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#rockbox log for 2009-02-03

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00:19:59mcuelenaereanyone able to understand what DR and START do in this schematic? (I've left out the unrelated parts) http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=37359
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00:24:06bertrikSTART is connected to UART_CTS, where CTS means clear to send IIRC, telling the other side of the serial link that it's ok to send more data
00:24:16bertrikDR could mean something like data ready
00:24:37bertriknot sure what U1 does
00:25:32bertrikSSI = synchronous serial interface or something like that?
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00:38:09mcuelenaerebertrik: you can ignore the connections on the SoC side, those are used as general GPIO ports; I meant the stuff on the left
00:38:13mcuelenaereoh, you left
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01:48:20casainhohello again :-)
01:48:59casainhocan someon tell me if load_firmware() first clears the buffer to where it will put the data?
01:49:55kadobanhas anyone used tools/release/bins.pl recently? it seems to just be doing a dry-run and i can't tell why (if I turn on verbose it prints the messages saying that it's doing the right things, but nothing actually happens and it's going /way/ too quickly for it to be doing the actual builds)
01:50:08JdGordoncasainho: why does it make a difference?
01:50:46casainhoJdGordon: because I am always having bad checksums....
01:50:55casainhoand with random values...
01:51:07JdGordonare you sure you are reading the data from the disk correctly?
01:51:17JdGordonthats what was happening with the sansa v2's
01:51:33casainhoyes, because I implemensted the CRC16 check from the SD Card....
01:52:09casainhoso, how did the developers get arround that problem on sansa V2?
01:52:35JdGordonthe problem there was they wernt reading the data from the sd card correctly
01:53:15casainhook, but do you know if they are doing the CRC test?
01:53:26JdGordonthey are
01:53:36casainhobecause I think we can do it or just ignore
01:53:54kadobancasainho: if the CRC is failing, ignoring the problem seems like not the right answer
01:53:54casainhoso, they could know if they were getting it correctly or not, no?
01:54:14casainhokadoban: my CRC is not failing, is correct
01:54:26kadobancasainho: then there's no problem, right? :)
01:54:28casainhowell, the CRC16 on SD Card
01:54:45casainhono, I have bad checksum on load_firmware()
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02:00:31casainhoso, does anyone can tell me if load_firmware() clears the loadbuffer? or I need to do that?
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02:04:36linuxstbcasainho: No, load_firmware() doesn't clear its buffer - it doesn't need to (and you don't).
02:05:20casainholinuxstb: that buffer don't have a fixed size?
02:05:42kugelit does
02:05:54motionman95Hello?
02:06:14motionman95hello?
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02:06:37evilnickmotionman95: Hello
02:06:49casainhomy question is, the checksum is just of the size on the firmware size or of all that fixed beffer size?
02:06:56motionman95whoops, mis type...
02:08:09kugelcasainho: the crc is a simple checksum created by scramble. and it does only cover the binary
02:09:00motionman95Hello! Does anyone here have some free time and would help me fix some rockbox code?
02:10:00casainhokugel: linuxstb , I am getting a bad checksum, with random values... but not so random, for example, the first 3 numbers are equal to the original checksum
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02:11:02casainhosince I am loading the data from the SD Card and I get a CRC16 from each 512 bytes block, I am verifying it and reading again for each fail,(and I think I am not geting any fail)
02:11:37linuxstbcasainho: As a test, you could try clearing the buffer. The checksum is just a simple sum, so if the first 3 numbers match, that may mean that the data is _almost_ correct, but you are missing some bytes.
02:11:59casainhoyes, is like that!!!
02:12:47casainhobut I don't know where I am missing it... I just know that the piece of memory where I am putting the buffer is not cleared... at least I am not doing it anywhere
02:13:14kugelcasainho: what's your buffer size?
02:13:20linuxstbThe checksum is only calculated on the bytes read from the SD card - not the spare space at the end of the buffer.
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02:14:16casainhokugel: buffer_size = (int)(loadbuffer + (4 * 0x100000));
02:14:24casainholinuxstb: ah, okok....
02:14:59casainholinuxstb: so, I wounder why I am getting random checksums..... :-(
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02:19:41casainhowell, I will try to discover tomorrow.. now time to sleep :-)
02:19:46casainhogood night :-)
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03:30:16Hoe``anything interesting in the works?
03:31:19Hoe``wait, wrong chan :)
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04:18:58LoloLOthis is funny that the project is called rockbox
04:19:57evilnickIt is?
04:19:58LoloLOin china most of the media player are based on a chip called "Rockchip"
04:20:09LoloLOi think this is arm based too (?)
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04:21:01LoloLOalthough you can find those players with big LCD screen for like $30
04:21:12LoloLOplaying movies, mp3 etc etc
04:21:18evilnickhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10428.0
04:21:44LoloLOevilnick here you go :)
04:22:04LoloLOchina is invaded by this SoC
04:22:11LambdaCalculus37LoloLO: This isn't a social channel.
