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#rockbox log for 2008-12-07

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03:29:01LloreanI dunno. If we don't try to explain to people why we think there's a reason for the rules, we may as well just say all the rules are simply "Because we say so, do it or else"
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03:29:01Unhelpfulthe reasons are on that page as well. maybe explanation needs to be given at the moment, while wiki is down, but saying "the rules and the reasons for them are here" and then a kick if they argue without even looking does not seem excessive to me
03:29:01scorcheJdGordon: i am a firm believer in warnings and explanations...there is a fine line between too soft and too hard...
03:29:01scorchei also dont like kicking...a 10 minute mute is quite a bit more effective...especially as they usually leave sometime within that 10 minutes by their own accord
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06:02:38Unhelpfulit sure seems like audio_resume() won't actually resume from audio_stop()
06:03:06*JdGordon cant seem to remember by his patch fixed the bug :'(
06:05:58jhMikeSUnhelpful: Why not take a peek at audio_set_crossfade in playback.c. That's pretty much the steps needed to alter the buffer layout.
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12:58:59JdGordonn1s: so how does the radio code need fixing for the beast?
12:58:59n1sJdGordon: afaict the fm code scanning/seeking is built around setting a frequency and seeing if the chip thought it found a valid channel and incrementing the freq and repeating
12:58:59bertrikthe si47xx is WAY smarter than that :)
12:58:59n1sthe si4700 has a very nice built in seeking function where you basically set starting freq, threshold and direction and it does everything for you but i don't know how to make that work with our current radio code
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12:58:59bertrikn1s, funman found the code for si47xx radio control in the clip firmware. I took a look at how it communicates with the fm chip.
12:58:59bertrikthe clip also uses i2c like it does on the beast
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12:58:59bertrikthe general idea seems to be that it keeps a cache of all 16 radio registers. Changing a setting is done by modifying one or more of these cached registers, then finally writing all 16 registers in a single block to the fm chip over i2c.
12:59:02bapdoghi, anyone know if there are places in the UK you can buy v1 sansa e280 (apologies if FAQ)
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13:00:59bertrikwe're very sure about the pins used for i2c towards the radio chip, but we haven't been able to get actual communication going. I think we're missing a radio power-enable, radio reset signal or something like that.
13:00:59n1sbertrik that's what i've done in the driver so far and it seems to work nicely (the register cache thing)
13:00:59bertrikgood to hear
13:04:50bertrikIt seems there's a single 32 kHz crystal in the clip, used both for the radio and the RTC in the as3525. I'm not very sure about who is driving the crystal (the si47xx or the as3525). Looking in the radio code, it seems that it's actually the radio that drives the 32 kHz crystal.
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13:04:50bertrikthere is a trace running on the PCB of the clip that seems to go from the XIN_32k or XOUT_32k pins of the as3525 to the radio chip
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13:13:52bertrikthe general rule of thumb for crystals is to place them as close as possible to the driver/oscillator, which is the radio in case of the clip. That would mean that the RTC would require the radio chip to be always powered on in a state where it keeps driving the crystal, which seems a bit odd.
13:15:33JdGordonn1s: do you want to play with a patch I started which moves parts of recorder/radio.c into firmware?
13:16:18JdGordonwith the intention of having all radio config moved out of apps so only the actual gui and presets are in apps
13:26:23n1sJdGordon: i like the idea but i don't think i have time to play with that today
13:26:23JdGordonok
13:26:23n1shere is a better version of my current gigabeast fm radio patch, it works with the fm screen now but scanning is not working nicely yet... http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/gbs_fm_v6.diff
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15:17:33bertrikcool, the si4702 radio chip can be put in a power-down mode where it just consumes max 12 uA
15:20:29Unhelpfuldoes it need to be told to do that if it's never used? ie, is telling it to do that going to be a battery life gain for beast?
15:21:38bertrikit's not very clear from the datasheet (at least the parts I read). There's a ENABLE and DISABLE bit which are both 0 at first power-up.
15:26:21bertrikDuring fm chip initialisation, the host should set ENABLE to 1 and DISABLE to 0
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15:26:22n1s_i think it starts in the powered down mode
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15:26:51bertrikoh, the datasheet mentions that the chip itself sets ENABLE to 0 and DISABLE to 0 as part of the power-down sequence, so indeed it seems to start in powered-down mode
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16:57:13*dionoea <3 the new build system ... it's really faster
16:58:39dionoeayay, rockbox on my e260(v1) hung during a usb write to the device :)
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17:07:13Tannyanybody have a preferred converter to make video compatible with the mpeg player plugin?
17:09:12bertrik\o/ I think I'm getting some data back from the fm chip in the clip
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17:18:08bertrikn1s_, what did you read as the si47xx device id?
