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#rockbox log for 2009-03-21

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00:03:00MTsaratoga_lab : no
00:03:57saratoga_labMT: its really simple, long block lengths give you precise measurement of frequency, while short block lengths give you less precision of frequency, but better localization in time
00:04:30saratoga_labso the encoder will look to see if the signal is changing rapidly or not, and decide on the block length
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00:04:59saratoga_lab(if it chooses wrong you get "preecho" which is an echo of a sound that happens before the sound)
00:05:20saratoga_labso all transform codecs will do some sort of switching between at least two block sizes
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00:07:41MTso , if the signal is rapidly changing, the better choice is short block lengths, correct ?
00:07:42fmlBigBambi: hello. I changed the style because it looked like erroneously indented text. What was the purpose of formatting it like this?
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00:08:13BigBambifml: I mean things like - for :
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00:08:46UnhelpfulMT: rapidly changing in terms of frequency composition, yes.
00:08:53BigBambifml: It doesn't really matter
00:09:01BigBambifml: can I PM you?
00:09:44fmlBigBambi: I think : is more appropriate here. And if it should be a dash, then "−−" should be used since just "-" is used for line breaking
00:09:45fmlSure
00:09:52kugelno secrets please! ;)
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00:10:55BigBambifml: That may well be true, and it really doesn't matter - I just think it is better to say something like, "I think this would be better, do you ming if I change it" I prefer - which is why I used it
00:11:36BigBambiAs I say, not a big deal - it just seemed a little odd to change the style to one you prefer just after someone else has written it
00:12:37saratogabasically all transform decoders are some variation on 1) decompressing packed data [huffman, arithmatic, whatever], requantization [basically multiplying by scaling factors to restore proper volume levels], and then inverse transforming via IMDCT
00:12:48BigBambifml: er, could you PM me - I'm having an epic fail moment :)
00:13:08saratogacook looks to stick to this pretty much exactly
00:13:42saratogawhich i guess makes sense since its fairly old, meant to be simple, and not designed by one of the MPEG committes
00:14:17fmlBigBambi: sorry, I got distracted, but now I'm all yours
00:15:37fmlBTW: is there really the word "filetype"? I was too lazy to check
00:18:26MTsaratoga : I see. I still have to learn about some stuff though. :)
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00:19:13Unhelpfulshouldn't we have code in codeclib for a lot of those steps
00:21:21saratogawe have one for the IMDCT
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00:21:47saratogawindowing should probably be added, but its quite simple anyway
00:22:24saratogasomeday doing it for huffman or whatever could be interesting, but i don't think any current codecs have a particularly optimal implementation, and I know little about it
00:23:41Unhelpfulthe problem with that is that some may need a pre-filter before using a generic huffman decoder - like we talked about with jpeg, which uses certain byte values for markers, and needs those escaped if they occur in the huffman-coded data
00:24:49saratogathe ffmpeg codecs all share common huffman code apparently without that, so its probably pretty standard, at least for audio
00:25:15saratogastandard bitstream parsing code would be nice as well
00:25:43saratogathen it could be ASMed for each arch and forgotten about
00:26:10Unhelpful"apparently"? perhaps container handlers, or some other layer before huffman, filters such things out for ffmpeg, though?
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00:33:44saratogaUnhelpful: the codecs I looked at all seem to use the standard VLC API in ffmpeg
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00:34:02saratogaits possible it can be inited into different modes though
00:34:26Unhelpfuli wonder how many different escaping schemes there actually are?
00:35:21saratogahard to imagine theres very many
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00:36:39Unhelpfulreally? when you could choose any magic byte to use as a marker? i'd imagine, though, that most codecs don't really have any need for inserting magic tokens into the huffman bitstream
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00:38:02Unhelpfulas far as a choice of magic marker bytes, i'd imagine that the jpeg one is probably least likely to actually occur in the huffman stream, so it's probably what anybody else uses
00:40:54saratogait looks like the vlc_init function takes a list of codes
00:41:10saratogai guess the market could be stored in there then?
00:41:54Unhelpfulpossibly. does mjpeg use "real" jpeg per-frame? maybe you could see how that inits it...
00:44:58saratogaUnhelpful: mjpeg does some sort of preprocessing before calling the standard ffmpeg vlc functions
00:45:28Unhelpfulhm! i believe the jpeg marker bytes is 0xff
00:45:55saratogabuild_vlc in mjpegdec.c if you're interested
00:46:19saratoga"init_vlc" is the standard ffmpeg init function, and the one we use for WMA
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00:47:11Unhelpfulwe don't use it for other codecs that use huffman for their entropy coding stage?
00:48:08saratogaother codecs use whatever they came with
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00:49:37Unhelpfulso we'd either need to modify tremor, libmad, etc extensively to use a different vlc decoder, or replace them with ffmpeg's decoders for those formats?
