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#rockbox log for 2009-03-15

00:00:09midgeywe could just stall the release and rename it 3.5
00:00:16*midgey looks at mozilla
00:00:45gevaertswe already did that for 3.0. You can't do that too often :)
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00:17:02domonokybluebrother: the target id is used in the voice generation..
00:18:33domonokybut perhaps voice generation should take the target-id out of the rockbox-info.txt file.
00:24:35bluebrotherdomonoky: the genlang call to the webserver uses (and happily accepts) the platform string
00:24:53domonokyyes, but not voicefont()
00:25:29bluebrotherhmm. It doesn't seem to get passed anywhere −− the only place I found it was in the target check
00:26:22bluebrotherand why does voicefont need that id?
00:26:51domonokyits needed for the header of a voicefile.
00:26:54bluebrotherah ok, for writing the header
00:27:05domonokyand for some target specific adaptions.
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00:27:45domonokybut if we just read the target-id from the rockbox-info.txt file, we can remove it from the ini file.
00:28:12bluebrotherwell, it's not the ini file itself. It's the settings class I'm fighting with :)
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00:29:20domonoky:-)
00:29:32bluebrotherfor now, I can scratch that nameOfTargetId() which is a good thing (tm)
00:29:57domonokyyou modified detect.cpp to operate on target names ?
00:30:18bluebrotherkeeping the target id in the settings (as long as it's only using the current platform) isn't an issue
00:30:58bluebrotheryes. Detect::check() now also always checks against the current target selection −− there is no need to pass the settings structure plus the value
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00:55:48n1sspeaking about not breaking ipod<->itunes compatibility, would it not be possible to do a reboot like we used to on the ipods if the specific scsi commands itunes use are recieved by rockbox?
00:57:06gevaertsn1s: maybe. It needs testing
00:57:40linuxstbWouldn't that break the connection? Itunes can be started at any time.
00:58:08gevaertsthat's the main problem I see, yes.
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01:05:51linuxstbbluebrother: Did you get chance to try that ipodpatcher on Windows?
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01:06:06*linuxstb now has a "-x file.xml" option to dump the XML info to a file
01:06:32linuxstbOr is there anyone else around with Windows and an ipod?
01:07:20gevaertsrasher maybe :)
01:07:34linuxstbHaha...
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01:10:50bluebrotherlinuxstb: not yet. Will try tomorrow
01:11:06bluebrotherbut now I need to get some sleep. Bye.
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01:12:40midgeylinuxstb: what do you need?
01:13:10linuxstbmidgey: A second tester after it failed for you... But I'm just reviewing the code now, so may have another version soon.
01:14:22rasherlinuxstb: will a sansa do?
01:15:10linuxstbrasher: It's worth a try - I'm just testing the Windows code.
01:15:24linuxstbhttp://linux.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher.exe
01:15:28linuxstbTry "ipodpatcher -x file.xml"
01:16:25rasherDo we all get a free pass for calling you linux now?
01:16:25bertrikI just noticed there's a 1.1.32 clip original firmware out, has anyone built a bootloader with this and tried to run it?
01:17:22linuxstbHmm...
01:18:09rasherlinuxstb: ah, no ipods found. Seems ipodpatcher is more strict than iTunes
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01:19:02linuxstbTry explicitly adding a disk number - e.g. "ipodpatcher 1 -x test.xml"
01:19:14linuxstbThat should show why it doesn't like the device.
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01:19:25linuxstbIt's probably the partition layout...
01:19:29rasherYup
01:19:49linuxstbOK, I'll #ifdef that out for you...
01:20:16linuxstbWhat's the error you get?
01:20:44rasher[ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod
01:20:48acarricoSorry to break in. Is there a rockbox target for Linux? Like an emulator I guess.
01:21:07saratogayes, the uisimulator
01:21:21rasheracarrico: you can simulate (not emulate) all our targets on Linux. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator
01:21:47linuxstbrasher: OK, try again.
01:21:49acarricoAh. Thanks for the Linux. I missed it poking around on your site.
01:22:30acarrico/s/Linux/link/
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01:23:15rasherlinuxstb: hm, wait, that's not the right disk..
01:23:37linuxstbrasher: Then be careful with that ipodpatcher...
01:24:02linuxstbBut no, it shouldn't write anything without you giving it a filename of something to write...
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01:25:55rasherlinuxstb: okay, here's the right one, now it's failing at "Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright"
01:26:52midgey[ERR] invalid bufsize in ipod_scsi_inquiry
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01:27:20linuxstbmidgey: Oops...
01:27:31linuxstbrasher: OK, I'll remove that check as well...
01:28:07rasherThis is going to be the worst ipodpatcher ever
01:28:21rasherBetter remember to delete it from your webspace soon
01:28:25linuxstbrasher: Although this may not work... Do you actually have the firmware there?
01:28:35rasherI don't have the firmware, no
01:28:47rasherI could install it, I guess
01:29:49linuxstbIt's OK, let's see how midgey gets on once I fix that bug. I think I had better remove those #if 0s, or I'll end up committing them...