17:21:55n1s_bertrik: don't remember, sorry
17:22:14bertrikcool, chip id and device id match the values mentioned in the si4702/3 datasheet :)
17:22:43n1s_i may be able to check tonight or romorrow
17:22:53n1s_well, that's great :)
17:24:02n1s_bertrik: i got it working with the fm screen now btw, but seeking is not so nice
17:24:31n1s_patch is here if you're interested http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/gbs_fm_v6.diff
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17:24:39bertrikyeah, can't wait to tell funman
17:24:51bertrikyay, patch tracker is back up
17:25:05n1s_oh, better get that on there then :)
17:25:38dionoeawhat's the status on audio playback on the clip? (I need to talk my sister into installing rockbox on her clip)
17:26:48bertrikoggs and wavs play reliably here, but mp3s stutter. You may experience random crashes / panics.
17:27:38bertrikIMO, rockbox on the clip is not ready for general consumption yet
17:27:43*n1s_ still can't reach the tracker :(
17:27:57dionoeaok. I'll tell her to wait a bit then :)
17:28:03saratogai think dns hasn't updated since i can't get there either
17:28:12dionoean1s_: works fine here
17:28:16saratogaalthough logbot is able to stay in the channel, so maybe the machine is working correctly
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17:32:01bodymindhei... i just get an error: "partition not found" with the last svn firmware for e260v2
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18:11:00bertrikHi funman, I got communication with the fm chip in the clip working
18:11:12saratogaand the website is back
18:11:26funmanbertrik: cool !
18:12:03bertrikreading data at least, the chip and device ids that I read back match the information from the datasheet
18:13:10funmandid you have to enabler power somehow?
18:14:28bertrikI did enable D6, but I'm not sure if it's really needed yet
18:15:14bertrikI also worked a bit on generic_i2c.c
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18:21:30bertrikGPIO D6 doesn't make a difference it turns out. The reason I tried because it seems there's a trace running from near the radio chip to pin J15 which is GPIO D6.
18:22:10bertrikfunman, there is a trace running from near the radio that seems to go to either the 32 kHz input or output of the as3525
18:22:56funmanselectable clock ?
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18:27:04bertrikit would make sense to make to let the as3525 drive the crystal, so the RTC can keep running and the radio chip can be powered down. On the other hand, the crystal is close to the radio which would suggest that the radio is driving it.
18:29:12bertrikI can't really tell whether the trace is going to the 32kHz input (R13) or output (R14) on the as3525, they're right next to each other
18:29:25bodymindhei... i just get an error: "partition not found" with the last svn firmware for e260v2 :s
18:29:46bertrikthe power consumption of the fm chip is quite low, so perhaps it's always powered
18:31:32funmanquite possible
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18:34:55funmanbertrik: i'm curious about the difference between your code and mine ;)
18:38:04bertrikI think the thing that made it finally work, is my modification of generic_i2c.c to make it work more like the clip OF
18:38:12bertrikI'll post a patch in a few minutes
18:39:23*Bagder got the builds going again now
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18:41:25gevaertsBagder: ns3.rockbox.org still points to 83.168.254.42 for www.rockbox.org
18:42:06Bagderyes, details are still not fixed
18:43:03Bagdershould be fine in a short while
18:43:53Bagder(the primary site was DNS master and we the backup was made master so now I had to switch back the backup to dns slave)
18:44:32BagderI type in mysterious ways but I figure you get it anyway ;-)
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18:45:43gevaertsI think so, yes :)
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18:51:50bertrikfunman, here's code I'm using now http://pastebin.ca/1278912, BTW n1s posted his radio work at http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/gbs_fm_v6.diff
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19:08:33bertrikfunman, I think I identified most of the radio functions in the OF, like mono/stereo, mute/unmute, de-emphasis, set volume, enable oscillator and tune
19:10:31bertrikthe patch modifies the bootloader to read all fm registers and display them in a hex dump and keeps hanging in the BL. Values shown still have incorrect endianness, but the values 0x4212 and 0x0010 for the chip and device id correspond with the values mentioned in the datasheet
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19:13:55funmanthe register IDs seem wrong to me : I see Register 00h (device ID) at position 6 (the 7th)
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19:15:37bertrikreading always starts at register 0xA and wraps to 0 after register 0xF
19:16:07funmanok
19:17:28woosterhello, I have a sansa clip and would be willing to test the rockbox port on it
19:18:14woosteri'm not a programmer but I've used rockbox on other sansas (e260, c2x0) so am somewhat familiar with the setup
19:18:54*wooster has seen a lot of activity on the porting recently and wonder if it's far enough along where a naif could help in testing
19:19:54blkhawkafaik itsnot quite there yet
19:20:14blkhawki have a e200v2 myself
19:20:41woosterthanks blkhawk. my other devices are all v1 (of course)
19:21:01funmanwooster: you can work on the keymap if want
19:21:20woosterfunman, okay, will be glad if I can be of help
19:21:34woosterand thank you funman for all the work you're doing on this.
