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#rockbox log for 2009-04-09

00:00:08kugelpetur: huh? sorry, the latest one should be v9 then
00:00:18JdGordon|or 8a
00:00:22JdGordon|or.. :D
00:00:23peturheh
00:00:38peturand the size?
00:01:38kugelpetur: I do it in another way now
00:01:47kugel9795 made it easier too
00:02:41peturok, building now
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00:05:58kugelthanks
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00:09:33LambdaCalculus37My patch is up as FS #10108.
00:12:06peturkugel: looking ok...
00:13:05kugelcool
00:13:28LambdaCalculus37Test to heart's content. :)
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00:13:57kugelso this can finally go in (tomorrow) :)
00:14:02kugelpetur: thanks for testing
00:14:33peturkugel: the issue I found last time was starting the playback via the remote, right?
00:14:57kugelyep
00:15:23peturthat's ok now
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00:15:49peturfor the rest I did a short check of some things and all appears to work as it should
00:16:19kugelthe issue with the remote was actually in svn
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00:18:00LambdaCalculus37Any ideas to my second problem?
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00:20:14rasherLambdaCalculus37: build for one target at a time. kugel broke building multiple compilers at once, iirc
00:20:52kugely :(, tried to fix it, but not fit enough in sh. maybe I should just revert the whole thing
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00:21:35LambdaCalculus37kugel: Revert it or no more beer for you, young man. :)
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00:21:51kugelhehe
00:21:53rasherLambdaCalculus37: I'm pretty sure that's the issue you're seeing there
00:22:03LambdaCalculus37rasher: I believe it is.
00:22:04kugelgives fixing one more time, reverting is a shame :(
00:22:19LambdaCalculus37kugel: It's also a pain in the ass to have to build one arch at a time.
00:23:09LambdaCalculus37Oh!
00:23:29LambdaCalculus37kugel: Can you try FS #10108 out?
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00:23:44kugelsure, but not today anymore
00:24:07LambdaCalculus37When you can, then.
00:24:21*LambdaCalculus37 wants to make absolutely sure it doesn't break anything
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00:29:27Bagderchannels. Did you see
00:29:58Hillshumd
00:30:11linuxstbI have
00:30:57*gevaerts
00:35:00HillshumShould the e200v2 manual build?
00:35:53rasherDon't think so
00:37:18Bagderso Lyre seems to change quite a bit for the next proto
00:37:45scorchegood
00:37:48Bagder"LPC ARM9 + color LCD (16 bit colors + 240x ??) + Lion battery chaged by USB + SD Card + wheel and buttons" ...
00:38:05*Llorean still thinks wheels are a poor interface choice.
00:38:09linuxstbSounds like a Sansa...
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00:38:22scorchelinuxstb: a much more expensive sansa...
00:38:23gevaertsLlorean: tell that to the car industry :)
00:38:24Bagderan expensive sansa, yes
00:38:35*scorche wins
00:38:42*linuxstb thinks we should just send Casainho a Sansa...
00:38:48Lloreangevaerts: For MP3 players.
00:38:53*Hillshum likes tactile wheels
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00:41:18Bagderpossibly this LPC then => http://www.standardics.nxp.com/products/lpc3000/datasheet/lpc3130.lpc3131.pdf
00:41:27LloreanI find buttons are more usable in my pocket than wheels.
00:41:39LloreanBagder: is this the next generation Lyre, or is it a parallel effort?
00:41:43Bagder"Low-cost, low-power ARM926EJ microcontrollers with USB High-speed OTG, SD/MMC, and NAND flash controller"
00:42:02BagderLlorean: hard to tell, but it sounds like this is the next prototype
00:42:26Bagderor could be at least
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00:42:59LloreanA target price of 120 Euro seems really expensive to me.
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00:43:19Hillshumhow much storage?
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00:43:41HillshumSD card only?
00:44:12LloreanThere needs to be enough internal storage for a build of Rockbox, or you negate most of the value of having swappable storage.
00:44:19Bagderthe LPC I linked to has a nand interface too, so it could have "native" nand too
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00:44:40Hillshumabout a gig inside?
00:44:43linuxstbOr at least for the cfg file - Rockbox itself could be in (flash) ROM
00:45:03Lloreanlinuxstb: Codecs, plugins, fonts, and currently in-use theme should all probably reside wherever the binary is.
