| 00:00:18 | amiconn | Actually that was a bit of simplification; it might also want current fg & bg colour, but that's also part of the viewport |
| 00:02:29 | Unhelpful | ok, so all we'd be adding, per-viewport, is a visibility flag? the struct doesn't happen to have a bitfield flags member already, does it? it might make sense to add the visibility flag that way... |
| 00:03:26 | amiconn | No, not yet |
| 00:03:36 | amiconn | lcd.h, line 29ff |
| 00:05:15 | Unhelpful | maybe a byte worth of flags, low bit is visibility, rest reserved for future use? then again, probably might as well make it 32 bits... it'd get padded to align things anyway, wouldn't it? |
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| 00:09:02 | amiconn | A vis specific struct that contains a viewport struct, or a pointer to it, would also work |
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| 00:11:56 | amiconn | Actually that might be the better idea, thinking of targets with a remote lcd |
| 00:12:14 | amiconn | There this specific struct would contain two viewports, one per lcd |
| 00:12:33 | yash | Hi, I'm looking for Michael Giacomelli. |
| 00:12:50 | saratoga | yash: I am he |
| 00:13:05 | bluebrother | domonoky: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10096 |
| 00:13:09 | saratoga | you're here about the WMA Pro codec? |
| 00:13:12 | yash | hi, saratoga. |
| 00:13:28 | yash | yep, that's right. |
| 00:14:01 | saratoga | I was curious about your background |
| 00:14:06 | saratoga | have you done any DSP? |
| 00:15:01 | yash | yep, I've worked in TI C64x DSP's. |
| 00:15:04 | saratoga | I saw that you worked for TI before |
| 00:15:22 | saratoga | sorry I mean signal processing math, not programming signal processors |
| 00:15:29 | domonoky | bluebrother: nice :-) |
| 00:15:43 | saratoga | i mean are you familar with the DCT, etc |
| 00:16:04 | saratoga | i know a lot of people in computer science in the US do not necessarily do much with that kind of math |
| 00:16:05 | yash | oh ok, I've not done DCT. |
| 00:16:17 | saratoga | have you done much much fourier related stuff? |
| 00:16:44 | yash | DCT, FT are things I've read but not worked on. |
| 00:17:17 | saratoga | can you do one by hand on paper? |
| 00:17:44 | bluebrother | the sansa required quite a bit of additional work :( |
| 00:18:07 | bluebrother | but it seems to work nicely, at least for me. Let's see how it will work on linux later |
| 00:18:13 | saratoga | i already added teh transform stuff WMA Pro needs to rockbox, so you won't actually have to implement it, but understanding what it is doing is probably helpful for debugging |
| 00:18:48 | yash | it's been some time since I worked on DCT, FT. I can quickly learn but right now cannot do. |
| 00:19:28 | yash | Understanding the transform should not be a problem for me. |
| 00:19:39 | saratoga | so you've done the math courses in university? |
| 00:19:46 | domonoky | bluebrother: and this works without changing the patchers itself ? |
| 00:19:46 | yash | Yep |
| 00:19:52 | saratoga | I guess you were CE or CS for undergrad? |
| 00:19:52 | bluebrother | domonoky: yes |
| 00:20:00 | domonoky | nice |
| 00:20:00 | yash | yep, CS. |
| 00:20:17 | yash | and we had the course on DCT, FT and Laplace transforms. |
| 00:20:25 | saratoga | ah alright that should be fine then |
| 00:20:36 | saratoga | the differences between the various fourier transforms are not great |
| 00:21:05 | bluebrother | there's one thing I'd like to change in ipodpatcher: the result code for read_partinfo. The current error ("Can't read partition table") isn't correct in all cases and might be quite misleading −− especially as it occurs when the partition table isn't an Ipod |
| 00:21:09 | yash | oh ok. my grades were "S" or 10/10 for 4 math courses. just to let you know. |
| 00:21:21 | bluebrother | but that's a different thing (and nothing that's dangerous ;-) |
| 00:21:30 | yash | in my Masters, i have not taken up Math courses so far. |
| 00:21:32 | saratoga | were you at UMN for undergrad too? I interviewed there for graduate school a few years ago |
| 00:22:08 | yash | oh, but my undergrad was in India. CEG as it's famously known. |
| 00:22:15 | yash | College of Engineering, Guindy. |
| 00:22:44 | saratoga | ah ok |
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| 00:23:32 | yash | and how long have you been working in Rockbox if I may know? |
| 00:23:41 | yash | your background etc. |
| 00:24:04 | saratoga | I started about 2 years ago doing the summer of code to write the WMA std decoder |
| 00:24:25 | saratoga | well adapt it for fixed point and rockbox, it was obviously already written |
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| 00:25:08 | yash | oh, and you are working for some company? |
| 00:25:19 | yash | or still in academics? |
| 00:25:24 | saratoga | I am a phd student still |
| 00:25:35 | yash | ok, univ? |
| 00:25:44 | saratoga | Duke in NC |
| 00:25:57 | yash | ok, thanx. |
| 00:27:57 | saratoga | why did you take an interest in teh WMA Pro project? |
| 00:29:43 | yash | I have some background working in codecs, and I wanted to work in Rockbox, Open source. I knew this would be feasible for me to complete. Hence the decision. |
| 00:30:10 | saratoga | what did you do with codecs? |
| 00:30:50 | yash | Basically, TI has C64 DSP for which it supplies the codecs. |
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| 00:31:45 | yash | and to run a codec on a TI platform called Davinci, without being concerned about whether its ARM or DSP, and setting up the DSP etc, |
| 00:32:00 | yash | we had a framework called Codec Engine. |
| 00:32:23 | saratoga | so you were mostly working on the API of their audio software? |
| 00:32:31 | yash | I was involved extensively working on Codec Engine, understanding what a codec expects, returns etc. |
| 00:33:33 | saratoga | the c64 is an floating or fixed point dsp? |
| 00:33:36 | yash | I ported an ARM MP3 codec to run on Davinci. |
| 00:34:02 | yash | It was compiled on Code Composer studio and i modified it to compile with gcc and get it working. |
| 00:35:17 | yash | its floating point. |
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| 00:38:35 | yash | Saratoga, another thing that I wanted to tell you is that I'm currently working on an assignment. |
| 00:38:45 | yash | and will be happy to come online tomorrow. |
| 00:39:03 | yash | but right now today being an assignment submission, i need to rush. |
| 00:39:39 | saratoga | ok thats fine |
| 00:40:00 | yash | will catch you tomorrow around this time. |
| 00:40:11 | yash | thanx. |
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| 00:52:56 | mrsexy | hey guys |
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| 01:01:44 | mrsexy | yes but acordinf to the faq i cant post it |
| 01:02:41 | l403 | gevaerts: so not ask to ask has taken another level? ppl ask for questoins now? |
| 01:02:58 | l403 | :) |
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| 01:05:49 | mrsexy | meh i dont really care for the banhammer anyways, so i have this m4208 mp3 player that is small and light weight and i have a firmware updater for it. so my question would have been how do i decompress an .exe i have tried reshack with no help |
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| 01:06:07 | mrsexy | very off topic |
| 01:07:26 | BigBambi | Coming in, saying I don't care what the rules are I'm going to ignore them and ask anyway isn't likely to get any help. Use google. |
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| 01:10:38 | mrsexy | exactly why i stated at the very top i had a question and changed my mind, but thanks anyway |
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| 09:19:56 | Hittudiv | anyone here has applied for gsoc for rockbox? |
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| 09:46:52 | Hittudiv | just dropped in to say..that i appplied for GSoC.. |
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| 09:59:25 | MT | saratoga , linuxstb : ping |
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| 10:01:37 | linuxstb | MT: Hi. |
| 10:04:13 | MT | linuxstb : hello, I saw the qualification task today , and I have some free time before the exam so I'm trying a little with it. |
| 10:05:32 | linuxstb | MT: OK. Don't forget that the Rockbox wiki contains documentation about Rockbox... |
| 10:07:16 | MT | I have added an entry to inbuilt filetypes, "mtf" (MT File :) ), just to see how it will go |
| 10:08:38 | MT | I've gone through the 'HowToWriteCodecs' wiki .. it states that I should add an entry for my codec to the makefile inside /apps/codecs but I can't find a makefile there |
| 10:09:42 | linuxstb | Ah, that probably changed when Zagor rewrote the Makefiles for Rockbox. Is there a ".make" file there? |
| 10:10:26 | MT | no, just checked. |
| 10:10:52 | linuxstb | Check again... |
| 10:11:05 | linuxstb | I meant "something.make" |
| 10:11:30 | MT | ah yes sorry, found it |
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| 10:36:57 | Hittudiv | qualification task? for gsoc? |
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| 10:42:35 | petur | Hi Hittudiv (or should I say Bad_Sector?) |
| 10:42:54 | Hittudiv | huh..hittudiv :) |
| 10:44:19 | Hittudiv | just checking a triple boot of sansalinux, rockbox and firmware on my box.. |
| 10:44:49 | Hittudiv | i mean.. ipodlinux |
| 10:45:23 | Hittudiv | neone who applied for GSoC here? |
| 10:45:44 | petur | we have been ranking proposals a bit and we found yours a bit unrealistic compared to the others. Sorry but we need to do some selections in advance. |
| 10:46:05 | petur | I see this wasn't communicated in a public comment yet. |
| 10:46:25 | Hittudiv | yeah i saw |
| 10:46:36 | Hittudiv | well..i have worked on it.. the html parser.. |
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| 10:47:42 | petur | you might still convince us of the contrary but you'll have to do it quickly... |
| 10:47:46 | BigBambi | Hittudiv: If you have anything like that to add, I believe you can as a comment on your application. It still isn't too late. Also, it is a very good idea to stick around here and talk to people |
| 10:48:13 | Hittudiv | i see that Mr.Gerritt Gonzales is working on it..i am trying to contact him |
| 10:48:22 | Hittudiv | yeah thankyou BigBambi |
| 10:49:34 | Hittudiv | is there something like a qualification task? |
| 10:53:20 | BigBambi | Hittudiv: If you have started working on it, it would be a good idea to add to the application the details on what you have started doing, what direction you are going in, what the plans are, a link to any code you have written on it to date etc. Basically as much detail as possible to persuade people why you should be picked. |
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| 11:05:21 | pixelma | Unhelpful: tested on Ondio, C200, M5 (shares keymap with X5, for what it's worth) |
| 11:08:39 | pixelma | hmm... not sure whether it was really a patched version on the M5 now (had some trouble compiling because of some other changes) but the other mentioned definitely run the latest version of the patch |
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| 11:12:01 | BigBambi | pixelma: What is the status of your c200 keymap work? |
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| 11:15:29 | pixelma | I'm struggling a bit with the virtual keyboard because I wanted to enable morse mode and can't find something nice for "morse select" (or it would need more work, probably creating an own context for the morse "screen") |
| 11:17:02 | pixelma | put resume on "long right" and it works but personally I liked it better on "volume up" because it also gave me the chance to have stop in the tree on "volume down" |
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| 11:19:11 | BigBambi | Is the latest patch in the task? |
| 11:19:19 | pixelma | maybe I can post a patch in the tracker with those changes (but without "morse mode")? If there are people willing to try... |
| 11:19:22 | pixelma | no |
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| 11:19:51 | BigBambi | yeah, I can have a play later today |
| 11:20:29 | Hittudiv | I just installed Ubunutu 9.04 beta, and i tried installing binutils. now my gcc is not working |
| 11:20:50 | Hittudiv | it shows a weired error /usr/local/bin/ld: unrecognized option '−−hash-style=both' |
| 11:20:57 | BigBambi | you used rockboxdev.sh? |
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| 11:21:42 | Hittudiv | i cant compile any file. is it because of the binutils given by the ./tools/rockboxdev.sh file ? |
| 11:21:54 | Hittudiv | yes i used the rockboxdev.sh file |
