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#rockbox log for 2009-04-10

00:00:16 Quit antil33t ()
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00:06:01DarkSpectrumdoes FS #8523 apply to Sansa C series also?
00:07:17LloreanIt's for all targets.
00:07:23DarkSpectrumcool
00:07:33DarkSpectrumty
00:07:34LambdaCalculus37DarkSpectrum: Try it and leave us some feedback.
00:08:03DarkSpectrumwill do, that looks like a must have
00:09:24rasherIt's in SVN now...
00:10:07DarkSpectrumupdating both E&C's now :)
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01:33:50Unhelpfulis "black" on the mrobe100 really as bright a red as the sim produces? i'm adding a missing pictureflow screenshot for it...
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02:00:51webguest64hey
02:01:05webguest64anybody alive?
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02:01:25webguest64hello
02:01:55rasherWell you haven't asked any questions
02:02:23webguest64sorry
02:02:31webguest64i figured no point asking if nobody is there to listen =)
02:02:33webguest64anyway
02:03:01webguest64is there anywhere I can find a comprehensive list of custom config directives?
02:03:14rasherThe manual.
02:03:15evilnick1Config directives?
02:03:21webguest64the wiki page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomConfigFile doesnt list much
02:03:55scorcheactually, there is...you can say something then when someone comes back to the screen, they can see it...we also have logs, so there *is* a point in asking if there is no one to listen, as there may not be anyone to listen just for that moment ;)
02:04:33webguest64ah ok, point taken. um, the manual only exists for supported ports
02:04:36webguest64I'm using a cowon d2
02:04:38webguest64thoug
02:04:49webguest64no difference. hadnt thought of that ;-)
02:05:07rasherWell, you can pick a similar target and most values should be similar
02:05:46webguest64ok, great thanks. obviously as the D2 is still read-only the config file is pretty important ;-)
02:06:37webguest64is there anything specific that might be a good idea to disable with the above in mind?
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02:10:21webguest64i shall take that as a "no" or "no idea" and do some fiddlign of my own =) thanks for the help, and keep up the good work, bye
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02:13:25mikeones_hello
02:14:03evilnick1hey
02:15:07mikeones_I am going to run rockbox on my e280 and a windows box. I can't figure out which directory to put the music files into
02:15:23evilnick1It's up to you
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02:15:44mikeones_I can randomy create them?
02:15:46scorchewhichever directory you want....though the original firmware has a nasty habit of setting the folder called "music" hidden, so something other than that would probably be best
02:15:49evilnick1Although the OF (Original Firmware) will hide the "music" directory everytime it loads
02:16:34evilnick1And it's not advised to store them inside the /.rockbox directory
02:16:38mikeones_so rockbox does not have a defualt directory?
02:16:50scorchewhy would it?
02:17:01evilnick1there's no benefit in that
02:17:04mikeones_hmm, don't know
02:17:07mikeones_ok
02:18:48evilnick1One of the things that I love about Rockbox is that YOU tell IT what to do, not the other way round. It's a nicer approach than the software dictating what hoops the user needs to jump through
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02:28:24*Unhelpful was thinking of committing the objdiff.py script for comparing sizes of individual symbols within object files - would that belong under utils?
02:31:47rasherI'm still not sure what the split is between utils and tools
02:31:52LloreanI *think* it's utils
02:32:18LloreanIIUC, "tools" is for things automatically invoked (used in the build process) while "utils" is for stuff that is only manually invoked?
02:34:37Unhelpfulthe impression i got looking through both was that tools is for things that are part of the build process. there's not a directory in utils that looks appropriate, and i'm not sure whether i ought to place the script directly in utils or make a new subdir... maybe "analysis"?
02:36:37LloreanI'd say make the folder.
02:36:46LloreanIt would help organize future tools.
02:37:04LloreanAnd, worst case, someone says "No, bad Unhelpful!" and either puts it in the right place for you, or at least tells you where it is.
02:37:18Lloreanfuture *utils, I guess
02:39:17Unhelpfulright... i'll add at least *some* error handling before i commit. i suspect you'll just get a traceback if you call it without arguments now...
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03:20:52dreamlayersAny advice on what to do with a simple FLAC fix I backported from ffmpeg (FS #10111)? It's a one line fix, the only change in the function in ffmpeg-0.5, and it fixes the problem. However, I don't understand the code and I don't feel like learning about Golomb coding.
03:23:16saratogadreamlayers: test two or three files, make sure they work, then commit it
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03:25:58saratogafor an upstream bug fix like that I would have just blind committed it under the assumption that ffmpeg knows what its doing
03:26:40Unhelpfulthe rice2 encoding has a flag anyway, which i assume we test for - so it shouldn't affect files that were OK before
03:27:20dreamlayersAllright, I'll test it with a few files and then commit if everything is ok.
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04:43:43BannedInTheUSASo your title claims a topic but doesn't explain it.
04:43:48BannedInTheUSARockbox is some faggot linux shit?