00:45:25linuxstbLlorean: Yes, in ROM... Although themes are trickier...
00:45:25BagderHillshum: there's nothing said about it so we're just guessing
00:45:27LloreanOtherwise you still have to manage keeping several cards in sync if you want to take advantage of the swappable aspect.
00:46:15LloreanI don't think you'd need to get above even 64MB of internal storage though, and that's assuming Rockbox grows a considerable amount.
00:47:42Bagderbut no LPC seems to have internal flash anyway
00:47:59Bagderhttp://www.standardics.nxp.com/products/mcus/arm9/parametric/~LPC3131/?sub=03&family=26#LPC3131
00:49:29LloreanIt sounds like it basically still has the shortcomings of previous designs then, just with a bigger screen and a wheel?
00:50:05Bagderpretty much my understanding too
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00:52:29LloreanBut these are changes being made by the person who actually intends to sell it himself. In that case, I guess he knows what groups he wants to target with it.
00:53:22Bagderyes. Or he's just guessing...
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00:54:14LloreanWell yes. I mean though that he's making the change for his own sales, rather than trying to design a board that he's then going to try to convince someone else to sell.
00:55:18*Llorean still holds a small hope for a large HD "open" player.
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01:13:18kugelBagder: do you know why rockboxdev complains if rbdev-build already exists?
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03:04:41dreamlayerskugel: FS #10020 allows resuming of rockboxdev.sh
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03:06:58kugeldreamlayers: that probably involves not deleting rbdev-build
03:07:28kugelI could fix it not doing this too, but I don't know why the current does just die if it already exists, maybe there's a reason
03:08:22pixelmadreamlayers: I saw your forum post about the backlight on v2 recorders issue. Maybe you could talk to amiconn (he's the still most active dev of Archos related things and has a v1 recorder too). Guess he'll only be available in a few hours though (it's 3AM here)
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03:09:22dreamlayerspixelma: Thanks, I'll talk to amiconn.
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05:26:04webguest36hey
05:26:06webguest36i need help with my sansa
05:26:16webguest36my version file seems to be corrupt?
05:26:23webguest36can anyone fix this for me?
05:26:32advcomp2019you need to use the e200tool
05:26:33webguest36and if i install rockbox will the fix my sansa
05:26:40webguest36i dont have linux though
05:27:46webguest36can someone help me
05:27:49advcomp2019there was an e200tool for windows but it was just buggy and out of date unlike the linux one
05:28:06advcomp2019you can download and burn a livecd
05:28:15webguest36where can i download the e200 tool for windows
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05:28:28advcomp2019you cant
05:28:55webguest36?
05:29:30webguest36so what im screwed
05:29:33advcomp2019you can not get the the e200tool for windows
05:29:47webguest36can someone do tht for me and send me the files?
05:29:50advcomp2019you can download and use a livecd
05:30:05webguest36the live cd i dont have lots of memory thats y
05:30:26scorcheso?
05:30:26webguest36what is tango media digital platform? when i boot
05:30:32webguest36in manufactoring mode
05:30:59advcomp2019yes that is manufacturer mode.. windows does not have the driver tho
05:31:09webguest36would it fix the problem if i install rockbox?
05:31:13webguest36oh okay
05:31:41webguest36?
05:31:50advcomp2019you need a working sansa to install rockbox
05:31:57webguest36aw oh
05:32:05webguest36umm so m screwes
05:32:09webguest36screwed
05:32:23webguest36okay thanks
05:32:29advcomp2019you can download and use a livecd.. a livecd is free
05:33:03scorchewebguest36: you arent screwed...once again, we have a nice guide on how to fix this on our wiki...you just need to use a livecd
05:33:07webguest36can someone do that for me and send me the files so i dont have to install linux
05:33:21scorcheyou dont have to install linux...use a livecd
05:33:31webguest36k lemme try
05:34:21webguest36where do i download the cd
05:34:50advcomp2019you can get ubuntu and it is a livecd
05:34:58webguest36okay
05:35:01webguest36live cd means?
05:35:08scorchehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
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05:36:37Lloreanwebguest36: There is nothing someone can do for you. It's something that has to be done with the broken player connected, so it can't be done by anyone else but you.
05:36:48LloreanYou've been in here asking about it multiple times, and gotten the same answer each time.
05:36:54webguest363 hrs download
05:37:05webguest36this is my first time here?
