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| 00:05:41 | gevaerts | kugel: sorry, I'm a bit busy with other things now |
| 00:05:59 | kugel | gevaerts: Ok |
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| 00:16:22 | Kilroo | Hm. Wonder why the stable build isn't an option. |
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| 00:31:09 | bustaplz | if I install RockBox on my ipod will I have any issues using my FM transmitter or car dock? |
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| 00:39:41 | Xyden | hi all. |
| 00:39:52 | Xyden | so, how long should a build of rockbox take under cygwin? |
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| 00:45:10 | pixelma | this can vary a lot, depending on your computer. Generally cygwin is quite slow and e.g. some virus scanners can slow down the process even more. |
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| 00:52:39 | Xyden | so taking about 8 hours to compile rb isn't heard of? |
| 00:52:48 | Xyden | I mean isn't rare? |
| 00:53:03 | Xyden | when I compile it on my linux box, it is much faster |
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| 00:56:55 | pixelma | 8 hours sounds much too much |
| 00:58:04 | pixelma | e.g. for me it takes a bit more than 10 minutes and so far the longest time I heard of was about 30 minutes |
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| 01:43:52 | bustaplz | What would happen if I deleted all the files that were added to my ipod by itunes? |
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| 01:44:08 | bustaplz | I'd rather manage my music manually |
| 01:46:02 | Unhelpful | bustaplz: if you delete them, they're not on your ipod any more :D |
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| 01:49:44 | bustaplz | Well, where should I put my music? |
| 01:49:55 | bustaplz | Is there a preferred directory to start in? |
| 01:51:15 | Unhelpful | rockbox doesn't really care. organize it however you like, or don't organize it at all, and use the tag database. |
| 01:51:46 | bustaplz | can I just make a Music dir in root? |
| 01:52:11 | bustaplz | I have most of my music well organized so I'd like to just drag it into a dir |
| 01:52:14 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 01:52:18 | bustaplz | cool |
| 01:52:27 | bustaplz | oh yeah, rockbox is the shit |
| 01:53:19 | bustaplz | i don't have to use iTunes ever again do I? |
| 01:53:53 | Llorean | nope |
| 01:55:16 | bustaplz | Martin Sexton - Happy |
| 01:55:23 | bustaplz | listen to it |
| 01:55:26 | bustaplz | it's how I feel |
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| 02:41:15 | Xyden | pixelma, I know it is wierd, I dont know what is up... |
| 02:41:34 | Xyden | this system is pretty fast, its a core 2 duo 2.4 ghz system with 3g of ram... |
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| 02:43:49 | Xyden | any ideas why it would take 8 hours to compile rockbox on my system? |
| 02:44:48 | Unhelpful | none at all, it takes a minute or two on mine. what's your build environment? |
| 02:44:58 | Llorean | Cygwin, so he should expect 5-7 minutes |
| 02:45:32 | soap | because you're running cgywin inside vmware with a 1991 SCSI-I drive connected? |
| 02:46:50 | Strife89 | soap: ;) |
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| 02:50:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, looks like someone seems to have gotten sound on the GoGear HDD1620 (so he says): http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19504.0 |
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| 03:02:45 | Xyden | no, running windows vista sp1, on my notebook, core 2 duo 2.4 ghz 3g ram, its really wierd. |
| 03:02:57 | Xyden | I'm going to try and build rb on another machine. |
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| 03:40:05 | pixelma | he was trying to build rbutil? That's probably another story and I never tried myself... |
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| 03:43:11 | pixelma | still shouldn't take 8 hours, I guess, but it might need some other tools in the environment. That information might have been important, oh well... |
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| 04:01:58 | Segadude | Hi |
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| 04:06:24 | advcomp2019 | Segadude, hello.. you have a question? |
| 04:06:41 | Segadude | yeah |
| 04:06:59 | Segadude | Is there an nes emulator? |
| 04:09:52 | Llorean | Only a not-entirely-working patch. |
| 04:09:57 | Llorean | Nobody's working on it. |
| 04:10:14 | Segadude | How does that work? |
| 04:10:30 | Llorean | You have to compile it yourself. |
| 04:10:55 | Segadude | dang! |
| 04:11:08 | Llorean | As I said, it doesn't entirely work anyway. |
| 04:11:31 | Segadude | Well is there anymore games? |
| 04:11:59 | Llorean | There's a list of plugins in the manual |
| 04:14:29 | Segadude | Just wondering.... is there gonna be a port of rockbox for the new iPod Nanos and iPod Classic and iPod Touch? |
| 04:14:39 | Llorean | Only if people who are interested in it do the work. |
| 04:15:00 | Llorean | They are not planned, this is entirely volunteer stuff where people work on what they want done. |
| 04:15:19 | Segadude | hmm... I'm glad I have a first gen nano! |
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| 05:57:05 | n17ikh|Lappy | question: are there any rockbox-able players that have recording from line-in? |
| 05:57:55 | scorche | plenty |
| 05:59:09 | n17ikh|Lappy | I'm guessing not the sansas |
| 05:59:35 | n17ikh|Lappy | how bout the H10? |
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| 06:00:21 | Llorean | Does the H10 even have a line in without making a custom connector? |
| 06:00:34 | Llorean | If you want to use line in, you're probably best off looking at the h100 series. |
| 06:00:42 | n17ikh|Lappy | kinda what I figured |
| 06:00:46 | Llorean | Or maybe the X5/M5 |
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| 06:01:27 | scorche | even the ipods have a line-in on the dock connector |
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| 07:04:22 | SolarP1993DS | hey |
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| 07:05:11 | SolarP1993DS | Hows the port of rockbox for the iPod nano 2nd gen looking? |
| 07:05:30 | scorche | pretty invisible....as if it isnt even there... |
| 07:05:43 | scorche | (no one is working on it, so....) |
| 07:05:53 | SolarP1993DS | oh thats too bad |
| 07:05:58 | SolarP1993DS | well not for me |
| 07:06:07 | SolarP1993DS | but for a friend |
| 07:07:51 | SolarP1993DS | How about a usb mode for the sansa c200? |
| 07:08:10 | scorche | how about it? |
| 07:08:31 | scorche | have you read the wiki page? |
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| 07:17:40 | Unhelpful | looking at how album art is loaded now... i'm thinking we pass in a pointer to the buffer and a size available to the loader, it can pass the buffer pointer on to the scaler, etc, each layer of this adjusting the free space and pointer as needed before passing it on |
| 07:18:23 | Unhelpful | seems easier than having a scaler_get_buf_size, and a loader_get_buf_size, etc, and having to call all of them and decide how much buffer is needed to read the file |
| 07:19:56 | Unhelpful | and if we want to expose the same loader and scaler to the plugin API, the plugin can use the plugin buffer instead of the audio buffer |
| 07:26:31 | Unhelpful | and each level can return a sentinel value if there's not enough memory for it to do its job - do we have an ENOMEM defined already? |
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| 07:42:58 | amiconn | n1s: ping |
| 07:44:29 | amiconn | Hmpf, dependencies for codecs are still broken |
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| 07:47:28 | Unhelpful | is *that* why i had some trouble with codec errors and unified make patch, pre-commit? |
