| 00:00:19 | mcuelenaere | usb_core_enable_driver()* |
| 00:01:25 | gevaerts | usb_drv_recv() tells the controller to start expecting data, so nothing should be received yet (i.e. the device should be NAKing packets coming from the host until then) |
| 00:01:40 | mcuelenaere | ok good |
| 00:02:18 | mcuelenaere | what should it do when it's called like this? usb_drv_recv(0, NULL, 0) |
| 00:02:31 | mcuelenaere | so a NULL pointer with size 0 at EP_CONTROL |
| 00:04:07 | gevaerts | I'd say "ack a control transaction", but I guess you want more detail... |
| 00:05:17 | mcuelenaere | :) |
| 00:05:20 | bertrik | Zagor, maybe the code on the bottom of the clip is a clue regarding v1/v2 too. My v1 starts with BB, the v2 in the abi thread starts with BH |
| 00:05:33 | mcuelenaere | but ack a control transaction by using a usb_drv_recv() call, that sounds confusing to me |
| 00:05:42 | mcuelenaere | shouldn't you be using a usb_drv_send() call then? |
| 00:05:47 | mcuelenaere | (which gets used in the code) |
| 00:05:49 | Zagor | bertrik: mine starts with BE |
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| 00:07:59 | mcuelenaere | hmm I'm not sure if the controller is able to NACK a control packet :/ |
| 00:08:06 | mcuelenaere | eh a packet in general |
| 00:08:37 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: what actually happens is that the host sends a SETUP packet (which contains information about what the control transfer is about), followed by the device sending an IN packet. If that IN packet is empty, (i.e. you don't send data back), you use usb_drv_send(0,0,0). |
| 00:08:42 | mcuelenaere | ah no I misread what you said, ignore that last sentence |
| 00:09:12 | linuxstb | Torne: That seems odd - I'm sure I remember much more than a 400ms improvement (i.e. 4 or 5 seconds) when replacing "retailos+RB bootloader" with just the RB bootloader. |
| 00:09:21 | gevaerts | If on the other hand you do send back data, the host then sends an empty OUT packet to finish the control transaction. You need to receive that with usb_drv_recv(0,0,0) |
| 00:10:06 | mcuelenaere | you mean the device needs to acknowledge it (as there's nothing to receive)? |
| 00:10:16 | mcuelenaere | if so, that's already done in the EP0_handler() |
| 00:10:40 | gevaerts | Are you sure? This is not the low-level ACK |
| 00:12:22 | mcuelenaere | packets at EP0 consists of setup and data stages, right? I meant it acknowledged the DATA stage |
| 00:12:24 | Torne | linuxstb: i'm doing it over now with multiple timings, trying to account for reactions |
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| 00:12:47 | mcuelenaere | the datasheet describes it as: ServicedOutPktRdy: The CPU writes a 1 to this bit to clear the OutPktRdy bit. It is cleared automatically. |
| 00:12:57 | linuxstb | Torne: How long is your total boot time? |
| 00:13:20 | Torne | linuxstb: from hitting menu to rockbox bringing up the menu is 10.3 seconds with retail+bootloader |
| 00:13:30 | * | gevaerts decides to clear up some terminology first :) |
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| 00:13:52 | * | mcuelenaere hates the USB spec IN/OUT terminology |
| 00:13:59 | mcuelenaere | I always get confused between the two |
| 00:14:11 | Torne | with just the loader in osos, it's 9 seconds |
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| 00:14:34 | gevaerts | At the lowest level, you have "packets", which come in several kinds, "IN", "OUT", "DATA0 |
| 00:14:46 | Torne | with my patch it's 8.9 |
| 00:14:50 | mcuelenaere | you mean in general, or just for EP0? |
| 00:14:53 | gevaerts | ", "DATA1", "ACK, "NAK", "SETUP" and "PING" IIRC |
| 00:14:54 | linuxstb | Torne: Which ipod do you have? |
| 00:14:54 | Torne | based on five times for each averaged |
| 00:14:57 | gevaerts | in general |
| 00:15:01 | mcuelenaere | ok |
| 00:15:01 | Torne | ipod video 80gb |
| 00:15:03 | Torne | so, 64mb ram |
| 00:15:15 | Torne | and a 7.4mb retailos, which i think is the largest |
| 00:15:23 | mcuelenaere | I presume the usb controller handles most of them automatically |
| 00:15:31 | gevaerts | A series of these packets is a transaction. You have IN, OUT and SETUP transactions (SETUP only for control) |
| 00:15:33 | Torne | also the large sectors on the disk.. |
| 00:15:50 | Torne | anyway, yeah. i suspect my patchis not worth it after all |
| 00:15:57 | Torne | and i was suffering from poor reactions and confirmation bias |
| 00:16:01 | gevaerts | I would expect controllers to work at transaction or higher level |
| 00:16:09 | Torne | but neither way is as much of an improvement as 5 seconds |
| 00:16:12 | gevaerts | A group of transactions is a transfer |
| 00:16:18 | Torne | 1.5 at most |
| 00:16:25 | Zagor | gevaerts: what do I need to do to make my target run try_reboot() on usb connect? I thought that was the default in SVN but that doesn't seem to be the case? |
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| 00:17:43 | peter__b | hi all |
| 00:17:45 | linuxstb | Torne: It must depend on the type of ipod - as I said, using "-ef bootloader.ipod" gave a very noticable improvement on my Photo. I'm sure others have reported the same on other ipods. |
| 00:17:51 | linuxstb | I mean -wf |
| 00:18:26 | gevaerts | Zagor: actually, the way the code works now, it first enumerates and then reboots when it knows that this isn't just a charger, so you need a USB driver... |
| 00:18:27 | Torne | linuxstb: hm. someone else has posted on the patch and said it works |
| 00:18:44 | Torne | linuxstb: it would be interesting to see if anyone else is willing to time it carefully :) |
| 00:18:52 | Zagor | gevaerts: ugh. ok. |
| 00:18:57 | Torne | they only said it works, though, not how much of an improvement it was |
| 00:19:16 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: how did you handle these empty packets yesterday? |
| 00:19:19 | peter__b | can someone tell me if the lcd_* mehtods in the plugin api are threadsafe ? |
| 00:19:25 | linuxstb | Torne: That's dreamlayers - the person who started the forum thread |
| 00:19:27 | Torne | linuxstb: i'm sure it was very easily noticable the first time i try it |
| 00:19:38 | Torne | but i can't reproduce that |
| 00:19:43 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: you mean the usb_drv_recv(0,0,0) ones? |
| 00:19:46 | gevaerts | yes |
| 00:19:55 | mcuelenaere | I ignored them (still do) |
| 00:20:01 | mcuelenaere | not the usb_drv_send(0,0,0) |
| 00:20:35 | gevaerts | OK. That means they are handled by the controller, or you wouldn't have gotten anywhere |
| 00:21:03 | gevaerts | So ignoring them is probably the right thing to do (although probably also the right place to document why :) |
| 00:22:03 | mcuelenaere | will do :) |
| 00:22:11 | mcuelenaere | @documenting |
| 00:23:28 | mcuelenaere | I still wonder though how come when I enable the USB serial driver I don't get a USB driver request popup but an unrecognized USB device |
| 00:23:39 | mcuelenaere | which doesn't appear when using the USB charger only driver |
| 00:24:08 | mcuelenaere | so I think it's a related issue like yesterday, meaning something in the USB EP_CONTROL transfers is set wrong |
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| 00:24:47 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: did you get those last lines? |
| 00:25:15 | gevaerts | Not realtime, but I do have the website log open :) |
| 00:25:29 | Torne | linuxstb: have put a comment on the flyspray entry with my timing results and asked if anyone else is interested in trying it :) |
| 00:25:40 | * | gevaerts doesn't always understand these controllers. The ARC controller works at transfer level in general but you need to handle these control pseudo-ACKs yourself, while other controllers that work at a lower transaction level do that for you... |
| 00:25:43 | mcuelenaere | ok :) another question, does usb_drv_send() need to be a blocking call? |
| 00:26:16 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I could send you the USB controller datasheet if you want it.. |
| 00:26:27 | mcuelenaere | not that it's THAT helpfull.. |
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| 00:27:09 | gevaerts | Some code is going to rely on usb_drv_send() being blocking, yes. |
| 00:27:54 | gevaerts | Although, when I look at it, on non-0 endpoints all callers actually use usb_drv_send_nonblocking()... |
| 00:28:31 | * | gevaerts suddenly knows what's wrong with that ptp code on the forums... |
| 00:28:45 | mcuelenaere | the current codeflow makes it kinda asynchronous, so I'll need to manually check and yield() till the transfer gets done |
| 00:29:56 | Torne | linuxstb: i wonder if portalplayer has any kind of performance counter registers.. that would be a better way to time it :) |
| 00:30:03 | RockRabbit | Gartral - Sorry - had to go answer the door. I have converted from flac because so few of the command line compression apps support it. |
| 00:30:09 | Torne | linuxstb: i doubt it but later ARMs do |
| 00:30:12 | linuxstb | Torne: Yes, there's a microsecond timer register. |
| 00:30:22 | Torne | initialised at poweron? |
| 00:30:37 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: if it's for non-control endpoints, don't worry too much. They |
| 00:30:41 | gevaerts | 're all asynchronous |
| 00:30:44 | Torne | (or by the rom, at least) |
| 00:30:52 | linuxstb | Torne: Yes. It's referred to by the USEC_TIMER macro in Rockbox - i.e. "int now = USEC_TIMER;" |
| 00:31:31 | Torne | hmm |
| 00:31:50 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: is usb_drv_request_endpoint() get used heavily? (currently it's not implemented) |
| 00:32:28 | gevaerts | not heavily, but once per needed endpoint. Not having it will cause trouble |
| 00:32:57 | mcuelenaere | that could be it (I couldn't see the call for it as there were too many other logf()'s) |
| 00:33:14 | mcuelenaere | it's only there for requesting BULK endpoints, right? |
| 00:33:18 | Torne | linuxstb: if i hacked rockbox's main to store that right at the beginning and display it in the debug menu, or similar, that would be a much better way to time it |
| 00:33:38 | gevaerts | BULK only for now, until we actually have code that wants interrupt or isochronous :) |
| 00:33:57 | linuxstb | Torne: Or maybe just display it in the bootloader - before the branch to 0x0 |
| 00:34:24 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: this controller doesn't support isochronous, only interrupt and bulk :) |
| 00:34:33 | mcuelenaere | so do I just return eg (1|USB_DIR_OUT) ? |
| 00:34:36 | Torne | linuxstb: then have it fatal? |
| 00:35:02 | linuxstb | Torne: e.g. something like: "verbose = true; printf("%d",USEC_TIMER); sleep(5*HZ);" <- to sleep 5 seconds, then continue |
| 00:35:13 | Torne | ok, will try that :) |
| 00:35:21 | gevaerts | That would work. It all depends on the controller |
| 00:35:30 | mcuelenaere | ok that did the trick :) |
| 00:35:30 | Torne | that should be far better than 'time read' and me hitting enter :) |
| 00:35:59 | mcuelenaere | so is there any setup guide/tutorial to do usb serial on Windows? |
| 00:36:27 | mcuelenaere | that way I can test non-EP_CONTROL transfers |
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| 00:36:38 | mcuelenaere | or never mind, I'll use a Linux VM |
| 00:37:30 | gevaerts | Just use storage. You can tell it to use a ramdisk for test purposes by setting a define in usb_storage.c |
| 00:38:39 | mcuelenaere | that's weird, for some reason it identifies as a Creative Zen Removable Disk storage device |
| 00:38:44 | mcuelenaere | probably something weird with VMWare |
| 00:39:51 | gevaerts | What USB IDs did you use? |
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| 00:41:00 | mcuelenaere | hmm I probably did a copy-paste job from the config-creativezvm.h |
| 00:43:18 | gartral | just got off the phone with my brother, he says his v1 clips have serials starting with HA and HH |
| 00:44:01 | Torne | linuxstb: ahh, i think i have the source of the problem :) |
| 00:44:24 | Torne | linuxstb: the time is *massively* different depending if you reboot with menu+select, or shut down in rockbox then boot with menu, or reboot from emergency disk mode |
| 00:44:35 | bertrik | gartral, so it doesn't look like a useful indicator |
| 00:44:37 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: I'd really recommend testing with #define USB_USE_RAMDISK in usb_storage.c. That code is tested a lot more than serial |
