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#rockbox log for 2009-04-03

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02:20:38vonsoohello, any google summer of code mentors in here?
02:22:46rwcrI see several, but I don't know if they're around.
02:23:09vonsooah thanks
02:23:28vonsooi'll try again later is everyone if afk
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03:21:08soapWhat are the remaining issues to be decided regarding my ideas for forum reorg?
03:23:19JdGordonsomeone to actually do it probably
03:23:45soapI wasn't sure if we ended that thread with a consensus or not. ;)
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03:24:18soapdreamlayer's recent iPod Color/Photo build might get the attention it deserves in a "Testing Builds" forum.
03:24:50soapAnd a "Testing Builds" forum also gives a perfect answer to "What can I (as a non-programmer) do to help Rockbox?"
03:25:59JdGordonI would love a testing builds forum where only devs could start new threads
03:26:16Unhelpfulhrm, i like that. :)
03:26:24JdGordonI should get my build-your-own-rockbox site working gaain
03:26:56Unhelpfulit might be as useful as/more useful than kicking stuff to the mailing list for testing, which is what i'm about ready to do w/ FS #9992
03:27:10JdGordonthe ml is almost useless to get testers
03:27:33JdGordondevs dont care enough to test patches not in "their" area
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03:27:47JdGordonusers on the other hand dont mind testing if there is a build ready
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03:28:14UnhelpfulJdGordon: which means that the bulk of testing for that particular patch has been on exactly two devs, and myself on sims :/
03:28:45soapdreamlayers isn't a "dev"
03:29:06JdGordonUnhelpful: prety much
03:29:18JdGordonhe's a 1337 hax0r?
03:29:36Unhelpfulisn't he a committer now? and hasn't he contributed some things?
03:29:37soaphe has no official status last I looked.
03:29:48soapdid I miss the change?
03:30:36Unhelpfuli thought i'd heard such. i can't just look at COMMITTERS until i pull, which i've not done for a couple of weeks
03:31:49soapI'm wrong - 20557
03:32:23soap8 days ago
03:33:50rasherJdGordon: it's also that many/most devs are rather boring users
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03:43:21DarkSpectrumis there anyway of using a remote keyboard with the rockbox text editor?
03:43:37soapno
03:44:23DarkSpectrumdang
03:51:04JdGordonrasher: haha yeah for sure...
03:52:23DarkSpectrumhey rasher: i put "USB Charging: off" in config.cfg but every time i reboot it's missing, any sugestions?
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04:43:43JdGordonDarkSpectrum: the name is wrong then
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05:07:56JdGordonFUCK YEAH! 9795 IS READY TO GO
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05:08:57DarkSpectrumwhat is the correct name then?
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05:42:09TBOL3Ok peeps, I apologize for the late hour (at least based on the stats I think it's a late hour for most of you), but I've finished my GSOC app, and would like to know what you guys think of it.
05:44:27TBOL3Also, about how many applicants did you get, and how many do you think you'll be able to accept?
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05:47:43rwcrTBOL3: Slots are assigned in proportion to applications received, so every organization will have to reject about the same fraction of applicants.
05:48:17rwcrOverall numbers as of several hours ago: 2275 students submitted 3500 applications for 1000 slots.
05:48:19TBOL3Oh, great.... so, about how many applications did you get?
05:48:33TBOL3I mean just for rockbox.
05:48:37rwcrI'm not a Rockbox official, sorry :-)
05:48:49TBOL3Out of curiosity. Ow well, thanks anyway
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05:49:17rwcrNP, and I might be able to answer other questions if they don't require "behind-the-scenes" access.
05:49:19TBOL3So, is there anyway, I can look at the abstract of other GSOC applicants?
05:49:28TBOL3I know I can't view the whole app.
05:49:51rwcrThe abstracts of accepted students are published on April 20th; there's no way to look now without the help of the student.
05:50:52rwcrOut of curiosity, what's your proposal idea?
05:51:02TBOL3Ok, thank you. I guess every other question I had would require 'behind the scene access', as I would like to see what you think of it, so i can change it, in my last remaining hours.
05:51:04TBOL3But thanks anyway. :)
05:51:22rwcrIf you want an outside opinion, you can c&p it to a Google Doc or something.
05:51:55rwcrOr wait for a mentor to come along and ask them for their opinion, but they might not be thrilled about the last-minute aspect.
05:52:19rwcrI'll be happy to give you my opinion, with the caveat that it's not at all authoritative.
05:53:01TBOL3Sure, I'll put in a google doc, but what's your username thingy, so I know who to share it with?
