no idea. I would like to see the CSD data for the internal memory to verify if it really reports only 1 GB
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19:26:25kugelbertrik: csd version is 1.0
19:27:08kugelbertrik: csd v1 == sd ; csd v2 == sdhc?
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19:29:58kugelbertrik: my microsd reports csd version 2.0
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19:36:29kugelah yea, I was right (i looked at the sd manual)
19:37:10kugelbertrik: if the internal memory reports as csd v1, doesn't that mean it's 2x2GB normal sd?
19:37:40kugelor maybe even 4x1GB, since it's reported as 1GB
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19:44:10vladanianHi guys −− I'm getting an http 404 download error from the rockbox utility
19:44:58vladanianOn the second thing the installer is trying to DL
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19:45:19bertrikkugel, as far as I know, high-capacity only depends on the HCS bit in the OCR register
19:45:42vladanianCan I get that from some place else and put it in my cache folder, or something?
19:46:01Strife89vladanian: Maybe.
19:46:27pixelmavladanian: is that the themes installation?
19:46:28*Strife89 did not use the Rockbox Utility to install.
19:46:31bertrikkugel, also as far as I know, the version in the csd register is only relevant for the layout of the csd and has no relation to the card being high-capacity or not
19:47:04kugelbertrik: I'm reading a manual/data sheet. The csd structure version indicates HC or not
19:47:54kugelbertrik: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdcard/pls/Simplified_Physical_Layer_Spec.pdf page 77
19:47:59vladanianpixelma: I'm not sure −− I'm doing the "complete installation"
19:50:14bertrikI think you should rely on the OCR not on the CSD
19:51:01kugelhave you read that? the documents also tells that bit 30 of the OCR indicates HC
19:51:17vladanianI started out with sansapatcher, but it said I had installed a prev version of RB, which is true, and that I needed to restore my orig firmware, and it provided a link to instructions
19:51:24kugelyea, it's probably better to rely on the ocr
19:51:49pixelmavladanian: don't know the Rockbox Utility too good but if that's the part where it's trying to download stuff from "rockbox-themes.org" then there is nothing you can do about it currently. The site is down (and was outdated anyways) and is supposed to be replaced later. At the moment you can only install themes manually that you'd need to download from the WpsGallery in the Rockbox wiki
19:52:39vladanianbut the instructions just said read the manual, and I don't see orig fm restore directions in here
19:52:56bertrikkugel, can you send me the raw CSD?
19:53:08kugelbertrik: I think so, yes
19:53:35kugelcard_info[drive].csd[3] right?
19:54:03kugelor card_info[drive].csd?
19:55:41bertrikI don't really trust those kinds of interpreted fields, but rather know the raw data that the card returns
19:56:45Strife89vladanian: Hence the existance of the Wiki. :)
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19:57:39Strife89vladanian: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port
19:57:45kugelbertrik: can you have a look at the sdhc detection in ata_sd_as3525.c (line ~200)? looks rather weird to me
19:58:14Strife89vladanian: Strike that; what DAP are you using?
19:58:30*Strife89 owns a c200. >.<
19:59:09kugelbertrik: how long is the csd?
19:59:25vladanianStrife89: a sansa e280
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20:00:28Strife89vladanian: Alright, take a look at this page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Port
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20:02:39vladanianStrife89: thanks, will do
20:05:24kugelbertrik: not sure if that's right, but I got: 0x92404018
20:06:13kugelbertrik: I did: printf("csd: %x ", *(card_info[drive].csd));
20:08:33bertrikit should be 16 bytes
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20:13:57kugelbertrik: ok, how about this? 92404018befbcfff5f5984d3260032
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20:18:31bertrikthat's only 15 bytes if I counted correctly
20:20:14kugelbertrik: wait, I'll do it again. I possibly typed wrong. Have you looked at the sdhc detection in ata_sd_as3525.c? Not sure how it's exactly done, but it doesn't look like it would use the ocr register
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20:28:47kugelbertrik: 92404018befbcfff5f5983d3260032, I only get 15bytes
20:29:08kugelbertrik: this is my printf: printf("csd: %x%x%x%x ", card_info[drive].csd[0],card_info[drive].csd[1],
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20:36:15bertrikkugel, one of the 32-bit words probably starts with 0x00 and the %x skips those leading zeros
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20:37:02bertrikI'm confused because csd_version seems to indicate 2, which is not a valid value
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20:37:21kugelbertrik: if it's the case, the last one is is 1byte shorter
20:37:34Namitehello, do you guys know if anyone is working on Rockbox for the Creative ZEN (no surname)?
20:39:50Namiteehrm, 150 people on the channel and not even a response? never had that before...
20:40:14advcomp2019Namite, you might have to look on the forums
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20:40:24LloreanNamite: You waited a very short time, asked a question that few people can answer definitively, and you're upset?