05:37:18LloreanNo, it's not.
05:37:31webguest36um yes it is how are you gunna tel me
05:38:52webguest36now 6 hours
05:38:59Lloreanwebguest36: We don't need to know how long it's going to take you
05:39:48webguest36does it really take 6 hrs
05:41:28LloreanIt depends on your connection speed. Very possibly.
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05:42:18webguest36thanks
05:52:17webguest36how about http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php
05:52:48LloreanMost linux liveCDs ought to work
05:53:13webguest36so no on the slax
05:54:03Unhelpful...he didn't say that at all
05:54:16webguest36?
05:54:17webguest36?
05:54:26Unhelpfulthat slax would not work.
05:54:41webguest36okay
05:55:07advcomp2019webguest36, any livecd will work.. it is all up to you
05:55:12webguest36okay
05:55:26webguest36its taking a long time thats why but i guess ill have to wait
05:55:46webguest36now this live cd wont hurt my computer correct?
05:56:24Lloreanwebguest36: It will not.
05:56:27webguest36k
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05:56:32webguest36thanks
05:56:33LloreanIf you want to learn more about LiveCDs, please use google
05:56:39LloreanThis channel is for questions about Rockbox.
05:59:22webguest36http://fixmysansa.blogspot.com/
05:59:54LloreanPlease don't paste links unrelated to the channel topic.
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06:21:27webguest36whats the sever edition
06:21:28webguest36?
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06:28:18scorche|sh20:56 < Llorean> If you want to learn more about LiveCDs, please use google
06:28:21scorche|shbah
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06:50:21Lindais there another more quicker way to download a live cd?
06:51:02scorche|shsure...get a faster internet connection
06:51:09Lindabesides that
06:51:17scorche|shnow please stop bringing up non-rockbox related topics here
06:51:31Lindakbjbjbn
06:51:32Lindajkmbklm
06:51:35scorche|sh...
06:51:46scorche|shdo you really want to go there?
06:51:53Lindano
06:51:57scorche|shthen cut it out
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09:09:35Ark74hi good night!
09:11:03Ark74can some one help me?, i'm trying Rockbox to display Album artwork
09:11:28Ark74but, so far not much information about it
09:12:12Unhelpfulhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AlbumArt should cover pretty much everything you need
09:13:42Ark74thanks!
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09:44:48pixelmaBagder: could the daily manual page also state the current revision? It would be an indicator whether they are broken or not. Currently I'm looking at some pdfs as they state the build date in the beginning and are not replaced if the daily build failed, that's a bit tedious)
09:45:25B4gdera good idea!
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09:51:02pixelmafor each target on its own, much like the build pages do
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09:59:09nls_webB4gder: can we get a big red "BROKEN!" printed under broken manuals too? :)
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10:00:43pixelmaa manuall build table? ;)
10:00:49pixelmamanual too
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10:41:08B4gderwe should do a manual build table
10:41:23B4gdermrsomeone!
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12:38:06robin0800how can I correct this error configure didn't find sdl-config, which indicates that you
12:38:06robin0800don't have SDL (properly) installed. Please correct and
12:38:06robin0800re-run configure!
12:38:49kugelrobin0800: get sdl1.2 developement packages
12:39:10kugelapt-get install libsdl1.2-dev on debian/ubuntu
12:43:03robin0800kugel: Thanks that fixed it
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14:44:22spdifH140, optical out, is Replay Gain applied to the optical signal ?.
14:45:11spdifor is all sound processing bypassed ?
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14:48:18spdifthat was poorly phrased, is all sound processing bypassed with optical out ?.
14:50:57rasherspdif: Looks like you've caught us at a bad time.
14:52:07spdifyep, seems slow today, that's ok
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15:14:15BagderLambdaCalculus37: I would expect the "expensive" part with a separate nand is the design of it
15:14:31Bagdernot the cost of the physical circuit
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15:20:23LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Point taken. :)
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15:25:27rasherBagder: that snippet you posted makes it seem like it's the entity manufacturing the adapter who has to pay, not someone reselling the thing
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15:42:02wangxiangi install the vmware rockbox, while ./rockboxui, why it says "unable to open audio"?
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16:41:27IuDeXHi, so now playing is end on Sansa AMS? (end of work :) )
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16:46:46LambdaCalculus37IuDeX: Hardly. There are a lot of bugs and kinks to iron out. The Sansa AMS is not what I would call "ready for daily use".
