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#rockbox log for 2009-04-15

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00:04:40kugelcaption backlight is weird
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00:04:58kugelwhat if I have set backlight timeout to 2 min?
00:05:11kugelthat'll give me 4 min of backlight on
00:05:39Bagderand 2 minutes backlight timeout is not odd in itself?
00:05:47kugelnot for me
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00:06:24Bagderto me it means you want it on for very extended periods, so why not for caption backlight as well?
00:06:27kugelI have set it to 2 min, and use hold to turn it off manually
00:06:50*kugel would set it to always on, but fears to forget to hold
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00:07:42kugelBagder: well, it should backlight on on track transition. 4 min is a very loose definition of track transition :)
00:08:08*kugel would just set it to 5 seconds always, or max it to 15 seconds
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00:08:50Bagderwell, if you need 2 minutes timeout to read the screen in usual situations, then maybe you'll need 4 minutes to really read the screen at the song change? :-)
00:09:04*Bagder really cares very little about caption backlight...
00:09:09*kugel too
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00:15:04Bagderkugel: I think you should try to give a slightly more verbose commit message
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00:15:25Bagderlike when you read this in three months you want to understand why you changed this
00:15:43kugelyea, should've said what broke it
00:15:56Bagderright, or what specificly that made it work again
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00:17:51stripwaxapps/codecs/libtremor/asm_mcf5249.h - the alignment check should be (int)x&15 not (int)x&16 , right?
00:18:05kugelsorry, I'm trying to explain commits better, but I'm a bit tired today, so I missed it a bit
00:18:48Bagderno worries, I just wanted to mention it
00:19:04kugelyou're not the first one
00:19:53amiconnkugel: Btw, I know what causes the 4->8 hex digit effect for ams dbop debug
00:20:09kugelwhat?
00:20:45amiconn%x expects an unsigned int, but button_dbop_data() returns a (signed) short
00:20:57amiconnSo this short is sign-extended
00:21:07kugeloh
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00:21:41amiconnIt's usually a good idea to use unsigned ints for all sorts of register stuff
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00:22:39kugelyea, it wouldn't hurt too
00:22:41amiconnUnsigned because it avoids nasty surprises wrt sign extension, and int because it is the "natural" format of the CPU
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00:22:59kugelthe bus is only 16 bits though
00:23:02saratoga_work22stripwax: that does look odd
00:23:07amiconnThis usually avoids extraneous shifts and maskings.
00:23:28amiconnYes. The actual register must of course be 16 bit
00:23:45kugelI picked short not because it's smaller
00:23:52stripwaxsaratoga_work22 - indeed. wondering if that (plus/minus maybe me putting the vorbis_apply_window into ICODE) could be causing the iriver slowness in fs#9882
00:24:01amiconn...but the variable to handle it can still be an int. It costs 2 bytes of ram more - and usually saves much more than that
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00:24:52kugelwell, the function in the debug directly returns the variable that's the register content is saved to
00:25:37amiconnThere are situations where you want to use short (unsigned short, char etc), e.g. if there's a whole array of values (saving space) or if you want/need to rely on the masking
00:25:47n1sstripwax: also some of those asm functions uses %16 to check for alignment (!)
00:25:51Bagderstrange build problem #2 on godeater's box
00:25:54amiconnYes, and that variable could very well be an unsigned int
00:26:07stripwaxn1s right. gcc might be smart about that, though, right?
00:26:13kugelthat one is masked for buttons in other functions
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00:26:18n1sthe keyword is "might" :)
00:26:31stripwax:)
00:26:52saratoga_workstripwax: you don't have SVN access right?
00:27:03stripwaxstill no :(
00:27:07amiconnkugel: If you don't want to do that, you either need to use an unsigned short at least, or double-cast in the debug function
00:27:38kugelunsigned short will do it
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00:27:53Bagderthere, I think I fixed the problem on godeater.dyndns.org now
00:27:55n1ssaratoga_work, stripwax : if you go change that file, note that it's duplicated in apps/codecs/lib too
00:28:04kugelbut I rather not take special care of the other 16bits when reading the buttons off it or the like
00:28:11*stripwax sighs
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00:28:42n1s... that should probably be cleaned up
00:29:15amiconnstripwax: You're right about that alignment check...