04:43:59BannedInTheUSAOr do you assholes like Metallica?
04:44:56BannedInTheUSAI waited the compulsary 15 seconds before calling you gay.
04:45:02BannedInTheUSAFuck you.
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04:45:21LambdaCalculus37Well... that was... interesting. o_O
04:47:27dreamlayersYeah. I was wondering how to respond, and then I realized not responding may be a good strategy. Responding might just mean feeding a troll. Is there some policy on how to handle stuff like that?
04:48:10Unhelpfuldreamlayers: mute or ban them. you know, when an op happens to catch it before the leave. :)
04:50:17dreamlayersUnhelpful: Who are the ops here?
04:50:36scorchedreamlayers: /cs access #rockbox list
04:51:05dreamlayersUnhelpful: Thanks
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07:21:14dreamlayersWhat is the relationship between the VLC wmafixed codec ( http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc/modules/codec/wmafixed/ ) and the WMA codec in Rockbox?
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08:08:42Ishbaleum hmm
08:08:50Ishbaledidnt know so many people were here
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08:11:24Ishbaleman the browser irc lags
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08:11:33Ishbaleso many people lol
08:11:51scorcheyes...we got that...now please stop saying useless messages...
08:12:15Ishbaleok?
08:12:35vedlithIshbale: -> #rockbox-community
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09:33:57pixelmaI attached an updated patch to the c200 keymap task yesterday if anyone wants to try - would be nice to get some feedback
09:34:06pixelmaFS8824
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09:49:20DZXdoes a full discharge cycle help maintain lithium batteries at all?
09:49:56amiconnNot at all
09:50:05DZXdamn
09:50:33DZXmy battery life is fading and i cant find a replacement
09:51:47scorchefully discharging li-ion batteries is actually harmful to them
09:52:25DZXhow about li-poly ?
09:54:28scorchesame
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10:02:27DZXhmmm wonder if i could find a cell phone battery about the same size and wire it in
10:05:44pixelmawhat player do you have?
10:05:57DZXif i did and it's the same volts, would all i have to do is change player-config.h with the new batterys mAh rating?
10:06:09DZXSansa E280
10:06:31tmztdo they make a battery that size?
10:06:45tmztcell phone battery
10:07:20DZXthere is tons of cells phones, i'm sure one is out there about the same size, and almost all Li-ion batterys are 3.7 volts
10:07:31pixelmaI would think there are replacement batteries available, seeing c200 ones available
10:08:01LloreanThe e200 series was designed to have a user replaceable battery. I bet there's a third party that makes 'em still somewhere.
10:08:07scorcheDZX: how can you not find a replacement battery for that device?...they are all over
10:08:07DZXno credit card here, can only buy from local stores, so i cant get one off the net
10:08:08LloreanI mean I can still find batteries for the iRiver H100 series.
10:09:08scorcheyou dont have any friends/parents with credit cards?....either way, this doesnt seem to be an issue with rockbox or the lack of availability of batteries, so...
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10:57:05Unhelpfulok, i'm starting to look at jpeg... and was thinking that it might actually be useful to use the IJG libjpeg source as a starting point rather than the one we currently use for the plugin. advantage is that v7pre offers [1..16]/8 scaling on decode. the license appears to be compatible, it amounts to a warranty disclaimer + "don't claim you wrote this yourself, say who did in docs somewhere".
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11:29:20amiconnUnhelpful: The current jpeg decoder is mainly designed to be compact. jpeg.rock just fits into the archos plugin buffer. I doubt it would still fit with a more complex decoder...
11:31:09Unhelpfulamiconn: true... i rather doubt we'll be supporting jpeg-in-core on archos at all, though. i'm also not sure how much compactness i could preserve while adapting it to row-at-a-time (of blocks, not pixels, of course) decoding.
11:33:13Unhelpfulif we can spare the space, the reduced decode will also be of better quality and faster than decode-and-scale
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12:45:05bluebrothershould we try to keep rbutil away from using C99 features or simply go with that?
12:45:24bluebrothernot using C99 would make some stuff more complicated
12:45:38gevaertsC99? Isn't it C++?
12:45:52bluebrotheryes, but some parts rely on C features :)
12:46:25gevaertsIn .c files? If not, it's still the C++ spec that applies
12:46:40bluebrotherin cpp files.
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12:47:34gevaertsI suspect that most c99 features are in recentish versions of c++ as well, so I'd just make sure that all commonly used compilers can handle it
12:48:01bluebrotheras in http://pastebin.ca/1387895 −− can I initialize the array c99 style and use the first item (as its an enum) as index?
12:48:56bluebrothermaybe I should check with Visual Studio though building with vs isn't possible right now anyway (again due to c99 feature −− used in c files this time)
12:49:21gevaertsa quick test program should be enough for that
12:49:25bluebrotheryep
12:50:11gevaertsbut I really don't think C spec revisions are very interesting for non-C files, and many of the "modern" C features originated in C++ anyway
12:50:50bluebrothergood point.
