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#rockbox log for 2008-12-03

00:00:20jeffroniusnice bob dobbs photo!
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00:15:29casainhohello :-) −− I am trying putting kernel working, but my system is hanging :-(
00:15:37casainhoon this code: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/thread.c?spec=svn130&r=130
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00:17:08casainhoif I uncomment that line, the init_kernel()
00:18:20Bagderthere's no such in that file
00:18:26casainhocan someone please give me advice of why my code hangs?
00:19:35casainhoBagder: can you hep me?
00:19:41casainhohelp me?
00:20:43Bagdersure, show us a diff against rockbox
00:21:03casainhoI can't, I don't have it
00:21:25Bagderthen you're not really trying to get our help
00:22:09Bagder*everyone* who works on rockbox, new ports, new plugins and everything, works with patches against rockbox svn
00:22:09casainhoBagder: my question is that I have 2 SVN
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00:22:43casainhohow can I have the same code on two different SVN servers?
00:23:20Bagderthat's a totally different issue, and you won't have your code in the official svn repo until a committer would commit it there
00:23:30Bagderand that will happen once you post fine patches
00:24:16Bagderso you can have your code wherever you want, but when you want the code to get looked at and tested by rockbox hackers, you need to realize that patches against rockbox svn is the way forward
00:24:19casainhountil then, we are using another SVN server, so we can work, we are 3 guys
00:24:31BagderI'm not arguing against that
00:25:20casainhodo you know a way I can have the same code on SVN on code.google and at local rockbox?
00:25:55Bagdersure, checkout from rockbox and commit to the google svn
00:26:12Bagderbut I thought the point is that you don't have *the same* code
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00:27:01casainhoI can't checkout the same code to google SVN because there are .svn dirs from SVN of RB, I do not work that way...
00:27:13Bagder?
00:27:16Bagderyou can use cp
00:27:18Bagderfind
00:27:19Bagderdiff
00:27:20Bagderpatch
00:27:21Bagdermv
00:27:25bluebrotherso what? co Rockbox svn, export the co, then cp to the other folder
00:27:26Bagderwhatever
00:27:48Bagdercode and diffs are just text files
00:29:21casainhoI will ask to other developer to try to make a script for do that, I am not able
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00:29:25casainho:-)
00:29:28casainhookok
00:29:31casainhothanks :-)
00:30:07Bagderbut what rockbox version are you using then?
00:30:31BagderI mean, what are you basing your port on
00:31:15casainhoon an older version... I just chekedout one time and then I started using that code...
00:31:25Bagderugh
00:31:34Bagderrockbox moves you know
00:31:58casainhomy question is that my code is hanging when I call a function...
00:32:34Bagderyes, and then I want to know how some of your files differ from rockbox's original ones
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00:33:05Bagderyes, and then I want to know how some of your files differ from rockbox's original ones
00:33:11Bagderhence my questions about diffs
00:33:19casainhoI don't really understand why, I already try to call another to test and it don't hang... also I had increaded the stack to 2Mbytes
00:33:27Bagderand now you say you use an old version, so you could thus suffer from old bugs
00:33:31Bagder2MB!!
00:34:18casainhoI have memory for that.. also all looks perfect on memory map file...
00:34:33Bagderso does 2mb buffer solve anything?
00:34:41Bagder2mb stack I mean
00:34:47casainho2mb of buffer solves nothing :-(
00:34:50bluebrotherif you have a much bigger stack consumption than stock Rockbox something is definitely wrong
00:34:52Bagderhm MB it should be
00:35:16casainhono, I just defined thet stack size on linker sript to be 2MB
00:35:18Bagdercasainho: then I would say the stack is not the problem
00:35:49Bagderbad sdram config?
00:35:52casainhoyes, I am think stack is no problem... but is strange that calling that function it hangs...
00:36:05bluebrotherwhat does "this" function do?
00:36:10casainholooking at memory map, no..
00:36:28Bagdersdram config isn't seen in the memory map...
00:36:39BagderI mean refresh rates etc
00:36:50casainhothe function is this one: add_to_list_l(&cores[core].running, thread);
00:37:45casainhohmmm... all the code is working if I do not call that function, and SDRAM is configured from original code from Atmel...
00:38:14Bagderdoes it freeze on the actual branch instruction?
00:38:38Bagderit was somewhere within that function, wasn't it?
00:38:54casainhoyes, somewhere inside...
00:39:08jhMikeScasainho: is your BSS properly zeroed?
00:39:15casainhothe funciton is this one: static void add_to_list_l(struct thread_entry **list,
00:39:17casainho struct thread_entry *thread)
00:39:17Bagderand all the pointers and memory look fine ?
00:39:30casainholine 1251: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/thread.c?spec=svn130&r=130
00:39:32Bagder(assuming you can debug over the jtag)
00:40:03casainhoI am not able to use JTAG... I coudn't make it working it, I am using a serial debug port
00:40:06jhMikeSthat won't fail unless the pointers are bad (it's just adding to a linked list)
00:40:54casainhojhMikeS: I don't know the answer...
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00:41:22casainhojhMikeS: so, why could make the pointers bad?
00:41:38linuxstbDoes your startup code initialise bss to zero?
00:41:56linuxstbAnd the other inits the Rockbox crt0.S files normally do?
00:43:43casainhothe linker script is this one, I am not sure it initialise the bss to zero: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/target/arm/at91sam/boot.lds
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00:44:09bluebrotherthe linker script never initializes any sections. Your startup code has to do this
00:44:19bluebrotherusually this file is called crt0.S
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00:48:16casainhohmmm, don't know :-)
00:48:23jhMikeScasainho: do enable the panics in kernel.c and thread.c and it will catch things like that
00:48:26casainhoif you can give a look: http://code.google.com/p/rockboxplayer/source/browse/trunk/rockbox_port/firmware/target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle/crt0.S
00:49:56casainhopanics? it write messages to LCD, no?
00:50:27jhMikeSyes
00:50:50casainhoI don't have LCD :-)
00:51:03casainhohmm... but I have serial debug port...
00:51:04jhMikeSI see (or don't)
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00:53:06casainhobluebrother: yes, the crt0.S file clears bss
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01:23:41mikemhi, currently when i plug in my iPod's USB cable, I have to hold down Menu in order for the computer not to mount it. is it possible to swap this functionality, so that holding down menu is required for the computer to mount the iPod?
01:26:07linuxstbNo, there's no setting for that.
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02:11:01mc2739is there a dev available to change http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9601
02:11:25mc2739it should be task type patches instead of bugs
02:11:54LambdaCalculus37mc2739: I'll fix that.