00:29:34stripwaxsaratoga_work - mm, good news, that *looks* like it shaves 2MHz off of stock svn (for 128kbps vorbis according to test_codec) .. as opposed to adding it ..
00:29:53stripwaxI'll wait for test_codec to complete, post my findings and updated patch, and see how that rolls for others watching that task...
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00:31:44amiconnstripwax: Btw, vector_copy could just use a memcpy() call. That's more optimised for sure...
00:32:15stripwaxamiconn - apparently not. or, at least, I tried that, and measured performance got worse
00:32:16amiconnWell, actually ci->memcpy, but there is a wrapper iirc
00:32:25amiconnThat's odd...
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00:32:43amiconnHow long are the typical vectors?
00:32:46stripwaxmemcpy seems to be faster for arm; vect_copy seems to be faster for coldfire
00:33:47stripwaxI think they are usually between 128x4 bytes and 1024x4 bytes
00:34:12saratoga_worki think its 128 words or 1024 words for all known vorbis encoders
00:34:15kugelamiconn: I'm aware that int is generally better, but in this situation I rather stick to short. Thanks for the explaination
00:34:25stripwaxexcept very low bitrates
00:34:40saratoga_workah didn't know about that
00:34:45stripwaxsaratoga_work - hm, actually, no that didn't seem to make much difference
00:34:56stripwax(on h120 test_codec timings)
00:34:58saratoga_worklow sampling rates might make sense
00:35:04Bagderhm, the svn server doesn't respond
00:35:13saratoga_workif you half the sample rate using shorter blocks so that the duration is constant is common
00:35:34amiconnHmm, that's already quite long. I would expect memcpy to be faster there (on cf)...
00:36:27amiconnEspecially since vect_copy has the same alignment check bug as vect_add
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00:36:58stripwaxamiconn - trying right now
00:38:48n1samiconn: does the 16 byte alignment make any difference for coldfire?
00:38:57amiconnyes
00:39:37n1scould memcpy then perhaps miss this opportunity?
00:39:41amiconnIt does if movem is used with at least 4 registers (which is the case here). 16 byte alignment causes it to use line bursts
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00:40:17amiconnIt certainly doesn't. memcpy even strives to make use of 16 byte alignment for both source and destination, for any possible offset
00:40:28*amiconn wrote our cf memcpy....
00:41:00stripwaxWith the (other) code changes that I'm testing, I'm actually calling memcpy (or vect_copy..) less often than we do in svn - or at least that's the hope - which maybe explains why I get no discernable benefit using memcpy vs vect_copy ?
00:41:14amiconnActually there is a situation where 16 byte alignment doesn't matter, and a simpler loop is faster: if both source and destination are in iram
00:41:16n1sthen maybe it's some icache effect, vect copy is inlined and certainly much smaller than memcpy
00:41:35amiconnmemcpy is in iram....
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00:41:51n1sah, and i suppose those buffers are in iram
00:41:55amiconn(but not inlined, that's true)
00:42:24amiconnBut if the buffer is in iram, the 16 byte aligment thing is unnecessary
00:43:44amiconnstripwax: You could test with the 16 byte alignment thingies before the loops removed
00:45:41*amiconn should really do something about this memcpy/memove monster on cf...
00:46:20stripwaxsure, I could do. I just tried replacing the body of vect_copy with a call to memcpy for no discernable improvement in test_codec
00:47:16stripwax[again that's improvement vs the patch in fs#9882, not necessarily no discernable benefit vs svn]
00:48:23stripwaxIs there any way to pass information from the codec to the debug_menu screen? e.g. stats, memory allocation, or anything else I may want to show in realtime status?
00:48:40stripwax(thinking that only viable alternative to debugging this is logf-over-serial)
00:49:16saratoga_workif you run on sim you can just print it out
00:49:29stripwaxmm, but I want target data
00:49:54stripwaxunless there's a way to make sim think it has 128K iram for ipod-video sim builds?
00:51:15saratoga_workno and the IRAM defines don't do anything on sim anyway
00:51:27saratoga_workbut if you just want to count bytes, that should be more or less the same, excepting code sizes
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00:55:46stripwaxwas actually thinking of running the test codec files thru sim on a variety of target iram size assumptions. but knowing that sim ignores iram defines means I can just tweak the static memory allocation that the sim uses to pretend to be a given target, which should work just as well
00:56:56stripwaxit's far too late for me to try that out now though, will have to wait to some other day
00:58:02saratoga_workoh you mean for the IRAM malloc stuff?