| 11:22:53 | BigBambi | What file? You need specific versions of the gcc cross compilers and binutils depending on which architecture you are compiling for (arm, coldfire, mips or sh) - rockboxdev.sh gets the correct versions, applies some required patches, then builds |
| 11:22:56 | Hittudiv | i am behind a proxy and wget doesnt work.. so i manualy downloaded the package and tried to compile the binutils |
| 11:23:23 | Hittudiv | i am compiling for arm |
| 11:23:30 | BigBambi | rockboxdev.sh also applies patches to some packages |
| 11:23:58 | Hittudiv | well.. lemme modify the sh file then |
| 11:24:27 | BigBambi | I'd have a look at rockboxdev.sh, download all the packages it needs, then change rockboxdev.sh to look at the local version rather than trying to download |
| 11:25:01 | Hittudiv | yeah but i already tried compiling the binutils downloaded |
| 11:25:28 | Hittudiv | make file is created, and after i made install, it showed some error |
| 11:25:32 | Hittudiv | by the time my gcc is screwed |
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| 11:25:46 | BigBambi | It could well also be a change in Ubuntu 9.04 - the beta is there for a reason |
| 11:25:59 | BigBambi | Hittudiv: rockboxdev.sh doesn't touch your system gcc or binutils |
| 11:26:11 | BigBambi | It is only for the cross-compilers |
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| 11:27:11 | Hittudiv | no..i am behind the proxy.. so i didnot use the rockboxdev.sh.. |
| 11:27:31 | Hittudiv | i compiled binutils myself |
| 11:27:48 | BigBambi | so there is no way your system gcc should be messed up as a result of anything you have done |
| 11:29:39 | Hittudiv | hmm..can i just copy paste here? |
| 11:29:54 | BigBambi | use a pastebin please |
| 11:29:59 | Hittudiv | $ gcc n.c |
| 11:30:14 | Hittudiv | i mean..i am using irc on firefox.. |
| 11:30:18 | Hittudiv | :( |
| 11:30:48 | BigBambi | go to pastebin.com, paste your output there, then give us the link |
| 11:32:27 | Hittudiv | http://pastebin.com/m3df19167 |
| 11:33:44 | Hittudiv | anyway the rockboxdev.sh checks in "${RBDEV_DOWNLOAD:-/tmp/rbdev-dl}" |
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| 11:34:41 | BigBambi | What is g.c? |
| 11:35:14 | BigBambi | er, n.c I mean |
| 11:35:42 | Hittudiv | well...anything compiled fromm gcc shows same error |
| 11:35:57 | Hittudiv | i just wrote main(){} in n.c |
| 11:36:22 | BigBambi | So it seems to be a problem with your system gcc and not Rockbox specific |
| 11:36:54 | Hittudiv | hmm it worked before i tried compiling binutils. |
| 11:37:09 | Hittudiv | and it seems -hash-style should be a number |
| 11:37:13 | BigBambi | And you are sure it was binutils for ARM? |
| 11:37:21 | Hittudiv | yea i am sure |
| 11:37:43 | BigBambi | That shouldn't affect your system GCC or binutils at all |
| 11:37:56 | Hittudiv | hmm |
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| 11:40:32 | linuxstb | Hittudiv: wget should work fine with proxies - did you try to get it working? |
| 11:40:55 | Hittudiv | and we have a limitation.. 10 mb download limit. |
| 11:41:10 | Hittudiv | our college is strict about it.. |
| 11:41:17 | Hittudiv | got it downloaded from a friend |
| 11:41:26 | BigBambi | wow |
| 11:41:56 | Hittudiv | rockboxdev.sh says a - arm (ipods, iriver H10, Sansa, etc) |
| 11:42:11 | Hittudiv | bigbambi i wanted to work on a sansa e200 |
| 11:42:53 | BigBambi | that is e200 as well |
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| 12:14:15 | Hittudiv | petur: you said "we found yours a bit unrealistic compared to the others" |
| 12:14:56 | Hittudiv | u mean...it is not do-able? or something is wrong with the idea itself? |
| 12:15:43 | Hittudiv | i mean. i like reading stuff in my free time..my player is my companinon. |
| 12:16:31 | Hittudiv | though there is a txt reader, it is harder to read on that. i prefer a HTML parser because I am a web-page designer |
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| 14:18:17 | wangxiang | hi i'm doing the gsoc task, write a plugin that outputs sound. The sound can be read from a file, or can be embedded in the plugin. |
| 14:19:18 | wangxiang | can i use the function of plugin_api rb; |
| 14:19:50 | wangxiang | rb.pcm_play_data(...); |
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| 14:20:04 | rasher | wangxiang: that's the idea, I believe |
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| 14:20:59 | wangxiang | ok, thanks rasher |
| 14:21:44 | petur | indeed it is... |
| 14:21:44 | wangxiang | plugin_api is very strong, intergrating many functions we could use |
| 14:22:02 | petur | that's what it is there for :) |
| 14:22:03 | wizzard | Kann anybody tell me, if rockbox is able to counterbalance the frequency response of the Ultimate Ears Super Fi 5 Pro? |
| 14:22:29 | wizzard | sorry for my bad english |
| 14:22:38 | wizzard | english is not my mothertong |
| 14:22:57 | rasher | wizzard: Rockbox has a very extensive equaliser |
| 14:24:40 | wizzard | is he good enough to balance out the frequency reponse of the earphones? |
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| 14:25:54 | rasher | wizzard: it's better than anything you'll find in other players |
| 14:27:53 | wizzard | i´ve heard that, although i got a cowon D2, and the equializer of this player is good, too. |
| 14:29:19 | wizzard | is it possible to insall the cowon firmware and rockbox parralel? |
| 14:29:41 | Bagder | wincent: Rockbox doesn't run on the D2 yet |
| 14:29:48 | Bagder | only slightly |
| 14:30:47 | wizzard | that´s of course the reason why i am asking if rockbox has a very good equialiser |
| 14:30:53 | rasher | Bagder: Thoughts on what to do about http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuildNames ? |
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| 14:32:12 | Bagder | wizzard: you ask because Rockbox doesn't run on the D2? |
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| 14:32:37 | domonoky | rasher: i think there are still thing missing in this list, how about X5v ? |
| 14:32:37 | Bagder | rasher: no, I didn't read it before and I'm off now... |
| 14:32:56 | rasher | domonoky: is the x5v treated differently anywhere? |
| 14:33:07 | domonoky | i think it has a different bootloader.. |
| 14:33:38 | domonoky | maybe i should add the target names from rbutil, it should have names for all variants :-) |
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| 14:35:18 | wizzard | no, i am asking because i know that rockbox don't works very well at the D2 for the moment and i want to install it at my d2 if the equializer is good enough to plane the frequency response of my headphones |
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| 14:48:54 | domonoky | rasher: i added the rbutil internal names. which basically has the same differences, but additionally has x5v and h10_5gb/h10_5gbums, because of bootloader differences.. |
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| 15:24:09 | fml | kugel: in gwps.c, to test the direction, sometimes "direction < 0" (or >0) is used and sometimes "==1" (or == -1). Wouldn't it be better to do it only one way, e.g. "<" or ">", but not "=="? |
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| 15:52:30 | bluebrother | something is fishy with device -> mountpoint in detection |
| 15:53:14 | bluebrother | I get the c200 detected but the mountpoint of the e200 |
| 15:53:57 | linuxstb | You have two devices connected at once? |
| 15:55:08 | bluebrother | yes |
| 15:55:39 | bluebrother | I'm trying to force the device to write the bootloader to. Works fine with ipodpatcher but doesn't seem to work for sansapatcher |
| 15:55:42 | bluebrother | or at least differently |
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| 15:59:21 | rasher | linuxstb: ipodpatcher doesn't compile on powerpc by the way |
| 15:59:43 | rasher | linuxstb: http://fuzzie.org/nfs/rockbox_ipodpatcher.txt helps, but I don't know if that's good enough |
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| 16:02:52 | fml | kugel: have you seen my question to you? |
| 16:03:17 | rasher | linuxstb: that is, I don't know if it's an acceptable fix - it does make things work on ppc |
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| 16:03:48 | kugel | fml: yes, and you're right |
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| 16:04:51 | fml | kugel: why are those params needed? Why not just use skip_forward and skip_back? It's done in all the functions anyway. |
| 16:04:52 | kugel | rasher: if we're relying on our own functions anyway, this seems reasonable (covered by #ifdef then, of course) |
| 16:06:10 | kugel | fml: what? |
| 16:09:10 | fml | kugel: e.g. why do you need a parameter in change_dir? Why not have change_dir_next and change_dir_prev? |
| 16:09:43 | kugel | fml: why not? |
| 16:10:06 | kugel | I put it into one function because global_settings.prevent_skip needs to be checked |
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| 16:16:06 | fml | kugel: I'd introduce constants for next and prev then (as 1 and -1). And add a comment that these should be 1 and -1 (and not just positive and negative) since, at least at one place, "step*direction" is used. Hence it's better to test with == than with >0 (<0) |
| 16:16:33 | kugel | sounds fine |
| 16:19:50 | kugel | but relying on -1 or 1 blindly sounds a bit bad anyway |
| 16:21:27 | fml | kugel: but it's done (as in the example above) |
| 16:21:44 | kugel | yes |
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| 16:35:40 | fml | kugel: I don't quite understand (from the code) how play hop (with skip length) should work. If we skip forward, and the remaining time (RT) is greater than the step then we just jump forward. If the RT is less than the step then it depends on whether "prevent skipping" is active. So far correct? |
| 16:36:18 | bookshare | Could fs#10083 please be investigated? |
| 16:36:26 | kugel | fml: sounds about right |
| 16:36:27 | fml | If "prevent skipping" is NOT active then we jump to the next track. What is if it's active? |
| 16:36:48 | kugel | then nothing happnes (except for a beep being played) |
| 16:38:31 | fml | kugel: aha, ok. Not to the "back" case. If the elapsed time is greater than the step we jump back. If it's less than the step then: if "prevent skipping" is not active then we jump to the start of the previous track? |
| 16:38:51 | fml | And if it's active then we jump to the start of the current track |
| 16:40:56 | fml | kugel: is my description of how it should work correct? |
| 16:41:54 | kugel | and it works like that, doesn't it? |
| 16:42:43 | fml | kugel: I didn't try. But I'd like to see that in the code more clearly. I'll try to prepare a patch. |
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| 16:45:32 | fml | kugel: what is DEFAULT_SKIP_TRESH for? |
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| 16:46:08 | kugel | fml: see prev_track() |
| 16:47:31 | fml | kugel: aha, I see. But then I think it doesn't need a parameter. |
| 16:48:12 | kugel | fml: why are you against parameter? |
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| 16:49:08 | fml | kugel: if something is used with only one fixed value of the parameter, I'd rather put that in the function name or inside the function. |
| 16:49:29 | fml | I'm not generally against parameters of course. But only when they make sense, |
| 16:50:09 | kugel | well, whatever. I didn't invent the parameter, but I think it makes sense |
| 16:50:33 | kugel | going more into hardcoding is bad practise imo |
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| 16:56:25 | bluebrother | kugel: every parameter that gets passed needs to get put on the stack before calling the function. Thus, if a function has a parameter that is always the same value it's questionable if it should be kept |
| 16:56:57 | mcuelenaere | bluebrother: can't parameters get passed trough registers? |
| 16:58:02 | kugel | mcuelenaere: yes, but that's (mostly) effectively the same, since (mostly) the register needs to be saved on the stack before overwriting them |
| 16:58:06 | bluebrother | hmm, not sure about that. Still, you need to put the value somewhere (unless the compiler is able of optimizing it away) |
| 16:58:36 | bluebrother | and I doubt that most compilers can optimize such a call |
| 16:59:42 | kugel | writing a parameter into a register takes 1 or 2 clocks |
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| 17:00:48 | kugel | sure it's a bit questionable. but I'm not a fan of this in general. If someone wants the save the parameter badly, then I won't revert it |
| 17:00:57 | kugel | s/the/to/ |
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| 17:02:18 | bluebrother | "we're doing embedded here!" |
| 17:03:43 | bluebrother | I remember the removal of one parameter in r12807 saving quite a bit of binsize. |
| 17:03:44 | kugel | hehe, I know that sentence from somewhere :) |