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02:12:17mc2739LambdaCalculus37: thanks
02:12:31LambdaCalculus37Done.
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02:33:24Unhelpfullatest scalers at FS #9458. there's a lot working, but a few odd issues that might need more eyes.
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02:51:28LambdaCalculus37Ladies and gentlemen, I have here an iPod video successfully modded with a CF card and an iFlash adapter. :)
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03:11:56LambdaCalculus37Bah... spoke too soon... ATA Error -1. :/
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03:20:43Dhraakellianquestion: how much effect would the presence of a microSD card have on an e200's battery life?
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03:35:11LambdaCalculus37Modifying firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c and commenting out line 320 worked.
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04:02:44Virtualdistancehey i heard sansa v2 has sound now
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06:10:00Chaosmagi Do u feel like your life is stuck in a rut, just going around in circles. Do u feel Spirituality left out then all u have to do is !!!!TAKE BACK REALITY!!!! www.ellis69.webs.com
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06:31:25Virtualdistancehey sounds workingon sansa v2 e series right?
06:32:16LloreanVirtualdistance: Current status is in the forum thread and on the associated wiki pages.
06:32:35Virtualdistanceso no build yet?
06:32:45LloreanIf it was supported, it'd be listed on the front page as supported...
06:32:56Virtualdistanceis there an unsupported one?
06:33:07LloreanYou can compile a development one if you're planning on working on it, sure.
06:34:16Virtualdistancei guess i just need one compiled bleeding age "in development build"
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06:34:56Virtualdistancecause i rather have a bleeding age one than OF :)
06:35:46LloreanIf you can't compile it for yourself, you really shouldn't be using it yet.
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06:36:30Virtualdistance:(
06:44:01LloreanHave some patience. When it's reliable enough for use from day to day, it'll move into "supported"
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07:42:39ballmy iPod somehow booted into the Apple firmware instead of Rockbox. Is there a "key combination" that will fix it, or do I need to go through the RockBox install procedure again?
07:43:02scorchejust a reboot should do it
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07:43:33ballscorche: how do I do that?
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07:44:12scorchehold menu and select...this process is detailed many times throughout the internet and the manual...it would be prudent to do a bit of searching..
07:46:19ballokay, I'll look for TFM to R
07:49:18BHSPitMonkeyTFM is a very obvious part of the site's navigation bar...
07:49:46ballThere's a site? :-)
07:50:08BHSPitMonkeydon't make me facepalm
07:51:11*ball grins
07:51:22ballI know I looked at the site when I installed Rockbox
07:51:54ballSadly college means I don't get to read everything that I would like to.
07:53:35ballI'm going to bed now. I'm too tired to think.
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08:33:36pondlifejhMikeS: Any chance that your PCM muting mod will have fixed keyclick on those devices where it was broken? Or shall I carry on assuming that's a PP problem...?
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08:58:40JdGordonjhMikeS: there is a bug report which is possibly caused by your pcm muting fix (incase you didnt see it)
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10:20:51*JdGordon thinks that some time after 3.1 we need to have a discussion about how we eventually want to allow themeing in the rest of the ui, at the very least how we want to allow custom list viewport
10:22:02*Zagor has toyed around with a "transitions" idea
10:23:07JdGordon?
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10:24:08Zagornot really in response to your statement (which I agree with). just that it's a simple form of eye candy that I think many would like. and it could even be made pluggable.
10:24:23pondlifeJdGordon: Would you think it better if the wake-up alarm used the same setting code as the clock - allowing setting of an exact time (and probably reducing binsize) ?
10:24:34Zagorlike the left/right slide on ipods. or fade in/out, or crumble or whatever anyone wants to do.
10:24:40kontrollQuick question; what's the battery life like for rockbox on the iPod Video (60GB) compared to the default firmware?
10:25:06pondlifeI'd like to see the entire UI reworked to use a central state machine - so each screen is called from one place only and returns a "next screen" value...
10:25:29Zagorpondlife: whoa
10:25:35JdGordonpondlife: yes, and iirc there is a patch which does that, although its probaly out of sync
10:25:45B4gderpondlife: I'd like that too
10:25:54JdGordonpondlife: well the root menu mostly did that
10:25:56pondlifeI don't mean each and every screen (e.g. submenus would be part of the menu screen), but consistency could be improved
10:26:03B4gderkontroll: pretty good I think, there's a wiki page listing runtimes somewhere...
10:26:09pondlifeJdGordon: Yes, but we need to go all the way ;)
10:26:11Zagorit will be one heck of a state machine
10:26:25kontrollB4gder: Will check, I didn't see any mention of it in the FAQs.
10:26:43pondlifeProbably not as bad as you'd think... we have some messy code around that should vanish...
10:27:08JdGordonI was thinking more about how the bars and list positions should be allowed to be set, and if we want to really go nuts with the WPS and either allow it to have 1 massive one which handles everything, or mutliple wps', one for each bit of the ui.. or what
10:27:34B4gderkontroll: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime but all the numbers seem to be very old...
10:27:53kontrollHow the hell did you find that so fast? :X
10:28:15B4gderyou should try this new cool thing called google! ;-P
10:28:23kontrollBut you're right. No 3.0 numbers, right?
10:28:28B4gderno
10:28:35kontrollBah, google. I relied on the actual page structure.
10:28:46kontrollGuess I should have known to trust my googlefu.
10:29:06B4gder"site:rockbox.org/twiki [keyword]"
10:29:51kontrollAh. I don't normally rely on any advanced search features.
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10:34:11B4gderI'll sign you up for my google class ;-P
10:36:22kontroll"Very stable. Battery life has been improved, but there is still room for improvement." from the IpodPort page anyway. Not sure when the table was updated, but if it's for 3.0, I'll be happy. Battery life was my one gripe with Rockbox.
10:36:52B4gderI think battery life has improved even after 3.0, especially for mp3 playback
10:37:48kontroll*shrug* It's been a while since I used lossy formats. ;)
10:37:55kontroll<3 me some FLAC.
10:38:20B4gderflac playback should be decent too
10:38:29kontrollI hope so. :)
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11:28:33kugelI was right :)
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11:33:43kugelJdGordon: callback is a good idea. But it's not acknowledged if you go into a menu by going back (except for the root menu apparently). That's what my tests showed
11:34:18JdGordonno, not a menu callback... chanigng the theme should send a event
11:34:58kugelI tried sending GUI_THEME_HAS_CHANGED, but it apparently didn't work
11:35:16kugelin the callback function though, so that might be the reason it didn't work
11:35:28JdGordonbecause nothing is registered for it...