05:53:08rwcroremanj
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05:55:14TBOL3@gmail.com?
05:55:28rwcrYeah.
05:56:24TBOL3Ok, it's sent.
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06:03:51DarkSpectrumdoes anyone here have the compiled contacts rock for sansa c200 ?
06:04:32DarkSpectrumTBOL3: send to me i'll check it out
06:05:40TBOL3Ok, I need some type of email, or something like that.
06:06:00DarkSpectrumds@darkspectrum.net
06:07:18TBOL3Ok, I need to know if you actually got it, as gmail gave me an error.
06:08:40DarkSpectrumyep i have it
06:08:43DarkSpectrumreading it now
06:10:47DarkSpectrumlooks pretty cool
06:11:48rwcrTBOL3: Sorry for delay, I was at dinner - checking now.
06:12:07DarkSpectrumi wonder how many people the GSOC will actually get on the rockbox project
06:13:34DarkSpectrumTBOL3: want to make something i think is really needed? a WPS for the radio
06:14:40DarkSpectrummaybe also a graphical "band scan" for the radio, now that would be kick ass
06:14:42TBOL3That's part of it.. But I'm a bit confused by your punctuation, are you saying that with a sarcastic, a confused, or a happy voice?
06:14:54vonsoohey do you guys mind reading over my application as well?
06:14:56DarkSpectrumhappy
06:15:13TBOL3rwcr: T'is okay, I've got things to do as whell..
06:15:25TBOL3Oh, ok, thanks.
06:15:59DarkSpectrumTBOL3: i should get more into coding, so far all i've done is make themes
06:17:21TBOL3How much do you like math?
06:18:04TBOL3And ya, it's awsome. If you want to start out with something practicle, go with python, but if you have some time to kill, and you want to think, go Lisp is awesome.
06:18:15DarkSpectrumlove it, i know dumb langs like basic, qbasic, vbasic, vbasic.net
06:18:25DarkSpectrumtrying to learn C
06:18:38DarkSpectrumbut my computer stats suck for a full developement eniroment
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06:18:52TBOL3Ah, i see. Umm. this isn't rockbox related, if you want to talk programing, we probably should do it via PM.
06:19:03DarkSpectrumPlease set a custom Line to use it.
06:19:38DarkSpectrumOS: [WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600)] CPU: [1 CPU - Intel Pentium III, 797 MHz, L1: 16KB L2: 256KB (18% Load)] Mem: [Usage: 338/512MB (66.02%)] HD: [Total/Free: 13.93/7.42GB] Up: [3d 10h 51m 30s]
06:21:29TBOL3Hmm.. interesting, fairly old, but not too bad. Anyway, I PMed you, you probably should use it, instead of this channel. So we don't make the all powerful dev's angry.
06:21:51DarkSpectrumallready talking to you there :)
06:22:00rwcrTBOL3: Comments in PM.
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06:27:23yashwa7Hi all, I'm a Masters CS student in UMN.
06:27:35yashwa7I've got 3 yrs work experience in Texas Instruments.
06:27:50yashwa7I worked in the Portable Media Player division.
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06:29:17yashwa7I'm interested in GSoC and would like to get some ideas.
06:29:47yashwa7I was busy tied up with my assignments, and i have one day left for proposal.
06:29:59scorcheyashwa7: well, have you checked out the ideas page?
06:30:09yashwa7I have installed rockbox in my Ipod nano too!
06:30:59yashwa7oh yep, I have been having a look at it, but wanted to know which one is very important for rockbox now.
06:31:11scorchea few =)
06:31:20scorchedid any of them particularly pique your interest?
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06:32:52yashwa7every project sounds very interesting, and doing it for money is great.
06:33:15yashwa7Fixed Point WMA Professional Codec seems a good one.
06:33:27yashwa7i have development experience with ARM code.
06:34:20TBOL3scorche: rwcr told me to ask you about my GSOC application.
06:34:45rwcr[suggested because it looks like you're the only mentor who's around right now, and I'm not really qualified to comment]
06:34:47TBOL3Umm... could I convince you to look over this first draft?
06:34:57TBOL3Yup, thanks.
06:35:33TBOL3What do you need to get a copy of it?
06:35:41TBOL3And thank you.
06:35:47scorcheyashwa7: i am not sure which timezone you are in, however there are likely some europe folk that would be better qualified to talk to you about your ideas then...i know there isnt much time left for a proposal, but...
06:36:11scorcheTBOL3: erm...i can have a brief look over it, but i don't have much time at the moment to go over it in full, really
06:36:20yashwa7i'm in Eastern Time Zone.