00:50:44saratogayeah
00:51:07saratogagrep says flac has the ffmpeg bitstream.h file. but it doesn't seem to use it for entropy coding
00:51:39saratogai suppose if we get the cook, wma pro or ffmpeg aac codecs ever, then they would share it
00:52:05Unhelpfuli don't think flac uses huffman, it uses rice codes, which by design represent a distribution of inputs that closely matches that of the residue from the LPC stage
00:53:08Unhelpfulalthough, i'm not sure *how* flac encodes its LPC coefficients
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00:54:53saratogaI'm not too concerned about flac, its fast enough
00:55:12saratogagetting vorbis, aac, and wma sharing as much code as possible would be nice though
00:55:21saratogasince they're all much slower then i'd liek and very similar
00:56:08saratogaI guess AC3 too but its already fast and obscure enough that I'm content to leave it be
00:56:26Unhelpfuland because we can then get excellent payoff for effort on optimizing that common code :)
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04:00:17doomwakehello
04:00:34doomwakecan some one help please
04:03:39doomwakei have a ipod video and i want a custom fireware to beable to not use itunes and just have it work like the psp just open it up like a flash drive and drag and drop
04:03:57doomwakedoes rockbox do that?
04:06:46doomwakeis everyone afk when there over 100 here?
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04:18:17jhulstdoomwake: It does do that, it will appear as a drive
04:18:42doomwakeno do you have a psp
04:19:22doomwakethere like a video folder and u just put them in there and they show up on the ipod
04:19:36doomwakeon the psp
04:19:48doomwakedoes rock box do that for the ipod?
04:20:28Unhelpfulyou can use the ipod as a regular drive with rockbox, if that's what you mean.
04:20:32scorchedoomwake: what else are you looking for?...he said it appears as a drive - you can drag/drop..
04:21:41doomwakeok do u have a psp there like foulder that you just drag and drop the files in than they show up whe n you power up the ipod
04:21:53doomwakeok do u have a psp there like foulder that you just drag and drop the files in than they show up whe n you power up the psp
04:21:55scorche...
04:22:15doomwakei dont want to use itunes is there away to get around that
04:22:22jhulstIt will show up in Rockbox, not in the original iPod firmware
04:22:26scorchefor the last time, yes
04:22:59doomwakeo ok so it a duel boot thing
04:23:31doomwakeis there a way to make it show up on the ipod fireware or no?
04:23:42scorcheyes...all of this is covered int he FAQs and the manual...i suggest you read them...
04:23:59scorchethis is #rockbox..where we talk about the Rockbox firmware..not the ipod firmware
04:24:28doomwakeok thanks sorry
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06:26:42rvvs89JdGordon|afk: Left it on overnight, still working perfectly
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06:49:06doomwakehow do i run the ipod firware when i have rockbox on there
06:49:25scorchethat is answered in both the FAQs and the manual
06:51:46doomwakeyou cant jus tell me
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07:14:51rasherSo, any thoughts on deploying the new theme site in time for the release (if we can make it)
07:15:49LloreanYou have somewhere in the "two days" range.
07:16:07scorcheit would be nice, but i would rather not rush it...
07:16:33LloreanI think it's not really worth rushing for. We can roll it out (and possibly a new rbutil if we need one) during the 3-months with a "Beta" mark, then make it official after the 3.3 update
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07:17:27rasherIt pretty much works. Rbutil should work as with the old site
07:19:16rasherrasher.dk/">http://home.rasher.dk/ and admin.php (msg me if you want a login :-)
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07:29:10rasherIt lacks a bit on the admin side, but I should have that fixed today
07:29:46rasherI would consider the remaining things non-essential, really
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07:32:21scorcherasher: that theme guidelines link is way too small..
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07:33:53rasherI just copied it from the old site in svn
07:35:02rasherI think that stuff belongs in the wiki still.
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08:04:18rasherperrikwp: You seem to have sent me an empty mail
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08:58:03*amiconn thinks we should do something about the MIN() and MAX() problem
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09:00:17rasherWhat is that?
09:02:17amiconnRight now our MIN() and MAX() macros are trivial - and lead to double expansion of their arguments
09:02:26amiconnThis wastes binsize and cpu time
09:03:43amiconnThere is a solution - make them more function like, using typeof() and __builtin_constant_p()
09:03:58amiconnThis is used e.g. in the linux kernel
09:04:33amiconnBut there are some problems to solve: (1) we cannot use the linux kernel implementation directly, because that's gpl v2 only
09:05:38amiconn(2) We need to distinguish between this, and a preprocessor compatible implementation (which can keep the simple variant).