20:40:51Namitenot upset, but most times I've joined chats, people were more active ;)
20:41:13LloreanNamite: Well, your question is not easy it answer.
20:41:21Namiteon the forums the topic is quite dead, but maybe somebody was working on it
20:41:26LloreanFor example, nobody can simply say "no" definitively, because someone could be working on it we don't know about it.
20:41:54LloreanSo, most of us stay silent, since we can't give an absolute and useful answer. Plus at least 130 people in the channel right now probably are busy at work or other things, and don't even check the channel, or won't check it often.
20:42:15LloreanYour only real recourse is to trust the forum thread.
20:42:20Namitei did read someone was doing something on it on epizenter.net, but maybe someone over here was making progress on it too
20:42:50LloreanWe only know what people tell us, and we tell them to update the forum threads for whatever port they're working on
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20:46:05Namitecan I help or speed up the process in any way? i do have a ZEN and can test things out, but don't know anything about firmware coding
20:46:31BigBambiThen without learning, not really
20:46:40BigBambiYou need to code stuff to test
20:47:13Namiteor test codes made by someone else?
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20:47:33BigBambia) What test code?
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20:47:40BigBambib) I suspect they will test it themselves
20:48:09BigBambiI very much doubt you will find someone putting the months of effort in needed for a port without owning one
20:49:51BigBambi(unless they are working on a similar DAP so you can test if what they have written for theirs also works for yours)
20:50:02BigBambiHowever, as Llorean said, all info is in the forum thread
20:50:12Namitepoor me then :(. that sd library integration issue really sucks by the way... is there anyone who knows a fix for that problem only?
20:50:23Namitei think i'll keep reading the forums then
20:50:36LloreanNamite: This channel is for Rockbox, we really don't know anything about other players, nor do we encourage general MP3 player discussion here.
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20:51:47kugelbertrik: how do you tell the csd version indicates 2?
20:52:26kugelbertrik: the last byte is 32, which means the very last bit is 0
20:52:33kugeland 0 is a valid value
20:53:30kugelbertrik: oh, the version is 2 bits. well 2 is a valid value, but reserved
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20:54:36bertrikkugel, I wrote a little csd parser which I tested with a lot of other cards and I've never seen a value of 2
20:54:53bertrikmaybe I should revert the order of the 32-bit words to fit my parser
20:55:08bertrikhow much memory does your fuze have?
20:55:15kugel4GB
20:55:21kugeland it's not sdhc
20:56:44bertrikah swapping the words makes a lot of sense now :)
20:58:57kugelbertrik: the sdhc detection in ata_sd_as3525 still looks weird to me
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21:06:15bertrikI'll look at that later
21:06:42bertrikyuk, what a mess this CSD business is in rockbox
21:06:52kugelbertrik: it seems the sdhc status needs to be known to retrieve the ocr register?
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21:19:32J-23hmm, what on v2's is needed to support >1GB memory?
21:20:30kugelbank switching
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21:21:14Kilian]hi
21:21:17kugelmore than 1GB is supported (my microsd is read correctly), but the internal memory seems to be some kind of raid of 1GB sd cards
21:21:54Kilian]is it possible to run rockbox on an old thinkpad 560e 166mHz with 16 mb of ram ?
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21:24:40LloreanKilian]: Rockbox runs on MP3 players, the simulator is more of a development tool and as such isn't really tested or performance optimized for PCs
21:25:34Kilian]okay, then i should search an other distri for this old pc ;)
21:25:38Kilian]bye
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21:29:09kugel"distri"? :S
21:29:52*Llorean assumes "distro" as in "Linux distro"
21:33:30BigBambiWow, Rockbox isn't just not based on linux, it now isn't a linux distro too!
21:35:35Bensawsomelol it is..........
21:35:42Bensawsomeerr it is?
21:36:06Bensawsomeoh BigBambi iread it wrong XD
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21:55:14leachim6hey
21:55:24leachim6...I just installed 3.0-svn
21:55:37leachim6does there exist a script to fetch all of the album art for your albums in bmp format ?
21:55:45leachim6so it can work with rockbox ?
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22:00:56kugelhave a look at the AlbumArt wiki page, there's some tools suggested
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22:10:40*bertrik wonders why there are two identical wiki pages about the sansa fuze: Fuze and SansaFuze
22:11:45kugelbertrik: lol, DanielWeigl just created them
22:12:14bertrikIMO, one of them has to go, I think Fuze should go, SansaFuze should stay
22:13:15*kugel agrees
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22:14:31LloreanShouldn't it be SandiskSansaFuze or SandiskFuze?
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22:16:00J-23Llorean: all other models are SansaMODEL
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22:16:52LloreanThen maybe they ought to be fixed too.