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16:52:35IuDeXLambdacCalculus37: Thanks for reply. Now I'm using Rockbox "daily". I'm converting MP3's to 160kbit/s CBR. Maybe medium quality, but good "firmware" ;]
16:53:50saratogavery nice work funman
16:54:17IuDeXaa - 160kbit/s CBR My sansa plays without skips etc.
16:54:32rasherIuDeX: The daily build is from last night
16:55:45UbuntuxerI added viewport support to my lib, which display formated text. FS #10099
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16:57:56IuDeXrasher: I know :)
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17:00:30naisho2Hello everyone.
17:01:45naisho2Woot has the 4th generation iPod nano (8gb) on sale today for $100.
17:02:05naisho2The problem is, I've been running Rockbox on my stuff since I got my 1st gen Nano.
17:03:06naisho2I don't want to be pushy but is there any chance that Rockbox will work on this new Nano within a reasonable timeframe? Currently I'm using an iPod Video 30Gb and everything is working great but I like the responsiveness of the flash based hardware.
17:03:51naisho2Also, since I'm running Linux I'd really rather not have to install Apple's proprietary software to get my own music on my own hardware.
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17:04:54naisho2Thanks for your work so far, Rockbox is great and I recommend it to anyone who has the hardware to run it.
17:05:33gevaertsnaisho2: the newer ipods have encrypted firmware. It's very doubtful if rockbox will ever run on them I think
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17:10:23funmanhi!
17:11:02DarkSpectrum-wonder why apple did that, you would think with a more functional firmware "rockbox" they would sell even more units
17:11:07naisho2gevaerts: thanks for the response. I was wondering why new models hadn't been added in such a long time.
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17:11:31naisho2But Rockbox negates iTunes :)
17:11:52gevaertsyou know there are other brands out there, right?
17:12:01DarkSpectrumyou can still buy from itunes without connecting the ipod
17:12:04DarkSpectrumcant you?
17:12:25funmani need some info about recording : can the simulator emulate recording ? the simulator stubs appear to be here just to enable compilation
17:12:53DarkSpectrumnaiso: i just picked up another Sansa c240 yesterday from microcenter for $20, consider that if you want a cheap rockboxable player
17:13:02naisho2gevaerts: yes, but I had a bad Zune experience. I know there's the iRiver and others but iPod's are fairly well constructed, even though the audio quality is so-so
17:13:06DarkSpectrumnaisho2*
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17:13:44gevaertsfunman: congratulations :)
17:14:21funmangevaerts: well i found my own mistakes :o
17:14:31naisho2DarkSpectrum: Can't go wrong with microcenter, eh? I love that place.
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17:15:10funmannow perhaps we can get some Sansa AMS in rockbox 3.3 !
17:15:40DarkSpectrumif i knew how to code i'd help with that, i want rockbox on my clip badly
17:16:39funmanDarkSpectrum: perhaps you can work on keymaps for plugins, it's quite easy : you only have to modify a (simple) source file
17:16:59DarkSpectrumi wouldnt even know where to start
17:17:15gevaertsfunman: it's hard to find bugs in other people's code if you've done most of the work yourself :)
17:17:22DarkSpectrummy only programing experiance is with gwbasic and qbasic over a decade ago
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17:18:50funmanDarkSpectrum: look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
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17:19:46funmanBagder: did you reply to AMS yet ?
17:19:53DarkSpectrumlol i allready have the build enviroment setup
17:20:11funmanDarkSpectrum: then just look at apps/keymaps/keymap-clip.c ^^
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17:20:44funmanand also every individual .c file in apps/plugins (search for "CLIP_PAD" to find the keys mapping)
17:20:45saratogafunman: trying out your patches now
17:20:48DarkSpectrumyou know anything object oriantated just confuses the hell outta me
17:21:10funmansaratoga: cool! if you have an idea to speed up unaligned transfers just tell :)
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17:22:15DarkSpectrumwhat exactly needs to be done to the key maps?
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17:23:02DarkSpectrumheya kugel
17:23:55DarkSpectrumi seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:23:57kugelfunman: I haven't tried the patches yet, but I find it unbelievable that the ATTR_ICODE etc one didn't work when I tried to implement it
17:24:02kugelanyway, great job
17:24:25funmankugel: the problem was especially on iram size/origin overwriting in app & plugin
17:24:31wpyhfunman: with your patches, the backdrop corruption is gone
17:24:44wpyhhowever, ogg and mp3 playback are broken now...