09:06:10amiconn(3) It needs to be introduced in a case-by-case basis, otherwise there will be tons of yellow
09:06:56amiconnLast time I tried, I tried to replace MIN() and MAX() themselves, which caused warnings all over. "Comparison between signed and unsigned" and similar
09:07:41amiconnHence, my idea would be to introduce min() and max(), but this goes against the rockbox coding guidelines...
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09:08:34Unhelpfulamiconn: can't we use something along the lines of the example here? http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.2//gcc/Statement-Exprs.html
09:08:40amiconnThat said, this macro wouldn't behave much like a macro, more like a real inline function, which just happens to adapt to its argument's datatypes
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09:09:38Unhelpfulthere's also a typeof-based example here: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.2//gcc/Typeof.html#Typeof
09:09:57amiconnThis is what I'm talking about...
09:10:18Unhelpfulwon't that still warn if a and b differ in signedness?
09:10:42amiconnAgain, this is what I'm talking about...
09:11:24amiconnThe simple typeof() case isn't enough though. Either of the two arguments could be a compile-time constant, in which case the cast should be made to the other argument's type
09:11:41amiconnHence my mention of __builtin_constant_p()
09:12:13Unhelpfulah, i wasn't sure what you intended to use that for. yes, that seems wise
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09:16:04amiconnJust to clarify, I don't see the signedness warnings as being bad. It's rather a good thing to check all these places which use MIN() and MAX() today for potential problems. But fixing all these warnings at once while making sure everything still works would be nearly impossible
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09:18:05amiconnMy problem is mainly that min() and max() go against the coding guidelines, and the gplv2 issue with the linux kernel implementation
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09:19:21rashercouldn't we live with a yellow build table for a while?
09:20:53amiconnI'd rather not. We've seen that persistent yellow leads to overlooking unrelated yellow
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09:22:44Unhelpfulor somebody could go through all the resulting yellows at once, but that's a nasty bit of work, probably
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09:47:19n1sdo we usually remove fixme notes from a release manual?
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10:18:30n1sgevaerts: what does HAVE_USBSTACK mean if USE_ROCKBOX_USB is not defined (like on the release branch) ?
10:23:00n1si'm asking because ther's a note in the manual that doesn't apply if you dont' have the rockbox usb stuff but it depends on "usbstack" which depends on "HAVE_USBSTACK"
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13:10:49bluebrotherrasher: themes download with rbutil works again :)
13:10:58jerryluchi, i now there's a wiki entry about installing the apple firmware from linux on rockbox.org. but i can't find it, does anyone know the entry title or something?
13:11:11bluebrotherI had to make some small changes to rbutil.tpl though. Plus found a bug in rbutil
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14:00:36lovetruthhey :)
14:00:45lovetruthi have a question ...
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14:01:34lovetruthi have a canyon mp4 (.mtv, mp3, jpg and .txt player) player ...
14:02:01lovetruthhow can i check if rockbox would work for my device? ...
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14:02:29Unhelpfullook at the front page at www.rockbox.org, where there's a list of supported players?
14:02:40lovetruthi did take a look, i did not find canyon
14:02:45lovetruththat is why i am asking, actually
14:02:47lovetruth:)
14:03:24lovetruthcanyon is a chinesse thingie, like huawer & so on ...
14:03:33pixelmaRockbox only works on the listed player, nothing els
14:03:36pixelmaelse
14:03:57pixelmaand players...
14:04:03lovetruthor - if i would be able to backup surely my curent firmware& everything i have on the 2gb "mp4" player ...
14:04:10lovetruthi would install rockbox on it :)
14:04:26lovetruthi mean ... the huawei version - might be pretty like that one, i suppose :)
14:06:23Unhelpfulis huawei on that list?
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14:07:10lovetruthi meant iriver :)
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14:11:02Unhelpfulif you are suggesting they are similar based on appearance, that matters very little. there can be pretty much anything inside one of these devices, and each supported device has generally had to start from scratch, with figuring out a way to get code onto the device, developing drivers for its DAC, LCD, and controls, etc, etc.
14:11:25Unhelpfuli'm not even sure how you think you would go about installing rockbox for some other device on yours.
14:12:11tmztwould h series iRiver be considered an mp4 player?
14:12:27tmztor are there other iRiver devices?
14:12:33tmztsupported
14:13:00lovetruthwell, i did not installed yet mp4 alternative software on iPods, mp4 players & etc, but ... i have (not a huge one,) pc knowledge, some C programming, and some linux knowledge (not so much experience in linux yet, even)
14:13:45lovetruthwhat is the most "chinese" version of rockbox? ... (i mean which version is more meant for "chinese players" ) ? ...
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14:14:13Unhelpfuleach version is meant for one *specific* player. there is not a "for chinese players" version.