| 00:44:47 | Torne | linuxstb: shutting down then booting with menu takes 6.2 secs, but rebooting with menu+select takes 8.1 |
| 00:44:58 | mcuelenaere | ok, but last time I enabled that I got some compile errors |
| 00:45:07 | mcuelenaere | it'll probably need some customisation |
| 00:45:21 | mcuelenaere | (and I really want to test logf over USB sometime ;) ) |
| 00:46:11 | linuxstb | Torne: Yes, I would expect that. I always tested from power off. |
| 00:46:18 | gevaerts | You may have to adapt usb_storage_init_connection() a bit |
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| 00:46:35 | Torne | linuxstb: i only noticed because the apple rom did that thing it does where it doesn't boot and you have to reboot :) |
| 00:46:42 | linuxstb | Torne: Or rather, I wouldn't have expected menu+select to take longer... |
| 00:46:43 | mcuelenaere | btw has usb_storage been tested with BOOTLOADER defined? |
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| 00:46:54 | gevaerts | gigabeat S does that, yes |
| 00:46:56 | Torne | linuxstb: that's rebooting from the apple rom having crashed, rather than from insdie rockbox |
| 00:47:26 | Torne | linuxstb: so, er, yeah. i'll ignore all those and just do shutdown -> boot |
| 00:48:57 | mcuelenaere | I get some 'warning: suggest parentheses around arithmetic in operand of |' warnings in usb_storage.c (MIPSel uses a more recent GCC version) |
| 00:49:37 | gartral | why does *menu* go back in pictureflow, and the "rewind" key goes back everywhere else? |
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| 00:53:39 | lilmackie | hey all, i'm back with another problem |
| 00:54:03 | lilmackie | I installed rockbox with no problems at all, new themes and stuff, and i tested it by puttin on some music |
| 00:54:27 | lilmackie | everything went fine, and i proceeded to put more music on.... but now that i have it's not showing the second batch |
| 00:54:28 | lilmackie | help? |
| 00:54:42 | Llorean | Did you update the database? |
| 00:54:58 | lilmackie | how do i update it? |
| 00:55:04 | lilmackie | the first time it asked me to update it and i said ok |
| 00:55:10 | lilmackie | now it's not giving me the option |
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| 00:56:16 | Llorean | lilmackie: How to update manually, and how to turn on auto-update, should both be covered in the manual. |
| 00:57:14 | lilmackie | sorry, of course i should have checked. |
| 00:57:15 | lilmackie | let me go look now |
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| 01:00:43 | lilmackie | Llorean do you recommend that i select the auto update feature? |
| 01:00:49 | lilmackie | or should i just update now, as i see fit? |
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| 01:03:15 | Llorean | lilmackie: It's more or less up to you. Auto update is *supposed* to work pretty well, but it has been glitchy for some. I don't use database personally |
| 01:04:48 | Torne | aha, that's what i forgot: i was going to write a patch to have update done on boot if a certain file exists, so my auto syncing script can create it :) |
| 01:04:57 | Torne | totally forgot bout it till now |
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| 01:09:15 | lilmackie | you don't use database? then what do you use rockbox for? |
| 01:09:19 | * | lilmackie 's eye twitches |
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| 01:09:36 | * | linuxstb guesses Llorean only plays Doom |
| 01:09:55 | Llorean | lilmackie: I use it to play music. |
| 01:10:02 | Llorean | I just have a nice, tidy file tree. |
| 01:10:03 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, have you got your wps-statusbar patch somewhere I can have a look at? |
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| 01:13:32 | linuxstb | JdGordon: This is the only version I can find - linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/wps_statusbar-v0.1.diff">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/wps_statusbar-v0.1.diff |
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| 01:15:19 | lilmackie | file tree? |
| 01:15:37 | * | gartral syncs all his music in folder tree style, following a [genre]/[artist]/[album]/[file].[ext] |
| 01:15:44 | gartral | format |
| 01:15:56 | * | lilmackie is uber confused |
| 01:15:58 | linuxstb | lilmackie: What you see in the "Files" menu in Rockbox.... |
| 01:16:10 | lilmackie | oooooooooooh |
| 01:16:19 | lilmackie | see you have to explain things to me :P |
| 01:16:32 | lilmackie | i'm a nerdy girl but i have to pick things up first before i master them. |
| 01:16:45 | kugel | lucent, keanu: new patch at FS #9645 |
| 01:17:18 | keanu | k |
| 01:17:27 | lilmackie | on that note |
| 01:17:29 | lilmackie | thanks guys ^_^ |
| 01:18:03 | Torne | linuxstb: ok, that's much less variable timings: retail+loader takes 6.1s, loader takes 4.3s, rockbox+loader (my patch) takes 4.0s |
| 01:18:57 | gartral | 14.4 seconds? |
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| 01:19:12 | Torne | gartral: no, average for each different boot method |
| 01:19:38 | Torne | i.e. you can save about two seconds by not loading retailos into ram at boot |
| 01:19:43 | gartral | ohh, ok, sorry, im trying o keep up with more than i can handle |
| 01:20:01 | Torne | and my patched loader method might be a little faster than just using the loader on its own |
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| 01:20:04 | Torne | but not by a lot :) |
| 01:21:55 | gartral | any speedup is an improvment in my eyes, no matter where, or what it is |
| 01:22:23 | Torne | gartral: yah, but the point is you don't need to change the code at all to get most of the improvement |
| 01:22:39 | linuxstb | Or do anything special when you update Rockbox... |
| 01:22:47 | Torne | the tiny extra benefit from my patch, even if it's consistent on different models, is probably not worth the effort |
| 01:23:21 | Torne | i guess it's the time it takes rockbox to go look for the file on disk |
| 01:23:33 | Torne | and maybe the apple rom is a little faster at accessing the drive? |
| 01:24:14 | linuxstb | The apple rom has it easy - it just needs to read consecutive sectors from a known offset on the disk. Rockbox deals with the FAT filesystem. |
| 01:24:21 | Torne | indeed |
| 01:26:38 | JdGordon | linuxstb: thanks |
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| 01:28:00 | Torne | linuxstb: i guess wait and see what anyone else reports :) |
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| 01:28:21 | gartral | i think this is a one-off bug, but ill bring too the table, anyway, i was fumbling with my e250, and i accidentally held the menu key and pressed the play key from main menu, too get too the WPS, but it rendered the MM over the WPS and the weird thing is, im unable to reproduce it.... |
| 01:31:09 | linuxstb | Torne: Yes. There's one other test which could be interesting - loading apple_os.ipod from a file (with only loader in the firmware partition). |
| 01:32:20 | Torne | linuxstb: compared to booting it from an osos with retail+loader? |
| 01:32:29 | linuxstb | Torne: Yes. |
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| 01:32:49 | Torne | that might show up the difference better as it's much bigger |
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| 01:33:41 | Torne | but i think my ipod is gettign tired of being rebooted for now |
| 01:33:42 | Torne | :) |
| 01:33:50 | Torne | and my other half is looking bored :) |
| 01:33:53 | gartral | lol |
| 01:34:01 | Torne | so i'll try that another time, and leave it here for now |
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| 01:34:13 | Torne | thanks for the sounding board and assistance here! |
| 01:34:19 | Torne | science is clearly the approach |
| 01:35:07 | * | gartral plays clutch - subtle hustle |
| 01:37:58 | Torne | seeya folks :) |
| 01:38:07 | Torne | rockbox is really fun to hack on |
| 01:38:22 | Torne | so i expect i shall be around more :) |
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| 02:04:00 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts (logs): I get this in a Linux VM over Windows: http://pastebin.com/m6724bcb0 |
| 02:06:13 | mcuelenaere | I think it's due to a bad EP>0 implementation in my code |
| 02:07:47 | kugel | keanu: did you test it or still busy? |
| 02:07:58 | keanu | still busy =/ |
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| 02:33:04 | JdGordon | kugel: did you play with that patch? |
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| 02:51:21 | kugel | JdGordon: yours? |
| 02:51:57 | kugel | I gave it a try and noticed some glitches here and there (late redrawing etc) which are probably due to the 250ms timer |
| 02:52:56 | kugel | but there was some talk about keeping manual redraws in some cases, so that we can cope better with information changes in the statusbar or screen changes |
| 02:54:43 | kugel | Llorean: I wondered if you could have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9662 again and maybe give it a test |
| 02:55:22 | Llorean | Not until after the holidays, probably. Remind me again on the 5th or later and I'll have a look. :) |
| 02:55:37 | kugel | sure! |
| 02:59:07 | kugel | JdGordon: with "some glitches here and there" I acutally meant "it apparently works as supposed to be", as the late redraw issue was basically the only one I noticed |
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| 03:05:14 | casainho | I am getting this error: ./arm-elf/bin/ld: cannot find target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle/crt0.o −− what shoulkd I do? |
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| 03:07:54 | casainho | I have that file crt0.S on that path, and If I put it on SOURCES and build it is ok If I build again, after remove it again from the SOURCES.... |
| 03:08:58 | casainho | amiconn: are you there? |
| 03:09:25 | casainho | kugel: are you there? |
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| 03:12:09 | Unhelpful | kugel: broke how, exactly? my ability to debug hardware at all, especially when i don't have it, is a tiny bit limited. |
| 03:12:44 | kugel | casainho: why do you remove it from sources? |
| 03:13:29 | casainho | kugel: If I have it on SOURCES, I get the error telling that I have duplicated the reset_handler label!!! |
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| 03:14:07 | casainho | kugel: but If I put it there, build and remove again, I don't have the error of it is missing :-) |
| 03:14:15 | kugel | casainho: what does your system-target.h look like now? |
| 03:15:02 | casainho | kugel: just this line: #include "system-arm.h" |
| 03:15:05 | kugel | Unhelpful: uhm, some wrong pixels in the main menu at the "Rockbox" lettering, and the yellow in the wps is more looks a bit weird too |
| 03:15:38 | Unhelpful | bizarre. can you reproduce on the clip sim? then at least i can try to debug it myself... :/ |
| 03:16:07 | kugel | casainho: haven't you put the usual #ifdef _FILENALE_H_ around the stuff in it? |
| 03:16:16 | kugel | Unhelpful: fuze |
| 03:16:31 | kugel | I'm talking about cabbiev2 btw |
| 03:16:37 | Unhelpful | ...sorry, yes, fuze. does fuze *have* a working sim? |
| 03:16:58 | casainho | kugel: yes, it's there also that defines... |
| 03:17:56 | kugel | casainho: I have no idea, maybe you care to actually show the error message? |
| 03:18:00 | kugel | Unhelpful: yes |
| 03:18:37 | casainho | kugel: here is the error: /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: cannot find target/arm/at91sam/rockboxplayerlittle/crt0.o |
| 03:19:22 | kugel | not this one |
| 03:19:39 | kugel | it's obvious that you have to fix the other one |
| 03:19:52 | kugel | Unhelpful: looks correct in the sim |
| 03:20:11 | kugel | Unhelpful: I've nailed it down to that revision, it's really that one that introduced it |
| 03:20:37 | Unhelpful | i'm not sure how best to debug, on HW i don't have. does logf work on fuze? |
| 03:21:16 | casainho | kugel: did you talked to me? |
| 03:21:24 | kugel | yes |
| 03:21:39 | kugel | Unhelpful: I think so |
| 03:21:55 | casainho | kugel: but I just have that error... what I have to fix? I don't understand... |
| 03:22:18 | kugel | lol? "<casainho>kugel: If I have it on SOURCES, I get the error telling that I have duplicated the reset_handler label!!!" |
| 03:23:28 | casainho | kugel: If I remove it from SOURCES. then I got that error about it missing... and other targets don't have that file on SOURCES! |