04:22:43LoloLOLambdaCalculus37 but this is late in Europe everybody's sleeping
04:23:01LambdaCalculus37It doesn't matter. This channel is logged.
04:23:11LoloLOsorry
04:23:26LambdaCalculus37That means off-topic chatter fills the logs with dreck that people have to sift through to find information.
04:23:59evilnickLoloLO: There is also #rockbox-community for non-Rockbox related chat. All the info that we have is in the thread that I linked to.
04:24:00LoloLOi think this is not off-topic, maybe there is a link between the rockchip and the rockbox ?
04:24:34LoloLOits not like i am talking of a TV show or something mmmh
04:24:39LambdaCalculus37There's no link between the two.
04:25:03LoloLOok
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05:01:25coileyI have registered (per RockBox wiki instructions) in order to create a RockBox wiki page regarding common repairs to Sansa devices. The wiki instructions say that I should next "ask for write permission [on IRC]". So this is me asking for wiki write permission. −− coiley
05:01:55saratogawhats your name, i'll add you
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05:02:11coileyScott Coiley ScottCoiley
05:03:03saratogaok added
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05:04:40coileyAny quick suggestions on where a novice should start in creating a RB wiki? Disregard if I should just figure it out on my own. It's cool. −− coiley
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05:06:48saratogaprobably just look at the other repair wiki pages and duplicate that for the sansa, then link it from the sansa main wiki entry
05:08:51coileyThanks. [quit]
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06:41:57kadobana while ago i mentioned that i couldn't get tools/release/bins.pl to work on my system. here's a patch in case anyone ran into the same: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9867
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06:45:54coileyI added my silly little Sansa repair wiki at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaRepairs. How (or when?) does it get connected to a refering page? or is there something that I heve left undone? Thanks −− coiley
06:47:15kadobancoiley: find the correct place to add a reference, and add it :) if you have write access, you should have permissions to do that as well
06:48:00coileySo I have to edit someone-else's article?
06:48:17coileyCan do
06:48:20coileyJust ask
06:48:38kadobancoiley: yeah, it seems a little odd at first, but that's how wiki works :)
06:48:42coileySorry. This is really stretching my brain
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06:49:05coileyGood enough. I'm gone
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07:11:40coileyJust a quick thanks to someone(s) for the wiki help. That edit privilege is key ;-)... and it's EVERYWHERE now! And I don't think I can thank enough people enough for RockBox. RockBox is from non-voracious people. That is so different - and excepional. Thanks again. −− coiley
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08:45:56jhMikeSIs CONTEXT_STOPSEARCHING intended to stop searching the current button context or to stop searching buttons immediately? Given there's LAST_ITEM_IN_LIST__NEXTLIST I would expect the latter but it ends up making another call which returns standard context buttons anyway.
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08:50:16mDemocritushowdy... i'm trying to make the rockbox bootloader for my creative zen vision:m so i can try helping with the port, i get an error when running mkzenboot, decrypted length of encoded block is too large 0xf38a60de. i've tried searching, but apparently my brain is too tired to search right
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08:58:54mDemocritusand apparently my brain is too tired to ask a question... anyone know what i'm missing, or what i should search for, or what else i should try?
08:59:37B4gderthere's really not that many creative hackers in the rockbox community, so I would recommend posting in the forum thread about your player
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09:00:08B4gderour "main man" on creative isn't around here atm
09:01:40mDemocritusB4gder: ok thank you. i had a hunch there wouldn't be many especially since it's a new port. maybe i'll search better tomorrow when i'm ducking responsibilities at work :)
09:01:57B4gderthere's the spirit! ;-)
09:02:10*B4gder teaches that ducking skill
09:03:32mDemocrituspshaw, i need no instructions on ducking... i'm a senior tech support rep for an outsourcing firm. who's the "main man" for creative?
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09:08:56mDemocrituswell, time to get to bed before i spam the channel with my head hitting the keyboard. thanks again, B4gder
09:09:50B4gdermcuelenaere is
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09:10:14B4gdermDemocritus: night!
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10:12:44ReconMarineIs anyone here able to answer questions about the software?
10:13:08B4gdertry asking and you'll find out!
10:13:46ReconMarineI need to know about compatability with my player
10:13:59B4gderthen read the rockbox.org front page
10:14:19ReconMarineI have a generic MP3 MP4 player from Orbit The ThunderX
10:14:29B4gderthere's no such thing as a "generic" player
10:14:49B4gderif the model isn't explicitly mentioned on the front page as supported, it isn't
10:15:38B4gderI've never even heard of that player before...