17:24:52funmanbut this brings another problem : why some codecs don't use ATTR_ICODE etc, but directly .icode section ?
17:25:02funmanwpyh: hum .. on e200v2 ?
17:25:25wpyhogg files can't play (they just skip), mp3 files either get "codec failure" or "Undefined instruction at 00010C64"
17:25:26DarkSpectrumfunman: i'm tryin to do a SVN update, any reason it's running super slow?
17:25:27kugelfunman: well, I tried giving the core 0x10000 and codecs&plugins 0x40000. It booted, but codecs just skipped tracks
17:25:31funmandid you update the codecs as well ? (make clean sometimes help)
17:25:35wpyhah, sorry: it's on a 8GB Fuze
17:25:59kugelfunman: yes
17:26:17saratogafunman: did you ever get a datasheet for the as353x?
17:26:36saratogai wouldn't worry too much about transfer speeds right now, without USB they're basically irrelevent anyway
17:26:42wpyhI didn't do a make clean, but I see that the codecs are updated (the time stamps are new)
17:26:42funmansaratoga: no, I put Bagder and my AMS contact in relation, but i don't know if Bagder answered
17:26:44kugelwell, I didn't always do make clean, but they've always been re-LD'd
17:27:09saratogaok i hope we get that soon
17:27:15saratogai'm very curious to find out whats changed
17:27:19funmanwpyh: i think the iram copy routine isn't written if you don't use make clean
17:27:31saratogai reran configure to be safe
17:27:32funmansome dependancies problem :/
17:27:34wpyhfunman: hmm... ok, I'll try again
17:27:43kugelfunman: so, if that works, I'd like to give the codecs the same as they get from PP's iram (128k), and use the rest for drivers
17:27:45funmani've been listening mp3 all night long !
17:28:03funmankugel: sure, and perhaps put the big lcd framebuffer in iram
17:28:13funmanand also the buffer we use for unaligned ata dma transfers
17:28:21DarkSpectrumvim ~/rockbox-20666/apps/keymaps/keymap-clip.c
17:28:28DarkSpectrumwhoops sorry
17:28:55kugelfunman: yup, that all worked when I tried it, scrollwheel was noticeably smoother with button driver in iram.
17:29:01kugelit was just the codecs that didn't work
17:29:24saratogakugel: I'd like to give drivers the same as they got on PP, and use the rest for codecs
17:29:43kugelsaratoga: how many has PP in general?
17:29:50funmanperhaps you noticed that : sometimes there is a scrollwheel when i just use one of the 4 directions buttons
17:29:59kugelthere's nothing giving mroe than PP to codecs, so anything more is wasted
17:29:59saratoga96/128kb total with 48kb for core
17:30:03funmanthis is especially boring in minesweeper, doom and pegbox :/
17:30:07saratogai can fix that
17:30:17saratogado you have some use for the IRAM in mind?
17:30:32funmanworld domination !
17:30:38DarkSpectrumfunman: ok what am i lookin at here? what do i need to do?
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17:30:49saratogacodecs use 90%+ of the CPU time so they seem the obvious place to use fast memory
17:31:03funmanDarkSpectrum: modify the file until you find button navigation intuitive and consistent
17:31:17DarkSpectrumummmm ok
17:31:22kugelfunman: that could be fixed I think. reset the internal counter if there's 1 or 2 ticks of "silence"
17:32:18funmankugel: i didn't want to look at this since you know well that part, but i wondered if i was the only one to see this problem
17:32:31kugelsaratoga: no, not yet. However, I put most drivers into IRAM (buttons, lcd, framebuffer), it already used upto 0x20000. if you can find use for the other 0x30000, go ahead :)
17:32:51DarkSpectrumwow ok from a quick skim, i guess you are right it is messed up... how do you sugest i test my changes? with the clip simulator?
17:32:54kugelfunman: no, I have that too, but didn't find it annoying enough yet
17:33:06DarkSpectrumhey kugel......
17:33:10DarkSpectrumi seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:33:11kugelhi...
17:33:14saratogamusic is working!
17:33:15funmanDarkSpectrum: on the simulator or on the clip, as you like
17:33:31funmangevaerts: so, are you volunteering to write usb driver for sansa ams ?