06:36:28scorchecan you just paste it on pastebin.ca?
06:36:47TBOL3scorche: Ok,thanks, give me a moment.
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06:36:57DarkSpectrumi really wish someone would/could code the WMA 9 Voice codec
06:37:58TBOL3Sorry, it's out of my league :(
06:38:02scorcheDarkSpectrum: go for it ;)
06:38:10yashwa7ha, thanx for that, DarkSpectrum, I'm interested, can you tell me more?
06:38:41TBOL3scorche: Ok, here it is. http://pastebin.com/m449ade10
06:38:48yashwa7to intro myself, i'm a student planning for GSoC.
06:39:13TBOL3rwcr recomended that I change the mood of the application to be a bit more serios than it was.
06:39:34DarkSpectrumscorche: if i knew the first thing about it i would try
06:39:42scorcheDarkSpectrum: learn!
06:40:39DarkSpectrumdont have that much time on my hands, i've religated myself to other things for rockbox i can do, make themes "WPS" and other general light work
06:41:28yashwa7DarkSpectrum, wishing to get your attention :)
06:42:24DarkSpectrum???
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06:43:04scorcheTBOL3: "By the way, how do you know that applicants actually built it, and arent just saying that they did it?"...there will be a qualification task that will come into play during consideration of applications ;)
06:43:11yashwa7You said about coding WMA9 voice codec,
06:43:22yashwa7i would like to make a proposal for that.
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06:43:46DarkSpectrumi'm just a member here man, i am in no way incharge of anything
06:44:00yashwa7oh ok, thanx.
06:44:03scorcheyashwa7: he was just idly wishing...i would see if you can find saratoga or linuxstb active around here if you wish to make a proposal for that
06:44:52DarkSpectrumi just make what things i can, when i can to improve my own DAP and contribute back to the others that have made such a kick ass system
06:45:28yashwa7oh ok, can scorche tell me some proposal that he might be interested in?
06:45:58yashwa7i will also contact saratoga and linuxstb.
06:46:04TBOL3scorche: Ok, I was wondering that, as anyone could just say, yes I made it.
06:47:48DarkSpectrumyashwa7: do the wma 9 voice, no one else has even attempted it and god knows how many people want it
06:48:16*scorche hasnt heard anyone particulay clamor for it, but..
06:48:40TBOL3I don't. :) I love vorbis.
06:49:04yashwa7thank you, darkspectrum, can you just give some more specifictions?
06:49:25DarkSpectrumi listen to a ton a speech radio shows, and speex well... well i think wma 9 voice encodes it the best for 5 kbits
06:49:35DarkSpectrumnot really
06:49:36yashwa7it's a decoder thats required, is the format spec available?
06:49:48DarkSpectrumi have no idea man
06:49:54yashwa7ok.
06:50:04scorcheyashwa7: as i said, if you are interested in codec work, you will wanting to talk to either saratoga or linuxstb likely whenever they are active
06:51:02yashwa7yep, scorche, I'm interested in other ideas as well, and just wanted to know if any idea might interest you.
06:51:25yashwa7i mean some idea that you would find good.
06:51:50scorcheyashwa7: a number of those interest me, however in GSoC it is best for the student to choose an idea that they are more passionate about, as they are going to be the ones working on it ;)
06:52:34yashwa7yep, scorche, thanx.
06:57:12yashwa7but one or two ideas from you, scorche, i will see if I will love to do them.
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07:01:51scorcheyashwa7: i particularly like the USB ideas and more codecs are always nice
07:02:08yashwa7thanx, scorche.
07:02:28scorcheif you are interested in USB projects, look around for gevaerts to be active
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07:03:52DarkSpectrumscorche: would an on-screen remote control via usb be theoretically possible?
07:04:15DarkSpectrumbecause that would kick much ass if it would be
07:04:28scorcheit depends on the device and how it was implemented
07:05:16DarkSpectrumc & e 200's ?
07:07:24TBOL3Umm... at that point, I think it would be cheeper to just make one.
07:07:38TBOL3I mean, make one not out of the e200s, or c200s.
07:08:27TBOL3Anyway, I am literally falling asleep, I have got to go to bed. Thank you for all of your help, and thank you for making rockbox (and themes) :)
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07:16:33JdGordoncan anyone think of any logical reason to write the id3 entry for the track that just finished back onto the buffer if it still fits?
07:16:38*JdGordon honestly cant
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07:28:09Unhelpfulwe don't seem to have "previous track" wps tags, so no, i can't think of a reason?