| 03:23:57 | casainho | kugel: it's like if it is not building automatically... |
| 03:24:03 | kugel | come one |
| 03:24:09 | kugel | on* |
| 03:24:10 | kugel | listen to me |
| 03:24:17 | kugel | crt0.S needs to be in sources |
| 03:24:30 | kugel | and you need to fix that error you get when it is in sources |
| 03:25:06 | kugel | sure you get a missing crt0.o error if you didn't compile crt0.S |
| 03:25:46 | kugel | Unhelpful: it's a bit weird that apps/ changes break something |
| 03:27:11 | kugel | Unhelpful: it actually seems like some very few colors are inverted |
| 03:28:15 | Unhelpful | kugel: sounds like overflow, to me. |
| 03:28:32 | casainho | kugel: but on bootloader/SOURCES I see for other targets like this: #elif defined(CREATIVE_ZVx) |
| 03:28:34 | casainho | creativezvm.c |
| 03:28:36 | casainho | #elif CONFIG_CPU==AS3525 |
| 03:28:59 | Unhelpful | and in WPS? that uses unscaled loads, exclusively. |
| 03:29:19 | casainho | kugel: no others targets puts there the crt0.S file! Or I am not seeing it? :-) |
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| 03:30:14 | kugel | Unhelpful: I haven't said it's related to scaling |
| 03:30:49 | kugel | casainho: I see many |
| 03:30:54 | creamycenter2003 | im sooo excited, i just put rockbox on my ipod nano 1g! |
| 03:31:00 | kugel | just search for crt0.S |
| 03:31:08 | creamycenter2003 | so what should i put on my nano that now plays videos??? |
| 03:31:16 | kugel | or crt0 alone, that you even find more |
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| 03:32:11 | kugel | Unhelpful: overflow? |
| 03:32:27 | casainho | kugel: but that crt0.S file is not on SOURCES file, under bootloader direcotry, or not? −− yes, for sure that I need the crt0.S!! I had to costumize my file and the linker script, mas last months were working on it ;-) |
| 03:32:50 | kugel | casainho: firmware/ of course |
| 03:33:21 | kugel | you're supposed to put your crt0.S into firmware/target/../rockboxplayerlittle/ |
| 03:33:29 | kugel | and add it to firmware/SOURCES |
| 03:34:00 | casainho | kugel: AH :-) on SOURCES of firmware and not on SOURCES bootloader ;-) |
| 03:34:18 | kugel | bootloader/ contains very little, most stuff is in firmware, all the drivers and stuff |
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| 03:34:40 | kugel | you only add your bootloader.c in bootloader/SOURCES |
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| 03:37:49 | kugel | Unhelpful: I'll read the logs, in case you have some ideas |
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| 04:00:19 | Unhelpful | kugel: there can be an error where a bright value in one of the channels "wraps" to a dark one. i'm not sure *how* that could happen in the unscaled case, or how that changeset could be related to such a thing... but that sounds like what you described, i think? |
| 04:06:19 | offset | Is there some way to change the resolution of X to something higher than 1024x768 when using the vmware dev image? I've been editing the XF86Config-4 file and trying to use xrandr with no luck. |
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| 04:07:45 | offset | never mind |
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| 05:17:09 | gartral | anyone know why rbutil reports *ALL* versions of rockbox as "3.0/196xx" |
| 05:19:31 | Llorean | Which version of rbutil, do you mean different 196xx versions, or do you mean it literally says "196xx" as indicated by your use of " marks? |
| 05:20:40 | gartral | in m1.0.8 the read for rockbox version is, without the quotes, "3.0/r19621" |
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| 05:21:21 | Llorean | And what version is actually on the player, and what does the rockbox-info.txt on the player report? |
| 05:24:16 | gartral | well, i just updated it, so i know the version is r19621, and rockbox-info.txt confirms |
| 05:25:03 | Llorean | So the problem is just the 3.0/ preceding it? |
| 05:25:39 | gartral | yep, that sums it up, also, i should not, just well its on my mind, that ANY file masquerading as "mingwm10.dll" will quell rbutils anger... ;p |
| 05:25:46 | gartral | note* |
| 05:26:09 | Llorean | You should file a bug report about the presence of the 3.0/ before the version number then |
| 05:26:54 | gartral | well, first, are we shure its a bug, and not someones ill-attempt at a "original installation" feature? |
| 05:27:34 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 05:29:15 | gartral | ok, the reason i asked is cause there are other things with the same naming conventions |
| 05:30:35 | gartral | namely the fonts, which reads, again, minus quotations, "20080823/20081230" |
| 05:32:21 | gartral | everything else, minus the boot-loader section which is appears to be an MD5 hash, reads either 20080823, or 20080404 |
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| 05:32:59 | gartral | replace "823" with 411" sorry, my arin is crosswired |
| 05:33:03 | gartral | brain |
| 05:34:33 | gartral | anyway, how should i file that report? |
| 05:37:46 | Llorean | Just describe that some of the version numbers seem to either be hardcoded or report something other than the version currently installed and that it's unclear what it's reporting |
| 05:39:26 | gartral | i get that... under WHAT should i file it? |
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| 05:40:09 | Llorean | There's a category for rbutil... |
| 05:41:04 | gartral | an its not reporting wrong numbers, its just report 2, on older, and the current |
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| 05:41:45 | ment | hi |
| 05:41:52 | ment | has anyone tried to port rockbox to nintendo ds? |
| 05:42:58 | Llorean | Not yet. |
| 05:44:19 | gartral | why in the world would you want to put Rockbox on the DS?!?! |
| 05:44:57 | _Auron_ | um |
| 05:44:58 | gartral | i could almost see the PSP, but the DS has enough hacks for media... |
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| 05:45:01 | _Auron_ | just use moonshell. o.O |
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| 05:45:53 | gartral | not too mention how hard that would be to circumvent there OS, let alone the hashed bootloader |
| 05:47:48 | ment | well the output quality of most mp3 decoders for nds sucks (don't know why, maybe because of libmad) |
| 05:48:42 | Llorean | We use libmad as well, but the nds is pretty slow. |
| 05:50:15 | ment | the arm9 should be able to decode 256kbps cbr mp3 (helix) |
| 05:50:47 | Llorean | Helix is much more optimized than Libmad |
| 05:57:29 | gartral | what catagory should i file my report for mixed version numbers in rbutil under?~! |
| 05:58:09 | Llorean | There's a category explicitly called "rbutil" |
| 05:58:12 | Llorean | I already told you this. |
| 05:58:24 | gartral | ahh, looked twich, just saw it, sorry |
| 05:58:31 | gartral | twice |
| 05:58:56 | gartral | ok FS link http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9732 |
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| 06:08:17 | saratoga | Llorean: for what its worth, the NDS is probably on par with PP502x in terms of CPU power |
| 06:08:26 | saratoga | at least ignoring dual core |
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| 06:09:07 | JdGordon | the NDS isnt really a good target other than to say we did it... |
| 06:09:36 | JdGordon | not really enough storage to be worth it (assuming you have plenty of games on the chip) |
| 06:10:07 | Llorean | saratoga: I thought it was a 33mhz and a 66mhz core. |
| 06:10:26 | ment | JdGordon: in most recent homebrew cards you have sdhc slot |
| 06:10:29 | saratoga | LLorean: it is, but its ARM9 w/ DSP extensions |
| 06:10:45 | Llorean | Ah |
| 06:10:48 | JdGordon | ment: yeah so? my 6gb chip has 6gb of games on it |
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| 06:11:07 | saratoga | the DS would be a pretty easy target to port since theres already GPLed drivers for its hardware |
| 06:11:19 | saratoga | and you can put uSD and CF cards in some of the adapters |
| 06:12:04 | ment | JdGordon: i have about ~3GB music on 4GB card |
| 06:12:36 | JdGordon | yeah, waste... my muisc is on my phone or daps |
| 06:12:48 | gartral | yea, and you have a lot of hardware to spoof and wright to flash, unless you want to really patch there BL, then thats at least a jtag overwright |
| 06:13:15 | gartral | thier* |
| 06:13:27 | gartral | their* smegging fingers |
| 06:14:19 | ment | btw rockbox has it's own implementation of libc-like functions or it uses bsd libc (from devkitarm)? |
| 06:17:44 | saratoga | ment: i believe we use newlib |
| 06:18:48 | gartral | not that would prove very usful, but does anyone think that the Sandisk sansa slot player would benefit from rockbox? of course, it would be mainly a deno of rockbox's voice UI |
| 06:25:50 | saratoga | apparently devkitarm uses newlib too |
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| 07:02:29 | JdGordon | let me know if you notice any wierdness with the stausbar now please... I'm hoping I got all of them but dunno |
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| 07:10:00 | saratoga | whats the advantage of decoupling the status bar drawing? |
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| 07:12:06 | JdGordon | apart from a nice green... its one less thing to worry about when drawing screens, and sizing viewports |
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| 07:12:58 | Kaervak | quick stupid question, is anyone else having problems downloading rockbox? |
| 07:14:07 | JdGordon | flcush your dns.... one of the mirrors might be having problems |
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| 07:16:31 | Kaervak | hmm, something must be really screwed up on my end. it's still not working after flushing things. |
| 07:17:22 | JdGordon | are you trying through rbutil? or the website? |
| 07:18:08 | Kaervak | just the website |
| 07:19:47 | JdGordon | try the http://haxx.rockbox.org mirror (I tihnk thats the master one...) |
| 07:20:01 | geokite | in the wps Widecabbie for the e200, the current track information is yellowish, while the next track information is whitish. I'm trying to modify the wps file to change these font colors. The foreground color setting does not change them (odd to me). What tag specifies the font color in the wps? (I've searched the manual, the forum for "font color", and the wps file for the color values (three values of xx, correct?) |
| 07:20:34 | Kaervak | oooh, that one works. Thanks a lot |
| 07:21:02 | JdGordon | geokite: if you want them as differnt colous you need to fiddle with their viewport lines (the %V tag line) |
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| 07:25:37 | geokite | excelent. Just did a search in the manual, no luck. Did a search in the forum for %v, got the message that search words must be at least two characters long. Any tips on where I can find out what the values after %v stand for? |
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| 07:26:22 | JdGordon | CustomWPS wiki page |
| 07:29:09 | geokite | Most excellent, found just what I was looking for. Thanks Jd |
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| 08:11:22 | rasher | geokite: top-left |
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| 08:19:10 | geokite | Thank you!! Cheers everyone |
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| 10:15:25 | write_erase | Hi ... I get Undefined instrucion at 01e88078 when I try to play a .mp3 file. I run rockbox - svn on Ipod Mini 2ndGen .... Help please |
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| 10:36:33 | pixelma | write_erase: is it always the same mp3 or did you try different ones? |
| 10:38:34 | pixelma | and stating the exact revision of the build you are using is probably more helpful than "svn" |
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| 10:51:17 | gartral | ok, this is a severe bug, i cannot add anything too the playlist, all it does is ask if i want to delete the current playlist, for literally a nano-second, and then quits to menu, resuming where it paused |
| 10:51:47 | gartral | i cannot purge the playlist by saving, or opening another, ether, same behavour |
| 10:51:57 | gartral | either* |
| 10:52:35 | JdGordon | which version? |
| 10:53:49 | JdGordon | bah, ok yeah I see the problem... i cant fix it right now though |
| 10:53:55 | gartral | i just updated, like 35 seconds ago, too the latest |
| 10:54:15 | JdGordon | go back to the latest daily... |