11:35:39JdGordonthat entire system needs doing
11:39:29kugelwhat about staying in the theme folder after changing a theme? if you change a font you can right away chose another font if you noticed it doesn't fit your current mood or whatever. I'd like to have that for themes too (and I know how to do it, so it's just a question of "would it be committed?")
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12:16:51kugelJdGordon: have you seen my latest customlist version?
12:18:49JdGordonno
12:19:29kugelI think it's a good version now
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12:28:04n1sfunman: does the flash buffering patch take care of voice?
12:28:28funmanno idea
12:29:17n1snot important at this stage but just as a note, a on-the-fly voiceclip loading scheme is used on the ondio which could perhaps be adapted
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12:36:27n1sbtw, do you still have the large pcm buffer? maybe that can be shrunk to free some ram?
12:37:49funmanyes, but how this free ram would be used ?
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12:39:24n1smaybe you need a static buffer to load a voice clip into for example?
12:40:32n1show much ram does the core need on the clip?
12:41:31funmanRAM usage: 879440
12:41:58funmanincluding 192kB for buffering_flash
12:42:50n1sif plugin buffer is 512kB and the pcm buffer is something like that in size you are already near the limit
12:43:23funmanI reduced plugin buffer to 384kB and pcm buffer is just taking whatever available RAM remains
12:44:03n1spcm buffer != audio buffer though, pcm is the one for decoded audio
12:44:20funmanhm
12:44:31funmanand pcm buffer is a part of audio buffer?
12:46:20n1si'm not exactly sure how it's allocated, see apps/pcmbuf.c
12:46:49n1sbut it varies in size with crossfade so maybe you will have to drop or limit that
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12:49:30funmanyes it's in audiobuffer
12:50:33n1smaybe that has something to do with the weird crashes, decoded audio overwritign stuff?
12:50:55funman_very_ probably, i'll try adding some sanity checks
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12:56:02kugelJdGordon: I found a way to phase out menu_vp
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13:03:01kugelmaybe not
13:12:16funmanI have ~280kB of buffer for encoded data, perhaps buffering.c assumes more (for example when setting the watermark at 512kB)
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13:17:17funmanI see a failed assumption in bufgetdata()
13:17:21JdGordonkugel: yes, by having a viewport manager of sort which will give you the "fullscreen" viewport if one isnt passed in
13:22:10kugelJdGordon: no, by letting vps to lists.parent after initializing the list. The list code takes care of NULL pointers
13:22:55kugelso no matter if the list was initialized with NULL or a parent, vps points to a valid viewport after
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13:24:07kugelI get segfaults after exiting a plugin (in the sim), even though the adresses are fine
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13:30:45funmanbuffering.c bufgetdata() says "prep_bufdata ensures copy_n <= GUARD_BUFSIZE"
13:31:06funmanbut this is only true if the requested size is > GUARD_BUFSIZE
13:32:19funmanI suppose that wouldn't be a problem if we wrap around the buffer at buffer_len - GUARD_BUFSIZE but I can't tell if it's true
13:34:42n1sfunman: i think Nico_P is the one that knows that stuff best
13:40:17jhMikeSJdGordon: 9602?
13:44:27JdGordonjhMikeS: yeah, mpegplayer crash if music wasnt stated
13:45:45jhMikeStechnically, the code shouldn't have changed for e200 since it never had the muting turned on
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13:47:27funmanh->ridx = 2MB+
13:48:02kugelJdGordon: with that change we could really get rid of list_default_init_viewports
13:48:20kugelI don't understand why it segfaults though upon exiting a plugin
13:48:35funmanNico_P: why are ridx and available (in struct memory_handle) volatile?
13:48:47JdGordonno, i dont tihnk that change would let you get rid of that
13:49:16kugelJdGordon: I just removed them and the menus refresh fine upon theme change
13:49:55Nico_PJdGordon: funman, IIRC, so that gcc treats it correcty as it may be modified concurrently
13:50:00Nico_Pmaybe it's overkill though
13:50:10kugelthat's because vps really points to the list.parent, and not to the parent passed to the menu or a seperate menu_vp
13:50:19JdGordoncrosstalk :D
13:50:26Nico_Psorry JdGordon, I didn't mean to highlight you
13:50:44funmanNico_P: I try to find the problems in buffering.c but the code is quite complex :/
13:51:21Nico_Pfunman: I don't really have time to answer your questions rght now as I have to go to classes
13:51:24funmanNico_P: why would it be modified concurrently ?
13:51:28Nico_Pbut this evening I should have some tim
13:51:32funmanok
13:51:43funmanhave fun ^^
13:52:02Nico_Psome funcs like bufopen and bufalloc are called on threads other than the buffering thread
13:52:57JdGordonkugel: ah yes... you're right... and its even worth doing... lemme know when a patch is ready
13:53:21JdGordonbtw, it works because the menu list is re-init (which default_blaa is going anyway
13:53:23Nico_Phmm on second thought I'm not sure that's actually relevant... I'd need to give another look at the code. it's been a long time
13:53:31JdGordonbut it means 1 less static viewport struck wasting ram
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13:55:22AlwieAlwie_Where I am? xD
13:55:29JdGordonabout to be kicked
13:55:40funmanAlwieAlwie_: just have a look at the topic
13:56:00AlwieAlwie_What is rockbox?
13:56:00gregoroviushow well does rockbox work in a 5g ipod? are the controls playable?
13:56:27B4gdergregorovius: it works fine and stable on the 5g
13:56:43gregoroviussorry, mistype, rockboY
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13:56:50B4gderah
13:56:56B4gderI don't know
13:57:03gregoroviusI was just browsing the plugins page
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13:57:14gregoroviuswondering if games are playable
13:57:21JdGordonkugel: almost willing to bet that the buttonbar will cause problems with that change though
13:57:23kugelJdGordon: sure, when I find out why plugins crash. Also, do_menu unnecessarily clears the display/viewport I think
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13:57:42kugel(list drawing does that too)
13:58:30JdGordonits done because screens dont clear themselves before exiting...
13:58:39JdGordonso you have scrollingin lines from the old screen
13:59:16funmaniCatcher.128x64x1.160x128x2.wps < does this naming reflects screen sizes/depth for remote and main lcds?
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14:00:45JdGordon?
14:01:25funmanin wps/ I see files are named "theme.width.height.depth.wps"
14:02:04funmanand 2 icatcher files are named with 2 different "width.height.depth"
14:02:55funmani'm trying to build a different wps for the Clip
14:02:58pondlifeJdGordon: My rough state machine/screen transition idea would take care of clearing stuff...