07:57:17linuxstbyashwa7: What's your question?
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08:14:35JdGordonUnhelpful: from what I can gather its so if you decide to go to the previous track it will be there waiting... BUT its there anyway so it makes no sense to me
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08:17:53JdGordonthe only value in the mp3entry struct I can guess that gets updated is the file offset one, but that gets zerod if you skip backwards on purpose so that cant be it either
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08:48:11JdGordoncan everyone who is interested in a stable swcodec please please please test 9795? I'd really like it to go in on the weekend.. (i.e sunday)
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08:55:21kugelJdGordon: your patch doesn't fix 10085, because the full_update is set to false after the mainscreen is updated (i.e. same issue as in svn). Either _update() runs for both screens, or full_update set to false after both screens have called it, should fix it
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09:00:28JdGordonthats because YOU changed the update function to not work on both screens at the same time
09:00:33*JdGordon wins!
09:01:30JdGordonsimple enough fix though
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09:02:56kugelJdGordon: wrong. update was for each screen before too.
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09:03:18kugeland amiconn said he heard reports of not-updating wps reports before
09:03:25JdGordonone of the functions did both screens...
09:03:39kugeldisplay was the one
09:03:40JdGordonplease dont commit that patch in 10085
09:04:06kugelI didn't plan, at least not until you commit yours.
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09:04:20JdGordongood :)
09:04:35kugelstill, you should be removing the events
09:05:08JdGordonits not that i disagree... I dont really care either way.. its not an issue
09:18:14Unhelpfulit has some whitespace inserts at ends of lines. i've got it cleaned up on my end, if you care about that sort of thing. :)
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10:50:30yashMy name is Yashwant. I have submitted a GSoC proposal for rockbox. Can someone plz go through and suggest corrections?
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12:00:11LinusNsure, google will send one case of lager a week to all students :-D
12:02:35pixelmaor honey? :P
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12:13:10pixelmaUnhelpful: sounds good, will try the new patch on FS #9992 later on all my targets
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12:15:13janne_oksanenhey guys
12:15:57janne_oksanendo you know of a project trying to make use of the video decoder chip in the 5th gen ipod video?
12:16:44Unhelpfulit's not publicly documented. there's been, to my knowledge, no progress, nor any real attempt, at using it.
12:17:35janne_oksanendo you mean within the rockbox project or in general?
12:17:35rasherjanne_oksanen: there's a bit here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9787
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12:23:20janne_oksanenok, thanks guys
12:23:37janne_oksanenand sorry for bending the channel guidelines :)
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12:30:11archivatorIs -56 dB the sound threshold on all targets?
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12:45:26soapno, it varies by codec
12:45:40linuxstbarchivator: Most targets are much lower.
12:46:17archivatorAny #define I could use to get that threshold?
12:46:43soap(codec as in the chip on the DAP, not the audio decoder)
12:47:30linuxstbarchivator: Maybe something like VOLUME_MIN - grep the source for "volume"
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12:52:43archivatorlinuxstb: right, it's VOLUME_MIN (10*min volume). Thanks!
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13:54:41xSIENIKASxидите-ка все на хуй,суки
13:54:51xSIENIKASxебанут‹е!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:55:00Bagderstop that please
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14:16:44[IDC]DragonHi Rockboxers!
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14:16:54Bagderhey!
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14:17:30[IDC]DragonBagder, you could be my man, we have a svn question over here
14:17:49[IDC]Dragonabout branching and merging
14:18:07Bagdertake it to #rockbox-commity but I'm about to run off now
14:18:14Bagdercommunity even
14:18:34[IDC]Dragonis there a CGI:IRC for that, too?
14:19:45oboyou should just be able to /join to it
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14:21:12[IDC]Dragonno, it's blocked
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14:23:48[IDC]Dragonah, works, I copy+pasted Bagders typo
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14:42:00zichohow do i check the path of a file in my database?
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14:47:18*kugel starts to like 9795
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14:47:54kugelzicho: hm, not sure. You could try playing it and then looking at the id3 viewer
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14:48:31kugelor use a wps which always displays the full path of a song
14:48:51zichookay, thx
14:48:52kugelZagor: ping
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14:49:58kugelseems you are/were interested in FS #9371? I'm too, but I agree that I find many changes unnecessary or unrelated. hopefully he will fix it soon
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14:51:49Zagoryes. it appears to be related to his environment being something non-standard, but I'm not sure
14:52:24kugelthe isspace thing for example. casting to char isn't right either, as this function takes an actually int
14:53:21Zagoryes, it's rather odd
14:53:36Zagorand even if it were right, it shouldn't be in this patch
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14:56:16kugelZagor: I and a friend plan to make a little project, involving the rockbox database, so I'd like to see improvements to it for better usage as a lib/external program
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15:20:43mikeagedoes rockbox currently support AAC + SBR?
