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#rockbox log for 2009-04-05

00:00:18amiconnActually that was a bit of simplification; it might also want current fg & bg colour, but that's also part of the viewport
00:02:29Unhelpfulok, so all we'd be adding, per-viewport, is a visibility flag? the struct doesn't happen to have a bitfield flags member already, does it? it might make sense to add the visibility flag that way...
00:03:26amiconnNo, not yet
00:03:36amiconnlcd.h, line 29ff
00:05:15Unhelpfulmaybe a byte worth of flags, low bit is visibility, rest reserved for future use? then again, probably might as well make it 32 bits... it'd get padded to align things anyway, wouldn't it?
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00:09:02amiconnA vis specific struct that contains a viewport struct, or a pointer to it, would also work
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00:11:56amiconnActually that might be the better idea, thinking of targets with a remote lcd
00:12:14amiconnThere this specific struct would contain two viewports, one per lcd
00:12:33yashHi, I'm looking for Michael Giacomelli.
00:12:50saratogayash: I am he
00:13:05bluebrotherdomonoky: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10096
00:13:09saratogayou're here about the WMA Pro codec?
00:13:12yashhi, saratoga.
00:13:28yashyep, that's right.
00:14:01saratogaI was curious about your background
00:14:06saratogahave you done any DSP?
00:15:01yashyep, I've worked in TI C64x DSP's.
00:15:04saratogaI saw that you worked for TI before
00:15:22saratogasorry I mean signal processing math, not programming signal processors
00:15:29domonokybluebrother: nice :-)
00:15:43saratogai mean are you familar with the DCT, etc
00:16:04saratogai know a lot of people in computer science in the US do not necessarily do much with that kind of math
00:16:05yashoh ok, I've not done DCT.
00:16:17saratogahave you done much much fourier related stuff?
00:16:44yashDCT, FT are things I've read but not worked on.
00:17:17saratogacan you do one by hand on paper?
00:17:44bluebrotherthe sansa required quite a bit of additional work :(
00:18:07bluebrotherbut it seems to work nicely, at least for me. Let's see how it will work on linux later
00:18:13saratogai already added teh transform stuff WMA Pro needs to rockbox, so you won't actually have to implement it, but understanding what it is doing is probably helpful for debugging
00:18:48yashit's been some time since I worked on DCT, FT. I can quickly learn but right now cannot do.
00:19:28yashUnderstanding the transform should not be a problem for me.
00:19:39saratogaso you've done the math courses in university?
00:19:46domonokybluebrother: and this works without changing the patchers itself ?
00:19:46yashYep
00:19:52saratogaI guess you were CE or CS for undergrad?
00:19:52bluebrotherdomonoky: yes
00:20:00domonokynice
00:20:00yashyep, CS.
00:20:17yashand we had the course on DCT, FT and Laplace transforms.
00:20:25saratogaah alright that should be fine then
00:20:36saratogathe differences between the various fourier transforms are not great
00:21:05bluebrotherthere's one thing I'd like to change in ipodpatcher: the result code for read_partinfo. The current error ("Can't read partition table") isn't correct in all cases and might be quite misleading −− especially as it occurs when the partition table isn't an Ipod
00:21:09yashoh ok. my grades were "S" or 10/10 for 4 math courses. just to let you know.
00:21:21bluebrotherbut that's a different thing (and nothing that's dangerous ;-)
00:21:30yashin my Masters, i have not taken up Math courses so far.
00:21:32saratogawere you at UMN for undergrad too? I interviewed there for graduate school a few years ago
00:22:08yashoh, but my undergrad was in India. CEG as it's famously known.
00:22:15yashCollege of Engineering, Guindy.
00:22:44saratogaah ok
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00:23:32yashand how long have you been working in Rockbox if I may know?
00:23:41yashyour background etc.
00:24:04saratogaI started about 2 years ago doing the summer of code to write the WMA std decoder
00:24:25saratogawell adapt it for fixed point and rockbox, it was obviously already written
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00:25:08yashoh, and you are working for some company?
00:25:19yashor still in academics?
00:25:24saratogaI am a phd student still
00:25:35yashok, univ?
00:25:44saratogaDuke in NC
00:25:57yashok, thanx.
00:27:57saratogawhy did you take an interest in teh WMA Pro project?
00:29:43yashI have some background working in codecs, and I wanted to work in Rockbox, Open source. I knew this would be feasible for me to complete. Hence the decision.
00:30:10saratogawhat did you do with codecs?
00:30:50yashBasically, TI has C64 DSP for which it supplies the codecs.
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00:31:45yashand to run a codec on a TI platform called Davinci, without being concerned about whether its ARM or DSP, and setting up the DSP etc,
00:32:00yashwe had a framework called Codec Engine.
00:32:23saratogaso you were mostly working on the API of their audio software?
00:32:31yashI was involved extensively working on Codec Engine, understanding what a codec expects, returns etc.
00:33:33saratogathe c64 is an floating or fixed point dsp?
00:33:36yashI ported an ARM MP3 codec to run on Davinci.
00:34:02yashIt was compiled on Code Composer studio and i modified it to compile with gcc and get it working.
00:35:17yashits floating point.
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00:38:35yashSaratoga, another thing that I wanted to tell you is that I'm currently working on an assignment.
00:38:45yashand will be happy to come online tomorrow.
00:39:03yashbut right now today being an assignment submission, i need to rush.
00:39:39saratogaok thats fine
00:40:00yashwill catch you tomorrow around this time.
00:40:11yashthanx.
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00:52:56mrsexyhey guys
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01:01:17gevaertsmrsexy: did you have a question?
01:01:44mrsexyyes but acordinf to the faq i cant post it
01:02:41l403gevaerts: so not ask to ask has taken another level? ppl ask for questoins now?
01:02:58l403:)
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01:05:49mrsexymeh i dont really care for the banhammer anyways, so i have this m4208 mp3 player that is small and light weight and i have a firmware updater for it. so my question would have been how do i decompress an .exe i have tried reshack with no help
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01:06:07mrsexyvery off topic
01:07:26BigBambiComing in, saying I don't care what the rules are I'm going to ignore them and ask anyway isn't likely to get any help. Use google.
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01:10:38mrsexyexactly why i stated at the very top i had a question and changed my mind, but thanks anyway
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08:44:16lucentmmm... I wish MP3 playback functioned on my fuze with rb
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09:19:56Hittudivanyone here has applied for gsoc for rockbox?
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09:46:52Hittudivjust dropped in to say..that i appplied for GSoC..
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09:59:25MTsaratoga , linuxstb : ping
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10:01:37linuxstbMT: Hi.
10:04:13MTlinuxstb : hello, I saw the qualification task today , and I have some free time before the exam so I'm trying a little with it.
10:05:32linuxstbMT: OK. Don't forget that the Rockbox wiki contains documentation about Rockbox...
10:07:16MTI have added an entry to inbuilt filetypes, "mtf" (MT File :) ), just to see how it will go
10:08:38MTI've gone through the 'HowToWriteCodecs' wiki .. it states that I should add an entry for my codec to the makefile inside /apps/codecs but I can't find a makefile there
10:09:42linuxstbAh, that probably changed when Zagor rewrote the Makefiles for Rockbox. Is there a ".make" file there?
10:10:26MTno, just checked.
10:10:52linuxstbCheck again...
10:11:05linuxstbI meant "something.make"
10:11:30MTah yes sorry, found it
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10:36:57Hittudivqualification task? for gsoc?
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10:42:35peturHi Hittudiv (or should I say Bad_Sector?)
10:42:54Hittudivhuh..hittudiv :)
10:44:19Hittudivjust checking a triple boot of sansalinux, rockbox and firmware on my box..
10:44:49Hittudivi mean.. ipodlinux
10:45:23Hittudivneone who applied for GSoC here?
10:45:44peturwe have been ranking proposals a bit and we found yours a bit unrealistic compared to the others. Sorry but we need to do some selections in advance.
10:46:05peturI see this wasn't communicated in a public comment yet.
10:46:25Hittudivyeah i saw
10:46:36Hittudivwell..i have worked on it.. the html parser..
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10:47:42peturyou might still convince us of the contrary but you'll have to do it quickly...
10:47:46BigBambiHittudiv: If you have anything like that to add, I believe you can as a comment on your application. It still isn't too late. Also, it is a very good idea to stick around here and talk to people
10:48:13Hittudivi see that Mr.Gerritt Gonzales is working on it..i am trying to contact him
10:48:22Hittudivyeah thankyou BigBambi
10:49:34Hittudivis there something like a qualification task?
10:53:20BigBambiHittudiv: If you have started working on it, it would be a good idea to add to the application the details on what you have started doing, what direction you are going in, what the plans are, a link to any code you have written on it to date etc. Basically as much detail as possible to persuade people why you should be picked.
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11:05:21pixelmaUnhelpful: tested on Ondio, C200, M5 (shares keymap with X5, for what it's worth)
11:08:39pixelmahmm... not sure whether it was really a patched version on the M5 now (had some trouble compiling because of some other changes) but the other mentioned definitely run the latest version of the patch
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11:12:01BigBambipixelma: What is the status of your c200 keymap work?
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11:15:29pixelmaI'm struggling a bit with the virtual keyboard because I wanted to enable morse mode and can't find something nice for "morse select" (or it would need more work, probably creating an own context for the morse "screen")
11:17:02pixelmaput resume on "long right" and it works but personally I liked it better on "volume up" because it also gave me the chance to have stop in the tree on "volume down"
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11:19:11BigBambiIs the latest patch in the task?
11:19:19pixelmamaybe I can post a patch in the tracker with those changes (but without "morse mode")? If there are people willing to try...
11:19:22pixelmano
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11:19:51BigBambiyeah, I can have a play later today
11:20:29HittudivI just installed Ubunutu 9.04 beta, and i tried installing binutils. now my gcc is not working
11:20:50Hittudivit shows a weired error /usr/local/bin/ld: unrecognized option '−−hash-style=both'
11:20:57BigBambiyou used rockboxdev.sh?
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11:21:42Hittudivi cant compile any file. is it because of the binutils given by the ./tools/rockboxdev.sh file ?