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14:03:47kugelJdGordon: Got it! not handling bars caused the crash
14:03:50n1sfunman: i thik the first screen dimensions are for a remote corresponding to the wps use on the main display with the second dimensions
14:03:55*pondlife wonders if he's the only one who'd like consistent braces throughout Rockbox...
14:04:23JdGordonfunman: oh right... n1s is probably right.. i guess because we can only have 1 userfont for both screens
14:04:53JdGordonpondlife: how? the central logic would clear the screen automatically?
14:04:59pondlifeYes
14:05:22pondlifeEspecially if a scroll/crossfade transition was configured :)
14:05:57pondlifeWe'd have a single place to do it, no need to rely on the screen itself.
14:06:14pondlifeThis is a *very* rough idea, of course!
14:06:34JdGordonroot_menu.c does what you want now already....
14:06:43JdGordonexcept the screen clearing
14:07:42pondlifeYes, but is it used for all transitions? Some screens (e.g. context menus) are bool functions - I'd think they could be int functions returning a "next screen" (of which "previous" is a valid option)
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14:08:03pondlifeSomething monstrous like that, anyway
14:08:28pondlifeSorry, I meant enum, not int...
14:08:33JdGordonwell.... context menus are directly linked to their host screen, and don't really need to go through the central logic
14:09:08*JdGordon wants multifont :<
14:09:17n1spondlife: I'd like consistent braces but as it stands we have pretty much every style used somewhere however the opening brace of a function is a strict rule in CONTRIBUTING
14:09:51B4gderconsistent braces would open for an "interesting" talk on what specific approach to use
14:10:09pondlifen1s: I've always worked to a policy of "maintain the existing style", but I'd prefer to use separate lines throughout.
14:10:22pondlifei.e. no if (x) {
14:10:36pondlifeIt's a personal preference, of course...
14:10:46n1spondlife: i prefer that style too but i guess it is a matter of taste
14:10:49*JdGordon thinks brace positions should be lower on everyones todo list...
14:10:51funmanperhaps braces style should be a setting?
14:10:58B4gderhaha
14:11:14funmannote using a newline increases binsize by 1
14:11:38JdGordon1? my tests showed eleventy billion
14:11:38pondlifefunman: srcsize, shurely?
14:12:09funman:)
14:12:36n1swe should cut down on whitespace and comments to save srcsize!
14:12:45pondlifeYes, and use tabs
14:12:48pondlife:)
14:13:09JdGordonand get rid of #defines to speed up compiling
14:13:11jhMikeSn1s: and all those newlines while we're at it. C really doesn't need them.
14:13:11pondlifeMore seriously, I like the if (1==x) style of testing
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14:13:43JdGordonthat one makes sense
14:13:47JdGordonalthough is annoying
14:13:58B4gderI like that one too
14:14:01n1sjhMikeS: yeah, why waste lines? :)
14:14:13B4gderC does need them
14:14:18B4gderat least in C89
14:14:22jhMikeSpondlife: it's my personal preference so I don't mess up if (x = 1)
14:14:23pondlifeIt becomes less annoying if used everywhere.
14:14:26B4gderit only supports 512 byte lines
14:14:40pondlifejhMikeS: Yes, I learnt that from you, now I use it in my day job
14:14:48n1sB4gder: we need to extend gcc then!
14:15:02jhMikeSpondlife: you did? I thought I didn't use that here. ?!?
14:15:04B4gdern1s: they fixed that later on so modern C versions can have any lengths I believe
14:15:17pondlifejhMikeS: Off someone here, I thought you explained it to me...
14:15:36pondlifeB4gder: Nah, we'll never get the punched-card machine port completed.
14:15:42B4gderdarn
14:15:52JdGordonkugel: patch? or tomorow and ill go to bed?
14:15:55jhMikeSpondlife: in an alternate worldline before they start collapsing it could be
14:16:30pondlifeMaybe, I guess the IRC logs contain all possible truths.
14:17:05pondlifeAnyway, sorry for mentioning braces - let's fix bugs instead...
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14:17:12JdGordonnaaaa
14:17:52kugelJdGordon: wait a second. some plugins still crash, but that might be due to my other changes
14:18:00*pondlife wants to commit the H300 RTC patch, but can't remember if that's officially blocked by petur's hard disk.
14:18:01jhMikeScode formatting is so much rewarding than proper behavior :)
14:18:02n1sLambdaCalculus37: regarding your ipd with ata -1 error, it would be useful if you worked out which bit(s) that actually cause that problem instead of simply removing the whole line. If that is figured out a fix could be put in svn, see FS #9342
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14:18:46n1spondlife: the alarm wake up thing?
14:18:47JdGordonpondlife: what was the problem there? it wouldnt read the disk or something yeah?
14:19:00pondlifen1s: Yes, it works great for me, and has done for months.
14:19:18n1spondlife: problem is that it doesn't work with the official bootloader
14:19:28pondlifeUnfortunately it needs a new bootloader, but petur's hard disk won't boot with an SVN bootloader.
14:19:50JdGordonpondlife: but it can go back to the OF?
14:19:55*n1s hopes LinusN will release a new h300 bootloader some day...
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14:20:05LambdaCalculus37n1s: I just went with one fix that was listed for the time being just to get it up and running. I'll figure out what caused it later (could be the card I used, though).
14:20:14pondlifeSo, the patch is not committed and I have to add it manually every time, because we don't want RTC options appearing in the menus until the new bootloader is released.
14:20:25pondlifeHowever, I fear it will be years until this progresses.
14:20:32kugelJdGordon: works! no crashing anymore.
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14:20:45kugeluntested on target though, lets rather wait until tomorrow. no need to rush
14:20:51LambdaCalculus37n1s: It's a kludgy fix; I admit it.
14:20:52n1sLambdaCalculus37: others have the same problem so a proper fix would be nice
14:20:58pondlifen1s: I don't think LinusN can repro the problem...
14:21:09pondlife...only petur can, IIRC
14:21:22JdGordonpondlife: as long as it can go back to the OF we should commit it, nag LinusN to release a new bootloader with it, then say if you have problems then use an old build and ignore the alarm options
14:21:36JdGordonkugel: can i see the patch anyway?
14:21:40kugelhttp://pastebin.ca/1274909
14:21:46pondlifeJdGordon: With the v5 bootloader it fails to boot up, I believe
14:21:56n1spondlife: but his disk works with the official bootloader?
14:22:01pondlifeYes, with v5
14:22:26JdGordonkugel: /me already doesnt like the first hunk :D
14:22:36pondlifeIt's an 8i0GB Toshiba one (MK8007GAH) - same as I have :/ Mine works fine.
14:22:40kugelwhy
14:22:56pondlifeRTC is a very useful feature...