19:22:17funmanthanks :x i'm able to do this because i'm backed up by a lot of people
19:22:42woosterwell it's nice to see all the "commits' coming up from you so thank all the people backing you up too :>
19:23:19wooster'commits' or subversion or whatever (as I said I'm not a coder)
19:25:13funmando you already have a build environment?
19:26:03woosterNo, I have nothing :< just a clip
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19:26:41Bagderyellow builds I see...
19:26:52Bagderand red
19:26:53woosterso even getting me up to that would take more of your time than would be beneficial unless there's some documentation I can read to get a build environment working
19:28:34funmanyou can start by http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
19:29:57*funman blames dionoea for the red and yellow
19:30:43woosterTHanks funman will read and try and figure it out.
19:31:03funmanyou're welcome
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19:35:25funmanbertrik: I'll try to minimize the changes to generic_i2c.c so we can use it
19:35:42funman(even if no target use it at the moment)
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19:39:13bertrikthe stuff in #if 0 is the original code
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19:40:32funmanI'm not sure why i2c_read/write_data clears the last bit of the address
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19:43:41bertrikwe might as well rewrite the i2c code to suit our purpose, since the original was never used anyway
19:44:26CrippsFXjust as long as you don't change the API ;)
19:44:28bertrikfor example, combine the read/write of a byte with the ack
19:45:32funmani thought it's better to use this generic i2c if one day another target uses it
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19:51:42bertrikfunman, I mean stuff like making the sub-address optional
19:52:22funmanusing address==-1 as a check would be good
19:53:51funmanit seems only sda_input() & sda_output() were missing from the low level functions
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20:00:35bertrikCrippsFX, even the API could use a rework. Funny how the code takes into account 6 different i2c delays, but didn't actually work in practice.
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20:01:28funmanit does !! (i2c_read/write_data() need a rewrite however)
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20:06:43Bagderok, both ns servers now agree on what IP www has
20:06:53BagderI hope
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20:08:08gevaertsThey seem to agree now, yes
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20:12:02funmanit's a bit weird that i2c_read_data() uses 2 start bits and send 2 times the iface address
20:13:39bertrikyeah, I think i2c_read_data first writes the sub-address, then does a repeated START, then reads the data
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20:14:25funmanI'll commit my generic_i2c.c diff
20:15:16funmanbasically it explicits sda_output or input in each function, adds scl_output() in i2c_add_node(); and rewrites a bit i2c_data_read() and i2c_data_write()
20:15:55funmanmaking the subaddress optional (if != -1), and using goto in error cases for easier reading
20:16:42funmani'll remove logf() as well (return code is there for a reason!)
20:18:20bertrikok with me
20:19:46funman+ add a check in i2c_add_node (there is only room for 5 interfaces) :)
20:21:55bertrikI find it a bit weird that the functions take an address and the i2c code tries to find a matching bus for it. This means that addresses need to be unique across all buses. Not yet a problem though...
20:24:17funmanright, perhaps the init function should return an index
20:28:14funmanby the way I think we should write a generic si470x.c which calls target specific fm_i2c_read/write() , how does that sound for you ?
20:35:27bertrikI think we should rename it to fmradio_i2c_read/write. This is also how other tuner code does it, and also how n1s already did it in his patch.
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20:36:19funmanoh I hadn't looked at it yet
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20:37:32funmancould you get sound already ? (I suppose using the same line input than e200v1 will do)
20:37:41bertrikfunman, no haven't tried
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20:39:04bertrikI think what remains to be done: 1) use n1s si4700.c code 2) link it with our fmradio_i2c code 3) enable codec input/volume
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20:39:38bertrikwe should be able to do this before the end of the weekend :P
20:41:16funmanshould it be renamed to si470x ?
20:41:52bertrikyeah, I think so
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20:49:04bertrikfunman, I'm trying to attach si4700.c to fmradio_i2c now
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20:55:02Aurix_LexicoUgh, I tried to compile the bootloader for my zen vision:m, but I got this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/82086/
20:55:58gevaertsAurix_Lexico: did you build for a different target before?
20:56:36Aurix_LexicoI probably build a UI sim for another target
20:56:50Aurix_Lexico*built
20:56:57gevaertsDid you run make clean?
20:57:19Aurix_Lexicono
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20:57:39gevaertsThat's probably your problem then
20:57:54Aurix_Lexicoyep, it worked now, thanks
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21:00:33Jaykayam i allowed to suggest a patch for closing?
21:00:34funmanbertrik: i'm not in the mood to write code but i can debug if you want me
21:00:51funmanJaykay: you don't need allowance : so yes you are
21:01:05Jaykayhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5927?project=1&type=4&pagenum=3
21:01:41bertrikI do feel like coding tonight, but don't know if I can finish it. I'll create a patch with my progress at the end of the evening, ok
21:02:04Jaykayediting of id3v1 tags, i think nearly nobdy uses id3v1..... and linus (nielsen....) said it should be closed :)
21:02:48ZagorI wonder why he wrote it instead of doing it...
21:02:53*Zagor closes
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21:04:06Jaykayok......
