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#rockbox log for 2009-04-16

00:04:52MTlinuxstb : I also tried cook_decode_init() after real_parse_header() and kept getting "Tried to allocate past the end of a Huffman table".
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00:50:46soapBagder / Zagor: What do you all think of the idea of a Rockbox Donation Raffle? I have one or two more Rockbox embroidered shirts. Size L. How about every dollar donated during the month of May counts as one ticket?
00:51:08soapCould that be done? Have a drawing at the end of the month and I will send the shirt to the winner?
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00:51:46soapIf the donations top $200 I'll get the winner's name embroidered on the breast.
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00:52:29soapPerhaps a Glamour shot of Bagder wearing one to sex up the contest?
00:53:06gevaertsWhy not you? ;)
00:53:15soapbecause I'm not sexy.
00:54:45*gevaerts has logs :)
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00:57:41froggymanwhere does the donated money go to exactly?
00:57:56rasherIn a big pile.
00:58:03soapwhich Llorean sleeps on.
00:58:22froggymanahh,,,, makes sense now
00:58:32linuxstbDon't we have a wiki page for that?
00:58:33krazykithe says it helps his back.
00:58:54froggymanI thought Llorean didnt sleep, doesnt he just get plugged in at night to recharge?
00:59:10rasherIt's been used for covering a bit of travel expenses for developers attending devcon, for expenses at devcon, for buying a Hardware USB tracer, and occassionally (a few times) it's been used to buy developers a target for a port
00:59:11*linuxstb gives the sensible answer - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DonatedMoney
00:59:21BigBambiI don't know about Sweden (or the US) but in the UK you have to be careful legally about the difference between a raffle and a ottery
00:59:22froggymanbecause that would surely explain why is able to be so active with rockbox
00:59:34BigBambi*lottery
00:59:43froggymanrasher: thanks
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01:00:10gevaertsfroggyman: he isn't active *now* :)
01:00:25DerPapstthat is what he wants you to think
01:00:34LloreanIt *is* what I want you to think.
01:00:46DerPapsthehe :)
01:00:51*BigBambi jumps
01:01:46froggymanLlorean is always active on rockbox(even if it seems like he isnt), infact if there were a god for rockbox it would look exactly like Llorean
01:01:55gevaertsseriously though, the money goes into a numbered account
01:02:12froggymangevaerts: thanks
01:02:25soapBigBambi: I'm located currently in Cuba.
01:02:32soapand I will ship from Cuba.
01:02:39soapSo no raffle / lottery issues.
01:02:46gevaertsfroggyman: have a look around, lots of people here have their IRC client online all the time
01:02:56BigBambisoap: So nobody in the US needs enter then?
01:03:12soapI'll ship worldwide.
01:03:27froggymangevaerts: i know cuz there is no possible way there is 140 *active* people on now
01:03:48BigBambiI was more thinking about this silly US embargo on Cuba
01:03:57BigBambiOr does that not apply for packages c
01:04:00*gevaerts points froggyman to the guidelines again
01:04:06BigBambiCuba - USA?
01:04:13BigBambiOfftopic for here anyway
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01:19:32motionman95Some one think they could help me with my theme removal plugin? It's not working correctly. Specically, when using rb->write to write the info read from the .cfg file a text file, something wacky happens. http://mibbit.com/pb/2PadVN
01:22:54Unhelpfulkugel: what exactly is the issue with version.sh? i tested removing my exclude list in my git repo, and it still labels a vanilla build correctly.
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01:33:19saratogais FS #2653 - "added one-click-to-insert functionality in file tree" wanted?
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01:37:59Lloreansaratoga: I think there needs to be some discussion (probably on -dev) as to whether it goes on "Right" or on "Select" (I think select makes most sense, otherwise it makes navigation into folders a bit weird) and it needs to be non-configurable (just one button inserts, one 'activates' or 'invokes' or whatever)
01:38:24saratogasounds good
01:39:14LloreanBut I've definitely been for removing the redundancy between "right" and "select" and making one of them an insertion function.
01:39:48rasherOn targets without enough buttons, does this preserve behavior?
01:39:57rasherIf so, I'm in Llorean's camp
01:40:02rasherBut yes, -dev is probably best
01:41:55soapwill it insert only selected track or will it insert selected track and all following tracks in the folder?
01:42:46rasherOnly selected track seems most obvious to me
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01:58:19kugelUnhelpful: don't ask me..