| 10:54:20 | gartral | staarted playing my old playlist, decided i wanted to change it, and now, i cant |
| 10:54:31 | gartral | i am running latest daily |
| 10:54:43 | JdGordon | run yesterdays daily |
| 10:55:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: something to do with your statusbar commit? |
| 10:55:07 | gartral | i would, but your website is reporting 404 |
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| 10:55:28 | scorche|sh | gartral: flush your DNS |
| 10:56:15 | JdGordon | pixelma: yep... yesno screen.. easy fix.. i'm in windows now so cant actually test, but ill commit the fix |
| 10:56:17 | gartral | its a direct bridge network, i have to pay AT&T $40 to flush the DNS for my network, ide rather not seeing as im $500 in the hole as it is |
| 10:56:53 | gartral | i think ill just wait till it reupdates |
| 10:56:54 | scorche|sh | gartral: then you just got an unlucky mirror... |
| 10:56:58 | * | scorche|sh nods |
| 10:57:28 | gartral | but its "www.rockbox.com" that, i never had problems with |
| 10:57:29 | * | JdGordon hopes visual studio doesnt mangle the line endings... |
| 10:57:42 | amiconn | Whoa a JdGordon commit caused a green delta. Now if it also works properly... ;) |
| 10:57:43 | scorche|sh | oh?...nothing seems wrong with www.r.o |
| 10:57:45 | gartral | JdGordon: it will, more than likely |
| 10:57:59 | gartral | www.r.o? |
| 10:58:05 | scorche|sh | www.rockbox.org |
| 10:58:23 | pixelma | gartral: rockbox.com? |
| 10:58:39 | JdGordon | thanks amiconn :p |
| 10:58:48 | gartral | lol, www.r.o comes up as a potentially malicious site |
| 10:59:26 | scorche|sh | sorry...colloquialism from OLPC stuffs |
| 10:59:27 | gartral | blah, its 5 am, i havent slept since yesterday, leave me alones |
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| 11:00:21 | gartral | of course, it does help when i type ORG not OGR |
| 11:02:52 | JdGordon | ok fixed... the next build should work fine |
| 11:03:21 | gartral | and it helps when trying to call a website through an AP, not a printer |
| 11:03:27 | JdGordon | should even have correct line ending and spaces! |
| 11:04:12 | gartral | lol |
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| 11:06:20 | gartral | how long till its up and avilable? |
| 11:06:57 | JdGordon | 7min or so |
| 11:07:06 | JdGordon | under the current build link |
| 11:07:31 | gartral | ill just use rbutil |
| 11:08:14 | gartral | which reminds me, the mingwm10.dll dependy can be filled wit any file renamed to mingwm10.dll |
| 11:08:46 | gartral | i used a simple txt that contains "hello world" |
| 11:08:54 | JdGordon | wtf? haha |
| 11:10:38 | gartral | i figured youed get a kick outa thar |
| 11:10:44 | gartral | that |
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| 11:12:31 | gartral | does the iAudio M3 not have a screen? |
| 11:12:47 | amiconn | Bagder: The Clip and the Fuze are missing in the delta table |
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| 11:14:03 | pixelma | gartral: no, the Iaudio M3 does not have a screen on its main unit but can use a lcd remote |
| 11:14:05 | amiconn | gartral: Not on the main unit. It does have an lcd remote though |
| 11:14:44 | * | gartral thinks thats just simply bassackwards, but, dosnt have an M3 too worry about it |
| 11:16:43 | gartral | now that its at r19624, mabey i can play somthing other than Still Alive |
| 11:20:14 | gartral | so, just courios, what caused RB to ignore input like that? |
| 11:21:37 | JdGordon | I idnt fix that screen to handle the new system event which happens very often.. so as soon as it got it it exited |
| 11:22:45 | gartral | huh |
| 11:23:04 | gartral | well, im glad it was caught quickly |
| 11:23:26 | gartral | that was truly anoying |
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| 11:44:16 | gartral | why wont the bitrate feild change while playing a VBR file? |
| 11:46:57 | linuxstb | It just shows the average bitrate. |
| 11:47:53 | gartral | not really... it shows what the bitrate is at start... |
| 11:48:31 | gartral | most of the files in playing go from 170-350 kbs, no way average is 93 |
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| 11:51:43 | linuxstb | Then the VBR header in the file is incorrect. I assume these are MP3s? |
| 11:52:06 | linuxstb | Does Rockbox show the correct length for the track? |
| 11:53:37 | gartral | no, its anywhere from 1 too 4 seconds sort |
| 11:53:44 | gartral | short |
| 11:54:06 | gartral | and yes, there MP3s and OGAs |
| 11:54:17 | gartral | OGM, rather |
| 11:55:48 | gartral | and vbrfix further breaks them, too the point they report 50min+ |
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| 12:01:04 | gartral | im sorry, nvm, i had a corrupt file, vbrfix does nothing at all |
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| 13:02:20 | kugel | half of JdGordon's greens delta is my job :) |
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| 13:35:23 | kugel | Jaykay: I'm wondering why you didn't post your benches onto the SansaRuntime page |
| 13:36:15 | Jaykay | yeah im wondering too |
| 13:36:17 | Jaykay | ill do it |
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| 13:39:25 | Jaykay | kugel: should i upload the file and write the link to the dev mailing list or should i write all of them in the table? |
| 13:39:50 | kugel | I'd write them down in the table |
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| 13:41:46 | InDAVIDualism | Hello. |
| 13:43:37 | InDAVIDualism | Need some help... |
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| 13:54:05 | advcomp2019 | InDAVIDualism, we cant help without knowing what you need help with |
| 13:54:42 | InDAVIDualism | Okay, well, I didn't know if anybody was active or not. |
| 13:55:13 | InDAVIDualism | What I'm trying to do is get the rockbox firmware running on my sansa fuze, and I'm completely lost here. Pretty sure what I need at this point is a boot manager or something. |
| 13:56:10 | advcomp2019 | are you building the bootloader and firmware because the fuze is not supported yet |
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| 13:57:28 | InDAVIDualism | Indeed. |
| 13:59:28 | advcomp2019 | ok.. you might want to wait till someone that knows a bit more about the ams sansas then.. i have not built rockbox yet for one of them |
| 13:59:52 | linuxstb | InDAVIDualism: You need to merge the Rockbox bootloader with a copy of the Fuze original firmware using the rbutil/mkamsboot/ utility. |
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| 14:01:41 | InDAVIDualism | Is there a guide or walkthrough or something I could use to do that? |
| 14:02:10 | linuxstb | I don't think so - just type "make" in that directory, and run mkamsboot to get usage information. |
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| 14:04:05 | Jaykay | kugel: the tag in the empty wps was %wd? |
| 14:04:27 | kugel | I don't know what you put there? |
| 14:05:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: Can you take a look at this forum post? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19981.0 |
| 14:05:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think we should look for a couple more mi4 keys for c200/e200 firmwares if possible. |
| 14:06:29 | linuxstb | Yes, you should ;) |
| 14:06:46 | InDAVIDualism | rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot.S is what I want? |
| 14:07:18 | linuxstb | InDAVIDualism: No. You type "make" in that directory, then run the "mkamsboot" program that's created. Don't touch anything else. |
| 14:07:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: I shall. :) |
| 14:08:07 | InDAVIDualism | ..So what is it I'll need to download exactly, if you please.. |
| 14:08:56 | linuxstb | LambdaCalculus37: I think they also need adding to the bootloader, so it can load encrypted "OF.mi4" files |
| 14:09:35 | linuxstb | InDAVIDualism: Have you already downloaded the source code to Rockbox, and compiled the bootloader and main Rockbox builds? |
| 14:11:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb: No problem. |
| 14:12:05 | InDAVIDualism | I've no idea what I've done. |
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| 14:12:18 | InDAVIDualism | I've a .rockbox folder on my Fuze already |
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| 14:12:40 | InDAVIDualism | And I got the latest firmware for the fuze off of.. Daniel's site or something I think |
| 14:13:15 | InDAVIDualism | I've tried with a few other programs to try and get this working, but I kept getting error messages along the way, because I"m not using a supported model. |
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| 14:17:09 | InDAVIDualism | There was a file.. Fuze-in-tree.diff, in the section of stuff that people've been working on regarding the Fuze, but I didn't know what to do with it, and when I opened it, it was opened as text in my brower, so I just copied and pasted as a .diff on the root hdd. That file description said something about the boot manager or something I'm sure. |
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| 14:19:51 | kugel | InDAVIDualism: the bootloader installation is described on the SansaV2 wiki page |
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| 14:20:30 | kugel | and "Fuze-in-tree.diff" is a patch which is already in SVN |
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| 14:21:10 | kugel | but really, if you don't know what you're doing, I recommend to do nothing |
| 14:21:14 | JdGordon | kugel: taking my credit are you... :D |
| 14:21:16 | kugel | rockbox isn't usable anyway |
| 14:21:35 | kugel | JdGordon: You took mine! :P |
| 14:22:00 | InDAVIDualism | idk how to use it as it is... w/o having to do the other stuff, 'cause the apps that do it automatically don't run, non-recognized model... |
| 14:23:15 | kugel | InDAVIDualism: there's no "i do it for you" app right now |
| 14:23:26 | InDAVIDualism | ;-( |
| 14:24:10 | InDAVIDualism | I just need direction.. where it is I need to go to get it done... I've been wandering around four a couple hours now! D= |
| 14:25:21 | kugel | it's all documented |
| 14:27:41 | InDAVIDualism | So much of it! |
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| 14:30:27 | InDAVIDualism | Where does the rockbox utility install the downloaded version of rockboxes it retrieved? to my media player? |
| 14:32:04 | kugel | InDAVIDualism: do you understand that the fuze is not supported? |
| 14:32:15 | InDAVIDualism | I understand, yes. |
| 14:32:20 | kugel | there's no rockbox utility for unsupported players |
| 14:32:34 | InDAVIDualism | Hence my need to do it manually. =\ |
| 14:34:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | InDAVIDualism: Right now, Rockbox on the Fuze is at a point where not a lot of stuff is working. It's only useful for developers looking to test and debug. It's not at a point for end users to pick up and use every day. |
| 14:36:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's still a lot of missing functionality, and while I can't tell you what to do, I'm wondering why you're so anxious to run it now. |
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| 14:36:38 | InDAVIDualism | =\ |
| 14:36:50 | InDAVIDualism | I want to play games at work on it? |
| 14:37:38 | gevaerts | Good:) They need work, so we need volunteers for that |
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| 14:38:04 | Jaykay | gevaerts: the games need work? |
| 14:38:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | I think the majority of plugins need work. |
| 14:38:53 | Blackfrosch | hi |
| 14:38:57 | kugel | he wants to play games...at work, and not work on games ;) |
| 14:39:26 | Blackfrosch | yeah cause playing is much easier than working on them :-) |
| 14:40:09 | InDAVIDualism | Hey, I might work on them, I get bored sometimes! |
| 14:40:11 | Blackfrosch | does anybody know where I can get a rockbox 3.0 release for an ipod mini gen2? |
| 14:40:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox 3.1 has been released already. |
| 14:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Go to the Releases page of the site. |
| 14:41:34 | Blackfrosch | thx for helping - but I am not that lazy as you think |
| 14:41:51 | Blackfrosch | I know the rb page pretty good |
| 14:42:11 | Blackfrosch | the thing is car adapter mode is no working on my ipod with release 3.1 |
| 14:43:02 | Blackfrosch | so I am looking für 3.0 - last version it was working with... |
