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#rockbox log for 2009-02-04

00:00:12lee321987ok...one sec...
00:00:30*kugel just answered the question, nothing more!
00:01:03*gevaerts wonders if lee321987 is now posting spam ;)
00:02:06lee321987http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18455.msg133997#msg133997 There's a link in that post that looks like it would lead to a Flyspray, but actually goes to http://www.fourthshift.com/#8363%20-%20Charger%20configuration%20for%20Sansa%20e200/c200
00:02:46gevaertslooks like an accident to me
00:02:52linuxstbAnd now you've posted that link in our IRC logs forever...
00:02:55*gevaerts cleans it up
00:03:13Bagderno, the links says "FS #8363">http://FS #8363 - Charger configuration for Sansa e200/c200"
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00:03:24Bagderit's just completely broken
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00:04:23evilnickhttp://fs resolves to http://www.fourthshift.com, so it seems that it was an honest mistake with the poster not linking to the FlySpray page properly.
00:04:30gevaertsfixed
00:04:49lee321987cool. Sorry about putting that link in IRC.
00:04:56linuxstbevilnick: How can "fs" resolve to that?
00:05:05Bagderfs.com shows a html with a redirect to there
00:05:13evilnicklinuxstb: Ignore me.
00:05:21linuxstbAh, browsers being "helpful"...
00:05:25Bagderyeps
00:05:35evilnickI am on IE, you insensitive clod!
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00:08:02kadobancan i link to unsupported builds in flyspray if they're clearly marked as such, or is that bad for some reason (it only includes one patch so it seems stupid to put it in the Unsupported Builds on the forums)
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00:09:12gevaertskadoban: why would you need to link to a build from flyspray?
00:09:38BigBambiAnd one patch builds for testing a patch have been put in unsupported builds on the forum before
00:09:59linuxstbkadoban: What's the patch?
00:10:22kadobangevaerts: a plugin i'm working on...i want a few people to try it and they aren't exactly tech savey enough to build themselves
00:10:56gevaertskadoban: I think the unsupported builds section is a better plavce
00:10:59linuxstbDoes your plugin require changes to the plugin API? If not, you could probably just attach the ".rock" to the flyspray task.
00:11:27kadobandoes attaching .rocks work well with viewers? i assumed not
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00:13:08linuxstbNo, not really....
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00:13:33linuxstbI wouldn't say there's any problem linking to binaries from flyspray.
00:13:52kadobanokay, thanks
00:14:57gevaertsIt depends I think. The link itself isn't a problem, but we don't want things like installation help discussions on flyspray
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00:15:41kadobanhmm, thats' true...maybe i should just put it in unsupported builds then
00:15:43gevaertsso if you end up having that sort of thing, you need an unsupported builds topic anyway
00:16:18tidalwav1Question: I see on the Sansa FAQ page that you can update the Sansa firmware over a Rockbox installation and then reinstall the bootloader with no problems. I'm just wondering if the latest V1 firmware from Sandisk won't prevent me from reinstalling the Rockbox bootloader?
00:17:53gevaertstidalwav1: I think all V1 firmwares are supported
00:18:31tidalwav1gevaerts: Just making sure, since the newest firmware is not in the list at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Why_isn_t_installation_working_o
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00:19:05gevaertstidalwav1: is there a newer one than 01.01.07?
00:19:12BigBambitidalwav1: Is there a newer than 01.01.07?
00:19:15BigBambiWhen was it released?
00:19:47tidalwav1Everyone sounds surprised, I might have misread version numbers
00:19:51tidalwav1let me double check
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00:21:29tidalwav1apparently my player currently has 1.02.18 on it, and Sansa updater wants to install 1.02.24
00:21:51BigBambitidalwav1: e200?
00:21:56tidalwav1e260, yes
00:22:04BigBambiThat table is for c200
00:22:13tidalwav1I should probably learn to read things, huh
00:22:33tidalwav1I guess I'll let the sansa updater do its thing then
00:22:44gevaertsYou can always revert later anyway
00:22:51BigBambiAs far as I know all e200 firmwares are supported
00:23:01BigBambiAnd as gevaerts says you can always go back if not
00:23:04tidalwav1ah, okay
00:23:23tidalwav1I'm new to the whole Sansa/Rockbox party and don't know these things yet
00:23:35BigBambiWhy not! :)
00:24:39tidalwav1good question heh
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00:29:52tidalwav1Sweet, new Sansa firmware installed, Rockbox bootloader reinstalled with no issues
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00:53:31mcuelenaereif anyone is interested in a Onda VX747 8GB NAND dump: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=456c97544b88ddd591b20cc0d07ba4d2b25d2a2012bfc5e7
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02:37:55yareckonhi guys, wondered if there was a way to display a "new podcast" twinkle next to podcast genre tracks with a playcount of 0?
02:38:20yareckonor if there is an option to turn this on that I'm missing
02:42:30JdGordona what?
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03:00:04yareckonjust an indicator that this was a new podcast that hasn't been listened to
03:00:14yareckonthe db already has a playcount number
03:00:49yareckonwhy not have a feature that puts a visible flag next to tracks that have a playcount of 0?
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03:01:08yareckonwouldn't really make sense for songs I guess, but would be a killer feature with podcasts
03:01:42rasherYou can create a view in the db that contains only podcasts with a playcount of 0
03:02:10yareckonok.... this is a good solution
03:02:20PaulJam_yareckon: this should be possible using a tagnavi_custom.config. see the DataBase wiki page for details how to customise the database.
03:06:54yareckonahh.. Example 3 - Podcasts, Old and New
03:07:12yareckonappears to be a frequent request
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03:13:04yareckonthanks guys....
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04:35:30mDemocritusi'm trying to compile the bootloader for Creative Zen Vision:M, and when running mkzenboot i get "Decrypted length of encoded block is unexpectedly large: 0xf38a60de". i've tried searching and didn't come up with anything, does anyone know what's going on or what i'm doing wrong?
04:35:40Davide-NYCjhMikeS: ping
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05:43:25cool_walking_PSPdemon: Check FS #9854 - I found a way to reproduce that bug. Maybe you can add something.
05:43:53PSPdemonheh
05:46:49PSPdemoncool_walking_ i have yet to make a account to make comments with
05:46:52PSPdemonsadly
05:47:12scorcheit takes a matter of seconds..
05:47:29PSPdemonagain i can bork .mod easily and i know it also borks every other format ( sometimes )
05:47:59PSPdemonbut it can now as you said be fixed by playing radio or mpeg video
05:48:02PSPdemonor restarting the device
05:49:12cool_walking_or as nls said, stopping playback :-/ I never stop playback, so I didn't notice
05:49:33PSPdemonwell i tried to stop playback
05:49:35PSPdemonand change songs
05:49:37PSPdemonnone of that works
05:49:44PSPdemonit literally breaks all codecs
05:49:53PSPdemonthe only thing to do is to restart the device
05:50:07PSPdemonbut i havent been able to reproduce that bug since then...only .mod breakage
05:50:33cool_walking_Well that broken .mod should probably have it's own bug report then.