| 17:05:12 | bluebrother | It's not that it's necessary in all cases, but simply arguing that it's "going more into hardcoding is bad practise" isn't a good argument. |
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| 17:10:06 | amiconn | mcuelenaere: Still red in the bable... |
| 17:10:06 | rasher | bluebrother: that's just because you didn't turn on verbose output |
| 17:10:09 | amiconn | *table |
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| 17:10:54 | rasher | bluebrother: (re. the mailing list on voice building) |
| 17:10:57 | amiconn | bluebrother, mcuelenaere: Whether parameters are passed on the stack or via registers depends on the architecture |
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| 17:11:10 | mcuelenaere | amiconn: different red now |
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| 17:11:20 | bluebrother | amiconn: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:11:28 | wangxiang_ | static struct plugin_api *rb; char wavbuf[bufsize]; int readbyte = rb->read(fpWav,wavbuf,bufsize); rb->pcm_play_data(NULL,wavbuf,bufsize); |
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| 17:11:52 | amiconn | Coldfire always passes all parameters on the stack. ARM passes up to 4 parameters through registers. SH1 also does that, but if a function has >4 paremetrs, switches to all-stack parameters |
| 17:12:09 | amiconn | Less parameters is always better |
| 17:13:29 | wangxiang_ | fpWav is a pcm file, if (bufsize < length of pcm file), then pcm_play_data can play part of the pcm file? |
| 17:15:46 | wangxiang_ | i'm not so familiar with the plugin_api, thanks |
| 17:16:09 | Ubuntuxer | Please have a look. task/10099 |
| 17:16:10 | domonoky | wangxiang_: if you want to play a file in parts (ie the file is bigger then the memory) you have to use the getmore callback of pcm_play_data(...) |
| 17:17:09 | * | bluebrother types "task/10099" in the browser and gets redirected to http://www.attask.com/ |
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| 17:18:37 | bluebrother | Ubuntuxer: and what's the purpose of that patch? |
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| 17:23:58 | Ubuntuxer | If you use rb->lcd_putsxy(x, y, "text"); it doesn't always fits on the screen, so you have to scroll vertical, e.g. brickmania. The patch give you the ability to display formated text and you needn't care about the display size. |
| 17:24:58 | bluebrother | how should that work if the text doesn't fit on the display? (And why haven't I gotten this information from the task entry?) |
| 17:26:09 | Ubuntuxer | The remaining text is displayed, if you enter a button |
| 17:26:55 | Ubuntuxer | I will write a post in the tracker to explain it in detail. |
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| 17:29:08 | domonoky | and if this should go into the pluginlib, i think the naming needs to be improved.. names like text.c/.h are a bit too generic.. |
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| 17:31:40 | domonoky | another remark: in text.h, the enum should be moved inside the struct (so it doesnt pollute the normal namespace), and given a name. And the color should be of this enum type. |
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| 17:33:35 | domonoky | Ubuntuxer: so it looks more like this: http://pastebin.com/m712e56d0 |
| 17:34:12 | Ubuntuxer | ah, good |
| 17:35:45 | mcuelenaere | can't you put the text in the struct also? (saves a parameter) |
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| 17:47:46 | Ubuntuxer | Could be possible. |
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| 17:51:40 | Ubuntuxer | I have add an comment task/10099 |
| 17:52:23 | kugel | Ubuntuxer: the common way of referring to a task is saying FS#XX, task/XX looks a bit weird |
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| 18:27:02 | Hittudiv | petur: i supplied the code at gsoc page |
| 18:27:05 | Hittudiv | and i compiled it now :) its working.. |
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| 18:27:59 | Hittudiv | bigbambi: thanks for the help... my gcc is working fine now..and i succesfully installed arm-elf-gcc and compiled my rockbox |
| 18:28:00 | Hittudiv | :) |
| 18:28:06 | petur | I'll look later (I'm away now ;) ) |
| 18:28:43 | BigBambi | Hittudiv: cool, good job |
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| 18:47:43 | Hittudiv | BigBambi, are you a mentor for gsoc? |
| 18:48:05 | BigBambi | Hittudiv: Sort of |
| 18:48:11 | Hittudiv | ooh k |
| 18:48:39 | BigBambi | I'm involved, but won't end up mentoring I don't think |
| 18:49:14 | Hittudiv | i am new to irc. i dint use this b4... its all new to me |
| 18:49:25 | Hittudiv | but this is like dc++ we use in our campus |
| 18:49:34 | BigBambi | Real words pleaee, no "b4" etc. :) |
| 18:49:42 | Hittudiv | ok sorry |
| 18:49:47 | BigBambi | *please |
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| 18:50:12 | Hittudiv | :) ny the way.. i am sorry i didnot read the rules |
| 18:50:18 | Hittudiv | *by the way |
| 18:50:52 | BigBambi | no problem |
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| 19:25:04 | JdGordon | any objections to commiting 9795 this arvo? |
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| 19:27:25 | JdGordon | ... also 10094 |
| 19:27:40 | alexmhso | hey I'm having some trouble with my mounting. I'm on ubuntu 8.10 and the ipod is automatically mounted to some location. I can browse the ipod using banshee and so on, but I cant auto detect nor select my own location of the ipod in the rockbox utility. |
| 19:29:47 | kugel | JdGordon: care to tell me why add_event placement is plain wrong? |
| 19:30:03 | kugel | I didn't have any problems with the actual events yet |
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| 19:33:14 | JdGordon | the fact that it works doesnt mean its correct |
| 19:33:51 | kugel | then please just tell me why it's wrong |
| 19:34:03 | JdGordon | it happens way too late during the first time the wps is shown |
| 19:34:54 | JdGordon | also, I need to check, but i can imagine things going wierd when the track changes and you are in the pitch screen (for example) |
| 19:35:07 | kugel | well, I don't think so. debugf showed that the event is received when initially displaying the wps too |
| 19:35:27 | JdGordon | either way, I think leaving it registered all the time is fine for the first commit.. it can be fixed later |
| 19:35:44 | kugel | JdGordon: exactly that's why it must be in the restore part too. 13b is indeed broken in that regard |
| 19:36:14 | JdGordon | 13a is the one i intend on commiting |
| 19:36:41 | JdGordon | with the fix for 10085 done propelry |
| 19:36:51 | kugel | did you check if it has the skip length issue? |
| 19:37:16 | JdGordon | no, because you havnt said what it is |
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| 19:38:17 | kugel | general weirdness isn't enough? |
| 19:38:41 | snizwickit | has anyone received any feedback on their SoC app yet? |
| 19:38:43 | JdGordon | general wierdness is fucking useless... its a feature i've never touched |
| 19:39:01 | JdGordon | snizwickit: patience :) we hvae 22 to get through |
| 19:39:22 | alexmhso | can someone help me with the mount point in ubuntu? the autodetect doesnt find the ipod, but i can browse in a manager like banshee. Using an Ipod 5.5 gen 30gb |
| 19:40:46 | kugel | JdGordon: I'll check. Unless my chanes cause the weirdness, I'd say that my 14 does better than 13b (even if you change it to not remove the events) |
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| 19:46:03 | alexmhso | Anyone know what to do when the rockbox utility autodetects but when you click the installation button, it says no ipod detected? |
| 19:46:32 | BigBambi | are you running with root/admin rights? |
| 19:46:38 | BigBambi | And what version of RBUTil? |
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| 19:49:55 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: concerning FS #9795, i think the issue that sometimes the wrong metadata is shown after skipping is still there. |
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| 19:51:02 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: which is that? lots of fast skipping? |
| 19:51:05 | AlHaz | Quesiton: Why is it that the smallest battery capacity i can select on my Gigabeat F is 300mAh bigger than the biggest battery that fits in an F series? |
| 19:51:14 | AlHaz | Real quesiton: What file do i edit and then submit a patch? |
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| 19:54:21 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: i thing it depends on the timing. it happens when you skip moderately fast. |
| 19:55:15 | JdGordon | did you try the latest patches? |
| 19:55:27 | JdGordon | I was hoping that would be fixed, or at least no worse than svn gain |
| 19:55:56 | JdGordon | any after 12 should be good |
| 19:56:14 | PaulJam_ | i tried 13b and 14. with clean svn i cant reproduce it. |
| 19:56:40 | PaulJam_ | but i'll recheck. |
| 19:59:06 | kugel | JdGordon: well, actually, the weirdness is in svn too :/ |
| 19:59:31 | JdGordon | the skip length wierdness? |
| 19:59:41 | kugel | y |
| 19:59:50 | JdGordon | ok so file a bug and we can move on :) |
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| 20:03:35 | * | kugel still thinks you should pick 14, not 13b |
| 20:03:56 | kugel | it's optimising refreshing a bit more. |
| 20:04:44 | Hittudiv | alexmhso: did you check in /media |
| 20:05:11 | Hittudiv | ?if its detected by some player, it must be mounted |
| 20:05:31 | alexmhso | Hittudiv: Yes, the ipod is there as /media/ALEX'S IPOD |
| 20:05:57 | alexmhso | Hittudiv: But when i set that directory in the rockboxutility, it says it's not there, although the autodetect "works" |
| 20:06:12 | JdGordon | kugel: yes, but should be done in a seperate commit... the first goal of 9795 is to fix playback.... commits should only fix one thing at a time |
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| 20:07:03 | dionoea | does the sansa e200 (v1) port have charging while usb is plugged in? |
| 20:07:09 | dionoea | +hello |
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| 20:07:20 | bluebrother | dionoea: yes |
| 20:07:21 | kugel | yes |
| 20:07:27 | Hittudiv | dionea it gets struck in mine |
| 20:07:48 | bluebrother | according to MajorChanges since 2009-01-11 |
| 20:07:53 | dionoea | bluebrother: hum ok ... I though that the battery icon was animated when charging. Here it seems to be fixed |
| 20:08:05 | Hittudiv | it gets restarted and automatically boots to firmware |
| 20:08:34 | dionoea | Hittudiv: that's because you don't run a USB enabled build |
| 20:08:53 | dionoea | you can make it charge without restarting by holding the down button when plugging in the cable |
| 20:09:07 | bluebrother | there's also a difference between connecting usb for charging only and data connection |
| 20:09:26 | dionoea | I'm talking about charging while the data connection is active :) |
| 20:09:35 | dionoea | (even if it's unused) |
| 20:10:14 | bluebrother | not sure about that but with Rockbox usb mode I'd expect it to charge |
| 20:10:15 | Hittudiv | down arrow works.. thanks :) |
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| 20:15:13 | cornwall | Hi, new here...... |
| 20:15:37 | bluebrother | happens at times :) |
| 20:15:53 | cornwall | I have huge problems with my music database |
| 20:16:11 | cornwall | I've been trying to sort this out for quite a while now without success |
| 20:16:42 | cornwall | I'm using Songbird to sync, and most of my library has been imported by iTunes, but it's all out of order |
| 20:17:11 | cornwall | I have meticulously glazed over the out-of-order albums, but the track order is right, there are no differences in other fields, etc. |
| 20:18:19 | cornwall | Also, I have things like a ten-disc set of music, and they are organized as ten separate discs of the same album, each new disc starting at track 1 of *, but Rockbox displays ALL the track 1s together, 2s, etc |
| 20:18:40 | cornwall | any pointers? I can't for the life of me figure this out or find a forum dealing with this |
| 20:20:44 | bluebrother | I'm not really sure if I got your issue. The music is tagged correctly? |
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| 20:21:36 | cornwall | yes, without a doubt |
| 20:21:54 | Llorean | cornwall: What do you mean by "all out of order" exactly? |
| 20:21:59 | Llorean | It's hardly a useful description. |
| 20:22:13 | cornwall | For instance, I have Coltrane's "A Love Supreme", and it displays like so: movement 1, 2, 4, 3 |
| 20:22:13 | Llorean | Ignoring the multi-disc albums, that's a separate issue |
| 20:22:41 | cornwall | I have gone through and blanked all unused fields |