| 14:43:12 | gevaerts | http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.0/rockbox-ipodmini2g-3.0.zip |
| 14:43:40 | Blackfrosch | where did you get this link? |
| 14:43:57 | Blackfrosch | compiled on your own? |
| 14:43:59 | gevaerts | I took the 3.1 link, replaced a bit, and tested |
| 14:44:11 | Blackfrosch | sorry for that |
| 14:44:59 | Blackfrosch | could have been my idea - but even google cache was up to date |
| 14:45:16 | InDAVIDualism | ... |
| 14:45:21 | InDAVIDualism | I'm still entirely lost here... |
| 14:46:48 | Jaykay | indavidualism: the fuze is not supported, many things dont work, you are not supposed to play games on work and i think the plugins are partly not working. let it be. |
| 14:47:06 | Jaykay | it doesnt make much sense..... |
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| 14:47:23 | InDAVIDualism | =\ |
| 14:47:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | InDAVIDualism: Then I suggest you stop what you're doing, go do your work, and wait until the Fuze is supported (which we don't know when that'll be). |
| 14:48:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | If you want to use Rockbox that badly, go get one of the supported players listed on the front page. |
| 14:48:27 | Jaykay | kugel: the bench-results are now on the sansaruntime-page.... do you feel better now? :) |
| 14:49:23 | kugel | yep |
| 14:49:34 | InDAVIDualism | Supposing I did get it to work at some point, how would I know if it were capable of booting in RockBox? Would it default to it? |
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| 14:54:16 | Blackfrosch | thx again car adapter mode and backlight on while plugged in is working again! |
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| 14:56:25 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: have you read the logs? |
| 14:57:56 | Unhelpful | kugel: get anywhere with the weird graphics corruption issue? |
| 14:58:06 | kugel | nope |
| 14:59:06 | kugel | Unhelpful: I noticed though that it's not limited to cabbit |
| 14:59:11 | kugel | cabbie* |
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| 15:04:08 | kugel | jhMikeS: hey |
| 15:04:35 | kugel | lol! |
| 15:04:59 | * | kugel just coped ~3,5GB from his microSD to the internal storage within Rockbox!! |
| 15:05:20 | JdGordon | how long did it take? |
| 15:05:50 | kugel | not that long actually |
| 15:06:02 | kugel | the thing is, that you cannot read/write past 1GB |
| 15:06:20 | kugel | less than 10min |
| 15:06:38 | JdGordon | that would explain the speed then' |
| 15:06:42 | JdGordon | it didnt actually work :p |
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| 15:07:21 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: it worked |
| 15:07:50 | kugel | JdGordon|zzz: no, it didn't! |
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| 15:24:30 | InDAVIDualism | What language are the games written in |
| 15:24:32 | InDAVIDualism | ? |
| 15:26:12 | J-23 | Rockbox games? |
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| 15:30:01 | Blackfrosch | I guess C |
| 15:33:07 | mcuelenaere | InDAVIDualism: there's a LUA interpreter patch in the tracker |
| 15:34:50 | mcuelenaere | (FS #9174) |
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| 15:36:04 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: yes. I agree that it looks like bad EP!=0. The fact that it finds the interface correctly seems to show that the EP0 bit is OK |
| 15:36:22 | * | gevaerts thinks |
| 15:36:32 | gevaerts | What endianness are you using? |
| 15:36:43 | mcuelenaere | Little Endian |
| 15:36:51 | mcuelenaere | so the same as the ARM targets |
| 15:37:03 | mcuelenaere | (except for the meizu) |
| 15:37:28 | gevaerts | ok. That can't cause problems then |
| 15:37:52 | mcuelenaere | I think this issue is probably something on my side (something wrong in the USB driver) |
| 15:37:58 | mcuelenaere | so not in the USB stack |
| 15:39:08 | mcuelenaere | I see the mass storage driver doing an usb_drv_recv() on EP1, but I only get one EP1 request of 31bytes big after some seconds |
| 15:39:25 | mcuelenaere | so I'm not sure whether the host is doing something wrong or whether it's the client |
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| 15:42:51 | gevaerts | I suspect the client |
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| 16:23:18 | martian67 | http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once |
| 16:25:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | martian67: No, we still won't port to the Zune. :) |
| 16:25:50 | flux | nice easter egg they have there |
| 16:30:26 | Blackfrosch | help help OpenSource Community - Microsoft does not understand their own hardware - help them by reverse engineering |
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| 16:51:24 | Unhelpful | kugel: hrm... screendump working on fuze? it might help... and if you're seeing corruption in theme bitmaps, it might be worth putting a splash or logf at the top of resize_on_load, just to make sure that it really is using the unscaled output like it should. |
| 16:51:56 | kugel | Unhelpful: should work, let me see |
| 16:53:59 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I found a mistake in the driver and now I have this: http://pastebin.com/m748f699c |
| 16:57:26 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: should I forward EP0 packets who don't have a DATA stage to usb_core_control_request()? |
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| 17:00:33 | kugel | Unhelpful: indeed, ss is working and you see the weirdnesses |
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| 17:05:51 | kugel | Unhelpful: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/mainmenu1.png |
| 17:06:01 | kugel | and http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/wps.png |
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| 17:10:10 | kugel | Unhelpful: the grey logos look a bit weird too in the wos |
| 17:10:12 | kugel | wps |
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| 17:29:19 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I get http://pastebin.com/m6aee3f9d currently, doesn't that imply a working EP1? |
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| 17:35:26 | mcuelenaere | anyone opposed to committing FS #9733? |
| 17:36:44 | write__erase | Hi, what is the revision corresponding to latest stable ? |
| 17:37:20 | write__erase | I mean the -r value to pass SVN to get the latest stable code |
| 17:39:26 | write__erase | Found v3_1 tag . nevermind |
| 17:40:58 | Unhelpful | write__erase: why do you want latest stable? if you're developing, you should probably be using the most current revision |
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| 17:41:43 | Unhelpful | kugel: i *see*... that's clearly not even any of the type of problems i was thinking of. weird. |
| 17:42:55 | Unhelpful | if screendump works, i assume i can open a file and write to it, as well? maybe i should try dumping some stuff to a logfile, or savinge the the load results as a bmp before returning... :/ |
| 17:44:17 | kugel | Unhelpful: I think it's weird that it seems limited to my the fuze |
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| 17:45:06 | write__erase | Unhelpful, because I get : |
| 17:45:26 | write__erase | * Kernel oops with usb-storage on FreeBSD |
| 17:45:57 | write__erase | * Undefined instructions while playing mp3 |
| 17:47:42 | mcuelenaere | write__erase: I don't think usb mass storage has changed since 3.1 |
| 17:47:50 | linuxstb | write__erase: When did you install your Rockbox bootloader? |
| 17:48:07 | write__erase | Yesterday |
| 17:48:24 | jhMikeS | kugel: ...hey hey? |
| 17:49:13 | Unhelpful | is the screen dump of the in-memory framebuffer, or are we getting it "back" from the LCD driver somehow? |
| 17:49:32 | kugel | Me and Zagor wondered about naming the backlight defines with USE_* instead of HAVE_* (what's your opinion about that?), also we wondered about the name you choosed for the beasts fade |
| 17:50:05 | Unhelpful | and the fact that it's only happening on target, and only on one target, really bugs me. i can't imagine how that would happen. :/ |
| 17:50:26 | write__erase | What about "undefined instuction at 01E99078" when trying to play an MP3 ? |
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| 17:52:41 | jhMikeS | kugel: Hmmm. What it the point of HAVE_ vs. USE_ anyway? Also, what would you call the beasts fade in some general sense? |
| 17:54:35 | kugel | jhMikeS: I'm fine with either (and USE makes for a bit more sense for me in such a (eye-candy) feature-only), but Zagor said using HAVE_ is the consensus and should be consistent within the source (I wouldn't disagree). |
| 17:55:20 | kugel | Me and Zagor think the name of the beasts fade define is a bit confusing |
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| 17:57:53 | jhMikeS | What is it? I was trying to avoid proliferation of new #defines when a target may use something that doesn't fit any generic one. |
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| 17:58:29 | kugel | jhMikeS: see also here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9724 for some discussion |
| 17:58:41 | jhMikeS | Both gigabeats implement a unique algorthm and both could use a variant of that define |
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| 18:03:24 | jhMikeS | Perhaps a CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADING == .... could be done instead |
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| 18:07:32 | kugel | sounds good |
| 18:10:55 | jhMikeS | Another idea. You could encode the setting type within the type value, if even, then integers, if odd then bool then a simple #if (type & 1) #else |
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| 18:13:56 | kugel | hm |
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| 18:15:16 | jhMikeS | at least then it would select throughout without editing files other than the target ones |
| 18:15:25 | WarpTI | hello |
| 18:16:19 | WarpTI | arnt the ams devices like ams sansas used in shitty chinese mp4 players? |
| 18:16:34 | WarpTI | *ams hardware |
| 18:16:57 | kugel | jhMikeS: how about CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADE with PWM_, SW_TYPE_1_, SW_TYPE_2, SIMPLE_ [I don't really know how to call beasts fading] |
| 18:17:32 | kugel | and then in config.h #if (CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADE == PWM) #define BACKLIGHT_SETTING_INT |
| 18:17:41 | kugel | #elif (...) #define BACKLIGHT_SETTING_BOOL |
| 18:18:09 | kugel | the apps/ would only use the BACKLIGHT_SETTING_* ones |
| 18:18:51 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: now I have http://pastebin.com/m1daad028 |
| 18:20:05 | jhMikeS | I don't know what to call it either and the same basic define could handle F/X as well as S. For charging I used CONFIG_CHARGING == CHARGING_TARGET :\ and Recorder and beast just define their own algorithms for it. |
| 18:21:17 | kugel | so, e.g. BACKLIGHT_FADE_TARGET /* this requires a target-specific implementation */ ? |
| 18:22:01 | jhMikeS | sure. but how to select setting type? |
| 18:22:29 | kugel | uhm, maybe #define BACKLIGHT_SETTING_BOOL in backlight-target.h then |
| 18:22:50 | kugel | or config-<target>.h |
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| 18:23:15 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: usb_core_control_request() should get all control transfers. Whether or not they have a DATA stage is irrelevant |
| 18:23:23 | jhMikeS | BACKLIGHT_FADE_SETTING_BOOL? :) BACKLIGHT_SETTING_BOOL sounds ambiguous. |
| 18:23:42 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: but I can't pass a NULL pointer to it, can I? |
| 18:23:55 | kugel | yea, just examples |
| 18:25:03 | gevaerts | Why would you? |
| 18:25:06 | kugel | what do you think about the USE_ vs HAVE_ now? I'm undecided |
| 18:25:24 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: if it doesn't have a DATA stage, what data should I give usb_core_control_request() then? |
| 18:25:47 | gevaerts | It gets the setup data, not the DATA data |
| 18:25:53 | casainho | hello :-) - I am getting data abort interruption on my code, at random points but everytime related to thread, as example: "thread->tmo.prev = NULL;" and doing debug, looks like there is always a tentative of reading/writing to an reserved memory region. Can someone please help me? give me any clue? |