05:50:50PSPdemonbut i do know that THAT song does the breaking
05:50:57PSPdemonso i can narrow down that error
05:51:42PSPdemonhmmm
05:51:51PSPdemonit didnt send me a confirmation :S
05:51:59cool_walking_check your spam folder
05:52:06cool_walking_or just wait a few minutes
05:52:11saratogaif you crash a codec badly enough its not that hard to corrupt your players memory
05:53:07cool_walking_oh wait.. does the tracker even need email confirmation? can you log in already?
05:53:08PSPdemonsaratoga, i wanted to know something
05:53:25PSPdemoncool_walking_ no it keeps saying that user isnt in the database
05:53:27PSPdemonlol
05:53:34PSPdemonanyway
05:54:10PSPdemoni get this little icon by my time on rockbox....little sd looking thing with a zigzag marking on it?
05:54:18PSPdemonis that normal/good?
05:54:38cool_walking_okay I just found my registration confirmation email, so you do need one.
05:55:40PSPdemoni cant find anything on that little icon
05:58:03LloreanIt's just a storage access icon. It displays when reading/writing
05:58:42scorcheas a side note, please stop using the enter key as a substitute for punctuation...it makes it harder to reas and is much more annoying...
05:59:20PSPdemonscorche, sorry, very bad habbit of mine
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06:23:51unstableDoes rockbox work on e280 v2 yet?
06:26:06Unhelpfulread the new ports forum thread. it's a work-in-progress.
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06:56:34Bagderfs#9871 is great!
06:56:48Bagder:-)
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07:47:07kadobanso...i tried to link to something in an FS entry with [url] [/url] and it didn't work. is there any way to go back and edit it somehow? (there doesn't seem to be)
07:47:50UnhelpfulFS#?
07:50:41kadoban7369
07:50:44kadobanlast post
07:53:13Unhelpfuli can just strip the [url] stuff.. i don't think i can make it into a real link.
07:53:33kadobanokay, that'd be fine. thank you
07:53:51cool_walking_Just using the URL by itself makes a link in the main task message, so it might work.
07:54:16kadobanoh nice, magic link :)
07:55:27Unhelpfulindeed, it did that. anyway, i believe only "developer" accounts can edit FS posts.
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07:56:20kadobanyeah, that makes sense...it would be nice if there was a preview, but it'd probably be overkill
07:57:13Unhelpfulor if "reporter" accounts could edit only their own posts... i'm not sure if flyspray could support that, though. one of the admins could probably say.
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08:21:40endrahello
08:21:52endrawill I lose the music on my ipod video 30gb when I install rockbox?
08:22:14scorcheunless you need to format your device, no
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08:22:23endraok
08:22:33endraI'm not sure how to backup my music so that is why I was asking
08:22:36endrathe ipod stores them in a funny way
08:23:05scorchethough, keep in mind that your music is likely oddly named in and weird looking directories thanks to itunes, so you will need to use Database unless you arrange things differently
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08:23:34scorchethat said, backups are always nice to have...
08:24:45endraI'd rather start from scratch and use whatever format rockbox uses, but I'd also like to keep my music and like you said itunes stores them with different names and in different directories
08:25:10tmztscorche: will itunes still accept music on an ipod if it's renamed to be more browsable?
08:25:22scorcheitunes wont, no
08:32:57endrafor the record, gtkPod can backup your ipod (and rename the files properly). Time to try out rockbox, thanks.
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08:44:07endraok great, I have rockbox installed.. how would I go about having a clean installation (100% rockbox, no ipod)? What partition type should I use?
08:46:03kadobani am using rb->plugin_get_buffer (and audio buffer), and using that as an array of structs. 1) Do I have to align that before use? (i assume yes, although it works without it on e200) 2) What do I align it to? sizeof one of the structs?
08:46:16Zagorender`: you don't want "no ipod". you need the ipod fw for usb transfers.
08:47:16endraah, okay.
08:48:23JdGordonkadoban: you dont have to align it... but you might get a spedup if you do
08:49:02kadobanJdGordon: oh okay. the speedup might be important... would aligning to sizeof the struct be sufficient?
08:49:48JdGordonits usually to int boundaries isnt it?
08:49:58JdGordonalthough both of those functions might actually do it for you
08:50:20kadobanoh, that would be great if it did. i guess i'll look into the code
08:51:06endrahow do I reboot the ipod?
08:54:13amiconnJdGordon: It depends on the architecture whether you have to align or whether it's just a speed optimisation
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08:55:07endragot the manual, thanks.
08:55:08kadobanamiconn: is there any architecture where aligning to int boundary wouldn't be enough?
08:56:01amiconnOn ARM and SH1 you have to align to 16 bit if the sturct contains shorts, and to 32 bit if it contains ints
08:56:51kadobanthanks
08:58:04amiconnOn coldfire it's optional
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09:00:55amiconnThere are special cases where you want or even need to align more than that
09:01:55kadobanhmm, that doesn't sound good...
09:02:31amiconnOn coldfire, it sometimes makes sense to align data to 16-byte boundaries (line burst) for optimum copy speed
09:03:44kadobani guess i'll just hope that int boundaries are enough. i'm not doing anything too exotic and not doing large copies at once or anything
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09:04:07amiconnOn PP, you need to align to 16-byte boundaries in some cases when dealing with dualcore operation, so that cache lines don't overlap between the cores
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09:04:54kadobanin a plugin that shouldn't come up, right?
09:05:12amiconnThat is rare though. In most cases you'd use the uncached alias when dealing with dualcore
09:06:30amiconnIt could, depending on what the plugin does. I don't think your plugin uses both cores though
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09:10:31amiconnJdGordon: Btw, regarding the non-working "follow playlist" on hwcodec, I tested with memory guard active on Sunday. Guess what happened at the end of playlist...
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09:16:40JdGordonnull access?
09:18:08JdGordonamiconn: what is the actual bug there? how does it not work? I can try havcing a look now, but if its hwcodec only... well i cantr really do much can i?
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09:21:24amiconnJdGordon: "Follow playlist" doesn't work at the end of the playlist on hwcodec. It works when browsing while playing
09:21:48JdGordonhow does it not work? where does it put you?
09:22:55amiconnIt doesn't change the position, you end up wherever you were browsing last. This means the root if you weren't browsing before (i.e. just power up and resume)
09:23:16amiconnAnd yes, there was a null pointer access. I should try to track down the C function
09:24:44JdGordonwell, its technically working correctly... at the end of the playlist, there is no playlist so there is nothing to follow
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09:26:30JdGordonAH... ok, now i remmeber which commit broke this
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09:27:40endrahello, I'm running rockbox on my ipod video 30gb and I created /movies/ and added an avi file to it but it will not list it in Files, how can I play it
09:28:46kadobanendra: rockbox can only play mpeg files. see the mpegplayer part of the manual (i believe it's in plugins)
09:29:05JdGordonamiconn: it works on swcodec?! thats actually a bit surprising
09:29:06GodEater_or here : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer
09:30:05amiconnYes it works on swcodec
09:30:26endraThe problem is I don't see my file in the file browser
09:31:02kadobanendra: there is a setting for which files are shown in the browser
09:31:29Unhelpfulendra: rockbox can not play AVI files.