14:23:04kugellist code calls viewport_set_defaults, no need for the menu to do it once more
14:23:08peturpondlife: LinusN knows what revision it starts going wrong iirc
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14:23:20kugelthe bar fixing stays
14:23:20JdGordonbecause if you're given a parent you shouldnt be modifiying it.. although i see that svn is doing it also
14:23:36peturpondlife: do commit whatever changes you need, I'll stick with the older bootloader
14:23:59peturbut I wasn't the only one with the issue iirc
14:24:01pondlifepetur: Yes, but until we work out what's wrong, we can't release a new bootloader.
14:24:13pondlifei.e. 50% of H300s might not boot with SVN.
14:24:17kugelJdGordon: why not? it's just about bar fixing and reversible
14:24:27peturit would be far less than 50%
14:24:31JdGordonhmmm
14:24:40kugelmodifying the parent directly allows to save inits
14:24:55pondlifeI think the RTC menu options need to appear if you have an RTC bootloader...
14:25:11kugelsee how I commented out the init_default_* as they're not needed anymore
14:25:12pondlifeNot sure how to pass that info across though.
14:25:48pondlifeJdGordon: Quick question about the time/date screen - how can you tell if the wake-up alarm is set or not?
14:25:59*petur is off again to give work some attention
14:26:07JdGordonpondlife: you probably cant...
14:26:14kugelJdGordon: and yea, svn modifies parents too, not in the menu code, but in the list code
14:26:43pondlifeI should probably work on that to display the current setting on entry.
14:27:00pondlife(ie. a time, or "None")
14:27:21JdGordonit would be nice to stick a alarm icon on that clock to show if one is set
14:27:36pondlifeYes
14:27:52pondlifeI'd like to be able to set any time too - like you can with most alarms
14:27:58pondlifeNot just 5 minute increments
14:28:02kugelI suppose we could replace the icon before the list entry with a "alarming one", or yea, put one next to the clock
14:28:22*n1s likes the statusbar idea
14:28:44Zagormy phone has a simple bell icon to show alarm is active
14:28:45n1soh and the compulsory wps tag
14:29:07n1smine displays a bell and the alarm time on the "desktop"
14:29:07pondlifen1s: I'll be happy with a WPS tag and a themeable status bar ;)
14:29:26pondlifeNo need to worry about updating the hard-coded status bar..
14:29:38n1spondlife: yes, that would be nice
14:30:02pondlifeDid anything come of linuxstb's proof-of-concept there?
14:30:14JdGordononly ideas....
14:30:36pondlifehehe
14:31:03pondlifeI'll stop veering from subject-to-subject now and look at the alarm setting screen.
14:31:19kugelbtw: I wonder what happened about this one patch, with which you can display all settings in the wps
14:31:21JdGordonthere is a patch to merge the clock and alarm sceen codes
14:31:33pondlifeJdGordon: That would be good
14:31:44pondlifeIs it still usable, with your recent work?
14:31:54*JdGordon doesnt know its number or if its still in sync
14:32:08kugelit's rotting on the tracker and noone ever talks about it. I think it's a nice patch which possibly saves a lot of seperate tags
14:32:18JdGordonmy work didnt remove code it probalby uses... only moved it
14:32:34JdGordonkugel: /me saw it and likes the idea... dunno about how it was done though
14:33:01pondlifepetur: I'd be interested to see what happens if you try the RTC patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7814) with your existing (v5?) bootloader. i.e. just build Rockbox, not the bootloader, then set an alarm.
14:33:51*petur has some unknown bootloader version cooked up by LinusN
14:33:57pondlifeAh, ok.
14:34:06JdGordondoes anyone know how we would go about passing a version string from the bootloader to the main build?
14:34:16peturI could try the patch with svn - maybe it boots now ;)
14:34:40pondlifeI don't think SVN has been changed much.
14:34:45pondlifeIt works for me, though ;)
14:35:12pondlifeI believe you'd be going back to the OF soon after.
14:35:54kugelJdGordon: so like the patch or not? I also have some ideas to clean up list.c's a bit
14:36:22JdGordonI like the idea...
14:36:47JdGordonI really want to seperate the bars from the rest of the screen which would clean things up ALOT
14:37:02pondlifeJdGordon: Why aren't the bars in their own
14:37:09pondlifeviewports?
14:37:17pondlife(Or, are they?)
14:37:22JdGordonthey are... sort of
14:37:42pondlifeThey should be, seems like an obvious way to isolate them a bit more.
14:37:44kugelthe main problem is imho that they don't update from alone
14:37:54JdGordonoh they will when I'm done with them
14:38:00*JdGordon will beat them into submission
14:38:09kugellist/menu/etc code always needs to issue updates
14:38:47pondlifeThe bar code should be independent of any screen (except for the basic positioning/hiding of the viewports), right?
14:39:06JdGordonshould be yes
14:39:26pondlifeheh, I take that as "*should* be" :)
14:39:37JdGordonwe could even put the statusbar at the bottom with some work!
14:39:47kugelvery little work
14:40:03pondlifeOf course, so the menu status bar can be in the same place as the cabbie WPS one...
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14:42:13kugelJdGordon: what exactly do you mean with "i like the idea...". are you expecting some drawbacks?
14:42:48*n1s wonders if Lear is going to complete and commit FS #8523, it seems like a worthwhile improvement
14:42:51JdGordonnot really... its all tied into how the bars are done... once thats fixed this will be done easily
14:43:51kugelyou will aways need to adjust the menu vps depending on the bars, no matter how seperate bar code is
14:44:30JdGordonno you wont :D
14:44:46JdGordonviewport_set_defaults() would give you the viewport that doesnt have bars in it
14:45:12JdGordonthe problem is there is still too much code using the NULL viewport
14:45:14kugeland then you overlap menus and bars? cool
14:45:30JdGordonno, the bars are outside the viewport
14:45:40JdGordonthe screen would be split into 2/3 areas
14:45:48kugelyou want to shift down menus if there's a statusbar at the top
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14:46:10kugeldon't you?
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14:46:31JdGordonyes, but it will be done for you
14:46:53kugelby what code? by the statusbar or list code? either way you need to adjust viewports
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16:47:08funmanTo have a different wps for models with the same screen resolution/depth, I think wpsbuild.pl should be extended to check for the existence of "THEME.WIDTHxHEIGHTxDEPTH-MODEL.wps" before "THEME.WIDTHxHEIGHTxDEPTH.wps"
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17:23:52funmandoes rockbox ensure playback & recording can't happen simultaneously?
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17:25:45LambdaCalculus37AFAIK playback immediately stops when you enter recording mode.
