#rockbox 2009-04-03

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-03

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02:20:38	vonsoo	hello, any google summer of code mentors in here?
02:22:46	rwcr	I see several, but I don't know if they're around.
02:23:09	vonsoo	ah thanks
02:23:28	vonsoo	i'll try again later is everyone if afk
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03:21:08	soap	What are the remaining issues to be decided regarding my ideas for forum reorg?
03:23:19	JdGordon	someone to actually do it probably
03:23:45	soap	I wasn't sure if we ended that thread with a consensus or not. ;)
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03:24:18	soap	dreamlayer's recent iPod Color/Photo build might get the attention it deserves in a "Testing Builds" forum.
03:24:50	soap	And a "Testing Builds" forum also gives a perfect answer to "What can I (as a non-programmer) do to help Rockbox?"
03:25:59	JdGordon	I would love a testing builds forum where only devs could start new threads
03:26:16	Unhelpful	hrm, i like that. :)
03:26:24	JdGordon	I should get my build-your-own-rockbox site working gaain
03:26:56	Unhelpful	it might be as useful as/more useful than kicking stuff to the mailing list for testing, which is what i'm about ready to do w/ FS #9992
03:27:10	JdGordon	the ml is almost useless to get testers
03:27:33	JdGordon	devs dont care enough to test patches not in "their" area
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03:27:47	JdGordon	users on the other hand dont mind testing if there is a build ready
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03:28:14	Unhelpful	JdGordon: which means that the bulk of testing for that particular patch has been on exactly two devs, and myself on sims :/
03:28:45	soap	dreamlayers isn't a "dev"
03:29:06	JdGordon	Unhelpful: prety much
03:29:18	JdGordon	he's a 1337 hax0r?
03:29:36	Unhelpful	isn't he a committer now? and hasn't he contributed some things?
03:29:37	soap	he has no official status last I looked.
03:29:48	soap	did I miss the change?
03:30:36	Unhelpful	i thought i'd heard such. i can't just look at COMMITTERS until i pull, which i've not done for a couple of weeks
03:31:49	soap	I'm wrong - 20557
03:32:23	soap	8 days ago
03:33:50	rasher	JdGordon: it's also that many/most devs are rather boring users
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03:43:21	DarkSpectrum	is there anyway of using a remote keyboard with the rockbox text editor?
03:43:37	soap	no
03:44:23	DarkSpectrum	dang
03:51:04	JdGordon	rasher: haha yeah for sure...
03:52:23	DarkSpectrum	hey rasher: i put "USB Charging: off" in config.cfg but every time i reboot it's missing, any sugestions?
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05:07:56	JdGordon	FUCK YEAH! 9795 IS READY TO GO
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05:08:57	DarkSpectrum	what is the correct name then?
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05:42:09	TBOL3	Ok peeps, I apologize for the late hour (at least based on the stats I think it's a late hour for most of you), but I've finished my GSOC app, and would like to know what you guys think of it.
05:44:27	TBOL3	Also, about how many applicants did you get, and how many do you think you'll be able to accept?
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05:47:43	rwcr	TBOL3: Slots are assigned in proportion to applications received, so every organization will have to reject about the same fraction of applicants.
05:48:17	rwcr	Overall numbers as of several hours ago: 2275 students submitted 3500 applications for 1000 slots.
05:48:19	TBOL3	Oh, great.... so, about how many applications did you get?
05:48:33	TBOL3	I mean just for rockbox.
05:48:37	rwcr	I'm not a Rockbox official, sorry :-)
05:48:49	TBOL3	Out of curiosity. Ow well, thanks anyway
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05:49:17	rwcr	NP, and I might be able to answer other questions if they don't require "behind-the-scenes" access.
05:49:19	TBOL3	So, is there anyway, I can look at the abstract of other GSOC applicants?
05:49:28	TBOL3	I know I can't view the whole app.
05:49:51	rwcr	The abstracts of accepted students are published on April 20th; there's no way to look now without the help of the student.
05:50:52	rwcr	Out of curiosity, what's your proposal idea?
05:51:02	TBOL3	Ok, thank you. I guess every other question I had would require 'behind the scene access', as I would like to see what you think of it, so i can change it, in my last remaining hours.
05:51:04	TBOL3	But thanks anyway. :)
05:51:22	rwcr	If you want an outside opinion, you can c&p it to a Google Doc or something.
05:51:55	rwcr	Or wait for a mentor to come along and ask them for their opinion, but they might not be thrilled about the last-minute aspect.
05:52:19	rwcr	I'll be happy to give you my opinion, with the caveat that it's not at all authoritative.
05:53:01	TBOL3	Sure, I'll put in a google doc, but what's your username thingy, so I know who to share it with?