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| 07:52:13 | amiconn | idk |
| 07:52:21 | amiconn | I didn't try that patch before commit |
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| 08:02:49 | Unhelpful | i don't suppose anybody about right now could say what happens to cover art bitmaps on the buffer when the WPS changes to a new one with larger or smaller cover art? |
| 08:04:29 | Unhelpful | *here* right now |
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| 09:15:53 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 09:15:55 | TiMiDo | anyone in here |
| 09:19:00 | Unhelpful | yes, do you have a question? |
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| 09:28:11 | spark1 | anyone from colorado |
| 09:28:15 | spark1 | springs |
| 09:28:41 | scorche | does this have something to do with rockbox? |
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| 10:57:16 | bonsaiMonkey | hi, i have a question about the cowon x5l Rockbox status sheet, it says power handling 10%, does this mean instead of 35hours(factory) it only last for 3.5 hours? |
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| 10:59:53 | Unhelpful | i'm not involved in porting, but that sort of thing more likely means that the code for talking to the device's power management systems is estimated to be about 10% done |
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| 11:00:21 | scorche | heh...no no no...we actually exceed the original firmware's time...i wouldnt worry about what that page says... |
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| 11:03:16 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: Have you thought about posting to the bitmap resize FS task to tell idak what you're doing? If you think his patch has flaws, it could be nice to tell him. |
| 11:03:26 | Unhelpful | dynamic bitmap line buffer breaks bitmap loading pretty much everywhere :/ |
| 11:04:40 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: it's not that i think his patch has flaws, so much as i've heard various concerns regarding what would need to be done for commit, that i'm trying to work on |
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| 11:06:21 | Unhelpful | the fixed read buffer may need to come back, too many things load bitmaps without having anywhere to allocate space from. |
| 11:07:26 | Unhelpful | i've probably broken all of the grey/mono stuff in his patch, too. i can post up the color stuff, but for everybody else, things just aren't ready. |
| 11:11:59 | Unhelpful | but given that i've seen things mentioned here that aren't on the FS task, and not everybody stays on top of IRC, maybe i better revert to the fixed-buffer version of my patch, and start adding some stuff to FS |
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| 11:20:34 | pixelma | bonsaiMonkey: in case of the X5 it means that Rockbox can't charge it but you are able to use the original firmware's means for it, runtime is as good as Cowon's firmware or even better |
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| 11:30:59 | bonsaiMonkey | pixelma: so no usb charge or?? i bought it this morning, will get it on thuseday, |
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| 11:32:24 | pixelma | you can get it to charge from USB but not with Rockbox (or while Rockbox is running) |
| 11:33:39 | Unhelpful | i ran my gigabeat s that way for a while. if you can actually turn the cowon firmware off and start rockbox without a paperclip, then running the OF to charge should be bearable. |
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| 11:37:16 | pixelma | Unhelpful: the X5 is quite different to the Gigabeat S there - you can't dual boot (officially) the complete firmware but the "Cowon loader" is still there. This is only active when you plug in the charger or USB while the unit is turned off, no reset necessary when after disconnecting. |
| 11:37:55 | JdGordon | kugel: whats the state of the v2's atm? |
| 11:38:06 | Unhelpful | pixelma: the S both requires non-redistributable files to build a dual-boot BL, and has an OF that will never ever truly turn off :/ |
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| 11:42:54 | bonsaiMonkey | thanks for the awnser, i think i'll use rockbox again |
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| 12:10:56 | yavi | hello |
| 12:11:32 | yavi | I was listening music with an ipod photo with rockbox but it is not working |
| 12:11:43 | yavi | I press play and select but it doesn't work |
| 12:11:52 | yavi | do you know what can I do? |
| 12:13:15 | soap | I do not understand what happened and what is not working. |
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| 12:13:37 | soap | Is your iPod Photo even on at this point, yavi? |
| 12:13:53 | soap | Oh, he waited a long time. |
| 12:14:45 | Unhelpful | meh. and i have my answer about buffered album art - absolutely nothing happens to it on WPS load. even if it's the wrong size. |
| 12:14:56 | Unhelpful | no idea how to fix *cleanly*, though :/ |
| 12:17:21 | Unhelpful | the buffer could get a max-sized, still 24-bit album art, and that could be scaled-on-draw. i doubt anybody would be happy with that. |
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| 12:45:11 | Unhelpful | first attempt at reworking resize-on-load is on FS #9458. any reports of hardware tests would be welcome, as well as comments on code/buffer size, fixes, etc. |
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| 13:23:33 | Lear | Hm, parallel make is slightly broken for me (in Cygwin). When making a full build, files including lang.h are compiled before lang.h is created. |
| 13:29:11 | n1s | amiconn: pong, i bench midi playback by counting number of skips, they more than halved on my most complex testfile, i'm not sure how to get %numbers out of this though (the usage of likely() in the while() condition gave the biggest gain |
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| 13:30:48 | n1s | this test was on c200 btw |
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| 13:38:11 | amiconn | Isn't there an option to decode without pcm output and measure the speed? |
| 13:38:46 | amiconn | n1s: The ping was due to something else, btw. Imo it should be LIKELY() and UNLIKELY() (caps), as those are preprocessor macros |
| 13:39:54 | n1s | i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to hack a benchmarking mode into it. |
| 13:40:24 | n1s | if you feel strongly about the al-caps thing i'll change it |
| 13:41:22 | soap | http://www.anysystem.com/ugly-e3500-special-2.html |
| 13:41:33 | soap | what would I do with a 12 core 400mhz machine? |
| 13:41:42 | soap | sounds cool, though, gotta give it that. |
| 13:41:56 | pixelma | port Rockbox to it? ;) |
| 13:41:57 | amiconn | docs/CONTRIBUTING says: "Preprocessor symbols and enum constants should be all upper case." |
| 13:42:11 | amiconn | I know that this isn't adhered to 100% though |
| 13:42:12 | n1s | amiconn: ok, i'll change it |
| 13:43:20 | amiconn | In this case I think it makes sense, because right now it looks like an actual function, which it isn't. It's just a hint for gcc regarding branch optimisation |
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| 13:45:08 | Unhelpful | am i reading that correctly, as >99% off? |
| 13:47:16 | amiconn | n1s: You said some codces use this technique too? |
| 13:47:31 | * | amiconn already experimented a little with it in libdemac |
| 13:47:58 | n1s | amiconn: a few places in tremor already used it, see my commit, i changed them to use (un)likely |
| 13:48:22 | n1s | oh, and mpegplayer |
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| 13:50:47 | amiconn | Hmm. Were these optimisations done by rockbox devs, or are they from verbatim Tremor? |
| 13:52:14 | n1s | iirc the tremor stuff was tomal's work |
| 13:59:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The beast cannot go higher than 48kHz? |