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| 20:22:56 | Llorean | And you're sure the actual metadata is right, and not just the songbird database of it? |
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| 20:23:08 | Llorean | If it's like iTunes, it may update an internal database, rather than writing the tags to the files. |
| 20:23:09 | cornwall | hm, would there be a difference? |
| 20:23:16 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't use the songbird database. |
| 20:23:18 | cornwall | that's interesting |
| 20:23:27 | cornwall | I'll check the files |
| 20:23:30 | Llorean | Rockbox generates its own database off of the metadata in the files. |
| 20:23:36 | bluebrother | also (assuming you're using mp3) you're sure you don't have id3v1 and v2 tags that differ? |
| 20:23:57 | cornwall | well, it was ripped at the same time |
| 20:24:07 | cornwall | I'm not sure of the differences of the id3v1 and v2 |
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| 20:24:21 | bluebrother | you should check that :) |
| 20:24:29 | cornwall | thanks, brb |
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| 20:26:07 | cornwall | I'm viewing the files from Ex Falso, and it seems to be okay |
| 20:26:56 | Llorean | The track number entry for those songs are simply 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the ones that actually belong in those locations? |
| 20:27:04 | cornwall | yes |
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| 20:27:25 | cornwall | I forgot to mention that movement three (on the bottom) has 1.04 before the title |
| 20:27:36 | cornwall | wheras the others have just 01, 02 and 03 |
| 20:27:40 | Llorean | Are you sure you're set to sort by tracknumber then? |
| 20:27:47 | PaulJam_ | JdGordon: the issue that the metaadata of the next track is shown is still there with 13b. to reproduce select a file from the filebrowser and as soon as the next track info is shown on the wps skip forward an then the second track plays, but the metadata of the third track is shown. so it seems to happen when you skip to the next track while it is currently being buffered. |
| 20:27:56 | cornwall | how can I set it? I cannot find any options to do that in the player |
| 20:28:16 | Llorean | cornwall: If you're using database, it's part of the tagnavi.config. If you're in the "Files" list, that's just filenames. |
| 20:28:57 | cornwall | Oh, but I'm browsing through a tag-reading program on my computer |
| 20:29:08 | Llorean | cornwall: I thought your problem was in Rockbox. |
| 20:29:23 | cornwall | it is.... |
| 20:30:07 | Llorean | If you're talking about it showing in the wrong order in a computer application, it's not a Rockbox issue |
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| 20:30:24 | cornwall | no, no, I'm saying it does do that in the Rockbox |
| 20:30:41 | Llorean | Then what does the tag reading program on your computer have to do with my statements regarding it in Rockbox? |
| 20:30:46 | cornwall | I was just glancing over the actual files themselves through the computer |
| 20:30:54 | Llorean | This statement refers to in-Rockbox - "cornwall: If you're using database, it's part of the tagnavi.config. If you're in the "Files" list, that's just filenames." |
| 20:32:30 | cornwall | okay, so, then, can I change the settings of the database? |
| 20:32:39 | cornwall | I couldn't find any configurations anywhere |
| 20:33:28 | Llorean | You need to edit the tagnavi.config if a list isn't sorting by the tags you want it to. |
| 20:34:08 | cornwall | really? O.o |
| 20:34:14 | cornwall | through my comp, or can I do it via ipod? |
| 20:34:45 | GrandMaster-D | slow down a bit, I try to follow... I guess I have a similar "problem" |
| 20:35:39 | Llorean | cornwall: Anything that can edit text files, easiest on your computer. |
| 20:35:49 | Llorean | cornwall: But it should sort by track numbers in places where it's appropriate. |
| 20:36:28 | JdGordon | PaulJam_: bah, ok... |
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| 20:38:16 | GrandMaster-D | erm anyways, i have an issue with rockbox on my iRiver H10, also about the tracksorting |
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| 20:39:31 | cornwall | this isn't particularly user-friendly.... I have no clue what I'm doing |
| 20:39:45 | cornwall | Just so ya know :P |
| 20:40:17 | Llorean | cornwall: If your files were consistently named and tagged it wouldn't be a problem. |
| 20:40:27 | cornwall | But they are, that's the problem.... |
| 20:40:39 | Llorean | You already said one of them at least shows with a different name in the list |
| 20:40:39 | cornwall | Even before I rip the CD, I make sure that they are all perfect |
| 20:40:42 | Llorean | That means it has a different tag |
| 20:41:03 | cornwall | Again, I don't know why. The tags read fine |
| 20:41:16 | cornwall | at least in every other program I have used to read it |
| 20:41:26 | cornwall | Apple included |
| 20:41:34 | Llorean | Did you check whether that one file has any extra tags you missed removing? |
| 20:41:37 | Llorean | Maybe disk number? |
| 20:41:43 | cornwall | Yep |
| 20:41:47 | Llorean | Double check it. |
| 20:41:52 | cornwall | I can line them all up with Ex Falso |
| 20:42:19 | cornwall | would permissions have something to do with this? |
| 20:42:22 | cornwall | possibly? |
| 20:42:25 | Llorean | FAT32 doesn't have permissions |
| 20:42:40 | cornwall | gotcha |
| 20:43:08 | Llorean | Have you re-initialized the database since correcting the tags and stripping extra ones? |
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| 20:43:57 | cornwall | yes, thoroughly |
| 20:44:04 | Llorean | What do you mean by "thoroughly"? |
| 20:44:17 | cornwall | well, I had wiped the entire pod |
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| 20:45:21 | cornwall | http://www.box.net/shared/1x8kauld43 |
| 20:45:29 | Llorean | cornwall: Play the problematic file in Rockbox, enter the context menu, and choose "Show Track Info" and see if there's any unexpected tags visible there |
| 20:45:38 | cornwall | will do |
| 20:45:54 | Llorean | cornwall: Do your other songs have that disk number tag? |
| 20:45:59 | soap | to continue from #rockbox-community... |
| 20:46:25 | cornwall | yes, they all have that, otherwise it would say (Different across 4 songs) |
| 20:46:32 | soap | So I think we have a real (and exampled) problem of people claiming they are unfairly treated when told to go to #rockbox-community. |
| 20:46:39 | Llorean | cornwall: Sorry, I'm not familiar with the software you're using, so screenshots don't help me any. |
| 20:46:46 | cornwall | no problem |
| 20:46:48 | Llorean | soap: I expect a lot of that, yes. |
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| 20:46:57 | soap | My only response to that is: "Is this a bigger problem than #rockbox talk happening in #rockbox-community? |
| 20:47:00 | Llorean | cornwall: Is that an ID3v1 or v2 tag? |
| 20:47:07 | soap | My gut feeling is no. |
| 20:47:14 | saratoga | i think most people here are smart enough to figure out when things need to be logged |
| 20:47:20 | Llorean | soap: We can fix that problem by being better ourselves, though, rather than by treating people unfairly. |
| 20:47:25 | BigBambi | nein |
| 20:47:29 | Llorean | It's kinda a question of "do we get better, or do we be worse to our users" |
| 20:47:36 | cornwall | How can I check? |
| 20:47:46 | JdGordon | soap: well part of th problem is now the converation is harder to follow because there is the support happening at the same time as this blurry line bit |
| 20:47:50 | soap | I claim that even in the worst case it is a double standard. I also claim that a double-standard is not unfair. |
| 20:47:55 | Llorean | cornwall: Many tagging programs can check, I don't know any specific way. |
| 20:49:03 | Llorean | cornwall: Also check if the filenames are consistent. |
| 20:49:47 | kugel | btw, I'd like to see the bot here to announce commits |
| 20:50:26 | soap | Allowing gevaerts (for example) to wax poetic about esoterica, while asking WebGuest46 to take his questions about last.fm software elsewhere is hardly a problem, IMHO, just as allowing any other creative salaried employee more leeway than you give the hourly janitorial staff is not a problem. |
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| 20:50:55 | Llorean | soap: Then "developers are never off-topic" can be appended and then leave the line in place. |
| 20:51:10 | soap | Though it clearly is a "double standard". |
| 20:51:21 | JdGordon | although.. the devs are the ones who frequently go off topiuc |
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| 20:51:47 | soap | I just don't feel there is a need for such clear and distinct lines. "Reasonable" is a perfectly, well, reasonable concept. |
| 20:51:50 | cornwall | I can see some garbage in the "Comments" section |
| 20:51:51 | Llorean | soap: A double standard where the line is clear is different than a double standard without any visible line. |
| 20:52:03 | cornwall | I cleared them all and will rebuild the database |
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| 20:52:17 | soap | This reeks of zero-tolerance rules which suspend 9th graders for asprin. |
| 20:52:41 | Llorean | soap: That's hardly a fair comparison |
| 20:53:04 | Llorean | If they put 9th graders with aspirin in another classroom where they could get an equal level of education, maybe. |
| 20:53:15 | Llorean | We do offer a location for discussion not related to Rockbox |
| 20:53:21 | soap | I think it is a very fair comparison. The fear of having to defend "reasonable" expectations leading the the creation of black-and-white rules to govern a grey world. |
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| 20:53:28 | Llorean | And we're clearly not talking about inviting *all* off-topic discussion in here |
| 20:53:35 | * | BigBambi thinks we should avoid hyperbole here |
| 20:53:42 | kugel | btw, who changed the order of the Rockbox Development subforums? |
| 20:53:45 | Llorean | So there needs to be some sort of line. I'm just in favour of making it a line that can be described so that when someone complains, you can say "this is why" |
| 20:53:58 | Llorean | kugel: I did. |
| 20:54:06 | kugel | intentionally? |
| 20:54:08 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 20:54:08 | soap | I'll admit to hyperbole, but I do think the idea of needing a black and white line is unreasonable. |
| 20:54:24 | soap | I think the same problem is plaguing the forums. |
| 20:54:36 | Llorean | soap: The line was never a problem until we actually created a place for people to go with off-topic chatter |
| 20:54:42 | * | kugel thought it might just have been accidentally due to april 1st |
| 20:55:03 | BigBambi | soap: I agree, I just tthink you risk alienating people that would otherwise agree when using hyperbole like that |
| 20:55:13 | soap | It wasn't? Are you saying the logs are not cluttered with hour long argumets over the rules? |
| 20:55:20 | Llorean | The problem isn't "we don't like off-topic stuff in here" |
| 20:55:27 | Llorean | The problem is "people talk too much on-topic in -community" |
| 20:55:46 | Llorean | Since the problem didn't really exist before -community existed, why is the solution to redraw the lines that worked before -community? |
| 20:55:47 | soap | And I argue the problem is the rules are too strict in here. |
| 20:55:49 | kugel | off-topic :) |
| 20:55:55 | soap | The rules did not work. |
| 20:56:02 | soap | That is the crux of my argument. |
| 20:56:19 | Llorean | soap: But you're arguing to replace the rules with "if anyone cares" |
| 20:56:24 | BigBambi | And it wasn't always like that either |
| 20:56:44 | Llorean | BigBambi: People have been told to hush when falling off topic since my first day in here. |
| 20:56:52 | * | Llorean was on the receiving end of it, way back then. |
| 20:56:59 | soap | I am? Hardly. I'm arguing that the pedantic need for a hard and fast line is lazy and a cause for the problem in the first place. |
| 20:57:09 | BigBambi | Llorean: For a good long time maybe, but it wasn't always like that |
| 20:57:15 | Llorean | soap: You're asking for a judgment call on reasonableness. That means "if it doesn't irritate someone, it's fine" |
| 20:57:41 | Llorean | I posit that if it's "reasonable" then it's already on-topic. |
| 20:57:46 | soap | Again, those are your words, not mine. Your apparent inability to make judgement calls without a rule-book to back you up is not my problem. |
| 20:58:01 | Llorean | soap: Personal attacks don't become you. |
| 20:58:13 | Llorean | We already have to make judgment calls - "does it relate to Rockbox" |
| 20:58:17 | Llorean | What do you want to loosen it to, if not that? |