05:53:08	rwcr	oremanj
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05:55:14	TBOL3	@gmail.com?
05:55:28	rwcr	Yeah.
05:56:24	TBOL3	Ok, it's sent.
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06:03:51	DarkSpectrum	does anyone here have the compiled contacts rock for sansa c200 ?
06:04:32	DarkSpectrum	TBOL3: send to me i'll check it out
06:05:40	TBOL3	Ok, I need some type of email, or something like that.
06:06:00	DarkSpectrum	ds@darkspectrum.net
06:07:18	TBOL3	Ok, I need to know if you actually got it, as gmail gave me an error.
06:08:40	DarkSpectrum	yep i have it
06:08:43	DarkSpectrum	reading it now
06:10:47	DarkSpectrum	looks pretty cool
06:11:48	rwcr	TBOL3: Sorry for delay, I was at dinner - checking now.
06:12:07	DarkSpectrum	i wonder how many people the GSOC will actually get on the rockbox project
06:13:34	DarkSpectrum	TBOL3: want to make something i think is really needed? a WPS for the radio
06:14:40	DarkSpectrum	maybe also a graphical "band scan" for the radio, now that would be kick ass
06:14:42	TBOL3	That's part of it.. But I'm a bit confused by your punctuation, are you saying that with a sarcastic, a confused, or a happy voice?
06:14:54	vonsoo	hey do you guys mind reading over my application as well?
06:14:56	DarkSpectrum	happy
06:15:13	TBOL3	rwcr: T'is okay, I've got things to do as whell..
06:15:25	TBOL3	Oh, ok, thanks.
06:15:59	DarkSpectrum	TBOL3: i should get more into coding, so far all i've done is make themes
06:17:21	TBOL3	How much do you like math?
06:18:04	TBOL3	And ya, it's awsome. If you want to start out with something practicle, go with python, but if you have some time to kill, and you want to think, go Lisp is awesome.
06:18:15	DarkSpectrum	love it, i know dumb langs like basic, qbasic, vbasic, vbasic.net
06:18:25	DarkSpectrum	trying to learn C
06:18:38	DarkSpectrum	but my computer stats suck for a full developement eniroment
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06:18:52	TBOL3	Ah, i see. Umm. this isn't rockbox related, if you want to talk programing, we probably should do it via PM.
06:19:03	DarkSpectrum	Please set a custom Line to use it.
06:19:38	DarkSpectrum	OS: [WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)] � CPU: [1 CPU - Intel Pentium III, 797 MHz, L1: 16KB L2: 256KB (18% Load)] � Mem: [Usage: 338/512MB (66.02%)] � HD: [Total/Free: 13.93/7.42GB] � Up: [3d 10h 51m 30s]
06:21:29	TBOL3	Hmm.. interesting, fairly old, but not too bad. Anyway, I PMed you, you probably should use it, instead of this channel. So we don't make the all powerful dev's angry.
06:21:51	DarkSpectrum	allready talking to you there :)
06:22:00	rwcr	TBOL3: Comments in PM.
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06:27:23	yashwa7	Hi all, I'm a Masters CS student in UMN.
06:27:35	yashwa7	I've got 3 yrs work experience in Texas Instruments.
06:27:50	yashwa7	I worked in the Portable Media Player division.
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06:29:17	yashwa7	I'm interested in GSoC and would like to get some ideas.
06:29:47	yashwa7	I was busy tied up with my assignments, and i have one day left for proposal.
06:29:59	scorche	yashwa7: well, have you checked out the ideas page?
06:30:09	yashwa7	I have installed rockbox in my Ipod nano too!
06:30:59	yashwa7	oh yep, I have been having a look at it, but wanted to know which one is very important for rockbox now.
06:31:11	scorche	a few =)
06:31:20	scorche	did any of them particularly pique your interest?
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06:32:52	yashwa7	every project sounds very interesting, and doing it for money is great.
06:33:15	yashwa7	Fixed Point WMA Professional Codec seems a good one.
06:33:27	yashwa7	i have development experience with ARM code.
06:34:20	TBOL3	scorche: rwcr told me to ask you about my GSOC application.
06:34:45	rwcr	[suggested because it looks like you're the only mentor who's around right now, and I'm not really qualified to comment]
06:34:47	TBOL3	Umm... could I convince you to look over this first draft?
06:34:57	TBOL3	Yup, thanks.
06:35:33	TBOL3	What do you need to get a copy of it?
06:35:41	TBOL3	And thank you.
06:35:47	scorche	yashwa7: i am not sure which timezone you are in, however there are likely some europe folk that would be better qualified to talk to you about your ideas then...i know there isnt much time left for a proposal, but...