11:21:54Hittudivyes i used the rockboxdev.sh file
11:22:53BigBambiWhat file? You need specific versions of the gcc cross compilers and binutils depending on which architecture you are compiling for (arm, coldfire, mips or sh) - rockboxdev.sh gets the correct versions, applies some required patches, then builds
11:22:56Hittudivi am behind a proxy and wget doesnt work.. so i manualy downloaded the package and tried to compile the binutils
11:23:23Hittudivi am compiling for arm
11:23:30BigBambirockboxdev.sh also applies patches to some packages
11:23:58Hittudivwell.. lemme modify the sh file then
11:24:27BigBambiI'd have a look at rockboxdev.sh, download all the packages it needs, then change rockboxdev.sh to look at the local version rather than trying to download
11:25:01Hittudivyeah but i already tried compiling the binutils downloaded
11:25:28Hittudivmake file is created, and after i made install, it showed some error
11:25:32Hittudivby the time my gcc is screwed
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11:25:46BigBambiIt could well also be a change in Ubuntu 9.04 - the beta is there for a reason
11:25:59BigBambiHittudiv: rockboxdev.sh doesn't touch your system gcc or binutils
11:26:11BigBambiIt is only for the cross-compilers
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11:27:11Hittudivno..i am behind the proxy.. so i didnot use the rockboxdev.sh..
11:27:31Hittudivi compiled binutils myself
11:27:48BigBambiso there is no way your system gcc should be messed up as a result of anything you have done
11:29:39Hittudivhmm..can i just copy paste here?
11:29:54BigBambiuse a pastebin please
11:29:59Hittudiv$ gcc n.c
11:30:14Hittudivi mean..i am using irc on firefox..
11:30:18Hittudiv:(
11:30:48BigBambigo to pastebin.com, paste your output there, then give us the link
11:32:27Hittudivhttp://pastebin.com/m3df19167
11:33:44Hittudivanyway the rockboxdev.sh checks in "${RBDEV_DOWNLOAD:-/tmp/rbdev-dl}"
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11:34:41BigBambiWhat is g.c?
11:35:14BigBambier, n.c I mean
11:35:42Hittudivwell...anything compiled fromm gcc shows same error
11:35:57Hittudivi just wrote main(){} in n.c
11:36:22BigBambiSo it seems to be a problem with your system gcc and not Rockbox specific
11:36:54Hittudivhmm it worked before i tried compiling binutils.
11:37:09Hittudivand it seems -hash-style should be a number
11:37:13BigBambiAnd you are sure it was binutils for ARM?
11:37:21Hittudivyea i am sure
11:37:43BigBambiThat shouldn't affect your system GCC or binutils at all
11:37:56Hittudivhmm
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11:40:32linuxstbHittudiv: wget should work fine with proxies - did you try to get it working?
11:40:55Hittudivand we have a limitation.. 10 mb download limit.
11:41:10Hittudivour college is strict about it..
11:41:17Hittudivgot it downloaded from a friend
11:41:26BigBambiwow
11:41:56Hittudivrockboxdev.sh says a - arm (ipods, iriver H10, Sansa, etc)
11:42:11Hittudivbigbambi i wanted to work on a sansa e200
11:42:53BigBambithat is e200 as well
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12:14:15Hittudivpetur: you said "we found yours a bit unrealistic compared to the others"
12:14:56Hittudivu mean...it is not do-able? or something is wrong with the idea itself?
12:15:43Hittudivi mean. i like reading stuff in my free time..my player is my companinon.
12:16:31Hittudivthough there is a txt reader, it is harder to read on that. i prefer a HTML parser because I am a web-page designer
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14:18:17wangxianghi i'm doing the gsoc task, write a plugin that outputs sound. The sound can be read from a file, or can be embedded in the plugin.
14:19:18wangxiangcan i use the function of plugin_api rb;
14:19:50wangxiangrb.pcm_play_data(...);
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14:20:04rasherwangxiang: that's the idea, I believe
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14:20:59wangxiangok, thanks rasher
14:21:44peturindeed it is...
14:21:44wangxiangplugin_api is very strong, intergrating many functions we could use
14:22:02peturthat's what it is there for :)
14:22:03wizzardKann anybody tell me, if rockbox is able to counterbalance the frequency response of the Ultimate Ears Super Fi 5 Pro?
14:22:29wizzardsorry for my bad english
14:22:38wizzardenglish is not my mothertong
14:22:57rasherwizzard: Rockbox has a very extensive equaliser
14:24:40wizzardis he good enough to balance out the frequency reponse of the earphones?
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14:25:54rasherwizzard: it's better than anything you'll find in other players
14:27:53wizzardi´ve heard that, although i got a cowon D2, and the equializer of this player is good, too.
14:29:19wizzardis it possible to insall the cowon firmware and rockbox parralel?
14:29:41Bagderwincent: Rockbox doesn't run on the D2 yet
14:29:48Bagderonly slightly
14:30:47wizzardthat´s of course the reason why i am asking if rockbox has a very good equialiser
14:30:53rasherBagder: Thoughts on what to do about http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildNames ?
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14:32:12Bagderwizzard: you ask because Rockbox doesn't run on the D2?
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14:32:37domonokyrasher: i think there are still thing missing in this list, how about X5v ?
14:32:37Bagderrasher: no, I didn't read it before and I'm off now...
14:32:56rasherdomonoky: is the x5v treated differently anywhere?
14:33:07domonokyi think it has a different bootloader..
14:33:38domonokymaybe i should add the target names from rbutil, it should have names for all variants :-)
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14:35:18wizzardno, i am asking because i know that rockbox don't works very well at the D2 for the moment and i want to install it at my d2 if the equializer is good enough to plane the frequency response of my headphones
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14:48:54domonokyrasher: i added the rbutil internal names. which basically has the same differences, but additionally has x5v and h10_5gb/h10_5gbums, because of bootloader differences..
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15:24:09fmlkugel: in gwps.c, to test the direction, sometimes "direction < 0" (or >0) is used and sometimes "==1" (or == -1). Wouldn't it be better to do it only one way, e.g. "<" or ">", but not "=="?
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15:52:30bluebrothersomething is fishy with device -> mountpoint in detection
15:53:14bluebrotherI get the c200 detected but the mountpoint of the e200
15:53:57linuxstbYou have two devices connected at once?
15:55:08bluebrotheryes
15:55:39bluebrotherI'm trying to force the device to write the bootloader to. Works fine with ipodpatcher but doesn't seem to work for sansapatcher
15:55:42bluebrotheror at least differently
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15:59:21rasherlinuxstb: ipodpatcher doesn't compile on powerpc by the way
15:59:43rasherlinuxstb: http://fuzzie.org/nfs/rockbox_ipodpatcher.txt helps, but I don't know if that's good enough
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16:02:52fmlkugel: have you seen my question to you?
16:03:17rasherlinuxstb: that is, I don't know if it's an acceptable fix - it does make things work on ppc
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16:03:48kugelfml: yes, and you're right
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16:04:51fmlkugel: why are those params needed? Why not just use skip_forward and skip_back? It's done in all the functions anyway.
16:04:52kugelrasher: if we're relying on our own functions anyway, this seems reasonable (covered by #ifdef then, of course)
16:06:10kugelfml: what?
16:09:10fmlkugel: e.g. why do you need a parameter in change_dir? Why not have change_dir_next and change_dir_prev?
16:09:43kugelfml: why not?
16:10:06kugelI put it into one function because global_settings.prevent_skip needs to be checked
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16:16:06fmlkugel: I'd introduce constants for next and prev then (as 1 and -1). And add a comment that these should be 1 and -1 (and not just positive and negative) since, at least at one place, "step*direction" is used. Hence it's better to test with == than with >0 (<0)
16:16:33kugelsounds fine
16:19:50kugelbut relying on -1 or 1 blindly sounds a bit bad anyway
16:21:27fmlkugel: but it's done (as in the example above)
16:21:44kugelyes
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16:35:40fmlkugel: I don't quite understand (from the code) how play hop (with skip length) should work. If we skip forward, and the remaining time (RT) is greater than the step then we just jump forward. If the RT is less than the step then it depends on whether "prevent skipping" is active. So far correct?
16:36:18bookshareCould fs#10083 please be investigated?
16:36:26kugelfml: sounds about right
16:36:27fmlIf "prevent skipping" is NOT active then we jump to the next track. What is if it's active?
16:36:48kugelthen nothing happnes (except for a beep being played)
16:38:31fmlkugel: aha, ok. Not to the "back" case. If the elapsed time is greater than the step we jump back. If it's less than the step then: if "prevent skipping" is not active then we jump to the start of the previous track?
16:38:51fmlAnd if it's active then we jump to the start of the current track
16:40:56fmlkugel: is my description of how it should work correct?
16:41:54kugeland it works like that, doesn't it?
16:42:43fmlkugel: I didn't try. But I'd like to see that in the code more clearly. I'll try to prepare a patch.
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16:45:32fmlkugel: what is DEFAULT_SKIP_TRESH for?
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16:46:08kugelfml: see prev_track()
16:47:31fmlkugel: aha, I see. But then I think it doesn't need a parameter.
16:48:12kugelfml: why are you against parameter?
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16:49:08fmlkugel: if something is used with only one fixed value of the parameter, I'd rather put that in the function name or inside the function.
16:49:29fmlI'm not generally against parameters of course. But only when they make sense,
16:50:09kugelwell, whatever. I didn't invent the parameter, but I think it makes sense
16:50:33kugelgoing more into hardcoding is bad practise imo
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16:56:25bluebrotherkugel: every parameter that gets passed needs to get put on the stack before calling the function. Thus, if a function has a parameter that is always the same value it's questionable if it should be kept
16:56:57mcuelenaerebluebrother: can't parameters get passed trough registers?
16:58:02kugelmcuelenaere: yes, but that's (mostly) effectively the same, since (mostly) the register needs to be saved on the stack before overwriting them
16:58:06bluebrotherhmm, not sure about that. Still, you need to put the value somewhere (unless the compiler is able of optimizing it away)
16:58:36bluebrotherand I doubt that most compilers can optimize such a call
16:59:42kugelwriting a parameter into a register takes 1 or 2 clocks
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17:00:48kugelsure it's a bit questionable. but I'm not a fan of this in general. If someone wants the save the parameter badly, then I won't revert it
17:00:57kugels/the/to/
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17:02:18bluebrother"we're doing embedded here!"
17:03:43bluebrotherI remember the removal of one parameter in r12807 saving quite a bit of binsize.
17:03:44kugelhehe, I know that sentence from somewhere :)
17:05:12bluebrotherIt's not that it's necessary in all cases, but simply arguing that it's "going more into hardcoding is bad practise" isn't a good argument.
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17:10:06amiconnmcuelenaere: Still red in the bable...