14:14:46lovetruthbecause chinese people usualy go for the cheapest method to build their chinese devices... so - it pretty means that they usualy used the same standards for their devices, so it quite might be pretty much the same, maybe with little modification
14:17:40lovetruthhttp://www.mp4nation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4110 - for example
14:18:26lovetruthalso - another question about rockbox ...
14:19:20lovetruthmy mother has a nano iPod device .. it doesn't normaly play videos ... i saw on the internet that i can install rockbox or something, and so the iPod nano would play some video's (avi, etc... ) ?...
14:19:29lovetruthis that possible?...
14:21:31tmztare ther usually firmware protection on these devices, since that's held up certain sansa and similar devices?
14:23:47PaulJamlovetruth: if it is a first generation nano, then you can install rockbox and watch videos (mpeg2 only).
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14:26:35lovetruthhow can i check that?
14:29:25PaulJamhttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
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14:33:11n1stmzt: most players tend to have some kind of firmware protection, yes
14:33:50lovetruthiPod nano iPod nano is smaller than iPod mini and has a color screen and a Click Wheel but has flash memory instead of a hard drive. Song and photo syncing only occurs over USB 2 (not FireWire). iPod nano comes in white and black. The capacity of the iPod nano is engraved on the back of the case (1 GB, 2 GB, or 4 GB).    The dock connector (1) and headphone jack (2) are both on the bottom of the iPod nano.
14:33:58lovetruththat is my mother's player
14:35:33lovetruthis a white one :)
14:35:47lovetruthactualy, the color of the metal, that kind of grey :)
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14:54:58gevaertsn1s: HAVE_USBSTACK means that (a) it does the high-level protocol in software and (b) there's an actual driver, so it enumerates. USE_ROCKBOX_USB means that it does MSC in rockbox
14:55:11gevaertsNo USE_ROCKBOX_USB means that it reboots to the OF
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14:56:17n1sgevaerts: so the note about pressing a button to go to charging mode after ejecting from the host does not apply to the release and should depend on USE_ROCKBOX_USB?
14:56:38gevaertshm, yes
14:59:40*n1s is confused, the feature depends on both those defines but that section is still present in the manual i built from the release branch for e200...
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15:04:21n1saha! the "usbstack feature is in features.txt twice with different condidtions :/
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15:05:41*n1s will do a Quick and Dirty (tm) fix for the release manual and look into it closer on trunk
15:07:31jaykaygevaerts: is it wanted that while booting at the bottom of the screen first "boot ver. 203...." and then "Ver.3.2 - 203..." is shown?
15:07:56gevaertsthe first one is the bootloader version
15:08:40jaykayshouldnt this be 3.2 too?
15:08:46gevaertsno
15:09:48gevaertsbootloader version is independent of rockbox version
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15:11:09*gevaerts is going to assume that all fixes in the 3.1 branch are also in trunk, so we only need to look at "disable x for release" style commits to redo
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15:14:19gevaertsn1s: what plans do you have for the 3.2 manual? I think it makes sense to coordinate things a bit so we don't duplicate too much work
15:15:44n1sgevaerts: i don't know, i think we usually remove the various fixme notes from the release manuals, don't we?
15:16:47gevaertsn1s: "svn log svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/v3_1 -r 19470:HEAD manual" is what I'm looking at. I've already merged r19533
15:16:59gevaerts19470 was the 3.1 branch start
15:17:33TBOL3Ok, I'm going to assume that talking about the Google Summer of COde Proposel is not off topic, if it is, holler and let me know.
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15:17:46gevaertsTBOL3: it's definitely on topic :)
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15:18:57TBOL3So, I am very interested in giving it a go. Unfortunently, I think that the only limeting factor may be that I do not have sufficient background in coding.
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15:19:53TBOL3so is there anyway I can find out how much experience I will have had to know before begining? I've compiled my own build, and I've done basic work with C/C++.
15:20:44n1sgevaerts: r 1953[12] was what i was thinking of, will you do that or should I?
15:20:49gevaertsit depends. I certainly wouldn't recommend things like big codec optimisations then, but other things may require less advanced knowledge
15:21:02gevaertsn1s: feel free :)
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15:21:39gevaertsTBOL3: what sort of project are you interested in? Do you have coding experience in languages beside C?
15:21:40wangxiangAnyone knows where the speech synthesis module of Rockbox locate exactly? In the svn trunk or branch? Thanks!
15:21:55n1sgevaerts: ok, how about those generated warnings for missing screenshots, are they worth removing?
15:22:25n1swangxiang: what "speech synthesis module" are you talking about?
15:22:25TBOL3I see. About a month ago, I was talking on the Anything but iPod forums about making a simpaler version of rockbox.
15:22:45gevaertsn1s: I think so, yes. The release manual isn't where anyone is going to look for work to do
15:22:47TBOL3But I also like the idea of making a ubiquates software program to sync with rockbox.