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09:32:36JdGordonamiconn: ok, to fix the problem you need to get hwcodec to fire off PLAYBACK_EVENT_TRACK_CHANGE at the end of the playlist..
09:32:36endrakadoban, got it. thank you
09:33:41endrasucks, thanks anyways
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09:44:49JdGordonamiconn: is it crashing on hwcodec? or just not working?
09:45:08*JdGordon wonders if this should be handled properly with a PLAYLIST_ENDED event
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13:20:37evilnickCould someone point me to the correct defines for Rockbox USB support please? I'm about to compile my own build for my Sansa E280.
13:21:21BigBambiwww.rockbox.org/wiki/PortalPlayerUsb
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16:26:59GodEater_and so on and so forth
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16:33:55Qballhi all
16:34:15QballI want to try putting rockbox on my philips hdd6320/00
16:34:22Qballany guides on doing that
16:34:59BigBambiNo, as it isn't a supported target
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16:35:46gevaertsQball: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
16:36:02Qballhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoGearHDD6330#Firmware is not completely new
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16:37:02BigBambiQball: I understand that quite a lot of work has been done, but as I say it isn't yet supported
16:37:17ZagorQball: you can always try building a 1630 image and see if it runs
16:37:23Qballkay.
16:38:14*kugel thinks it wouldn't hurt if the phillips wiki pages contained more information
16:38:20BigBambiQball: What I'm trying to say is that there aren't any guides :)
16:38:47Qballyeap.
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16:39:23B4gderI think the philips hdd targets suffer from the ETOOFEWDEVS error
16:39:41Qballin idiots english?
16:39:50Qballaa TOO few devs
16:39:50*kugel never heard that too
16:40:08kugellol
16:40:15toffe82ther are 2 dev I think for the philips
16:40:27Qballwell I suffer from that too with my program.
16:41:58QballI am glad I found the usb mass storage mode
16:42:01Qballthat is pretty neat
16:42:07toffe82kugel we have the schematics of the 1630 and the 6330
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16:45:18kugeltoffe82: I see no bootloader installation guide
16:46:12toffe82kugel : we have to do it :)
16:46:32*kugel wonders how new devs could be attracted if they cannot even find the information to run current code
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16:47:19Zagorkugel: and here's your chance to fix this! yay!
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16:47:49kugelhardly, I don't have the target, and I don't know myself how to do it
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16:48:16toffe82Qball: for the 6230 you need to find the key, I could dump the bootloader yet, so we don't have it
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16:49:16Qballtoffe82: aah howto? (maybe I should donate the player)
16:49:52cobrajsWhat are the chances the Clip port will brick my Clip?
16:50:15Zagorcobrajs: small but not zero.
16:50:21toffe82I have the player, but didn't have time and also not so much knowledge on how to do it, I rely a lot on low_light but is not there very often
16:50:42ZagorQball: we lack interested people more than hardware
16:50:49QballZagor: aah
16:50:59QballI have so many things still todo..
16:51:04*Qball looks at his beagleboard
16:51:17Qballno time to give "hands on" help
16:51:26kugelwell, I would surely be interested..but I don't know if I have enough time
16:51:48GodEater_that's the other thing we lack : time
16:51:58kugelas always :/
16:52:08toffe82I will try again, but the code that low_light gave me didn't work and I don't have the source, if somebody else can help me, I can try again
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16:52:57toffe82he told me he used the some code from the sansa I think but I can't find it
16:53:12B4gderto scan for the key?
16:53:16toffe82yes
16:53:21mrkikoAn antistealth feature would be interesting, but it would be too dfficult to code I think (it may require boot loader modifications) and aniway rockbox is supporting too much different targets to have it implemented in a good way :)
16:53:32toffe82to dump the bootloader
16:53:37B4gdertoffe82: that's a job for mi4code
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16:53:48B4gdera to dump it might be a job for e200tool
16:54:18toffe82the missing part is the bootloader, I know about mi4code
16:54:32Zagormrkiko: antistealth?
16:54:50toffe82if you can help me modify the e200tools , I can try again
16:55:06mrkikoZagor: yes; to boot the player you might know a combination of keys. Or better, a sequence of keys
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16:55:26kugeltoffe82: it's similar hardware right? changing the usb vendor and device id might already be enough
16:56:03Zagormrkiko: you mean a built-in way for people to brick their players?
16:56:39mrkikoZagor: yes...
16:56:40mrkiko:)
16:57:14toffe82kugel: I will have a look tonight
16:57:33mrkikoZagor: may be you can read the file at boot when rockbox.something is allready controlling the player. The user may eventuallo connect the player to usb and delete the right data file. It would be a protection only against the occasional looser...
16:57:38toffe82kugel: is this runnig on the player ?
16:57:50kugeltoffe82: what?
16:57:58toffe82e200tools ?
16:58:12kugelit's a pc app
16:58:21B4gdertoffe82: it uploads code to run on the target
16:58:21toffe82the file low_light sent me was a file to run on the player
16:58:35kugelwhich is able to read/write code to RAM and execute code from it
16:58:44toffe82ok
16:58:51toffe82I wil try this way
16:59:26kugeltoffe82: but there is a bootloader for the hdd1630?
16:59:37toffe82yes
16:59:56toffe82the 1630 is working fine, almost everything is working
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17:06:06Qballkugel: would a dd dump of the hardisk help?
17:06:33toffe82Qball: no, we need the bootloader
17:06:55Qballhow can I get that?
17:07:21kugelprobably only by reading the RAM
17:07:26toffe82it is what we where talking before
17:08:21kugelQball: you could try to get the e200tool working with it: http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool.html
17:08:51kugelyou at least need to change the usb IDs (vendor and device ID), maybe it requires more work, but maybe it's not possible at all
17:09:20B4gderthat's also how we got the initial e200R bootloader
17:09:35QballI _HATE_ archives that extract to .
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17:10:12kugelit might only work in this service modes
17:11:23Qballwhat is PP_VENDOR_ID
17:13:15mrkikoQball: hi!
17:13:21mrkikoQball: welcom here from mpd! :)
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17:14:06Qballkugel: any hints?
17:14:07linuxstbQball: First thing is to put the device into recovery mode, and then do "lsusb" to see what's being shown. If it's different to normal UMS mode, then that's promising.
17:14:15kugelQball: PP_VENDOR_ID can possibly left unchanged. PP is the manufacture of the SoC
17:14:26Qballlinuxstb: it goes into UMS mode
17:14:35kugelbut yea, you get the IDs from lsusb
17:14:46Qballhave that
17:14:54Qballcompiled the tool with new
17:15:10*mrkiko remembers all running, when possible, "update-usbids"
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17:15:51Qballyeah
17:16:02Qballthat is up2date
17:16:13linuxstbQball: If it's in normal UMS mode (i.e. you see the disk as normal), then that's no help.
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17:16:29Qballhmm what if I put it in normal mode.. (mtp0
17:16:35Qball bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
17:16:35Qball bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
17:17:18kugelQball: try this mode http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoGearHDD6330#Service_Mode_I_found_2_methods_I
17:18:23Qballmethod 1 dumps me in UMS mode
17:18:26Qball2nd in normal
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17:19:36Qballthat is odd, in normal mode it requests 500ma from usb bus, in ums only 32
17:20:12kugeldoes e200tool recognize your player?