17:10:06rasherbluebrother: that's just because you didn't turn on verbose output
17:10:09amiconn*table
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17:10:54rasherbluebrother: (re. the mailing list on voice building)
17:10:57amiconnbluebrother, mcuelenaere: Whether parameters are passed on the stack or via registers depends on the architecture
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17:11:20bluebrotheramiconn: ok, thanks :)
17:11:28wangxiang_static struct plugin_api *rb; char wavbuf[bufsize]; int readbyte = rb->read(fpWav,wavbuf,bufsize); rb->pcm_play_data(NULL,wavbuf,bufsize);
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17:11:52amiconnColdfire always passes all parameters on the stack. ARM passes up to 4 parameters through registers. SH1 also does that, but if a function has >4 paremetrs, switches to all-stack parameters
17:12:09amiconnLess parameters is always better
17:13:29wangxiang_fpWav is a pcm file, if (bufsize < length of pcm file), then pcm_play_data can play part of the pcm file?
17:15:46wangxiang_i'm not so familiar with the plugin_api, thanks
17:16:09UbuntuxerPlease have a look. task/10099
17:16:10domonokywangxiang_: if you want to play a file in parts (ie the file is bigger then the memory) you have to use the getmore callback of pcm_play_data(...)
17:17:09*bluebrother types "task/10099" in the browser and gets redirected to http://www.attask.com/
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17:18:37bluebrotherUbuntuxer: and what's the purpose of that patch?
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17:23:58UbuntuxerIf you use rb->lcd_putsxy(x, y, "text"); it doesn't always fits on the screen, so you have to scroll vertical, e.g. brickmania. The patch give you the ability to display formated text and you needn't care about the display size.
17:24:58bluebrotherhow should that work if the text doesn't fit on the display? (And why haven't I gotten this information from the task entry?)
17:26:09UbuntuxerThe remaining text is displayed, if you enter a button
17:26:55UbuntuxerI will write a post in the tracker to explain it in detail.
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17:29:08domonokyand if this should go into the pluginlib, i think the naming needs to be improved.. names like text.c/.h are a bit too generic..
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17:31:40domonokyanother remark: in text.h, the enum should be moved inside the struct (so it doesnt pollute the normal namespace), and given a name. And the color should be of this enum type.
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17:33:35domonokyUbuntuxer: so it looks more like this: http://pastebin.com/m712e56d0
17:34:12Ubuntuxerah, good
17:35:45mcuelenaerecan't you put the text in the struct also? (saves a parameter)
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17:47:46UbuntuxerCould be possible.
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17:51:40UbuntuxerI have add an comment task/10099
17:52:23kugelUbuntuxer: the common way of referring to a task is saying FS#XX, task/XX looks a bit weird
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18:27:02Hittudivpetur: i supplied the code at gsoc page
18:27:05Hittudivand i compiled it now :) its working..
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18:27:59Hittudivbigbambi: thanks for the help... my gcc is working fine now..and i succesfully installed arm-elf-gcc and compiled my rockbox
18:28:00Hittudiv:)
18:28:06peturI'll look later (I'm away now ;) )
18:28:43BigBambiHittudiv: cool, good job
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18:47:43HittudivBigBambi, are you a mentor for gsoc?
18:48:05BigBambiHittudiv: Sort of
18:48:11Hittudivooh k
18:48:39BigBambiI'm involved, but won't end up mentoring I don't think
18:49:14Hittudivi am new to irc. i dint use this b4... its all new to me
18:49:25Hittudivbut this is like dc++ we use in our campus
18:49:34BigBambiReal words pleaee, no "b4" etc. :)
18:49:42Hittudivok sorry
18:49:47BigBambi*please
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18:50:12Hittudiv:) ny the way.. i am sorry i didnot read the rules
18:50:18Hittudiv*by the way
18:50:52BigBambino problem
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19:25:04JdGordonany objections to commiting 9795 this arvo?
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19:27:25JdGordon... also 10094
19:27:40alexmhsohey I'm having some trouble with my mounting. I'm on ubuntu 8.10 and the ipod is automatically mounted to some location. I can browse the ipod using banshee and so on, but I cant auto detect nor select my own location of the ipod in the rockbox utility.
19:29:47kugelJdGordon: care to tell me why add_event placement is plain wrong?
19:30:03kugelI didn't have any problems with the actual events yet
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19:33:14JdGordonthe fact that it works doesnt mean its correct
19:33:51kugelthen please just tell me why it's wrong
19:34:03JdGordonit happens way too late during the first time the wps is shown
19:34:54JdGordonalso, I need to check, but i can imagine things going wierd when the track changes and you are in the pitch screen (for example)
19:35:07kugelwell, I don't think so. debugf showed that the event is received when initially displaying the wps too
19:35:27JdGordoneither way, I think leaving it registered all the time is fine for the first commit.. it can be fixed later
19:35:44kugelJdGordon: exactly that's why it must be in the restore part too. 13b is indeed broken in that regard
19:36:14JdGordon13a is the one i intend on commiting
19:36:41JdGordonwith the fix for 10085 done propelry
19:36:51kugeldid you check if it has the skip length issue?
19:37:16JdGordonno, because you havnt said what it is
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19:38:17kugelgeneral weirdness isn't enough?
19:38:41snizwickithas anyone received any feedback on their SoC app yet?
19:38:43JdGordongeneral wierdness is fucking useless... its a feature i've never touched
19:39:01JdGordonsnizwickit: patience :) we hvae 22 to get through
19:39:22alexmhsocan someone help me with the mount point in ubuntu? the autodetect doesnt find the ipod, but i can browse in a manager like banshee. Using an Ipod 5.5 gen 30gb
19:40:46kugelJdGordon: I'll check. Unless my chanes cause the weirdness, I'd say that my 14 does better than 13b (even if you change it to not remove the events)
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19:46:03alexmhsoAnyone know what to do when the rockbox utility autodetects but when you click the installation button, it says no ipod detected?
19:46:32BigBambiare you running with root/admin rights?
19:46:38BigBambiAnd what version of RBUTil?
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19:49:55PaulJam_JdGordon: concerning FS #9795, i think the issue that sometimes the wrong metadata is shown after skipping is still there.
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19:51:02JdGordonPaulJam_: which is that? lots of fast skipping?
19:51:05AlHazQuesiton: Why is it that the smallest battery capacity i can select on my Gigabeat F is 300mAh bigger than the biggest battery that fits in an F series?
19:51:14AlHazReal quesiton: What file do i edit and then submit a patch?
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19:54:21PaulJam_JdGordon: i thing it depends on the timing. it happens when you skip moderately fast.
19:55:15JdGordondid you try the latest patches?
19:55:27JdGordonI was hoping that would be fixed, or at least no worse than svn gain
19:55:56JdGordonany after 12 should be good
19:56:14PaulJam_i tried 13b and 14. with clean svn i cant reproduce it.
19:56:40PaulJam_but i'll recheck.
19:59:06kugelJdGordon: well, actually, the weirdness is in svn too :/
19:59:31JdGordonthe skip length wierdness?
19:59:41kugely
19:59:50JdGordonok so file a bug and we can move on :)
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20:03:35*kugel still thinks you should pick 14, not 13b
20:03:56kugelit's optimising refreshing a bit more.
20:04:44Hittudivalexmhso: did you check in /media
20:05:11Hittudiv ?if its detected by some player, it must be mounted
20:05:31alexmhsoHittudiv: Yes, the ipod is there as /media/ALEX'S IPOD
20:05:57alexmhsoHittudiv: But when i set that directory in the rockboxutility, it says it's not there, although the autodetect "works"
20:06:12JdGordonkugel: yes, but should be done in a seperate commit... the first goal of 9795 is to fix playback.... commits should only fix one thing at a time
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20:07:03dionoeadoes the sansa e200 (v1) port have charging while usb is plugged in?
20:07:09dionoea+hello
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20:07:20bluebrotherdionoea: yes
20:07:21kugelyes
20:07:27Hittudivdionea it gets struck in mine
20:07:48bluebrotheraccording to MajorChanges since 2009-01-11
20:07:53dionoeabluebrother: hum ok ... I though that the battery icon was animated when charging. Here it seems to be fixed
20:08:05Hittudivit gets restarted and automatically boots to firmware
20:08:34dionoeaHittudiv: that's because you don't run a USB enabled build
20:08:53dionoeayou can make it charge without restarting by holding the down button when plugging in the cable
20:09:07bluebrotherthere's also a difference between connecting usb for charging only and data connection
20:09:26dionoeaI'm talking about charging while the data connection is active :)
20:09:35dionoea(even if it's unused)
20:10:14bluebrothernot sure about that but with Rockbox usb mode I'd expect it to charge
20:10:15Hittudivdown arrow works.. thanks :)
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20:15:13cornwallHi, new here......
20:15:37bluebrotherhappens at times :)
20:15:53cornwallI have huge problems with my music database
20:16:11cornwallI've been trying to sort this out for quite a while now without success
20:16:42cornwallI'm using Songbird to sync, and most of my library has been imported by iTunes, but it's all out of order
20:17:11cornwallI have meticulously glazed over the out-of-order albums, but the track order is right, there are no differences in other fields, etc.
20:18:19cornwallAlso, I have things like a ten-disc set of music, and they are organized as ten separate discs of the same album, each new disc starting at track 1 of *, but Rockbox displays ALL the track 1s together, 2s, etc
20:18:40cornwallany pointers? I can't for the life of me figure this out or find a forum dealing with this
20:20:44bluebrotherI'm not really sure if I got your issue. The music is tagged correctly?
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20:21:36cornwallyes, without a doubt
20:21:54Lloreancornwall: What do you mean by "all out of order" exactly?
20:21:59LloreanIt's hardly a useful description.
20:22:13cornwallFor instance, I have Coltrane's "A Love Supreme", and it displays like so: movement 1, 2, 4, 3
20:22:13LloreanIgnoring the multi-disc albums, that's a separate issue
20:22:41cornwallI have gone through and blanked all unused fields
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20:22:56LloreanAnd you're sure the actual metadata is right, and not just the songbird database of it?
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20:23:08LloreanIf it's like iTunes, it may update an internal database, rather than writing the tags to the files.
20:23:09cornwallhm, would there be a difference?
20:23:16LloreanRockbox doesn't use the songbird database.
20:23:18cornwallthat's interesting
20:23:27cornwallI'll check the files
20:23:30LloreanRockbox generates its own database off of the metadata in the files.
20:23:36bluebrotheralso (assuming you're using mp3) you're sure you don't have id3v1 and v2 tags that differ?