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21:04:37funmanI was closing it, and thought "why does it mark closed by Zagor" .. :)
21:05:08Zagor:)
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21:05:39funmanbertrik: btw I looked again at i2sin and my Clip deadlocks, don't know why. This week i'll get my JTAG cable and if time allows I can try to find where (and why)
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21:25:14*n1s_ wonders if jhMikeS has forgotten about FS #7464 ?
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21:25:25weeewow, big channel
21:25:57RETiRED`ShorTLiFIs a days will be possible to have rockbox on an iPod Classic or we have to forget it right there ?
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21:26:46krazykitRETiRED`ShorTLiF, there are a few major stumbling blocks in the way of supporting the iPod Classic. you can read the thread in the New Ports forum to see what they are
21:27:44RETiRED`ShorTLiFok thank you!
21:28:12n1sbluebrother: was 9133 fixed by your recent changes, if not i don't understand the bug...
21:30:28*bertrik looks for a good place to place a call to an init function
21:31:34*jhMikeS wonders if he knew about FS #7464 and looks
21:32:18Unhelpfulbertrik: for? you could always set a breakpoint in gdb in whichever function needs the data init'd, to see where it happens first
21:33:06bertrikfor registering and initialising the fmradio i2c bus
21:33:37n1sbertrik: in tuner_power() perhaps?
21:33:38weeeso are there any downsides to using rockbox?
21:34:06n1sweee: that depends on how you want to use your player
21:34:14Unhelpfulweee: you have to own a DAP that it supports? you'll probably love it so much you start developing for it and waste all of your time in here? ;)
21:34:22jhMikeSn1s: ahh, hmmm. I had a patch to give pretty sweet reception and scanning...for the US regions but it fails epically for the European region, so somehow a couple different ways of setting up the chip need to be done for the best results.
21:34:26bertrikweee, some targets lack reliable USB
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21:34:55weee60gb ipod video
21:35:08weeeit's compatible, :)
21:35:19bertrikradio differences are channel spacing, band start/end and de-emphasis IIRC
21:35:34n1sjhMikeS: not meaning to push you but i thought your las comment sounded like you had a finished patch and had just forgotten to commit it :)
21:35:53bertrikn1s, I'm worried that tuner_power may be called multiple times
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21:36:34Unhelpfulbertrik: could have a global flag to see if the bus has been initialised yet?
21:36:35n1sbertrik: it could yes, on the beast i enable/disable the i2c node in that function
21:37:05funmanwhy not create an init function for si4700 ?
21:37:13jhMikeSn1s: I turned it over to preglow to test. I would have considered it finished for US. He gave me some tuner readings from Europe that could help improve that as well.
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21:38:17n1sjhMikeS: btw i posted my progress with the fm on the beast in fs#9609 maybe you could look at it, especially the parts that mess with the codec?
21:39:25jhMikeSIf it works, go for it. I'm sure recording from FM will not fall far behind anyway. Or is it that you want me to verify the wmcodec setup?
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21:40:51n1smostly the audio_input_mux() function, i'm not sure that is correct or the best way to go about it
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21:43:20*jhMikeS will think while he flies his itty-bitty rc helicopter around
21:44:14Jaykay_i have a question concerning http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7405?project=1&type=4&pagenum=6
21:44:44Jaykay_no, not to this patch
21:45:00jhMikeSn1s: Another thing with the x5v is I think the tuner shows up (detection not really implemented as someone reported)
21:45:06Jaykay_why is audio playback shut off when opnening a plugin that uses sound?
21:45:50jhMikeSbecause there's only one audio device that must be shared
21:45:52Jaykay_or is it shut off in every plugin?
21:45:56n1sjhMikeS: ah, not a major problem i think but proper detection could be nice, which my gigabeast patch does not do either :/
21:46:10Jaykay_ok then this patch can be closed
21:46:33n1sAre there in fact beasts that don't have fm?
21:46:42bluebrothern1s: seems this was fixed when changing the manual to utf-8
21:46:51jhMikeSe200 just checks if it can read the chip id. the philips chip has to real chips id but I'm sure some readout can be verified.
21:47:11n1sour wiki page says only the S60's have it which is obviously not true since my s30 has fm...
21:47:14jhMikeSs/to real chips id/no real chip id/
21:47:37n1syes, should be simple on the si4700
21:47:53n1sbluebrother: nice :)
21:48:03jhMikeSMy s30 has FM as well unless toffe82 swapped a board from an s60. Then again, it could simple be a matter of firmware.
21:48:48jhMikeSThen again, retailos does pick up the chip. So, /me confused now.
21:48:57bertrikhmm, the display goes blank when I try the fm code on the clip...
21:49:01n1syeah, mine works in the OF too
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21:49:11bluebrotherI've closed the task as of now. If someone spots it again ... well, then someone(tm) needs to investigate about it again ;-)
21:49:31jhMikeSevery defunct board toffe82 sent me also has an fm chip on it
21:50:02*n1s implements detection for completeness
21:51:24jhMikeSn1s: you said scanning was a problem here?