10:15:59ReconMarineI guess that prevents you from answering the questions then doesn't it
10:16:07B4gderno it doesn't
10:16:35ReconMarineIt looks like an Ipod Nano, the tall skinny one with the round dial in the center
10:16:47B4gderthe look doesn't matter
10:16:49scorche[02:14:51] <B4gder> if the model isn't explicitly mentioned on the front page as supported, it isn't
10:17:11ZagorReconMarine: it may looks like an ipod nano but it is something completely different.
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10:17:33ReconMarineHence the reason I said it was generic, and not an Ipod
10:17:35*Zagor sprinkles too many 's'...
10:17:46B4gderReconMarine: and I already explained the situation...
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10:18:14ZagorReconMarine: as b4gder said, there are no "generic" players. every single itty bitty player needs to be supported explicitly.
10:18:23pixelmaisn't supported meaning Rockbox won't work on it
10:19:13ReconMarineIf you have never heard of it, how do you know it isn't since you do not know what chip is inside of it? Which brings me to the question of how I find out what chip is in the player
10:19:24B4gderReconMarine: you rip it open
10:19:30B4gderscan the pcb
10:19:35B4gdergoogle for the parts
10:19:39ReconMarineright......
10:19:41B4gderask in forums for that player
10:20:00ZagorReconMarine: we know because we write the software. and we haven't written any for that player.
10:20:08B4gderand NO players are working until we make SPECIFIC support for them
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10:20:22B4gderand since we haven't for this, we KNOW rockbox doesn't work on it
10:20:52B4gderbut it probably be made to
10:20:56B4gdergiven enough effort and time
10:21:10Zagorthese are not generic pc-type machines. every single player has different hardware and needs custom code to be written.
10:22:17ReconMarinehttp://www.orbitronics.com/subcat.asp?cat=3&subcat=4&lan= that is the company, never heard of it? and this is the specific player http://www.orbitronics.com/prodDetails.asp?prodId=657&lan=
10:22:24scorcheif you still dont believe us, feel free to try to install rockbox ;)
10:23:14ReconMarinehow about I keep asking relevent questions, instead of playing the part of an idiot and just "installing" the software there scorche
10:23:24*B4gder bets on one of the chinese hw setups
10:23:35scorchenot only do we have to program specifically for each individual piece of hardware in the device, but we have to figure out how to get our code to run as well..
10:24:00ZagorReconMarine: there are hundreds of different brands of players on the market. we tend to focus on the big names since they have a somewhat larger user base.
10:24:25B4gderand simply the ones devs care about
10:24:41B4gderstart working on this and we'
10:24:45B4gderll start caring ;-)
10:25:21B4gderit being a (max) 2GB player it does however sound a bit outdated already
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10:26:03ReconMarineAh so sitting around popping off smartass comments is better than answering relevent questions........different irc room, different names, same smartass children.
10:26:12ReconMarinethanks for nothing
10:26:15B4gderbye bye
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10:26:21Zagorjeez
10:26:23scorchehaha...right then
10:29:27B4gderwe did answer the questions...
10:29:52pixelmavery patiently even
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10:57:13Jaykayis there any commit in the last 500 ones that could increase battery runtime >1h? or is it normal that many commits do their part for a longer runtime?
10:59:23Jaykayi did two benches with .ogg ~256 kbps, one with r19396 (18:03) and with r19894 (19:18)
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11:01:00ZagorJaykay: I can't think of any specific one, but I haven't been paying full attention either.
11:02:04Jaykayi guess fining out of the reason is not worth the effort
11:02:07Jaykay*finding
11:02:25B4gdernot when the direction is fine methinks
11:03:07Jaykayok
11:04:22Jaykaybtw if someone has a idea how i could do a helpful battery bench (with some settings, codecs etc) just write me....
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11:08:07Jaykaymaybe you could write the idea, maybe also in a way that helps me :)
11:09:28BigBambiSorry, you said just write me
11:09:39BigBambiJaykay: Generally you want to compare to the OF
11:10:02BigBambiJaykay: So that means chosing settings that are available in both, and generally turning everything off
11:10:20BigBambiThen you want to pick a codec that is playable in both
11:10:57BigBambiThen pick a playlist that is bigger than the music buffer, put it on repeat and wait :)
11:11:04*JdGordon thinks rasher to get to work on a distributed runtime bencher for every build...
11:11:23Jaykayoh yes that would be nice ;)
11:12:05Jaykayis there a nice way to find out the runtime of the OF? except connecting it with a microphone of a computer
11:12:10BigBambiI like to connect the output to a recorder so that I have a good record on both OF and rockbox exactly when the music output stopped
11:12:18BigBambiJaykay: That is the best way
11:12:29BigBambiJaykay: Otherwise you will end up having to stare at the player
11:12:44BigBambiAlso, if yoy record both in the same way, then you have the same load on both
11:13:42Jaykaynot a comfortable solution...
11:14:03Jaykaybut maybe illl try next time..
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11:17:12bluefoxxso with the coming release [or planned release at least] of 'sdxc', will rockbox adapt to provide support for those cards as well, on applicable players?