15:22:58TBOL3Both of those ideas seem to be on the project ideas list.
15:23:20wangxiangIn the gsoc 2009 web page, it says " Text to Speech in core.
15:23:20wangxiangRockbox currently supports speaking by premade voice clips"
15:23:48gevaertswangxiang: pre-made. There's no TTS in rockbox itself at the moment. This project idea is about adding that
15:24:00wangxiangSpeech synthesis =Text to speech
15:24:20tmzthas anyone seen flite for arm? it's a c version of festival
15:24:36tmztwith the voice built in
15:24:37wangxiangthanks, so I have to read the source code of rockbox firtst
15:25:00TBOL3Oh, and I also have some basic experience with Python, but most of my knowledge is in C/C++.
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15:25:55gevaertsTBOL3: "simpler" as in the usability study thing? Do you have experience in UI design? This project has a tendency to look like something easy, but it really isn't (it may be easy coding, but UI design is hard...)
15:26:15wangxiangflite is a version of festival used in embedded systems
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15:28:07TBOL3I have very little experience in good UI design, I have only talked with several people to see what type of interfaces they would find pleasent to use.
15:28:29n1sthe various LANG_USBSTACK* strings are the only strings that depend on the "usbstack" feature and they are not used anywhere, is there a reason to keep them around?
15:29:11TBOL3But I honostly think that Player management tool, would be fun to make.
15:29:28n1sTBOL3: what would that tool do?
15:29:32gevaertsn1s: I guess not. I wouldn't touch 3.2 there though :)
15:29:57gevaertsn1s: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SummerOfCode2009#Player_management_tool
15:30:35n1sgevaerts: i'll not touch the branch with sucha a change, but was thinking about trunk and the double usbstack features
15:31:06gevaertswangxiang, tmzt: yes. flite would be one of the potential TTS engines for rockbox. Another possibility might be an older version of espeak (older because it is now GPLv3, and we want to remain GPLv2 or newer)
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15:33:09gevaertsn1s: what do we do about the other items (changelog and menu structure page)?
15:33:44TBOL3n1s: Some basic ideas that I had were (I don't know how feasable all of these are), syncing audio with the player, organizing it into a database, possibly manage podcasts/other syndicated stuff, and (if possible), keep track of things you are listening to. For example, if you were listening to an audiobook, and were 1/2 of the way through a file, you could sync it to your computer, and continue where you left off.
15:34:35TBOL3That way, you can keep all of your audio content easily managed.
15:35:31n1sgevaerts: i think a short changelog would be very nice but dont' know about the menu structure
15:36:37gevaertsTBOL3: my personal opinion about this (feel free to ignore it) is that this is something that should be done in a way that makes the rockbox-specific part reusable, so various other media manager people (amarok, xmms, ...) can make use of it to have goor rockbox support as well
15:37:24tmztsomething like mtp/ptp would be interesting
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15:37:44n1sTBOL3: ah, i guess one initial thing for that project would be to separate the database building code into a library and possibly other libraries for interacting with rockbox could be created
15:37:46TBOL3gevaerts: Yup, I'm not talking about making a simple front end media player. Rather, I'm thinking of making a backend that can be plugged into the user's favorite media playor.
15:39:17gevaertstmzt: it would, but I think that's a separate thing from what TBOL3's talking about.
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15:44:43gevaertsI think it may be a good idea to drop the changelog from the manual. It's mostly just a copy from MajorChanges, and it's always lots of work to keep it in sync
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15:50:23wangxiangwho knows the mentor of TTS engine Rockbox? Thanks
15:51:21n1sgevaerts: is there more to it than adding a new title and a list of changes for every release?
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15:52:41gevaertsn1s: depends. The last two releases I filtered it for release-targets
15:53:16gevaertsWe can just include everything of course, and add a sentence at the top explaining this
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15:56:35casainhohello :-)
15:56:38gevaertsn1s: the problem with that is things like the USB stack. It's enabled on trunk, but I don't think we want it in the changelog in the release manual
15:57:33n1sgevaerts: yes, that's a problem but i dont' see how the wiki page is dealing with this in a better way
15:57:39casainhoLyre target player do not use I2S, just SPI, but I am getting this warning: warning: "CONFIG_I2C" is not defined
15:58:04n1scasainho: I2S != I2C
15:58:25casainhosorry, I wanted to mean I2S
15:58:36casainhosorry again, I wanted to say I2C
15:59:02gevaertsn1s: well, in a pedantic sense the wiki page says "in svn", not "in 3.2". When we add the "in 3.2" header, the usb line could move up. You're right in that it's not very clear though
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15:59:18casainhodoes all the targets really need to have I2C? so I need to use an empty stub for I2C?