06:36:11	scorche	TBOL3: erm...i can have a brief look over it, but i don't have much time at the moment to go over it in full, really
06:36:20	yashwa7	i'm in Eastern Time Zone.
06:36:28	scorche	can you just paste it on pastebin.ca?
06:36:47	TBOL3	scorche: Ok,thanks, give me a moment.
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06:36:57	DarkSpectrum	i really wish someone would/could code the WMA 9 Voice codec
06:37:58	TBOL3	Sorry, it's out of my league :(
06:38:02	scorche	DarkSpectrum: go for it ;)
06:38:10	yashwa7	ha, thanx for that, DarkSpectrum, I'm interested, can you tell me more?
06:38:41	TBOL3	scorche: Ok, here it is. http://pastebin.com/m449ade10
06:38:48	yashwa7	to intro myself, i'm a student planning for GSoC.
06:39:13	TBOL3	rwcr recomended that I change the mood of the application to be a bit more serios than it was.
06:39:34	DarkSpectrum	scorche: if i knew the first thing about it i would try
06:39:42	scorche	DarkSpectrum: learn!
06:40:39	DarkSpectrum	dont have that much time on my hands, i've religated myself to other things for rockbox i can do, make themes "WPS" and other general light work
06:41:28	yashwa7	DarkSpectrum, wishing to get your attention :)
06:42:24	DarkSpectrum	???
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06:43:04	scorche	TBOL3: "By the way, how do you know that applicants actually built it, and aren�t just saying that they did it?"...there will be a qualification task that will come into play during consideration of applications ;)
06:43:11	yashwa7	You said about coding WMA9 voice codec,
06:43:22	yashwa7	i would like to make a proposal for that.
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06:43:46	DarkSpectrum	i'm just a member here man, i am in no way incharge of anything
06:44:00	yashwa7	oh ok, thanx.
06:44:03	scorche	yashwa7: he was just idly wishing...i would see if you can find saratoga or linuxstb active around here if you wish to make a proposal for that
06:44:52	DarkSpectrum	i just make what things i can, when i can to improve my own DAP and contribute back to the others that have made such a kick ass system
06:45:28	yashwa7	oh ok, can scorche tell me some proposal that he might be interested in?
06:45:58	yashwa7	i will also contact saratoga and linuxstb.
06:46:04	TBOL3	scorche: Ok, I was wondering that, as anyone could just say, yes I made it.
06:47:48	DarkSpectrum	yashwa7: do the wma 9 voice, no one else has even attempted it and god knows how many people want it
06:48:16	*	scorche hasnt heard anyone particulay clamor for it, but..
06:48:40	TBOL3	I don't. :) I love vorbis.
06:49:04	yashwa7	thank you, darkspectrum, can you just give some more specifictions?
06:49:25	DarkSpectrum	i listen to a ton a speech radio shows, and speex well... well i think wma 9 voice encodes it the best for 5 kbits
06:49:35	DarkSpectrum	not really
06:49:36	yashwa7	it's a decoder thats required, is the format spec available?
06:49:48	DarkSpectrum	i have no idea man
06:49:54	yashwa7	ok.
06:50:04	scorche	yashwa7: as i said, if you are interested in codec work, you will wanting to talk to either saratoga or linuxstb likely whenever they are active
06:51:02	yashwa7	yep, scorche, I'm interested in other ideas as well, and just wanted to know if any idea might interest you.
06:51:25	yashwa7	i mean some idea that you would find good.
06:51:50	scorche	yashwa7: a number of those interest me, however in GSoC it is best for the student to choose an idea that they are more passionate about, as they are going to be the ones working on it ;)
06:52:34	yashwa7	yep, scorche, thanx.
06:57:12	yashwa7	but one or two ideas from you, scorche, i will see if I will love to do them.
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07:01:51	scorche	yashwa7: i particularly like the USB ideas and more codecs are always nice
07:02:08	yashwa7	thanx, scorche.
07:02:28	scorche	if you are interested in USB projects, look around for gevaerts to be active
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07:03:52	DarkSpectrum	scorche: would an on-screen remote control via usb be theoretically possible?
07:04:15	DarkSpectrum	because that would kick much ass if it would be
07:04:28	scorche	it depends on the device and how it was implemented
07:05:16	DarkSpectrum	c & e 200's ?
07:07:24	TBOL3	Umm... at that point, I think it would be cheeper to just make one.
07:07:38	TBOL3	I mean, make one not out of the e200s, or c200s.
07:08:27	TBOL3	Anyway, I am literally falling asleep, I have got to go to bed. Thank you for all of your help, and thank you for making rockbox (and themes) :)
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07:16:33	JdGordon	can anyone think of any logical reason to write the id3 entry for the track that just finished back onto the buffer if it still fits?