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01:10:16hillshumOkay, it's not april 1st and svn's down
01:10:46Bagder"Destination Net Unreachable"
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01:10:53n1ssvn was not down on april 1st ;)
01:11:11hillshumabout what I got
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01:11:40Bagderit looks like a problem at the hosting place, but we'll see in the morning (1am here atm)
01:14:02hillshumwhat else is there? is it all down?
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01:17:54Anonym# Appears as !!!!!!Julez4Dealz.http://www.reach-chat.com/characters/!!!!!!Julez4Dealz.AVB
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01:18:36VirtualDistancehi
01:19:08VirtualDistanceOne question
01:19:12hillshumhello
01:19:22VirtualDistanceI run rockbox on c200
01:19:52VirtualDistancejust updated , see i no longer boot into openfm when connecting cable to pc
01:20:05VirtualDistancebut my microsd still won't work
01:20:14hillshumare you using the OF?
01:20:19hillshumor rockbox?
01:20:25VirtualDistancerockbox man
01:20:29evilnick_7What does openfm mean?
01:20:33hillshumfor usb?
01:20:37VirtualDistancei can transfer files in rockbox
01:21:01saratoga_workare you asking how to get into the original firmware?
01:21:07VirtualDistancemp3 wav ogg no prob as long as its the memory of the player
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01:21:17VirtualDistanceNo im asking if i can get into the microsd :D
01:21:28VirtualDistanceit won't show up
01:22:07hillshumdoes it work in an other card reader?
01:22:11VirtualDistanceyup
01:22:25hillshumwhat OS?
01:22:27VirtualDistanceand in the rockbox software too
01:22:30VirtualDistancewindows dude
01:23:06evilnick_7So you want to use the Original Firmware to transfer to an SDHC card under Windows?
01:23:23VirtualDistanceyup
01:23:28evilnick_7Rockbox is not going to affect the behaviour of the OF
01:23:31hillshumthat doesn't work
01:23:37evilnick_7Rockbox is a complete replacement
01:23:47VirtualDistanceoriginal rockbox
01:23:51VirtualDistanceto transfer files
01:23:59VirtualDistancethats what i meant
01:24:08saratoga_worki have no idea what that means
01:24:10VirtualDistancefuck the sansa lame OS :D
01:24:17VirtualDistancehmm guys
01:24:21VirtualDistancethis is strange
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01:24:44VirtualDistanceit found my sdcard now
01:25:01VirtualDistanceas that extra drive that never could be opened earlier
01:25:20evilnick_7VirtualDistance: You can use Rockbox USB to transfer to the card if it's SDHC. Or you can use the OF if the card is only SD (no HC).
01:25:44VirtualDistanceit is sdhc man
01:25:47saratoga_workso basically you never tried using rockbox to access your card, assumed it couldn't, and then eventually discovered that it could
01:25:54saratoga_workis this a summary of whatever you are trying to say
01:26:21VirtualDistancei've been around rockbox earlier just never thought that this update would be so rad
01:26:31VirtualDistancei hated switching to OF earlier
01:26:39saratoga_worki'll take that as a yes
01:26:50VirtualDistancejust for the sake of a few files
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01:27:08evilnick_7VirtualDistance: Rockbox is fairly gnarly
01:27:17VirtualDistancedudes sdhc transfer works here
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01:27:44VirtualDistancecoolness
01:28:05evilnick_7Glad that you like it.
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01:28:50VirtualDistanceu kidding? rockbox kicks ass !! makes me wanna boot that OF to hell now since its useless :)
01:30:01VirtualDistancejust one question
01:30:26VirtualDistancewill that new e200 series have the same functionality with usb when the release comes?
01:30:37saratoga_workyes
01:30:37hillshumthe v2?
01:30:41evilnick_7Yes
01:30:46VirtualDistancei believe they were called ams
01:31:38VirtualDistancecool , i'll keep an eye out for that one
01:31:46hillshumlikely the ams ones will not have USB−−at least not at first
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01:32:42VirtualDistanceguess they use diffrent usb-parts
01:33:04hillshummost of the parts are different
01:35:33VirtualDistanceneat
01:36:04VirtualDistanceany release date yet for that ams one?