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01:30:15AntiXpucThi there...
01:30:34linuxstbmidgey: Can you download and try again?
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01:31:16AntiXpucTis it planned to build rockbox for Samsung YP-P2? :)
01:31:30saratogaports aren't planned
01:31:43Unhelpfulsomebody who has one needs to do the work
01:32:00AntiXpucT-_-
01:32:12midgey[ERR] Sending SCSI Command failed.
01:33:30linuxstbmidgey: OK, I have one last thing to try...
01:33:49linuxstbmidgey: New version uploaded.
01:34:01bertrikAntiXpucT, there's a wiki page about it (SamsungP2Port)
01:35:04AntiXpucTbertrik: where? on the rockbox site?
01:35:16saratogathis site
01:35:23midgeylinuxstb: close
01:35:23saratogatheres a status link on the front page
01:35:23bertrikyes, full link is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungP2Port
01:35:32midgeyit dumps the first page correctly
01:35:36midgeythen gibberish
01:35:36AntiXpucTbertrik: thanks
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01:36:47linuxstbmidgey: Hmm, so no XML-like content in the "gibberish" at all?
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01:39:52midgeyhttp://www.pastebin.ca/1361089
01:40:21midgeyhad to remove a char between int and €ƒ
01:40:42midgey(zero byte?)
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01:41:41linuxstbAny errors displayed by ipodpatcher?
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01:41:56midgeynope
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02:06:49linuxstbmidgey: Thanks for testing. I've no immediate ideas...
02:07:08midgeyno problem
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02:39:40plutonianis there a LISP programming environment available as a rockbox plugin?
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02:46:56Lloreanplutonian: Everything included is in the manual.
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04:26:01PSPdemoncurious, lets say theres a update to the bootloader
04:26:07PSPdemonwould i have to take the old bootloader off? or would it overwrite the current
04:26:42soapIt would overwrite the current
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04:30:42PSPdemonsoap, thanks
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05:28:44soapLlorean: since when did tasks get closed because the current implementation isn't the one which will get approved for SVN?
05:29:11soapI was under the impression that many FlySpray entries got totally revamped while on the tracker.
05:29:13Kefka_PalazzoHello, how do I redefine controls in Rockbox UISimulator?
05:30:17Lloreansoap: It needs to be rewritten from scratch. That can always be a new task.
05:30:33LloreanSeveral have been closed when nobody's working on that specific task any more.
05:30:43LloreanKefka_Palazzo: Edit the source code.
05:30:52Kefka_Palazzookay
05:30:53Kefka_Palazzothanks
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06:45:39casainhohello :-) −− my system is hanging here: http://blip.tv/file/1878330?filename=Jpcasainho-lyreHangs252.flv
06:46:47Lloreancasainho: It's unlikely just showing the screen will allow anyone to know why it's hanging.
06:46:58LloreanWhy not try to track down exactly where in the code it's hanging at?
06:47:02casainhoI am doing JTAG debug, but I don't know where I can put a break point, to start trying spot the problem. Can someone tell me where in the code I could start looking? −− that problem, system goes to the undefined vector
06:50:02casainhoLlorean: it hangs exactly when I press the button and it tries to play, looks to me that it can read correctly the file. Do you know in what piece of code can be responsible for that stage of start playing?
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06:53:50Lloreancasainho: I have no guess. It seems like you'd be in the best position to figure it out because you have the actual hardware and tools.
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06:55:40casainhoLlorean: I thought that someone knowing the internals of Rockbox could imagine in what piece of code it hangs... −− there is so many code, I don't know where to put a breakpoint...
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06:56:29Lloreancasainho: Instead of trying to guess where it fails, why not do some elimination and see what actually succeeds?
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06:57:41casainhohow? in what file? −− I were reading the root_menu...
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07:00:15casainhoon main() I see it going to void root_menu(void), however I don't know where it goes after... :-(
07:03:07casainhooh, I think I got it :-)
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07:09:43saratogaBagder: [for the logs] someone reported running code on a V2 Clip, maybe now is a good time to request the AMS datasheet
07:10:29saratogamost likely the clip uses the AS3536, as it is the AS3525 replacement with the required features [onboard dac, integrated memory]
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07:27:04saratoga Bagder: hmm looking at this closer, the V2 and V1 firmwares both have the string AS3525_2_0, so maybe its not a new CPU
07:31:24saratogahmm i'm really confused
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08:31:55byteframeMy 4th gen ipod running rockbox (installed with the installer) reboots to the apple firmware whenever it is plugged into the usb. Can I change this?
08:39:49LloreanThe current build has our USB code enabled instead of using the Apple USB mode.
08:39:59LloreanBut it's still not perfect yet, and likely won't be seen in the 3.2 release either.
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09:15:57alex0008I'm on dial-up. Two questions: 1)What is the total size of what SVN will download for the first time. 2)Can I tell SVN to skip files for targets I'll never build for?