| 18:25:55 | jhMikeS | kugel: I don't know. USE_HISTORICAL_PRECEDENT? :p |
| 18:26:04 | kugel | :D |
| 18:26:11 | casainho | kugel: any idea? |
| 18:26:42 | kugel | no idea, sorry |
| 18:26:52 | jhMikeS | Where else is USE_* used? |
| 18:27:05 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: hmm never mind that, I misread something |
| 18:27:20 | casainho | kugel: thanks :-) |
| 18:27:51 | kugel | jhMikeS: grep shows some (USE_ALLOCA) but not so much |
| 18:29:03 | kugel | I think USE_ROCKBOX_USB is the most prominent one |
| 18:30:00 | gevaerts | USE_ROCKBOX_USB is meant as a temporary thing. Once the stack works properly, it goes. |
| 18:30:11 | jhMikeS | Ah, yes. Hmmm. Odd about that since its a switch on top of HAVE_USB_STACK |
| 18:30:30 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: what happened to the USB tester? |
| 18:30:36 | gevaerts | Also, it's (I think) different from the HAVE_* things, since the stack is there, and this one just decides whether to use it |
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| 18:30:42 | mcuelenaere | casainho: if you get random behaviour when using interrupts, double check your interrupt handling code whether it puts the CPU in the same state as before the interrupt was triggered |
| 18:31:22 | kugel | gevaerts: I don't see how's that much different from our backlight fading |
| 18:31:38 | kugel | backlight is there, you just decide to use fading too |
| 18:31:46 | casainho | mcuelenaere: random behaviour as it trying to access at reserved memory areas? |
| 18:31:53 | gevaerts | kugel: the backlight may be there, but the fading isn't :) |
| 18:31:58 | mcuelenaere | casainho: yep |
| 18:32:11 | mcuelenaere | casainho: I had related issues when porting Rockbox to MIPS |
| 18:32:13 | kugel | gevaerts: well, with the sw fade.. |
| 18:32:26 | kugel | that can be used for pretty much every backlight |
| 18:32:35 | kugel | as long as it has levels |
| 18:32:50 | casainho | mcuelenaere: can you explain me a bit of what are you thinking? or give me a link? |
| 18:32:51 | gevaerts | kugel: I mean, with usb, all code is there. USE_ROCKBOX_USB only decides whether to reboot |
| 18:33:51 | casainho | mcuelenaere: like, why some pointers gets an address of reserved memory area with a different CPU state? |
| 18:33:52 | * | jhMikeS just tries to minimize the complexity of the preprocessor selections and the amount of editing required for new types |
| 18:34:01 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: the tracer? It's here. I've used it a few times, but not very intensively yet. I do know now that even if the PP stack seems to work fine from a user point of view, there are still *lots* of issues with it on the wire |
| 18:34:17 | gevaerts | And those issues are definitely not there on the beast |
| 18:34:33 | mcuelenaere | casainho: that's architecture-specific, and as I'm not familiar with yours I can't really answer that.. |
| 18:34:58 | mcuelenaere | but the fact that pointers (in RAM?) change when switching CPU states sounds a bit suspicious |
| 18:34:59 | casainho | mcuelenaere: thank you!! I will investigate ;-) |
| 18:35:25 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: I'm glad the beast works. I suppose that implies the stack itself is ok? Can you get current readings from the tracer? |
| 18:35:37 | gevaerts | Not with this one, no |
| 18:36:16 | casainho | mcuelenaere: I didn't say that they change when CPU states changes, I just know that pointers address seems to go to a reserved memory areas |
| 18:36:37 | gevaerts | I'm not going to claim that the stack itself is bug-free, but I know of no issues anyway (except a wrong logf I just spotted :) |
| 18:38:32 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: But you were saying that basically the PP issue is something is HW setup, not the stack? |
| 18:38:51 | gevaerts | jhMikeS: that's what the data point to, yes |
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| 18:40:31 | jhMikeS | gevaerts: one thing I'm curious about on the beast is if anything would point to why the controller needs to be started and stopped before the first connect (if you recall that little glitch). |
| 18:42:36 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: are you sure the direction bit you pass to usb_core_transfer_complete() is correct? |
| 18:42:49 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: I fixed that in my local tree |
| 18:43:02 | mcuelenaere | you mean the endpoint|USB_DIR_IN, right? |
| 18:43:25 | gevaerts | mcuelenaere: I'm just looking at the last pastebin you linked to, not at your actual code :) |
| 18:43:33 | mcuelenaere | ah ok :) |
| 18:44:22 | mcuelenaere | gevaerts: is this correct usb_core_transfer_complete(endpoint, USB_DIR_IN, 0, ep->sent); ? |
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| 18:47:47 | gevaerts | If ep->sent is the size of the transfered data, then yes. From reading the code I think endpoint needs to be with the direction bit stripped though (maybe usb_core_handle_transfer_completion() should mask it with 0x7f itself) |
| 18:48:34 | mcuelenaere | yes, I removed the |USB_DIR_IN & |USB_DIR_OUT in my local tree |
| 18:49:12 | gevaerts | the USB spec is not always clear on what exactly an endpoint number is, so my code inherits a bit of that confusion :) |
| 18:49:34 | mcuelenaere | but I'm not sure when I should send an usb_core_transfer_complete() upon receiving a packet |
| 18:49:52 | mcuelenaere | EP1 is set with length=1024 by the mass storage driver |
| 18:50:27 | gevaerts | hm, ok. This was easy with the ARC... |
| 18:51:44 | mcuelenaere | currently I just forward all packets with usb_core_transfer_complete() |
| 18:51:44 | gevaerts | A transfer is complete when (a) you have all data the caller asked for, or (b) you receive a non-maxpacketsize packet. |
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| 18:52:00 | mcuelenaere | hmm ok |
| 18:52:48 | gevaerts | e.g. if you have a maxpacketsize of 64, and you get three 64-byte packets and one 23 byte packet, you have a 215-byte transfer |
| 18:53:39 | gevaerts | If you get three 64-byte packets and one zero-byte packet you have a 192-byte transfer. |
| 18:53:59 | gevaerts | If you just get three 64-byte packets (and the caller asked more), the transfer isn't complete yet |
| 18:54:31 | mcuelenaere | ok, I implemented it like that now |
| 18:55:39 | mcuelenaere | hmm I only get scsi: inquiry 0 & ums: set config now |
| 18:55:44 | mcuelenaere | that's less than I used to get |
| 18:56:08 | * | mcuelenaere hates returning to previous code revisions and figuring out what he did wrong |
| 18:56:29 | * | gevaerts has to go now... |
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| 19:39:01 | vwbusguy | Will Rockbox work with any Creative Zen ? |
| 19:40:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Zen Vision:M is the only Zen with any work done on it, and even that is still not meant for any serious use. |
| 19:40:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's still very early in development and is missing a lot of functionality. |
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| 19:42:31 | mcuelenaere | vwbusguy: LambdaCalculus37 is right, only the Zen Vision:M, Zen Vision:M 60GB and Zen Vision have _some_ functionality |
| 19:50:37 | vwbusguy | ok, thanks |
| 19:50:56 | vwbusguy | still using my blackberry foran mp3 player for now, but thinnking of replacing it |
| 19:51:10 | vwbusguy | or at least getting a designated mp3 player |
| 19:56:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Then you may want to read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide to get an idea of what works with Rockbox. |
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| 19:59:16 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: I cannot find my GigabeatS (LOL) what's the word on the charging code? |
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| 20:02:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: jhMikeS is the man to ask. |
| 20:03:32 | Davide-NYC | Bet. |
| 20:04:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | Davide-NYC: On my end, charging from USB works well. Haven't tried charging from AC within Rockbox yet (force of habit makes me do it from the OF). |
| 20:04:34 | Davide-NYC | jhMikeS: cannot find the gigabeast. Out of curiosity how does it look form a charging code perspective? |
| 20:04:59 | Davide-NYC | LambdaCalculus37: that is stellar news. I just moved and have some boxes still to sift through. Hopefully the beast is not lost. |
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| 20:09:03 | theredone | hello does any one know how i can get my g5 to work with the dlo video docking station |
| 20:10:30 | krazykit | theredone, what is a g5? |
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| 20:10:44 | theredone | ipod video |
| 20:12:08 | theredone | ive spent three days reserching this with no luck |
| 20:13:12 | Unhelpful | theredone: use apple's firmware? seriously, the video isn't too great for video playback without its hardware codec. |
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| 20:16:00 | theredone | ya the ipod firmware sucks and id have to use ipods database in order to do it wich means my music will be on ther in two locations |
| 20:16:39 | theredone | the root and database |
| 20:16:50 | Unhelpful | so, only put videos in there for ipod firmware? really, 18fps or so is not worth it for video :P |
| 20:18:21 | theredone | no no im not trying to watch a video im trying to use the docking station witch has an video out so you can see your ipod on a tv |
| 20:19:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Rockbox doesn't make use of video out, nor the Broadcom video chip in the iPod video. |
| 20:19:22 | Unhelpful | oh. are you sure that the thing is truly an "accessory" at all? there are more than a few devices that treat the ipod as a drive with music files and a database on it. |
| 20:20:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | So that will answer the question as "this accessory will not work with Rockbox, at all". |
| 20:20:12 | theredone | ya its an accessory |
| 20:20:23 | theredone | oh ok |
| 20:20:43 | theredone | well thats 100 bucks wasted |
| 20:20:57 | * | Unhelpful wonders why people don't check |
| 20:21:39 | LambdaCalculus37 | Unhelpful: Because some people are too hasty and don't bother reading the manual before putting Rockbox onto their shiny $300 toy? |
| 20:21:41 | theredone | well theres no real info about this ive been researching this for three days |
| 20:22:20 | theredone | and the manual says nothing about a docking station |
| 20:22:25 | Unhelpful | you don't *have* to put files on twice to use either firmware, assuming they're itunes-supported formats |
| 20:22:39 | Unhelpful | theredone: the rockbox manual? that should probably have been a clue. |
| 20:24:06 | theredone | actualy if i use ipods system rockbox cant read the file names correctly |
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| 20:24:46 | theredone | comes up as mmdb or som other four letter name |
| 20:24:52 | Unhelpful | theredone: no, because you don't get to choose filenames on the device if you use itunes. but you can load songs with itunes and use the rockbox db. |
| 20:25:07 | theredone | ya |
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| 20:25:22 | Unhelpful | and then you can start it up in appleOS when you want to use your video dock thingy |
| 20:25:23 | theredone | thats why i hate itunes |
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| 20:26:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | theredone: Haven't thought about using the Database function in Rockbox to view your music? |
| 20:26:58 | * | Unhelpful is sure there must be *some* users doing that to be able to share between appleOS and rockbox |
| 20:27:14 | theredone | i did at first but it changed everything interms of my organization and most of the music was recorded from albums so i didnt tag them |
| 20:27:33 | theredone | its alot of work |
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| 20:28:20 | Unhelpful | pop them in picard, and they'll be tagged. ;D |
| 20:28:56 | theredone | ive tyed that alot of themusic i have is pretty obscure |
| 20:29:56 | theredone | alot of drum and bass (techno) |
| 20:30:37 | theredone | and there stuff comes from mix cds so the tags are from those |