21:52:26funmanbertrik: weird
21:52:33Jaykay_bluebrother: did you mean fs7405?
21:52:44n1syes, the way it is now the radio code thinks every frequency is a valid station, the si4700 has very nice built in scanning but the rockbox code would need a bit of a rework to use that afaics :/
21:53:41jhMikeSthe philips chip has built in scanning as well so more than one could use such a change. I don't know if it's worth it for that or not.
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21:54:11jhMikeSto clarify, if the philips scanning works well or not
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21:55:13Unhelpfuln1s: i've found the same, wiki says S60 only, but mine which was repaired via new motherboard from S30 has FM
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21:58:40soapUnhelpful, perhaps then you should post in the Unsupported Build thread then a detailed description of what the patch does, how you expect it will work for end-users, known issues (artifacts?), and a list of "wants" from testers as far as reporting goes.
21:59:10soapAlso issue a challenge - kisses (or some other reward) to successful bug reports.
21:59:22Unhelpful"you win one internet" ;)
21:59:41_Auron_hmm I wonder when I'll get my sansa..
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22:00:05soapAnd (normally against the rules, but this is _testing_ not normal unsupported crap) cross post a call for testers in the main forum. We'll sticky the call for testers.
22:00:07_Auron_it's sunday :/ no mail today
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22:00:47bluebrotherJaykay_: no, I was referring to FS #9133
22:01:01Unhelpfuli'll do that after i get the latest builds up
22:01:10Lloreandionoea: Does the patch you've committed remove all the WPS tags it makes redundant (or at least simplify maybe simplify their code down in some way)?
22:01:11Jaykay_then is still duggest closing of fs 7405
22:01:16Jaykay_suggest
22:02:18bertrikyuk, display still goes off if I completely disable any fm i2c reading/writing/initialisation, maybe something in config-clip.h
22:03:08funmanbertrik: I noticed my display goes off sometimes..
22:03:20funmanbut it does so in a very unreliable way
22:03:55bertrikwhat I changed in config-clip.h is add #define CONFIG_TUNER SI4700 but I also had to add INPUT_SRC_CAPS
22:03:58funmanand since r19353 (I removed setting B6 to 1)
22:04:56funmanperhaps as3514.c driver modifies a current used for LCD ?
22:05:34bertrikeven with contrast at 0, the clip display is still visible
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22:07:01funmandoes it go off instantly at boot, or at random times?
22:07:41bertrikfunman, reverting r19353 worked
22:08:58funmanthen go on, sorry for that bad 'cleaning' - i wonder what is this pin for and why display still worked (sometimes)
22:09:06jhMikeSn1s: I think you forgot to give SI4700 an actual value in config.h
22:09:49jhMikeSoh, it's been added to SVN secretly already :)
22:10:15n1syes :)
22:10:18funmanI don't get commit mails :/
22:15:26bertrikok, display works, init code is active, I see an FM Radio menu, but entering it just gives me an empty screen (with status bar), keys still wake up the display/buttonlight, but I can't exit the FM Radio menu
22:16:01funmanperhaps there is no keymap yet?
22:16:14funmanI saw a keymap in n1s' patch
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22:18:25gevaertsI was wondering about what happens when a non-AA-user switches from a wps without AA to a wps with AA. Will that stop and rebuffer as well>
22:18:29gevaerts?
22:18:58rashergevaerts: I guess there's no way around that if we go the stop-and-rebuffer route
22:19:24*gevaerts thinks out loud
22:19:40rasherI still think it's the best solution
22:20:08gevaertsWhat if a non-AA wps gets the AA-on-buffer datastructures as well if AA is detected?
22:21:12gevaertsrasher: well, I'm not someone who switches WPSes all the time, and if I do I'm not actively listening to things anyway, so I don't mind the stop-and-rebuffer.
22:21:35Lloreangevaerts: I'm not sure I get your last what-if there?
22:21:52LloreanDo you mean "what would be the result if we did this" or "what happens if the code accidentally does this"?
22:22:00gevaertsLlorean: the first one
22:22:17n1sgevaerts: how would you know which size AA to buffer?
22:22:30rashergevaerts: Ah, you mean that non-AA wps could check for AA even if it's not used (and just cache something like "AA present")? That seems a bit nasty
22:22:47rasherI don't know how expensive *checking* for AA is though
22:23:03gevaertsrasher: it amounts to that, yes. I agree that it may be nasty, which is why this isn't a real proposal yet
22:23:29n1sgevaerts: i think a rebuffer is fine, it is a pretty uncommon thing to do i think
22:23:34gevaertsn1s: you don't actually buffer any AA, just a marker saying that AA exists
22:23:46n1sah, i misunderstood
22:24:06n1sbut what is the gain from that? you would still ned to rebuffer then
22:24:16n1ss/ned/need/
22:24:22rashern1s: but not if the user doesn't use/have AA at all
22:24:55Lloreann1s: The advantage would be if you switch from a no-AA WPS to an AA WPS, but don't actually HAVE AA, you don't get the rebuffer.