09:18:46Lloreanalex0008: The source tarball is 20.0 MB compressed it seems, I'd imagine SVN is going to be similar. I don't know if it transfers compressed or not.
09:20:00LloreanI believe you can convince SVN to only download specific files, but I'm not sure how precise it can be. That's something to read in the SVN documentation
09:20:40alex0008Llorean: But if I want to use SVN, that's how I have to aquire the source - right? I can't just download the tarball, and somehow point SVN at it?
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09:23:14LloreanThere'd be no way to pick and choose at all with the tarball anyway.
09:23:45alex0008yeah, but I think it would still be faster
09:26:47LloreanWhy?
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09:29:29alex0008Llorean: I have an old 7z of r18021, and unpacked it's ~108MB
09:31:51Lloreanalex0008: What I've read suggests SVN can send compressed, so the unpacked size isn't totally meaningful.
09:32:36alex0008awesome. Thanks guys.
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10:48:43bluebrotherlinuxstb: with your binary it seems to read the first page of the xml correctly, afterwards only garbage. When building myself it only reads zeros, thus the xml has a length of zero
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11:13:57orcplease help me
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11:14:32orci cant build gdb(
11:14:51orcmy system ubuntu 8.04.1
11:14:58n1sorc: how is that related to rockbox?
11:15:17orci install termcap, but configure: error: no termcap library found
11:16:00linuxstbbluebrother: Thanks - that's what midgey reported with my binary too.
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11:16:39orctermcap.h is /usr/include
11:16:59bluebrotherlinuxstb: is there a difference between your binary and the diff? I find it rather strange that building myself gives different results
11:17:03orcwhy compiler dont find this?
11:18:07orchttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
11:18:44orcwhere is my error?
11:18:51linuxstbbluebrother: Let me upload a fresh diff - there have been a few changes...
11:19:14bluebrotherorc: do you have some connection to the target that will enable you to debug on-target at all?
11:20:00linuxstbbluebrother: linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-sginq.diff">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher-sginq.diff
11:20:28orcunderstand( my english so bad
11:20:58orcwhat mind connections to the target?
11:21:10linuxstbAnnoyingly, it looks like Linux is happy to do a SCSI inquiry on a device opened readonly, but Windows needs it to be opened r/w. (ipodpatcher only opens the ipod as r/w when needed)
11:21:10bluebrotherusually JTAG
11:21:22orcno? why?
11:21:38orci want compile bootloader?
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11:21:56orcwhy JTAG?
11:22:38Toni1gevaerts: Two comments on the current PP USB initialization:
11:22:59Toni1(1) The OF uses a "for(i=0; i<2; i++)" loop instead of udelay(10) between register writes.
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11:23:24Toni1At the end you do a "while (inl(0x70000028) & 0x80)", but the OF does "while ((inl(0x70000028) & 0x80) != 0)"
11:23:46amiconnThat's the same thing...
11:24:06Toni1 while ((inl(0x70000028) & 0x80) == 0);
11:24:15Toni1in the OF
11:24:42Toni1I don't really believe, but it might be related to the unspected USB disconnects?
11:24:54bluebrotherlinuxstb: now it detects a mini2g 64MB :)
11:25:15bluebrotherorc: if you want to debug on the host you don't need to build gdb −− that comes with your distro
11:25:27linuxstbbluebrother: That's fun ;) Is it reading the entire XML file?
11:25:33bluebrotherif you want to cross-debug you need a debug connection to the target. This is usually a jtag.
11:25:52bluebrotherlinuxstb: don't think so −− it's still claiming 860 Bytes (like before)
11:26:01bluebrotherlet me dump the xml ...
11:26:25bluebrotherseems again to be broken after the first page
11:26:43bluebrotherorc: and for building the compilers we have a nice script in svn anyway
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11:28:24linuxstbbluebrother: Can you add a "printf("npages=%d\n",npages"); after line 1424 in ipodpatcher.c (i.e. just after npages is assigned a value).
11:29:28linuxstbThe first call to ipod_scsi_inquiry gets the page containing the list of other pages. Then it reads each page. So it means the first two scsi inquries are working.
11:30:32bluebrothernpages = 10
11:31:33bluebrothersounds correct to me
11:32:58linuxstbIt's smaller than other ipods
11:33:29linuxstbe.g. the ipod video has 39 pages
11:34:03bluebrotheryes, but that is correct. At least I've seen less pages yesterday
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11:35:35linuxstbMaybe it's a memory alignment thing - in that ipod_get_xmlinfo function, try making the two arrays 256 bytes, but replace sizeof(hdr) and sizeof(buf) with 255 in the calls to ipod_scsi_inquiry()
11:35:58bluebrothersg_inq returns 0x0a as 4th byte
11:36:03linuxstb(or otherwise align them if you're better at that than me...)