17:26:09LambdaCalculus37FM radio continues to play in recording mode.
17:26:26funmanso it doesn't stop?
17:26:57funmanor FM radio continues to be active, but its output is redirected to recording, and not to headphones?
17:30:31LambdaCalculus37funman: Let me check again.
17:30:37*LambdaCalculus37 gets out his c250
17:32:15LambdaCalculus37funman: Entering FM radio and then recording mode still outputs to headphones.
17:32:29LambdaCalculus37So I guess you can listen to when you want recording to stop.
17:32:38funmanoh nice
17:33:56funmanfor sansa ams we only have 2 DMA channels and one is already reserved for SD
17:34:13funmanperhaps we should only use DMA for output and standard copy for input
17:35:52funmanon PP dma isn't used for SD though
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17:37:06LambdaCalculus37funman: So we can still have headphone output for FM radio, even when recording?
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17:38:14LambdaCalculus37Cool. :)
17:38:15kugelfunman: can't you use interrupts to put all into those 2 channels?
17:38:18funmanwell, when we'll have access to the radio ;)
17:38:25funmankugel: no
17:38:44*kugel thought so
17:38:58funmanperhaps if we transfer ridiculous amount of datas at each time but i don't think that's worth
17:39:24kugelwhy ridiculous amounts?
17:40:26funmansmaller than the FIFO size of I2SIN & I2SOUT
17:40:53funmanor at least the time to transfer must be smaller than the size of data in the FIFO
17:40:56kugeloh you mean ridiculously small
17:41:09funmanyes sorry :/
17:41:14kugelsounds doable to me
17:41:26funmansounds not worth to me ;)
17:41:26kugelbut maybe not worth it, yea
17:42:55kugelhow about: record to a buffer on the one channel, and in an alternating fashion write to disk or sent to headphones
17:43:04kugelfrom the buffer that is
17:43:23funmanI tend to prefer the reverse
17:43:39funmanand use more efficient DMA for more used playback
17:43:51kugelfunman: for normal music playback, sure
17:44:27kugelbut in radio you cannot buffer ahead. also the buffer data must be live at anytime, so you cannot interrupt recording
17:44:47funmanthe i2sin chip buffers for us
17:45:11kugelthat buffer is obviously do small, as you've said
17:45:14kugeltoo
17:45:19funmanjust like the i2sout buffer
17:45:32kugelI mean a buffer in ram
17:45:54funmanI don't understand what you mean sorry
17:46:31kugelmeh
17:46:45kugelI'm just having random ideas in my mind. better you ignore me at all
17:46:56funman:)
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17:56:27unstableWhat is the biggest microsd card you can put in a Sansa e280 version1?
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17:56:53LambdaCalculus37Theoretically 32GB.
17:57:03LambdaCalculus37That's only with Rockbox, though.
17:57:54unstableright
17:58:04unstableLambdaCalculus37: Do they make 32GB microsd cards?
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17:58:15unstableThe biggest I can find on newegg is 2GB
17:58:45funmanunstable: just google for "microsd 32GB"
17:59:22n1s16GB ones should be available at least
17:59:37n1sthey might also be called mirosdhc
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18:00:40unstableI see, microsdhc is what it is.
18:00:50unstableThe highest capacity newegg has is 8GB
18:01:06unstableFor pretty cheap too, some are $15, some are $30
18:01:16n1sunstable: note that those will only work while inside rockbox and not in the original firmware so you need a cardreader to put files on them easily
18:01:45n1s(or you could copy files to the internal storage and use rockbox to copy to the card but it's cumbersome)
18:01:51unstableright, I know it will only work in rockbox.
18:01:57unstableMy laptop has a built-in card reader.
18:02:06n1sgood :)
18:02:54funmanThe sansa ams has a spdif receiver, but I somehow doubt it is used
18:03:53unstablehttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208377&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Memory+(Flash+Memory)-_-Transcend-_-20208377
18:03:56n1sgood opportunity for a hw mod then :)
18:04:12unstablewow, $33 USD for 16 gigs of flash. Am I click on the wrong thing or what, will that work with the e280 v1?
18:04:19unstableI feel like that's way too inexpensive.
18:04:38n1sthat's not micro
18:06:05unstablehttp://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10009561&prodlist=froogle
18:06:18unstable$82, about the same price as the player
18:06:49unstableAnyone have one of these e280s? Will this card bulge out of the player?
18:06:57LambdaCalculus37unstable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211351 <−− This is more of what you're looking for.
18:07:09LambdaCalculus37And it sits flush inside.
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18:07:37unstableLambdaCalculus37: But that is only 8GB
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18:10:15funmanhum I'm not sure how to handle concurrent access to the destination buffer pointer and size; between the i2sin interrupt handler and pcm_record_more()
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18:10:50funmanwell I suppose that's why pcm_rec_*lock() are there after all
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19:06:30funmanI'm trying to record on sansa ams using the microphone but I get a I2SIN FIFO push error
19:07:49domonokycheck if you get a fifo overflow/ fifo full interrupt before this...
19:08:23funmanhm i'll just show the raw status
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19:10:09domonokyprobably the fifo just overflows, as we got the same backwards at the beginning of i2sout support. (fifo empty, then fifo pull error)
19:11:25funmanyep it's full
19:12:27domonokyso your dma transfers dont work correctly.. :-)
19:12:42funmani don't want to use dma
19:12:53funmanso we could record and play at the same time
19:13:22domonokyah, you are reading it directly and interrupt driven ?
19:13:28funmanyep
19:13:38funmanperhaps it will work at low samplerates
19:14:35domonokymaybe it would also work better if you use a fiq instead of a irq.. but i dont know whats missing to get them running.
19:15:31funmanjhMikeS also suggested we use vectored interrupts
19:16:57funmanbtw how does FS #9332 (buffering) work for you on m200v4 ?
19:17:43funmanit seems the interrupt happen even if i didn't enable it in VIC_INT_ENABLE
19:18:20domonokyfunman: seems to work ok.
19:19:25funmanperhaps pcm_lock() and pcm_unlock() fail as well
19:19:36bertrikI wonder about the HPCM in the codec, it is needed for the clip (i.e. not actively turned off), but apparently not for m200v4?
19:20:23funmani have a deadlock when I enter recording although :/
19:20:38bertrikdomonoky, does stereo on the m200v4 sound normal, or do you get a kind of echo-y effect with very little bass?
19:21:25domonokybertrik: it seems to be fine, but lets check which settings i use at moment.
19:24:30funmangit svn info reports revision 0 when the tree has been modified :/
19:29:50*domonoky thinks it sounds better with HPCM_off, but i dont really trust my ears :-)
19:30:04funmanfor the Clip the difference was very noticeable
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19:37:16jhMikeSfunman: you only have one DMA channel?