20:23:57cornwallwell, it was ripped at the same time
20:24:07cornwallI'm not sure of the differences of the id3v1 and v2
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20:24:21bluebrotheryou should check that :)
20:24:29cornwallthanks, brb
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20:26:07cornwallI'm viewing the files from Ex Falso, and it seems to be okay
20:26:56LloreanThe track number entry for those songs are simply 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the ones that actually belong in those locations?
20:27:04cornwallyes
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20:27:25cornwallI forgot to mention that movement three (on the bottom) has 1.04 before the title
20:27:36cornwallwheras the others have just 01, 02 and 03
20:27:40LloreanAre you sure you're set to sort by tracknumber then?
20:27:47PaulJam_JdGordon: the issue that the metaadata of the next track is shown is still there with 13b. to reproduce select a file from the filebrowser and as soon as the next track info is shown on the wps skip forward an then the second track plays, but the metadata of the third track is shown. so it seems to happen when you skip to the next track while it is currently being buffered.
20:27:56cornwallhow can I set it? I cannot find any options to do that in the player
20:28:16Lloreancornwall: If you're using database, it's part of the tagnavi.config. If you're in the "Files" list, that's just filenames.
20:28:57cornwallOh, but I'm browsing through a tag-reading program on my computer
20:29:08Lloreancornwall: I thought your problem was in Rockbox.
20:29:23cornwallit is....
20:30:07LloreanIf you're talking about it showing in the wrong order in a computer application, it's not a Rockbox issue
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20:30:24cornwallno, no, I'm saying it does do that in the Rockbox
20:30:41LloreanThen what does the tag reading program on your computer have to do with my statements regarding it in Rockbox?
20:30:46cornwallI was just glancing over the actual files themselves through the computer
20:30:54LloreanThis statement refers to in-Rockbox - "cornwall: If you're using database, it's part of the tagnavi.config. If you're in the "Files" list, that's just filenames."
20:32:30cornwallokay, so, then, can I change the settings of the database?
20:32:39cornwallI couldn't find any configurations anywhere
20:33:28LloreanYou need to edit the tagnavi.config if a list isn't sorting by the tags you want it to.
20:34:08cornwallreally? O.o
20:34:14cornwallthrough my comp, or can I do it via ipod?
20:34:45GrandMaster-Dslow down a bit, I try to follow... I guess I have a similar "problem"
20:35:39Lloreancornwall: Anything that can edit text files, easiest on your computer.
20:35:49Lloreancornwall: But it should sort by track numbers in places where it's appropriate.
20:36:28JdGordonPaulJam_: bah, ok...
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20:38:16GrandMaster-Derm anyways, i have an issue with rockbox on my iRiver H10, also about the tracksorting
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20:39:31cornwallthis isn't particularly user-friendly.... I have no clue what I'm doing
20:39:45cornwallJust so ya know :P
20:40:17Lloreancornwall: If your files were consistently named and tagged it wouldn't be a problem.
20:40:27cornwallBut they are, that's the problem....
20:40:39LloreanYou already said one of them at least shows with a different name in the list
20:40:39cornwallEven before I rip the CD, I make sure that they are all perfect
20:40:42LloreanThat means it has a different tag
20:41:03cornwallAgain, I don't know why. The tags read fine
20:41:16cornwallat least in every other program I have used to read it
20:41:26cornwallApple included
20:41:34LloreanDid you check whether that one file has any extra tags you missed removing?
20:41:37LloreanMaybe disk number?
20:41:43cornwallYep
20:41:47LloreanDouble check it.
20:41:52cornwallI can line them all up with Ex Falso
20:42:19cornwallwould permissions have something to do with this?
20:42:22cornwallpossibly?
20:42:25LloreanFAT32 doesn't have permissions
20:42:40cornwallgotcha
20:43:08LloreanHave you re-initialized the database since correcting the tags and stripping extra ones?
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20:43:57cornwallyes, thoroughly
20:44:04LloreanWhat do you mean by "thoroughly"?
20:44:17cornwallwell, I had wiped the entire pod
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20:45:21cornwallhttp://www.box.net/shared/1x8kauld43
20:45:29Lloreancornwall: Play the problematic file in Rockbox, enter the context menu, and choose "Show Track Info" and see if there's any unexpected tags visible there
20:45:38cornwallwill do
20:45:54Lloreancornwall: Do your other songs have that disk number tag?
20:45:59soapto continue from #rockbox-community...
20:46:25cornwallyes, they all have that, otherwise it would say (Different across 4 songs)
20:46:32soapSo I think we have a real (and exampled) problem of people claiming they are unfairly treated when told to go to #rockbox-community.
20:46:39Lloreancornwall: Sorry, I'm not familiar with the software you're using, so screenshots don't help me any.
20:46:46cornwallno problem
20:46:48Lloreansoap: I expect a lot of that, yes.
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20:46:57soapMy only response to that is: "Is this a bigger problem than #rockbox talk happening in #rockbox-community?
20:47:00Lloreancornwall: Is that an ID3v1 or v2 tag?
20:47:07soapMy gut feeling is no.
20:47:14saratogai think most people here are smart enough to figure out when things need to be logged
20:47:20Lloreansoap: We can fix that problem by being better ourselves, though, rather than by treating people unfairly.
20:47:25BigBambinein
20:47:29LloreanIt's kinda a question of "do we get better, or do we be worse to our users"
20:47:36cornwallHow can I check?
20:47:46JdGordonsoap: well part of th problem is now the converation is harder to follow because there is the support happening at the same time as this blurry line bit
20:47:50soapI claim that even in the worst case it is a double standard. I also claim that a double-standard is not unfair.
20:47:55Lloreancornwall: Many tagging programs can check, I don't know any specific way.
20:49:03Lloreancornwall: Also check if the filenames are consistent.
20:49:47kugelbtw, I'd like to see the bot here to announce commits
20:50:26soapAllowing gevaerts (for example) to wax poetic about esoterica, while asking WebGuest46 to take his questions about last.fm software elsewhere is hardly a problem, IMHO, just as allowing any other creative salaried employee more leeway than you give the hourly janitorial staff is not a problem.
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20:50:55Lloreansoap: Then "developers are never off-topic" can be appended and then leave the line in place.
20:51:10soapThough it clearly is a "double standard".
20:51:21JdGordonalthough.. the devs are the ones who frequently go off topiuc
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20:51:47soapI just don't feel there is a need for such clear and distinct lines. "Reasonable" is a perfectly, well, reasonable concept.
20:51:50cornwallI can see some garbage in the "Comments" section
20:51:51Lloreansoap: A double standard where the line is clear is different than a double standard without any visible line.
20:52:03cornwallI cleared them all and will rebuild the database
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20:52:17soapThis reeks of zero-tolerance rules which suspend 9th graders for asprin.
20:52:41Lloreansoap: That's hardly a fair comparison
20:53:04LloreanIf they put 9th graders with aspirin in another classroom where they could get an equal level of education, maybe.
20:53:15LloreanWe do offer a location for discussion not related to Rockbox
20:53:21soapI think it is a very fair comparison. The fear of having to defend "reasonable" expectations leading the the creation of black-and-white rules to govern a grey world.
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20:53:28LloreanAnd we're clearly not talking about inviting *all* off-topic discussion in here
20:53:35*BigBambi thinks we should avoid hyperbole here
20:53:42kugelbtw, who changed the order of the Rockbox Development subforums?
20:53:45LloreanSo there needs to be some sort of line. I'm just in favour of making it a line that can be described so that when someone complains, you can say "this is why"
20:53:58Lloreankugel: I did.
20:54:06kugelintentionally?
20:54:08LloreanYes.
20:54:08soapI'll admit to hyperbole, but I do think the idea of needing a black and white line is unreasonable.
20:54:24soapI think the same problem is plaguing the forums.
20:54:36Lloreansoap: The line was never a problem until we actually created a place for people to go with off-topic chatter
20:54:42*kugel thought it might just have been accidentally due to april 1st
20:55:03BigBambisoap: I agree, I just tthink you risk alienating people that would otherwise agree when using hyperbole like that
20:55:13soapIt wasn't? Are you saying the logs are not cluttered with hour long argumets over the rules?
20:55:20LloreanThe problem isn't "we don't like off-topic stuff in here"
20:55:27LloreanThe problem is "people talk too much on-topic in -community"
20:55:46LloreanSince the problem didn't really exist before -community existed, why is the solution to redraw the lines that worked before -community?
20:55:47soapAnd I argue the problem is the rules are too strict in here.
20:55:49kugeloff-topic :)
20:55:55soapThe rules did not work.
20:56:02soapThat is the crux of my argument.
20:56:19Lloreansoap: But you're arguing to replace the rules with "if anyone cares"
20:56:24BigBambiAnd it wasn't always like that either
20:56:44LloreanBigBambi: People have been told to hush when falling off topic since my first day in here.
20:56:52*Llorean was on the receiving end of it, way back then.
20:56:59soapI am? Hardly. I'm arguing that the pedantic need for a hard and fast line is lazy and a cause for the problem in the first place.
20:57:09BigBambiLlorean: For a good long time maybe, but it wasn't always like that
20:57:15Lloreansoap: You're asking for a judgment call on reasonableness. That means "if it doesn't irritate someone, it's fine"
20:57:41LloreanI posit that if it's "reasonable" then it's already on-topic.
20:57:46soapAgain, those are your words, not mine. Your apparent inability to make judgement calls without a rule-book to back you up is not my problem.
20:58:01Lloreansoap: Personal attacks don't become you.
20:58:13LloreanWe already have to make judgment calls - "does it relate to Rockbox"
20:58:17LloreanWhat do you want to loosen it to, if not that?
20:58:18soaplol
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20:58:36GrandMaster-Dis it possible to have the database structure on my iRiver H10 "replaced" by the folderstructure? would save lots of time for tagging lots of music
20:58:46LloreanGrandMaster-D: Just use the file browser.
20:59:05*bluebrother spots a potentially dangerous issue in rbutil
20:59:23bluebrothernow let's see if I introduced it in my local tree or if it's present in the latest svn as well
20:59:43Lloreansoap: What do you define as "reasonable" then?
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21:00:28soapThat can not be defined beforehand.
21:00:32soapby definition.
21:00:40LloreanYou can give a range
21:00:53soapNo - I am not going to be backed into writing a rule book.
21:00:54GrandMaster-Di will try
21:01:11cornwallI have another question while it updates....
21:01:34Lloreansoap: So then what's your suggestion then?
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21:01:52LloreanI mean, "allow discussion that's reasonable" is hardly useful on its own.