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16:00:02tmztpedantic
16:00:02tmztpedantic
16:00:10tmztwhat
16:00:12rasherI think rather Rockbox needs to use #if defined(CONFIG_I2C) somewhere, rather than accessing the value
16:00:20tmztsorry
16:02:30*gevaerts is confused by the changelog
16:03:21rasherbluebrother: Why didn't you commit your changes to rbutilqt.tpl?
16:03:37casainhorasher: do you have any idea of what should I do not not getting that wranings?
16:03:55tmztgae: I don't mean mtp the way windows media uses, something that was still compatible with a sane file layout but doesn't require mounting a filesystem/block device
16:04:07gevaertscasainho: we don't have *any* context...
16:04:47casainhogevaerts: I don't know what you mean
16:06:10gevaertscasainho: "I am getting this warning: warning: "CONFIG_I2C" is not defined" is not nearly enough to even begin to guess what's going on. If you want help with that sort of thing, you need to provide the full build output
16:07:57gevaertstmzt: (I assume you're talking to me...) as far as I know MTP says nothing about file structure, so the host-side tool doesn't have to know that we do unconventional things like using a sane directory structure :) MTP is actually on the list of GSoC suggestions
16:08:23casainhogevaerts: thanks. I will do it :-)
16:10:00casainhohere is the full build output: http://pastebin.com/m6066e97b
16:12:52gevaertscasainho: I think the best solution is to add "#define I2C_NONE 0" to firmware/export/config.h (around line 170), and then define CONFIG_I2C as I2C_NONE for your target
16:13:38casainhogevaerts: okok. Thanks.
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17:53:55gevaertsWhy isn't there anything about pictureflow on MajorChanges?
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19:08:10timingHey
19:08:52timingmy iAudio X5 clock is broken, i think that's a broken or empty battery thing?
19:09:36timingor could it be a bug?
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19:29:41jaykaygevaerts: i have a suggestion and a bug for 3.2
19:29:59jaykayfirst the suggestion: applying r20355 also for 3.2
19:30:30jaykaymaybe also r20399 and r20400, but they're too "dangerous"
19:31:35jaykayand a bug: when the playback fades in/out, the progressbar and remaining time sometimes "switches" very fast
19:32:12jaykaye.g. 3:32, 3:33, then fast to 3:32 and back to 3:33
19:32:24jaykayi hope you understand :)
19:34:19gevaertsjaykay: I don't think any of those is serious enough to backport to 3.2
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19:34:58gevaertsAbout this bug, does this keep happening, or does it just go back and forth a bit during fading and then stop?
19:35:33jaykayonly while fading, when the music stops completely the time-display stops too
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19:37:55gevaertsok. That should be fixed in trunk then, but again I don't think it's serious enough for 3.2.
19:38:06gevaertsThe problem is that any change risks introducing new bugs...
19:38:31gevaertsIt is serious enough to file a bug report though ;)
19:40:42jaykaydo you really dont want to apply r20355 for 3.2? its really noticable and can be annoying, and this version is the one many users will be using for the next 3 months...
19:40:51jaykaybut thats of course your decision
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19:41:20jaykayi'll check whether the second bug happens in svn and file a report
19:41:49gevaertsit's not *my* decision :) I won't commit fixes to bits of code I don't know anyway
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19:42:40gevaertsit's just my opinion that it's not serious enough to risk new bugs for
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19:46:36ahois the device chart (wiki) just outdated or are newer models not supported? (it's sorta hard to find those old players anywhere)
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19:47:51gevaertsDeviceChart isn't supposed to be the list of supported models
19:48:21ahoand what is supposed to be the list of supported models...? :>
19:48:30gevaertsthe list on the front page
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19:52:16ahowhich one of those is still sold?
19:52:25aho(don't want an ipod)
19:52:42LloreanNone are sold new. Some can be found refurbished, and many used.
19:52:48scorchethey all are still sold...just not as new in retail stores (ebay is a good bet)
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20:23:14fmlHello. What do you think about FS #10038 ? Would it improve the table?
20:24:39gevaertsUnhelpful: could you add a line about PictureFlow to MajorChanges?
20:25:28bluebrotherfml: sounds like a good idea to me. But maybe it's better to swap the play action −− "play file and switch to wps"
20:25:31Unhelpfulabout its working during playback on most targets, and working with playback stopped on pretty much everything?
20:25:45gevaertsyes
20:26:31bluebrothernot completely sure though.
20:27:47Unhelpfuldo any *supported* targets besides archos have <=64KiB plugin buffer? that's the cuttoff for pf-during-playback.
20:29:33LloreanNo.
20:30:28fmlbluebrother: may be. But the order is not very important here IMO, since it's an internal detail. The end result is the same.