22:25:07LloreanThis is somewhat handy, I suppose, since the default WPS is AA.
22:25:20n1sso you would save a rebuffer if a user who don't have AA switches from a nonAA wps to an AAwps while playing, seems like a small gain to me
22:25:54rasherYes, I'm not sure it's worth it. Plus you'd add extra work when buffering even if you're not using an AA wps
22:26:03rasherThat work might be minor though
22:26:09*n1s has not switched wps once since the new default got in :)
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22:27:03LloreanWell, whether or not this happens eventually, I don't think it's a necessity anyway
22:27:05gevaertsI'm just thinking about this because IIUC it's the only place where a non-AA user will see a difference.
22:27:21kugelDoesn't the disk spin up anyway on wps change (since you need to read it in)? I suppose that's a good situation to just rebuffer anyway
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22:27:36Lloreankugel: A full rebuffer can be quite slow on some targets.
22:27:44rasherkugel: we're stopping playback as well though, not just filling up the buffer
22:27:59gevaertsI can imagine that people who switch WPSs often are also the ones who are likely to use AA, so my idea may not actually benefit any real people
22:28:39kugelso it's more about: Don't bug non-AA users with that minor stop?
22:28:47Lloreangevaerts: I think the most likely people it will benefit are people it benefits once.
22:28:50Unhelpfuli switch WPS when i like one better than what i've been using. or when i'm testing a patch to handle "things that silly people do" ;)
22:28:56rasherkugel: It's exactly about that
22:29:23Lloreankugel: The idea is, to an extent, "the people who aren't going to use the feature generally shouldn't pay a price for the addition of the feature, if at all possible"
22:29:39rashers/possible/reasonable/, I'd say
22:29:50LloreanFair enough
22:30:03rasherBecause this is quite some work, just to avoid that small annoyance
22:30:21Unhelpfulhow hard is coding a walk over the currently buffered tracks going to be, and how hard is searching for album art for each going to be?
22:30:37rasherUnhelpful: you probably want to ask Nico_P, afaik
22:31:16Unhelpfulit sounds like that's what we'd need to do. the disk is probably spun up from the wps file load, so we only need to worry about the time spent on the actual search for the AA.
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22:32:10funmanbertrik: by the way no need to clear the bits in GPIOB_AFSEL , none are used for DBOP
22:32:12Unhelpfuli would say that's something that can be tackled later, like converting other plugins to use resize-on-load, but it might be ugly enough that nobody ever wants to work on it.
22:33:05LloreanUnhelpful: It's probably not greatly important, and possibly not even wanted really.
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22:34:05ZagorI still say don't write a special code for _maybe_ avioding a rebuffering in some rare situations. rebuffer is not going to be a nuisance.
22:34:21Zagorskip first 'a'
22:34:51Zagorkeep it simple
22:35:07gevaertsActually, maybe assuming that a non-AA wps has 0x0 AA can make other code simpler? Or maybe I'm just talking nonsense of course
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22:36:44kugelI don't think that will make things easier. If assuming 0x0 AA means assuming AA, you'll have to special-case conditionals on AA for that 0x0 case
22:37:01gevaertsIf there really are people for who this is a real problem, it can easily be worked around by adding an AA tag to the no-AA wps
22:37:32rasherkugel: if you have 0x0 AA, the WPS by definition won't have any AA tags
22:37:47bertrikfunman, I copied the keymap from the c200. Holding long select on the FM radio entry makes me enter the radio menu, but doing anything that accesses the hardware seems to freeze it up. Buttons still activate the display though.
22:38:12bertrikThere is an unbounded loop in si4700_tune, maybe that's giving me trouble
22:38:59kugelrasher: I dont understand. I mean wps's can e.g. have different layouts depending on AA (with conditional viewports etc).
22:39:20rasherkugel: But the 0x0 AA will only be there if the wps *doesn't* use AA at all
22:39:21funmanbertrik: probable, didn't n1s say a separate clock needed to be activated for seeking?
22:39:45funmansince the loop sleeps, it gives back control to other threads (button/display..)
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22:39:46kugelah ok, I got that wrong then
22:40:08bertrikhmm, yes, I've seen in the OF of the clip that it uses the oscillator of the fm chip itself
22:40:10Unhelpfulrasher: then we're searching for AA on buffer even if the current WPS doesn't want it, right?
22:40:11LloreanI'm not sure what the 0x0 AA solves.
22:40:29Unhelpfulis that better or worse than rebuffering if it might not be needed?
22:40:34LloreanWouldn't that mean "any WPS with non 0x0AA requires a rescan" which is the same case as no AA -> AA without AA on disk?