07:16:38	*	JdGordon honestly cant
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07:28:09	Unhelpful	we don't seem to have "previous track" wps tags, so no, i can't think of a reason?
07:57:17	linuxstb	yashwa7: What's your question?
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08:17:53	JdGordon	the only value in the mp3entry struct I can guess that gets updated is the file offset one, but that gets zerod if you skip backwards on purpose so that cant be it either
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08:48:11	JdGordon	can everyone who is interested in a stable swcodec please please please test 9795? I'd really like it to go in on the weekend.. (i.e sunday)
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08:55:21	kugel	JdGordon: your patch doesn't fix 10085, because the full_update is set to false after the mainscreen is updated (i.e. same issue as in svn). Either _update() runs for both screens, or full_update set to false after both screens have called it, should fix it
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09:00:28	JdGordon	thats because YOU changed the update function to not work on both screens at the same time
09:00:33	*	JdGordon wins!
09:01:30	JdGordon	simple enough fix though
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09:02:56	kugel	JdGordon: wrong. update was for each screen before too.
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09:03:18	kugel	and amiconn said he heard reports of not-updating wps reports before
09:03:25	JdGordon	one of the functions did both screens...
09:03:39	kugel	display was the one
09:03:40	JdGordon	please dont commit that patch in 10085
09:04:06	kugel	I didn't plan, at least not until you commit yours.
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09:04:20	JdGordon	good :)
09:04:35	kugel	still, you should be removing the events
09:05:08	JdGordon	its not that i disagree... I dont really care either way.. its not an issue
09:18:14	Unhelpful	it has some whitespace inserts at ends of lines. i've got it cleaned up on my end, if you care about that sort of thing. :)
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11:21:27	B4gder	some 10 hours left
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12:00:11	LinusN	sure, google will send one case of lager a week to all students :-D
12:02:35	pixelma	or honey? :P
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12:13:10	pixelma	Unhelpful: sounds good, will try the new patch on FS #9992 later on all my targets
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12:15:13	janne_oksanen	hey guys
12:15:57	janne_oksanen	do you know of a project trying to make use of the video decoder chip in the 5th gen ipod video?
12:16:44	Unhelpful	it's not publicly documented. there's been, to my knowledge, no progress, nor any real attempt, at using it.
12:17:35	janne_oksanen	do you mean within the rockbox project or in general?
12:17:35	rasher	janne_oksanen: there's a bit here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9787
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12:23:20	janne_oksanen	ok, thanks guys
12:23:37	janne_oksanen	and sorry for bending the channel guidelines :)
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12:30:11	archivator	Is -56 dB the sound threshold on all targets?
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12:45:26	soap	no, it varies by codec
12:45:40	linuxstb	archivator: Most targets are much lower.
12:46:17	archivator	Any #define I could use to get that threshold?
12:46:43	soap	(codec as in the chip on the DAP, not the audio decoder)
12:47:30	linuxstb	archivator: Maybe something like VOLUME_MIN - grep the source for "volume"
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12:52:43	archivator	linuxstb: right, it's VOLUME_MIN (10*min volume). Thanks!
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13:54:41	xSIENIKASx	идите-ка все на хуй,суки
13:54:51	xSIENIKASx	ебанут�‹е!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:55:00	Bagder	stop that please
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14:16:44	[IDC]Dragon	Hi Rockboxers!
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14:16:54	Bagder	hey!
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14:17:30	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder, you could be my man, we have a svn question over here
14:17:49	[IDC]Dragon	about branching and merging
14:18:07	Bagder	take it to #rockbox-commity but I'm about to run off now
14:18:14	Bagder	community even
14:18:34	[IDC]Dragon	is there a CGI:IRC for that, too?
14:19:45	obo	you should just be able to /join to it
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14:21:12	[IDC]Dragon	no, it's blocked
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14:23:48	[IDC]Dragon	ah, works, I copy+pasted Bagders typo
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14:42:00	zicho	how do i check the path of a file in my database?
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14:47:54	kugel	zicho: hm, not sure. You could try playing it and then looking at the id3 viewer
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14:48:31	kugel	or use a wps which always displays the full path of a song
14:48:51	zicho	okay, thx
14:48:52	kugel	Zagor: ping
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14:49:58	kugel	seems you are/were interested in FS #9371? I'm too, but I agree that I find many changes unnecessary or unrelated. hopefully he will fix it soon
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14:51:49	Zagor	yes. it appears to be related to his environment being something non-standard, but I'm not sure
14:52:24	kugel	the isspace thing for example. casting to char isn't right either, as this function takes an actually int
14:53:21	Zagor	yes, it's rather odd
14:53:36	Zagor	and even if it were right, it shouldn't be in this patch
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15:25:20	markun	mikeage: I think it only works on some targets, let me look is up
15:25:57	mikeage	thanks: FS7035 seemed to be quite old, but with no updates in over a year, I thought it may just be out of date
15:26:05	mikeage	s/35/53/
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15:29:16	markun	mikeage: here you can see HE-AAC performance on some targets (but not all) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison
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15:30:29	mikeage	thanks markun
15:31:51	markun	I guess you will just have to test the performance. But PS is not supported as far as I know.