20:30:45Unhelpfuland all official builds have tagcache enable? that makes it nice and simple. :)
20:31:12gevaertsI think so
20:31:13Unhelpfulpictureflow works on all supported targets except player, and works during playback on all non-archos targets
20:34:48fmlbluebrother: I now think that only "start to play the file" is necessary since "show the WPS" is the consequence of it
20:35:47archivatorCould someone please update TagcacheDBFormat in the wiki - the length and index field of an entry are now ints (4 bytes).
20:37:11Lloreanfml: You can start playing a file without showing the WPS too. So distinction should be made if it also leads to showing the WPS.
20:37:21Lloreanarchivator: If it's a wiki page, you can update it.
20:37:50fmlLlorean: yes, you are right. I'll leave it as it is now
20:38:50archivatorLlorean: I thought only a few select people could do that.. Thanks.
20:39:53fmlLlorean: but is it otherwise ok?
20:41:15Lloreanarchivator: No, the wiki is mostly public. There is a requirement during signup that the username then be added to the userlist, but anyone on the userlist can do this. It's mostly bot-prevention.
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20:41:40Lloreanfml: I only looked at some of it, and don't see anything I really disliked.
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20:41:51archivatorAnyone willing to add me then? DelyanKratunov == me :)
20:42:19fmlLlorean: hehe, a statement of a politician :-)
20:43:54Lloreanarchivator: Done.
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20:44:22archivatorThanks.
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20:47:40casainhohello :-)
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20:48:01casainhodoes anyone knows why this define "#define AT91_AIC_SVR(a) (*(volatile unsigned long*) ((0xFFFFF080) + (4*a))) // (AIC) Source Vector Register"
20:48:25casainhowhen used on a C code file gives a warning of implicit function declaration?
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20:48:39casainhoAT91C_AIC_SVR(AT91C_ID_SYS) = (unsigned long) pitc_handler;
20:52:24tmztyou didn't escape the endlines?
20:53:00casainhotmzt: endlines? I don't understand...
20:53:50tmztlike / at the end of the lines
20:53:59tmztnewlines I meant
20:54:31tmztsorry, \ at the end of each line of the macro
20:54:45gevaertswhere do you see multiline macros?
20:55:13casainhotmzt: ah, no. I am not changing the line.
20:55:15tmztoh, yeah that's just screen
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20:56:58casainhogevaerts: do you see any error on that macro?
20:57:04casainhoor use of the macro?
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21:00:14Schnueffha
21:00:25SchnueffAT91_AIC_SVR != AT91C_AIC_SVR
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21:00:51Schnueffand in the def it would be better to bracket a, i.e., 4*(a)
21:00:53bluebrotherhaving a // comment at the end of a macro kinda calls for trouble
21:01:50casainhoSchnueff: I didn't understand....
21:02:00Schnueffthere an extra C in the usage of the macro
21:02:02*bluebrother wonders why casainho doesn't simply drop this stupid register stuff and create proper definitions for all registers like the other targets do
21:02:03Schnueffthere is
21:02:24Schnueffthat's why it's not expanding it...
21:02:32casainhoSchnueff: ahahahah!!! oh thanks ;-)
21:02:42tmztCPP does not have the same rules as C
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21:03:39casainhoI were working on this with domonoky and he probably make that typo, and I did copy with the typo and didn't saw it :-)
21:04:15bluebrothercasainho: imagine a macro you call like MACRO(2 + 3), and the macro itself does a "2 * a". You'll get 2 * 2 + 3, which is different to 2 * (2 + 3). Thus macro arguments should always use enough brackets :)
21:04:37casainhobluebrother: I am working on it, and I were working with domonoky and he didn't warning me about anything −− I hope today commit the patch for the tracker and then I will wait for your suggestions
21:06:21casainhobluebrother: ok, I understood with your example... but I am not seeing a solution for my needs
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21:21:56jaykay_gevaerts: how can i call this bug with the fast-changing time? i dont know a meaningful name
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21:44:05jaykaycould someone look through http://pastebin.com/m22bd96d0 and find a meaningful name for it?
21:44:12jaykayit should be a bug report
21:47:05archivatorjaykay: "inaccurate time indicators when pausing with fading on" - kinda verbose but accurate.
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21:57:18archivatorIs there a particular reason why tagcache structs (tagfile_entry and index_entry) are in tagcache.c and not tagcache.h? You don't want them exposed to other parts of the codebase?
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22:09:05bertrikexposing only the essentials of a module and nothing more is generally a good design principle
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22:18:27archivatorbertrik: Generally, but in this case is a limiting factor. The bare-bones database app in tools/database/ actually #includes tagcache.c and implements some stub methods. Not the most elegant of solutions... My solution would've required the reimplemenation of some things in tagcache.c (well, all the functions actually) but would actually allow for a better separation between a database app and core rockbox (tagcache.c include *a lot* of stuff that's n
22:18:27archivatorot needed on a PC).