| 20:58:18 | soap | lol |
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| 20:58:36 | GrandMaster-D | is it possible to have the database structure on my iRiver H10 "replaced" by the folderstructure? would save lots of time for tagging lots of music |
| 20:58:46 | Llorean | GrandMaster-D: Just use the file browser. |
| 20:59:05 | * | bluebrother spots a potentially dangerous issue in rbutil |
| 20:59:23 | bluebrother | now let's see if I introduced it in my local tree or if it's present in the latest svn as well |
| 20:59:43 | Llorean | soap: What do you define as "reasonable" then? |
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| 21:00:28 | soap | That can not be defined beforehand. |
| 21:00:32 | soap | by definition. |
| 21:00:40 | Llorean | You can give a range |
| 21:00:53 | soap | No - I am not going to be backed into writing a rule book. |
| 21:00:54 | GrandMaster-D | i will try |
| 21:01:11 | cornwall | I have another question while it updates.... |
| 21:01:34 | Llorean | soap: So then what's your suggestion then? |
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| 21:01:52 | Llorean | I mean, "allow discussion that's reasonable" is hardly useful on its own. |
| 21:02:12 | soap | To kick all on-topic conversation out of -community until habits change, and play it by ear. |
| 21:02:21 | cornwall | Is it not recommended to use "sudo ./rbutilqt" to run the rockbox installer program? |
| 21:02:28 | soap | The current consequences are too high of a price to pay. |
| 21:02:32 | Llorean | soap: I thought your problem was with the rules in here. |
| 21:02:36 | cornwall | that was the only way I could get it to have permission to access my ipod |
| 21:02:39 | GrandMaster-D | while we're at it: can anyone recommend any good free software for tagging mp3s? |
| 21:02:54 | Llorean | cornwall: That's only necessary for the bootloader install |
| 21:02:59 | soap | Insomuch as the rules in here create the problem in -community, yes. |
| 21:02:59 | BigBambi | cornwall: I needs sudo for bootloader instALLATION ON SOME TARGETS |
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| 21:03:12 | BigBambi | er, ooops |
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| 21:03:16 | cornwall | I did the complete install with sudo |
| 21:03:19 | cornwall | is that a problem? |
| 21:03:24 | Llorean | soap: The problem in -community is with developers, not users, mainly. I don't think the rules in here really cause it, as much as the availability of there. |
| 21:03:30 | Llorean | cornwall: No. |
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| 21:03:43 | BigBambi | cornwall: no |
| 21:03:47 | cornwall | sweet, thanks |
| 21:03:49 | Llorean | soap: We go there to chat about silly stuff, and because we're us, it eventually comes around to Rockbox. |
| 21:04:04 | Llorean | I don't see that as a rules issue, so much as a "human nature / interests" issue. |
| 21:04:37 | soap | I disagree. I believe there is quite the effort not to get scolded in here. |
| 21:05:21 | BigBambi | Add a anything goes for people with cloaks type thing? |
| 21:05:24 | cornwall | GrandMaster-D, what OS are you running? |
| 21:05:34 | GrandMaster-D | windows xp |
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| 21:05:45 | soap | if you feel you must, BigBambi. Clearly I don't deserve "anything goes" status. |
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| 21:06:00 | Llorean | soap: Maybe we should pay attention to how most on-topic discussions get started in there, a bit more, before discussing what the problem is? I think I'm right, but I don't deny that you could be. |
| 21:06:08 | BigBambi | soap: I don't feel I must, it was a suggestion |
| 21:06:22 | soap | Such a rule would have prevented Unhelpful's early-days of bmp resize. Thus another example of these concrete rules. |
| 21:06:25 | BigBambi | soap: And I don't see why you don't |
| 21:06:56 | BigBambi | I'm not arguing for or against them |
| 21:07:01 | soap | *these concrete rules being, by definition, not flexible enough for the real world. |
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| 21:07:08 | GrandMaster-D | for some reason the filebrowser is totally empty... if I open the root-thing it jumps directly to a song |
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| 21:07:21 | soap | GrandMaster-D: "root-thing"? |
| 21:07:27 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: "The root thing"? |
| 21:07:29 | Llorean | soap: I think the problem is that many people scold based on "I can't see how it relates to Rockbox" when it should be "only if it's absolutely certain Rockbox isn't involved" |
| 21:07:30 | cornwall | GrandMaster-D, my favorite is easytag |
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| 21:08:00 | GrandMaster-D | erm yeah, you open the filebrowser and there are to points to select... one is "root" and one is "text" |
| 21:08:04 | soap | "only if it's absolutely certain Rockbox isn't _and never will be_ involved" |
| 21:08:17 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: What player? |
| 21:08:19 | Llorean | soap: A potential future involvement *is* involvement |
| 21:08:38 | Llorean | If someone's hypothesizing about a truly ridiculous potential plugin, it's still a potential plugin. |
| 21:08:45 | GrandMaster-D | I will have a look ^^ |
| 21:09:14 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Surely you know? |
| 21:09:27 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: iriver, ipod, sansa, ... ? |
| 21:09:57 | soap | I don't mean to keep pinging him, or to use his name in a bad way - but honestly: How many people thought Unhelpful would pull it off on day one? He came across not much different than many other pie-in-the-sky see-them-once-and-they're-gone talkers. |
| 21:09:59 | GrandMaster-D | iRiver H10 |
| 21:10:04 | GrandMaster-D | with 20GB |
| 21:10:14 | BigBambi | And how did you transfer music? |
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| 21:10:18 | soap | On-topic can rarely be judged without the lens of history. |
| 21:11:00 | fml | kugel: just by studying the code (I haven't tried yet): I think that hopping back is flawed. If you have a positive length, you are near the end of the track, and hop back, you'd jump to the start of the track instead of just a step back. |
| 21:11:02 | GrandMaster-D | i conect it with the ums-trick (or what it is called) and just copy it to the iriver |
| 21:11:04 | Llorean | soap: I dunno, the first memory I have of him had me think he at least had a decent grounding to start from. |
| 21:11:18 | GrandMaster-D | do i have to put the files in a certain location? |
| 21:11:24 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Into what directory? |
| 21:11:25 | Llorean | soap: And "on topic" doesn't mean "deciding if we think they're too stupid to accomplish what they say they will" just "what they say affects or is affected by Rockbox" |
| 21:11:31 | soap | My first memory, no offense to him, was "here we go again." |
| 21:11:36 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Anywhere but the .rockbox directory |
| 21:11:46 | GrandMaster-D | just E:\Music |
| 21:11:57 | GrandMaster-D | E: is the iriver |
| 21:11:58 | Llorean | soap: I think that may be the problem then. You see the line as "if we think they're pie-in-the-sky, even if it's Rockbox, we tell them to get out of here" |
| 21:12:02 | Llorean | I don't think I've ever done that. |
| 21:12:07 | Llorean | Sorry, the *current* line |
| 21:12:20 | Llorean | Or if I have, I shouldn't have done it. |
| 21:12:24 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: What is the "Show files" setting in Rockbox set to? |
| 21:12:28 | soap | No - I see the current line as a line. |
| 21:12:35 | kugel | fml: yea, I noticed that too |
| 21:12:43 | Llorean | soap: You need some sort of guideline upon which to make the judgment calls. |
| 21:12:55 | Llorean | Even if it's "reasonably on topic" you need to define what "on topic" means |
| 21:13:22 | soap | Do we not trust GodEater to know when to ask someone to leave? Do we not trust JdGordon to speak his mind if someone is off-topic? I would rather have people making judgement calls than lines. |
| 21:13:47 | Llorean | soap: The line is still "on-topic", then, it's just judgment calls about whether someone crossed it. |
| 21:13:51 | * | BigBambi doesn't trust GodEater - he has met him :P |
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| 21:14:08 | soap | I disagree with the idea you need anything more than the most vague guideline. |
| 21:14:20 | soap | ok, a *sober* GodEater. |
| 21:14:20 | Llorean | "is related to Rockbox" is a pretty vague guidelines |
| 21:14:26 | Llorean | And that's what the line is *currently* |
| 21:14:29 | * | GodEater counts the money he's stolen from BigBambi's wallet |
| 21:14:38 | Llorean | Or if you want it vaguer, please tell me what it should be replaced with? |
| 21:14:38 | soap | then there is no need to add "anything goes for devs." |
| 21:14:44 | fml | kugel: that complicated condition (gwps.c:150) needs "direction==1&&" before "step >= remaining" |
| 21:14:47 | BigBambi | ! |
| 21:15:11 | * | GodEater is disappointed to discover it comes to "nothing at all" :( |
| 21:15:31 | BigBambi | GodEater: That's all it ever will be too :/ |
| 21:15:34 | * | GodEater reads back to discover why his name has been taken in vain |
| 21:16:11 | GrandMaster-D | erm, where do i find that setting? -_- |
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| 21:16:49 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Can't remember off the top of my head - check the manual |
| 21:17:08 | GrandMaster-D | well |
| 21:17:16 | GrandMaster-D | i'm nut sure but I think all options are disabled |
| 21:17:33 | Llorean | soap: Do you think there's a benefit at least having an approximately agreed upon "on topic"? |
| 21:17:45 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: eh? |
| 21:17:53 | soap | rephrase please, Llorean. |
| 21:17:56 | fml | kugel: also, the check for global_settings.prevent_skip in the function "next_track" can be dropped since it's already checked in play_hop |
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| 21:18:33 | kugel | fml: feel free to fix everything you find |
| 21:18:46 | Llorean | soap: I don't know how I can rephrase. What part do you have a problem with, maybe I can clarify if I knew what part. |
| 21:18:53 | fml | kugel: ok, just wanted to consult you before |
| 21:19:09 | GrandMaster-D | i guess i'll try to activate them randomly and look what happens |
| 21:19:20 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Why? |
| 21:19:27 | Llorean | soap: To me, your proposition sounds like "get rid of the idea of having an agreed upon channel topic, and let individuals decide on a case-by-case basis whether something meets their personal definition of on-topic" |
| 21:19:32 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Why not just check the one setting I mentioned? |
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| 21:19:42 | soap | Llorean: yes - frankly that is it. |
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| 21:19:58 | soap | It's the dev's show. |
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| 21:20:27 | soap | They just need to run it in here, not -community. ;) |
| 21:20:27 | Llorean | soap: I think that's going to cause periods of much harsher enforcement. I already think, for example, some people have tried to send people away for things that were related to rockbox, but perhaps unrealistic (as you've also mentioned) |
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| 21:20:57 | Llorean | I see the line as "where we stop", a sort of defense to keep enforcement from being too harsh |
| 21:20:58 | GrandMaster-D | oh |
| 21:21:06 | Llorean | Whereas, I think you may see it as a justification for enforcement. |
| 21:21:13 | GrandMaster-D | yes I guess I found it |
| 21:21:18 | GrandMaster-D | all the data is back again in the filebrowser |
| 21:21:20 | Llorean | That's why I'm asking you where the new one should be - so that people have a place to say "no, this is on-topic" |
| 21:21:28 | GrandMaster-D | wheee! :D |
| 21:21:35 | Llorean | Rather than being stuck with "oh, I've been told to leave, and the rules say it's entirely up to them" |
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| 21:22:00 | soap | I agree with how you see it - I just don't think your fears are grounded. |
| 21:22:26 | Llorean | soap: I've already had a few instances where I've asked someone "why are you telling them that's off-topic?" |
| 21:23:24 | soap | Yes, there will always be unreasonable behavior. I don't know how any rule can solve that... go on... |
| 21:24:14 | Llorean | Unreasonable, yes. |