15:32:14	mikeage	fair enough; I only (think) I need SBR for now
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15:51:45	kugel	Hmm, I'm looking at the rockboxdev.sh issue
15:52:00	kugel	is there really any reason to not just take rbdev-build if it's already there?
15:52:44	kugel	rockboxdev.sh always aborted if it already existed, but only before building started (if it created it itself it didn't complain, I introduced that :( )
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16:29:48	kugel	if not, I'll just make it work like how it checks rbdev-dl (check existence (create if not exists), then permission (fail if no permissions))
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16:36:55	PaulB	Hi guys. I've installed rockbox on my ipod a long time ago, and then decided I couldn't really get used to it. I decided to delete it, but somehow the bootloader stayed in place. Whenever I rebooted my ipod, it would boot to the rockbox bootloader, saying it couldn't find the appropriate files. I'd then reboot, and flick the holdswitch.
16:37:53	PaulB	However, recently my headphone plug broke, so I bought a new headphone plug and put it in. Since then, the hold switch hasn't worked, so I found myself unable to switch systems whenever a reboot occured. I decided to reformat my ipod as soon as possible. Unfortunately, before then my battery went dead.
16:37:57	PaulB	Now here comes the problem:
16:39:03	PaulB	whenever I do anything with my ipod, it flicks on the rockbox screen with a battery and lightning flash. When rebooting, the screen goes dead and the image fades away (even when flicking the hold switch, which I have now pulled out so I can use it for this occasion).
16:39:27	PaulB	If I plug the ipod into my computer, it still displays the battery and lightning flash.
16:39:38	PaulB	It is not recognized by my computer, and I am unable to switch bootmode.
16:39:40	PaulB	So finally:
16:39:45	PaulB	does anybody know what I can do about tis?
16:39:47	PaulB	this*?
16:40:25	PaulB	Sorry for the wall of text, by the way.
16:40:37	linuxstb	kugel: Regarding rockboxdev.sh, you should ask Bagder. He's the person (according to svn praise) who wrote the comment saying that the builddir shouldn't exist when the script is run.
16:41:09	kugel	ok
16:42:09	kugel	Bagder: ping :)
16:44:03	rasher	Perhaps to make sure the build process doesn't accidentally overwrite something important?
16:44:04	PaulJam__	PaulB: can you enter the emergency disk mode?
16:44:18	PaulB	Uhm, what's that?
16:44:49	kugel	rasher: I'm not sure what could be important in rbdev-build
16:45:04	rasher	kugel: well if you change the dir to something else
16:45:10	kugel	the chance that someone has this dir without using rockboxdev.sh is next to zero, I guess
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16:45:21	PaulB	PaulJam__: would that be the numbercode on the inside of my ipod, or would it be on the box I bought it in? Or elsewhere?
16:45:21	rasher	But it could be something else.
16:45:55	PaulJam__	PaulB: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1363
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16:47:44	PaulB	Yes, I tried that. However, when I do that, Rockbox brings up an image of the battery with an exclamation sign, and then it immediately switches to the battery with the lightning bolt
16:48:48	PaulB	fuck.
16:48:48	PaulB	I just broke my holdswitch
16:48:57	rasher	That's not Rockbox doing that
16:49:07	PaulB	jyeah, I know htat, thanks.
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16:50:07	rasher	PaulB: well you've said twice that rockbox gives you an image of a battery - there is no such thing in Rockbox. Your issue is with the Apple firmware.
16:50:15	PaulB	o
16:50:18	PaulB	right
16:50:22	PaulB	really?
16:50:53	rasher	Unless I'm totally missing something, then yes.
16:52:05	rasher	Honestly though, I don't know much (else) about how the ipod boots and works, but what you describe is not a part of Rockbox
16:52:49	PaulB	okay
16:52:53	PaulB	we are talking old rockbox here
16:53:00	PaulB	like, 2007 or so, I think
16:53:02	PaulB	maybe 2008
16:53:14	PaulB	well screw this stuff
16:53:17	PaulB	I'm just gonna send it in
16:53:19	PaulB	this is driving me sick
16:53:27	linuxstb	PaulB: The first code that is run when you power on (or reset) an ipod is Apple's bootloader in flash ROM. That's giving you the problems, but they're not serious...