| 13:59:49 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's the chip limit according to the datasheet (and filters) |
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| 14:00:03 | amiconn | ah |
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| 14:28:12 | n1s | amiconn: synthing one test track takes ~6% less time with the (un)likely tweaks so the gain is not huge |
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| 15:51:39 | RedSansa | is there anybody who knows to update old themes to RB 3.0 ? the changes like %pb and so on are corrected, but the text layout is strange and i'm not able to fix it |
| 15:53:14 | RedSansa | a longer explanation is posted in the forum under WPS Custom... Thread "Very cool theme - i need help to fix it" |
| 15:53:43 | RedSansa | its not a complex theme but it freaks me out ;) |
| 15:55:43 | advcomp2019 | RedSansa, you can read the thread or the wiki.. they talk about the new codes |
| 15:57:07 | RedSansa | i read it...i corrected it..i think its not the problem of the new version anymore. it seems to be a general problem |
| 15:58:33 | advcomp2019 | are you sure because if there is no value, you need to use - and you might have to move the values around too |
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| 16:01:01 | RedSansa | i tried a lot...probably its in front of me and i didnt see the problem |
| 16:01:28 | RedSansa | in the thread i attached also a picture of what it should look like |
| 16:02:08 | advcomp2019 | so you posted a photo of what it is doing then? |
| 16:02:50 | RedSansa | only a photo of what it looked like a few months ago |
| 16:02:56 | RedSansa | in the old version |
| 16:03:22 | RedSansa | before i started to correct it, it looked like junk |
| 16:03:37 | RedSansa | now its better but the texts are disolaced |
| 16:03:42 | RedSansa | displaced |
| 16:03:42 | advcomp2019 | o ok.. so what is wrong with it right now |
| 16:03:51 | advcomp2019 | plus what theme is it |
| 16:04:16 | RedSansa | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19496.0 |
| 16:06:03 | advcomp2019 | do you know if needs any custom build? |
| 16:06:30 | RedSansa | no it doesnt need any custom build |
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| 16:08:55 | RedSansa | the loaded graphics for "play" and so on are okay and working. its only the text (like filetype) which make trouble |
| 16:11:26 | advcomp2019 | o ok.. sounds like the theme might not be using ViewPort or using it be something else.. you might want to use pastebin so i could see what might be wrong |
| 16:13:09 | RedSansa | okay wait a moment |
| 16:14:50 | RedSansa | http://pastie.org/321366 |
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| 16:30:53 | advcomp2019 | RedSansa, i do not see anything wrong but i am not very good at looking at the WPS code tho |
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| 16:33:52 | RedSansa | what player do you have? |
| 16:34:20 | saratoga | Toni is back, and hes brought something new: FS #9570 - Sansa e200v1: Increased runtime by ~20% |
| 16:34:27 | advcomp2019 | i have a sansa e200 series |
| 16:35:52 | gevaerts | Another 20%? |
| 16:36:07 | * | gevaerts takes out the battery from his sansa as it's not really needed any more |
| 16:36:07 | RedSansa | cant you test the theme on your sansa? probably the probs are only on mine |
| 16:37:05 | advcomp2019 | i would need all the theme tho |
| 16:38:59 | bertrik | oh nice! |
| 16:40:37 | RedSansa | the theme is completley uploaded in the thread |
| 16:40:56 | RedSansa | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19496.0 |
| 16:41:28 | advcomp2019 | i see that now.. sorry about that |
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| 16:44:16 | saratoga | does anyone know what the FS entry for the sansa file corruption bug was? |
| 16:44:19 | saratoga | i can't seem to find it |
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| 16:46:17 | gevaerts | 8663? |
| 16:49:15 | saratoga | gevaerts: ah thanks |
| 16:49:25 | saratoga | mind if i edit the title there to mention the SD card? |
| 16:49:35 | gevaerts | Go ahead |
| 16:51:00 | * | gevaerts wonders if amiconn's idea about the portalplayer usb issues maybe being caused by RAM timing setup issues could also explain this one |
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| 16:58:19 | advcomp2019 | RedSansa, looks like an alignment issue because of ViewPorts |
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| 17:00:16 | kugel | jhMikeS: did you read my comments on fs#6800? |
| 17:00:26 | RedSansa | hm...any idea how to fix it? |
| 17:01:56 | advcomp2019 | nope.. not sure but you can play around with it |
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| 17:03:32 | RedSansa | hehe...you couldnt imagine how long i played around with it already |
| 17:04:10 | RedSansa | i thank you for your time advcomp2019 |
| 17:04:50 | advcomp2019 | RedSansa, yea.. someone else might be able to help.. your welcome |
| 17:05:03 | advcomp2019 | you're* |
| 17:07:09 | RedSansa | for everyone here who thinks he can fix an easy theme...please watch http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19496.0 |
| 17:10:10 | scotty007 | anyone else here with compiling errors since r19169 (ipod color arm/sim)? |
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| 17:17:00 | kugel | scotty007: svn up ? |
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| 17:19:02 | scotty007 | tried clean svn commits. r19168 complies fine. r19169 gives errors for apps/alarm_menu.c (still present in r19180) |
| 17:19:26 | scotty007 | *svn checkouts* |
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| 17:20:55 | kugel | scotty007: we are at r19180 already |
| 17:21:00 | kugel | oh |
| 17:21:30 | kugel | scotty007: the build table looks fine to me (http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi) so it's likely a problem on your end |
| 17:26:05 | kugel | can someone commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9569 ? |
| 17:29:29 | kugel | or wait, maybe linuxstb should take a look first |
| 17:30:15 | scotty007 | kugel: same error on another system with a fresh r19180 :-( |
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| 17:30:43 | kugel | scotty007: are you doing make -j maybe? |
| 17:31:26 | scotty007 | kugel: i tried it with and without the -j option |
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| 17:35:21 | kugel | scotty007: but still, the build table looks fine. It's most likely a problem on your end. What's the exact message enyway? |
| 17:38:16 | scotty007 | kugel: http://pastebin.com/m5cf81e4 |
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| 17:40:09 | kugel | scotty007: hm, you have a . (dot) in your dir name. Maybe that makes problems? |
| 17:40:34 | scotty007 | kugel: if there's something broken in my build envs (for arm and sim) i wonder why r19168 compiles fine on both systems |
| 17:40:52 | scotty007 | kugel: I'll try the dor thing... |
| 17:40:57 | scotty007 | *dot* |
| 17:41:36 | kugel | scotty007: if that's the issue, then it's a nice find and should be reported (to Zagor) |
| 17:41:50 | kugel | maybe it's even also the "-" |
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| 17:45:13 | gevaerts | It's certainly not the -, and I would be surprised if the . caused problems |
| 17:47:59 | scotty007 | kugel, gevaerts: it works without . and - |
| 17:48:25 | gevaerts | I have -s in all my build dirs, so it must be the . then |
| 17:49:07 | kugel | gevaerts: I'm not really surprised |
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| 17:53:55 | scotty007 | kugel, gevaerts: seems to be the combination of both (dirnames rockbox.work and rockbox-work are ok, rockbox-r19180.work isn't) |
| 17:55:09 | gevaerts | scotty007: I'd say submit a bug report |
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| 18:01:06 | scotty007 | kugel, gevaerts: it's not the . or _, it's the path length (/tmp/rockbox-work.work is ok while /home/scotty/ROCKBOX/build/rockbox-work.work isn't) |