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01:59:26Unhelpfulwell, i looked at what GodEater said as well, and it's not really clear what sort of problem there was, if any. :/
01:59:34kugelsaratoga: I'm for it too, but not configurable. I have a patch which maps this to REC for e200, other targets could use select/right if they don't have REC or another free button
01:59:40kugelUnhelpful: M was appended
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02:00:00Unhelpfulkugel: if there are local changes, it should be. ;)
02:00:11kugelwithout local changes, that is
02:00:29kugelif there was local changes nobody complained
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02:00:48kugelthat guy had a fresh checkout
02:02:02kugelLlorean: we already had a lot discussion about that
02:02:42Unhelpful"pinguen", was it? hrm. i'll update mine and see if i can manage to reproduce.
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02:06:01Unhelpfulhrm, version.sh still reports correctly for me :/
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02:18:38soapwhy rec on the sansa E200? Its layout is so similar to the iPods I hate to see them diverge...
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02:21:49rasherREC on e200 is awfully inconvenient
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02:23:39pixelmaespecially seeing that one of the arguements for it is "get rid of the redundancy", I'd say if at all then the same for all targets this redundancy exist. Thinking of the Ondoi were it doesn't and which has Right as insert, I would hope that Right stays the same and Select would get a new function (although I'm not sure whether I like this at all at the moment would have to try=
02:24:09pixelma- typos
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02:35:13kugelwhatever
02:35:26kugelwe apparently want unused buttens
02:35:50kugelI'd love to see this on any button
02:35:53rasherYeah, that's exactly what we said
02:36:27rasherNo one's saying there's a need for unused buttons. It just makes sense to make *this change* in the same way across our targets
02:36:38kugelI find REC very convenient, btw
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02:36:44*rasher isn't convinced the rec button needs a short-press action
02:36:58rasherI find it impossible to press while holding the thing (except by accident)
02:37:57kugelquite opposite for me
02:38:31Lloreankugel: The discussion we had was about your patch though, using REC, rather than removing the redundancy between Select/Right
02:39:27Lloreanpixelma: Right is "insert" on Ondio, or right is the 'select' function other targets have?
02:39:58kugelLlorean: same functionality. saratoga just asked about the functionality
02:40:46Lloreankugel: Actually, he just asked about a specific flyspray number...
02:41:09kugeland this one is configurable iirc.
02:41:24LloreanAnd I stated my opinion on the configurability when I responded.
02:41:30kugelasking for a FS# is also asking about what the FS# does
02:41:51Lloreankugel: Yes, but you said he *just* asked about the functionality.
02:42:29LloreanHe asked about a task, I responded about the task including its functionality.
02:43:30Lloreanrasher: If we made Select be 'insert' and Right be "navigate / invoke" (its current function) that would free up short-rec to display the playlist catalogue (another popular request for it, and I *think* the chief competition for it alongside insertion)
02:44:08rasherThat makes a good amount of sense to me
02:44:22LloreanOf course, not changing targets that don't have the existing redundancy.
02:44:26kugelLlorean: OK I got it
02:45:08rasherLlorean: Or free buttons.
02:46:46Lloreanrasher: Indeed.
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06:50:42roomtemperatureso trying to install rockbox on my sansa e280 v2 - i've set up a build environment and compiled the firmware/bootloader file. how exactly do i go about patching the bootloader?
06:51:50rasherroomtemperature: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS#Bootloader_Installation
06:53:24roomtemperaturethanks much! ha ha if only i could find these pages to begin with...
06:53:58rasherI guess the trick is to know that we refer to them as AMS sansas
06:54:04rasherAnd then the search should be helpful
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07:09:08Keriporandom question: how big of an interest is there in the Rockbox community for a GBA emulator and has anyone in the past tried working on one?
07:10:27Keripocause I currently maintain the iPodLinux port of gpSP and have it running at max 80% speed and, knowing its source code pretty thoroughly and knowing how port-able it is, was wondering if the Rockbox community would want a port
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07:12:14Keripowill probably have to find Exophase again and ask for his permission, but technically since he did GPL it and I'm using the latest GPL'd source code...
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07:13:07rasherThere's not really anything "technical" about it. That's how the GPL works
07:14:11Keripowell under GPL as long as I include the license and dont claim it as my own, its fine - I just usually notice in the open source community people tend to ask the original dev just out of respect/politeness
07:17:18rasherI don't really see what respect/politeness is involved. He *wants* his code to be free and ported/modified etc. Otherwise he'd have picked a different license
07:18:40Keripowell, actually thats the thing
07:19:05UnhelpfulKeripo: chosing to license under gpl expresses an intent that you may fork a project or base other works on it - the license *is* the author's permission to do those things.
07:19:28Keripodue to a whole load of poorly moddified versions that were released in the PSP scene, there was a whole load of drama that I wont go into
07:19:48Keripopretty much ended up with the dev (Exophase) becoming pissed off and deciding to no longer GPL future versions
07:20:32Keripodoesn't affect the version I have though, but having to deal with an angry programmer is... not in my best interest ; P
07:20:37rasherDoesn't really change the fact that he has given permission to use the code in question
07:21:02Unhelpfulyou don't have to "deal with" an angry programmer. you're basing your work on his GPL release.