| 21:24:39 | Llorean | But I'm more concerned about cases where dev/user/whatever just doesn't know where the line is. |
| 21:24:49 | GrandMaster-D | now I'll understand that root-thing, it was a playlist containing all songs and due to the setting it showed only playlists... -_- now i feel dumb; cu guys |
| 21:24:59 | Llorean | That's what one of these cases was, someone who thought on-topic was much stricter than it was, and has behaved differently after clarification |
| 21:25:08 | GodEater | unless the rules become an enormous book, I don't see how you can avoid that anyway |
| 21:25:13 | Llorean | If the rules are clear about what is "on topic" someone can at least say "Well, from the guidelines I thought this was okay here" and maybe prompt the complainer to re-examine things |
| 21:25:42 | soap | then perhaps a little pow-wow is needed on the -dev mailing list. Perhaps an evaluation of expectations, and consequences should be discussed. |
| 21:25:43 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, the proposition is to drop having a definition for "on-topic" and just let anyone (presumably with the authority to do so) say "I think that's off-topic" at will, iiuc. |
| 21:25:49 | GrandMaster-D | oh, one last question: is it possible to keep certain songs out of the database - so they appear only in the filebrowser? |
| 21:26:00 | GodEater | Llorean, seems perfectly reasonable to me |
| 21:26:11 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Certain folders, yes |
| 21:26:15 | GodEater | the people with the authority to do so in this channel is a damn short list unless somethings changed recently |
| 21:26:17 | Llorean | GodEater: I think it'd be better to at least *have* a channel topic. |
| 21:26:38 | BigBambi | GrandMaster-D: Put an empty file called database.ignore in the directory you want ignored |
| 21:26:44 | GrandMaster-D | cool, can you tell me how? |
| 21:26:46 | Llorean | GodEater: The people with authority to do so to you meaning "people who can actually kick" or "all devs"? |
| 21:26:55 | BigBambi | GodEater: Nope, still damn short |
| 21:27:02 | GodEater | people who can actually kick |
| 21:27:07 | Llorean | soap: Speaking of mailing lists, any further thoughts on the forum thing? that thread kinda died out. |
| 21:27:08 | GrandMaster-D | without any datatype ending? |
| 21:27:10 | soap | IMHO, the primary goal should be to make #rockbox a place for dev talk. Support is second. Whatever keeps the devs happy and facilitates the usefulness of the channel should be done. If on-topic in -community is harmful it should be addressed. If WebGuests are harmful than they should be addressed. etc. |
| 21:27:38 | BigBambi | Llorean: I like the proposal (r.e. forums) |
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| 21:27:55 | Llorean | BigBambi: Which one, the original or the one I amended with a few changes? |
| 21:28:12 | BigBambi | I think we should go ahead (with your idea of having a subforum for manual install) |
| 21:28:47 | GrandMaster-D | does it also work the other way? like not shown in filebrowser? 'hiding files' ? |
| 21:29:34 | GodEater | GrandMaster-D, the mechanism is not the same, but you can certainly hide files from the filebrowser (unless you have "Show files" set to All) |
| 21:29:59 | Llorean | soap: Maybe something simply like "#Rockbox is the channel for Rockbox development and support discussion. Please try to stay on-topic. If you wish to hold off-topic discussions you may be directed to #Rockbox-community" No explicit lines, plenty of elbow room? |
| 21:30:14 | soap | I'm fine with that. |
| 21:30:28 | Llorean | See, to me that's still a line. I think that's where we were butting heads. |
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| 21:30:41 | soap | and I'm fine with starting a week of going kick happy in #rockbox-community. |
| 21:30:50 | BigBambi | P.S. plase use real words |
| 21:30:51 | soap | "may" isn't a line IMHO. |
| 21:31:06 | BigBambi | *please |
| 21:31:09 | Llorean | soap: I think kicks wouldn't be necessary. -community is pretty good at hopping back in here when someone says "oh, hey, this belongs in the main channel" |
| 21:31:31 | soap | kicks simply because it is easier than "You're getting ontopic" ;) |
| 21:31:32 | GrandMaster-D | ah okay |
| 21:31:32 | GrandMaster-D | cu and thanks for the help guys |
| 21:31:33 | kugel | fml: I appreciate that |
| 21:31:40 | GodEater | whoah, we're suggesting kick people for accidentally straying on topic in -community ? |
| 21:31:51 | Llorean | GodEater: I don't know how serious that was. |
| 21:31:57 | soap | just to make a tongue-in-cheek point, GodEater. |
| 21:32:00 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 21:32:01 | GodEater | phew |
| 21:32:11 | GodEater | I've always thought we self-police that quite well enough |
| 21:32:13 | BigBambi | Not very I hope |
| 21:32:25 | Llorean | The problem that prompted all this is that -community has become a home-away-from-home for main Rockbox development talk, and soap's hypothesis is that it's because "somewhat off-topic" talk starts in there, then strays on-topic |
| 21:32:32 | soap | I think lots of people have developed a bad habit, and the nuns need to start knocking knuckles with rulers. |
| 21:33:02 | BigBambi | If any nuns rap my nuckles I'll kick them in the balls :) |
| 21:35:12 | soap | My hypothesis also includes a belief that -comminuty can't become more strict w/o it becoming less strict in here, and the ASSumption the cost of it being less strict in here is lower than the cost of dev talk in there. |
| 21:35:20 | fml | kugel: what should happen if skip length == 0 (i.e. we'd go to the prev track) but "prevent skipping" is active? Shouldn't we go to the start of the track if the user presses PREV? |
| 21:35:28 | soap | no more log-clogging for me. |
| 21:35:50 | fml | kugel: as of now, nothing happens |
| 21:36:13 | kugel | fml: huh? |
| 21:36:24 | Llorean | And I think we can be less strict in here by taking the current "related to Rockbox" to err on the side of "if it's vague, it's related" rather than "if you can't absolutely justify its relation, it's not related" (which seems to sometimes be the case) |
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| 21:36:44 | Llorean | soap: Any other ideas regarding the forums, btw? |
| 21:36:53 | Llorean | I'd like to nail down how we want to do the "related tools" sections |
| 21:37:10 | kugel | fml: not sure if we should be doing this |
| 21:37:20 | fml | If you just activate "prevent skipping" and you're in the middle of a track and press PREV −− what should happen? |
| 21:37:23 | * | GodEater can't actually remember the last time someone was asked to leave #rockbox and take it to -comnunity |
| 21:37:30 | soap | I can agree not to give sub sub forums to tools unless it becomes apparently needed. |
| 21:37:44 | soap | GodEater: because all the dev talk is in -community! |
| 21:37:53 | BigBambi | Llorean: I'd play that by ear |
| 21:38:09 | Llorean | soap: So categorical is okay maybe? "Music Management" "Audio/Video Conversion" and what other categories? |
| 21:38:09 | soap | I think that is what you were asking, Llorean? |
| 21:38:13 | fml | kugel: has it been agreed on? Where is the description of the feature? |
| 21:38:17 | BigBambi | Llorean: Start with no sub forums and see how it goes |
| 21:38:23 | soap | I'd even leave off the catagories for now. |
| 21:38:25 | soap | See what happens. |
| 21:38:33 | Llorean | So just "Related Tools" as one big forum? |
| 21:38:55 | soap | For now. We can add folders as needed to keep it down to a page of stuff or so, eh? |
| 21:39:12 | Llorean | Do we do all tools users might like, or tools with at least some recognition of Rockbox (WinFF, etc) |
| 21:39:30 | soap | (which opens a larger question: which is more condusive to "browsing" - a page of subforums or 5 pages of active threads?) |
| 21:39:52 | Llorean | soap: Well, subforums is like a minimal search beforehand |
| 21:40:13 | soap | I'd err on loose for now. "Rockbox Lifestyle", baby!. Whatever helps you Rockbox your world! |
| 21:40:20 | Llorean | But since the goal is support, I suppose, a search will almost be necessary anyway |
| 21:40:54 | TBOL3 | I would enjoy it being slightly less strict in here. But I do enjoy knowing that what is mentioned is related to rockbox. |
| 21:41:04 | Llorean | You aren't browsing for converter recommendations, but seeing if someone's got an answer for the problem you have with VLC |
| 21:41:12 | soap | I don't know how to balance it, though, in actuality. I think projects which give rockbox-specific support (like winFF) deserve more than MP3tag. |
| 21:41:15 | BigBambi | I err on the side of leniancy. If people want to dicuss making e.g. amarok work well with Rockbox, so be it |
| 21:42:04 | kugel | fml: if we do this, it means that PREV does something, while NEXT doesn't do anything |
| 21:42:25 | fml | Llorean: IIRC, you've taken part in the discussion about the "prevent skipping" feature. What should happen if you activate it, your hop setting is set to "skip track", and you press "PREV" in the middle of a track. (1) Do nothing (continue playing where it is now) or (2) Jump to the start of the current track |
| 21:42:40 | Llorean | soap: Maybe just make the POSTING IN THIS FORUM say "Please limit posts to questions about using your application for/with Rockbox" which will give it a lean favoring tools with Rockbox "modes" |
| 21:43:15 | Llorean | fml: It should behave exactly parallel to what it does if you try to go forward IMO. So if it does nothing going forward it should do nothing going back. |
| 21:43:23 | Llorean | the keys should always "mirror" each other, in my mind. |
| 21:43:36 | kugel | yep, my thinking too |
| 21:43:39 | fml | kugel: yes, that's abit assymetric, but these two actions are assymetric in other situations as well (if you're in the last track of the playlist and press NEXT or PREV) |
| 21:43:57 | soap | I think we're going to have to play it by ear either way, Llorean. An explicit stickied post saying this is a new concept, it might change. |
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| 21:44:16 | soap | Open the floodgates and we'll see what happens. Perhaps decide to convene on the topic in one month's time? |
| 21:44:21 | TBOL3 | Llorean: I think it should go for both forward and back. Ocasionally, I'm at the end of a long file, and inadvertantly skip to the next track. I would rather go to the next track, and go backwords, than start at the previos and go forwards. |
| 21:44:40 | fml | Llorean: see my last response to kugel, it was also for you |
| 21:44:48 | Llorean | TBOL3: This is with "prevent track skipping" on, though |
| 21:45:13 | Llorean | fml: Part of the goal of the option is to prevent a user from losing their place. It can be lost going forward or back. |
| 21:46:01 | fml | Llorean: hm... But the name (prevent skipping) is a bit misleading then |
| 21:46:19 | Llorean | soap: Well, I'm just trying to find a good starting point. Does "Please try to keep your questions about means of using the software with Rockbox" reasonable? |
| 21:46:23 | kugel | it's "prevent track skipping" |
| 21:46:38 | MT | I'm writing a fake codec, when writing the metadata detection, should I link it somewhere ? I always get a "undefined reference to "get_..._metadata()" when compiling. |
| 21:46:50 | fml | Llorean, kugel: if we jump to the start of the track, we don't skip track |
| 21:46:51 | TBOL3 | Perhaps a better solution would be to automatically keep a list of where you were in a file, before you skip to the next one. |
| 21:46:55 | Llorean | fml: In my opinion, we should either skip to either end of the track depending on forward/back, or neither end. |
| 21:47:02 | BigBambi | Llorean: AYE |
| 21:47:10 | TBOL3 | But it should only be a list of say 5 or so of your last skips. |
| 21:47:12 | kugel | I think it's reasonable to assume that if a person has skip length to track, but prevent track skipping on, he wants to disable PREV and NEXT entirely |
| 21:47:33 | Llorean | kugel: What about 5 minute skip in a 3 minute track ,though. |
| 21:48:56 | kugel | not sure, currently it skips to the beginning |
| 21:49:19 | fml | kugel: but if skip length is set to, say, 1 min, and and you're at 0:30 in the track, you jump to the start when PREV is pressed |
| 21:49:19 | bertrik | MT, yes IIRC there's some piece of code somewhere that knows about all codecs to check their metadata |
| 21:50:39 | MT | bertrik : I don't know if you mean 'metadata.c' ? but if so, yes, I'm supposed to add a switch case for my format there that calls the proper metadata detection function. |
| 21:50:41 | bertrik | MT, I think it is function get_metadata in metadata.c |
| 21:50:43 | Llorean | fml: Seek still works, though. |