17:20:15linuxstbHow big is the disk in UMS mode?
17:20:20Qballkugel: how do I check
17:20:33kugelrun "[sudo] ./e200tool init"
17:21:00linuxstbkugel: If it's presenting a UMS interface, then e200tool won't talk to it.
17:21:16kugeloh
17:22:10mrkikoqball: can you write me te model name of your player?
17:22:11kugelthe manufacture mode on the e200 was OF independant, right?
17:22:22linuxstbe20tool requires what's called "manufacturing mode", which is a special "usb boot" mode - the device in effect boots via USB, and e200tool uploads a little ARM app, which then does further communication.
17:22:26kugelmaybe uploading a rigged OF file gets to that mode
17:22:31Qballmrkiko: hdd6320/00
17:22:45QballI can get you a hdd image of it. (via ums) and firmware copies
17:22:49Qballbut I guess no help there
17:23:05linuxstbQball: How big is the disk in UMS mode? Is it just showing the normal files?
17:23:18Qballlinuxstb: it looks like it showing me everything
17:23:22QballI even see the firmware file
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17:23:40linuxstbCan you normally access the device with UMS, or is it MTP only?
17:23:46Qballmtp only
17:23:51Qballdumping music on it does nothing
17:23:56Qballit does not see the new music
17:24:10low_lightbefore you waste too much time, e200tool won't work on the Gogear
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17:25:12mrkikorockbox is too good - wasting time is a pleasure when it comes to it :)
17:25:33toffe82Qball: in the service manual they say to go in mass storage mode : press and hold - key until the splah screen disappear
17:25:42low_lightI think the wiki tells you how to get UMS mode.
17:25:46toffe82and show the connection icon
17:25:48Qballtoffe82: I got it in UMS
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17:26:24low_lightif you want to try the hdd1630 bootloader, drop it in the System/ directory
17:26:36kugellow_light: how did you get the signture on the hdd1630?
17:26:38toffe82low_light: hello, I think you can help him better ;)
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17:27:10mrkikoheys guys! If the bootloader don't work, can Qball then get his player back?
17:27:37Qballit would make a nice paper weight
17:27:38toffe82mrkiko: use the philips tools in case of big problem
17:28:07toffe82only windows ;)
17:28:32QballI wonder why e200 tools says no match, when the device is there.. even if it is not wokring it should find it
17:28:35Qballshouldn't it
17:28:40low_lightYou should always be able to get UMS mode. Thats in the Philips bootloader, we never change touch that
17:29:08Qballbeen a long long time since I wrote something wtih libusb
17:29:18kugeljust trying the hdd1630 bootloader seems like a good idea to me
17:29:18low_lightQball: e200tool won't work. It's for players with an as3514
17:29:39Qballok
17:30:08low_lightQball: make an hdd1630 bootloader and drop it in the System/ directory
17:30:46low_lightif you want to dump the Philips bootloader, you'll have to modify bootloader/main-pp.c
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17:34:06low_lightQball: this http://rafb.net/p/VVq6na16.html will dump the Philips bootloader to disk. Add it at line 543 in bootloader/main-pp.c
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17:34:42Qballlet me try to build it first
17:35:31*Qball looks for a configure/autogen whatever
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17:36:05kugelQball: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
17:36:44low_lightThe Philips bootloader is needed to get the mi4 key necessary to load the OF for dual boot. The generic mi4 key should work for signing the Rockbox bootloader.
17:37:47Qballare there packages (that you know off ) for arm buildtoolts (gcc) for ubunti
17:37:59kugelno
17:38:16Qballgrrrmbl
17:38:16kugelyou need to run tools/rockboxdev.sh to get the toolchain compiled
17:39:01Qballthx
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17:39:54Qballluckely this box has a decent-ish cpu
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17:41:04*Qball wonders if bribing his friend @ philips is faster
17:41:33*B4gder would guess not
17:44:03Qballhmmm that philips adapter has a horrid pf
17:45:35low_lightQball: can I email a bootloader to you?
17:45:44Qballnaah I am patient
17:45:50Qballstupid build is bottling on Xorg
17:46:01Qballdone
17:46:38toffe82low_light: is it the same you send me ?
17:47:28toffe82on my 6330 , it was booting and booting again
17:47:40Qballok comipiles
17:47:42Qballlet me tweak it
17:47:43low_lightI'm impatient... http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=743e23c153ff2ddb1f8e0fff488e27e0e04e75f6e8ebb871
17:48:43Qballyour line number is incorrect
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17:48:54low_lighttoffe82: this is the latest hdd1630 bl with the the bit to dump the bootloader
17:48:56Qballblah
17:49:13toffe82ok
17:49:14Qballlow_light: where to dump the file?
17:49:21low_lightQball: that's possible I've got changes in my tree
17:49:38Qballlow_light: hmm I put it there.. just had to define fd
17:49:39Qballint fd
17:50:09Qballwhat file to move where?
17:51:16low_lightQball: it will coping from ram to the file
17:51:22Qballblarg
17:51:26QballWHERE TO PUT WHAT FILE
17:51:33QballI see a FWImage.ebn
17:51:36Qballbootloader.bin
17:51:53Qballwhere should I copy what file on my mp3 player
17:52:01low_lightUMS mode...there should be a System directory
17:52:05Qballthere is
17:52:14low_lightDon't overwrite the FWImage.ebn file there
17:52:38low_lightrename that first so you can go back to the OF
17:52:48Qballyeah I backed the file up
17:53:14low_lightthen reboot
17:53:15Qballand I got a fw update file from the philip website..
17:53:39Qballok.. LETS BRICK MY PHILIPS!!!!!
17:54:05*B4gder does the drum roll
17:54:26*Qball sees a nice GoGear
17:54:27Qballlogo
17:54:30Qballand that is
17:55:00Qballand I have a flash.bin
17:55:25Qballhttp://download.sarine.nl/flash.bin
17:55:27low_lightChances are the lcd is different, so I wouldn't expect to seen aything
17:55:41Qballwth
17:55:44Qballmy upload bottled
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17:55:58Qballwait
17:56:01Qballfile is correupt
17:56:09B4gder403 Forbidden too
17:56:57low_lightnow try mi4code
17:57:19Qballok
17:57:23Qballnew upload
17:57:24B4gdermi4code keyscan
17:57:40Qballwhere is that tool?
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17:58:02low_lightB4gder has it ;)
17:58:19B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html
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17:58:47ulterior_modemJust had to say
17:58:53ulterior_modemthanx for rockbox
17:58:55ulterior_modem:D
17:58:58ulterior_modembbl
17:59:34low_lightQball: mi4code keyscan FWImage.ebn flash.bin (where FWImage.ebn is the original firmware file)
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18:00:12Qballok
18:00:13Qballgot them
18:00:23Qballpaste them here?
18:00:51kugelpastebin.com or the like
18:01:12Qballhttp://rafb.net/p/nA3z4846.html
18:01:35B4gdernice!