01:36:17hillshumnope
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01:37:38krazykitVirtualDistance, release dates are impossible to update, as all work is done in people's free time
01:37:50krazykiter, impossible to estimate
01:38:34VirtualDistancedamn payed people do get tje job done in a louzy way
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01:38:59VirtualDistanceof is a joke compared to rockbox
01:39:12saratoga_workthis isn't the right place to talk about the original firmware or how much you like rockbox
01:39:16saratoga_worktry rockbox-community
01:39:44VirtualDistanceok guys thanx for all aid im outta here
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07:07:06blaydeso i've been following the sansa v2 port on the forums and am pretty stoked about mp3/ogg playback mostly working! i'm wondering if you can steer me in the right direction to patching my e200v2 and putting the firmware on to mess with?
07:07:53lucentwtf, mp3 playback working?
07:08:04lucentoh nevermind, e200v2
07:08:19lucentSansa Fuze here and mp3 playback is borked
07:08:35lucentblayde: do you have a build environment set up?
07:08:45blaydebummer... ha ha i'm not even sure if it works tho
07:09:04blaydenah but i'm running the linux - do i just need to pull down the latest source?
07:09:14lucentyeah you could do that
07:09:35lucentthe rockbox.org wiki doc index has a lot of info, hmm
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07:10:33lucentblayde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex > "For Developers" > "CrossCompiler"
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07:11:47blaydecool! sorry i've been looking through the sansa stuff this whole time - all they say is it doesn't work...
07:11:51lucentblayde: please help yourself on a registered freenode IRC nickname to privmsg me and bug me about this crap
07:12:32blaydeya i'm thinking that will give me a good start - i'll register and pm you if things come up - later
07:12:42lucentsome highly opinionated persons troll #rockbox and yell at you if you're just playing around and not a developer
07:12:49lucentjust a forewarning.
07:13:04kkurbjunkugel, I looked at changing/ "fixing" the lcd code for the sleep functionality on the M:robe and I'm not really clear how you expect this to work
07:13:19lucentkkurbjun: for the logs?
07:13:46kkurbjunlcd_enable does not look like it's called from the core so I'm not sure what the point is to enable the LCD_ENABLE define without LCD_SLEEP
07:13:49kkurbjunlucent: yep
07:14:17lucentkkurbjun: I recall some targets worked in bright sunlight
07:14:27lucentwhatever that !@#$ means
07:15:02kkurbjunthe same goes for LCD_SLEEP, I don't see how the screen is supposed to be re-enabled if you don't have an lcd-enable (which is never called in the core)
07:15:23kkurbjunyeah, some are visable in the light, but the defines are not clear on what their intended use is
07:15:33kkurbjunor how they are expected to be used
07:20:23lucentI agree, best to ask kugel
07:21:23lucentthe question sounded real familiar, like I had heard it discussed once but I don't understand about it
07:21:36kkurbjunI was talking to him about it a while ago
07:22:02kkurbjunbecause he didn't like the way that they were mixed on the m:robe, but it's done on the x5 and gigabeat as well
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08:16:23amiconnkkurbjun: LCD_ENABLE and LCD_SLEEP are essentially the same thing. Some targets use one, some targets use the other. This is in need of a thorough cleanup...
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09:25:06linuxstbraymanism: Any luck yet?
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10:32:03raymanismlinuxstb: thanks for asking... unfortunately not! I tried to connect to IRC last night from home to get your help while I was in lunyx, but as I told you the connection was bad
10:32:59raymanismI did bring my netbook to work today though :)
10:35:45raymanismlinuxstb: I have a fresh installation of a distro called "moblin", but the problem is that apt-get isn't installed on it... I'm not very savvy with linux, so i could use your help!
10:36:07GodEaterif you're not savvy, why not use a "user friendly" distro like ubuntu ?
10:36:57linuxstbraymanism: I've no idea what moblin is, but you just need to install the equivalent of the "build-essential" package (although that may be installed by default), plus subversion.
10:37:50linuxstbraymanism: But this isn't the place to ask about that kind of help...
10:40:33raymanismwell I don't like Gnome... but I will try another friendlier distro to minimize problems I encounter when trying to patch
10:41:04GodEaterraymanism: there's kubuntu if you don't like gnome ?