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15:25:20markunmikeage: I think it only works on some targets, let me look is up
15:25:57mikeagethanks: FS7035 seemed to be quite old, but with no updates in over a year, I thought it may just be out of date
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15:29:16markunmikeage: here you can see HE-AAC performance on some targets (but not all) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison
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15:30:29mikeagethanks markun
15:31:51markunI guess you will just have to test the performance. But PS is not supported as far as I know.
15:32:14mikeagefair enough; I only (think) I need SBR for now
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15:51:45kugelHmm, I'm looking at the rockboxdev.sh issue
15:52:00kugelis there really any reason to not just take rbdev-build if it's already there?
15:52:44kugelrockboxdev.sh always aborted if it already existed, but only before building started (if it created it itself it didn't complain, I introduced that :( )
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16:29:03kugelany opinion?
16:29:48kugelif not, I'll just make it work like how it checks rbdev-dl (check existence (create if not exists), then permission (fail if no permissions))
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16:36:55PaulBHi guys. I've installed rockbox on my ipod a long time ago, and then decided I couldn't really get used to it. I decided to delete it, but somehow the bootloader stayed in place. Whenever I rebooted my ipod, it would boot to the rockbox bootloader, saying it couldn't find the appropriate files. I'd then reboot, and flick the holdswitch.
16:37:53PaulBHowever, recently my headphone plug broke, so I bought a new headphone plug and put it in. Since then, the hold switch hasn't worked, so I found myself unable to switch systems whenever a reboot occured. I decided to reformat my ipod as soon as possible. Unfortunately, before then my battery went dead.
16:37:57PaulBNow here comes the problem:
16:39:03PaulBwhenever I do anything with my ipod, it flicks on the rockbox screen with a battery and lightning flash. When rebooting, the screen goes dead and the image fades away (even when flicking the hold switch, which I have now pulled out so I can use it for this occasion).
16:39:27PaulBIf I plug the ipod into my computer, it still displays the battery and lightning flash.
16:39:38PaulBIt is not recognized by my computer, and I am unable to switch bootmode.
16:39:40PaulBSo finally:
16:39:45PaulBdoes anybody know what I can do about tis?
16:39:47PaulBthis*?
16:40:25PaulBSorry for the wall of text, by the way.
16:40:37linuxstbkugel: Regarding rockboxdev.sh, you should ask Bagder. He's the person (according to svn praise) who wrote the comment saying that the builddir shouldn't exist when the script is run.
16:41:09kugelok
16:42:09kugelBagder: ping :)
16:44:03rasherPerhaps to make sure the build process doesn't accidentally overwrite something important?
16:44:04PaulJam__PaulB: can you enter the emergency disk mode?
16:44:18PaulBUhm, what's that?
16:44:49kugelrasher: I'm not sure what could be important in rbdev-build
16:45:04rasherkugel: well if you change the dir to something else
16:45:10kugelthe chance that someone has this dir without using rockboxdev.sh is next to zero, I guess
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16:45:21PaulBPaulJam__: would that be the numbercode on the inside of my ipod, or would it be on the box I bought it in? Or elsewhere?
16:45:21rasherBut it could be something else.
16:45:55PaulJam__PaulB: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1363
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16:47:44PaulBYes, I tried that. However, when I do that, Rockbox brings up an image of the battery with an exclamation sign, and then it immediately switches to the battery with the lightning bolt
16:48:48PaulBfuck.
16:48:48PaulBI just broke my holdswitch
16:48:57rasherThat's not Rockbox doing that
16:49:07PaulBjyeah, I know htat, thanks.
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16:50:07rasherPaulB: well you've said twice that rockbox gives you an image of a battery - there is no such thing in Rockbox. Your issue is with the Apple firmware.
16:50:15PaulBo
16:50:18PaulBright
16:50:22PaulBreally?
16:50:53rasherUnless I'm totally missing something, then yes.
16:52:05rasherHonestly though, I don't know much (else) about how the ipod boots and works, but what you describe is not a part of Rockbox
16:52:49PaulBokay
16:52:53PaulBwe are talking old rockbox here
16:53:00PaulBlike, 2007 or so, I think
16:53:02PaulBmaybe 2008
16:53:14PaulBwell screw this stuff
16:53:17PaulBI'm just gonna send it in
16:53:19PaulBthis is driving me sick
16:53:27linuxstbPaulB: The first code that is run when you power on (or reset) an ipod is Apple's bootloader in flash ROM. That's giving you the problems, but they're not serious...