22:17:24bertrikok, DanielWeigl is probably already wondering how to rename pages
22:18:25bertrikLlorean, and change all wiki pages about ipods to AppleIpodXXX too?
22:19:55Lloreanbertrik: Just in my opinion, but it'd at least give a consistent structure.
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22:44:21leachim6also...each song on my iPod has 2 or 3 copies
22:44:26leachim6but my library only has one of each
22:44:33leachim6why might this happen?
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23:07:20kugelbertrik: did you make sure the csd version is 2?
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23:13:12bertrikkugel, no the csd version turned out to be 0, what confused me was the endianness of the csd
23:14:42bertrikendianness -> order of the 32-bit units
23:14:53kugelbertrik: I had shot at doing the bank switch, but unlike to v1, the capacity is reported as 1GB (v1 reported >=4GB)
23:15:03kugelbertrik: I know what endianess is :)
23:15:31kugelanyway, I don't see a way to tell if the internal memory is reported as 1GB correctly or incorrectly
23:15:42amiconnbertrik: Did you check the block size?
23:16:03amiconnMaybe it's not the usual 512 bytes
23:16:49bertrikyes, it's 512 bytes both on a 1GB clip and a 4GB fuze
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23:22:07bertrikassuming the CSD that the sd/mmc driver reports is really the CSD as the card sent it, it seems at least partially bogus
23:23:07bertrikfor example, the CRC for the fuze and the clip are the same, yet the data is slightly different. Also some reserved bits that should be 0 are set in the fuze csd. Finally the last bit of the CSD should always be 1 according to the spec, but it is 0.
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23:25:41newUser123hello?
23:26:21rasherYes, hello
23:26:39newUser123i just got rockbox
23:26:47newUser123what should i do?
23:27:05rasherYou could read the manual
23:27:18newUser123i did, i understand it
23:27:27newUser123what settings/plugins do you recommend?
23:27:46LloreanIt's entirely a matter of taste. We can't decide whether or not you like the equalizer, for example.
23:28:16newUser123true
23:28:26newUser123i am going to be using this for scientific research
23:28:52newUser123now, if the volume is at -40 db, what does that mean? i understand db = decibels, but -40 from what?
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23:29:12Bagderfrom 0 ;-)
23:29:19LloreanFrom "not altered"
23:29:22massiveH0 being 100% player volume output
23:29:26newUser123ha
23:29:28LloreanmassiveH: No.
23:29:34Llorean100% being "not altered" or "line level"
23:29:38LloreanSome players have positive values.
23:29:39newUser123so it is just based on the sound file, and my source of output?
23:29:42LloreanThey may introduce clipping.
23:29:51LloreannewUser123: Sound file and player, yes.
23:29:56massiveHLlorean, oh, didn't know others went positive
23:30:10massiveHmy iriver only goes to 0
23:30:54newUser123is it safe for me to go into .rockbox/langs/ and delete everything but English?
23:31:28kugelbertrik: well, I also believe that it's not entirely correct what the current driver produces
23:31:55rashernewUser123: the other languages are only used if you select them, so in that sense, yes. It won't save a lot of space
23:32:41newUser123just to be safe. I mean, seriously, why have them? My brother or someone would be one to change the language on me or something
23:33:01domonokywow nand access on the sansa v2 player is working ? Hurray...
23:33:34newUser123just saved 356 KB of space ;P
23:33:51BagdernewUser123: well, you'll get them again the next time you update your rockbox install
23:34:07newUser123oh....
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23:41:16PaulJamhmm, is it now sufficient to just type "make zip" in order to build rockbox? (instead of "make && make zip")
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23:41:38massiveHmake builds the binaries, make zip just zips up all those binaries
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23:42:28rasherPaulJam: I think Zagor changed so that it is, but Bagder said he didn't find it a good idea
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23:43:44PaulJamok, thanks
23:43:54bertrikdomonoky, yeah funman hacked all night, here's a picture of the rockbox menu running on the clip (very unstable still): bertrik.sikken.nl/clipmenu2.jpg">http://bertrik.sikken.nl/clipmenu2.jpg
23:44:16domonokybertrik: wow.. very nice.
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23:49:59funmanhey i just saw the e200v1 reports a 4GB card
23:50:20funmanmaybe there is N 1GB cards in the SansaV2 ?
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23:52:42mc2739hey funman, great work on the clip!
23:53:42funmanthanks, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work on >1GB capacities
23:55:04mc2739no, but you can't always have perfection on the first try
23:55:23funmanthat's already an useful step indeed
23:56:02domonokyfunman: congratulations on your work !
23:56:33funmancongratulations to Daniel Ankers who wrote ata-sd-pp.c :P
23:57:06Bagderand congratulations to mrH who extracted the info for Daniel Ankers...
23:57:44funmangroup work is very efficient

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