17:33:39DarkSpectrumfunman: i have a v2 clip and i'm not comfortable tryin to load it on there yet
17:33:50saratogakugel: is there any sense in putting button drivers into IRAM? they're probably not CPU intensive
17:33:56funmanDarkSpectrum: ok, so on the simulator then (clipv2 doesn't work at all)
17:33:57saratogaor rather memory intensive
17:34:13FlynDicefunman: patching right now, you da man!!
17:34:14DarkSpectrumalso hae 1xe260, 3xc240 :)
17:34:27DarkSpectrumhave*
17:35:19funmanFlynDice: i tried your patch applied on top of these, but didn't see much difference :/ now at least we removed some unrelated problems!
17:35:39gevaertsfunman: I'll thinks about it :)
17:35:40saratogaI was thinking we could put the entire MP3, WMA, FLAC, MPC codecs in IRAM, and maybe have enough left over to put some of the playback/DSP stuff there as well
17:35:46DarkSpectrumOMG!! compile is gonna take forever!!
17:35:52funmansee you, and keep on rocking : Sansa AMS in rockbox 3.3 !
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17:36:12DarkSpectrumargh i need a new system
17:36:18kugelsaratoga: but they should be accessed as fast as possible
17:36:42kugele.g. the button driver is polled every 10ms
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17:37:01saratogayeah but it likely accesses memory very little, so what good is IRAM?
17:37:06kugelwe have really enough iram. I don't think we need to fight about what gets how much
17:37:06*wpyh wonders where funman went
17:37:28kugelsaratoga: the code can also be in iram, not only data
17:37:38saratoga145MHz for MP3 decoding
17:37:43DarkSpectrumhey anyone know where to get a super cheap mobo and chip?
17:37:55saratogai'm guessing the cache is not on?
17:38:01kugelin svn not, no
17:38:26saratogathe mp3 codec is probably 90% in IRAM already though
17:38:38kugelDarkSpectrum: did you want to tell me anything?
17:38:45DarkSpectrumi seen your reply to my bug report, why does normal setting disable the backlight on hold when "off" does the same thing?
17:38:52DarkSpectrumjust that :)
17:39:26kugelnormal is probably a bad name. the only difference to off is that off turns it off on switching, while normal lets the normal timeout turn it off
17:39:50*wpyh hears sound on his Fuze!
17:39:58kugelthe buttons aren't even read in the drivers while hold is on so they couldn't even switch the light on
17:40:14DarkSpectrumyeah thats kinda deceptive, by it's name i thought it would act as it does on the OF, letting it turn back on with a keypress while hold is on
17:40:21DarkSpectrummy bad then
17:41:16kugelDarkSpectrum: toggling hold off with turn the light on too, if you only want the light on shortly
17:41:30DarkSpectrumyeah thats basically what i wanted
17:41:53DarkSpectrumis it possible to change the drivers, if so maybe i'll learn some coding and look into it
17:42:21*DarkSpectrum wants to contribute more to rockbox then just themes anyway
17:42:39wpyhmp3 playback works on the Fuze after I removed the whole build directory and made a new fresh build
17:42:47kugelit should be possible yes, but we don't want that
17:42:53DarkSpectrumoh
17:42:55kugelhold handling is mostly software
17:43:09kugelwell, I can't speak for everyone, but I wouldn't want that
17:43:26DarkSpectrumwhat needs work then on either the Sansa E's or C's ?
17:43:38kugelbacklight is the most power consuming part. using hold is not only a matter of not pressung buttons accidentally, but also to save battery
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17:44:00kugelone of the most*
17:44:03midijunkiemp3 + wma playback works on my fuze, nice :>
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17:44:30DarkSpectrumyeah but the 3 settings for backlight would at least allow the option if someone wanted that functionality without haveing to constantly flip the hold switch
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17:45:16kugelwell, I have set it to off, I could probably live with it when normal let's the backlight go on
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17:46:04DarkSpectrumi just really miss that functionality from the OF, i light keypress turning the backlight on while on hold
17:48:08DarkSpectrumanyway, i'm lookin to get into something here... what needs to be done for either the sasna e's or c's ?
17:48:25saratogahmm had test disk crash and dump me back at the menu
17:48:41saratogathough its working now
17:51:15scorche|shDarkSpectrum: this is why we have flyspray ;)
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17:52:10DarkSpectrumhow do i tell from that what is or is not being worked on?