| 18:02:35 | Mrcheesenips | I change the background color on Rockbox to black, I forgot to change my text to a differnent color instead of black first, the text and background are black. I cannot see what I am doing. |
| 18:03:00 | Mrcheesenips | How do I change the text to a different color so I can see it? |
| 18:03:06 | kugel | scotty007: that was the next idea if it wasn't . or - |
| 18:03:46 | gevaerts | Mrcheesenips: you can have rockbox reset its settings while booting. See the manual for your player for the exact procedure |
| 18:03:57 | Mrcheesenips | ok thanks :D |
| 18:08:00 | Mrcheesenips | Would it be in the General Settings tab? |
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| 18:10:00 | Mrcheesenips | ok I have got it.. |
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| 18:32:25 | lardmaster | I partitioned my ipod's disk like this: http://pastebin.com/m645f1525 and now when it boots it gets file not found for rockbox.ipod. It does identify the right partition at startup, and the file is there. I tried running rbutil to reinstall it but it still seems unable to find the file. What should I do? |
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| 18:33:15 | kugel | linuxstb: hey can you please take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9569? |
| 18:33:20 | gevaerts | lardmaster: did you format with mkfs.vfat? |
| 18:33:42 | lardmaster | yes |
| 18:33:54 | lardmaster | I can mount the filesystem |
| 18:34:21 | gevaerts | Try mformat (see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore for details). mkfs.vfat is known to sometimes make filesystems that rockbox can't read on ipod 5.5G |
| 18:34:21 | lardmaster | Would you like to know exactly what it says at boot? |
| 18:34:33 | lardmaster | thanks :) |
| 18:35:19 | kugel | gevaerts: I wonder why it took so long for someone to get the idea to switch off the sd controller :S |
| 18:36:13 | kugel | gevaerts: regarding FS #9570 |
| 18:36:28 | linuxstb | kugel: I just have. It doesn't make any sense to me as lcd_framebuffer should be accessed as [y][x]. |
| 18:36:49 | lardmaster | would grub interfere with rockbox booting if installed on an ipod? |
| 18:36:54 | gevaerts | kugel: it does indeed sound slightly obvious in hindsight :) |
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| 18:37:28 | kugel | gevaerts: especially when I look at that diff. It's just too trivial |
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| 18:37:53 | kugel | and even more if we tend to use lcd_enable quite frequently, but sd_enable not at all? |
| 18:38:16 | kugel | but on the other side, I didn't even know there's a sd_enable function yet |
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| 18:39:00 | gevaerts | kugel: maybe you can run button_disable to save even more power when you're not using the device :) |
| 18:39:33 | kugel | gevaerts: or if you used the hold button. good idea! :) |
| 18:40:46 | kugel | linuxstb: ok, then we should ask mc2739 why he thinks that's a bug. And what do you say about about the removal of GPIOD_DIR |= (1<<7) ? is the button light necessary for lcd? |
| 18:41:16 | linuxstb | kugel: Why did you apply it for the fuze? Does lcd_update_rect() not work? |
| 18:42:04 | kugel | linuxstb: to see what it does. And it doesn't change anything apparently. But on the other hand I don't even reach the main menu yet |
| 18:42:53 | kugel | linuxstb: how similar are the the e200v2 and fuze lcd driver? |
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| 18:43:38 | kugel | linuxstb: I remember that the display was rotated in one of the early e200v2 pictures. Maybe it's indeed the swapped for the e200v2 |
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| 18:43:50 | kugel | rotated by 90° that is |
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| 18:45:48 | lardmaster | when I try mformat like in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore#How_to_restore_an_iPod it gives me the "argssize must be less than 6" error. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 says that means I should change the -s to -n, but there are no -s's in the command, only -S. What should I do? |
| 18:46:45 | linuxstb | kugel: I'll post a comment to the task... |
| 18:47:12 | gevaerts | lardmaster: try both of the commands suggested in IpodConversionToFAT32. One of those should worl |
| 18:47:58 | gevaerts | lardmaster: did you edit /etc/mtools.conf? |
| 18:50:22 | lardmaster | no |
| 18:50:25 | lardmaster | that's the problem |
| 18:50:33 | gevaerts | At least part of it |
| 18:53:27 | lardmaster | Looks like it's working for me :) |
| 18:53:34 | gevaerts | great :) |
| 18:53:58 | Self-Perfection | Hello. I suppose I have found error in buffer size description in CustomWPS wiki. quote: "There is a buffer limit on how many bitmap pixels can be loaded in to memory which is calculated as such: ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)). This means that the total visual size of all of the bitmaps used cannot exceed the total of this calculation. For 16-bit targets, this comes to 2.25 times the size of |
| 18:53:58 | Self-Perfection | the screen." |
| 18:54:06 | gevaerts | Mr Someone really needs to find out why mkfs.vfat formatted filesystems don't work in rockbox... |
| 18:54:17 | Self-Perfection | In apps/gui/qwps.h: |
| 18:54:57 | Self-Perfection | #define IMG_BUFSIZE ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)) |
| 18:55:26 | Self-Perfection | and later: unsigned char img_buf[IMG_BUFSIZE]; |
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| 18:55:50 | kugel | and where's the bug now? |
| 18:56:01 | Self-Perfection | So it seems ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)) is number of bytes, used for buffer |
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| 18:56:19 | kugel | yes |
| 18:56:21 | Self-Perfection | But pixels would 2 times less |
| 18:56:33 | Self-Perfection | 1.125 of screen size |
| 18:56:58 | lardmaster | gevaerts: is it due to a fault in rockbox or in mkfs.vfat? |
| 18:57:19 | gevaerts | lardmaster: I don't think that's known yet |
| 18:57:24 | linuxstb | gevaerts: Didn't someone test mkfs.vfat recently and conclude that it was fine? I forget who though... |
| 18:57:30 | lardmaster | lol |
| 18:57:44 | lardmaster | well I just found it didn't work for me |
| 18:57:47 | gevaerts | linuxstb: wpyh did, but lots of people still have issues |
| 18:58:08 | gevaerts | So maybe it sometimes works, possibly depending on partition sizes |
| 18:58:10 | kugel | linuxstb: what about the button light in lcd_init_device? |
| 18:58:51 | * | gevaerts would have a look if he had a 5.5G ipod |
| 18:58:54 | Self-Perfection | kugel: so? |
| 18:59:06 | kugel | gevaerts: the man page says it automatically switches between fat12, 16 and 32 depending on the partition size. Maybe just 1 or 2 of this modes don't work |
| 18:59:55 | gevaerts | kugel: I'm pretty sure it's not simply that, as we're talking about big devices here. |
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| 19:00:01 | lardmaster | I did it with -F 32 or whatever |
| 19:00:53 | gevaerts | So automatic switching doesn't come into play anyway |
| 19:01:37 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes, I'll remove that now. |
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| 19:02:48 | n1s | Self-Perfection: if you see the comment in gwps.h it says that the buffer is large enough to hold on fullscreen _native_ bitmap and two _mono_ bitmaps, your wiki quote does not say if it means color or mono pixels |
| 19:03:37 | n1s | so imho it's just the wiki that's unclear |
| 19:04:14 | kugel | mc2739: ping!? |
| 19:06:10 | linuxstb | lardmaster: Did you also use -S 2048 with mkfs.vfat? |