11:36:08bluebrotherso the 10 is correct
11:36:26linuxstbOK. I guess the mini doesn't have as many features (video, album-art etc)
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11:39:50linuxstbbluebrother: BTW, I managed to borrow my g/f's Macbook last night, and had a quick go at the OS X code to do this. The sample code I found works, but I didn't manage to work out how to map between the /dev/diskN device that ipodpatcher uses and the "io_service_t" handle that the SCSI code needs. But I'm sure it's possible.
11:40:07bluebrotherlinuxstb: I've put the xml output online: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/mini-2g.xml
11:40:36linuxstbbluebrother: This is dumped in Linux?
11:40:48bluebrotheryes, with the mini in EDM
11:41:22bluebrother(having a second machine around can be quite handy at times ;-)
11:42:16linuxstbbluebrother: OK, so the high-level code is definitely fine, there is just something wrong with the win32 ipod_scsi_inquiry()...
11:44:33linuxstbbluebrother: Have you tried changing the buffer sizes?
11:44:46bluebrothernot yet.
11:45:30linuxstbIt seems the WIndows sample code also passes some different flags when calling CreateFileA() to open the disk device - so that's something else we can try.
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11:47:07bluebrotherchanging the buffer size didn't help
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11:49:06linuxstbOK, try going to ipod_reopen_rw() in ipodio-win32.c and replace FILE_FLAG_WRITE_THROUGH | FILE_FLAG_NO_BUFFERING with 0
11:51:25bluebrotherok, I just tried dumping the buffer after the inquiry and it seems to contain no useful data.
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11:51:55bluebrotheripod_scsi_inquiry() seems to get called with 0x00 as page after the second call
11:53:09linuxstbSo it's perhaps overwriting the contents of the hdr[] array?
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11:53:53linuxstbYou could try replacing hdr[i+4] in the call the ipod_scsi_inquiry with "0xc2 + i"
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11:55:28bluebrotherok, that did the trick
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11:55:59linuxstb:-) But that doesn't make any sense...
11:56:40bluebrotherno, but it works :)
11:56:48linuxstbDid you change the ipod_reopen_rw() function, or is that still as SVN??
11:57:09bluebrotherI didn't change that
11:57:19linuxstbOK, good. And it should now not display any RAMSIZE for your mini?
11:57:40linuxstb(only newer ipods expose a RAM size)
11:57:59bluebrotherit displays 64MB again. Seems I have more RAM now :)
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11:58:28linuxstbHmm, then there's some logic broken in either ipod_get_ramsize, or where it displays that value...
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11:59:25*linuxstb expects there is no terminating zero in the xmlinfo...
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12:00:07linuxstbbluebrother: Can you add "*p = 0;" after the for loop in ipod_get_xmlinfo() ?
12:00:22alex0008I just finished a full SVN checkout using a dial-up connection. Total size: 38MB Time: 2hrs 20min.
12:00:50linuxstbOuch... But at least "svn update" should now be faster than downloading a new copy of the source.
12:01:07alex0008yep
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12:02:17alex0008I love this program, and open source. This is fun.
12:02:39bluebrotherlinuxstb: ipod_get_ramsize() doesn't set the value if the key is not detected. Setting it to 0 makes that work
12:03:00bluebrotherlooks like windows uses different initialization values for the struct
12:03:11linuxstbbluebrother: Hmm, OK, then I should set that somewhere else. I thought the struct was memset to zero.
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12:03:53bluebrotherit might be a good idea to memset that to zero. At least I can't see it being done somewhere in main()
12:04:21linuxstbDoes rbutil do that as well?
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12:04:56bluebrotherhmm. Good question.
12:05:28bluebrotherno, it does not.
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12:13:42*bluebrother wonders if the macpod bug also appears on windows
12:17:41bluebrotherhmm. At least that struct member is always filled in unless an error occured, and the old bootloader installation didn't zero the struct as well. So at least nothing that could explain the issue
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12:23:43casainhohello again :-)
12:24:06casainhoI think I am with a bug on GCC, can someone please see this code? :: http://pastebin.com/m7a8f6165
12:24:57linuxstbbluebrother: OK, thanks for debugging this. I need to do other things for a few hours, but hope to commit this soon...
12:25:53bluebrotherlinuxstb: you're welcome. I might gdb the buffer issue later, let's see what comes around for eating time :)
12:27:29casainhor3 is getting a different value than the 0x2002b98c and then PC goes to an location that don't have code, which then happens the undefined instruction code :-(
12:29:05casainhois a GCC bug, no?
12:29:16bluebrotherand why is this a gcc bug?
12:30:21casainhowell, R3 gets a wrong value, always the same wrong value...
12:30:40bluebrotherbut why should this be a gcc bug?
12:31:05casainhoif gcc put the wrong value on R3 but the code is for another value, no?
12:31:05bluebrotherthe asm code it generates looks fine as far as I can see. The cpu doing different things is another thing
12:31:30bluebrotherwell, what value does it load? It doesn't load a fixed number, so it depends
12:33:16casainhoit loads all the time the same value, I rebboted the board a few times, etc −− I am uploading a short video showing it
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12:33:55casainhocan you please give a look here? :: http://blip.tv/file/get/Jpcasainho-r3Wrong243.mp4
12:34:57casainhothe value that goes to R3 is: 0x200d5ed4
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12:36:21*bluebrother isn't really fond of downloading a video for this
12:36:28casainhodoes anyone have the idea why R3 gets always a wrong value?