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13:26:50amiconnUnhelpful: Our jpeg decoder also supports downscaled decoding (1/2, 1/4 and 1/8)
13:27:59amiconnI know that [IDC]Dragon has been in contact with the guy who makes custom scaling idct routines, but I don
13:28:14amiconn't know whether he still has some of these
13:28:54amiconnOne idea was to have idct routines that scale to 10x8 resp. 5x4 on the archoses, to account for pixel aspect at decode time
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13:29:23amiconnThe problem with this approach is that it cannot go lower - 2.5x2 is simply impossible...
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13:46:54bluebrothergrmbl. Seems there is a feature in C that isn't supported in C++ at all :(
13:47:18bluebrotherplus, msvc doesn't understand it regardless if its compiled as c or cpp code
13:48:24gevaertsThe "support readable code" feature? ;P
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14:16:16robin0800Can you use conditional viewports the same as pictures i.e. preload and then display on a tag or does the tag have to be conditionl?
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14:20:57*LambdaCalculus37 wants to know what people think of FS #10108
14:21:05LambdaCalculus37Any objections? Questions? Thoughts? Ideas?
14:21:27*LambdaCalculus37 wants to commit it.. it works wonders for OS X users (and maybe others!)
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14:23:40*gevaerts decides to test it
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14:24:40LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: See if it breaks the building of the dev environment in Linux.
14:24:47amiconnThere's a dependency problem which hits only on some targets, and I can't find out why...
14:24:57LambdaCalculus37amiconn: Which targets?
14:25:23amiconnI tried to rebuild with only gwps.c changed vs. the previous build
14:25:49amiconnFor 1g2g, beast, c200 and color it works. For my other 10 builds the core isn't rebuilt
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14:37:09LambdaCalculus37gevaerts: Tell me your results and I'll check them out later. Going to go eat breakfast.
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14:40:22*pixelma would like to ask for testers of FS #8824 (c200 keymap) once more
14:42:22robin0800any one know if this should work ?%Vl|b|1|1|78|78|1|FFFFFF|FFFFFF|
14:42:22robin0800%Vdb
14:44:13pixelmafrom the CustomWPS wiki: "The conditional viewport display tag must come before the preload tag." - also your viewport has white as fore- and background colour
14:46:59robin0800pixelma thats it many thanks
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14:51:24YoYo-PeteHey there... long time listener.. first time caller.. Can anyone recommend a good program to manage my MP3's ID tags to work with Rockbox?
14:51:40YoYo-PeteI see a bunch on the wiki but could use a recomendation on what's good.
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15:01:31*amiconn found the problem
15:01:46amiconnIt's an svn problem, not a problem of the build system itself
15:02:27amiconn'svn up' sets the timestamp of a changed file to the time of the change, not to the time 'svn up' runs
15:03:25amiconnSo if you did a build after a change was committed, then 'svn up' and rebuild later, the change in question won't be included in the new build. ArrrrghH!!1
15:03:56gevaertsweird. It doesn't do that here
15:04:01bluebrotherthat's something you can adjust at least with TortoiseSVN
15:04:14amiconnI'm using plain commandline svn in cygwin
15:04:28*amiconn prefers to stay away from tortoise*
15:04:29bluebrotherno idea if there's an option in the command line client
15:05:19*amiconn thinks this might be the reason for a whole number of strange "full rebuild fixes things" reports
15:05:38gevaertsThere's a setting called "use-commit-times"
15:07:39gevaertshttp://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2008-09/0568.shtml may help
15:07:46amiconnHmm. For some reason this option is enabled here?!
15:08:09bluebrotherthats also in my ~/.subversion/config file (though commented out)
15:08:30amiconnHere it's not...
15:08:37amiconn(commented out, that is)
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15:20:22crculverCould one of the developers please make it so that Ogg Speex files are not inserted into .scrobbler.log?
15:20:36crculverI have audio books being submitted to Last.fm :-(
15:23:59bluebrotherand why that? Scrobbling only specific file types is broken by design
15:24:12bluebrotheranother user might want to have speex files scrobbled
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15:29:40crculverbluebrother, Last.fm is meant for music.
15:29:54bluebrothercrculver: and Rockbox is meant for playing audio files.
15:30:12bluebrotherso what's the difference? Load a cfg file that disables scrobbling first.
15:30:13crculverbluebrother, Exactly, but Rockbox scrobbling is meant for submitting to Last.fm
15:30:38crculverWhy mark something for submission to last.fm if last.fm doesn't want it?
15:31:01bluebrotherwhy doesn't last.fm don't want it? _You_ don't want it to get submitted.
15:31:28bluebrotherplus, if you want to have some files marked then marking it should happen by tags, not by file extension as that is simply broken by design.
15:32:11crculverbluebrother, Last.fm's API specifies music files.
15:32:23bluebrotherand what guarantees you that speex files can't be music?