10:41:17GodEatercomes with KDE in case that's not obvious :)
10:44:19raymanismyeah I used Kubuntu (prefer debian+KDE my self), but it doesn't provide out-of the-box support for netbooks.. since I'm not savvy, I'm having problems tweaking the OS to my needs. and I'm trying to switch to linux slowly
10:48:51lucentraymanism: I know from experience that Ubuntu is *the* platform to use if you have anything near a decent modern computer
10:49:30lucentmy personal feelings on the matter aren't exactly "happy" or "pleased" about this
10:49:37LloreanDistro comparisons can all go to -community though.
10:50:14lucentit's just the platform to use because I know it works, if you have a question about getting the build environment to go, I (and others) can answer it
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11:27:46kugelkkurbjun: you don't need to define HAVE_LCD_ENABLE if you want sleep, but you'll want a lcd_awake function (see ipods)
11:28:47kugelamiconn: I did a cleanup, but some targets (which I don't own and thus don't really want to touch in that level) still do it wrongly
11:32:49kugelkkurbjun: what I did is to separate sleep and enable. sleep doesn't depend on HAVE_LCD_ENABLE (wrt to lcd_activated and lcd_activation_hook). calling the enable/activating function is in the backlight driver only, so it doesn't really matter how it is called
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11:38:49kugelI'm planning to move the calls in the driver out, into backlight.c, too, once it's all completely cleared
11:41:03kugel(and yes, HAVE_LCD_ENABLE and HAVE_LCD_SLEEP is pretty much the same, at least unless HAVE_LCD_SLEEP_SETTING is also defined)
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13:28:50at0mhttp://marc.info/?l=linux-netdev&m=123790445001314&w=2 - netfilter 17/41: x_tables: add LED trigger target
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13:30:05linuxstbat0m: Did you mean to post that here?
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13:31:26at0mlinuxstb, was considering it could be usefull on some targets - don't know much on rockbox internals though
13:31:52at0mlinuxstb, you asking that, it probably isnt eh
13:31:57rmhello
13:32:47linuxstbat0m: How could a netfilter patch be helpful?
13:33:11rmdoes anyone know if there is a project to make a theora player plugin for rockbox?
13:33:27scorchenot that i have ever heard of
13:33:41at0mlinuxstb, thought it'd be more generic. I'm sorry then..
13:33:47linuxstbrm: Thanks for volunteering!
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15:14:14der|is it normal that in the OF the battery is at 100%, and in rockbox it says 89%, any ideas on why this happens ?
15:14:59der|ah, seems like I need to set the Mah for the battery....
15:15:00der|thanks anyways
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16:06:13raymanismlinuxstb: I'm on ubuntu, tried to apt-get build-essential but I got an saying couldn't find package
16:06:41linuxstb"apt-get install build-essential"
16:06:52raymanismgot an error saying
16:07:22linuxstbraymanism: Can you join #rockbox-community, this isn't really on-topic here.
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17:43:05pinguenanybody reason why svn would freeze during download? every time i try, and always on the same file
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17:48:13linuxstbpinguen: Which file, out of curiousity?
17:48:53pinguenlinuxstb: /tools/release/README
17:50:16*linuxstb shrugs
17:50:18kugelout of space?
17:50:43pinguenive got 188GB free on the drive
17:51:33pingueni tried it with a windows client, the cygwin client, and in debian, and it stops at the same file in all of them
17:51:54*linuxstb tries a new checkout
17:53:09linuxstbWorked fine...
17:53:25pinguen:-\
17:53:48linuxstbpinguen: "tools" the first directory it downloads, so it stops almost immediately?
17:54:06pinguenyeah it gets about 8 files
17:55:19linuxstbHave you ever downloaded the Rockbox SVN in the past, or is this your first attempt?
17:55:30kugelpinguen: worked fine here too
17:56:24pinguenthis is the first time, although i have downloaded other projects off of svn just fine
17:57:04linuxstbpinguen: And what command are you typing to checkout?
17:57:22pinguenlinuxstb: svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox-trunk
17:57:40*GodEater suggests trying git instead ?