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12:37:24casainhobluebrother: you can see here: http://jpcasainho.blip.tv/file/1879834/
12:38:09bluebrothernice. "Click here to download plugin". No thanks, I don't want to install quicktime
12:38:15casainhobluebrother: for online view flash version: http://blip.tv/file/1879834?filename=Jpcasainho-r3Wrong542.flv
12:38:31casainhoit's just end right now the conversion to flash
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12:41:20casainhobluebrother: so, do you have any idea?
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12:44:27alex0008I saw this advice on the forum "altering gwps-common.c, in the function play_hop(). Add audio_next(); before the first return." That way if the skip length is less then remaining time, playback skips to the next song. There is no longer play_hop() in gwps-common.c. Where do I put the audio_next() ?
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12:55:42alex0008what changes require re-running /tools/configure −− if I already have a makefile?
12:58:20alex0008I found play_hop() −− it's in gwps.c
12:59:38alex0008all I changed was to add the audio_next() to play_hop() −− can I just make, or do I have to run configure again?
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13:48:36lachlan1234hey i've been using rockbox for almost a year now, but i restored my ipod in itunes the other week, and since then haven't been able to get rockbox to install/boot on my ipod (5th gen, 80GB). when i run the 'complete installation' option in rbutil i get the mssage "Failed to add bootloader". does anyone know why this is?
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14:43:14bluebrotherlinuxstb: I figured why the buffer gets trashed :)
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14:44:52bluebrotheryou simply memcpy() the output of the DeviceIoControl() and use the number of bytes provided by that call. That call returns 332 bytes in my case, thus overwriting memory ...
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14:47:05bluebrotherso simply copy only up to bufsize bytes and it worked for me :)
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15:00:58linuxstbbluebrother: Hmm, I don't understand how it can return 332 bytes... Which page_code was that for? The first one?
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15:03:55bluebrotheryes, but when printing the value of returned it's always 322 −− except for the last page
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15:09:58bluebrotherargh, typo. It's 332 bytes, not 322. Last result is 308 for my mini btw.
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15:26:04bluebrotherlinuxstb: this is what I get inside of ipod_scsi_inquiry(): http://pastebin.ca/1361466
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15:45:42bluebrotherinteresting. Looks like page 0xc0 is appended to all other pages. WTF?
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15:48:09bluebrotherat least its contents
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16:39:25fred_99hi, do you know a soft under linux to read the rockbox database files (*.tcd)
16:42:35rasherfred_99: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagcacheDBFormat#Tools
16:43:19fred_99rasher: thanks
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17:03:38jethrois it at all possible to put rockbox on a phillips gogear?
17:04:19fred_99rasher: when I run the rbdb.py script, my computer nearly hang up and it uses a maximum disk ressources, is it normal ?
17:04:34rasherjethro: It's possible on some, but they're not officially supported yet. Though I think the port is reasonably advanced
17:04:47rasherfred_99: I have no idea. I just know of the existance of those tools
17:05:01fred_99rasher: ok thanks
17:05:06jethroso i just go by the manual on the site and install it normally?
17:05:19jethrodo i need to find the specific port?
17:05:25rasherjethro: no, you need to find the wiki pages about the gogear port
17:05:36jethroalright thanks alot
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17:19:55jethroi cant seem to find the wiki pages for the gogear port
17:20:30soaphttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch?search=gogear&scope=text
17:20:47soapgives you three to start
17:21:03jethrothx
17:22:38soapForums:Search:Advanced Search:"gogear":Search in topic subjects only:Choose a board to search in:New Ports
17:23:08soapWill bring up the six New Ports threads.
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17:51:26fred_99do you know where "Recently Added" from the database are stored ?
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17:56:39Slasherifred_99: recently added tracks are searched by comparing the track's commit id to the current (increasing) commit id of the database
17:58:39fred_99Slasheri: thanks
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19:09:38soapWhat codecs does Rockbox not support ReplayGain on?
19:12:41linuxstbI guess things like WAV/AIFF (no metadata at all afaik), and the game/mod formats
19:13:24linuxstbOthers should all be covered by id3v2, APEv2, vorbis comments or mp4.
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19:14:03linuxstbWe don't support metadata on ac3 either.
19:14:21linuxstb(I think...) This is all from memory.
19:14:37soapThe HA.org Replay Gain wiki page needs fixed regarding Rockbox - and I didn't know where to look for a list of the codecs which do and which do not support replaygain on Rockbox.
19:15:15linuxstbThe source ;)
19:15:35soapNot knowing how replaygain in implemented in rockbox doesn't help me.
19:15:40soapI'll look into it.