11:18:00B4gdercare to name a few players on which we'd have the option on?
11:18:14B4gdervapor vapor vapor
11:18:48bluefoxxe200 perhaphs?
11:18:55bluefoxxsince rockbox does sdhc on them
11:19:17bluefoxxit would definately extend the life of the player a fair bit
11:19:29B4gderwell, when the spec comes and the card comes and they can in fact be bought by mortals, then we'll see
11:19:35kadobanis sdxc even a spec. yet? seems a little early...
11:19:45B4gdera _little_ yes
11:19:51bluefoxxhttp://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc/
11:19:53B4gderit's little more than just words right now
11:20:10kadoban"pending release"
11:20:34B4gderyes, the spec
11:20:54bluefoxxjust me being curious as to if i will have to buy a new player if i want more than ~38 gigs of storage on a rockboxed player
11:21:06B4gderbluefoxx: but how can anyone tell?
11:21:20B4gderis your 32GB usd already full?
11:21:25B4gdermicrosd
11:21:31bluefoxxno, but my 6 gig player and 8 gig card are
11:22:09bluefoxxand i could easily fill an additional 18 given chance
11:22:15FlynDiceHow do I get access to the ams 3525 data sheet?
11:22:58B4gderyou participate as a rockbox dev
11:23:50GodEater_and sign the contract in your own blood
11:23:55GodEater_don't forget that B4gder
11:24:27FlynDicespecial dance I gotta do too?
11:27:43JaykayFlynDice: i dont think so
11:28:21Jaykayits quite easy to become a rckbox dev, you know
11:30:12Jaykaydid anyone look into http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8523 in the past few deys/weeks?
11:33:31FlynDiceok I'll bite, how does one become a rockbox dev...?
11:34:56BigBambistart deving :)
11:35:21Jaykayim not a developer, but i think creating good patches and submitting them in the tracker is a good start
11:35:32kadobanall it takes is a compiler and a dream
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11:40:23JdGordonkadoban: not even a dream... just an itch is enough to get going
11:44:17kadoban:)
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11:52:46Jaykaywheres the right place to suggest patches for committing?
11:53:23Jaykayhere in irc someone said "write it to the -dev list", in the dev list someone said "post a comment to the tasks" and in the tracker i dont get answers.
11:53:49JdGordonthere should be a message in the tracker to suggest here... :D
11:54:35Jaykaythat is missing, right :)
11:54:49JdGordon... the basic answer is you dont... you just hope someone interested will see your patch
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11:55:51Jaykaynot my patch... i have some in my mind which are helpful... but they "rot" in the tracker
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12:11:26Jaykaya question about the function of the patch tracker... should all patches either be committed or closed, or is it a collecting point of ideas, or what?
12:12:26JdGordonthe first
12:14:31gevaertsActually, you missed a third option :)
12:14:44gevaertsThey should be worked on until ready to commit, and then committed
12:14:47Jaykaydo the other devs think the same about it? e.g. Zagor committed two patche (FS #9797 and 9800m zero wait boost) but said after a while they will never be commited, they are a sort of "research-patches"...
12:15:23Jaykaygevaerts: i meant that with the first option, sorry :)
12:15:40JdGordonwell.. usually devs dont close other devs patches...
12:15:47BigBambiJaykay: But in the case of those, the ideas from them might well be
12:16:01BigBambiI read it as more him saying that they will never be committed in the current form
12:16:07gevaertsJaykay: "research" patches are something special I think
12:16:13Jaykayok :)
12:16:14BigBambiAnd the patches being there allow other devs to chip in too
12:16:57BigBambiJaykay: It is different if the feature is not wanted, then they would be closed
12:18:19JdGordoneven then not always... sometimes we play nice and leave unwanted features (that are active) in the track
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13:56:26mcuelenaeregevaerts: I was wondering, does the USB stack work with sector size > 512?
13:56:49mcuelenaereI've tried it once and it didn't do much (I've didn't do extensive testing though)
13:57:09mcuelenaeres/I've didn't/I didn't/
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14:10:50mcuelenaerewow, USB transfer with logf: 2,7MB/s; without logf: 3,7MB/s
14:12:44Zagorthat's not bad
14:13:05mcuelenaereand that's even with bad host->device USB implementation
14:13:13mcuelenaerebut of course it's only host->device transfer
14:13:18mcuelenaereehm reverse
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14:36:01LambdaCalculus37Yahoo, jhMikeS' recent Gigabeat remote commit works nicely on my beast. :)
14:36:15BigBambi_yep :)
14:36:38LambdaCalculus37Now I have a good reason to take the remote out with me. ;)
14:36:58LambdaCalculus37Although I wish Toshiba made an LCD remote like iriver and Cowon did.
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14:43:36Casainhohello :-)
14:43:52CasainhoI would like to know what is "fd", that "static int open_internal(const char* pathname, int flags, bool use_cache)" returns...