16:53:35PaulBokay
16:53:49fuzziethe exclamation point -> lightning bolt sounds like normal low-battery condition behaviour from the ipod firmware
16:53:50PaulBbut, you see, the string that attaches my hold switch to the actual switch
16:53:51PaulBbroke
16:54:02PaulByeah, but when I plug the ipod in, it does not charge
16:54:10PaulBand the pc doesn't recognize it (neither of the two I tried)
16:54:24linuxstbDo you have a wall charger?
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16:54:37PaulJam__can you stoll boot to the apple os when holding menu during the rockbox bootloader or was that disabled completely?
16:54:41linuxstbipod's generally are not happy when they are low on battery. But they can aways be charged.
16:54:58linuxstbPaulJam__: I don't think it's getting that far...
16:55:08linuxstbBut yes, that was never disabled.
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16:56:24PaulBno
16:56:33PaulBI do have a cigarette thing connector, but no car
16:56:48PaulB:D
16:57:02PaulBo wait, I do have a wall connector, but that's us. I might have a US -> europe converter
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17:00:31PaulBright, found a converter
17:02:55amiconnlinuxstb: s/always/almost always/
17:05:02PaulBokay
17:05:02PaulBit's working
17:05:02PaulBnow I'm just praying it wasn't on hold when the switch broke off
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17:05:02PaulBworking = the screen's lit up and it's doing something
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17:06:02PaulBright
17:06:05PaulBwell it seems to be working
17:06:05rasherPaulB: I'd let it sit for an hour to make sure it gets a bit of charge
17:06:13PaulByeah
17:06:33PaulByeah the battery icon is flickering grey and green, and it's full all the time
17:06:53PaulBwith a lightning bolt over it
17:06:54PaulBdoes that mean it's charging?
17:07:01PaulBthanks a lot so far by the way guys
17:07:13BuschelPaulB: the image you described (battery + flash) is a sign of deep discharge of the battery.
17:07:50PaulByeah, I just saw on the ipod site
17:07:51PaulBFor some iPod models, if your battery has been fully or nearly discharged, a monochrome non-animated version of the battery icon, shown above, appears on the screen when connected to your computer's USB port (even with a color display). In this state, the iPod will not be able to communicate with your computer. Simply leave the iPod connected; when the iPod i
17:07:59PaulBoh well, my bad for not doing the research
17:08:08PaulBthe 'good' part is that I never use my hold switch anyway
17:08:17PaulBstill sucks I had to break that thing off :+
17:08:33BuschelPaulB: just wait a few minutes (or hours?), it will reboot if recharged to a minimum level
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17:09:37PaulByeah, it's in normal mode now
17:09:44PaulBisthat what you mean?
17:10:15BuschelPaulB: yes. now it is charged to a minimum and needs to charge normally
17:10:26PaulBright
17:10:32PaulBso I can leave it in the adapter now too, right?
17:10:54Buschelif it is charging -> yes
17:12:03PaulBit says "Charging" with a battery flashing green and yellow, so I think I'm doing fine
17:12:07PaulBthanks a bunch!
17:12:18Buschelno problem :)
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17:43:29rasherlinuxstb: Any ideas on how to get FS #10093 right (for the other browsers)
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17:48:25*rasher doesn't see why JdGordon|zzz said this would be a problem. It seemed rather straight-forward
17:48:56pixelmadid you have a look at how the fm presets list does it (I'm sure it at least highlights the currently selected station)?
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17:51:44rasherpixelma: that doesn't use the file browser does it?
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17:54:28pixelmano idea, guess not
17:56:10rasherThe patch I posted does work - it's just limited to the font browser, and I'm not sure how to apply it to theme, language and wps without a good bit of duplication
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18:14:37linuxstbrasher: I know no more than you, and need to run now...
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18:16:59JdGordonrasher: ?
18:17:31rasherJdGordon: You made it sound like selecting the currently loaded font in the font browser would be a chore - it turned out to be rather simple :)
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18:18:40JdGordonbecause you cheated!
18:18:45rasherDid not!
18:18:48JdGordonyou used_set_current_file()
18:19:04rasherI don't see why I should not use that?
18:19:08*JdGordon totally forgot about that func
18:19:56yashI have submitted my proposal for GSoC, i was wondering if someone can go through it and provide comments.