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18:00:12linuxstbpinguen: Maybe try checking out the other directories individually, to try and narrown down the problem? e.g. "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk/apps rockbox-trunk/apps"
18:00:33kugelthe file after README is in tools too
18:00:41GodEateror try git :D
18:00:50kugel(unless the order is not defined)
18:01:03pinguenill try this now
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18:37:39fabrice_26hello @ll
18:38:50pinguenlinuxstb: well, trying other directories alone didn't seem to work, it would zip along for a while and then just freeze again
18:42:16GodEaterpinguen: once more I recommend trying git
18:42:33GodEaterhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GitVersionControl/
18:42:34pinguenive been messing with that for a few minutes, never used it before
18:42:45pinguendo i need to use clone or checkout?
18:42:48GodEaterthere are instructions at the bottom
18:43:00GodEaterwell there would be
18:43:03GodEaterif I'd got the url right
18:43:04GodEaterone sec
18:43:12pingueni found it
18:43:17GodEaterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl
18:43:18GodEater:)
18:43:39GodEateruse the instructions under the title "The public Rockbox git repository"
18:43:55GodEatersince I don't think the git-svn ones will help you much
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18:48:25pinguenso, i used git clone git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox
18:48:37pinguenand it seemed to go well
18:48:46GodEaterexcellent news
18:48:47pinguenbut did that give me trunk?
18:48:51GodEateryes
18:48:59GodEaterthe git repo is a clone of the svn trunk
18:49:03pinguenah
18:49:08GodEaterevery commit to svn is published there too
18:49:14mcuelenaerepinguen: did you try SVN over HTTP?
18:49:27pinguenwell thanks GodEater, now i can get to compiling :)
18:49:32GodEaternp ;)
18:49:39pinguenmcuelenaere: yeah, that did the same thing
18:49:41*GodEater chalks up a score for git ;)
18:49:52pingueni wonder why svn isnt working for me
18:50:06GodEaterwhat version is your svn client ?
18:50:54pinguensvn, version 1.6.1 (r37116)
18:50:57pinguenthis is in Cygwin
18:51:08pinguenbut i also tried it in Debian and with QSvn in Windows
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18:51:46GodEatervery odd
18:52:47pinguenmcuelenaere: actually, i was wrong ... svn over http gave me '200 OK'
18:53:05mcuelenaerewhat did normal SVN give you then?
18:53:57pinguenit would freeze on tools/release/README every single time
18:54:23pinguenhmm, i just compiled and it says rockbox is version "r20710M-090415" <- what is the M? I haven't seen that before
18:54:41GodEatermeans the source has been modified
18:54:51GodEateryou get that if you use the git repo I think
18:55:09pinguenah
18:55:21linuxstbDidn't that patch to include git info in the version string get committed?
18:55:29GodEaterlinuxstb: I've no idea
18:55:37GodEaterIf so I've never noticed it
18:55:41GodEaterand I always use the git repo
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18:56:58*GodEater will build now to see
18:57:44linuxstbNo, it seems that "r20710M-090415" is the outcome of that patch - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9758
18:57:53GodEaterwow
18:57:58GodEaterthey made a patch to do that?
18:58:07GodEaterI could have sworn that's what it did in the first place ;)
18:58:15linuxstbApparently "svnversion" didn't like being run in a git checkout...
18:58:51GodEaterwell it wouldn't I imagine - there's not .svn dir
18:58:57linuxstbOr something.... I didn't pay attention to it.
18:59:01GodEater/s/not/no
18:59:13GodEatercan't see why you would
18:59:16GodEateryou're not a git fan
18:59:18GodEater:)
18:59:46*GodEater thinks they should have changed it to a 'G'
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19:00:21GodEater'M' is confusing otherwise. Did you just modify an svn checkout with a patch, or did you build vanilla from the git repo ?
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19:01:02kugelGodEater: I think the M isn't intentional
19:01:30kugel(IIRC, I haven't followed it deeply either)
19:01:49yashHi all, I'm a GSoC applicant, and got a comment saying my project wasn't chosen. I just wanted to know the reason behind the decision.
19:02:17GodEaterkugel: you're probably right
19:02:44kugelGodEater: you should ping Unhelpful (if I didn't do that already :) )
19:04:05GodEatersuperfluous pinging
19:04:06GodEater:)
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19:52:54linuxstbDidn't the iFP port implement it?
19:53:08mcuelenaereGDB over USB?
19:53:19linuxstbI _think_ so.
19:53:37gevaertsI'm a bit dubious about it as long as USB needs interrupts. Of course it doesn't need them in principle...
19:54:54mcuelenaerehuh? Doesn't GDB needs interrupts anyway?