18:02:50*Qball should have spenned this time hacking on gmpc
18:03:00*kugel disagrees
18:03:04Qballany more I can do?
18:03:05Qballto help
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18:03:33low_lightwanna RE the lcd?
18:04:04kugelyou said chances are that it's different
18:04:26Qballlow_light: what do you mean? RE?
18:04:43kugelas in, it's definitely different, but may work anyway, or there's different hw revisions?
18:04:49low_lightright so, reverse engineer it from the OF
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18:06:21low_lightI can have a look later. I kind of know what to look for having done it for a couple of players now.
18:06:29Qballcool
18:06:38Qballhmm is it possible that if LCD
18:06:44Qballdoes not work to load rockbox anyway
18:06:48Qballand control it via usb
18:06:49Qballor something
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18:07:09kugelwell, you can use rockbox without display, using voiced menues
18:07:47Qballhow do I used found keys to accomplish something like that
18:07:51low_lightDid the lcd do anything?
18:08:00Qballlow_light: it showed go-gear
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18:10:09low_lightQball: you now use "mi4code decrypt" to decrypt the FWImage.ebn file with the keys, then disassemble the resulting binary.
18:10:17toffe82low_light: the schematics are no help ?
18:11:42Qballhmm I realy don't have time to dive into trying to disassemble stuff
18:11:47QballI have it decrypted btw
18:12:49Qballwant that file?
18:14:07Qballok, if I decrypt using different keys I get same output file
18:14:12*gevaerts thinks. PP manufacturer mode does have working USB, right?
18:14:23low_lighttoffe82: I haven't really looked at them after figuring some stuff out.
18:15:12kugelgevaerts: I already thought that, you're late :P
18:15:22toffe82low_light: it looks like that the wiring is the same
18:15:31toffe82some pin on the processor
18:15:38low_lightgevaerts: yes, the OF bootloader has UMS mode
18:15:41toffe82same ^^
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18:19:00Qballanyway how can I load (maybe not fully functioning) rockbox on it
18:19:01low_lighttoffe82: If the lcd/controller are different, then the registers for writing to the lcd are different. I don't think the schematics gave details on the manufacturer or part for that.
18:19:40kugellow_light: maybe you didn't notice, but even teh cowon d2 build runs on the samsung p2 without changing, even with lcd
18:20:07kugelthe lcd is cropped but functional (different dimensions)
18:20:22kugelso chances are, that with the same chips, the lcd will work too
18:20:47kugelI think it's definitely worth a try (give that there's a recovery routine)
18:21:10QballI won't should murder when it is a brick
18:21:50kugelQball: you'll have dual boot now
18:22:01Qballtell me what todo then
18:22:02kugeland you don't need display support for dual booting
18:22:09kugelI don't know..ask low_light
18:22:32Qballlow_light: ^^
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18:23:21kugelI just know that we used to decrypt the OF, insert the bootloader, and decrypt again on the e200 in the early times, not sure if/how that's done on the gogears
18:23:51kugeland encrypt again*
18:24:01*Qball hints kugel that I don't know all the shorts
18:24:14kugelof = original firmware
18:24:50low_lightBut the lcd doesn't work. If it did, the rockbox bootloader Qball used would have displayed the logo, or something.
18:25:03low_light(logo = rockbox logo)
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18:26:52QballI see "Philips" then "GoGear"
18:27:19low_lightkugel: the D2 & P2 use the controller that's part of the telechips soc. There's no controller in the portalplayer soc.
18:27:20Qballhitting buttons cause small "clicks"
18:28:10low_lightQball: those images are part of the Philips bootloader
18:28:32Qballfood time.
18:28:36Qballlet me know if I can do something
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18:36:35*n1s wonders if planetbeing is around and has any ideas about the encryption on the non-touch ipods
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18:36:52n1sor hints on where to look
18:37:53LambdaCalculus37n1s: You mean the Classic and the newer nanos?
18:38:22n1sLambdaCalculus37: i got a 4G nano recently so that's what i'm most interested in
18:39:23n1sI wonder how they found the initial exploits on the iphones if that firmware is encrypted too and i wonder how they retrieved the encryption keys...
18:41:00n1sjudging from strings in the firmware file the nano 4G uses an s5l8720 SoC, same as the ipt2g Classic and 3G nano use s5l8702 iirc
18:41:33LambdaCalculus37n1s: The nano 2G uses a chip from that family as well.
18:41:48LambdaCalculus37Actually, the nano 2G uses the same SoC as the Meizu M6.
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18:42:44LambdaCalculus37n1s: Any other interesting strings in the firmware?
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18:44:02n1sthere's something about apple certificates but nothing really interesting at all that i've found
18:44:46n1sdid you ever figure out if you could enter the DFU mode on the 2g nano without trashing the firmware partition?
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18:45:06LambdaCalculus37n1s: No, I haven't.
18:45:39LambdaCalculus37I don't know if there really is a way of doing it *without* trashing the firmware.
18:45:54LloreanLambdaCalculus37: Maybe changing the partition type flag?
18:46:03LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Hmmm...
18:46:09LloreanThere's probably a few ways you could make it "unreadable" without "gone"
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18:46:37LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Like make it a non-bootable partition?
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18:47:44LloreanWell, I know on the Nanos the two partitions are "empty" and "DOS" flagged, I've always wondered if changing the "empty" flag to indicate that it's actually used for something would cause anything to go wrong
18:48:33LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Sounds like a good idea. I'll restore the iPod to a working state and then try messing with the partition flags in fdisk.
18:51:17LloreanSorry, meant 1G Nanos
18:51:21n1swell, the 3G and 4G nanos and the classic hide the firmware partition entirely so either itunes has a way to make the ipod show it or the old firmware does the upgrade...
18:51:22*Llorean hasn't looked at the 2G Nano
18:51:55LambdaCalculus37Llorean: The 2G nano has the two-partition layout as well.
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19:00:21Lloreann1s: It'd be worth snooping at least, if possible. Maybe there's a special command that iTunes sends that flips it to DFU mode, or something.
19:01:45n1sLlorean: yeah, that's possible
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19:05:06n1shmm, a menu+select reboot and then menu+left gives some diagnostic menu thing
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19:13:17low_lightAnyone with an ipod (particularly an older one) willing to check that FS #9865 does no harm.
19:14:28bertriklow_light, do you want me to test it on e200 too?
19:14:31low_lightI need to commit that for the hdd1630 radio
19:15:13low_lightbertrik: you can...but I tested it on my c200 and it seemed fine.
19:15:55bertrikOk, I'll test and let you know in 10 minutes or so, anything special I should look out for?
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19:20:12low_lightbertrik: don't know...for the e200 its whatever ascodec_readbytes() does...read the adc (anything else?)
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19:24:28bertriklow_light, ok, my e200 still works fine with the patch, rtc works, volume control works, adc works
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19:31:04Qballhmm
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19:33:52FlynDiceCan someone tell me how the dbop STAT, CTRL, & TIMPOL work for the as3525(v2 sansas) What am I actually doing when I set the bits and are the bitwise shifts necessary for some reason or is that just how its been done?