15:32:49crculverBecause the Speex documentation specifies that it is meant for speaking voices.
15:33:11bluebrotherit is _meant_ doesn't mean it can't (and won't) be used for something different.
15:33:42bluebrotherusers tend to abuse almost everything ...
15:33:54crculverDo you want to encourage such abuse?
15:34:17crculverbluebrother, I didn't say file extensions should be used (because Speex can be either .spx or .ogg and the last is generally music), but rather the codec employed.
15:34:41bluebrotherI don't encourage abuse. I just refuse to accept that we should try to be more intelligent than the user
15:35:03bluebrothersomething that microsoft frequently tries and annoys people over and over
15:35:48crculverI'd say pretty much everyone who submits info to last.fm off a player with Rockbox wants Speex filtered out. So far, they have to to do that filtering themselves in their individual submission scripts.
15:35:56crculverThat's needless duplication of labour if Rockbox could do it.
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15:36:29bluebrotherwell, then suggest a new tag in speex files that gets recognized by Rockbox and prevents scrobbling
15:36:41bluebrotheralso, how do other players handle this?
15:37:18bluebrotherThey would need to duplicate the filtering too. Unless there is some standard (or quasi-standard) way. Tags sound like an optimal solution for this to me
15:37:23crculverbluebrother, Speex files often to use AUTHOR instead of ARTIST in the vorbis tags, can you have that filtered out?
15:38:21crculverbluebrother, There is no standard way for filtering. People develop their own submission scripts which put the content of a .scrobbler.log onto Last.fm
15:38:53bluebrotherwell, then it might be a good idea to think about some generic way and try to make other players use that too :)
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15:42:55gevaertsm4a is also fairly common for audiobooks I believe. Should we filter those out too?
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15:45:28evilnick_7As is lowrate mp3, and we certainly shouldn't be filtering those. On a more helpful note, would the addition of scrobbler.ignore files (as with database.ignore) be a way of dealing with this issue? Then all the audiobooks could be ignored but music files would still be logged.
15:47:26fuzzieDoes last.fm's API really specify music files? They just seem to suggest that most people might not want to scrobble them.
15:47:44oboFiltering on genre tags may be the easiest way to go...
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15:48:37evilnick_7obo: From within Rockbox or on the submitting side?
15:49:18oboWell the logging API doesn't mention any music only restrictions
15:49:24bluebrotherI thought about a scrobbler.ignore file too.
15:49:36oboevilnick_7: it would have to be within Rockbox - that information isn't stored in the log files
15:50:11*obo points to http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging
15:50:33evilnick_7obo: Duh, of course. I should have remembered that.
15:51:33bluebrotherwith the speex is not meant for scrobbling reasoning we would need to filter sid and similar formats as well
15:52:18*evilnick_7 didn't realise that sid and other console/computer music formats had enough information to be submitted
15:52:34obohow much meta info do SID files have? If they don't have artist, track name and length info, they won't be logged now
15:54:15bluebrotherno idea, I rarely use them
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15:55:51bluebrotherthe asap file I just checked has artist, title and length according to the metadata screen
15:56:33evilnick_7Also, IIRC some of those formats loop, so that might be another challenge in terms of logging how many times they'd been listened to
15:57:26bluebrotheryep. But my main point simply was that there are other formats that might be considered filter-worthy based on the decoder approach
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16:04:30*evilnick_7 thinks that an .ignore file would be the most flexible solution. Fewer options, not having to retag files, some formats don't have the genre tag etc.
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17:37:54kugelFlynDice: uhm, did you double check the removed delay?
17:38:11kugelI removed it for the fuze a while ago, but needed to re-insert it, because problems when boosted
17:39:18kugelthe problems without the delay were most noticeable within pictureflow (heavy backlight weirdness because of regular hold button miss-detection)
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17:50:32saratogakugel: are the e200v2 and Fuze drivers any different, aside from one being rotated?
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17:54:21kugelnot really. they share a lot
17:54:35kugelbut some registers seem to be different
17:54:53saratogaok was curious about that
17:55:02saratogaalso, we never found a way to do interrupts on the wheels?
17:55:18kugelnot yet
17:55:46saratogait works surprisingly well i guess
17:56:13kugeland I don't think there is one. The wheel isn't much better in the of. And the wheel acceleration seems to be a very similar algorithm
17:56:45kugelsaratoga: do you have an idea why funman's mp3/iram patch doesn't work for me?
17:56:58saratogaso weird that given 32 interrupt capable and 2[?} non interrupt capable pins they put the wheel on the 2 non capable ones
17:57:02saratogaor maybe it was 4
17:57:23saratogakugel: depencies can be a problem for stuff like this, did you try rm -rf * and then rerunning configure?