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19:38:18*jhMikeS wonders who every though two was sufficient'
19:39:37kugelit apparently is sufficient. the of can do radio+recoding just fine
19:40:35kugeljhMikeS: you did the video overlay thingy in mpegplayer, right?
19:40:37jhMikeSbut if you're using one for ATA, then you can't have one for full-duplex audio
19:41:06*kugel nearly said wvs, but then realized he would get slapped by Llorean
19:41:16jhMikeSkugel: overlay?
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19:41:52*jhMikeS named it WVS and remembers Llorean had some part in that
19:42:24kugelI'm officially not allowed to call it wvs here. So I say "video overlay"
19:42:43jhMikeSOSD has been used
19:43:09kugelhm, osd even better than wvs actually, lets try that :)
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19:43:55kugeljhMikeS: anyway. the anti-aliased font patch struggles with it on LCD_PORTRAIT targets, since you implemented a mono_bitmap_part rotated version
19:45:05kugeland since aaf use a alpha_bitmap_part function which isn't ported to rotated, it only displays pixel garbage.
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19:45:38kugelit's not too different from mono_bitmap_part, but still over my head. So I wanted to ask you if you could have a look at that
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19:47:56jhMikeSkugel: I had to do something since I wanted to use the users font for it and rotation isn't a core feature
19:48:18LloreanjhMikeS: I always thought it was OSD.
19:48:23LloreanI don't recall being involved in WVS
19:48:55*jhMikeS was just bs-ing
19:49:31kugeljhMikeS: I haven't said the rotated version was to be in the core. But to get aaf in a committable state again, the font rendering function has to be implemented in a rotated version (at least for the mpegplayer)
19:49:43*jhMikeS is 100% responsible for "WVS" from the brain drain of writing 10k+ lines of code for that plugin
19:49:53kugelreverting to sysfont in the mpegplayer, and only if a aaf is used, is surely not nice
19:50:35LloreanjhMikeS: I more or less asked kugel not to use "wvs" outside of when he's mentioning it function names that include it, until we start calling the screen the "wvs" in the docs, since it's not a term users or most others are going to recognize for the screen.
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19:51:21jhMikeSkugel: I suppose it just has to swap things around so shouldn't be that hard. Personally, I think rotating should be a core feature even if functions need two versions.
19:52:00jhMikeSLlorean: Is there any official name yet? On-Screen Display is the common video term.
19:52:12LloreanOSD works fine for me.
19:52:26LloreanIt doesn't need an official "name" if there's an acceptable term like that anyway.
19:52:43LloreanIt's a common term used for the same thing in other software.
19:53:29LloreanI just wanted to avoid throwing around "made up" terms that we don't already define for our users in the docs except when strictly necessary.
19:53:33kugeljhMikeS: would you mind looking into it? For you, who made the mono version, it should be pretty straight forward, yes
19:54:42jhMikeSkugel: It's just about swapping the coordinates really. Which patch is it?
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19:56:28kugeljhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8961
19:57:38kugelI understand that it's mostly about swapping coordinates (I thought that too before I looked at it for the first time), but then it needed some more understanding for font stuff like glyphs
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20:06:17jhMikeSunless I'm missing something, there's only the one patch, correct?
20:08:19kugelyes
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20:08:52kugeljhMikeS: the first version is pretty perfect already, it's just the mpegplayer problem
20:10:06kugelgreyscale is how much bits? 2 or 4?
20:10:42jhMikeSIt looks variable to me
20:11:14kugelI mean grey scale targets
20:11:20LloreanI think they're all 2bpp right now.
20:11:23kugelthe patch uses 4bit alpha blending
20:11:27jhMikeSHowever, something like the S could just render TTF vector fonts on the fly and be able scale them
20:11:48kugelit was supposed to be variable, but it turned out 4 is sufficient (2bit looked bad)
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20:13:48kugeljhMikeS: yea, if we had only beast
20:13:53kugel-like targets :)
20:15:53jhMikeSThere will be more I'm sure. I don't think hardware will get weaker as time passes and rockbox shouldn't fall behind the curve.
20:16:29kugelof course not
20:17:02kugelbut this patch will do for a) existing, not so powerful targets and b) until more beasts are supported
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20:22:21jhMikeSwith the beast (when most grunt work is done), the IPU should be able to draw alpha-blended stuff.
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20:24:12kugeljhMikeS: Ok, lets seperate the beast from the other targets and implement real men stuff for the beast only? :D
20:26:27jhMikeSkugel: I'm want to get to the fun stuff like that. mpegplayer is a perfect app for using that HW. It can do real overlays, rotation and YUV conversion.
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20:49:44nicferHow much is the probability that a company decides to use rockbox as firmware for their player?
20:50:05scorche|sh8.453%
20:50:40krazykiti'd say closer to 3.1416%
20:50:49scorche|shbut seriously, i dont see how one can answer such a question...it isnt a probability...it is a decision
20:50:52fredddykugel, I have trying your button code for the fuze. I got the power button working ( I think you got that work too ?). My thought is that gpio_ie has to be set to something else
20:52:05*domonoky thinks its NaN% :-)
20:52:30scorche|shdomonoky: ah...i am going with your answer now
20:52:34gevaertsdomonoky: surely it's 5+2i?
20:55:20jhMikeSe^(i*pi) + 1
20:59:54nicferThe biggest advantage would be having a device with free software from the box
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21:00:31scorche|shsure...but that isnt up to us
21:02:28*jhMikeS will start a company when once the lottery check arrives (darn beaurocratic red tape)
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21:04:50kugelfredddy: I don't think so
21:05:04kugelfredddy: try to get the power button working without gpiob_ie
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21:05:25kugelfredddy: but thanks for looking into it. I'm nearly out of ideas
21:06:02nicferWell, wait until someone picks this
21:06:04fredddykugel, No I mean to change the OB define to something different
21:06:43kugellinuxstb: what's cheaper: display->update() or display_update_viewport() ? Given that you save the pre-calculations to be within the rect
21:07:19kugelfredddy: OB is just our button mask, it's the gpio pins which are used for the buttons
21:07:57kugeland you enable interrupts with IE, and only for the pins responsible for button reading
21:08:52fredddyhmm okay
21:09:20kugelfeel free to play around! I'm not stopping you from finding the truth!
21:11:50jhMikeSthe truth finds you, if you are ready to see. :p
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21:12:52kugeljhMikeS: Really? Then it must be the force which isn't with me
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21:13:32DornulWill there be a Rockbox for the Sandisc Sansa View?