16:53:35	PaulB	okay
16:53:49	fuzzie	the exclamation point -> lightning bolt sounds like normal low-battery condition behaviour from the ipod firmware
16:53:50	PaulB	but, you see, the string that attaches my hold switch to the actual switch
16:53:51	PaulB	broke
16:54:02	PaulB	yeah, but when I plug the ipod in, it does not charge
16:54:10	PaulB	and the pc doesn't recognize it (neither of the two I tried)
16:54:24	linuxstb	Do you have a wall charger?
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16:54:37	PaulJam__	can you stoll boot to the apple os when holding menu during the rockbox bootloader or was that disabled completely?
16:54:41	linuxstb	ipod's generally are not happy when they are low on battery. But they can aways be charged.
16:54:58	linuxstb	PaulJam__: I don't think it's getting that far...
16:55:08	linuxstb	But yes, that was never disabled.
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16:56:24	PaulB	no
16:56:33	PaulB	I do have a cigarette thing connector, but no car
16:56:48	PaulB	:D
16:57:02	PaulB	o wait, I do have a wall connector, but that's us. I might have a US -> europe converter
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17:00:31	PaulB	right, found a converter
17:02:55	amiconn	linuxstb: s/always/almost always/
17:05:02	PaulB	okay
17:05:02	PaulB	it's working
17:05:02	PaulB	now I'm just praying it wasn't on hold when the switch broke off
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17:05:02	PaulB	working = the screen's lit up and it's doing something
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17:06:02	PaulB	right
17:06:05	PaulB	well it seems to be working
17:06:05	rasher	PaulB: I'd let it sit for an hour to make sure it gets a bit of charge
17:06:13	PaulB	yeah
17:06:33	PaulB	yeah the battery icon is flickering grey and green, and it's full all the time
17:06:53	PaulB	with a lightning bolt over it
17:06:54	PaulB	does that mean it's charging?
17:07:01	PaulB	thanks a lot so far by the way guys
17:07:13	Buschel	PaulB: the image you described (battery + flash) is a sign of deep discharge of the battery.
17:07:50	PaulB	yeah, I just saw on the ipod site
17:07:51	PaulB	For some iPod models, if your battery has been fully or nearly discharged, a monochrome non-animated version of the battery icon, shown above, appears on the screen when connected to your computer's USB port (even with a color display). In this state, the iPod will not be able to communicate with your computer. Simply leave the iPod connected; when the iPod i
17:07:59	PaulB	oh well, my bad for not doing the research
17:08:08	PaulB	the 'good' part is that I never use my hold switch anyway
17:08:17	PaulB	still sucks I had to break that thing off :+
17:08:33	Buschel	PaulB: just wait a few minutes (or hours?), it will reboot if recharged to a minimum level
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17:09:37	PaulB	yeah, it's in normal mode now
17:09:44	PaulB	isthat what you mean?
17:10:15	Buschel	PaulB: yes. now it is charged to a minimum and needs to charge normally
17:10:26	PaulB	right
17:10:32	PaulB	so I can leave it in the adapter now too, right?
17:10:54	Buschel	if it is charging -> yes
17:12:03	PaulB	it says "Charging" with a battery flashing green and yellow, so I think I'm doing fine
17:12:07	PaulB	thanks a bunch!
17:12:18	Buschel	no problem :)
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17:43:29	rasher	linuxstb: Any ideas on how to get FS #10093 right (for the other browsers)
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17:48:25	*	rasher doesn't see why JdGordon\|zzz said this would be a problem. It seemed rather straight-forward
17:48:56	pixelma	did you have a look at how the fm presets list does it (I'm sure it at least highlights the currently selected station)?
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17:51:44	rasher	pixelma: that doesn't use the file browser does it?
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17:54:28	pixelma	no idea, guess not
17:56:10	rasher	The patch I posted does work - it's just limited to the font browser, and I'm not sure how to apply it to theme, language and wps without a good bit of duplication
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18:14:37	linuxstb	rasher: I know no more than you, and need to run now...
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18:16:59	JdGordon	rasher: ?
18:17:31	rasher	JdGordon: You made it sound like selecting the currently loaded font in the font browser would be a chore - it turned out to be rather simple :)
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18:18:40	JdGordon	because you cheated!
18:18:45	rasher	Did not!
18:18:48	JdGordon	you used_set_current_file()
18:19:04	rasher	I don't see why I should not use that?
18:19:08	*	JdGordon totally forgot about that func
18:19:56	yash	I have submitted my proposal for GSoC, i was wondering if someone can go through it and provide comments.
18:22:09	Bagder	yash: such will be posted in the app
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18:26:31	snizwickit	is it too late to submit a summer of code app?