17:57:57kugelI should try a clean checkout I guess
17:58:08saratogaI had to do that to get it to work for me without erroring out during compile
17:58:25kugelwell it compiled fine for me
17:58:38kugelbut I've had the same issues which I had when I tried to activate the iram
17:58:43saratogacould be some weirdness with my PC then
17:58:52saratogai can send you a binary if you'd like to try that
17:59:14kugelyea
17:59:40saratogaok i'll post a link as soon as I'm at a unix machine
17:59:54saratogaalso, maybe we should commit funman's patches?
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18:00:16kugelwell, it seems to work for everyone (except me), so why not
18:00:19saratogaanyway got to run
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18:02:51saratogakugel: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/rockbox.zip
18:02:56saratogasome random patches but it works for me
18:03:26kugelsaratoga: thanks
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18:07:03kugelsaratoga: that one works for me
18:07:14kugel\o/ mp3 on my fuze
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18:34:56bluebrotherurgh, this version resource thing of windows is really weird
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18:46:50kugelsaratoga: so, I'm going to commit his patches. I have changed the iram to 0x20000/0x30000 instead of 0x10000/0x40000 (core/codecs)
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18:47:15kugelI know that 0x10000 won't be enough to hold the lcd framebuffer and drivers. Is that ok with you?
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18:58:32MTlinuxstb : I restarted cook codec extraction .. here's the output so far : http://pastebin.com/m2efdc71d , this a list of all the external functions or macros in cook.c each under their header file .. ( I just did the .h today, will do the .c's later) I might have missed something ofcourse, but I will fix those during compilation
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19:02:28MTlinuxstb : I ignored anything inside common.h because it doesn't have a deep include hierarchy, it only includes mem.h which is also used in cook.c (that's why there's only 1 function under common.h :)
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19:03:18linuxstbMT: That looks a nice way to proceed.
19:04:48saratogakugel: sure i haven't followed it that closely
19:06:15saratogaMT: the stuff in bitstream.h and dsputil.h is already ported for the wma codec
19:06:58MTlinuxstb : I was also asking some questions on ffmpeg-devel, they asked me to detail the extraction process after I'm done .. they want to add a "de-FFmpeg how-to " to their wiki
19:07:28MTsaratoga : great, I'll use them then, thank you :)
19:07:59saratogadreamlayers: you asked about the vlc wmafixed codec
19:08:13saratogaits based on a fairly old version of ours
19:09:23dreamlayerssaratoga: yeah. I was wondering if the vlc wmafixed codec was newer and if it fixed any of the WMA bugs in the tracker. I also saw the Rockbox comments in it however.
19:10:47dreamlayersIt was pretty easy to get it to compile as a part of Rockbox, but it was even worse than the current WMA codec.
19:11:10saratogayeah judging by the old FFT they use, its at least from last summer, probably much earlier
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19:11:59saratogaby the way, i think most of the remaining problems in our wma codec are the asf parser
19:12:00dreamlayers(I mean even worse on the files which cause problems with the current Rockbox WMA codec.)
19:12:18saratogait seems to only support certain asf flavors correctly
19:13:08kugelgevaerts: what does it need to reboot on usb insert (for ams sansas)?
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19:18:26gevaertskugel: what do you mean reboot? You need to write a USB driver! ;P
19:18:53kugelgevaerts: reboot, like PP did not too long ago
19:19:31BigBambidon't tell him, make him do USB! :P
19:19:57gevaertsBigBambi: that's what I'm trying to do :)
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19:21:47gevaertskugel: actually, since jhMikeS reworked the connect logic I'm not too sure myself...
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19:32:28gevaertskugel: the usb code calls usb_detect() regularly. That should return either USB_INSERTED or USB_EXTRACTED (usually it uses a gpio pin). From what I can see that's it for non-USE_ROCKBOX_USB targets
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19:37:50kugelgevaerts: so hacking in sys_reboot somewhere should do it?
19:38:47gevaertskugel: usb.c calls system_reboot() for the cases that have HAVE_USBSTACK and not USE_ROCKBOX_USB
19:39:22kugelah, we don't define usb stack
19:41:19hittudivkugel.. i saw a thread of "Kugel's build" in the forum... can i have a link please?
19:42:31kugelwhat?
19:42:32bertrikoh is there still "kugel's build", I thought he had been assimilated ... :P
19:43:29kugelbertrik, hittudiv: only the thread is there. There's no "kugel's build" anymore (the thread explains that too)
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19:45:20hittudivjust wanted to have a look of your personal box :)
19:46:11kugelgevaerts: so, is defining #HAVE_USB_STACK useful for anything but reboot?
19:46:31*kugel moves the # a bit
19:46:36gevaertskugel: not as long as you don't have a driver :)
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19:47:20Arezhello everyone
19:47:38bertrikhello Arez
19:48:37Arezi just wanted to tell the guys working on the sansa e200 v2 that i could do some testing for them... got a 8 gig device and i read on the forum that some testing was needed (some time ago)
19:48:44kugelgevaerts: we have a driver, but that one is limited to report usb attached right now :(
19:49:29FlynDicekugel: re button delay removal : All I can say is I've had no problems on my e200v2 with the button delays removed. Once the workaround was figured out I thought they were not required.