22:40:37bertrikfunman, thanks for the hint, seems to make sense
22:40:39rasherLlorean: It solves the "rebuffer when switching from non-AA to AA wps if the user doesn't use AA"
22:40:46Lloreanrasher: I guess I don't see how.
22:40:55UnhelpfulLlorean: it reduces finding out if buffered tracks have AA to just looking at their buffered metadata
22:41:14rasherLlorean: The buffer will then clearly tell that the user doesn't have AA, even if he's not using a WPS that has AA
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22:41:34rasherI firmly think this isn't worth it
22:41:44LloreanAh
22:41:50LloreanAnd yeah, I'm pretty sure it isn't worth it.
22:43:09bertrikfunman, yay, seems to help, it no longer hangs. Now I'll enable the internal oscillator and see what happens
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22:44:30LloreanIs the Rockbox ML up and running?
22:45:08rasherI got the two FS mails on -dev earlier
22:45:17*gevaerts wonders if it's WPS-syntactically possible to use two (or more) AA sizes in a WPS using conditionals, so you could e.g. make the AA bigger for longer tracks
22:45:28Lloreanrasher: I tried to send something to -dev about 40 minutes ago, but don't see it in the archive.
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22:45:48rasherLlorean: Maybe it's still chewing on the incoming mailqueue
22:45:53LloreanMust be.
22:45:57Unhelpfulgevaerts: i don't think so, there's a tag to load and a tag to display, and i'm pretty sure only one load tag is stored in the wps data
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22:46:44gevaertsUnhelpful: good. That means there won't be bug reports about this not working properly then
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22:47:55ZagorLlorean: yeah the mail server has a massive backlog to go through
22:48:01Zagor~10k messages
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22:49:07*rasher watches half of them be mails about the website not working
22:49:45funman10k messages in 2 days??
22:49:56Zagorthe server handles more than rockbox
22:50:15Zagorand I expect most of it is spam
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23:06:19*gevaerts thinks that while making it possible to use this pictureflow thing realtime while listening to music may be hard, it should be reasonably easy to make it output playlists
23:07:25funmanpixelma: on the clip, cabbiev2 appears to have one unused line below album name and track number/elapsed time; couldn't we just push track/artist/album name by 2 pixels down?
23:07:36Unhelpfulgevaerts: the main problem is that it grabs audio buffer. i think i can reduce that to using plugin_get_buffer, or possibly a static buffer of the right size, with the new scaler.
23:07:49rashergevaerts: FS #8295 tries to do something with it
23:08:18Unhelpfulok, *my* main problem with it, which may be biased by my already having an idea what to do about it.
23:08:22funmanThere doesn't seem to be a way to build a different wps based on the model. You pointed me to h100/h300 but I believe they are differenced by the size of the main screen, while they use the same remote screen resolution
23:08:24Zagordionoea: red build since your commit
23:08:31pixelmafunman: not as long as the same WPS is used on the Iriver remotes with a larger font where there is no empty line...
23:09:05funmanoh ok, I didn't think about the font
23:09:12gevaertsAlso random yellow builds
23:09:20pixelmafunman: looks like this there http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9276?getfile=17276
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23:11:36bertrikfunman, can't get scanning to work right now, but at least I implemented the RADIO_PRESENT function by checking the device id and that seems to work fine so far
23:12:01funmanyou still have 49 minutes left ;)
23:13:04bertrikI want to do something else with those minutes, I think I'll make a patch of what I have now and post it on the tracker
23:13:05funmanI think wpsbuild.pl should look for a target specific wps (named xx.reso.target.wps and fallback to xx.reso.wps)
23:13:24Nico_PUnhelpful: pf doesn't actually grab the audio buffer.it uses whatever part of it is available
23:13:25funmanbertrik: thanks for the FM work
23:13:34Lloreangevaerts: I'm not sure if the idea is to output "playlists" so much as just "database search results." I think the goal is to simply be able to use it as a database search filter like any other, so you could place it arbitrarily within a database series of searches.
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23:14:05UnhelpfulNico_P: it fails during playback for me. does it need that buffer for anything other than loading and scaling? i couldn't see that it does.
23:14:55gevaertsLlorean: maybe, but now it does *nothing*, which I (as an AA non-user) think is a pity
23:14:58Nico_Pthat's because the buffer is full, but if it isn't (e.g. with a small playlist), it will work OK. the images are stored there
23:16:07Lloreangevaerts: Another option is to remember that it's named "picture" flow rather than "album" flow, and let it actually display a local folder of images instead of album covers, if one is present.
23:16:09Llorean:-P
23:16:45gevaertsLlorean: That would be nice as well :)
23:17:45UnhelpfulNico_P: i'm trying to understand the code now. it looks to me like only cache creation actually uses any audio buffer, and i think we can wean that off of audio buffer use if resize-on-load goes in
23:18:28Unhelpfuldoes PF use greylib on 2-bit targets? :/
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23:19:19pixelmapf is not activated on greyscale targets yet at all (although they support WPS album art)
23:20:44Unhelpfulok, the holdup i have for quickly porting pf cache build to resize-on-load mostly comes down to the fact that it's using a built-in bitmap for the "no cover found" image, and right now, we can't scale those.