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19:34:56kugelFlynDice: did you get the datasheet?
19:35:25FlynDiceI asked badger and he didn't seem interested in letting me in on it...
19:35:47kugelwell, it describes the dbop register
19:36:12FlynDiceI figured that much which is why I asked
19:36:29Qballlow_light: I am back i you want me to get more info from the device
19:36:39kugelI didn't get the TIMEPOL one, but the others
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19:37:05kugelyou can tell the CTRL register to "prepare" a read (dbop is supposedly output only).
19:37:30kugelit needs to be prepared since the read data isn't valid until prepared
19:38:09kugelthe STAT (statusregister) contains various status information, like fifo status, or read_data valid status
19:38:25low_lightbertrik: thanks. just need ipod tester to make sure the pcf50605 is ok.
19:39:54kugelFlynDice: the TIMEPOL values are entirely taken from the of
19:40:11kugelthey possibly differ for the e200, not sure
19:41:58FlynDiceok Thanks. Are the bitwise shifts important or is that just the way the last guy did it?
19:42:09kugelwhat bitshifts?
19:42:25FlynDiceto set the bits for dbop and gpio
19:42:29kugelwhich last guy? I made the fuze button driver :p
19:42:45FlynDicehello last guy ;p
19:43:49*gevaerts decides to dump the state of the PP config registers just after booting with e200tool
19:43:52kugelthe shifts for GPIO are needed on setting them, yes
19:44:47kugelon dbop you don't shift
19:44:59kugelyou just mask 1 bit as significant
19:46:15FlynDiceso I can use a 0x mask or shift it won't matter?
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19:47:28kugeldbop & (1<<15) or dbop & 0x8000 is entirely the same yes
19:47:47kugelhowever, the former makes it clear we're reading bit 15
19:49:04FlynDiceyes I think so too I'm just trying to find out what makes a difference, This isn't my day job, a bit of ojt going on here;)
19:49:50kugelno problem, you're doing a good job anyway
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19:51:59low_lightgotta go...if any ipod users can test FS #9865 leave a note there.
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19:53:14FlynDiceis cabbiev2 theme working for the fuze?
19:53:32kugelyes
19:54:22kugelso does unicatcher and all others
19:54:58kugelapart from weird image corruption which isn't related to the buttons
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19:55:47FlynDicecabbiev2 won't work on my e280v2 but unicatcher works fine.
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19:56:17kugelhow do you mean "not working"?
19:56:28kugelnot at all, or jumping around weird?
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19:57:19FlynDicewell, once I added get_rec to button-e200.c cabbie doesn
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19:57:48FlynDicesorry, doesn't work at all. No buttons noe scrollwheel
19:58:09kugelis it the font (size)?
19:58:23kugelyou could try using 12-adobe in unicatcher
19:58:27FlynDiceI'll give that a try
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19:58:47FlynDiceall fonts work in unicatcher
19:59:27kugelyou could try setting up cabbiev2 part for part
19:59:43kugelsuch as the font, then backdrop, then line selector and so on
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20:00:17FlynDiceI'm going to try that right now..
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20:01:06kugelFlynDice: also, are updating the bootloader too? that shouldn't change much but who knows
20:02:24FlynDiceI haven't updated the bootloader in a while, I guess it's worth a shot
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20:41:21*mcuelenaere wonders why the build table didn't pick up my recent commits
20:41:27mcuelenaeres/my/his/
20:51:15kugelmcuelenaere: did you just commit something?
20:51:25mcuelenaerea while ago
20:51:29mcuelenaerenothing important (MIPS related)
20:51:57mcuelenaerehttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=19921 & http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=19920
20:53:20*bertrik noticed it too
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20:56:32amiconnmcuelenaere: Maybe svn locked again?
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20:56:49amiconnBagder: ping
20:56:50mcuelenaereI don't know, I suspect something with the www/build server?
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21:12:17Oliver_hello folks
21:12:46Oliver_on my iriver H320, i got HD noise during radio recording - is that normal?
21:13:35n1sif it happens at regular intervals, yes, it needs to save the recording to disk
21:15:14n1sor do you mean _in_ the recording?
21:15:58gevaertsAre you using the internal microphone?
21:16:27Oliver_yes, in the rtecording.
21:16:50Oliver_i can heart the hd noise in the recording
21:17:11Oliver_heAR
21:18:04domonoky1internal or external mic ?
21:18:18domonoky1the internal mic surely pics up the HD noise.
21:18:22Oliver_radio recording
21:18:30Oliver_yes, i know...
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21:18:41Oliver_only with rafio
21:18:50pixelmaI wouldn't be surprised
21:18:58Oliver_d
21:19:36pixelmabut I don't own a H300 and don't know how good shielding is etc.
21:19:41Oliver_?
21:21:14Oliver_any idea?
21:22:38pixelmawell it's all tiny electronics close to each other, so things can influence each other
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21:23:08Oliver_thought it could be an issue of the h300 series
21:25:22BigBambiThat is what pixelma is saying
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21:25:38BigBambiThat it is possible that due to the design of the H300, you get interference
21:25:46pixelmajust an idea though
21:26:37pixelmaare there differences in how loud you can hear this depending on the station/frequency?
21:27:11Oliver_i dont know. didnt test in in depth yet
21:27:46Oliver_its a low freq noise
21:27:51Oliver_from the hd
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21:56:31YOJIXhello
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21:58:02linuxstbYOJIX: Hi
21:58:09YOJIXo hello
21:58:10YOJIXlisten
21:58:17YOJIXi from poland
21:58:24YOJIXand i have only 14 years old
21:58:36YOJIXi dont know how install actual verion RB to my Sansa fuze
21:58:55YOJIXi read Bootloader installation but i not understant that info...
21:59:00linuxstbRockbox isn't released for the Fuze yet - it's only for developers.
21:59:17YOJIXgames & apps doesn't work?
21:59:58YOJIXbut i have sansa clip rockbox
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22:00:06YOJIXfrom polsh forum
22:00:18YOJIXbut music doesn't work
22:00:29linuxstbRockbox isn't released for the Clip either.
22:00:35YOJIXonly apps/games work
22:01:08Unhelpfulneither of those are completed ports. use something supported, if you want to be a user, and not a developer or tester.
22:02:02domonoky1YOJIX: if you want to experiment, take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=sansaV2 but you need to compile rockbox+bootloader yourself.
22:02:25YOJIXi read this
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22:02:35YOJIX"Bootloader Installation"
22:03:09YOJIXlook
22:03:30YOJIXfrom polish forum one user upload a not stable rockbox version
22:03:40YOJIXonly games/apps working
22:03:47YOJIXfor sansa clip
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22:04:26YOJIXif you have a identic version for Sansa Fuze, please upload this for me
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22:05:49gevaertsI'm pretty sure we don't want random binaries of unstable potentially dangerous software floating around to be used by people who don't understand what they're doing.
22:05:53domonoky1YOJIX: thats not the way it works. You have to get the sourcecode and a buildenviroment, and build it yourself, or wait till we have finished the sansav2 port..