18:22:09Bagderyash: such will be posted in the app
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18:26:31snizwickitis it too late to submit a summer of code app?
18:26:46Bagderyou have 2.5 hours left or so
18:27:20snizwickithave there been many for rockbox this year?
18:27:23snizwickitjust curious
18:27:32Bagderwe're on 17 applications right now
18:27:42snizwickithow many do you pick?
18:27:43Bagderalthough the amount doesn't really tell about quality
18:27:52Bagdersnizwickit: we don't know yet
18:28:01Bagderwe've had 4 the other two years
18:28:23Bagderit depends on mentors and what google gives us
18:28:23snizwickitcool
18:29:34snizwickitah man, no applicaitons are being accepted anymore :(
18:29:52yashBagder, I don't see any comments for my proposal.
18:30:02snizwickitguess i will be working on my idea for free :)
18:30:16Bagder"19:00 UTC" it says...
18:30:31Bagderyash: "will be"...
18:30:57yashBut, bagder, if some comments could be provided, I can improve upon that.
18:31:01yashbefore the deadline.
18:31:20Bagderyash: yes, but we've had quite a large amount coming in just before the deadline
18:31:44snizwickitthe student dashboard doesn't let you submit a new app
18:32:11snizwickitbut anyway, here is my idea: i'd like to make an ID3 tag editor for rockbox
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18:34:08snizwickitjust from an entry in the context menu for a song
18:34:13snizwickitor something
18:34:16snizwickitit's an idea i've had for a while
18:34:19JdGordonrasher: that looks ok actualy, except you havr to make sure the global_setting.val[0] != '\0';
18:35:18rasherWould anything bad happen, other than set_current_file would fail?
18:35:19domonokysnizwickit: submitting applications should still work. (2.5 hours left) if you have problems, maybe you can get help at #gsoc
18:35:33snizwickitdomonoky: do i need anything from my school to submit an app?
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18:36:40domonokysnizwickit: i think not, but i am not sure. (i think paperwork is needed when you aktually get accepted.. )
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18:39:33JdGordonrasher: probably not... but you should do it anyway
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18:42:13rasherJdGordon: What, just because?
18:43:23JdGordonyes
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18:43:45rasherI thought we were trying to save on space
18:44:03JdGordonone extra check might be 32 bytes... sfa
18:44:15JdGordonset_file might change so it could cause wierd shit to happen
18:44:17rashersfa?
18:44:26JdGordonsweet ... all
18:45:00JdGordonwork time
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18:47:19rasherOkay, it seems it would in fact break (as would all calls to set_current_file that ends in a slash as far as I can tell)
18:47:37rasherOn the other hand, is there any way a setting can be unset in that way?
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19:08:40snizwickitman, i hope my proposal gets accepted
19:09:29yashme too :)
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19:15:07snizwickityash: what is your proposal?
19:15:09snizwickitjust curious
19:15:36snizwickitif you don't want to say, that's cool
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19:16:46saratogacan proposals be edited after the GSOC deadline?
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19:18:00MarcGuayCopyright infringement, anyone? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=e200
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19:18:05MarcGuayP.S. Hello.
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19:19:00saratogaugh why can't these students come into IRC more then a day before the deadline
19:19:11MarcGuaythan
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19:19:32domonokysaratoga: i think they cant edit after the deadline, but the can post comments..
19:21:05*rasher wonders why MarcGuay wasn't more specific
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19:26:21LambdaCalculus37rasher: He was probably in a hurry.
19:27:16LloreanI think the Apple logo is pretty obvious, anyway
19:27:52LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Down it goes, then.
19:30:02saratogaso I can write up questions tonight and then ask prospective students later?
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19:44:37linuxstbrasher: What do you think about having a page on the theme site that just shows one theme - so people can link to it? e.g. the name of a theme could be the link.
19:44:56LloreanOr at least giving each one an anchor?
19:44:58linuxstbThat could potentially show things like a list of targets that theme works on.
19:45:26linuxstbI would prefer an individual page - anchors won't help much with a two-dimensional grid of themes.
19:45:40rasherlinuxstb: I think that's a fine idea. I think there's already a bit of code for it, it just turned out that it wasn't really necessary
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19:45:56linuxstbrasher: It sounds simple to me ;)
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20:33:36snizwickitman, 30 minutes
20:33:37snizwickiti gotta hurry
20:33:58Bagder27 ;-)
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20:38:44snizwickitman, i odn't think my project is going to take a whole summer
20:38:55snizwickitbut whatever
20:38:59snizwickitmight as well submit it anyway
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20:44:05linuxstbsnizwickit: The important bits are describing yourself - if your application is good, we can think of ways you can spend your time...