21:02:12soapTo kick all on-topic conversation out of -community until habits change, and play it by ear.
21:02:21cornwallIs it not recommended to use "sudo ./rbutilqt" to run the rockbox installer program?
21:02:28soapThe current consequences are too high of a price to pay.
21:02:32Lloreansoap: I thought your problem was with the rules in here.
21:02:36cornwallthat was the only way I could get it to have permission to access my ipod
21:02:39GrandMaster-Dwhile we're at it: can anyone recommend any good free software for tagging mp3s?
21:02:54Lloreancornwall: That's only necessary for the bootloader install
21:02:59soapInsomuch as the rules in here create the problem in -community, yes.
21:02:59BigBambicornwall: I needs sudo for bootloader instALLATION ON SOME TARGETS
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21:03:12BigBambier, ooops
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21:03:16cornwallI did the complete install with sudo
21:03:19cornwallis that a problem?
21:03:24Lloreansoap: The problem in -community is with developers, not users, mainly. I don't think the rules in here really cause it, as much as the availability of there.
21:03:30Lloreancornwall: No.
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21:03:43BigBambicornwall: no
21:03:47cornwallsweet, thanks
21:03:49Lloreansoap: We go there to chat about silly stuff, and because we're us, it eventually comes around to Rockbox.
21:04:04LloreanI don't see that as a rules issue, so much as a "human nature / interests" issue.
21:04:37soapI disagree. I believe there is quite the effort not to get scolded in here.
21:05:21BigBambiAdd a anything goes for people with cloaks type thing?
21:05:24cornwallGrandMaster-D, what OS are you running?
21:05:34GrandMaster-Dwindows xp
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21:05:45soapif you feel you must, BigBambi. Clearly I don't deserve "anything goes" status.
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21:06:00Lloreansoap: Maybe we should pay attention to how most on-topic discussions get started in there, a bit more, before discussing what the problem is? I think I'm right, but I don't deny that you could be.
21:06:08BigBambisoap: I don't feel I must, it was a suggestion
21:06:22soapSuch a rule would have prevented Unhelpful's early-days of bmp resize. Thus another example of these concrete rules.
21:06:25BigBambisoap: And I don't see why you don't
21:06:56BigBambiI'm not arguing for or against them
21:07:01soap*these concrete rules being, by definition, not flexible enough for the real world.
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21:07:08GrandMaster-Dfor some reason the filebrowser is totally empty... if I open the root-thing it jumps directly to a song
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21:07:21soapGrandMaster-D: "root-thing"?
21:07:27BigBambiGrandMaster-D: "The root thing"?
21:07:29Lloreansoap: I think the problem is that many people scold based on "I can't see how it relates to Rockbox" when it should be "only if it's absolutely certain Rockbox isn't involved"
21:07:30cornwallGrandMaster-D, my favorite is easytag
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21:08:00GrandMaster-Derm yeah, you open the filebrowser and there are to points to select... one is "root" and one is "text"
21:08:04soap"only if it's absolutely certain Rockbox isn't _and never will be_ involved"
21:08:17BigBambiGrandMaster-D: What player?
21:08:19Lloreansoap: A potential future involvement *is* involvement
21:08:38LloreanIf someone's hypothesizing about a truly ridiculous potential plugin, it's still a potential plugin.
21:08:45GrandMaster-DI will have a look ^^
21:09:14BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Surely you know?
21:09:27BigBambiGrandMaster-D: iriver, ipod, sansa, ... ?
21:09:57soapI don't mean to keep pinging him, or to use his name in a bad way - but honestly: How many people thought Unhelpful would pull it off on day one? He came across not much different than many other pie-in-the-sky see-them-once-and-they're-gone talkers.
21:09:59GrandMaster-DiRiver H10
21:10:04GrandMaster-Dwith 20GB
21:10:14BigBambiAnd how did you transfer music?
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21:10:18soapOn-topic can rarely be judged without the lens of history.
21:11:00fmlkugel: just by studying the code (I haven't tried yet): I think that hopping back is flawed. If you have a positive length, you are near the end of the track, and hop back, you'd jump to the start of the track instead of just a step back.
21:11:02GrandMaster-Di conect it with the ums-trick (or what it is called) and just copy it to the iriver
21:11:04Lloreansoap: I dunno, the first memory I have of him had me think he at least had a decent grounding to start from.
21:11:18GrandMaster-Ddo i have to put the files in a certain location?
21:11:24BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Into what directory?
21:11:25Lloreansoap: And "on topic" doesn't mean "deciding if we think they're too stupid to accomplish what they say they will" just "what they say affects or is affected by Rockbox"
21:11:31soapMy first memory, no offense to him, was "here we go again."
21:11:36BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Anywhere but the .rockbox directory
21:11:46GrandMaster-Djust E:\Music
21:11:57GrandMaster-DE: is the iriver
21:11:58Lloreansoap: I think that may be the problem then. You see the line as "if we think they're pie-in-the-sky, even if it's Rockbox, we tell them to get out of here"
21:12:02LloreanI don't think I've ever done that.
21:12:07LloreanSorry, the *current* line
21:12:20LloreanOr if I have, I shouldn't have done it.
21:12:24BigBambiGrandMaster-D: What is the "Show files" setting in Rockbox set to?
21:12:28soapNo - I see the current line as a line.
21:12:35kugelfml: yea, I noticed that too
21:12:43Lloreansoap: You need some sort of guideline upon which to make the judgment calls.
21:12:55LloreanEven if it's "reasonably on topic" you need to define what "on topic" means
21:13:22soapDo we not trust GodEater to know when to ask someone to leave? Do we not trust JdGordon to speak his mind if someone is off-topic? I would rather have people making judgement calls than lines.
21:13:47Lloreansoap: The line is still "on-topic", then, it's just judgment calls about whether someone crossed it.
21:13:51*BigBambi doesn't trust GodEater - he has met him :P
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21:14:08soapI disagree with the idea you need anything more than the most vague guideline.
21:14:20soapok, a *sober* GodEater.
21:14:20Llorean"is related to Rockbox" is a pretty vague guidelines
21:14:26LloreanAnd that's what the line is *currently*
21:14:29*GodEater counts the money he's stolen from BigBambi's wallet
21:14:38LloreanOr if you want it vaguer, please tell me what it should be replaced with?
21:14:38soapthen there is no need to add "anything goes for devs."
21:14:44fmlkugel: that complicated condition (gwps.c:150) needs "direction==1&&" before "step >= remaining"
21:14:47BigBambi!
21:15:11*GodEater is disappointed to discover it comes to "nothing at all" :(
21:15:31BigBambiGodEater: That's all it ever will be too :/
21:15:34*GodEater reads back to discover why his name has been taken in vain
21:16:11GrandMaster-Derm, where do i find that setting? -_-
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21:16:49BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Can't remember off the top of my head - check the manual
21:17:08GrandMaster-Dwell
21:17:16GrandMaster-Di'm nut sure but I think all options are disabled
21:17:33Lloreansoap: Do you think there's a benefit at least having an approximately agreed upon "on topic"?
21:17:45BigBambiGrandMaster-D: eh?
21:17:53soaprephrase please, Llorean.
21:17:56fmlkugel: also, the check for global_settings.prevent_skip in the function "next_track" can be dropped since it's already checked in play_hop
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21:18:33kugelfml: feel free to fix everything you find
21:18:46Lloreansoap: I don't know how I can rephrase. What part do you have a problem with, maybe I can clarify if I knew what part.
21:18:53fmlkugel: ok, just wanted to consult you before
21:19:09GrandMaster-Di guess i'll try to activate them randomly and look what happens
21:19:20BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Why?
21:19:27Lloreansoap: To me, your proposition sounds like "get rid of the idea of having an agreed upon channel topic, and let individuals decide on a case-by-case basis whether something meets their personal definition of on-topic"
21:19:32BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Why not just check the one setting I mentioned?
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21:19:42soapLlorean: yes - frankly that is it.
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21:19:58soapIt's the dev's show.
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21:20:27soapThey just need to run it in here, not -community. ;)
21:20:27Lloreansoap: I think that's going to cause periods of much harsher enforcement. I already think, for example, some people have tried to send people away for things that were related to rockbox, but perhaps unrealistic (as you've also mentioned)
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21:20:57LloreanI see the line as "where we stop", a sort of defense to keep enforcement from being too harsh
21:20:58GrandMaster-Doh
21:21:06LloreanWhereas, I think you may see it as a justification for enforcement.
21:21:13GrandMaster-Dyes I guess I found it
21:21:18GrandMaster-Dall the data is back again in the filebrowser
21:21:20LloreanThat's why I'm asking you where the new one should be - so that people have a place to say "no, this is on-topic"
21:21:28GrandMaster-Dwheee! :D
21:21:35LloreanRather than being stuck with "oh, I've been told to leave, and the rules say it's entirely up to them"
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21:22:00soapI agree with how you see it - I just don't think your fears are grounded.
21:22:26Lloreansoap: I've already had a few instances where I've asked someone "why are you telling them that's off-topic?"
21:23:24soapYes, there will always be unreasonable behavior. I don't know how any rule can solve that... go on...
21:24:14LloreanUnreasonable, yes.
21:24:39LloreanBut I'm more concerned about cases where dev/user/whatever just doesn't know where the line is.
21:24:49GrandMaster-Dnow I'll understand that root-thing, it was a playlist containing all songs and due to the setting it showed only playlists... -_- now i feel dumb; cu guys
21:24:59LloreanThat's what one of these cases was, someone who thought on-topic was much stricter than it was, and has behaved differently after clarification
21:25:08GodEaterunless the rules become an enormous book, I don't see how you can avoid that anyway
21:25:13LloreanIf the rules are clear about what is "on topic" someone can at least say "Well, from the guidelines I thought this was okay here" and maybe prompt the complainer to re-examine things
21:25:42soapthen perhaps a little pow-wow is needed on the -dev mailing list. Perhaps an evaluation of expectations, and consequences should be discussed.
21:25:43LloreanGodEater: Well, the proposition is to drop having a definition for "on-topic" and just let anyone (presumably with the authority to do so) say "I think that's off-topic" at will, iiuc.
21:25:49GrandMaster-Doh, one last question: is it possible to keep certain songs out of the database - so they appear only in the filebrowser?
21:26:00GodEaterLlorean, seems perfectly reasonable to me
21:26:11BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Certain folders, yes
21:26:15GodEaterthe people with the authority to do so in this channel is a damn short list unless somethings changed recently
21:26:17LloreanGodEater: I think it'd be better to at least *have* a channel topic.