| 21:50:58 | kugel | Llorean: skipping to the end isn't an option, I think. Given that time travels forward, that would basically equal skipping the track |
| 21:51:00 | MT | bertrik : The problem is that whenever I 'make |
| 21:51:31 | TBOL3 | Was the homepage of rockbox.org made with twiki? |
| 21:51:44 | Llorean | kugel: I'm just saying, I think the behaviours should match each other. |
| 21:51:49 | MT | bertrik whenever I compile I get an "undefined reference to 'func_name'" |
| 21:51:51 | BigBambi | no, but the wiki is |
| 21:51:55 | BigBambi | *is |
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| 21:52:57 | TBOL3 | So, it's just static html? |
| 21:53:55 | bertrik | MT, weird, can't find any 'func_name' in C source or header file |
| 21:53:59 | bluebrother | TBOL3: large parts are twiki, but some pages are static |
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| 21:55:04 | fml | Llorean: skip lenght == 0 and skip length != 0 behave differently if you press PREV but can't "correctly" do that because "prevent skipping" is active. If "skip length == 0" nothing happens. But if length > 0 then you jump to the start of the track. |
| 21:55:27 | MT | bertrik : by func_name I meant my function to get metadata. I should add a switch case that will invoke (get_mtf_metada() ) to get_metadata() in metadata.c |
| 21:55:57 | MT | bertrik : then whenever I compile (make) I get an "undefined reference to get_mtf_metadata()" error |
| 21:56:32 | bertrik | MT, does the source file containing get_mtf_metadata actually get compiled? |
| 21:57:23 | cornwall | Hey, Llorean, it looks like it worked |
| 21:57:51 | cornwall | iTunes has this habit of spamming comments with hex data |
| 21:58:02 | MT | bertrik : no, that's why I was asking whether I should link it somewhere. I have written my metadata detection following the wiki and another format as an example, so I don't know why it doesn't get compiled. |
| 21:58:09 | cornwall | I thought I had cleared it all out, I had checked! |
| 21:58:11 | kugel | fml: when I think about it, taking the possiblity away to go the start of a track isn't really nice. It's not track skipping, so it shouldn't be taken away |
| 21:58:30 | cornwall | however, I still don't know what to do about the multiple CDs |
| 21:58:41 | cornwall | Much of my music is broken down into 2 or 3 CDs |
| 21:59:17 | fml | kugel: that's my reasoning too. Track skipping should mean just that: going to another track |
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| 22:00:06 | bertrik | MT, then it's probably just a case of adding the source file to the 'SOURCES' file. |
| 22:00:29 | Llorean | fml: If "repeat 1" is on, does "next" go back to the start of the track in that situation? |
| 22:00:32 | kugel | fml: and it really shouldn't behave differently depending on skip length |
| 22:00:45 | bertrik | rockbox/apps/SOURCES I mean |
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| 22:02:32 | MT | bertrik : right, thank you very much :) |
| 22:03:13 | fml | Llorean: I think, effectively yes (that's waht the user sees). Internally, it goes to the start of the next track which happens to be the same one since repeat is set to 1. That's my speculation, I didn't try. |
| 22:03:27 | Llorean | fml: I mean if track lock is on |
| 22:04:19 | fml | Llorean: then I don't know. These option dependency is too hard to understand for me. |
| 22:04:58 | fml | Llorean: and: are we talking about how it works now or how it should work? |
| 22:05:19 | Llorean | Both |
| 22:05:22 | kugel | Llorean: if prevent track skipping is on, NEXT does nothing unless there's enough time to do a step |
| 22:05:51 | Llorean | kugel: See, that makes no sense to me. |
| 22:06:09 | kugel | there's no dependency for the repeat mode |
| 22:06:09 | Llorean | Why should we allow skipping backward but not forward? |
| 22:06:27 | kugel | because skipping backward doesn't mean skipping a track |
| 22:06:30 | Llorean | If there's no room to actually "leave" the track, nothing should happen. |
| 22:06:42 | Llorean | Skipping back *does* leave the track, conceptually, it just immediately then starts |
| 22:06:58 | Llorean | It's the same technicality as "skipping to immediately before the end is the same as skipping to the next track" |
| 22:06:59 | kugel | no, it sets elapsed to 0, and rewinds |
| 22:07:16 | Llorean | *conceptually* |
| 22:07:25 | Llorean | you go to before the track, and start playing |
| 22:07:42 | fml | Llorean: but something is done in the case when skip length is > 0, namely jump to the start |
| 22:07:44 | Llorean | Otherwise skipping to the last millisecond of the current track isn't the same as skipping to the next track. |
| 22:07:50 | kugel | it doesn't mean skipping a track. period. prevent track skipping is meant to prevent track skipping |
| 22:08:10 | Llorean | kugel: Jumping to the last millisecond doesn't mean skipping a track either |
| 22:08:12 | Llorean | By that argument |
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| 22:08:23 | Llorean | It means "skipping within the track, then letting what will be, will be" |
| 22:08:41 | kugel | I don't think a user cares about that if he notices that the next track is starting right away |
| 22:09:10 | Llorean | kugel: And I don't think I user cares that technically he didn't leave the track, if "prevent track skipping" allowed him to lose his position when he didn't want to. |
| 22:09:29 | kugel | it's meant to not lose the track, not the position |
| 22:09:42 | Llorean | kugel: That's silly |
| 22:09:45 | Llorean | You never lose the track |
| 22:09:50 | Llorean | If you skip to the next track, you can immediately press "back" |
| 22:09:51 | kugel | it's not silly |
| 22:10:12 | Llorean | It's to prevent losing the position |
| 22:10:16 | Llorean | See the discussion around the feature |
| 22:10:30 | Llorean | The whole point was to prevent the user from losing their position if the next track was less than skip length away |
| 22:10:36 | fml | Llorean: I'm with kugel here. Either it works not how it should or the option name is misleading. |
| 22:11:04 | kugel | Llorean: and this is what we do |
| 22:11:05 | Llorean | "Previous" and "Next" skip to a point *between* tracks. |
| 22:11:17 | Llorean | Llorean: Except a position would be lost with a back skip, but not a forward skip |
| 22:12:08 | * | Llorean wonders how he managed to tab Llorean instead of Kugel |
| 22:12:22 | * | kugel too |
| 22:12:43 | Llorean | Anyway, if the goal is to prevent losing the place when the skip will take you out of the track, we should do that |
| 22:12:55 | Llorean | If the goal is _not_ to prevent you from losing place, we should skip the maximum amount possible within the track either way |
| 22:13:17 | Llorean | Maybe 1 second from the end, so that it's possible to rewind "inward" from the end, assuming it's intentional |
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| 22:13:37 | TBOL3 | Will 1 sec. be enough? |
| 22:13:42 | kugel | not at all |
| 22:13:56 | Llorean | It takes less than one second to press "right" then hold "left" |
| 22:14:27 | Llorean | You could do two or three if you felt this was too prone to accidents. |
| 22:14:52 | TBOL3 | Yes, but I've found (at least for my sansa), that doing so triggers some bug in the code. (It doesn't crash the player, it just locks it up for a few seconds, and then usually starts at the begining of the playlist). |
| 22:14:53 | Llorean | My point is still the same - decide what the goal is for the whole feature rather than setting separate goals for "left" and "right" |
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| 22:15:21 | Llorean | TBOL3: Then the bug should be fixed... features shouldn't be restricted based on it. |
| 22:16:08 | TBOL3 | Ok, bug was a bad choice of words, but I think it is do to just a lack of power in the device. |
| 22:16:20 | TBOL3 | But true, the point is noted, sorry. |
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| 22:30:37 | M4ndri | hi |
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| 22:31:25 | M4ndri | i have a sansa e250 and want to add a microSD memory.. its 2GB maximum or with rockbox i can add 4GB ? |
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| 22:32:26 | Llorean | Rockbox supports all MicroSD and MicroSDHC sizes |
| 22:32:30 | temp_lazyguy | if you can find a 4gb microsd |
| 22:32:40 | temp_lazyguy | or a 4gb sdhc |
| 22:32:49 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: eh? |
| 22:32:59 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: They are all over the place |
| 22:33:14 | M4ndri | it can be any brand ? |
| 22:33:16 | temp_lazyguy | i have never seen a 4gb reg microsd |
| 22:33:25 | temp_lazyguy | i know they exist though |
| 22:33:26 | M4ndri | lol !!! |
| 22:33:31 | BigBambi | yes |
| 22:33:40 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: well, sdhc |
| 22:33:43 | temp_lazyguy | once you got to 4gb+ it's sdhc |
| 22:33:56 | temp_lazyguy | yeah that's what i meant by reg microsd |
| 22:33:58 | M4ndri | my sansa has 2GB internal memory |
| 22:34:00 | BigBambi | but as Rockbox supports both it doesn't matter |
| 22:34:07 | M4ndri | so i can buy a 4GB microSD and its safe ? |
| 22:34:14 | temp_lazyguy | yeah |
| 22:34:21 | M4ndri | and brand ? or sandisk ? |
| 22:34:28 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: I know, I read your sentence as aying you couldn't find a 4gb microsd at all, sd or otherwise |
| 22:34:30 | M4ndri | andy |
| 22:34:30 | temp_lazyguy | if probably gonna get sdhc |
| 22:34:33 | M4ndri | any* |
| 22:34:41 | BigBambi | M4ndri: Anything |
| 22:34:51 | M4ndri | ok thnx |
| 22:34:53 | temp_lazyguy | u need to get a sdhc adapter |
| 22:35:05 | temp_lazyguy | for computer |
| 22:35:11 | Llorean | temp_lazyguy: Please don't use "u" here, we ask for real words |
| 22:35:11 | M4ndri | i found a place to buy microSD 4GB |
| 22:35:20 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: Why? |
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| 22:35:21 | M4ndri | is not sdhc |
| 22:35:27 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: Use Rockbox USB mode |
| 22:35:37 | pixelma | soap: about the forum reordering - I just wanted to add that I would imagine something else when reading a "Rockbox Lifestyle" headline, I'm somehow thinking fashion or what brand of beer you like (to not take it too off-topic ;) ) |
| 22:35:40 | temp_lazyguy | grammer police, let's add periods to the sentences as well |
| 22:35:46 | BigBambi | M4ndri: Seriosuly, It doesn't matter |
| 22:35:54 | temp_lazyguy | and capatialize our sentences |
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| 22:36:10 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: Please don't be silly - there is a reason for the real words |
| 22:36:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: I'd agree there... rockbox lifestyle defiently sounds off topicy |
| 22:36:53 | temp_lazyguy | ( ´_?`) |
| 22:37:19 | temp_lazyguy | wow, no unicode, whatever |
| 22:37:24 | BigBambi | Many blind people and those with English as a foreign language use screen readers/translation software. Real words is important there, whilst capatlisation and full stops aren't |
| 22:37:38 | BigBambi | *are |
| 22:37:53 | BigBambi | grrr, capatlisation |
| 22:37:55 | temp_lazyguy | anyways, i joined because i wanted to know how you get usb mode in rockbox |
| 22:38:08 | BigBambi | Install a current build |
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| 22:38:28 | temp_lazyguy | because when i plug it in (c250), it goes back to original firmware |
| 22:38:37 | temp_lazyguy | and yeah, i just updated rockbox |
| 22:38:51 | BigBambi | To what version? |
| 22:38:55 | temp_lazyguy | 3.2 |
| 22:39:07 | BigBambi | Right, install a current build, not the release |
| 22:39:17 | temp_lazyguy | hmm |
| 22:39:18 | temp_lazyguy | k |
| 22:39:41 | temp_lazyguy | >Yes, as of 2009-02-26 (r20105), Rockbox supports USB on the E200 and C200 targets. |
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| 22:40:02 | temp_lazyguy | the latest verison of rockbox was released 23rd |
| 22:40:05 | BigBambi | And the release notes clearly state that it was disabled for the release |
| 22:40:12 | temp_lazyguy | lol |
| 22:40:14 | temp_lazyguy | okay |
| 22:40:16 | BigBambi | Seriously, I'm not lying to you |
| 22:40:19 | temp_lazyguy | yeah |
| 22:40:28 | BigBambi | Why do people ask for support and then argue? |
| 22:40:45 | temp_lazyguy | yup i see it |
| 22:40:51 | temp_lazyguy | how i did i argue |
| 22:40:54 | temp_lazyguy | i agreed |
| 22:41:22 | Llorean | temp_lazyguy: It looked like argument since you were quoting something with a date before the release that didn't even need to be said if you agreed. |