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14:44:50Zagorfile descriptor. it's just a value that you pass to read/write/close so they know which file to work on.
14:45:17CasainhoI would like to understand what means open a file, why we need first to open it and what the functions returns.. a pointer to some data?
14:45:39CasainhoZagor: ah, okok.
14:46:56CasainhoZagor: I am getting bad checksum from reading from my SD Card, and I was thinking in read the firmware file (which have randon checksum values) and write it again on SD Card
14:47:48Casainhoso, I am expecting to be able to create a new file, reading from a memory buffer and writing it to the new SD Card file...
14:48:33CasainhoI can use "write_file()" creates a file if it do not exists?
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16:07:07Zagorpatches are inherently text-based
16:07:47kadobanwhat is traditionally done with images, like for the manual? attach them in a separate zip?
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16:08:19LambdaCalculus37Manual images are PNG.
16:08:45GodEater_and if you're submitting new images for the manual, then yes, a seperate zip would be lovely.
16:08:52kadobanthanks
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17:02:35GodEater_any ideas on a location / time frame for devcon this year ?
17:03:12LambdaCalculus37I'm thinking it'll be about late spring/early summer again.
17:03:33LambdaCalculus37And what about a DevConWest this year?
17:03:52*GodEater_ will read responses when he gets home
17:04:13scorche|shdevconwest will happen if enough people come
17:05:05scorche|shhowever, these discussions usually work best in mailing list form
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19:23:45rvvs89Hello there #rockbox
19:24:34rvvs89Is anyone aware of a build of ipodpatcher for Linux that does not check for the Apple copyright header in the firmware?
19:27:01bertrikI don't know of any such build, but it's probably quite easy to modify the source code for that and recompile
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19:31:15LambdaCalculus37Although can we ask why you're in need of a change like that in iPodpatcher?
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19:37:09rvvs89LambdaCalculus37: It's not an unreasonable request, ipodpatcher is itself able to overwrite the apple copyright, but subsequently unable to perform any further changes since it expects it to be there
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19:38:40rvvs89A −−force option would be appropriate
19:40:04LambdaCalculus37scorche: Ahh, okay.
19:40:18LambdaCalculus37rvvs89: Forgiving me for asking. I didn't know until scorche pointed it out.
19:40:56rvvs89No problem
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20:47:46mcuelenaeremDemocritus: you had some questions regarding the ZVM bootloader earlier today?
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21:04:35Toni1Hi there
21:05:07Toni1Anyone against committing the latest patch in FS #8663?
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21:06:03Toni1I hope, it will solve the '2bytes inserted' bug on the Sansa e200 and c200.
21:06:18*gevaerts is not against :)
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21:07:03gevaertsdesowin_: do you still have your sansa and your printer?
21:08:00kugelToni1: No, commit please!
21:08:17kugelI've been using USB etc since the first stable patch, no problems at all
21:08:17Toni1gevaerts, do you think usb can enabled, if the writing is bugfree then?
21:08:31kugel(I know this isn't a quite USB issue)
21:08:50kugelToni1: I think there's still this resetting problem
21:08:57Toni1kugel, you have also an e200, right?
21:09:00kugelyes
21:09:01gevaertsToni1: maybe as a setting. USB is still pretty much unusable on some setups
21:09:57kugelthe problem is imo, that even if file transfer is working, we cannot say USB is working.
21:10:31kugelsince there's still this resetting problem (which doesn't seem to cause corruption though), and that people with HUBs tend to have instable connections
21:10:35kugelcorrect me if I'm wrong
21:10:46*gevaerts corrects kugel :)
21:10:58pixelmait was pretty much unusable on my PC's USB front ports
21:11:19pixelmalast time I tried, need to update myself on this ;)
21:11:22gevaertskugel: it can cause corruption in extreme cases, as it can basically throw the sansa off the bus, which is equivalent to unplugging unsafely
21:11:54kugelhm, then linux handled it goodly when I had the 5 resets during transfering the 3.2GB image
21:12:03kugelas you already said, I was lucky
21:12:08gevaertss/sansa/player/
21:12:15kugelgoodly=well, no?
21:12:53n1syes
21:12:59gevaertskugel: if you get a few resets now and then, it won't throw it off the bus, but on some setups even basic enumeration is hit and miss. On those, anything can happen
21:13:22Toni1gevaerts, any idea what causes the resets?
21:13:33desowin_gevaerts: yes, and you're lucky enough, i'm home!
21:13:46kugelToni1: btw, I had 3.3+ MB/s (without serialize_writes, using the patch I uploaded), not any slower than the OF
21:14:01gevaertsdesowin_: great! If your setup survives with Toni1's patch, *any* setup will survive :)
21:14:08kugelok, I didn't messure it exactly, but 1 song/s is what I get using the OF too
21:14:30Toni1kugel, I am far from OF performance. Still I would like to get rid of the of.