19:55:15gevaertshm, no idea actually...
19:55:46*mcuelenaere can't imagine an other way to do breakpoints without interrupts
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19:56:51gevaertsMy thinking is that whatever you use as a stub should probably be as standalone and nonintrusive as possible
19:57:16mcuelenaeretrue, but how are you going to accomplish that without interrupts?
19:57:56gevaertsyou're right. Interrupts are probably useful
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21:22:18Keripoyash: "Hi all, I'm a GSoC applicant, and got a comment saying my project wasn't chosen." <−− I'm also a GSoC applicant. Where can you check your approval/rejection status?
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21:25:40Strife89Quick bootloader question: Can I safely install a new version of the bootloader _on top of_ an existing one?
21:26:06linuxstbOn what device, using what install method?
21:26:27Strife89Sansa c250, original install method was manual.
21:26:37Strife89Installed December 26, 2006.
21:26:37linuxstbDo you mean sansapatcher?
21:26:43Strife89Yes.
21:26:51linuxstbThere's a "very manual" method as well...
21:27:09linuxstbThen yes, you can just re-run sansapatcher, and that will detect and replace any existing bootloader.
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21:27:17linuxstb(or rbutil - it's the same thing)
21:27:36Strife89Will do, then. :)
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21:29:21Strife89Argh, one more question: Is the link to sansapatcher in the online manual for the most recent version of it?
21:29:51linuxstbYes, the URL doesn't change.
21:30:10Strife89Alrighty, that's all then.
21:31:05Keripolinuxstb: Rougly when will the GSoC results be posted and how/where will we be able to check?
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22:16:23kubziorhello
22:16:35kubziordoes rockbox work on ipod nano last generation?
22:17:49kubzioror I don't have to win that shit? ;p
22:18:31linuxstbNo, just the 1st gen Nano.
22:19:03kubziorwhat a pity
22:19:11kubziorbut it will be supported later?
22:19:17kubziorwill it be*
22:20:28linuxstbAll the newer ipods have strongly encrypted firmware to prevent third-party code running on it. No-one has yet found a way around that.
22:21:06linuxstbBut to be honest, there's not a great interest from existing Rockbox developers - there are many other devices Rockbox does run on.
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22:23:15kubziorreally, what a pity
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22:35:19ntfnyeah
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22:35:39ntfni have a 1g ipodnano
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22:39:29ntfnhttp://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Nano2G
22:40:24kubziornano 4g neither supported :F
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22:42:30ntfntheres gotta be a way to exploit the firmware to get it to exec something eh? like those xbox hax ;)
22:42:48ntfnmake a mp3 that crashes and execs a bootloader
22:42:52thegeekperhaps, you are welcom to try;P
22:42:55thegeekwelcome*
22:43:08ntfnme nah but i'm considering possibilities
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22:45:13sordupGreetings from a newbie on the channel.
22:46:13sordupI am seeking help with a ihp-140 showing a Result: -5 error on boot-up
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22:49:48Unhelpfuldo we have a svnversion problem on git?
22:52:04froggymanI have a question for some of the devolpers: I want to get into programming (the only languages i know now are Ti-Basic and Z80 assembly for the TI calcs), and i want to start on C for my first full language, so does anybody know of any good guides and programs for this?
22:52:55saratogagoogle
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22:53:40MTfroggyman : you're probably better off asking this question in ##c
22:53:52ntfnyeah they have tuts
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22:53:59ntfncheck the motd
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22:54:28froggymanMT: what do you mean by ##c?
22:54:44ntfn /join ##C
22:55:02MTfroggyman : IRC channel ##c '/join ##c' like you joined rockbox
22:55:08froggymanohh
22:56:33sordupanyone know what Rockbox boot error "Result: -5" indicates?
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22:57:01perrikwpsordup: I'm no expert, but from looking at the code, Result: -5 means Bad Checksum. Also you can see that checksum != sum in your screenshot from the forums
22:58:22sordupperrikwp: thanks. but what does that indicate, then.
22:59:05evilnick_230Try re-extracting the build
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23:00:11sordupi have tried. even on multiple discs. cannot boot to original firmware even.
23:00:12saratogaa failed checksum probably means a bad file, or hardware that can't read the file correctly (broken or whatever)
23:00:26saratogathen probably bad hardware
23:01:04sordupsaratoga: and therefore unfixable? it has been all of a sudden.