| 22:41:39 | M4ndri | if i add a sdhc memory to my sansa e250 it would be fine or max is 4gb ? |
| 22:41:42 | Llorean | It's hard to tell context in here, so you really should limit to saying things that actually need said. |
| 22:41:59 | BigBambi | M4ndri: For the eighteenth time, ANY IS FINE |
| 22:42:24 | M4ndri | BigBambi: sorry i just dont want to burn my money |
| 22:42:35 | BigBambi | M4ndri: any size, any manufacturer, any colour, any smell, .... |
| 22:42:45 | M4ndri | rofl! |
| 22:42:46 | JdGordon | it wont work in the OF though... |
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| 22:43:03 | JdGordon | you have to use rockbox's usb to use it |
| 22:43:09 | BigBambi | JdGordon: Nope, but this is #rockbox! |
| 22:43:41 | M4ndri | oohh |
| 22:43:55 | M4ndri | when i plugged in, it uses the Original Firmware |
| 22:44:02 | M4ndri | =O |
| 22:44:07 | M4ndri | so it wont work |
| 22:44:17 | BigBambi | Are you using an up-to-date current build? |
| 22:44:23 | M4ndri | i guess |
| 22:44:28 | M4ndri | i install using the utility |
| 22:44:33 | BigBambi | M4ndri: IT WILL WORK |
| 22:44:35 | M4ndri | install the complete version |
| 22:44:37 | temp_lazyguy | u can load files onto the sd card before hand then put it into the e200 |
| 22:44:44 | Llorean | temp_lazyguy: Seriously, don't use "u" |
| 22:44:49 | temp_lazyguy | it will read in rockbox |
| 22:44:54 | temp_lazyguy | yeah, habit |
| 22:45:06 | BigBambi | M4ndri: If you have an up-to-date current build (not the release) then Rockbox USB mode is enabled and will work |
| 22:45:10 | M4ndri | i dont have a memory reader for my computer |
| 22:45:38 | BigBambi | M4ndri: You don't have to, if you have an up-to-date current build (not the release) then Rockbox USB mode is enabled and will work |
| 22:45:41 | kugel | complete installation is installing the latest release |
| 22:46:00 | M4ndri | look i used the utility |
| 22:46:10 | bluebrother | M4ndri: then buy one |
| 22:46:11 | domonoky | you have to use the seperate "install rockbox" button, to get the latest build.. |
| 22:46:13 | kugel | for a current build, go to the installation tab and chose to update |
| 22:46:24 | M4ndri | ohh |
| 22:46:28 | temp_lazyguy | BigBambi, is there a way to turn the usb function on in the latest verison? |
| 22:46:33 | BigBambi | M4ndri: The manual explains which options in the utility install which build |
| 22:46:38 | * | bluebrother wonders WHY he added a dialog box telling *exactly this* |
| 22:46:38 | M4ndri | and you know, themes are not working =( |
| 22:46:40 | kugel | update/install (it's the same anyway) |
| 22:46:40 | Llorean | temp_lazyguy: It's on in the latest builds, just not the release. |
| 22:46:48 | bluebrother | M4ndri: PLEASE read the dialog boxes! |
| 22:46:55 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: Not in the release (without building from source) |
| 22:46:59 | temp_lazyguy | no, i mean, is there a way to enable it |
| 22:47:01 | temp_lazyguy | okay |
| 22:47:15 | temp_lazyguy | thanks |
| 22:47:37 | M4ndri | what i did was to run rockbox utility and choose Complete Installation |
| 22:47:47 | M4ndri | from the Quick Start tab |
| 22:47:57 | kugel | You already said that |
| 22:47:57 | BigBambi | M4ndri: we know |
| 22:48:04 | M4ndri | in the Installation tab i have : Install the bootloader |
| 22:48:09 | M4ndri | and the Install Rockbox |
| 22:48:13 | M4ndri | options |
| 22:48:19 | BigBambi | M4ndri: We know! |
| 22:48:23 | kugel | choose install rockbox, and select current build |
| 22:48:29 | BigBambi | M4ndri: And we told you which one to use |
| 22:48:30 | M4ndri | :) |
| 22:48:49 | M4ndri | and it will update the one i have or i need to uninstall my current rockbox ? |
| 22:48:59 | BigBambi | M4ndri: I really really don't know how to make this any simpler |
| 22:49:06 | BigBambi | M4ndri: update |
| 22:49:11 | M4ndri | ok |
| 22:49:13 | temp_lazyguy | i think it will just overwrite it, you dont need to delete |
| 22:49:13 | M4ndri | thank you |
| 22:49:28 | M4ndri | i will do it now :)= |
| 22:49:32 | M4ndri | thank you guys! |
| 22:51:07 | M4ndri | mmmm its the svn version is this not so buggy ? |
| 22:51:22 | bluebrother | "not so buggy"? |
| 22:51:33 | M4ndri | lots of bugs |
| 22:51:39 | BigBambi | It is fine |
| 22:51:41 | M4ndri | i speak spanish sorry |
| 22:51:43 | bluebrother | buggy as in what buggy? What bugs? What issues? |
| 22:51:50 | BigBambi | Otherwise I wouldn't have told you to install it |
| 22:52:05 | bluebrother | the channel language is english, so please at least try. |
| 22:52:28 | M4ndri | im trying |
| 22:52:36 | M4ndri | or im talking TOOO bad ? |
| 22:52:57 | temp_lazyguy | just install the latest build, if your mp3 player crashes often, reinstall the current release verison |
| 22:53:03 | BigBambi | M4ndri: I hadn't even realised that English wasn't your first language, so you are clearly doing fine :) |
| 22:53:06 | temp_lazyguy | chances are it will work fine |
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| 22:53:38 | BigBambi | It isn't any worse than a release (at the moment) |
| 22:54:11 | BigBambi | In Rockbox it is very rare that SVN is significantly broken |
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| 22:55:30 | M4ndri | it through me an error |
| 22:55:40 | M4ndri | it says something like device missmatch |
| 22:55:45 | M4ndri | or something like that |
| 22:55:51 | M4ndri | ok or abort |
| 22:55:59 | M4ndri | i hit ok and it seems to be installing :S |
| 22:56:10 | M4ndri | its downloading rockbox.zip now... |
| 22:56:10 | bluebrother | "something like that". Is it possible to be more specific here? |
| 22:56:18 | bluebrother | we KNOW how it works |
| 22:56:22 | M4ndri | no because i forgot =( |
| 22:56:34 | M4ndri | let me check if it was installed ok :D |
| 22:57:10 | bluebrother | well, you might have hit a bug in Rockbox Utility. It's present in 1.2 and affects sansa and some ipod players |
| 22:58:04 | M4ndri | yeahhh i now have rockbox with usb :D |
| 22:58:11 | M4ndri | loving rockbox <3 |
| 22:58:21 | BigBambi | :) |
| 22:59:08 | M4ndri | do you know if someone is planning to add the pictureflow plugin for selecting and playing music and not just for showing covers ? xD |
| 22:59:20 | M4ndri | it would be soo sexy :D |
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| 22:59:59 | M4ndri | oohh is my device charging with the rockbox usb ? :O |
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| 23:00:14 | M4ndri | i have no battery indications :S |
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| 23:02:19 | TBOL3 | M4ndri: Umm... isn't it already in there? |
| 23:02:31 | TBOL3 | Also, what build are you using? |
| 23:02:35 | M4ndri | the last one |
| 23:02:38 | BigBambi | TBOL3: No |
| 23:02:40 | M4ndri | i plug it in |
| 23:02:47 | M4ndri | and it shows the usb cable |
| 23:02:50 | M4ndri | in the screen |
| 23:02:54 | M4ndri | but no battery indications |
| 23:03:03 | bluebrother | what's that of a feature? Cable moved to screen |
| 23:03:04 | M4ndri | its the only way i have to charge it now... using usb port |
| 23:03:23 | BigBambi | M4ndri: battery indication should be in the status bar (you might have turned it off), and whether it shows in the WPS or not depends on the theme |
| 23:03:39 | M4ndri | oh.. i see |
| 23:03:47 | BigBambi | M4ndri: You don't get battery whilst connected to USB |
| 23:03:50 | M4ndri | thanks bambi you are the man :) |
| 23:04:07 | M4ndri | i have my sansa since yesterday :) |
| 23:04:09 | BigBambi | M4ndri: The manual tells you what button to press while connecting the cable to charge via USB but not connect |
| 23:04:35 | M4ndri | i dont have the manual |
| 23:04:38 | BigBambi | So you can charge and continue to use your player at the same time |
| 23:04:41 | M4ndri | is it on the website ? |
| 23:04:57 | temp_lazyguy | really? what's the button |
| 23:05:05 | BigBambi | M4ndri: Yes, it is the link "Manual" on every single page |
| 23:05:18 | BigBambi | temp_lazyguy: Check the manual |
| 23:05:25 | bluebrother | M4ndri: you spotted that "manual" tab in Rockbox Utility? |
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| 23:07:26 | TBOL3 | M4ndri: The button is the center select button. |
| 23:07:30 | TBOL3 | But read the manuel. |
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| 23:07:52 | TBOL3 | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 23:07:57 | temp_lazyguy | cant find it, what section of the manual is it |
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| 23:08:42 | bluebrother | temp_lazyguy: how about fulltext-searching the pdf? |
| 23:09:00 | temp_lazyguy | reading the online manual |
| 23:10:15 | TBOL3 | The particular page can be found here: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-250003 |
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| 23:32:35 | M4ndri | i installed the new rockboz firmware |
| 23:32:37 | M4ndri | and is not charging |
| 23:32:42 | M4ndri | i check the battery status |
| 23:32:51 | M4ndri | and not charging while in usb mode |
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| 23:33:11 | M4ndri | is the only way i can charge is through usb and is not working... need help here :( |
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| 23:34:25 | kugel | it is charging |
| 23:34:37 | M4ndri | no its not |
| 23:34:40 | M4ndri | it was 98% |
| 23:34:43 | M4ndri | i plugged in |
| 23:34:50 | M4ndri | and now when i remove it |
| 23:34:54 | M4ndri | it says 97% |
| 23:35:01 | M4ndri | so.. now charging |
| 23:35:13 | M4ndri | and i cannot see any indicator of charging |
| 23:35:20 | M4ndri | i change the theme |
| 23:35:23 | M4ndri | and nothing... |
| 23:36:13 | rasher | M4ndri: there is no indicator of charging (which is a bug), but it *is* being charged. 98-97% could be fluctuations |
| 23:36:20 | M4ndri | i need help here because if its not charging i wont be able to do anything with it when the battery runs out |
| 23:36:37 | rasher | You can just boot the original firmware. |
| 23:37:01 | M4ndri | if you are sure is charging its fine |
| 23:37:05 | M4ndri | i love rockbox :D |
| 23:37:12 | M4ndri | maybe |
| 23:37:15 | M4ndri | its a bug |
| 23:37:19 | M4ndri | and thats it |
| 23:37:29 | M4ndri | i will tell you tomorrow :D |
| 23:37:39 | BigBambi | M4ndri: Rockbox will dual boot, so if you really want you can use the OF to charge in |
| 23:37:56 | M4ndri | how can i do the dual boot ? |
| 23:37:57 | rasher | It does charge very slowly though, if you play music or anything other battery intensive, it might not be enough to charge |
| 23:38:04 | rasher | M4ndri: This is described in the manual |
| 23:38:17 | M4ndri | ohh i have to go and read :D |
| 23:38:20 | M4ndri | ok.. no problem |
| 23:38:23 | M4ndri | i will do that |
| 23:38:33 | M4ndri | thank you for helping me out |
| 23:38:36 | M4ndri | you guys rock! :D |
| 23:38:37 | rasher | In the "Getting Started" chapter I belive |
| 23:38:46 | M4ndri | like rockbox :D |
| 23:38:49 | M4ndri | rofl! |
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| 23:43:48 | M4ndri | i forgot to ask about something weird =( .. i used to see my covers on the picture flow and now the only thing i see is "?" |
| 23:44:15 | M4ndri | is this a bug on the new firmware rev ? |
| 23:44:50 | rasher | If your covers were found previously but aren't now, that sounds like a bug. Where is your album art located, how is it named, which file format is it in, and how big is it? |
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| 23:45:26 | M4ndri | its 100x100, they are all cover.bmp |
| 23:45:37 | M4ndri | located on the folder of the corresponding album |
| 23:45:59 | rasher | Does it show in the WPS? |
| 23:46:07 | M4ndri | it does |
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| 23:47:05 | M4ndri | i hit rebuild cache |
| 23:47:15 | rasher | I was going to suggest that |
| 23:47:17 | M4ndri | let me restart the device |
| 23:47:36 | M4ndri | sansa > ipod |
| 23:47:45 | pixelma | is your database also up to date? |
| 23:47:57 | M4ndri | it is :D |
| 23:48:17 | M4ndri | yeah the rebuild cache works out of tha box :D |
| 23:48:23 | M4ndri | when restarting |
| 23:48:24 | M4ndri | :_D |
| 23:48:25 | M4ndri | ^^ |
| 23:48:29 | M4ndri | im happy now :D |
| 23:48:38 | M4ndri | sansa and rockbox ftw!!!!! |
| 23:52:01 | soap | pixelma: That was intended as a partially tongue-in-cheek placeholder of a name. I think it sums up my vision for the forum (well, outside the fashion part) but I was hopeful someone would come up with a better name. ;) |
| 23:52:48 | M4ndri | im a c++ programmer |
| 23:52:54 | M4ndri | is it easy and well documented |
| 23:53:01 | M4ndri | the rockbox project ? |
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| 23:55:22 | Bagder | yes it is |
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