21:26:38BigBambiGrandMaster-D: Put an empty file called database.ignore in the directory you want ignored
21:26:44GrandMaster-Dcool, can you tell me how?
21:26:46LloreanGodEater: The people with authority to do so to you meaning "people who can actually kick" or "all devs"?
21:26:55BigBambiGodEater: Nope, still damn short
21:27:02GodEaterpeople who can actually kick
21:27:07Lloreansoap: Speaking of mailing lists, any further thoughts on the forum thing? that thread kinda died out.
21:27:08GrandMaster-Dwithout any datatype ending?
21:27:10soapIMHO, the primary goal should be to make #rockbox a place for dev talk. Support is second. Whatever keeps the devs happy and facilitates the usefulness of the channel should be done. If on-topic in -community is harmful it should be addressed. If WebGuests are harmful than they should be addressed. etc.
21:27:38BigBambiLlorean: I like the proposal (r.e. forums)
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21:27:55LloreanBigBambi: Which one, the original or the one I amended with a few changes?
21:28:12BigBambiI think we should go ahead (with your idea of having a subforum for manual install)
21:28:47GrandMaster-Ddoes it also work the other way? like not shown in filebrowser? 'hiding files' ?
21:29:34GodEaterGrandMaster-D, the mechanism is not the same, but you can certainly hide files from the filebrowser (unless you have "Show files" set to All)
21:29:59Lloreansoap: Maybe something simply like "#Rockbox is the channel for Rockbox development and support discussion. Please try to stay on-topic. If you wish to hold off-topic discussions you may be directed to #Rockbox-community" No explicit lines, plenty of elbow room?
21:30:14soapI'm fine with that.
21:30:28LloreanSee, to me that's still a line. I think that's where we were butting heads.
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21:30:41soapand I'm fine with starting a week of going kick happy in #rockbox-community.
21:30:50BigBambiP.S. plase use real words
21:30:51soap"may" isn't a line IMHO.
21:31:06BigBambi*please
21:31:09Lloreansoap: I think kicks wouldn't be necessary. -community is pretty good at hopping back in here when someone says "oh, hey, this belongs in the main channel"
21:31:31soapkicks simply because it is easier than "You're getting ontopic" ;)
21:31:32GrandMaster-Dah okay
21:31:32GrandMaster-Dcu and thanks for the help guys
21:31:33kugelfml: I appreciate that
21:31:40GodEaterwhoah, we're suggesting kick people for accidentally straying on topic in -community ?
21:31:51LloreanGodEater: I don't know how serious that was.
21:31:57soapjust to make a tongue-in-cheek point, GodEater.
21:32:00GodEaterah ok
21:32:01GodEaterphew
21:32:11GodEaterI've always thought we self-police that quite well enough
21:32:13BigBambiNot very I hope
21:32:25LloreanThe problem that prompted all this is that -community has become a home-away-from-home for main Rockbox development talk, and soap's hypothesis is that it's because "somewhat off-topic" talk starts in there, then strays on-topic
21:32:32soapI think lots of people have developed a bad habit, and the nuns need to start knocking knuckles with rulers.
21:33:02BigBambiIf any nuns rap my nuckles I'll kick them in the balls :)
21:35:12soapMy hypothesis also includes a belief that -comminuty can't become more strict w/o it becoming less strict in here, and the ASSumption the cost of it being less strict in here is lower than the cost of dev talk in there.
21:35:20fmlkugel: what should happen if skip length == 0 (i.e. we'd go to the prev track) but "prevent skipping" is active? Shouldn't we go to the start of the track if the user presses PREV?
21:35:28soapno more log-clogging for me.
21:35:50fmlkugel: as of now, nothing happens
21:36:13kugelfml: huh?
21:36:24LloreanAnd I think we can be less strict in here by taking the current "related to Rockbox" to err on the side of "if it's vague, it's related" rather than "if you can't absolutely justify its relation, it's not related" (which seems to sometimes be the case)
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21:36:44Lloreansoap: Any other ideas regarding the forums, btw?
21:36:53LloreanI'd like to nail down how we want to do the "related tools" sections
21:37:10kugelfml: not sure if we should be doing this
21:37:20fmlIf you just activate "prevent skipping" and you're in the middle of a track and press PREV −− what should happen?
21:37:23*GodEater can't actually remember the last time someone was asked to leave #rockbox and take it to -comnunity
21:37:30soapI can agree not to give sub sub forums to tools unless it becomes apparently needed.
21:37:44soapGodEater: because all the dev talk is in -community!
21:37:53BigBambiLlorean: I'd play that by ear
21:38:09Lloreansoap: So categorical is okay maybe? "Music Management" "Audio/Video Conversion" and what other categories?
21:38:09soapI think that is what you were asking, Llorean?
21:38:13fmlkugel: has it been agreed on? Where is the description of the feature?
21:38:17BigBambiLlorean: Start with no sub forums and see how it goes
21:38:23soapI'd even leave off the catagories for now.
21:38:25soapSee what happens.
21:38:33LloreanSo just "Related Tools" as one big forum?
21:38:55soapFor now. We can add folders as needed to keep it down to a page of stuff or so, eh?
21:39:12LloreanDo we do all tools users might like, or tools with at least some recognition of Rockbox (WinFF, etc)
21:39:30soap(which opens a larger question: which is more condusive to "browsing" - a page of subforums or 5 pages of active threads?)
21:39:52Lloreansoap: Well, subforums is like a minimal search beforehand
21:40:13soapI'd err on loose for now. "Rockbox Lifestyle", baby!. Whatever helps you Rockbox your world!
21:40:20LloreanBut since the goal is support, I suppose, a search will almost be necessary anyway
21:40:54TBOL3I would enjoy it being slightly less strict in here. But I do enjoy knowing that what is mentioned is related to rockbox.
21:41:04LloreanYou aren't browsing for converter recommendations, but seeing if someone's got an answer for the problem you have with VLC
21:41:12soapI don't know how to balance it, though, in actuality. I think projects which give rockbox-specific support (like winFF) deserve more than MP3tag.
21:41:15BigBambiI err on the side of leniancy. If people want to dicuss making e.g. amarok work well with Rockbox, so be it
21:42:04kugelfml: if we do this, it means that PREV does something, while NEXT doesn't do anything
21:42:25fmlLlorean: IIRC, you've taken part in the discussion about the "prevent skipping" feature. What should happen if you activate it, your hop setting is set to "skip track", and you press "PREV" in the middle of a track. (1) Do nothing (continue playing where it is now) or (2) Jump to the start of the current track
21:42:40Lloreansoap: Maybe just make the POSTING IN THIS FORUM say "Please limit posts to questions about using your application for/with Rockbox" which will give it a lean favoring tools with Rockbox "modes"
21:43:15Lloreanfml: It should behave exactly parallel to what it does if you try to go forward IMO. So if it does nothing going forward it should do nothing going back.
21:43:23Lloreanthe keys should always "mirror" each other, in my mind.
21:43:36kugelyep, my thinking too
21:43:39fmlkugel: yes, that's abit assymetric, but these two actions are assymetric in other situations as well (if you're in the last track of the playlist and press NEXT or PREV)
21:43:57soapI think we're going to have to play it by ear either way, Llorean. An explicit stickied post saying this is a new concept, it might change.
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21:44:16soapOpen the floodgates and we'll see what happens. Perhaps decide to convene on the topic in one month's time?
21:44:21TBOL3Llorean: I think it should go for both forward and back. Ocasionally, I'm at the end of a long file, and inadvertantly skip to the next track. I would rather go to the next track, and go backwords, than start at the previos and go forwards.
21:44:40fmlLlorean: see my last response to kugel, it was also for you
21:44:48LloreanTBOL3: This is with "prevent track skipping" on, though
21:45:13Lloreanfml: Part of the goal of the option is to prevent a user from losing their place. It can be lost going forward or back.
21:46:01fmlLlorean: hm... But the name (prevent skipping) is a bit misleading then
21:46:19Lloreansoap: Well, I'm just trying to find a good starting point. Does "Please try to keep your questions about means of using the software with Rockbox" reasonable?
21:46:23kugelit's "prevent track skipping"
21:46:38MTI'm writing a fake codec, when writing the metadata detection, should I link it somewhere ? I always get a "undefined reference to "get_..._metadata()" when compiling.
21:46:50fmlLlorean, kugel: if we jump to the start of the track, we don't skip track
21:46:51TBOL3Perhaps a better solution would be to automatically keep a list of where you were in a file, before you skip to the next one.
21:46:55Lloreanfml: In my opinion, we should either skip to either end of the track depending on forward/back, or neither end.
21:47:02BigBambiLlorean: AYE
21:47:10TBOL3But it should only be a list of say 5 or so of your last skips.
21:47:12kugelI think it's reasonable to assume that if a person has skip length to track, but prevent track skipping on, he wants to disable PREV and NEXT entirely
21:47:33Lloreankugel: What about 5 minute skip in a 3 minute track ,though.
21:48:56kugelnot sure, currently it skips to the beginning
21:49:19fmlkugel: but if skip length is set to, say, 1 min, and and you're at 0:30 in the track, you jump to the start when PREV is pressed
21:49:19bertrikMT, yes IIRC there's some piece of code somewhere that knows about all codecs to check their metadata
21:50:39MTbertrik : I don't know if you mean 'metadata.c' ? but if so, yes, I'm supposed to add a switch case for my format there that calls the proper metadata detection function.
21:50:41bertrikMT, I think it is function get_metadata in metadata.c
21:50:43Lloreanfml: Seek still works, though.
21:50:58kugelLlorean: skipping to the end isn't an option, I think. Given that time travels forward, that would basically equal skipping the track
21:51:00MTbertrik : The problem is that whenever I 'make
21:51:31TBOL3Was the homepage of rockbox.org made with twiki?
21:51:44Lloreankugel: I'm just saying, I think the behaviours should match each other.
21:51:49MTbertrik whenever I compile I get an "undefined reference to 'func_name'"
21:51:51BigBambino, but the wiki is
21:51:55BigBambi*is
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21:52:57TBOL3So, it's just static html?
21:53:55bertrikMT, weird, can't find any 'func_name' in C source or header file
21:53:59bluebrotherTBOL3: large parts are twiki, but some pages are static
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21:55:04fmlLlorean: skip lenght == 0 and skip length != 0 behave differently if you press PREV but can't "correctly" do that because "prevent skipping" is active. If "skip length == 0" nothing happens. But if length > 0 then you jump to the start of the track.