23:21:19Nico_PUnhelpful: it looks like you're right about it using the audio buffer only for the cache creation
23:21:24Unhelpfulit needs an in-memory native-bitmap "loader" to fix that, presumably in pluginlib, since nothing in core wwould want it right now
23:21:55Unhelpfuland also for the scaler itself to be exposed via plugin API, and not just the BMP loader
23:22:20*jhMikeS really wonders how to name multichip codec drivers so as not to be confusing. wm8975 and wm8985 are nearly identical.
23:22:26Nico_PWould it be easier if the "no cover" pic was a bitmap on disk?
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23:23:03Nico_PjhMikeS: wm89x5? wm89xx?
23:23:55UnhelpfulNico_P: less work to implement, definitely. at some point we're going to want other frontends for the scaler, and other scalers, possibly some of them in pluginlib
23:23:56jhMikeSNico_P: I'm trying to think how to merge drivers by chip class (ADC/no ADC and largely register compatible).
23:25:49Unhelpfulhow hard would installing it as an on-disk file be?
23:26:15Nico_PUnhelpful: not too hard I think
23:26:19jhMikeSI think 8975 is more like an 8758 with ADC
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23:26:57Unhelpfulby "other frontends" my idea of useful ones is more along the lines of jpeg or png loaders. i don't see many real uses for scaling a built-in bitmap
23:26:58pixelmathings that annoy me about pf: if no AA is present, it just exists after the initial "Preparing album art" with a "Plugin returned error" splash which is not of much use; it uses PLA and there's a conflict in at least the c200 keymap which leads to not being able to scroll down the track list; it doesn't "clear buffer" correctly which leads to weird effects if not all your albums have cover art and content changes (theres a FS entry for this)
23:28:02jhMikeSor perhaps more like 8751. this is confusing. driver should respect differences in any case.
23:28:19pixelmaone thing I'm not sure if it's fixed, so put it at the end of the list: pf hangs when you enter it without enabling the database first
23:28:20Nico_PI'm doubtful about the use of the cover cache actually... it makes the initial startup super slow because of disk access and I'm not sure there is a real benefit
23:29:11Nico_Pthe disk is the scarce resource and I'm not sure the cache is saving it
23:30:24UnhelpfulNico_P: it's probably faster than the scaler.
23:31:47Nico_Pmaybe, but I'm not completely convinced. I think it needs a closer look
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23:33:48Unhelpfulit depends a lot on sizes. the scaler runs at something like 6 multiplies per output pixel when upscaling, and an add per input pixel, plus 8 multiplies per output pixel, when downscaling
23:33:57rasherpixelma: It does say "no album art found" if there's no AA, but other splashes appear shortly after
23:34:15Unhelpfulthat's trying to remember the code in my head without looking at the src, though
23:34:16rasherI think it should be able to run, even if no AA is found, really.
23:36:01pixelmaI would have expected that it runs and just show all albums with the "no album art" image theb
23:36:06pixelmathen too
23:36:35Unhelpfulthat seems sensible, if somewhat useless
23:36:58rasherUnhelpful: you can still browse your albums and tracklists
23:37:05rasher(or not, as it happens)
23:37:35Unhelpfulyes, but with only one on-screen at a time, and no ability to do much with them
23:37:53pixelmawell, not much different than what already happens if you have some covers
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23:38:37bluebrotherpixelma: is there a special reason why the platform file for h100 series is called h1xx instead of h100 like for h300 etc?
23:38:40Unhelpfultrue, though less "ooooo eyecandy"
23:39:36pixelmabluebrother: wondered about this too and already thought about renaming when doing the keymap-* ones but though that this should be another commit
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23:40:20bluebrotherI tried that locally already ... haven't found any issues yet.
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23:49:17teumesmohello, I have rockbox on 2 e280 installed at different time, but both have same version of rockbox
23:49:40teumesmoyet the select button, in the middle of wheel behaves differently on each
23:50:18Unhelpfulmaybe look in the system->rockbox info, see if they're truly the same?
23:50:28teumesmoon one of them, it returns back to file list, and other the menu for dealing with files
23:51:10bluebrotherwhat's the difference between "menu dealing with files" and "file list"?
23:51:26teumesmodelete file, rename file, etc..
23:52:04teumesmowhat is meant by file list is the file browser
23:52:12bluebrotherthat's the context menu on a file. You sure you aren't holding the select button too long?
23:53:13teumesmoI tried many times
23:53:19teumesmoit drives me crazy
23:53:51teumesmoI have to press power to return to main menu, and go to file browser again
23:54:12bertrikI would like "AMS Sansa" as an option in "Player Type" in flyspray
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23:58:48teumesmosuppose it were a e280R, would it behave differently?
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