21:14:41kugelso i do
21:15:06kugelyour patch works on my pc as well as on my notebook, I'm ready to wipe the OF
21:15:14gevaertsToni1: there has been a lot of speculation. It's almost certainly some portalplayer initialisation issue as the gigabeat S with the same controller on a different SoC works perfectly. Whether that means RAM setup, cache issue or clocking is much less clear
21:15:29kugelI already wiped the OFs bootloader many month ago (so I've basically only the system folder)
21:15:53desowin_ sd_write_sectors_diff_v2.diff - this one?
21:16:18Toni1desowin, yes
21:17:12kugelcommit commit commit :)
21:17:27*gevaerts still doesn't understand at all how this printer could make a difference
21:17:28Toni1ok,ok, I feel encouraged :)
21:17:43desowin_gevaerts: believe me, it does
21:17:55pixelmait would also need to pass amiconn's hub test ;)
21:18:09gevaertsdesowin_: I do believe it, but since I don't understand it it's purely faith :)
21:23:08*kugel sees the build table being busy
21:23:09kugelyay
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21:24:17desowin_anyone can tell me what was the define to enable rockbox usb?
21:24:27gevaertsdesowin_: -DUSE_ROCKBOX_USB
21:25:42kugelToni1: what about SERIALIZE_WRITES?
21:26:13Toni1kugel, in the next commit
21:26:26kugelok
21:26:40kugelI was just curious, since your latest patch didn't have that too
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21:28:14Toni1I prefer a two step approach here
21:28:38*gevaerts agrees
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21:36:26Toni1see you
21:36:37*gevaerts waves
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21:37:20kugeluhm
21:38:19*kugel thinks that, since all tests have been made without SERIALIZE_WRITES anyway, this could've been removed now too
21:39:01gevaertskugel: true, but the tests have only been done by very few people
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21:39:16*desowin_ is still testing
21:40:06kugelgevaerts: well, apparently enough people to trust the commit change, but not enough to trust the SERIALIZE_WRITES change
21:40:48kugelanyway, on the other hand, that's not as major as the 2byte bug
21:41:37gevaertsexactly. There's no reason to rush things :)
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21:42:51desowin_I/O error here... I'll try formatting that partition (it could be corrupted before)
21:43:32gevaertsI/O error is probably a USB issue I think
21:43:45desowin_fat directory bread
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21:46:27gevaertsdesowin_: USB or just out of range?
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21:48:34desowin_err, usb: device firmware changed??
21:48:51gevaerts?
21:48:52desowin_I don't think I've seen this before
21:48:59desowin_gevaerts: in dmesg
21:49:42*gevaerts has never seen that either
21:51:34*amiconn thinks that r19911 is weird
21:51:35kugelgevaerts: you think we could post a "custom build" into the forums, enabling rockbox usb and disabling serialize_writes for testing? (like it was done with the IAP patch)
21:52:46gevaertskugel: SERIALIZE_WRITES can probably go soon, but usb is very different from iap in that we don't need testing to know that it's buggy
21:53:31kugelwell, but it would surely be intersting in how big the percentage of problematic setups is
21:53:32desowin_there aren't bug-free things anyway ;)
21:54:12gevaertskugel: not really. *all* setups are problematic, some are just less so than others
21:54:46kugelcould it be related to boosting? is rockbox boosting while in usb?
21:55:06gevaertsIt is, yes. It doesn't work at all without boosting
21:55:15kugeluh
21:55:24*gevaerts thinks that that is actually a clue
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21:56:24kugelthen we a) boost wrongly, or b) not enough :)
21:56:39gevaerts(a) maybe, (b), no
21:56:48*gevaerts has tested with an overclocked ipod :)
21:56:49kugelhence the smily after b)
21:57:00*kugel wonders if the zero boost patch changes anything, it changes how boosting works
21:57:36kugelzero-wait boost, rather
21:57:41gevaertsBut yes, as far as I know, it could be a clock setup issue. This doesn't mean much as I don't know much about clocking though
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21:58:52kugelI don't know PP very well, but on the AMS sansas you need to take care of a bunch of clocks, maybe this is sort of similar on PP
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22:00:52bertrikthe LPC2148 microcontroller that I worked with, needs to run at least at 18 MHz in order for it to communicate properly with the built-in USB controller, it has something to do with the two clock domains (processor vs. USB peripheral clock). Perhaps PP has a similar problem.
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22:15:50Bagderlee321987: /msg nickserv help
22:17:14desowin_I get this "usb: device firmware changed" with printer connected and r19911, but without printer I haven't seen any corruption
22:18:10*gevaerts wonders what would happen if one were to connect desowin_'s printer through amiconn's hub
22:18:25BigBambiThe world would end
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22:20:30webguest03howdie
22:20:41webguest03howdie
22:21:14webguest03hello
22:21:18gevaertsdesowin_: I suspect that any corruption you get while connecting together with the printer is probably due to the device getting disconnected
22:21:23webguest03jhg
22:21:42BigBambiwebguest03: This isn't a social channel
22:21:47webguest03i has a ?