19:17:58linuxstbsearching for "replaygain" in apps/metadata/ gives matches in "asf.c" (WMA), mp3.c (MPEG audio - i.e. id3v2), mp4.c (i.e. AAC and ALAC) and mpc.c (it seems musepack stores replaygain itself, not in the normal tags).
19:18:58linuxstbPlus ape.c (APEv2 - Monkey's and Wavpack) and vorbis.c (FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis) have it.
19:21:15linuxstbSo that seems to be the list - WMA, MP1/2/3, AAC, ALAC, Musepack, Monkey's Audio, Wavpack, FLAC and vorbis
19:21:35soapyes, as I understand it replaygain stores the information in the mpc gain header (i assume this works like MP3gain's implementation?)
19:22:11soapI was getting there - but I appreciate your work.
19:22:29linuxstbIt's worth two people looking...
19:22:45rasherlinuxstb: I have some ipodxml stuff on rasher.dk/rockbox/ipodxml/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ipodxml/
19:24:15linuxstbIt's a crazy XML format...
19:24:33rasherThat's why I made that page :)
19:24:44rasherSome sort of frankenxml
19:24:59soapIt appears Winamp is want to store replaygain values in APEv2 tags on AAC files. Seems intentionaly broken. I'll look into that.
19:25:46soapditto foobar.
19:26:39linuxstbThat's even more broken than ape tags in mp3 files. At least mp3 doesn't have any "native" tags.
19:26:48rasherWhere does Rockbox read replaygain for AAC?
19:26:56linuxstbFrom the mp4 container metadata.
19:27:05linuxstb(afaik)
19:27:09rasherIt has something suitable for storing rg?
19:28:03linuxstbI think it has what are called "extra" tags, which are simply key=value
19:28:21rasherAh, like TXXX
19:28:45linuxstbIf you say so, I've no idea what they are.
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19:29:15rasherThe same thing for ID3v2
19:31:32linuxstbrasher: Going back to your frankenpod - is just an empty iPod_Control directory enough?
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19:41:17*bluebrother uploaded an ipod xml to rashers page but forgot to XXX the serial number. Ooops.
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19:43:54rasherbluebrother: Was it a 2G green Mini?
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19:44:26bluebrotherrasher: yes.
19:44:29rasherI don't think there's any harm in revealing the serial number - what would it be?
19:44:55bluebrotherno, I don't think it's an issue either.
19:45:03rasherBesides, the serial number makes it possible to identify it :)
19:45:18rasherThe last 3 characters are unique to a specific model
19:45:33bluebrothertrue. If I ever loose my mini I can lookup the the serial at your page :)
19:46:20bluebrothernow that page misses displaying the color of my ipod :D
19:47:02rasherDoes it?
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19:48:12rasherI see: Ipod Mini 2G (4GiB Green) firmware version 1.4.1
19:48:52rasherAh, it doesn't show it when you upload it
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19:49:33rasherIf you reload the page it's listed at the top
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19:55:07dmbdo they sell any color ipods that run rockbox very cheap anywhere?
19:55:14dmbfor like under $100
19:55:19dionoeaebay?
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20:02:35bluebrotherrasher: that page is wrong −− my mini is 32GB :)
20:03:22rasherI suspect that's now how it was born
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20:11:34*n1s wonders how FS #10025 is a bug, it doesn't seem to state a problm and it doesn't seem like a feature request either really...
20:12:20rasherI think it's meant as a feature request to add Apple TTS
20:12:46*n1s closed
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20:13:18rasherBut a good idea. Just need someone with a mac to do..
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20:54:54vmxhi. i get an error message right after booting rockbox: "at 0000013e (0)". what could be wrong.
20:55:40vmxrochbox as updated quite a while ago, then this error occured. i tried to update with a current nighly, but it's still there
20:55:56vmxi forgot to mention that it is a rockbox c200
20:56:09vmxs/rockbox/sansa
20:58:03LloreanThere's more to the error message than that.
20:58:20LloreanIt's usually "Something happened at address" and the first half matters too
20:58:29vmxit's a grey bar
20:58:43vmxwhere the first line would be
20:58:51vmxperhaps it is because the display is flipped
20:59:32Lloreanhave you tried resetting settings?
20:59:51vmxi guess i should rtfm first
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21:05:20Lloreansoap: Maybe we should announce the release _freeze_ with a list of what targets that release will be for, in the future?
21:05:29LloreanIt seems every time a release rolls around, people want to know if it will be adding targets.
21:09:30soapI would not be shocked if there is a significant number of people who do not currently own a Rockbox target who only check in once in a while. I would also find it easy to believe this subset has their curiosity tweaked by the announcement of a pending release.
21:11:04LloreanWell, there's also just the simple trend of "release" meaning "new features not yet available to the public" for commercial software.
21:11:16LloreanLetting people know what to expect from the release two weeks before wouldn't be bad.
21:11:34soapFor many of these people, even those with some familiarity regarding OSS projects, the idea that everything (which works) in the pipeline is released daily would be confusing.
21:12:26soapYea - you just got to the point I was going to make. Unlike many other OSS projects Rockbox's releases come with no suprises. Nothing which hasn't already been seen by even the most casual of the masses.