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17:52:47DarkSpectrumwb
17:55:40saratogai'm testing on a fuze 4gb
17:56:01kugelsince when do you have another fuze, btw?
17:57:37saratogai bought one a week ago
17:57:50wpyhok
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17:58:59wpyhwell, I get a weird behaviour: I was playing an mp3, then when it finishes playing, playback stops (I set Repeat:All, Shuffle:Yes). then when I resume playback, it starts in the middle of another song
17:59:04wpyhcouldn't reproduce it though...
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18:01:08saratogatheres definately still some bugs, i'm getting periodic crashes in test_codec
18:03:07wpyhwell... ok. at least it's very usable now. are the crashes in test_codec reproducible everytime?
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18:04:49DarkSpectrumout of curiosity approximatly how many people are actively developing for rockbox?
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18:27:53gartrali have something to point out with the Lyre project and the SD Royalties issue, which is: what not use MMC over SD?
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18:29:22gevaertsgartral: because you can't get MMC cards in decent sizes?
18:29:25rashergartral: Because MMC is old?
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18:31:59rasherAlso expensive
18:32:25pixelma4GB is already ok but of course sizes you can get with SDHC are better (and the announced 8GB cards were never available for end users)
18:32:38pixelmas/cards/MMCs
18:32:43rasherpixelma: I can't even find a 4GB MMC here.
18:33:47pixelmathose exist for quite some time already
18:33:58pixelmaoften called "MMC plus" or so
18:34:31rasherNot available in any web shop in Denmark.
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18:34:53rasherThere are 2GB MMC+ cards..
18:35:09amiconn4GB should basically always be MMC plus
18:35:31amiconn2GB come as either MMC plus or plain MMC
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18:38:28rasherBasically impossible to find a 4GB card it seems. Whereas 16GB SD cards are plentiful
18:38:56rasherAnd MMC cards are generally rather scarce (and thus expensive)
18:39:11amiconnMenawhile they are, unfortunately :/
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18:41:15*amiconn can find several offer for 4GB MMCs (although Trancend - the slightly probelmatic ones for Odnio use)
18:41:32amiconnPrices starting at €12.47
18:42:06gartraltoo bad the Super Digital creators didn't make a host, only media... not like we'll ever use the DRM features of SD :/
18:42:22rasherBut anyway, I believe my point is made about MMC being expensive and hard to find compared to SD
18:42:36gartralrasher: yes
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18:51:01gartralhmm. rbutil says "Problem detected: Target mismatch detected, Installed target: <blank>, Selected Target Sansa E200" this is on ubuntu 8.10, but if i continue, rockbox is installed properly :/
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19:00:59LambdaCalculus37gartral: That problem's been fixed and is in SVN, but we just have to roll a new rbutil.
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19:17:46bertrikare there any plans to commit the work by funman soon?
19:18:01snizwickitwhat did funman do?
19:18:11gevaertshe wrote code :)
19:18:28snizwickiti mean what did he add?
19:18:30bertrikFS #10113 and FS #10114
19:18:55gevaertsbertrik: I think it should be committed, preferably by someone who has tested it :)
19:19:30bertrikgevaerts, what are you waiting for :) ?
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19:20:32bertrikok, I'll test and commit then
19:21:02webguest24Is MP3 playback on the Clip stable with the new patch? Or is it for Fuze only?
19:21:38bertrikI don't quite understand fully why funman can't commit himself
19:23:07bertrikmaybe I should wait
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19:31:01saratogaputting a bunch of stuff in IRAM decreases the CPU clock by 10MHz to 135MHz
19:31:03moosfunman shoote again. A nice hope from him to have AMS targets on the next release
19:31:05saratogafor MP3
19:31:40saratogai think pretty much the whole codec is in IRAM at this point so I'm not sure why its still so slow, unless theres a lot of variables that don't show up in the .map in DRAM
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19:32:21gevaertswhat does objdump say?