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| 20:33:58 | _lifeless | happy new year guys, 2009 here ^^ |
| 20:34:17 | theredone | same for you cheers |
| 20:38:37 | Unhelpful | kugel: bah, screen_dump uses the in-memory framebuffer, so i can't readily blame your LCD driver :) |
| 20:39:09 | * | kugel isn't really surprised |
| 20:40:03 | Unhelpful | nor am i, really... i've been given the impression that on pretty much all targets, data is essentially "gone" once it goes to the LCD driver, aside from the copy in lcd_framebuffer. |
| 20:42:11 | Unhelpful | i'll have to kludge up a patch to dump some data to a file while loading, and see if we can't figure out where it gets corrupted. |
| 20:43:21 | theredone | well hay guys im out thanks for the info i hope this will be looked at for future updates of rockbox |
| 20:44:16 | Unhelpful | only if somebody who has one works on it. |
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| 21:09:34 | kugel | Zagor: hi |
| 21:10:03 | Zagor | hi |
| 21:10:14 | Zagor | jhMikeS: still here? |
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| 21:10:43 | kugel | I put the button driver online which could go in. Due to the still missing Home button, I copied the e200 keymap, so that everything should be usable (Rec is hardly mapped on e200) |
| 21:11:32 | kugel | and I watched the buffering screen a bit on my fuze, interesting things happen before playback crashes |
| 21:12:32 | Zagor | kugel: was that with svn buffering? |
| 21:12:37 | Zagor | or my patch? |
| 21:12:37 | kugel | yep |
| 21:12:41 | kugel | svn |
| 21:13:12 | kugel | I can't tell why your patch fails on my fuze (and I haven't watched the buffering screen when I tried it) |
| 21:13:29 | Zagor | it fails? how? |
| 21:13:46 | kugel | uhm, I explained what happened on the tracker |
| 21:13:52 | Zagor | ok, checking |
| 21:14:27 | Zagor | odd |
| 21:14:46 | Zagor | it works perfectly on my clip, c200 and h140 |
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| 21:15:25 | Zagor | I would like more testing of it, especially on ipods. FS #9703 |
| 21:16:31 | Zagor | the pcm buffer back and forth is correct. I changed what the pcm buffer displays and it is now more correct. |
| 21:16:44 | kugel | quite odd, I thought so too |
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| 21:16:58 | kugel | yea, I don't think your patch is wrong |
| 21:17:34 | kugel | it's something on the fuze, just revealed now. I mean, playback isn't working as it should anyway |
| 21:18:00 | Zagor | I am going to order a fuze to be able to test myself. Also I'd like to find someplace to buy a clip v2. |
| 21:18:24 | kugel | ah, the port got you :) |
| 21:18:41 | Zagor | yeah, new ports are inspiring. |
| 21:18:47 | kugel | indeed |
| 21:19:59 | * | kugel is glad to get some other people helping him |
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| 21:21:06 | kugel | Zagor: so what I observed in the buffering screen when trying to play ogg/aac |
| 21:21:55 | kugel | the audio buffer is filled very slowly. the pcm buffer decreases and doesn't quite catch up again (so it's effectively decreasing slowly) |
| 21:22:27 | kugel | once the pcm buffer hits a certain level, both audio buffer and pcm buffer refill quite quickly |
| 21:22:33 | Zagor | does cpu boost work on fuze? |
| 21:22:34 | kugel | but the playback doesn't advance anymore |
| 21:23:00 | kugel | well, from what I can tell, yes. The buffering screen shows that it's boosted |
| 21:23:12 | Zagor | the pcm buffer has a critical mark where it starts boosting. that could be related. |
| 21:23:34 | kugel | the screen shows that it's boosted before and after |
| 21:23:38 | kugel | but yea, I found that weird too |
| 21:23:40 | Zagor | odd |
| 21:24:02 | kugel | but when the pcm buffer refills, playback stopped already, so decoding doesn't happen anymore |
| 21:24:36 | kugel | and when the pcm buffer is refilled, the screen looks frozen (neither buffer changes) |
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| 21:25:58 | Zagor | the pcm, buffering and playback code contains rather a lot of fragile areas |
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| 21:27:02 | kugel | Zagor: what I also noticed is, that even though flac plays fine, skipping and seeking is bugged |
| 21:27:47 | Zagor | after the holidays I plan to start looking into simplification and robustness enhancements |
| 21:29:17 | kugel | sounds good, but I don't think the code is wrong. Something on the fuze is wrong sounds more likely to me |
| 21:29:55 | Zagor | yes, I agree |
| 21:31:58 | Zagor | does the clip and fuze have the same sd controller? |
| 21:32:49 | kugel | yes |
| 21:33:48 | kugel | pretty much everything is the same code, except buttons, lcd and backlight |
| 21:33:48 | Zagor | I assume playback works in the sim? |
| 21:33:52 | Zagor | ok |
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| 21:45:26 | kugel | Zagor: is 1MB codec buffer size normal? |
| 21:46:43 | Zagor | kugel: yes |
| 21:47:53 | Zagor | but clip of course uses a much smaller buffer. 288 KB |
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| 21:49:58 | * | Zagor notes the #if MEMORYSIZE line in apps/codecs/SOURCES should rather be #if CODEC_SIZE > .. |
| 21:50:41 | telliott | I need help with the Archos bootloader. I want to upgrade but I don't see a bootloader for the recorder V1 here http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/archos/ |
| 21:51:38 | telliott | Es the v1 recorder bootloader the same as V2? |
| 21:51:41 | telliott | Is |
| 21:51:42 | Zagor | telliott: it's simply unfortunate file names. flash-recorder-v2.zip is for the v1 |
| 21:51:53 | Zagor | flash-recorderv2-v2.zip is for recorder v2 |
| 21:52:56 | telliott | Is there anything significant in the updated bootloader? |
| 21:53:13 | Zagor | I don't know |
| 21:53:41 | telliott | ok. I'll update just to get rid of the warning anyway. Thankd |
| 21:53:44 | Zagor | ask amiconn, he's our main Archos guy |
| 21:53:49 | B4gder | amiconn is our main archos man |
| 21:53:59 | * | B4gder was too late |
| 21:54:40 | telliott | I want to try the Sansa Clip V1 build when it's fully baked. I have a 2 gig player |
| 21:55:54 | jhMikeS | Zagor: Still here indeed |
| 21:58:25 | Zagor | jhMikeS: my idea was to rename USE_BACKLIGHT_CUSTOM_FADING_BOOL to smply HAVE_BACKLIGHT_HW_FADING. however I just now noticed we also have HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING. what is special about the gigabeat fading? |
| 21:58:55 | Zagor | kugel: I assume your new button code is the last patch in FS #9645? |
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| 22:00:13 | kugel | that's right |
| 22:01:24 | Zagor | kugel: ok, committing it now |
| 22:03:51 | telliott | Does backlight fading work on Archos V1? |
| 22:04:19 | jhMikeS | Zagor: What was on my mind: The S isn't generic and uses the PMIC hardware to fade. If the F/X is given options, it's also a unique method but not hardware. For higher-level code, why should it care of the difference? |
| 22:06:17 | Zagor | jhMikeS: I don't follow you. Wasn't it you who added the new define for gigabeat fading? |
| 22:09:37 | Zagor | telliott: no |
| 22:09:38 | jhMikeS | Zagor: I did but I was thinking that there shouldn't be a different define for each implementation-specific way of doing fading. |
| 22:10:27 | Zagor | jhMikeS: I agree completely. that's why I want to get rid of USE_BACKLIGHT_CUSTOM_FADING_BOOL |
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| 22:10:51 | Zagor | and possibly merge some of the other fading options too |
| 22:10:59 | telliott | Oh well. I love my Archos, upgraded to 120 gigs. I've alwayse said I hope this lasts long enough to large SSD's to become affordable. |
| 22:11:10 | Zagor | ahh, fuze build is green at last |
| 22:11:11 | telliott | for |
| 22:11:12 | jhMikeS | Zagor: But it wasn't intended to be used by S alone. F/X could also define that. Each implements it's own algorthm in the target tree instead. |
| 22:11:40 | B4gder | a green line is nice line! |
| 22:11:59 | Zagor | jhMikeS: do they really need a define at all then? |
| 22:12:43 | jhMikeS | Possibly not except for including the proper bool/int options |
| 22:12:48 | kugel | all yellows gone :) |
| 22:14:13 | kugel | so let's do what we had in mind today |
| 22:14:41 | B4gder | drink champagne and do fireworks? |
| 22:14:54 | kugel | that too :) |
| 22:15:12 | B4gder | :-) |
| 22:15:35 | Zagor | jhMikeS: I don't understand why we have different settings for different fading implementations. in my view HAVE_BACKLIGHT_FADING is enough and then each implementation solves it best it can. |
| 22:15:50 | kugel | even though it doesn't look like I'd do fireworks today/tomorrow |
| 22:16:04 | * | jhMikeS has to cure the headache he currently has so he can be sure only the alcohol is causing it later. |
| 22:17:27 | kugel | Zagor: my idea was to have #define BACKLIGHT_FADE_SETTING_INT/_BOOL depending on the algorithm used, as in PWM is _INT, all others _BOOL |
| 22:17:42 | jhMikeS | Zagor: The beast is constant time but F/X and thread fading depend on the starting level so displaying a time as used in the int version isn't really accurate. |
| 22:18:09 | kugel | and having CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADE == ... |
| 22:18:27 | saratoga | JdGordon: Could I ask you about alternating sublines in gwps-common.c? |
| 22:18:49 | Zagor | I rather want to remove the time settings for PWM. that level of configuration is just silly. next we'll be getting a time setting for fade_on_stop |
| 22:19:19 | * | kugel didn't dare to say that, but agrees ;) |
| 22:19:25 | jhMikeS | I guess they can all be bool then :) |
| 22:19:33 | Zagor | exactly |
| 22:20:01 | jhMikeS | Personally, I think one menu item would nicer with Off/In/Out/Both as the options |
| 22:20:03 | kugel | Zagor: I guess there's some people who disagree though. amiconn for example said he has a long fade out, but a short fade in |
| 22:20:25 | Zagor | yeah well guess who added that code... |
| 22:20:32 | Llorean | The default setting is a short fade in and a long fade out, and I rather like it. |
| 22:20:41 | kugel | jhMikeS: that's what I had in mind too at first, but then we decided to reuse existing LANG strings |
| 22:20:57 | Zagor | Llorean: that sounds very reasonable |
| 22:21:06 | Llorean | It makes sense that the screen should be instantly (or nearly instantly) readable upon button press, but doesn't necessarily need a near-instant out. |
| 22:21:30 | jhMikeS | kugel: yeah, I think I was part of that discussion and just gave in to keeping them mostly alike |
| 22:21:41 | Zagor | default is 0.3s fade-in and 2s fade-out |
| 22:23:14 | Zagor | I vote for hardcoding those values and removing the options, and then unite the fading defines. |
| 22:24:17 | Zagor | kugel: is the last patch of FS #9617 commit ready too? |
| 22:24:23 | * | kugel wonders who'd choose a long fade in anyway, and who'd feel strong about the length of the fade out |
| 22:24:49 | Llorean | Some people might want short/short |
| 22:24:57 | kugel | Zagor: no, I changed the keymap, so it needs sync |
| 22:25:02 | Zagor | kugel: ok |
| 22:25:04 | Llorean | Almost like having fade-in/out off, but a little bit softer than that. |
| 22:25:34 | kugel | should be easy though, mostly use e200 keymap for fuze too |
| 22:26:01 | Zagor | Llorean: but do we really want to cater to every possible opinion? these are really minute details, and they're messing up the code. |
| 22:26:45 | kugel | Llorean: yea, I can imagine people having a short fade out, but I'm wondering who of them will really miss it if they get a hard-coded long one |
| 22:26:49 | Llorean | Zagor: Would it be possible to have "Short in, Long out" and "Short in, Short out" and "Off" as options? |
| 22:27:01 | jhMikeS | Llorean: If they want short, Off is the shortest fade possible. :) |
| 22:27:05 | Llorean | Or is the idea to take away an entire option? |
| 22:27:44 | * | Llorean missed what the exact goal is here, to simplify or to remove. |
| 22:27:45 | Zagor | I want a single bool "fading on/off", and the leave the details to the implementation |
| 22:28:10 | Zagor | fight setting bloat! :-) |
| 22:28:26 | kugel | :) |
| 22:28:31 | Llorean | I would imagine then that the best overall option is short in, long out. |
| 22:28:38 | * | jhMikeS still votes for killing crossfade then |
| 22:29:33 | Zagor | jhMikeS: entirely? that's rather different isn't it? I can agree we could probably shave a few settings off of it though. |