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| 19:06:24 | Self-Perfection | n1s: mono bitmaps would be 18 times screen size, so 2.25 is wrong either way. Better someone one fix it, to make clear/right |
| 19:07:16 | n1s | Self-Perfection: one fullscreen native _and_ 2 fullscreen mono, it's a wiki... |
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| 19:08:28 | Self-Perfection | n1s: Yeah, I see. Thank you. |
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| 19:08:43 | lardmaster | linuxstb:no |
| 19:08:54 | lardmaster | bye |
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| 19:11:18 | kugel | linuxstb: would volunteer to commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9559 ? If not, who should I ask? |
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| 19:47:28 | kugel | fdinel: hi \o/ |
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| 19:52:30 | lardmaster | would grub interfere with rockbox on an ipod? |
| 19:54:33 | blkhawk | why would you put grub on an Ipod? |
| 19:57:00 | bluebrother | it wouldn't. The Ipod boots off a special firmware partition, not of a PC-like boot sector (wouldn't work for HFS+-formatted Ipods anyway) |
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| 20:01:59 | lardmaster | blkhawk: to boot from a linux partition. |
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| 20:05:02 | lardmaster | bluebrother:thanks |
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| 20:26:34 | MarcGuay | Hi everyone. What happened to the daily voice files? |
| 20:28:07 | MarcGuay | Links seem to indicate they used to be available on this page http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml but are no longer there as far as I can see. |
| 20:29:16 | MarcGuay | There's a voices directory here that hasn't been updated since 2006: http://download.rockbox.org/voices/. |
| 20:29:48 | MarcGuay | And voices for 3.0 here: http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0/. |
| 20:32:26 | MarcGuay | Ah, seems to be a recent issue judging but the Voice column of the "old daily" page: http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansae200 |
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| 20:35:17 | fdinel | kugel: hi :) |
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| 20:51:37 | * | gevaerts runs test_codec on a -c5000 ape file on his d2 :) |
| 20:55:55 | kugel | gevaerts: d2 is supported by my backlight fading patch! |
| 20:56:14 | kugel | fdinel: hey. Any news on fuze buttons? I read something with dbob? |
| 20:56:20 | gevaerts | kugel: saving settings isn't, so I can't test properly ;) |
| 20:58:02 | kugel | gevaerts: it defaults to fade up, no problem :) |
| 20:58:09 | kugel | fade up & down that is |
| 20:58:46 | kugel | jhMikeS: I can't get it to work with quere_wait_w_tmo |
| 20:58:50 | bertrik | FS appears to be down |
| 20:59:26 | bertrik | oh, now it isn't |
| 20:59:36 | kugel | damn, I was just going to make a joke about it :S |
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| 21:12:19 | gevaerts | The d2 decodes -c5000 at 15.55% |
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| 21:40:19 | gevaerts | Does the mp3 codec make use of dual core on the d2? |
| 21:41:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | Not sure if shotofadds makes use of the dual core. |
| 21:41:16 | fdinel | kugel: well the latest news is on the forums :/ |
| 21:43:42 | lostlogic | hey, I feel like a newb, but is it possible to import songs and playlists from iTunes DB into rockbox db and playlist catalog |
| 21:43:46 | lostlogic | ? |
| 21:43:54 | lardmaster | yes |
| 21:44:01 | lardmaster | Because they are just tagged files |
| 21:44:10 | lardmaster | it should automatically import them |
| 21:44:35 | kugel | lostlogic: newb! |
| 21:44:41 | kugel | :p |
| 21:44:42 | lardmaster | basically it's as if you saved the files as /ipod_control/f50/dkp23.mp3 |
| 21:44:56 | lardmaster | instead of how you normally organize them. |
| 21:45:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | lostlogic: Sure, as long as everything is tagged. :) |
| 21:45:34 | lostlogic | gotcha, how about playlists? |
| 21:45:45 | lardmaster | Have you heard of anyone booting linux from an ipod (like as an external hd)? |
| 21:45:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Don't think playlists from iTunes will work. |
| 21:45:55 | lostlogic | put rockbox on gf's ipod and she wants her old playlists :-P |
| 21:45:57 | lostlogic | thanks |
| 21:46:09 | lardmaster | They might |
| 21:46:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | She'll have to recreate them or find a way of exporting them as m3u. |
| 21:46:17 | lardmaster | try searching through the ipod directories |
| 21:48:34 | lostlogic | nod |
| 21:49:23 | gevaerts | lostlogic: there are lots of discussions on the forums about this, some of them mentioning tools that can export itunes playlists as m3u playlists I believe |
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| 21:50:10 | lostlogic | cool, will take look if she insists :) |
| 21:50:41 | gevaerts | What ARM version is the TCC78xx (ARM926EJ+ARM946ES)? |
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| 21:54:06 | lardmaster | lostlogic: see http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/ |
| 21:54:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: Dual core ARM926EJ-S + ARM946ES @ 200MHz, 96K SRAM. |
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| 21:54:32 | gevaerts | LambdaCalculus37: I know that, but is this ARMv4, ARMv5, ...? |
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| 21:55:46 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 21:55:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: In that case, not sure. |
| 21:56:02 | * | LambdaCalculus37 asks Google |
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| 21:57:02 | saratoga | gevaerts: saw your question in the logs, and the answer is no |
| 21:57:42 | gevaerts | saratoga: the question is of course if it makes sense on tcc |
| 21:57:47 | saratoga | the check if for PP only, but theres nothing target specific at all about the implementation, so provided you have access to uncached [or coherent] memory, and init the hardware correctly it should work |
| 21:58:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | gevaerts: According to http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7801 it's ARMv5. |
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| 21:59:01 | saratoga | one is ARM4 the other 5 I believe |
| 21:59:21 | saratoga | you probably would rather be using the ARM5 one whever possible for codecs |
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| 22:01:03 | saratoga | no my mistake |
| 22:01:07 | saratoga | they're both ARM5 |
| 22:01:41 | gevaerts | OK. I'll finish my edit to the SoundCodecMonkeysAudio page then |
| 22:03:03 | devurandom | Can someone tell me where the difference between a SanDisk Sansa e260 with ModelNr SDMX4-4096-E70 and SDMX4R-4096K-E70 is? |
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| 22:03:21 | devurandom | http://www.amazon.de/Sandisk-Sansa-Tragbarer-MP3-Player-Radio/dp/B000MAK6CA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1227387612&sr=8-2 vs. http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-MP3-Player-microSD-Kartenslot-Videofunktion-Aufnahmefunktion/dp/B000EWN5JM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1227387612&sr=8-1 |
| 22:03:32 | gevaerts | devurandom: maybe sandisk can |
| 22:03:35 | devurandom | From those pages I cannot see a difference... :( |
| 22:03:58 | devurandom | I was already googling for the model numbers, but that was not exactly helpful either. :( |
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| 22:04:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | One may be a Rhapsody model (e260R). |
| 22:05:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I'm not 100% sure. |
| 22:05:34 | devurandom | What's the difference? |