21:55:27MTbertrik : by func_name I meant my function to get metadata. I should add a switch case that will invoke (get_mtf_metada() ) to get_metadata() in metadata.c
21:55:57MTbertrik : then whenever I compile (make) I get an "undefined reference to get_mtf_metadata()" error
21:56:32bertrikMT, does the source file containing get_mtf_metadata actually get compiled?
21:57:23cornwallHey, Llorean, it looks like it worked
21:57:51cornwalliTunes has this habit of spamming comments with hex data
21:58:02MTbertrik : no, that's why I was asking whether I should link it somewhere. I have written my metadata detection following the wiki and another format as an example, so I don't know why it doesn't get compiled.
21:58:09cornwallI thought I had cleared it all out, I had checked!
21:58:11kugelfml: when I think about it, taking the possiblity away to go the start of a track isn't really nice. It's not track skipping, so it shouldn't be taken away
21:58:30cornwallhowever, I still don't know what to do about the multiple CDs
21:58:41cornwallMuch of my music is broken down into 2 or 3 CDs
21:59:17fmlkugel: that's my reasoning too. Track skipping should mean just that: going to another track
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22:00:06bertrikMT, then it's probably just a case of adding the source file to the 'SOURCES' file.
22:00:29Lloreanfml: If "repeat 1" is on, does "next" go back to the start of the track in that situation?
22:00:32kugelfml: and it really shouldn't behave differently depending on skip length
22:00:45bertrikrockbox/apps/SOURCES I mean
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22:02:32MTbertrik : right, thank you very much :)
22:03:13fmlLlorean: I think, effectively yes (that's waht the user sees). Internally, it goes to the start of the next track which happens to be the same one since repeat is set to 1. That's my speculation, I didn't try.
22:03:27Lloreanfml: I mean if track lock is on
22:04:19fmlLlorean: then I don't know. These option dependency is too hard to understand for me.
22:04:58fmlLlorean: and: are we talking about how it works now or how it should work?
22:05:19LloreanBoth
22:05:22kugelLlorean: if prevent track skipping is on, NEXT does nothing unless there's enough time to do a step
22:05:51Lloreankugel: See, that makes no sense to me.
22:06:09kugelthere's no dependency for the repeat mode
22:06:09LloreanWhy should we allow skipping backward but not forward?
22:06:27kugelbecause skipping backward doesn't mean skipping a track
22:06:30LloreanIf there's no room to actually "leave" the track, nothing should happen.
22:06:42LloreanSkipping back *does* leave the track, conceptually, it just immediately then starts
22:06:58LloreanIt's the same technicality as "skipping to immediately before the end is the same as skipping to the next track"
22:06:59kugelno, it sets elapsed to 0, and rewinds
22:07:16Llorean*conceptually*
22:07:25Lloreanyou go to before the track, and start playing
22:07:42fmlLlorean: but something is done in the case when skip length is > 0, namely jump to the start
22:07:44LloreanOtherwise skipping to the last millisecond of the current track isn't the same as skipping to the next track.
22:07:50kugelit doesn't mean skipping a track. period. prevent track skipping is meant to prevent track skipping
22:08:10Lloreankugel: Jumping to the last millisecond doesn't mean skipping a track either
22:08:12LloreanBy that argument
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22:08:23LloreanIt means "skipping within the track, then letting what will be, will be"
22:08:41kugelI don't think a user cares about that if he notices that the next track is starting right away
22:09:10Lloreankugel: And I don't think I user cares that technically he didn't leave the track, if "prevent track skipping" allowed him to lose his position when he didn't want to.
22:09:29kugelit's meant to not lose the track, not the position
22:09:42Lloreankugel: That's silly
22:09:45LloreanYou never lose the track
22:09:50LloreanIf you skip to the next track, you can immediately press "back"
22:09:51kugelit's not silly
22:10:12LloreanIt's to prevent losing the position
22:10:16LloreanSee the discussion around the feature
22:10:30LloreanThe whole point was to prevent the user from losing their position if the next track was less than skip length away
22:10:36fmlLlorean: I'm with kugel here. Either it works not how it should or the option name is misleading.
22:11:04kugelLlorean: and this is what we do
22:11:05Llorean"Previous" and "Next" skip to a point *between* tracks.
22:11:17LloreanLlorean: Except a position would be lost with a back skip, but not a forward skip
22:12:08*Llorean wonders how he managed to tab Llorean instead of Kugel
22:12:22*kugel too
22:12:43LloreanAnyway, if the goal is to prevent losing the place when the skip will take you out of the track, we should do that
22:12:55LloreanIf the goal is _not_ to prevent you from losing place, we should skip the maximum amount possible within the track either way
22:13:17LloreanMaybe 1 second from the end, so that it's possible to rewind "inward" from the end, assuming it's intentional
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22:13:37TBOL3Will 1 sec. be enough?
22:13:42kugelnot at all
22:13:56LloreanIt takes less than one second to press "right" then hold "left"
22:14:27LloreanYou could do two or three if you felt this was too prone to accidents.
22:14:52TBOL3Yes, but I've found (at least for my sansa), that doing so triggers some bug in the code. (It doesn't crash the player, it just locks it up for a few seconds, and then usually starts at the begining of the playlist).
22:14:53LloreanMy point is still the same - decide what the goal is for the whole feature rather than setting separate goals for "left" and "right"
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22:15:21LloreanTBOL3: Then the bug should be fixed... features shouldn't be restricted based on it.
22:16:08TBOL3Ok, bug was a bad choice of words, but I think it is do to just a lack of power in the device.
22:16:20TBOL3But true, the point is noted, sorry.
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22:30:37M4ndrihi
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22:31:25M4ndrii have a sansa e250 and want to add a microSD memory.. its 2GB maximum or with rockbox i can add 4GB ?
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22:32:26LloreanRockbox supports all MicroSD and MicroSDHC sizes
22:32:30temp_lazyguyif you can find a 4gb microsd
22:32:40temp_lazyguyor a 4gb sdhc
22:32:49BigBambitemp_lazyguy: eh?
22:32:59BigBambitemp_lazyguy: They are all over the place
22:33:14M4ndriit can be any brand ?
22:33:16temp_lazyguyi have never seen a 4gb reg microsd
22:33:25temp_lazyguyi know they exist though
22:33:26M4ndrilol !!!
22:33:31BigBambiyes
22:33:40BigBambitemp_lazyguy: well, sdhc
22:33:43temp_lazyguyonce you got to 4gb+ it's sdhc
22:33:56temp_lazyguyyeah that's what i meant by reg microsd
22:33:58M4ndrimy sansa has 2GB internal memory
22:34:00BigBambibut as Rockbox supports both it doesn't matter
22:34:07M4ndriso i can buy a 4GB microSD and its safe ?
22:34:14temp_lazyguyyeah
22:34:21M4ndriand brand ? or sandisk ?
22:34:28BigBambitemp_lazyguy: I know, I read your sentence as aying you couldn't find a 4gb microsd at all, sd or otherwise
22:34:30M4ndriandy
22:34:30temp_lazyguyif probably gonna get sdhc
22:34:33M4ndriany*
22:34:41BigBambiM4ndri: Anything
22:34:51M4ndriok thnx
22:34:53temp_lazyguyu need to get a sdhc adapter
22:35:05temp_lazyguyfor computer
22:35:11Lloreantemp_lazyguy: Please don't use "u" here, we ask for real words
22:35:11M4ndrii found a place to buy microSD 4GB
22:35:20BigBambitemp_lazyguy: Why?
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22:35:21M4ndriis not sdhc
22:35:27BigBambitemp_lazyguy: Use Rockbox USB mode
22:35:37pixelmasoap: about the forum reordering - I just wanted to add that I would imagine something else when reading a "Rockbox Lifestyle" headline, I'm somehow thinking fashion or what brand of beer you like (to not take it too off-topic ;) )
22:35:40temp_lazyguygrammer police, let's add periods to the sentences as well
22:35:46BigBambiM4ndri: Seriosuly, It doesn't matter
22:35:54temp_lazyguyand capatialize our sentences
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22:36:10BigBambitemp_lazyguy: Please don't be silly - there is a reason for the real words
22:36:37JdGordonpixelma: I'd agree there... rockbox lifestyle defiently sounds off topicy
22:36:53temp_lazyguy( _?`)
22:37:19temp_lazyguywow, no unicode, whatever
22:37:24BigBambiMany blind people and those with English as a foreign language use screen readers/translation software. Real words is important there, whilst capatlisation and full stops aren't
22:37:38BigBambi*are
22:37:53BigBambigrrr, capatlisation
22:37:55temp_lazyguyanyways, i joined because i wanted to know how you get usb mode in rockbox
22:38:08BigBambiInstall a current build
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22:38:28temp_lazyguybecause when i plug it in (c250), it goes back to original firmware
22:38:37temp_lazyguyand yeah, i just updated rockbox
22:38:51BigBambiTo what version?
22:38:55temp_lazyguy3.2
22:39:07BigBambiRight, install a current build, not the release
22:39:17temp_lazyguyhmm
22:39:18temp_lazyguyk
22:39:41temp_lazyguy>Yes, as of 2009-02-26 (r20105), Rockbox supports USB on the E200 and C200 targets.
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22:40:02temp_lazyguythe latest verison of rockbox was released 23rd
22:40:05BigBambiAnd the release notes clearly state that it was disabled for the release
22:40:12temp_lazyguylol
22:40:14temp_lazyguyokay
22:40:16BigBambiSeriously, I'm not lying to you
22:40:19temp_lazyguyyeah
22:40:28BigBambiWhy do people ask for support and then argue?
22:40:45temp_lazyguyyup i see it
22:40:51temp_lazyguyhow i did i argue
22:40:54temp_lazyguyi agreed
22:41:22Lloreantemp_lazyguy: It looked like argument since you were quoting something with a date before the release that didn't even need to be said if you agreed.
22:41:39M4ndriif i add a sdhc memory to my sansa e250 it would be fine or max is 4gb ?
22:41:42LloreanIt's hard to tell context in here, so you really should limit to saying things that actually need said.
22:41:59BigBambiM4ndri: For the eighteenth time, ANY IS FINE
22:42:24M4ndriBigBambi: sorry i just dont want to burn my money
22:42:35BigBambiM4ndri: any size, any manufacturer, any colour, any smell, ....
22:42:45M4ndrirofl!
22:42:46JdGordonit wont work in the OF though...
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22:43:03JdGordonyou have to use rockbox's usb to use it
22:43:09BigBambiJdGordon: Nope, but this is #rockbox!