21:14:19Dornulthe current firmware is terrible
21:14:37scorche|shDornul: we dont make predictions, but a port is in progress
21:14:45*jhMikeS is just fixing red stuff
21:14:52gevaertsscorche|sh: For the view?
21:15:02*jhMikeS can get out the tarot cards and do a reading
21:15:07scorche|shgevaerts: sure...why not ;)
21:15:14Dornulsurely hope so
21:15:52gevaertsIsn't that one different from the AMS series?
21:16:01scorche|shDornul: that doesnt mean there will be a port...it just means that some people have looked at it
21:16:06scorche|shgevaerts: it is
21:16:33DornulI'll keep my hopes up ;)
21:16:36gevaertsscorche|sh: I wouldn't call that "in progress" yet...
21:16:51*kugel was about to say the same
21:16:55scorche|shDornul: hopes wont make a port happen...people working on it would
21:17:24DornulI know but I can't do it. Don't have the skills :(
21:17:43bluebrotherget 'em ;-)
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21:17:55kugelNow I wonder why pf takes ages to prepare covers even if I don't have any album art
21:18:35kugeljust to return with error
21:19:24Dornulscorche|sh: thanks for the awnser
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21:50:59kugelhaha
21:51:04kugelthe cowond2 sim is a pain
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21:52:28jhMikeSthose stubs are now causing linker conflicts whereas they didn't previously
21:53:25jhMikeSthe bootloader ones anyway. sims and targets are ok now.
21:53:40jhMikeSeh, firmware, blah
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22:31:12linuxstbkugel: I don't understand your question about the cost of lcd_update() vs lcd_update_viewport() - they do different things, so you should use the appropriate one. But additions/subtractions are very cheap.
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22:44:09kugellinuxstb: I know they don't do exactly the same. But I'm wondering why Rockbox at different places does "set_viewport(vp);lcd_update_viewport();set_viewport(NULL()"
22:45:16linuxstbI don't know - hopefully I didn't write that...
22:45:29kugelI'd just do "lcd_update();set_viewport(vp)". I don't see a reason in just updating a part of the lcd, if (and hence my question) updating the whole lcd is probably cheaper in such a case
22:45:53kugels/probably/might be/
22:46:24linuxstbIf that part of the code is just responsible for drawing inside a specific viewport, IMO it's the Right Thing to call lcd_update_viewport(). But the code you quoted looks awkward.
22:46:25kugelI mean, lcd_update_rect contains several sanity checks, adds/subs and a loop in general
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22:47:36kugelalso, I've yet to find a good explanation to intentionally only update parts of the screen
22:48:14kugelexcept the "it's proper to only update the part the code is responsible for"
22:48:18linuxstbA partial update is faster than a full update.
22:48:42kugelOk, that answers my question :)
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23:02:44webguest93i just bought the 4th gen ipod nano...are there any open projects that will support this gen?
23:02:51krazykitno
23:02:56webguest93really?
23:03:00krazykitreally.
23:03:04webguest933.0 doesnt?
23:03:05webguest93that sucks
23:03:16webguest93is there any other open source like rockbox for the 4th gen?
23:03:20webguest93other then ilinux?
23:03:36krazykitno, no non-apple code runs on that device.
23:03:54webguest93what?
23:04:02webguest93the 4th gen doesnt use apple code?/
23:04:05webguest93what is it then?
23:04:14Bagderno non-apple
23:04:21Bagderthat means only apple code
23:04:28webguest93AHHHHH
23:04:37webguest93do like ipodlinux wont even run?
23:04:43webguest93so**
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23:05:44Bagderhow many times do you want the answer served?
23:05:57krazykitwebguest93, let's make it very clear. you're stuck with what you have.
23:06:23webguest93oh
23:06:27webguest93ok cool
23:06:35webguest93thanks guys...sorry my retartedness
23:06:46Bagdersell the nano and get a better player
23:06:58Bagder:-)
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23:11:45bluebrotherhmm. Is there a reason the h100 manual platform file is called "h1xx.tex" while for the h300 it's "h300.tex"?
23:12:24bluebrotherI'm tempted to change it to h100.tex ...
23:12:28funmanpixelma2: I had a look at the wps building but I see no special code for h100/h300 - I suppose the difference between the two is the size of the remote lcd
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23:34:31Lloreanfunman: I thought the remote LCDs are the same size.
23:34:36LloreanThe main screen LCD is different
23:34:50Llorean220x176 on the h300 vs 160x128 on the h100 if memory serves.
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23:38:24ej0rgeHi
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23:39:04advcomp2019ej0rge, hello.. you have a question?
23:40:28ej0rgeadvcomp2019: Thought I'd ask for wiki write access, so i can add a link to the newer, cheaper, smaller CF card to 50 pin ide adapter from dealextreme to the cfmodguide page
23:41:30advcomp2019what is your wiki name?
23:41:30ej0rgemaybe note my success in adding an RTC to my H120 to that page
23:41:34ej0rgeEric Jorgensen
23:43:49linuxstbej0rge: Do dealextreme ship worldwide? If not, it would be nice to mention that.
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23:44:47advcomp2019ej0rge, done.. do not spam please too.. linuxstb, i think they do
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23:45:23ej0rgelinuxstb: I think they do. I see reviews in various languages on their site.
23:46:06ej0rgeadvcomp2019: wouldn't dream of spamming. I'm just a regular DX customer who's getting ready to install a CF card in a H320 that was brought back from the dead.
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23:46:29funmanej0rge: don't worry, it's just a Turing test ;)
23:46:54ej0rgewithin a couple weeks i should be able to report whether the Topram 32gb CF cards that go for about $50 on ebay work w/ rockbox in irivers
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23:47:38Zagorej0rge: what was that about adding an rtc to your h120?
23:48:26ej0rgeZagor: You can add a Dallas RTC chip to an H120 very easily. There's a guide in the wiki. I did it purely for hack value, because the chip is available as a free sample from Maxim
23:48:53ej0rgeit was way easier to install the RTC than it was to install a schottky diode between the usb power pin and the DC inlet socket
23:49:27Zagorah, I hadn't seen that page
23:49:34linuxstbej0rge: To answer my own question, dealextreme are based in Hong Kong, and appear to ship anywhere...
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23:52:29saratogaBagder: any chance you could update the "Current Status" link on the front page to something like "Current Status and Other Targets"?
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23:55:22Zagorsaratoga: "Current status on all targets"
23:56:03Zagor"for all targets" perhaps?
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23:56:52Nico_PZagor: what about adding a link to MajorChanges?
23:57:26Zagorany suggestion where?
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