19:32:37saratogai didn't realize it could check this
19:32:39bertrikit still glitches and crashes with FS #10114
19:32:42bertrikon my clip
19:33:08gevaertstry objdump −−syms
19:34:11bertrikI think we should have another critical look at the AMS sansa clocking, it has two PLLs and various dividers and I think we're not using them optimally yet
19:37:40saratogalooks like some of the imdct stuff is in dram
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19:52:40saratoganow i'm sure everything is in IRAM, but its still quite slow
19:53:09saratogaalso test_codec doesn't crash, it just stops updating the screen sometimes, I'm not sure why
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20:02:55freqmod_quto the forum thread
20:04:34bertrikI think problem reports for a specific patch should go to the tracker to leave the forum thread for reporting progress
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20:11:56freqmod_qui don't think the patch is the reason for the problem
20:12:26freqmod_qumore that it was not possible to find the problem before the patch as playback was too flaky
20:12:58saratogai wonder if the test_codec weirdness is related to the LCD update patch
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20:37:14spdifH140, when using optical out are all the sound settings and replay gain bypassed ?
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20:49:52bertriksaratoga, commit funman's patches?
20:50:45bertrikI got a few playback stops, but at least mp3 playback is an order of magnitude more stable now on my clip
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20:55:37Slasheriwatchin machinae supremacy live :)
20:55:56gevaertsYou ported rockbox to a concert venue?
20:56:18Slasheri=)
20:59:35wincentReady for the interview.
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21:00:33wincentBigBambi: ping
21:00:46BigBambiwincent: stand by :)
21:01:42pixelmaSlasheri: did you see the attached fix in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9093 and/or could you have a look at it? Admittedly I also only discovered it yesterday and haven't tried yet but wouldn't dare committing it anyways
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21:07:10wincentI'm there.
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21:28:02webguest2009Hello, this is rkoch70, is this a place to find out how to resolve issues like video not playing in rockbox for Sansa e200 and proper video encoding settings?
21:28:55BigBambiwebguest2009: read www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
21:29:48webguest2009What about finding the files for the games titles that appear to be loaded in the initial install but when you go to play it, it says missing file?
21:30:00webguest2009Big Bambi, thanks, i'll check it out.
21:31:13evilnickwebguest2009: Which games?
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21:33:52webguest2009pretty much all but the doom one. Things like PaxBox, etc don't have the files with them so I don't know why it would be included.
21:34:38evilnickwebguest2009: Reading the manual would probably be a good idea
21:34:57evilnickBut for the pacbox plugin: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox
21:35:05webguest2009I have but it doesn't give me the location to download the files.
21:35:23evilnick"To play Pacman, you'll need a copy of the Pacman ROMs from a Midway Pacman or Puckman arcade board."
21:35:56BigBambiwebguest2009: That's because it is illegal to download them, you need to rip the ROMs from the arcade machine
21:35:58BigBambithat you own
21:36:09*_Auron_ has pacman on his G1, heh
21:36:29webguest2009Thanks all. Have a good day.
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21:58:56talexhi, i'm a potential gSOC student here for my interview
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21:59:31BigBambitalex: excellent
21:59:42BigBambitalex: one mo, I'll PM you
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23:23:25saratogahow do I get svn to spit out the history of a file?
23:23:58dionoeasvn log thefile
23:24:09UbuntuxerI wrote a lib, which display formated texts and fits it to the screensize. I seized a suggestion from JdGordon to add viewport support. Please test it and give me feedback. FS #10099
23:24:20*LambdaCalculus37 was too slow :)
23:24:28dionoea:)
23:27:10saratogaso if i want to look at earlier revisions i actually have to check them out?
23:27:59gevaertssaratoga: svn cat
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23:30:25pixelmayou could also try viewvc
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23:42:18MTlinuxstb : ping
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23:46:02DarkSpectrumi think i've found a bug but i'm not sure if it's intended function or not, Sansa C240 while pluged into USB power and playing a song the virtual led keeps flashing
23:46:05MTlinuxstb : just something that I've been thinking about, I believe the standalone converter can, and should, be finished and mature by 13th of july (midterm evaluation), that leaves the rest of the time for fixed-point conversion and adapting the codec to rockbox
23:48:05MTlinuxstb : I'm really sorry, but the timeline was somewhat blurry in my head when I said that the demuxer (only) should be working by that date, but considering my state back then, I hope it's tolerable. :)
23:48:47MTBigBambi , gevaerts, domonoky : ^^
23:49:48BigBambiMT: Could you add that as a comment?
23:50:12MTBigBambi : Sure. I just hope I'm not too late ?
23:50:28BigBambiNope :)
23:50:52MTThank you. :)
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