23:01:35Unhelpfulversion.sh seems to work for me, it reports a bare svn revision on a vanilla build, or adds an M if there are local changes. maybe this is a .gitignore issue, and it's thinking that its modified because of build files?
23:03:03evilnick_230sordup: Have you flashed the bootloader?
23:03:18evilnick_230(sorry, stupid question)
23:03:50sordupis it possible to flash and patch the original firmware (iriver ihp-140) from a PC -i.e. without booting into the original firmware. i cannot boot at all. i can read and write to disc when connected to a PC.
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23:06:00sordupI meant - is it possible to flash and patch the original firmware (iriver ihp-140) from a PC -i.e. without booting into the original firmware ?
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23:07:38evilnick_230sordup: I *think* that it is, but perhaps only with special hardware. If you've posted in the forum can you paste that link?
23:07:42Calacohello 2 all !!!
23:08:24Calacodoes any1 here know much about crossflashing ipod's
23:09:05sordupevilnick_230: here > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21297.msg148589#msg148589
23:10:42Calacocan u simply crossflash ipod classic 5.5 firmware to a ipod video
23:11:04evilnick_230Calaco: iPod 5.5G ARE iPod Videos
23:11:42saratogaCalaco: also, we don't flash ipods, we just install Rockbox on their disks, no flashing required
23:11:49Calacosry my mistake on the 5.5 (duh iknew that)
23:12:15*DerPapst doubts that it is possible to flash the firmware of one ipod generation to a different one.
23:12:27saratogaright now i don't think its possible to flash them at all
23:13:08DerPapstif you update the firmware the aupd image gets flashed on the internal rom.
23:13:17Calacoim trying to put rockbox on buddy's 80gb ipod but its a classic, i was wondering if its possible to put the the firmware from my ipodvideo onto his classic inorder 2 rockbox
23:13:26evilnick_230sordup: I'm not an expert on the bootloader, but I used to own an H140. I would guess that it is indeed a hardware issue
23:13:30evilnick_230Calaco: No
23:13:34Calacolol
23:13:47DerPapstCalaco: entirely different hardware. not possible
23:14:21sordupevilnick_230: meaning, now a paper weight?
23:14:41evilnick_230sordup: It's a nicely sized external hard drive ;)
23:14:52Calacoi figured that, it was just a shot in the dark
23:15:48sordupevilnick_230: that's true. thanks for helping me stay positive. you're not so evil after all.
23:16:04evilnick_230sordup: If I were you then I'd try to find out who did the preliminary work on the H1x0 port as they'll be the best person to ask
23:16:05Calacoanother question i have is: what would it take to get my rockbox bootloader to boot ipod linux
23:16:36evilnick_230Calaco: That wouldn't be supported here
23:16:47DerPapstpressing play/pause iirc. the linux kernel has to be stored on the fat32 partition
23:17:02sordupthanks
23:17:06DerPapstevilnick_230: where else should he ask then?
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23:18:04Calacoi've got it to load linux.bin, but it freezes, i think it may need some sort of cfg file, but unsure
23:18:21saratogathats offtopic
23:18:31DerPapstCalaco: rockbox' bootloader doesn't use any config files.
23:19:07DerPapstsaratoga: but it's a feature of the official rockbox bootloader isn't it? ;)
23:19:46DerPapstthough the problem might be somewhere else which is indeed off topic here then
23:19:55Calacoyes it is
23:21:25Calacoi know the rockbox bootloader doesnt use cfg files but it does give u the option of loading linux.bin and when i load the linux.bin, it freezes in startup
23:21:30DerPapstCalaco: you might want to join #ipodlinux incase it's not a problem with rockbox bootloader.
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23:23:00Calacoim already there :)
23:25:20evilnick_230DerPapst: presumably a weird combination of iPod linux and #rockbox-community
23:27:13DerPapstprobably... ;)
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23:42:10MTsaratoga , linuxstb : I've now removed avcodeccontext. But to do that I created a new struct (RMContext) which would take in all the codec-independent data from the parser, so that later on when adding more codecs, we wouldn't need to modify the parser to take a different codec context. (I'm very very sleepy so I hope my words make sense :) )
23:43:00linuxstbMT: That seems to make sense.
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23:43:54MTlinuxstb : code is going to svn in a minute if you want to check it out later.
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