22:22:02BigBambiwebguest03: Do you mean "I have a question"?
22:22:11BigBambiwebguest03: Please speak proper English
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22:23:30webguest03k
22:23:48webguest03?
22:24:11webguest03yes hats whATi meant
22:24:30BigBambiwebguest03: Do you have a question about Rockbox?
22:24:38webguest03ok im sorry but i have a question
22:24:41BigBambiIf so, please just ask it
22:25:36lee321987How do I find out what USB protocol my connected DAP is using?
22:25:45lee321987windows
22:25:48BigBambiWhat DAP?
22:25:53lee321987c200
22:26:04webguest03yes i do
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22:26:18BigBambilee321987: If you have a drive letter, it is MSC
22:26:23BigBambiwebguest03: Then ask the sodding thing
22:26:45BigBambilee321987: If it does not, but appears in explorer as a place or omething similar it is MTP
22:26:47lee321987I mean USB 1.1 or 2.0
22:26:56BigBambiah
22:27:00BigBambiSpeed?
22:27:17webguest03i instaled a theme but when i play music its just like the recording screen
22:27:27lee321987I can use that, but I thought there was a place where they are all listed
22:27:30gevaertslee321987: look in the device manager and check to which controller it's connected
22:27:53BigBambiwebguest03: Then the theme is out of date. You need to update it. See www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
22:28:23webguest03?
22:28:32BigBambiwhat?
22:28:43BigBambiYou asked a question, I answered it
22:29:04webguest03its on my 1st gen nano
22:29:17BigBambiThat link should have been www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS
22:29:29BigBambiwebguest03: That doesn't matter, what I said is still true
22:29:32webguest03is it easy?
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22:29:57BigBambiwebguest03: That depends on you. Yes, I think it is quite easy
22:30:33saratogaif you're having trouble figuring out USB, editing themes is probably not something you'll enjoy
22:30:48BigBambisaratoga: Different person
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22:31:32lee321987gevaerts: I looked under "Disk Drives" and "Universal Serial Bus Controllers", but don't see anything denoting USB protocol.
22:31:54BigBambilee321987: Is this Rockbox related?
22:31:57gevaertslee321987: "protocol" is something different...
22:31:57webguest03oh and sorry for some reason my message on this comes two minutes later so thats why i sound stupid sorry
22:32:14BigBambilee321987: At the moment Rockbox uses the Sandisk firmware for USB
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22:32:47lee321987BigBambi: Yeah, I trying the new commit that is supposed to fix the "2 bytes inserted" SD driver bug
22:33:06lee321987it _just_ got commited
22:33:12BigBambilee321987: So you have built enabling Rockbox USB mode?
22:33:24lee321987Yeah
22:33:31BigBambiOK, orry
22:33:34BigBambi*orry
22:33:42BigBambiand yes, I know it has just gone in
22:34:00evilnickOoooh, are there any reports that this has been fixed 100% yet? I'd love to be able to totally ditch the Sansa OF
22:34:35webguest03but i dont know what wps even means so would it still be easy?
22:35:05BigBambino, probably not
22:35:14lee321987I'm getting ~1.6MB/sec write
22:35:31gevaertsThat's high speed, no doubt about it
22:35:56PaulJam_webguest03: i would suggest to just choose a different theme from the WPSGallery in the wiki.
22:35:58webguest03ahhhhhhhh
22:37:13webguest03ahhh
22:37:31BigBambiwebguest03: Please stop it
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22:37:49lee321987Isn't high speed the fastest?
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22:38:01gevaertsit ism yes
22:38:05BigBambiyes, for now
22:38:56lee321987So why would you call 1.6MB/sec high speed?
22:39:13webguest28so is it easy?
22:39:16BigBambiAs it is too fast for full speed
22:39:39BigBambiwebguest28: No, take PaulJam_'s suggestion and try another theme that doesn't need updating
22:39:39gevaertslee321987: full speed USB is 12 mbit/s
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22:42:52lazkamy sansa v1 doesn't mount anymore.. anything I can do?
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22:43:14krazykit`in the OF? make sure USB mode is set as MSC
22:43:54lazkayes, in the OF
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22:44:59lazkais since this change where the bootloader first started rockbox and than switched to OF..
22:45:32lazkaand RB mounting never worked for me.. always crashes RB.
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22:45:58lee321987(just in case you guys need it) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
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22:47:08krazykitlazka, well, you /can't/ use usb in rockbox right now. the OF isn't our code. pretty much all you can do is make sure you're in MSC mode, and if that fails, try to recover the firmware to make it work
22:48:06lee321987Didn't I see a commit for handling the c200 battery charging? Whats the RB USB screen do when actively charging?