19:50:26Arezi can do any testing if you give me instructions... ofc i dont want to breake my player because i dont have any other
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19:50:58oboBigBambi: ping - I guess it's that time
19:51:08kugelFlynDice: fine then. It's just that I thought it was not needed to, but was proved wrong later on the fuze
19:52:39*kugel WOW's at funman
19:53:16BigBambiobo, yep - one mo
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20:05:12kugelsaratoga: I'm playing with test_fps and lcd driver in iram now, let's see how that turns out
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20:10:48kugelsaratoga: it's indeed a bit faster
20:10:56kugelparticularly when boosted
20:11:05saratogathis is without cache?
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21:32:44kugelFlynDice: ping
21:33:05FlynDicekugel: pong...
21:33:53kugelFlynDice: I'm trying the mmu patch. does funman's latest one work?
21:35:32FlynDiceI haven't tried his for a couple of days but I think with all the commits lately it probably will not.
21:36:00FlynDiceI can't get any of them past a white lcd screen right now
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21:36:20FlynDicewith caching enabled that is
21:36:41kugelI'm more interested in mapping the dram and iram together at this time
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21:41:02FlynDicekugel: If I get something working I'll let you know right away
21:43:12kugelFlynDice: I'm trying his patch, and it's incredibly slow :/
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21:45:06FlynDicekugel: How can we control the placement of the lcd_framebuffer? The other arms seem to group the framebuffer and TTB_BASE areas together at the end of DRAM. How do I do that?
21:45:22kugelwe won't do that
21:45:30kugelwe can put the frame buffer into iram
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21:45:46FlynDiceok is that with the .lds script?
21:45:59kugelno, config-<target>.h
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21:47:04FlynDiceif it's in iram then perhaps I should try iram buffered not cached
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21:51:10kugelFlynDice: I don't know whether it's in iram as of now
21:51:21kugellook for the FRAMEBUFFER_IN_RAM #define
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21:53:19FlynDiceI don't think it is, thought maybe from what you said I wasn't understanding things correctly.... an all too common occurrance these days...
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21:58:41kugelFlynDice: you're doing great. Not understanding things sometimes is totally normal.
21:59:32kugelI meant, we can put the lcd framebuffer into iram just by "#define IRAM_LCDFRAMEBUFFER IDATA_ATTR" in the config-<target>.h files
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22:02:33FlynDiceyes I just looked at that. I've got latest svn with last non-funman mmu patch that I'm hacking on. The simple invalidate_dcache will not work as readily as it did before to make things work now
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22:03:13Arezhi there!
22:03:36Arezany e200 v2 dev around? i want to help you guys
22:03:37kugelFlynDice: I don't understand
22:03:48bertrikkugel, I experimented a bit with the MMU a few weeks ago, but found it very tricky to map the RAM regions around
22:04:30kugelfunman apparently managed to do it
22:04:39bertrikthe MMU functions ended up in the RAM that was supposed to be moved, I'm not really a linker script, startup code guru
22:05:52kugelfunman's patch is working so far with dram at 0x0 and iram at 0x10000000
22:07:24HillshumArez: this is the e200v2 work. If you can understand it and help, great, if not, keep up to date.
22:08:13*kugel tries -mno-long-calls
22:08:57Arezi have a e200 v2 8gig model with radio (europe) and just wanted to know if i could help you with testing because i read some time ago that there were some problems with >1gig
22:09:48HillshumThat's been fixed
22:10:16Arezgreat :D
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22:10:52HillshumIf you want to help test you'll need to compile yourself. see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
22:11:35kugelwow
22:11:44kugel50k binsize saving without long-calls
22:11:51bertrikbut does it run ... :P
22:12:04Areziam not a programmer... i understand most of the things you say/do on the forums and i got the basics of your job... if i can contribute something useful i would be glad
22:12:08kugellet's see
22:12:40Arezi thought my player could be useful for testing some code.. i could do that if you give me instructions
22:13:05Arezif its not needed atm, its okay, too
22:13:30kugelArez: sadly, you can't really help by just testing code right now
22:14:26Arezits okay :)
22:14:41Arezjust wanted to offer some help
22:15:29Arezi will just keep checking the forum 5 times a day and celebrating every step forward like christmas ;)
22:16:08Arezyou do some awesome work.. i really adore what you do -thumbs up-
22:16:10HillshumIf you can get a build environment set up you might be able to test code on occasion. That is not easy though
22:16:56bertrikso kugel, what's the result?
22:17:11Arezhow are the chances that i brick my player?
22:17:25kugelbertrik: works
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22:17:42bertrik\o/
22:17:50Hillshumzero, but unbricking requires disassembly of it
22:18:35bertrikas far as I know, the only 'victims' so far have been sansa clips
22:18:41Arezi could do that i think
22:18:50Arezpoor clips... rip
22:18:56kugelor, maybe it doesnt work
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22:19:16HillshumArez: What OS are you on?