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| 22:07:23 | advcomp2019 | devurandom, i think there is no difference have not sure tho |
| 22:08:02 | devurandom | So I just pay 25€ for "Rhapsody" in the name? *rolleyes* |
| 22:08:11 | devurandom | *25€ more |
| 22:08:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | advcomp2019: Mostly in the way you have to install Rockbox. That's about it. |
| 22:09:49 | advcomp2019 | LambdaCalculus37, yes but you do not know if those are the ams sansas tho |
| 22:10:00 | kugel | devurandom: the one is with radio, the other isn't |
| 22:10:23 | saratoga | gevaerts: I'd probably look at doing some ARMv5E optimization of codecs before multithreading them |
| 22:10:48 | kugel | devurandom: rofl, don't buy these. They're extremely expensive |
| 22:11:04 | saratoga | in MP3 specifically filterbank.c uses half the total execution time and could probably be made quite a lot faster on ARMv5 just by changing some of the multiplies out for new ARMv5E instructions for 16 bit multiplies |
| 22:11:11 | devurandom | kugel: Both not? |
| 22:11:24 | devurandom | kugel: In general, or just at Amazon? |
| 22:11:36 | kugel | devurandom: just at amazon it seems |
| 22:11:46 | kugel | you shouldn't pay more then 50€ for an e260 |
| 22:11:48 | devurandom | It's the only place I have found them so far. ;) |
| 22:11:59 | saratoga | err rather synth.c, filterbank is the AAC equivilent |
| 22:12:15 | kugel | well, they're not produced anymore. They possibly get more expensive the less units they have |
| 22:12:17 | devurandom | The C variants are similar, but without a graphical display? |
| 22:12:28 | gevaerts | devurandom: if you want rockbox now, you'll also need a v1, and you have no guarantees about that either there |
| 22:12:40 | devurandom | Hm, ok... |
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| 22:12:59 | kugel | devurandom: get a fuze, that's the successor of the e200 serious, with better display and wheel, and radio by default |
| 22:13:05 | kugel | for ~60 |
| 22:13:11 | devurandom | And RockBox runs on it? |
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| 22:13:24 | gevaerts | devurandom: c200 is a different player, with a smaller and lower quality screen, and a smaller maximal storage capacity |
| 22:13:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | advcomp2019: That's true. |
| 22:13:38 | kugel | devurandom: rockbox is quite likely to run on the fuze soon |
| 22:14:05 | devurandom | How soon is "soon"? ;) |
| 22:14:15 | * | gevaerts doesn't recommend buying not-yet-supported players to people who don't collect players and don |
| 22:14:16 | devurandom | Are we talking about weeks, months, years? ;) |
| 22:14:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Sooner than Duke Nukem Forever, that's for sure. ;) |
| 22:14:20 | kugel | devurandom: well, I see the rockbox logo on mine |
| 22:14:25 | gevaerts | 't want to help porting |
| 22:14:38 | devurandom | LambdaCalculus37: Hehe. :P |
| 22:14:53 | gevaerts | devurandom: I'd say months at least before it's end-user ready, although progress seems to be fast right now |
| 22:14:53 | devurandom | kugel: That means what? That 1% of the code runs already? ;) |
| 22:15:08 | * | kugel doesn't recomment outdated and incredibly overpriced players which aren't sure to run rockbox neither |
| 22:15:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | devurandom: Rockbox on the Fuze is partially working. There's LCD and storage, but no sound and no proper buttons. |
| 22:15:25 | devurandom | Well, I'd get it for christmas anyway, so you have some time to get it running. ;) |
| 22:15:34 | kugel | devurandom: slightly more. Code runs, and there's a plenty of people working on it |
| 22:15:47 | devurandom | I once was trying to get into RB development, but gave up soon, due to missing time and pre-knowledge. |
| 22:15:49 | gevaerts | kugel: sure. Don't buy an e200 if you don't *know* if it's a v1, but if you do know, why not? |
| 22:16:13 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: froobi for that :D |
| 22:16:20 | kugel | would you say it's sure on that links he gave? |
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| 22:16:34 | gevaerts | kugel: no, as I said earlier |
| 22:16:42 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: froobi + a friend in the US |
| 22:16:48 | devurandom | So if some parts are not running yet, maybe I'd have the time to get it working. ;) |
| 22:16:51 | kugel | yea, froobi offers some "guaranteed v1" sometimes |
| 22:17:15 | BigBambi | no need for quotatation marks |
| 22:17:18 | BigBambi | they are |
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| 22:17:31 | kugel | I don't doubt that |
| 22:17:33 | BigBambi | Only problem is the US only nature |
| 22:17:33 | * | gevaerts also doesn't like recommending beasts and d2s for the same reason. Not end-user ready yet, and totally unclear when they will be |
| 22:17:39 | BigBambi | I agree |
| 22:17:40 | kugel | I was rather quoting the article description |
| 22:17:57 | BigBambi | It could seem like it wil be soon, but until Rockbox actaully runs you never know |
| 22:18:08 | Unhelpful | gevaerts: i'm not sure i follow. surely everything outside our borders is a vast wasteland without any civilization, and therefore no need for DAPs? |
| 22:18:09 | BigBambi | There could always be some unforseen hitch |
| 22:18:45 | kugel | fact is |
| 22:19:03 | devurandom | Unhelpful: Yeah, it's only a huge desert here. |
| 22:19:04 | kugel | this amazon e200 isn't guaranteed a v1 |
| 22:19:09 | BigBambi | right |
| 22:19:09 | Unhelpful | ...that needs a ;). people might think an american *meant* that. :/ |
| 22:19:18 | BigBambi | kugel: Nobody has said it is |
| 22:19:32 | kugel | so devurandom is very likely to end up with a e200v2 which is the same as the fuze (rockbox-wise) but a worse player overall |
| 22:19:46 | gevaerts | kugel: which I told him |
| 22:19:51 | devurandom | Unhelpful: If we want to drink something, we have to run 100 miles for the next well. And the next musikstore is about 2000km away. |
| 22:20:01 | BigBambi | kugel: So I would reommend getting one he knows is a v1, not another player that also isn't supported |
| 22:20:25 | Unhelpful | devurandom: i'm american, i can't even imagine running *one* mile? ;) |
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| 22:20:48 | gevaerts | Zagor: have you seen http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081122#18:01:06 ? |
| 22:20:50 | kugel | I don't :) I try to get him involved in porting :p |
| 22:20:51 | devurandom | Not even for burgers? :P |
| 22:21:01 | BigBambi | kugel: Which is unfair on users |
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| 22:21:05 | devurandom | lol, thanks kugel. |
| 22:21:30 | devurandom | Well, if I'd have time, I'd be on the boat for sure. ;) I'm quite interested in playing with hardware, even if I never properly did it yet. |
| 22:21:46 | kugel | no, in fact, I was just saying that the ones at amazon are way to expensive for not being a v1 |
| 22:21:55 | gevaerts | devurandom: actually you can play with low-level code on a fully supported player just fine :) |
| 22:22:18 | BigBambi | With the added bonus of being able to use it to lisen to music too |
| 22:22:34 | BigBambi | *listen |
| 22:22:41 | Zagor | gevaerts: did you ever ask what system he was using? I've been using far longer paths than that without problems. |
| 22:22:43 | devurandom | I can check the firmware version after starting it? (Settings->info, I read?), maybe some local store will let me check that. |
| 22:23:00 | BigBambi | Yes, v3..... is a v2 and v1........ is a v1 |
| 22:23:01 | devurandom | BigBambi: Hehe. |
| 22:23:23 | gevaerts | Zagor: um, I knew we had forgotten something... |
| 22:23:43 | saratoga | i wouldn't order if there was a chance of getting a V2 E200, the Fuze and clip are more interesting players i think |