| 22:30:37 | kugel | imho, crossfade is one of those things, where you can safe lots of problems with choosing sane defaults and optimizing the code for it |
| 22:30:38 | jhMikeS | Zagor: It's just something that makes life harder when thinking about improving the playback end. |
| 22:30:52 | Zagor | jhMikeS: ah, indeed |
| 22:31:54 | jhMikeS | Ridiculously long crossfades require a huge pcm buffer just for that. |
| 22:32:02 | saratoga | i've wanted to remove crossfade for ages |
| 22:32:13 | saratoga | and maybe readd it someday when sw playback is more stable |
| 22:32:48 | Zagor | 30 seconds is really a silly long crossfade duration |
| 22:33:06 | Llorean | Crossfade is probably something we should've removed right before 3.0 |
| 22:33:10 | Zagor | and requires a 5.4MB pcm buffer... |
| 22:33:17 | saratoga | lets drop archos support and hwcodec at the same time |
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| 22:33:56 | Zagor | is crossfade buggy, or just messing up the pcm code? |
| 22:34:14 | kugel | back when I used it it wasn't very reliable |
| 22:34:26 | kugel | never turned it on again since then |
| 22:34:59 | Llorean | Zagor: It's been buggy on and off. I think it works right now except maybe across directory changes |
| 22:35:17 | Llorean | Like auto-change-directory directory changes, that is |
| 22:36:29 | Zagor | it sure would streamline pcm a lot... otoh I a can imagine it is a bit of a crowd pleaser, isn't it? |
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| 22:36:38 | saratoga | is HWCODEC gapless for mp3? |
| 22:37:02 | Zagor | saratoga: for lame-gapless files, yes |
| 22:37:31 | Llorean | I thought HWCODEC required properly cut files, not just lame tags. |
| 22:38:14 | Zagor | as I remember, lame has an option to not use the bit reservoir at the end of the track |
| 22:38:22 | saratoga | i'm actually kind of surprised that crossfading worked at all on PP until recently |
| 22:38:35 | saratoga | mp3 wasn't even 2x real time until the COP patch went in |
| 22:38:39 | Llorean | Zagor: I thought it was just that it still need to be cut on the end of a frame. |
| 22:39:02 | Llorean | I wouldn't be against cutting crossfade for the time being, though. |
| 22:39:18 | saratoga | the nogap thing in lame just cuts tracks so that each is an integer number of frames long, thus no gaps |
| 22:39:29 | saratoga | i assume we support proper gapless in lame though for hwcodec |
| 22:39:33 | * | kugel thinks removing it altogether is a bit too much |
| 22:40:06 | jhMikeS | saratoga: int number of frames? I thought it cut the filter delay away which isn't always 1152 samples. |
| 22:40:06 | saratoga | well i guess now that we have releases if anyone really wants it, they could stick with an older release |
| 22:40:25 | Llorean | "Crossfade as a feature never worked satisfactorily and complicates playback code to the point where improvements are far more difficult until they have to be. Until/unless someone comes forward and re-implements it in a better way it will be removed from future builds" or something like that sounds fine to me. |
| 22:40:25 | saratoga | jhMikeS: not sure what you mean |
| 22:40:36 | Llorean | *than they have to be. |
| 22:41:18 | saratoga | i think no gap just borrows samples from adjoining tracks so that the number of samples in all but the first and last track are an integer multiple of the subband decomposition size |
| 22:41:38 | saratoga | which is why it sometimes adds bits of the next track to the present track |
| 22:41:56 | jhMikeS | saratoga: The encoded mp3 with the padding is always an int number of frames. |
| 22:44:01 | Zagor | does lame have another setting than −−nores? that one disables the bit reservoir, which means each frame is atomic and can be cut/joined gaplessly |
| 22:44:19 | saratoga | Zagor: i was referring to −−nogap |
| 22:45:01 | saratoga | jhMikeS: yeah i know that the decoded is always an int number of frames, but the incoming PCM isn't, which is all I meant |
| 22:45:03 | jhMikeS | Zagor: I think that is in regard to the editable option |
| 22:45:20 | * | kugel is a bit surprised that Llorean actually votes for removing an existing feature |
| 22:45:45 | jhMikeS | saratoga: I misread what you meant then. |
| 22:45:56 | saratoga | i think playback is sort of a special case since no one has been very satisfied with the state of it for many years now |
| 22:46:15 | Zagor | saratoga: ah right. −−nogap works when encoding a whole album. −−nores works for individual tracks (with some size penalty) |
| 22:46:18 | Llorean | kugel: I vote for removing it because it's apparently done badly. I'd like it very much if it comes back if someone can rewrite it to work better and cause less problems for code maintenance. |
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| 22:46:35 | Llorean | But I'd rather have it gone and everything else work better if that's what's necessary |
| 22:46:47 | kugel | yea, I understand |
| 22:47:04 | saratoga | frankly it always seemed a sort of silly feature anyway given that we're fully gapless |
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| 22:47:27 | kugel | I think removing some/most/all of the configurability will already make life easier with crossfade |
| 22:47:31 | Llorean | saratoga: People like it for parties and such. |
| 22:47:47 | Zagor | I'm not sure it is necessary for improvement. at least my impression from reading the pcm/buffering/playback code have not made me want to rip out crossfade. |
| 22:47:48 | Llorean | Without crossfade you still have distinct ends/beginnings. |
| 22:47:53 | saratoga | if you really want crossfading you could just encode the tracks with a crossfade built in and our playback engine would give the same effect thanks to gapless |
| 22:48:01 | saratoga | LLorean: ah good point |
| 22:48:25 | saratoga | Zagor: well lets keep the idea on the table |
| 22:48:38 | saratoga | if someone steps up and wants to work on it, we consider it, otherwise, leave it in |
| 22:48:43 | Zagor | I'm not hard to convince about simplifying code :-) |
| 22:49:02 | saratoga | no sense pulling a feature if no one is working on playback anyway |
| 22:50:31 | Zagor | well I'm doing a bit of work on it, and might want to do more. |
| 22:50:38 | jhMikeS | The worst thing is the huge buffer which if late DSP is ever done, doubles the size since 32-bit samples are backlogged instead of 16-bit. |
| 22:51:33 | Zagor | and I would welcome testing of FS #9703 on targets I don't have |
| 22:53:01 | * | jhMikeS also would love to get rid of that ATA mutex hack for 60/80GB video and the real problem identified. |
| 22:53:13 | saratoga | i just want to see stable playback on my sansa without a 2 second delay between when i click a new track and when the old one stops playing |
| 22:55:07 | kugel | huh? 2s? it's more like 0.2s to me |
| 22:55:33 | kugel | a bit more if the next is unbuffered/skipping backwards |
| 22:55:48 | Zagor | I would actually like to commit FS #9703 to get broader testing. I don't know of any problems with it. |
| 22:56:12 | saratoga | kugel: for me at least it seems quite random, sometimes its less then a second, other times it seems to take forever |
| 22:56:20 | saratoga | Zagor: go for it! |
| 22:56:22 | kugel | Zagor: except 1, but that's unsupported :) |
| 22:56:42 | Zagor | kugel: yeah well our fuze owner base isn't likely to be very annoyed :-) |
| 22:57:31 | kugel | I think the patch is good, no matter of the problems my fuze has with it, and should go in soon |
| 22:58:03 | kugel | it should also give a bit more battery life time (if even measurable), right? |
| 22:58:25 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:59:20 | kugel | perfect |
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| 23:05:19 | * | jhMikeS notices "(spinup / HZ) + 1.5" in the patch :) |
| 23:05:46 | kugel | oh is that still in? I already told Zagor about that |
| 23:07:02 | jhMikeS | In the last one posted there, yes |
| 23:08:23 | Zagor | ah, heh |
| 23:08:36 | kugel | uhm |
| 23:09:07 | kugel | listening to a flac, my sansa is really unresponsive |
| 23:09:23 | kugel | backlight fade takes ages |
| 23:10:12 | kugel | fine without playback |
| 23:10:24 | kugel | fine with mp3 |
| 23:10:48 | saratoga | is anyone here familar with the code for doing alternating lines in the WPS? |
| 23:11:49 | kugel | not so fine with ogg |
| 23:12:08 | Llorean | saratoga: Don't you just separate lines with a ;? |
| 23:12:35 | Llorean | Possibly with the %t (I think) tag for display time? |
| 23:12:49 | * | kugel tries a current build |
| 23:15:36 | kugel | current build is fine |
| 23:15:55 | saratoga | Llorean: i'm trying to figure out how the code for updating those works so i can fix fs#8523 |
| 23:16:08 | kugel | Zagor: there's apparently some problems with your patch |
| 23:16:31 | saratoga | it sounds like the only bug known with that patch is that the counters for the subline updates don't get reset after switching the display off |
| 23:17:07 | Zagor | kugel: those flac+fade issues are with my patch? |
| 23:17:10 | Llorean | saratoga: Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the in-wps code. |
| 23:17:13 | * | Llorean wasn't thinking |
| 23:17:38 | kugel | Zagor: yes, but it's also with mp3 (not so bad, but noticeable) and ogg (even worse than flac) |
| 23:18:03 | Zagor | kugel: you might want to say that earlier :-) |
| 23:18:25 | Zagor | I'll test it too |
| 23:18:25 | kugel | sorry, I just tested it on my sansa |
| 23:22:06 | kugel | jhMikeS, saratoga: I think FS #8523 should be dependent on lcd_enable and/or lcd_sleep, those indicate well if the screen is readable without backlight |
| 23:22:51 | saratoga | kugel: verses just a define in the config files? |
| 23:23:39 | kugel | saratoga: well, given that lcd is pretty much always disabled without backlight once HAVE_LCD_ENABLE is defined, an extra define seems a bit redundant to me |
| 23:24:17 | saratoga | kugel: so HAVE_LCD_ENABLE tells you if the LCD will be turned off? |
| 23:24:54 | kugel | if implemented, yes. The backlight driver I looked at do lcd_enable(false) in backlight_off() |
| 23:25:49 | saratoga | but we probably want to have this dependent on the preprocessor not runtime checks |
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| 23:26:18 | kugel | HAVE_LCD_ENABLE is a preprocessor define |
| 23:26:36 | kugel | which just says if a lcd_enable function is implemented, which in turns may disable the lcd |
| 23:26:46 | saratoga | ah ok misunderstood you |
| 23:27:55 | kugel | and I'd think that only on targets being unreadable without backlight such a function is used with backlight_off |
| 23:32:10 | saratoga | does cabbiev2 use alternating WPS lines? |
| 23:33:02 | jhMikeS | kugel: I'll give a look |
| 23:34:45 | * | jhMikeS wonders how the screen is refreshed properly when the lcd comes back on |
| 23:37:56 | kugel | jhMikeS: lcd_enable does lcd_update |
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| 23:40:07 | jhMikeS | kugel: it depends on the contents of the framebuffer being current |
| 23:40:27 | jhMikeS | I mentioned something there that mpegplayer uses to update the YUV |
| 23:40:29 | Zagor | kugel: which target do you have slow fading with? my c200 has no problems. |
| 23:40:44 | kugel | e200 |
| 23:41:00 | kugel | not only slow fading, scrolling through lists is a pain too |
| 23:41:23 | Zagor | odd |
| 23:41:49 | Zagor | I don't see any difference from svn |
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| 23:50:32 | Zagor | testing on e200 now and still don't see anything slow or painful. can you try my build? |
| 23:51:31 | jhMikeS | check the OS Stacks screen and see if the codec thread priority is elevated for some reason? |
| 23:52:16 | kugel | data abort now :/ |
| 23:52:35 | kugel | at 0x90d0 |
| 23:53:20 | Zagor | wow |
| 23:54:38 | kugel | codec is at 18%, audio at 56% |
| 23:54:53 | kugel | it also sleems to get slower overtime |
| 23:55:53 | jhMikeS | Priority is the "16 16" bit. The % is maximum stack usage so far. |
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| 23:57:33 | Zagor | my stack view shows less elevated for flac than for mp3... |
| 23:58:08 | Zagor | kugel: 18% sounds low |
| 23:58:20 | kugel | codec is "S 9 9 18%", but sometimes jump to "*R 10 10 %18" |
| 23:58:45 | Zagor | *R just means running. +R means elevated. |
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