22:19:37gevaertsAlso two fuzes, but that was due to other factors :)
22:19:38Arezrunning on vista/ xp but iam not afraid of linux
22:20:04Arezonly have vista because of the games
22:20:28HillshumDo you have a Linux setup? (VMs count too)
22:21:06Arezgot around 6 linux cds here but none is set up... i could do it easily
22:21:11Arezguess i need it for compiling
22:21:37HillshumYou can use Virualbox/VMware or Cygwin if you want
22:22:03HillshumCygwin is like wine for linux, Virtualbox and VMware run linux inside windows
22:22:26ender`cygwin isn't really like wine - more like winelib
22:22:30Arezi already tried virtualbox several times
22:22:39Arezbut never heard of cygwin
22:22:50Arezwhat is more reliable?
22:22:52ender`beware: cygwin is slow
22:22:56Hillshumyes
22:23:24ender`vmware server 1.0.8 (not 2.0)
22:23:31HillshumCygwin, and a little more convenient
22:24:50BigBambiI much prefer vmware for compiling on windows over cygwin
22:25:26Arezi will flip a coin... everyone says something different ;P
22:25:54ArezVM!
22:26:07Arezgotta search my cd - brb
22:26:31HillshumArez: If you have the .iso on HDD you don't need the CD
22:26:38ender`for compiling gimp for windows i went from msys (stripped-down cygwin) -> interix -> colinux -> vmware -> physical linux machine
22:26:52ender`i also compiled rockbox on interix for a while
22:26:58Arezoh a live system works, too ?
22:27:16ender`of course
22:27:16Hillshumyes but a pain to use
22:27:38Hillshumbecause all setup is lost on reboot
22:27:44ender`?
22:27:54Arez:( i think i lost my favourite distro cd
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22:28:14gevaertsArez: he means that if you downloaded the iso and then burnt it to a CD, the downloaded iso works just as well
22:28:17ender`so? download it again
22:28:31Arezi had it already on cd
22:28:34Arezahh
22:28:36Areznvm here it is
22:29:05Arezgonna install it on a vm now
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22:29:14Hillshumender`: all setup of the compilers is lost when reboot
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22:29:25ender`eh?
22:29:29ender`why?
22:29:40Arezits all in ram
22:29:44Hillshumon a liveCD
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22:30:56ender`oh. live machine != livecd for me
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22:33:15krazykitArez, ender` Hillshum please try to stay on topic
22:33:28Arezsorry
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22:44:58Arezwhere can i get some more info about the recovery mode on e200 v2 ?
22:45:05kugelbertrik: I'm uploading the patch
22:45:32Hillshumone of the pages on the RB wiki has
22:45:34Hillshumit
22:45:42Arezty
22:48:50Arezdo i need any packages for compiling that are not in a standard linux distro?
22:50:08BigBambiyes
22:50:34Arezwich?
22:50:43Hillshumsubverson
22:50:50Hillshum*subversion
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22:51:03Hillshumand build-essential
22:51:18BigBambiwhen you have the standard system gcc etc. (build-essential in ubuntu) and subversion, run rockboxdev.sh in the tools folder of the Rockbox source to build the cross sompilers
22:51:30BigBambiHillshum: build-essential on ubuntu
22:52:46Arezquite a challenge for someone who has never compiled anything :D i will give it a try
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22:53:17HillshumArez: did you find all the docs on the wiki?
22:53:24BigBambiArez: What distro are you using?
22:53:34Arezmint
22:53:54Arezfound recovery and compiling.. somehow the structure of the wiki confuses me
22:54:14BigBambiThat is based on Ubuntu IIRC, so "sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion"
22:54:30Hillshumyes it's on ubuntu
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22:55:39HillshumArez, you'll want this right now http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
22:55:44BigBambithen to check out the Rockbox source "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"
22:57:08Arezsome packages couldnt be downloaded
22:57:23Hillshumwhat ones?
22:57:54Hillshumput the output of apt-get at rockbox.pastebin.com
22:58:18Arezdamn... vm and host system wont share clipboard
22:58:20Arezsec
22:58:33Arezwill get on irc on linux
22:58:35Hillshuminstall the guest additons
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23:00:59arez-linuxthis tiny screen drives me crazy
23:01:28arez-linuxcant change the res on the vm :(
23:01:58Hillshuminstall the guest additions
23:02:26arez-linuxmy terminal output is german...http://pastie.org/443227
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23:05:30HillshumWho speaks German?
23:05:40Hillshumand can read that paste?
23:05:44arez-linuxgimme a second
23:05:48arez-linuxi think i got it
23:06:04rasherarez-linux: run apt-get update
23:06:33HillshumThe guest additions will let you share clipboard, and change resolution
23:06:45arez-linuxi just installed build-essentials via synaptic and there were no errors
23:07:03Hillshumdo you have svn?