22:49:06krazykitthat wouldn't affect the sansa OF, but iirc, it just requests full usb power
22:49:19Jaykaylee321987: on e200 nothing, just a small symbol in the statusbar
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22:51:33lee321987evilnick: (and anyone else who uses a c200v1) I just copied 788 MB to and from my c240 _through_Rockbox_, and MD5 sums were good on both ends.
22:51:44BigBambilee321987: If it is just charging and not connected to USB, then it of course doesn't show the USB screen
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22:52:44gevaertslee321987: did you have corruption with earlier versions?
22:52:57evilnicklee321987: Is that to the SD card or the internal storage? (p.s. I use an E280)
22:52:59lee321987BigBambi: Can it do that? (one more bonus over OF) −− How do I charge, without connecting to USB?
22:53:10gevaertslee321987: it's in the manual :)
22:53:21BigBambilee321987: You read the manual to see what button you have to press when inserting the USB cable
22:53:34lee321987gevaerts: yes i had corruption
22:53:51gevaertslee321987: ok. Just checking, as not everyone had it
22:53:55lee321987evilnick: that was internal −− checking external now
22:54:22lazkakrazykit, didn't help.. it's kind of hard since the display is broken... thanks anyway
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22:54:37*evilnick was under the impression that SD was the showstopper
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22:55:11gevaertsevilnick: not really. People have had corruption with both internal and external storage
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23:12:40lee321987c200v1 / 480 MB to and from external SD using RB firmware −−−−- MD5 sums match. Goodbye Sansa firmware! RB rocks!
23:14:35lee321987Oh, yeah −− chkdsk looks good too.
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23:19:36casainhohello :-)
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23:20:42casainhoI have a buffer in memory that I would like to use for write on a file, on my SD Card... what functions can I use to make it? - can someone please write a simple example code on pastbin?
23:21:42domonoky1you mean you want to load a file from SD_card to memory ?
23:22:32casainhono, I want to write one to SD Card...
23:23:53casainhoand because I load the firmware from SD Card to a buf but I am getting bad sum error on LCD display... so, I would like to read the file and then write again other file with the same content and do a checksum on computer to see if the file readed from SD Card is ok or not...
23:24:24gevaertsAnd suppose it isn't, what does that prove?
23:24:28casainhodomonoky1: can you help me with a simple code?
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23:25:16domonoky1casainho: take a look a bootloader/common.c , this code reads from file, if you write instead of read you have it :-)
23:25:23casainhogevaerts: well, I don't know what to do in this case... so, I am thinking in try to looking at data readed from SD Card... so, I think is good to write it again on SD Card.
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23:25:49casainhodomonoky1: ok, I already saw that code...
23:25:58casainhobut, do I need to first creat the file?
23:26:09BigBambicasainho: How do you know that the write is correct if the read isn't?
23:26:13gevaertscasainho: so you're trying to verify untested SD reading code using even more untested SD writing code?
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23:27:03casainhohey, wait −− first I can try to write a known patern!!!
23:27:10domonoky1casainho: cant you just read out the memory with your debugging interface, and check it this way ?
23:27:25casainhodomonoky1: I don't know how to do it....
23:28:07casainhoBigBambi: and if I can write correctly that patern, they I can write any other file...
23:28:20BigBambier....
23:28:51gevaertscasainho: anyway the rockbox code has plenty of examples of how to write file. You should be able to find some easily
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23:31:27casainhogevaerts: but maybe already created files...
23:31:37gevaertscasainho: no
23:31:44casainhoI looked at file.h
23:31:44gevaertsHave you looked?
23:31:54casainhobut there is no description of the functions :-(
23:32:23casainhoyes, to file.c and fat.c
23:32:52gevaertsIf you want examples of how to write a file, you need to look at places where files are written
23:34:02casainhocan you give an example? I am used to llok at bootloader files... but there is no need to write on bootloader
23:34:49gevaertsAnywhere. recording, playlists, settings, file browser,... There are lots of places in rockbox that write files...
23:35:05rasherMany plugins as well
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23:37:56casainhook, thanks −− I am looking now to settings.c
23:38:57casainhoI have one question about pointers
23:39:04casainhofor example here:
23:39:05casainhostatic bool write_nvram_data(char* buf, int max_len)
23:39:29casainhochar* buf means that *buf is a pointer?
23:39:56casainhoI don't understand why char if address is a 32 bits value... ?
23:40:31lee321987c200v1 −−- With the current build does the RB firmware charge the battery?
23:40:45gevaertscasainho: this channel really isn't for absolute beginner C questions
23:41:11casainhogevaerts: okok
23:43:34casainhowhat means "O_TRUNC"? on open(FILE_NAME,O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_WRONLY); ?
23:44:39gevaertscasainho: have you tried google?
23:44:52casainhono
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