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23:03:02mc2739bertrik: still looking for a tester for e200v2 charging?
23:03:33rasherbluebrother: Any idea why you didn't submit your change to rbutil.tpl?
23:03:56saratogaeven if he isn't, its not a bad thing if more people test a patch before its commited
23:04:20bertrikmc2739, yeah, charging might not be the most important thing right now, but getting it working shouldn't be hard
23:05:12mc2739bertrik: what can I do to help?
23:05:17saratogahmm am I right in reading dreamlayer's email to mean he knows how to avoid the occasional failure to boot on the ipods
23:05:28bertrikmc2739, there's a patch in FS #9968 that should work, I'll see if it still applies cleanly
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23:12:04stripwaxsaratoga - hm, my guess is then that the OF writes a *different* string on clean shutdown. so the failures to boot could be caused by whatever random junk happened to be in iram on shutdown. possible? or is iram never preserved
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23:19:29stripwaxhas anyone actually disassembled the OF shutdown code?
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23:27:20bertrikmc2739, the patch still applies fine to current SVN, could you try this out? The easiest way is to go to the battery debug screen and plug the charger cable in, then have a look at the voltage reported and observe the voltage graph over time (it should go up to about 4.2V, stay there a while and drop about 50 mV as the charger turns off automatically)
23:28:03bluebrotherrasher: only because I was busy with other stuff :)
23:28:16rasherFair enough. I'm unlikely to touch that anyway
23:28:36bluebrotherwanna look at the changes first? It's my first time working with smarty ;)
23:29:19rasherFirst time I did anything serious with it as well, so I don't know if I'll be much help, but sure
23:30:28bluebrotherrasher: http://pastebin.ca/1367562
23:30:56mc2739bertrik: I'll do it now and post the results to the Flyspray task
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23:32:10bertrikI'm curious if the battery voltage shows a realistic voltage during charging or not, on the v1 sansas it showed a way too large value under some circumstances
23:32:41rasherbluebrother: You should probably use ${root}${datadir} rather than themes/ - just to be on the safe side
23:33:07bluebrotherok, will do
23:34:59rasherOther than that, I can't spot anything obvious, except to add |escape:'quotes' after all user-supplied fields.. which are a lot
23:37:07rasherShould do the same with |escape:'html' for most other places
23:43:03bluebrotherescape meaning replacing the characters with their html entities?
23:43:59*bluebrother spots the example
23:45:03rasherDifferent kinds of escaping http://smarty.net/manual/en/language.modifier.escape.php
23:45:21rasherI think escape:'quotes' is what we want for the ini-style file
23:46:18bluebrotherwell, the about-entry is passed as html to the GUI
23:46:58rasherI don't think we're going to allow html there, really
23:47:48bluebrotheror to be more exact, the description box is constructed including this and rendered as html (to get the hr's in the display). Though allowing html from the theme site might neither necessary nor a good idea, indeed.
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23:48:42bluebrotherhmm, then rbutil might need to filter that too. Just to be sure.
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23:50:43bluebrotherrasher: ok, updated version here: http://pastebin.ca/1367576
23:50:53rasherOr just do |éscape:'html' for that field
23:51:12bluebrotherhmm. Might be an option too.
23:51:31bluebrotherthough author is also used there.
23:51:37rasherWhy do you do |lower?
23:52:44rasherThat seems like it'd break really fast
23:52:49bluebrotherbecause in my installation the folders are lower-cased.
23:53:16bluebrotherI have a line like this: archive="themes/176x220/ultima_176x220_v1.0/Ultima_176x220_v1.0.zip"
23:53:39bluebrotherthought it was intentional to lowercase all folder names.
23:53:57archivatorWhen working with festival, should I keep using both festival −−server and festival_client or should I reimplement festival_client functionality in the rbutil backend? It's not that much code, really.
23:54:18rasherbluebrother: Oh wait, you want to use theme[i].shortname
23:54:39rasherIt's not guaranteed to be the same as the zipfile name
23:54:50rasher(though it will usually be)
23:55:25bluebrotherok, so it gets archive="{$root}{$datadir}/{$themes[i].mainlcd}/{$themes[i].shortname}/{$themes[i].zipfile}"
23:55:32bluebrotherright?
23:55:40rasherYes
23:56:19bluebrothergreat. I found that replace / lower thing somewhat awkward anyway ;-)
23:56:53rasherI wonder why lowercased the shortname in the first place
23:57:08rasherSeems completely unnecessary
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23:57:36bluebrotherI'm going to commit that then with escape:'html'. We can always change again it if needed :)
23:57:47rasherYup
23:58:06rasherI'll be going through the other templates to add escape:'html' as needed now
23:58:30bluebrotherthough current rbutil still won't work correctly −− found a bug that makes it get hiccups on the [error] section

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