| 22:24:20 | BigBambi | sure, but if someone asked for a recommendation for a player to use Rockbox with, not develop, it isn't right or fair to recommend any of those |
| 22:24:38 | BigBambi | No matter how soon one might think Rockbox will be running |
| 22:24:48 | gevaerts | exactly |
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| 22:24:51 | devurandom | Well, I'll ask again after christmas. ;) |
| 22:24:52 | kugel | what was the exact #define for enabling logf again? USE_LOGF or LOGF or what? |
| 22:24:59 | devurandom | I hope my iBrick will last till then. ;) |
| 22:25:14 | gevaerts | kugel: lots of files have the right define commented out near the top |
| 22:25:55 | kugel | not the files I'm editting. Should I look into every file in the tree until I find it? |
| 22:26:19 | gevaerts | Have a look in e.g. firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c. That one has it |
| 22:26:29 | * | gevaerts is too lazy to look himself right now |
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| 22:27:09 | kugel | thanks |
| 22:27:52 | gevaerts | kugel: you need the include and the define in the right order, otherwise it won't work |
| 22:28:13 | kugel | yep, I remember. first define then include |
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| 22:31:08 | Zagor | gevaerts: actually, my previous long paths were shorter. but now I tried with /home/bjst/src/rockbox/a-very-long-dirname-to-provoke-strange-errors and still can't repeat his problem |
| 22:31:53 | Zagor | my guess is that he is not on a standard linux |
| 22:32:12 | Zagor | can someone try on cygwin? |
| 22:32:39 | Zagor | (me cygwin box is not available at the moment) |
| 22:32:40 | BigBambi | yeah, will do |
| 22:33:03 | BigBambi | just try a build in a directory with a very long name, yes? |
| 22:33:13 | Zagor | the full path should be long |
| 22:33:26 | Zagor | his was 47 characters |
| 22:33:30 | Zagor | so at least that |
| 22:33:52 | gevaerts | Maybe include a - and/or a . in the name. It could still be a combination from what I can see |
| 22:34:03 | BigBambi | well it'll be /home/alex/rockbox + whatever I make the build dir :) |
| 22:34:25 | Zagor | ah ah ah, the dot might be it! I do black magic with dots in the bitmap files. |
| 22:34:34 | * | BigBambi waits :) |
| 22:35:23 | gevaerts | By pure coincidence, the error is bitmap-related :) |
| 22:35:28 | Zagor | exactly |
| 22:36:54 | Zagor | no, just a dot is not enough to repeat it. I'll try with his exact name. |
| 22:38:35 | Zagor | nope, still no go |
| 22:39:14 | * | gevaerts can't reproduce it either |
| 22:39:30 | gevaerts | I can get a problem with make -j3 though, but it's a different one |
| 22:39:42 | Zagor | oh, what is that? |
| 22:40:00 | BigBambi | I'm trying cygwin with /home/alex/rockbox/the-longest-path-in-the-world-ever-no-arguments-allowed-if-anyone-disagrees-I-will-see-them-outside/ :) |
| 22:40:06 | Zagor | I usually run with -j (no number) to stress the parallelism as much as possible |
| 22:40:49 | gevaerts | http://pastebin.ca/1264587. Apparently the lang.h dependencies aren't there correctly |
| 22:42:34 | Zagor | hmm |
| 22:46:03 | Zagor | gevaerts: can you upload make.dep for that build? or at least the dependencies for apps/playback_menu.o |
| 22:46:31 | Zagor | or just check that they include lang.o |
| 22:47:30 | gevaerts | playback_menu.o depends on lang.o, yes |
| 22:47:51 | gevaerts | But there are no dependencies for lang.o |
| 22:48:03 | Zagor | no those are "hardcoded" in apps/lang/lang.make |
| 22:48:19 | Zagor | since lang.o is a generated file |
| 22:48:36 | Zagor | I mean lang.c |
| 22:48:41 | gevaerts | ok |
| 22:48:55 | gevaerts | But shouldn't lang.h appear there? |
| 22:49:45 | Zagor | no. mkdepfile (in functions.make) has a s/lang.h/$(BUILDDIR)/lang.o/ |
| 22:49:53 | Zagor | (well, sort of) |
| 22:50:42 | Zagor | we have to do special tricks for generated files, because they are not there when gcc compiles dependencies |
| 22:51:06 | * | amiconn_ returns spots an active Zagor |
| 22:51:18 | kugel | why not just generate the files during configure |
| 22:51:21 | amiconn_ | Umm, add 'and' where appropriate |
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| 22:51:52 | gevaerts | kugel: that would make configure hopelessly slow, and not actually solve the problem |
| 22:52:21 | Zagor | kugel: it would just move it, not actually change anything. this isn't a problem. |
| 22:52:42 | kugel | well, those special tricks aren't needed then |
| 22:53:07 | gevaerts | kugel: how do you handle changes to the sources for the generated files? |
| 22:53:10 | Zagor | I don't know why gevaerts make compiles playback_menu.c before lang.c even when there is a dependency for lang.o. it shouldn't. |
| 22:53:16 | amiconn | Zagor: I have 2 remarks regarding 'make clean': (1) the weird format of root.make line 95: 580 chars and weird spacing |
| 22:53:30 | amiconn | (2) It forgets to clean rombox.ucl (on Ondio SP and Player) |
| 22:53:53 | Zagor | yeah make clean was just copied from the old makefile. it's not terribly pretty. |
| 22:53:58 | kugel | gevaerts: time stamps |
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| 22:54:27 | Zagor | kugel: that means make still has to know how to create them. so why do it in configure? |
| 22:54:31 | gevaerts | kugel: obviously, but what we're seeing now is the actual dependencies failing |
| 22:54:37 | amiconn | Iirc the 'clean' command had line breaks in the old Makefile |
| 22:54:45 | amiconn | Also, the old one did clean rombox.ucl |
| 22:55:09 | kugel | ok ok. make/makefile is above my head anyway |
| 22:55:44 | Zagor | amiconn: indeed it did. I wonder where I got this one from then. I sure didn't write down all those files myself... |
| 22:56:05 | amiconn | Zagor: Some more things which appeared to me: (3) The codec lib dependencies are still broken. If I only change e.g. libdemac's filter.c, *nothing* gets rebuilt |
| 22:56:19 | Zagor | ah, the old tools/configure contained this clean target |
| 22:56:30 | amiconn | The old build system at least rebuilt libdemac, and a second run the caught the new libdemac and relinked the codecs... |
| 22:56:51 | Zagor | amiconn: ok, I'll look at that |
| 22:57:17 | amiconn | And finally, what do you think regarding r19176? |
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| 22:57:58 | amiconn | I found that it would probably have been sufficient to add .ovl to .SUFFIXES, but then the gnu make manual discourages the use of $* as well... |
| 22:58:00 | gevaerts | Zagor: make `pwd`/lang.o works, in case that matters |
| 22:58:13 | amiconn | (found that only after I committed my fix...) |
| 22:59:37 | Zagor | amiconn: where do you find that $* is discouraged? I've read the manual pretty thorougly |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:27 | Zagor | I think adding .ovl to suffixes would have been the proper solution since $* absolutely works and is used in many other places |
| 23:01:20 | amiconn | http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Automatic-Variables |
| 23:01:23 | Zagor | on the other hand there's nothing really wrong with your solution either |
| 23:01:33 | amiconn | "You should generally avoid using `$*' except in implicit rules or static pattern rules. " |
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| 23:02:21 | amiconn | The rules in question are static pattern rules iiuc, so it wouldn't be discouraged there |
| 23:02:23 | Zagor | lookie there! :-) |
| 23:03:54 | amiconn | I saw that $* is used in other places |
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| 23:05:33 | Zagor | gevaerts: how repeatable is the problem for you? I fail to repeat it here. |
| 23:05:36 | amiconn | I was a bit surprised that it didn't work properly for .ovl, but thought this was because the target had no %. Only later I found that it was due to the extension |
| 23:05:48 | Zagor | amiconn: ok |
| 23:05:50 | gevaerts | Zagor: perfectly. It happens every time |