22:06:57Qballhmm
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22:11:59bertrikQball, what's do you mean by this "hmm" every once in a while?
22:12:11Qballnervous tick
22:13:01QballI am looking at stupid philips mp3
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22:14:30FlynDicekugel: Do you have any understanding of why the 1<<24 is needed to make the scrollwheel work and 0 breaks it in the queue post line " queue_post(&button_queue, btn, 1<<24);" are we pointing at something arbitrary with 1<<24 that just happens to work?
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22:28:37domonoky1FlynDice: take a look at target/arm/ipod/button-clickwheel.c line 212, which has a comment about the dataformat of this queue_post.
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22:31:11domonoky1its: bit 31 is acceleration mode, bit 24 -30 is message post count, and the last bits are the velocity.
22:32:28domonoky1so with just (1<<24) you use: no acceleration mode, post count = 1,and velocity=0. at least as far is i can tell
22:41:20kugelFlynDice: no, that one was guessed
22:41:52kugelI took most from the e200 clickwheel_int, and stripped unneeded wheel acceleration stuff
22:42:36kugelwell, I didn't exactly guess, and I don't know if the creator of the e200 guessed. Yes, it just happened to work
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22:42:59kugeloh, domonoky1 explained
22:43:09*kugel should really read before writing
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22:49:35mcuelenaeremDemocritus: are you here?
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22:56:23kugelhow "wasteful" is a tick_task?
22:56:51mcuelenaerekugel: it runs every tick, so that's every 1/100th of a second?
22:56:56kugelyes
22:57:09kugelbut in my case, it'll just return 99.9% of the time
22:57:55*mcuelenaere wonders when the tick task list is empty, whether the tick task handler is disabled..
22:57:56kugelI've implemented a simple & small tick task for the viewportmanager to make clearing the screen after going from a fullscreen viewport to a smaller viewport'ed screen (using customlist for example)
22:58:35kugelin the other 0,01% of the time, this tick task will handle the fullscreen update
22:58:37mcuelenaerekugel: it probably isn't very wasteful, as there are some standard 'fixed' tick tasks..
22:59:06kugelyou mean I could just hack into another one?
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22:59:21amiconnmcuelenaere: It isn't, because the timer tick is also the tick task handler, and the timer tick always keeps counting
22:59:26mcuelenaereno, I meant as there are other tick tasks, the tick task handler needs to get runned anyway
22:59:31mcuelenaere@kugel
22:59:34kugelah ok
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22:59:46Bagderthere, there's a build going now
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23:00:02mcuelenaereamiconn: ok, forgot about that
23:00:22amiconnBesides, there are always some tick tasks runnng
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23:00:34kugelI would really like to use that tick task. it makes it very simple, and centralises screen changing handling
23:00:40mcuelenaereyes, that's what I meant with the 'fixed' tick tasks
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23:01:24*amiconn wonders what problem kugel is trying to solve
23:01:29kugelmcuelenaere: great commit, I need to check that out
23:01:37mcuelenaerekugel: the MingW one?
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23:01:52kugelI was experimenting with building rockbox (and the sim) on windows for a long time
23:01:52low_lightQball: can you see if the h10 lcd driver works for the hdd6330?
23:02:10mcuelenaerekugel: this was on Flyspray for some time now .. (and on my TODO list)
23:02:23kugelI didn't notice it yet
23:02:29kugelis the lang.h problem also solved?
23:02:48kugelI was having problems with that
23:02:49mcuelenaerewasn't that fixed with the Makefile overhaul of Zagor?
23:03:09amiconnkugel: Remember that all drawing needs to be done from the main thread (except for emergency stuff like UIE()). Specifically drawing from interrupt context is forbidden
23:03:30kugelmaybe, but when I recently tried to build rockbox using winarm it didn't work at all (I think genlang wasnt even executed), but that's probably another issue
23:03:33*mcuelenaere remembers something with messing with xargs in the Makefile to get the actual error visible instead of the lang.h one
23:03:53mcuelenaerekugel: this is for building the simulator, not the standard builds..
23:03:56kugelamiconn: it is? that also includes clearing and updating?
23:04:29kugelmcuelenaere: yea, but on windows too :) anyway, as I said, probably another issue
23:04:47Qballlow_light: how
23:04:51mcuelenaerekugel: (about drawing from IRQ) it would cause problems on the Onda targets for example..
23:05:10mDemocritusmcuelenaere: hey i was hoping you'd be on
23:05:22mcuelenaeremDemocritus: I've tried ping'ing you several times
23:05:26kugelI see, I didn't know that
23:05:50mDemocritusmcuelenaere: yeah sorry about that i forgot to put my away up
23:05:59mcuelenaerenp :)
23:06:25mcuelenaeremDemocritus: so what problems are you facing?
23:06:40Qballlow_light: how can I select that
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23:07:12amiconn...implementation is correct? I don't really know MIPS asm, but ffs is supposed to count from the right
23:07:14mDemocritusmcuelenaere: i've set up my dev environment, compiled mkzenboot, but when i run it i get [ERR] Decrypted length of encoded block is unexpectedly large: 0xf38a60de
23:07:38Qballlow_light: ?
23:07:40amiconnmcuelenaere: Are you sure your find_first_set_bit implementation is correct? I don't really know MIPS asm, but ffs is supposed to count from the right
23:07:53mcuelenaereamiconn: it returns the same values as commented in the ffs-arm.S file
23:07:59mDemocritusmcuelenaere: i'm using ZENVisionM_60GB_PCFW_L21_1_21_02.exe, and linux. i've even tried the prepackaged win32 mkzenboot.exe in wine, same exact error
23:08:06amiconnThat's not the same as 31-clz()
23:08:36mcuelenaeremDemocritus: hmm yes, there's some problem with encryption and the rather large key the ZVM60GB uses..
23:08:48amiconnIt works for values with a single bit set, but not for others
23:08:48low_lightQball: copy firmware/target/arm/iriver/h10/lcd-h10_5gb.c to firmware/target/arm/philips/hdd1630/lcd-hdd1630.c
23:09:13mDemocritusmcuelenaere: uh oh... now i feel like an idiot... i have the 30 GB ZVM...
23:09:21mcuelenaereoh..
23:09:25low_lightQball: then remake the bootloader
23:09:51amiconnmcuelenaere: ffs-arm first isolates the lowest bit set in the input value, and then calculates 31-clz()
23:09:52mDemocritusmcuelenaere: i could have sworn i grabbed the 30gb firmware...
23:10:13kugelprobably a stupid question, but where's the main thread situated?
23:10:33mcuelenaereamiconn: I tried something like this and it seemed working: http://pastebin.com/m37c15f28
23:10:40mcuelenaerebut if you say it isn't correct, it probably isn't..
23:10:53mcuelenaeremDemocritus: then try again with the 30GB version ;)
23:10:54Qballlow_light: ok lets twirl
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23:11:30mcuelenaereamiconn: so then I should do something similar like in ffs-arm.S as val = val & -val; ?
23:11:39mDemocritusmcuelenaere: i'm not finding it on the US creative site... only the 60GB
23:11:44amiconnmcuelenaere: Does it print '0' for all loop iterations?