18:26:46	Bagder	you have 2.5 hours left or so
18:27:20	snizwickit	have there been many for rockbox this year?
18:27:23	snizwickit	just curious
18:27:32	Bagder	we're on 17 applications right now
18:27:42	snizwickit	how many do you pick?
18:27:43	Bagder	although the amount doesn't really tell about quality
18:27:52	Bagder	snizwickit: we don't know yet
18:28:01	Bagder	we've had 4 the other two years
18:28:23	Bagder	it depends on mentors and what google gives us
18:28:23	snizwickit	cool
18:29:34	snizwickit	ah man, no applicaitons are being accepted anymore :(
18:29:52	yash	Bagder, I don't see any comments for my proposal.
18:30:02	snizwickit	guess i will be working on my idea for free :)
18:30:16	Bagder	"19:00 UTC" it says...
18:30:31	Bagder	yash: "will be"...
18:30:57	yash	But, bagder, if some comments could be provided, I can improve upon that.
18:31:01	yash	before the deadline.
18:31:20	Bagder	yash: yes, but we've had quite a large amount coming in just before the deadline
18:31:44	snizwickit	the student dashboard doesn't let you submit a new app
18:32:11	snizwickit	but anyway, here is my idea: i'd like to make an ID3 tag editor for rockbox
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18:34:08	snizwickit	just from an entry in the context menu for a song
18:34:13	snizwickit	or something
18:34:16	snizwickit	it's an idea i've had for a while
18:34:19	JdGordon	rasher: that looks ok actualy, except you havr to make sure the global_setting.val[0] != '\0';
18:35:18	rasher	Would anything bad happen, other than set_current_file would fail?
18:35:19	domonoky	snizwickit: submitting applications should still work. (2.5 hours left) if you have problems, maybe you can get help at #gsoc
18:35:33	snizwickit	domonoky: do i need anything from my school to submit an app?
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18:36:40	domonoky	snizwickit: i think not, but i am not sure. (i think paperwork is needed when you aktually get accepted.. )
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18:39:33	JdGordon	rasher: probably not... but you should do it anyway
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18:42:13	rasher	JdGordon: What, just because?
18:43:23	JdGordon	yes
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18:43:45	rasher	I thought we were trying to save on space
18:44:03	JdGordon	one extra check might be 32 bytes... sfa
18:44:15	JdGordon	set_file might change so it could cause wierd shit to happen
18:44:17	rasher	sfa?
18:44:26	JdGordon	sweet ... all
18:45:00	JdGordon	work time
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18:47:19	rasher	Okay, it seems it would in fact break (as would all calls to set_current_file that ends in a slash as far as I can tell)
18:47:37	rasher	On the other hand, is there any way a setting can be unset in that way?
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19:08:40	snizwickit	man, i hope my proposal gets accepted
19:09:29	yash	me too :)
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19:15:07	snizwickit	yash: what is your proposal?
19:15:09	snizwickit	just curious
19:15:36	snizwickit	if you don't want to say, that's cool
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19:16:46	saratoga	can proposals be edited after the GSOC deadline?
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19:18:00	MarcGuay	Copyright infringement, anyone? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=e200
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19:18:05	MarcGuay	P.S. Hello.
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19:19:00	saratoga	ugh why can't these students come into IRC more then a day before the deadline
19:19:11	MarcGuay	than
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19:19:32	domonoky	saratoga: i think they cant edit after the deadline, but the can post comments..
19:21:05	*	rasher wonders why MarcGuay wasn't more specific
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19:26:21	LambdaCalculus37	rasher: He was probably in a hurry.
19:27:16	Llorean	I think the Apple logo is pretty obvious, anyway
19:27:52	LambdaCalculus37	Llorean: Down it goes, then.
19:30:02	saratoga	so I can write up questions tonight and then ask prospective students later?
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19:44:37	linuxstb	rasher: What do you think about having a page on the theme site that just shows one theme - so people can link to it? e.g. the name of a theme could be the link.
19:44:56	Llorean	Or at least giving each one an anchor?
19:44:58	linuxstb	That could potentially show things like a list of targets that theme works on.
19:45:26	linuxstb	I would prefer an individual page - anchors won't help much with a two-dimensional grid of themes.
19:45:40	rasher	linuxstb: I think that's a fine idea. I think there's already a bit of code for it, it just turned out that it wasn't really necessary
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19:45:56	linuxstb	rasher: It sounds simple to me ;)
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20:33:36	snizwickit	man, 30 minutes
20:33:37	snizwickit	i gotta hurry
20:33:58	Bagder	27 ;-)
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20:38:44	snizwickit	man, i odn't think my project is going to take a whole summer
20:38:55	snizwickit	but whatever
20:38:59	snizwickit	might as well submit it anyway
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20:44:05	linuxstb	snizwickit: The important bits are describing yourself - if your application is good, we can think of ways you can spend your time...