22:43:41M4ndrioohh
22:43:55M4ndriwhen i plugged in, it uses the Original Firmware
22:44:02M4ndri=O
22:44:07M4ndriso it wont work
22:44:17BigBambiAre you using an up-to-date current build?
22:44:23M4ndrii guess
22:44:28M4ndrii install using the utility
22:44:33BigBambiM4ndri: IT WILL WORK
22:44:35M4ndriinstall the complete version
22:44:37temp_lazyguyu can load files onto the sd card before hand then put it into the e200
22:44:44Lloreantemp_lazyguy: Seriously, don't use "u"
22:44:49temp_lazyguyit will read in rockbox
22:44:54temp_lazyguyyeah, habit
22:45:06BigBambiM4ndri: If you have an up-to-date current build (not the release) then Rockbox USB mode is enabled and will work
22:45:10M4ndrii dont have a memory reader for my computer
22:45:38BigBambiM4ndri: You don't have to, if you have an up-to-date current build (not the release) then Rockbox USB mode is enabled and will work
22:45:41kugelcomplete installation is installing the latest release
22:46:00M4ndrilook i used the utility
22:46:10bluebrotherM4ndri: then buy one
22:46:11domonokyyou have to use the seperate "install rockbox" button, to get the latest build..
22:46:13kugelfor a current build, go to the installation tab and chose to update
22:46:24M4ndriohh
22:46:28temp_lazyguyBigBambi, is there a way to turn the usb function on in the latest verison?
22:46:33BigBambiM4ndri: The manual explains which options in the utility install which build
22:46:38*bluebrother wonders WHY he added a dialog box telling *exactly this*
22:46:38M4ndriand you know, themes are not working =(
22:46:40kugelupdate/install (it's the same anyway)
22:46:40Lloreantemp_lazyguy: It's on in the latest builds, just not the release.
22:46:48bluebrotherM4ndri: PLEASE read the dialog boxes!
22:46:55BigBambitemp_lazyguy: Not in the release (without building from source)
22:46:59temp_lazyguyno, i mean, is there a way to enable it
22:47:01temp_lazyguyokay
22:47:15temp_lazyguythanks
22:47:37M4ndriwhat i did was to run rockbox utility and choose Complete Installation
22:47:47M4ndrifrom the Quick Start tab
22:47:57kugelYou already said that
22:47:57BigBambiM4ndri: we know
22:48:04M4ndriin the Installation tab i have : Install the bootloader
22:48:09M4ndriand the Install Rockbox
22:48:13M4ndrioptions
22:48:19BigBambiM4ndri: We know!
22:48:23kugelchoose install rockbox, and select current build
22:48:29BigBambiM4ndri: And we told you which one to use
22:48:30M4ndri:)
22:48:49M4ndriand it will update the one i have or i need to uninstall my current rockbox ?
22:48:59BigBambiM4ndri: I really really don't know how to make this any simpler
22:49:06BigBambiM4ndri: update
22:49:11M4ndriok
22:49:13temp_lazyguyi think it will just overwrite it, you dont need to delete
22:49:13M4ndrithank you
22:49:28M4ndrii will do it now :)=
22:49:32M4ndrithank you guys!
22:51:07M4ndrimmmm its the svn version is this not so buggy ?
22:51:22bluebrother"not so buggy"?
22:51:33M4ndrilots of bugs
22:51:39BigBambiIt is fine
22:51:41M4ndrii speak spanish sorry
22:51:43bluebrotherbuggy as in what buggy? What bugs? What issues?
22:51:50BigBambiOtherwise I wouldn't have told you to install it
22:52:05bluebrotherthe channel language is english, so please at least try.
22:52:28M4ndriim trying
22:52:36M4ndrior im talking TOOO bad ?
22:52:57temp_lazyguyjust install the latest build, if your mp3 player crashes often, reinstall the current release verison
22:53:03BigBambiM4ndri: I hadn't even realised that English wasn't your first language, so you are clearly doing fine :)
22:53:06temp_lazyguychances are it will work fine
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22:53:38BigBambiIt isn't any worse than a release (at the moment)
22:54:11BigBambiIn Rockbox it is very rare that SVN is significantly broken
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22:55:30M4ndriit through me an error
22:55:40M4ndriit says something like device missmatch
22:55:45M4ndrior something like that
22:55:51M4ndriok or abort
22:55:59M4ndrii hit ok and it seems to be installing :S
22:56:10M4ndriits downloading rockbox.zip now...
22:56:10bluebrother"something like that". Is it possible to be more specific here?
22:56:18bluebrotherwe KNOW how it works
22:56:22M4ndrino because i forgot =(
22:56:34M4ndrilet me check if it was installed ok :D
22:57:10bluebrotherwell, you might have hit a bug in Rockbox Utility. It's present in 1.2 and affects sansa and some ipod players
22:58:04M4ndriyeahhh i now have rockbox with usb :D
22:58:11M4ndriloving rockbox <3
22:58:21BigBambi:)
22:59:08M4ndrido you know if someone is planning to add the pictureflow plugin for selecting and playing music and not just for showing covers ? xD
22:59:20M4ndriit would be soo sexy :D
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22:59:59M4ndrioohh is my device charging with the rockbox usb ? :O
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23:00:14M4ndrii have no battery indications :S
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23:02:19TBOL3M4ndri: Umm... isn't it already in there?
23:02:31TBOL3Also, what build are you using?
23:02:35M4ndrithe last one
23:02:38BigBambiTBOL3: No
23:02:40M4ndrii plug it in
23:02:47M4ndriand it shows the usb cable
23:02:50M4ndriin the screen
23:02:54M4ndribut no battery indications
23:03:03bluebrotherwhat's that of a feature? Cable moved to screen
23:03:04M4ndriits the only way i have to charge it now... using usb port
23:03:23BigBambiM4ndri: battery indication should be in the status bar (you might have turned it off), and whether it shows in the WPS or not depends on the theme
23:03:39M4ndrioh.. i see
23:03:47BigBambiM4ndri: You don't get battery whilst connected to USB
23:03:50M4ndrithanks bambi you are the man :)
23:04:07M4ndrii have my sansa since yesterday :)
23:04:09BigBambiM4ndri: The manual tells you what button to press while connecting the cable to charge via USB but not connect
23:04:35M4ndrii dont have the manual
23:04:38BigBambiSo you can charge and continue to use your player at the same time
23:04:41M4ndriis it on the website ?
23:04:57temp_lazyguyreally? what's the button
23:05:05BigBambiM4ndri: Yes, it is the link "Manual" on every single page
23:05:18BigBambitemp_lazyguy: Check the manual
23:05:25bluebrotherM4ndri: you spotted that "manual" tab in Rockbox Utility?
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23:07:26TBOL3M4ndri: The button is the center select button.
23:07:30TBOL3But read the manuel.
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23:07:52TBOL3http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html
23:07:57temp_lazyguycant find it, what section of the manual is it
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23:08:42bluebrothertemp_lazyguy: how about fulltext-searching the pdf?
23:09:00temp_lazyguyreading the online manual
23:10:15TBOL3The particular page can be found here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-250003
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23:32:35M4ndrii installed the new rockboz firmware
23:32:37M4ndriand is not charging
23:32:42M4ndrii check the battery status
23:32:51M4ndriand not charging while in usb mode
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23:33:11M4ndriis the only way i can charge is through usb and is not working... need help here :(
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23:34:25kugelit is charging
23:34:37M4ndrino its not
23:34:40M4ndriit was 98%
23:34:43M4ndrii plugged in
23:34:50M4ndriand now when i remove it
23:34:54M4ndriit says 97%
23:35:01M4ndriso.. now charging
23:35:13M4ndriand i cannot see any indicator of charging
23:35:20M4ndrii change the theme
23:35:23M4ndriand nothing...
23:36:13rasherM4ndri: there is no indicator of charging (which is a bug), but it *is* being charged. 98-97% could be fluctuations
23:36:20M4ndrii need help here because if its not charging i wont be able to do anything with it when the battery runs out
23:36:37rasherYou can just boot the original firmware.
23:37:01M4ndriif you are sure is charging its fine
23:37:05M4ndrii love rockbox :D
23:37:12M4ndrimaybe
23:37:15M4ndriits a bug
23:37:19M4ndriand thats it
23:37:29M4ndrii will tell you tomorrow :D
23:37:39BigBambiM4ndri: Rockbox will dual boot, so if you really want you can use the OF to charge in
23:37:56M4ndrihow can i do the dual boot ?
23:37:57rasherIt does charge very slowly though, if you play music or anything other battery intensive, it might not be enough to charge
23:38:04rasherM4ndri: This is described in the manual
23:38:17M4ndriohh i have to go and read :D
23:38:20M4ndriok.. no problem
23:38:23M4ndrii will do that
23:38:33M4ndrithank you for helping me out
23:38:36M4ndriyou guys rock! :D
23:38:37rasherIn the "Getting Started" chapter I belive
23:38:46M4ndrilike rockbox :D
23:38:49M4ndrirofl!
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23:43:48M4ndrii forgot to ask about something weird =( .. i used to see my covers on the picture flow and now the only thing i see is "?"
23:44:15M4ndriis this a bug on the new firmware rev ?
23:44:50rasherIf your covers were found previously but aren't now, that sounds like a bug. Where is your album art located, how is it named, which file format is it in, and how big is it?
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23:45:26M4ndriits 100x100, they are all cover.bmp
23:45:37M4ndrilocated on the folder of the corresponding album
23:45:59rasherDoes it show in the WPS?
23:46:07M4ndriit does
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23:47:05M4ndrii hit rebuild cache
23:47:15rasherI was going to suggest that
23:47:17M4ndrilet me restart the device
23:47:36M4ndrisansa > ipod
23:47:45pixelmais your database also up to date?
23:47:57M4ndriit is :D
23:48:17M4ndriyeah the rebuild cache works out of tha box :D
23:48:23M4ndriwhen restarting
23:48:24M4ndri:_D
23:48:25M4ndri^^
23:48:29M4ndriim happy now :D
23:48:38M4ndrisansa and rockbox ftw!!!!!
23:52:01soappixelma: That was intended as a partially tongue-in-cheek placeholder of a name. I think it sums up my vision for the forum (well, outside the fashion part) but I was hopeful someone would come up with a better name. ;)
23:52:48M4ndriim a c++ programmer
23:52:54M4ndriis it easy and well documented
23:53:01M4ndrithe rockbox project ?
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23:55:22Bagderyes it is

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