23:11:59mcuelenaereamiconn: it didn't when I tried last time, let me retry it..
23:12:07mcuelenaeremDemocritus: look for 'older players'
23:12:12mcuelenaereit's down the page or so
23:12:15amiconnIt should, if I understand your loop correctly
23:12:43amiconn...because j goes 1, 3, 7, 0xf, ... which all have bit 0 set
23:12:54Qballlow_light: hmm nothing, anything I can do to "test" if the bootloader actually does something
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23:13:26mcuelenaereamiconn: ah ok, it didn't do that
23:14:27low_lightQball: ok. I was looking at the hdd6330 disassembly there were some similarities to the h10 lcd, so it was worth a shot.
23:14:42mcuelenaerehmm it gives 31 on all values
23:14:44amiconnBasically ffs counts from the right, while clz counts from the left. They can be converted into each other, but *only* if the input value has exactly one bit set. Hence the val & -val trick...
23:14:48mDemocritusmcuelenaere: sweet... i'm glad it was the simple problem that i can't read lol
23:15:21mcuelenaereamiconn: ok, then I'll try implementing it like arm does
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23:15:38mcuelenaereMIPS also has clo as an instruction, but I suppose that can't be of any help?
23:15:52Unhelpfulwell, clz can be used to calculate ffs, anyway... i don't think it works the other way, val & -val only isolates the rightmost bit. is there a similar one i don't know for isolating the leftmost?
23:16:04*amiconn only looked at this because he wanted to see a bit of mips asm
23:16:12Qballlow_light: anyway to make the bootloader f.e. load old firmware?
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23:16:42low_lightQball: what do you mean by "old"
23:16:44amiconnUnhelpful: Unfortunately there is no such trick. It would be very handy for implementing clz() without a clz instruction...
23:16:49QballOF
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23:17:32Unhelpfulthe same site i got the C clz from has one that relies on single-bit-set... but their only suggestion for isolating the leftmost bit set is a shift-or sequence to fill out all the bits to the right, then val ^ (val >> 1)
23:17:51Qballlow_light: anyway let me know if I have to test something again
23:18:04Unhelpfuli think that method would probably be slower with the shift-or sequence, since it uses a multiply + table lookup
23:18:28Unhelpful...although, there are no conditionals in it.
23:21:26Unhelpfuli believe the coldfire manual stated that (most) branches cost 0 or 3 cycles, depending on whether or not they are taken
23:22:36kugelamiconn: so, I can not use a tick task to watch out for screen changes issuing lcd_update()?
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23:23:47mcuelenaereamiconn: what's a good way to test whether my ffs implementation works?
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23:26:41Unhelpfulmcuelenaere: you can test it against the gcc builtin for it? i'm only assuming there's a __builtin_ctz to match __builtin_clz, though...
23:26:55Unhelpfullooks like there is.
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23:27:26mcuelenaereUnhelpful: you mean __builtin_ffs() ?
23:28:51mDemocritusmcuelenaere: nice it worked... the bootloader works now, but i did get a bunch of errors when using sendfirm: http://pastebin.com/m5607d14b
23:29:19Unhelpfulthat works too, without you having to fix up the result. you should be able to get either by wrapping the other with a little C ;)
23:29:23mcuelenaeremDemocritus: that probably means something's wrong with the checksum
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23:37:35mDemocritusmcuelenaere: i was originally looking around here because my firmware was borked... i found out about recovery mode and fixed it, so i don't really need rockbox right now. i do really like the project though, and i'm willing to help, but i can only offer testing assistance, as i can't code (yet)
23:38:17mcuelenaereah, in that case I'm afraid there's not much to test
23:38:51*mcuelenaere really needs to start looking for his ZVM
23:39:24mDemocritusmcuelenaere: well ok, i'll subscribe to the thread and post my offer, i'll check it occasionally, but PM me when it gets to a point where testing is needed
23:39:49kugelbut there must be some possiblity for regular polling which allows drawing, or is that enirely impossible?
23:40:12mcuelenaeremDemocritus: ok, but I don't think we're looking for testers now (or in the near future)
23:40:24mcuelenaereUnhelpful: does this look trustworthy? http://pastebin.com/m305a0b84
23:41:30mDemocritusmcuelenaere: well, anything i can do really... i work tech support for a SOHO NAS company, so i've got a good troubleshooting background, but as i said, no coding as of yet.
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23:43:11Unhelpfulerm, well, __builtin_ctz returns the number of zeroes on the right, whereas it looks like __builtin_ffs return the index of the lowest bit set +1... what does your find_first_set_bit return?
23:43:43mcuelenaereUnhelpful: __builtin_ffs() complained about a missing ffs() function (so it isn't really 'builtin' after all)
23:44:04mcuelenaereand that loop() didn't give any printf(), so I suppose there's still something wrong with find_first_set_bit()
23:44:30Unhelpfulwhat exactly does find_first_set_bit return? the index of the rightmost 1?
23:44:33mcuelenaeremDemocritus: well, the current problem is getting the Creative File System to work (and I think I know what could be causing this); so most likely I just need to start working on it :)
23:44:39*kugel slaps himself!
23:44:56kugelthere is - of course - a much better way, without needing a tick task
23:45:15mcuelenaereUnhelpful: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/developertools/gcc-4.0.1/gcc/Other-Builtins.html
23:45:47mcuelenaereUnhelpful: find_first_bit(): Find the index of the least significant set bit in the 32-bit word.
23:46:35Unhelpfulok, so yours is ffs(val) - 1, per gcc's ffs definition. or ctz(val) + 1, with an exception for 0.
23:47:03mDemocritusmcuelenaere: "Creative File System"? that sounds atrocious :)
23:47:17mDemocritusmcuelenaere: ok i'm off, i'll keep an eye on the thread.
23:47:37mcuelenaeremDemocritus: atrocious? don't ask ;)
23:47:51Unhelpfuland i've got to pack up, here. will you still be around in 90min or so?
23:47:59mDemocritusmcuelenaere: cmon it can't be worse than FAT32 >.>
23:48:15mcuelenaeremDemocritus: it is a replacement for FAT32..
23:48:22mcuelenaereand a customly build one
23:48:33mcuelenaereso we needed to figure out how it works
23:48:40mcuelenaere(well actually someone else did most of this)
23:48:57mDemocritusmcuelenaere: and they thought they could "replace" FAT32, instead of burning it and asking god for a new filesystem?
23:48:58mcuelenaereUnhelpful: probably not, but that's ok
23:50:50mcuelenaeremDemocritus: I'm not sure what you mean..
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23:53:18mDemocritusmcuelenaere: don't mind me, i just dispise fat32. alright i'm off, cya around!
23:53:22mcuelenaereamiconn: does this look ok? http://pastebin.com/m3e1dd62f Or should that v0 = 31 - t0 line be conditional to the AND instruction?
23:53:38mcuelenaeremDemocritus: Rockbox only supports FAT32.. :)
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23:54:00gevaertsAlso FAT16 :)
23:54:08mDemocritusmcuelenaere: well of course, because it's simple, right? it doesn't mean i have to like it :)
23:54:16mcuelenaeretrue
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