23:07:06rashersynaptic probably updates the package list (what apt-get update does)
23:07:19Hillshumit does
23:08:07arez-linuxgonna get svn after changing the resolution.. this makes me aggressive >.<
23:09:14arez-linuxi installed the guest addon but i still cant change the res (never done this on vm before,sry)
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23:09:50Hillshumresize the window
23:10:04Hillshumlike any other window on xp
23:10:10arez-linuxlol
23:10:25arez-linuxnow i got a tony linux field in the middle of a big grey window
23:10:28arez-linuxtiny*
23:11:42HillshumArez-linux: can I PM you? (this is getting-off topic)
23:11:52arez-linuxsure
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23:23:04HillshumArez-linux "sudo apt-get install subversion"
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23:24:17arez-linuxgives me an error saying something that a dir cannot be locked
23:24:34Hillshumare you running synaptic?
23:24:51arez-linuxno, i know that it also uses apt
23:25:19arez-linuxi will install it via synaptic
23:25:21kugelhe means if you still have synaptic open. You can only use 1 apt-related tool at a time
23:25:34arez-linuxit was closed
23:25:40arez-linuxbut synaptic gives me an error,too
23:25:50arez-linuxsome packages could not be downoaded
23:26:05arez-linuxhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.3/libpq5_8.3.5-0ubuntu8.10_i386.deb
23:26:07arez-linuxthat one
23:26:14arez-linuxgives 404
23:26:27Hillshummake sure to update it
23:26:35Hillshumsynaptic that is
23:27:25BigBambiArez: there is something odd going on with the repos - I had that earlier - you might just have to wait and try again in a bit
23:27:32arez-linuxgot it
23:27:46arez-linuxiam not used to linux anymore, sry :/
23:28:09arez-linuxwhats next?
23:28:12Hillshumnow get the rockbox source code "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox"
23:28:42arez-linuxthats quite alot
23:28:54Hillshumit's a couple hundred MBs
23:28:57arez-linuxwonder where it will be saved O.o
23:29:24arez-linuxnvm
23:29:30Hillshumwhere did you run the command from?
23:29:51arez-linuxforgot that linux stores things like that in my home folder
23:30:02arez-linuxokay, got everything
23:30:28Hillshumcd to the rockbox/tools dir
23:30:33arez-linux118.4 mb
23:30:43arez-linuxok
23:30:51arez-linuxconfigure, make ?
23:30:53gevaertsisn't all this nicely described on the wiki?
23:30:57arez-linuxyeah
23:31:03arez-linuxsry
23:31:03Hillshumgevaerts, yes
23:31:12arez-linuxi just wanted to get to this point now i can follow the wiki
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23:31:55Hillshumand no, configure, make won't work
23:34:25arez-linuxwhat target arch should i select ?
23:34:33Hillshumarm
23:34:57arez-linuxoh man...its even written there... sorry
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23:36:20arez-lis there any developer from germany ?
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23:38:36BigBambiyes, why?
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23:39:26arez-liam from germany, too :)
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23:40:22arez-lmight be helpful if i have some trouble compiling or getting german error messages
23:41:11arez-lwhy is there a extra compiler for rockbox? i mean couldnt a standard linux compiler do the job aswell?
23:41:29BigBambi no
23:41:49BigBambithey are different architectures
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23:42:01BigBambiYour PC will be x86 of some variety
23:42:13BigBambiRockbox players are things like ARM and Coldfire
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23:42:56arez-lso the standard compilers doesnt understand arm commands ?
23:43:37BigBambithey are for a completely different architecture
23:43:46HillshumRockbox is written in C, which is arch agnostic, but different compilers output differently
23:44:07BigBambiIt is like trying to write instructions for someone in German when they speak French
23:44:46arez-lnow i got it :)
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23:48:55arez-ldo i have to mess around with your code if i want to compile a build and add some patches ?
23:49:13BigBambiDepends
23:49:32BigBambicompile no, you may have to if the patch is old and needs updating
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23:49:51BigBambiIf the patch is up to date, then no
23:50:18arez-lgreat :)
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23:51:16arez-lso if i want to help you and test some code on my player, i just have to add the files to the source and compile it then, right?
23:52:06Hillshumand put it one player
23:52:12Hillshum*on
23:52:44HillshumYou can also mess with the games and whatnot, as the work pretty well once compiled
23:53:52arez-lso basicially i will have a folder with the source and then i will throw in all the patches you do and thest them
23:54:24Hillshumyes. Did you see the wiki page on patches?
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23:54:50arez-lno, i will take a look at it
23:56:38arez-lthis link http://www.fsf.org/software/patch/patch.html on the wiki is broken
23:56:54Hillshumtry google
23:56:56arez-loutdated
23:57:01arez-lyeah got it already
23:57:08arez-ljust wanted you to know
23:57:37HillshumYou can fix it if you want
23:58:50arez-li tried but i cant

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