20:44:18	snizwickit	linuxstb: got that part down :)
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20:44:37	pixelma	snizwickit: are you aware that there is/was at least one (maybe even two) ID3 editor patches in the tracker?
20:44:49	snizwickit	no :(
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20:45:31	rasher	pixelma: none of them are useful iirc
20:46:13	pixelma	and old but still one could have a look, no?
20:46:26	JdGordon\|	neither did v2 did they?
20:46:29	rasher	Hm, seems FS #1008 does do v2, but the other one is only ID3v1
20:47:07	rasher	But it's woefully out of date
20:47:12	JdGordon\|	what would be nice is a plugin which was built from the ground up to be able to modify tags in any of the supported formats
20:47:29	JdGordon\|	obviously adding them over time.. but not built for just id3
20:47:55	JdGordon\|	imnd you.. I still think thats somethinmg more suited to a computer than the dap
20:48:06	JdGordon\|	mind*
20:49:17	Llorean	JdGordon\|: It is nice to be able to fix the occasional typo though
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20:49:34	pixelma	I was too slow but also wanted to suggest that it could extended to other meta data formats. It would be nice to fix the occasiional typo but for tagging a complete album or so, computer is better
20:49:52	pixelma	meh too slow again...
20:50:29	*	JdGordon\| refrains from suggesting that speed here is related to the number of X chromosones :D
20:52:17	*	snizwickit 's proposal is submitted :)
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21:20:03	snizwickit	man, i have a lot of reading up to do before SoC..
21:20:20	archivator	Would we mere mortals get to see the GSoC proposals or just the accepted projects? I could use an idea or two for my next plugin..
21:20:55	scorche\|sh	archivator: the public can only see the abstract of accepted proposals
21:22:45	archivator	I see. I guess I'll look for inspiration elsewhere :)
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21:41:10	BigBambi	archivator: You could always look at the GSOC ideas page
21:42:40	archivator	BigBambi: I had something else in mind but I figure it'd just end up like the Feature requests that everyone ignored. Never mind me, moving on..
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21:45:24	snizwickit	archivator: the best way to predict the future is to invent it.
21:45:34	snizwickit	or in this case, code it
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22:30:01	Bagder	gsoc status: 22 applications received and we're past the deadline
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22:37:01	Bagder	700 points!
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22:44:08	pixelma	Bagder: repeat ;)
22:44:34	Bagder	yeah, there was no fix attempt in there
22:45:16	archivator	rb->lcd_putsxy is supposed to use the color specified with lcd_set_background for the background, right? In my case, it isn't, what am I doing wrong - http://pastebin.com/d6d678a7a
22:45:22	fml	Hrm... My recent commit produces linker errors for some platforms: rocklife.c:(.text+0x118): undefined reference to `read'. What could be the reason?
22:45:27	Bagder	the problem is an rb->read() that now is a read()
22:45:51	Bagder	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/rocklife.c?r1=20609;r2=20610;pathrev=20610 line 135+
22:46:17	fml	Bagder: i.e. I should writed it without "rb->"? What about open?
22:46:30	Bagder	you removed the "rb->"
22:46:33	Bagder	so it fails now
22:47:10	Bagder	it works in the sim because there read() exists
22:47:20	fml	Bagder: ah, stupid me!
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22:53:06	pixelma	archivator: on a greyscale or a colour target?
22:53:18	archivator	Color - ipod video sim
22:53:59	pixelma	because I believe that LCD_LIGHTGRAY is only used on greyscale targets, not sure though
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22:54:15	archivator	#define LCD_LIGHTGRAY LCD_RGBPACK(170, 170, 170)
22:54:23	archivator	Straight out of lcd.h
22:54:51	pixelma	ok
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23:20:25	snizwickit	anyone have the final count on applicaitons?
23:20:54	Bagder	22
23:21:03	BigBambi	22
23:21:15	*	BigBambi is always late :/
23:21:19	gevaerts	snizwickit: yes. Bagder announced it here 50 minutes ago :)
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23:25:36	gevaerts	about the same
23:25:51	gevaerts	I can't remember if it was 21 or 23, but it wasn't far off
23:26:05	GodEater	did they all suck as badly as this years lot ? :)
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23:26:59	GodEater	hit and run application survey ?
23:27:03	gevaerts	hm no, 27
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23:27:43	gevaerts	(not counting the really hit-and-run applications)
23:32:45	fml	Are all file types registerd in viewers.config (or what's the name?) automatically shown in the file browser if the settingis set to "Show Supported"?
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