20:44:18snizwickitlinuxstb: got that part down :)
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20:44:37pixelmasnizwickit: are you aware that there is/was at least one (maybe even two) ID3 editor patches in the tracker?
20:44:49snizwickitno :(
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20:45:31rasherpixelma: none of them are useful iirc
20:46:13pixelmaand old but still one could have a look, no?
20:46:26JdGordon|neither did v2 did they?
20:46:29rasherHm, seems FS #1008 does do v2, but the other one is only ID3v1
20:47:07rasherBut it's woefully out of date
20:47:12JdGordon|what would be nice is a plugin which was built from the ground up to be able to modify tags in any of the supported formats
20:47:29JdGordon|obviously adding them over time.. but not built for just id3
20:47:55JdGordon|imnd you.. I still think thats somethinmg more suited to a computer than the dap
20:48:06JdGordon|mind*
20:49:17LloreanJdGordon|: It *is* nice to be able to fix the occasional typo though
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20:49:34pixelmaI was too slow but also wanted to suggest that it could extended to other meta data formats. It would be nice to fix the occasiional typo but for tagging a complete album or so, computer is better
20:49:52pixelmameh too slow again...
20:50:29*JdGordon| refrains from suggesting that speed here is related to the number of X chromosones :D
20:52:17*snizwickit 's proposal is submitted :)
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21:20:03snizwickitman, i have a lot of reading up to do before SoC..
21:20:20archivatorWould we mere mortals get to see the GSoC proposals or just the accepted projects? I could use an idea or two for my next plugin..
21:20:55scorche|sharchivator: the public can only see the abstract of accepted proposals
21:22:45archivatorI see. I guess I'll look for inspiration elsewhere :)
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21:41:10BigBambiarchivator: You could always look at the GSOC ideas page
21:42:40archivatorBigBambi: I had something else in mind but I figure it'd just end up like the Feature requests that everyone ignored. Never mind me, moving on..
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21:45:24snizwickitarchivator: the best way to predict the future is to invent it.
21:45:34snizwickitor in this case, code it
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22:30:01Bagdergsoc status: 22 applications received and we're past the deadline
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22:37:01Bagder700 points!
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22:44:08pixelmaBagder: repeat ;)
22:44:34Bagderyeah, there was no fix attempt in there
22:45:16archivatorrb->lcd_putsxy is supposed to use the color specified with lcd_set_background for the background, right? In my case, it isn't, what am I doing wrong - http://pastebin.com/d6d678a7a
22:45:22fmlHrm... My recent commit produces linker errors for some platforms: rocklife.c:(.text+0x118): undefined reference to `read'. What could be the reason?
22:45:27Bagderthe problem is an rb->read() that now is a read()
22:45:51Bagderhttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/rocklife.c?r1=20609;r2=20610;pathrev=20610 line 135+
22:46:17fmlBagder: i.e. I should writed it without "rb->"? What about open?
22:46:30Bagderyou removed the "rb->"
22:46:33Bagderso it fails now
22:47:10Bagderit works in the sim because there read() exists
22:47:20fmlBagder: ah, stupid me!
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22:53:06pixelmaarchivator: on a greyscale or a colour target?
22:53:18archivatorColor - ipod video sim
22:53:59pixelmabecause I believe that LCD_LIGHTGRAY is only used on greyscale targets, not sure though
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22:54:15archivator#define LCD_LIGHTGRAY LCD_RGBPACK(170, 170, 170)
22:54:23archivatorStraight out of lcd.h
22:54:51pixelmaok
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23:20:25snizwickitanyone have the final count on applicaitons?
23:20:54Bagder22
23:21:03BigBambi 22
23:21:15*BigBambi is always late :/
23:21:19gevaertssnizwickit: yes. Bagder announced it here 50 minutes ago :)
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23:25:10*GodEater tries to remember how many we got last year
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23:25:36gevaertsabout the same
23:25:51gevaertsI can't remember if it was 21 or 23, but it wasn't far off
23:26:05GodEaterdid they all suck as badly as this years lot ? :)
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23:26:59GodEaterhit and run application survey ?
23:27:03gevaertshm no, 27
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23:27:43gevaerts(not counting the really hit-and-run applications)
23:32:45fmlAre all file types registerd in viewers.config (or what's the name?) automatically shown in the file browser if the settingis set to "Show Supported"?
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23:53:59JdGordon_fml: yes
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