| 23:06:07 | Zagor | gevaerts: wow. |
| 23:06:10 | amiconn | My solution has the advantage that it's less "magic", because it doesn't rely on .SUFFIXES |
| 23:06:14 | gevaerts | Zagor: I've submitted FS #9572 with both make.dep and the output of make -d |
| 23:06:44 | Zagor | amiconn: true |
| 23:07:49 | Zagor | amiconn: in fact I've changed my mind. yours is the better solution, precisely because it's more readable. |
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| 23:11:06 | Zagor | gevaerts: which build is this? |
| 23:11:12 | Zagor | I mean target/type |
| 23:11:18 | gevaerts | Ipod video, 22 |
| 23:11:51 | Zagor | normal? |
| 23:11:56 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 23:13:17 | gevaerts | D2 normal fails as well |
| 23:14:06 | Zagor | but not without -j ? |
| 23:14:21 | gevaerts | Without -j I have no issues at all |
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| 23:15:25 | Zagor | does your builds always run in this order? my builds are built in a very different order! |
| 23:15:52 | Zagor | sure, -j3 will throw things around a bit, but these differences are pretty large |
| 23:16:03 | gevaerts | I haven't paid much attention to that |
| 23:16:13 | Zagor | and I always get roughly the same sequence. which is very different from yours. |
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| 23:17:06 | gevaerts | What sort of system do you use? This is debian unstable on a c2d with a 64 bit install |
| 23:17:07 | Zagor | oh wait, you have your build two dirs down from root. maybe that somehow changes things. |
| 23:17:27 | gevaerts | I tried oine build down as well. Same issue |
| 23:17:36 | Zagor | ok :( |
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| 23:18:53 | gevaerts | On my 32bit etch install it works fine |
| 23:19:07 | Zagor | ahaa! |
| 23:19:29 | BigBambi | With the patch I mentioned earlier cygwin has no been sat saying Generating Dependencies for 42 minutes |
| 23:19:39 | BigBambi | Normally a build on it takes 20/25 mins |
| 23:19:43 | BigBambi | It looks stuck to me |
| 23:19:51 | BigBambi | s/patch/path/ |
| 23:20:17 | gevaerts | Didn't someone complain about cygwin builds taking 8 hours recently? |
| 23:20:17 | Zagor | BigBambi: definitely sounds wrong. how large is your make.dep ? |
| 23:20:39 | BigBambi | One mo, I'll look |
| 23:20:43 | Zagor | gevaerts: on what, an 8086? |
| 23:20:56 | * | gevaerts greps the logs |
| 23:21:26 | BigBambi | Zagor: just over 2 MB |
| 23:21:37 | gevaerts | Zagor: start at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20081122#00:39:41 |
| 23:22:00 | gevaerts | BigBambi: does it have a recent timestamp, and/or is it growing? |
| 23:22:17 | Zagor | BigBambi: that's pretty normal. with your long path it will be a bit over 2 MB. maybe closer to 3MB |
| 23:22:19 | BigBambi | no, timestamp is 22:43 for last modofied |
| 23:22:29 | gevaerts | Zagor: core 2 duo 2.4 ghz system with 3g of ram he says |
| 23:23:47 | gevaerts | amiconn: in case you didn't see it yet, I added ape benchmarks for the cowon D2 to SoundCodecMonkeysAudio |
| 23:23:52 | Zagor | gevaerts: probably the same issue. dependency generation hanging for some reason. |
| 23:24:04 | Zagor | BigBambi: abort and tell me the last .o file in make.dep |
| 23:24:08 | gevaerts | I guess so, yes. |
| 23:24:36 | BigBambi | On aborting it now seems to be continuing with building |
| 23:25:43 | Zagor | BigBambi: ok. your dep file is probably incomplete. so break the compile and tell me the last .o file in it. |
| 23:25:54 | BigBambi | OK |
| 23:25:58 | amiconn | gevaerts: Ah, nice :) I wonder why -c1000 is effectively slower than on Gigabeat F though.... |
| 23:26:23 | BigBambi | Zagor: /apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.220x68x16.o |
| 23:26:40 | amiconn | Zagor: Oh, btw, I tried the new make system on Interix. I started as expected, but then gmake segfaulted (!) is some plugin... |
| 23:26:47 | amiconn | *It started... |
| 23:26:49 | BigBambi | Zagor: This was ipod video btw |
| 23:26:54 | Zagor | amiconn: haha |
| 23:27:16 | Zagor | BigBambi: wow, that is the last file you're supposed to have. so what the heck was it doing...? |
| 23:27:27 | BigBambi | No idea :) |
| 23:27:33 | Zagor | amiconn: how old gmake is in interix? |
| 23:27:44 | gevaerts | amiconn: maybe IRAM/SRAM usage isn't good enough yet? |
| 23:28:10 | BigBambi | Zagor: It was just sat there - no CPU use or disk use that I could see, and only automake.h, Makefile and make.dep in the build dir |
| 23:28:38 | amiconn | I didn't use the packaged one (that would have been 3.80.something), but the latest one, 3.81, built myself. It worked just fine with the old system, and it also worked fine for building the crosscompilers... |
| 23:28:51 | amiconn | gevaerts: Gigabeat F uses no IRAM... |
| 23:28:55 | gevaerts | ok |
| 23:29:02 | amiconn | It has some, but it isn't used |
| 23:29:16 | Zagor | amiconn: well sorry but I'm not going to take the blame for gmake segfaulting... |
| 23:29:56 | amiconn | I should probably make clean and retry. Maybe it was some temporary hiccup |
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| 23:35:42 | Zagor | amiconn: the reason why libdemac isn't recompiled when changing filter.c is because filter.c is not included in libdemac... |
| 23:35:52 | Zagor | see SOURCES |
| 23:36:26 | Zagor | but yeah, we need to fix that |
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| 23:36:53 | amiconn | filter.c is included by each filter_*_*.c |
| 23:37:02 | amiconn | ...and those are in SOURCES |
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| 23:38:21 | Zagor | yeah I know. what I'm hinting at is that #including .c files is not exactly kosher imho |
| 23:38:38 | gevaerts | :q |
| 23:40:25 | amiconn | Zagor: Regardless of this fact (which is, in this case, saving a lot of code duplication without putting code into .h files), the problem would also hit if only a .h file is changed, iiuc |
| 23:40:28 | Zagor | happily, it looks like the solution is in updating tools/addtargetdir.pl rather than adding more magic. |
| 23:40:57 | Zagor | amiconn: no. try before guessing. :-) |
| 23:43:16 | Zagor | the dependency generation works as it should, for filter.c too. the problem is that the path to filter_1280_15.c et.al is so long that gcc splits the .o target and .c dependency in two lines, which addtargetdir.pl doesn't yet handle. |
| 23:44:12 | Zagor | it happens to quite a few other files too. I'll fix this now. |
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| 23:44:36 | Zagor | well spotted though! |
| 23:45:04 | gevaerts | Zagor: make clean;make `pwd`/apps/menus/playback_menu.o reproduces the problem without having to do a full build. It still works right on my 32bit etch install though |
| 23:46:44 | Zagor | yeah, I'll do some tests on a 64-bit machine and see if I can pin it down |
| 23:47:17 | gevaerts | It does look like a make bug to me |
| 23:47:29 | Zagor | ugh, not another one :-( |
| 23:48:30 | gevaerts | I can't think of anything else here |
| 23:49:10 | Zagor | hmm, make `pwd`/apps/menus/playback_menu.o doesn't reproduce it on my x86_64 machine |
| 23:49:48 | gevaerts | After a make clean? |
| 23:49:57 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:50:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:50:25 | * | gevaerts wonders what to blame then |
| 23:51:00 | Zagor | my box isn't terribly up-to-date, but at least is has make 3.81 |
| 23:51:15 | gevaerts | It's not as if anything else than make has any decision in this |
| 23:51:31 | Zagor | well it could be some library function |
| 23:52:03 | Zagor | otoh make doesn't use much other than libc... |
| 23:52:19 | * | BigBambi waits for gevaerts to blaim perl :) |
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| 23:53:02 | * | gevaerts can't think of a way for even perl to cause this :) |
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