21:13:06linuxstbWouldn't having a "freeze" announcement, followed by a "release" announcement just dilute the publicity though?
21:13:39soapIs one of the goals of the release cycle to gain some publicity?
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21:15:35Lloreanlinuxstb: Well, the releases are scheduled now.
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21:15:46LloreanThere's really *no* publicity in a release arguably everyone new about half a year ago.
21:15:55LloreanAs long as we keep on following our schedule, we're self-diluting.
21:16:15LloreanIf we want publicity, we need something interesting enough for each release that we can send out press-release style things to drum up attention.
21:16:22soapdither the release schedule!
21:16:27linuxstbsoap: IMO, yes - if we go to the trouble of a release, we want people to know...
21:17:55soapOn a pratical level, though, how do we sell the release? I'm guilty of this myself, but first answer to almost any problem a user is having with the release is "try a current build". It isn't like we have a Long Term Support policy regarding them.
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21:18:45Lloreansoap: I don't think we really need to be "selling" the release. Asking people to update to fix problems is no big deal
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21:19:12LloreanThe release still seems to be good enough for 70-80% probably unless we leave a major bug in. And beyond that, it's at least a very good starting point for people who don't want to risk cutting edge code.
21:19:26soapWell, if we can't define what it is we're "selling" - how do we whip up publicity for it?
21:20:33linuxstbWe're selling the new features and optimisations...
21:23:24Lloreansoap: I think we can sell "3.2" specifically because we _don't_ sell the current builds.
21:23:37soapI get that - and I'm not trying to be obtuse - just trying to figure this out.
21:23:40LloreanEven if we tell people to upgrade after, when we advertise, "3.2" is where we added IAP, not some random build between.
21:23:52LloreanIt will still be in the list of 3.2 features.
21:23:53soapWhy shouldn't I, as Joe average, use a "current build"?
21:23:58LloreanNo reason you shouldn't.
21:24:22LloreanBut many Joe Averages don't want to try development builds, or like "release" or version numbers. It's reassuring.
21:24:36LloreanIn my mind at least, 95% of the reason to have release builds is just psychological. People like them, for whatever reason.
21:24:48LloreanAnd because you can say "3.2 adds (giant list of features)" rather than having a trickle.
21:24:52LloreanIt's the frog again.
21:25:25LloreanFor some people, we're throwing them into a boiling pot every time we bring out a release. Shiny new stuff.
21:25:34LloreanBecause they don't want to track current builds and see what's changing. So it's exciting.
21:26:25soapOk, I can see that. 3.2 is aimed at a different audience than those who frequent the forums or IRC.
21:26:32LloreanThat's how it is in my mind at least.
21:26:57LloreanThere's a "current build" audience, then there's a "release audience" and there's no reason not to tell release people the current build is an upgrade if it'll solve their problems.
21:27:46soapThat makes it a lot more crystal in my mind. I've been struggling with "how to sell 3.2", but I think it is because I was picturing the wrong target audience.
21:29:07LloreanTo me at least, the goal of releases is to bring a new audience in, not offer something to our existing one.
21:29:12*linuxstb wonders if the owners of the download servers would let Bagder rsync their logs so we (Bagder ;)) could produce some download stats...
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21:31:26LloreanStats would be neat.
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21:42:43Horschtihow would I go about compiling the tools/database program with minGW?
21:43:18HorschtiI already have a build environment and I also isntalled mingw. "make" creates a linux binary without any error reports
21:43:34LloreanHorschti: If you're not using one of our recommended compiling methods, it's more or less your job to work out the new one you want to come up with.
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21:43:40Horschtinow, I want a windows .exe
21:43:57gevaertsHorschti: I expect CC=i586-mingw32msvc-cc make
21:44:17Horschtilet me try
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21:49:04Horschtiwell, it does something but building seems to fail. Are there any precompiled binaries of this tool?
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21:55:05linuxstbHorschti: I don't know if that tool even works - no-one has really worked on it recently... But I've just tried "CC=i586-mingw32msvc-cc make" and it fails because I haven't got the Windows SDL installed... (I've no idea why it needs SDL)
21:56:55Horschtik, i'll investigate further...
21:57:02Horschtithank you
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22:11:38vmxLlorean, in case you want to know what was wrong. the files system had errors, a fsck.vfat fixed the problem
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22:48:28casainhohello :-) −− I have a problem on this piece of code: http://pastebin.com/m7a8f6165
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22:49:23casainhodoing JTAG debug, I see that r3 is getting a different value than the 0x2002b98c and then PC goes to an location that don't have code, which then happens the undefined instruction code :-(
22:50:01casainhoI have a little video of debug session showing it: http://blip.tv/file/1879834?filename=Jpcasainho-r3Wrong542.flv
22:50:11casainhocan someone help me?
22:56:40linuxstbcasainho: That code looks fine - it is putting the contents of memory location 0x2002b98c into r3, not 0x2002b98c itself.
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22:58:17casainholinuxstb: realy? is just that? ;-) :-)
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22:59:52casainhooh, I thought the problem I am having of firmware hanging was because of that... but it hangs really near that code... −− I will now try to catch it :-) −− thank you :-)
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23:11:01casainholinuxstb: my problem is at this dissasembled code: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:11:21casainhodo you think that code is ok? −− it's wrong, no??
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23:13:48casainhothat code belongs to BSS section, which means is ok, at 0 values... but PC jumps to there... is strange for me to understand
23:20:19casainhoon this line of code: int spinup = ata_spinup_time();
23:21:51casainhoI am seeing the PC jumping to address of BSS, which have a value of 0. So PC jumps to the address of a variable with name "ata_spinup_time".
23:22:53casainhoand after that, PC never returns again..., it is like if it was going to a wrong address, here: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:23:00gevaertscasainho: ata_spinup_time is a function, not a variable
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23:23:33casainhogevaerts: so, can you please give a look at this disassembled code: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c ??
23:24:15casainhoyou will see there that variable, which have value 0 and is at BSS section........
23:24:41gevaertscasainho: is your code up to date? Before r18960, it was a variable
23:24:59casainhooh man!!! :-(
23:25:26casainhono, my code is not updated, because I get problems when doing SVN update :-(
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23:25:43linuxstbYou need to solve those problems...
23:25:56linuxstbEspecially if you would like to commit your code to SVN one day.
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23:26:29casainhomy version is: http://pastebin.com/m61a2573c
23:26:46casainhosorry:: 19939
23:27:17casainhowell, we are working on a simple patch, just with kernel_init, and with the new name "Lyre" :-)
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23:28:33casainhocan't someone help me resolving the conflits?
23:30:03linuxstbOnly if you say what they are...
23:30:09stripwaxif your patch is small, you could just revert to the svn version and reapply your patch..
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23:30:55Bagdercasainho: it a good idea is to svn up every now and then and simply fix the conflicts, that way you always have a fine patch in sync
23:31:46linuxstbI would say do it as often as you can - at least once a day. If a particular commit causes you problems, you can ask whoever committed it for help.
23:32:06casainhobecause I can't have on config files the name of my target at last, becuase some one is always adding another on that line....
23:32:23linuxstb"always" ?
23:32:30casainhomy problem now is on scramble.c
23:32:38casainhook, not always :-)
23:32:43Bagderthen you should work harder to get the patch applied in svn...
23:33:04casainhoyes, but that task is with another developer now....
23:34:01casainhookok −− I will resolv the conflits now.
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23:39:07AlHazHithere.
23:40:15AlHazIs there someone present who can explain cuesheet support in more detail than the blurb in the manual? It doesn't seem to work for me. I'm sure I've probably done something wrong, but the manual doesn't really expand on "if a cuesheet is found for a track"
23:40:46AlHazI have apparently failed to meet the qualifiers for that "if", but said qualifiers are not stated.
23:41:32linuxstbThere is nothing to explain - it looks for a .cue file with the same name as the audio file, and if it is found you will see track marks in the progress bar in the WPS, and you can skip to the next/prev tracks with left/right
23:41:58AlHazI have long_file_name.ape and long_file_name.ape.cue
23:42:19linuxstbIt should be long_file_name.cue
23:42:22AlHazok
23:42:31AlHazIt would be neat if the manual said so.
23:42:40linuxstbPatches to the manual are welcome ;)
23:43:29linuxstbIf you think something in the manual can be improved, just open a flyspray task and say what you think needs changing. Or ideally, provide a patch to the latex source code.
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23:45:23bluebrothercasainho: I'm surprised to not see other developers working on Lyre in this channel.
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23:47:14casainhobluebrother: well, I think Tomas Loyd did come here sometimes... at least he told me.
23:48:12casainhoother developer, Alex Cantos, is a hardware guy, we couldn't commit to our SVN... maybe he is not used to IRC, this kind of softwaere development
23:48:52casainhothe other one, Héctor is a guy from Java, he told me that he builds everytime the rockbox source for his ipod
23:49:11casainhoHéctor have the task of making that first simple patch
23:49:27casainhoand we are no more developers :-)
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23:49:53casainhoto say the true, I think I am the only one that have development board working, running the code...
23:50:35casainhoTomas also put his board working before, however he have some problems on his healthy so most part of time he is away from the project...
23:51:59bluebrotherwell, IMO it would be helpful if those guys would show up more often here as that's the place were development happens
23:52:34bluebrotherbut that's my opinion −− I also somewhat have the impression that those guys prefer to do "their own thing". Which isn't a good move IMO.
23:52:39bluebrotherbut that's just my impression
23:55:16casainhobluebrother: Tomas just help before on making a script to run a specific program to uplaod code for our ARM...
23:55:47casainhoAlex Cantos just designed the exapansion board (pure hadrware)
23:55:57casainhoand I am working on the code....
23:56:35casainhothat's why I think none of them feel the need to come here... since here people are more from firmware, right?

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