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07:22:35Keripowell, either way, drama aside, is there any particular interest in a port or is it not practical to add a plugin that only works decently on some targets and very slowly on others
07:23:11rasherWe already have a gameboy plugin that doesn't run very well on all targets
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07:23:41Keripoahh, I was under the impressions that Rockboy was pretty much perfected and usable on most targets
07:24:09rasherNot on the 11/12MHz Archos targets..
07:24:29*Keripo not familiar with non-iPod targets, hence the original feasibility question
07:25:37Unhelpfulwell, really, the iPod targets aren't even the best for running an emulator on - although they might get a pretty decent speed boost out of using scan-and-execute techniques rather than "true" CPU emulation.
07:26:33Unhelpfulthe gigabeat models have quite a bit more computing power
07:28:16Keripohttp://dvice.com/pics/gigabeat-S_w.jpg ?
07:30:43Unhelpfulthe gigabeat s has a 532MHz CPU (though we clock it lower, and don't support scaling on it yet). gigabeat f/x have 296MHz CPU. ipod video has the same screen dimensions (and so the same number of pixels to render), but only a dual 80MHz CPU
07:31:52Keripoexpected price range for a used one?
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07:48:14amiconnkkurbjun: Weird lcd driver fix....
07:49:19amiconn(1) ((width | height) <= 0) probably does not do what you intended. This trick only works for < 0, not <= 0
07:50:53amiconn(2) Doing the check before clipping makes it miss some cases. E.g. if lcd_update_rect() is called with x = LCD_WIDTH and width = 10, clipping will change 'width' to 0
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07:53:17amiconn(3) If width and height are checked properly, do {...} while() loops should work. They're a little faster and smaller than wile () {...} loops
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08:10:03amiconnkkurbjun: What sort of corruption did you observe? Do you have a photo?
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08:12:15LloreanKeripo: There's definitely a strong desire among _users_ for a GBA emulator. If you were to put one up on flyspray that worked on all software codec targets (independently of speed) I imagine it'd get accepted, and slowly improved over time.
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08:23:13pixelmaLlorean: all sw codec target would be more than current rockboy (thinking of some Ipods) ;)
08:24:09Lloreanpixelma: Are there iPods it still doesn't even launch on, or is it just too slow to be useful?
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08:24:24amiconnAll greyscale ipods don't have rockboy
08:24:48amiconnThat is because no one wrote the necessary blitting function for horizontal pixel packing
08:25:48pixelmait doesn't work on greyscale Ipods and with the current control mechanism on Ipods there would be problems on Ipods without the position aware wheel (don't remember Apple's name atm)
08:26:40pixelmaamiconn: I believe there's a patch in the tracker (by midgey) for the lcd part
08:27:09pixelmamaybe outdated
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08:35:47pixelmaLlorean: and about the earlier question: Right on Ondio is what Right/Select does on other targets currently (selecting tracks to "play" etc.), long Right for the file context menu
08:37:31Lloreanpixelma: So if this happens, it probably shouldn't change Ondio at all
08:37:59pixelmait can't
08:38:20LloreanWell, it always can, it would probably just make it unusable. :)
08:38:54pixelmalike the forced horizontal scrolling did, in the beginning :\
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08:40:28amiconnI'd rather keep the redundancy between Right and Select. On several targets it's convenient to have both available
08:41:45LloreanI'm curious what use you have for two buttons doing the same thing.
08:42:24ntfnredumndancy?
08:43:27amiconnI'm mainly thinking about the joystick targets. On H1x0 the joystick can be pressed easily, but makes a loud clicking noise when used that way, so I often use Right instead
08:44:01Lloreanamiconn: I'd expect "right" to keep its current function, and clicking the stick to be the "insert" function, honestly
08:44:02amiconnSame goes for iAudio X5 (and M5), where the joystick doesn't make much noise, but is quite hard to press
08:44:07LloreanSo that you can still navigate into folders without inserting them.
08:45:40amiconnMaybe I don't understand what this discussion is about?
08:46:04Lloreanamiconn: Making the center "select" button perform an "Insert" in the filetree instead of doing what it does currently, basically
08:46:17pixelmaI could imagine that this change will cause quite some complaints of users who took the button that function will change and got used to it
08:46:28LloreanWhile the "right" button remains unchanged, and targets which don't have two identical buttons for that remain unchanged.
08:46:35Unhelpfulboth cases i've tried on our e200s make the L/R buttons (and the U/D as well) a bit difficult to press.
08:48:47amiconnInsert?
08:49:15amiconnWhat if you're clicking on a .cfg, or .fnt, or .wps, or ...?
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08:49:32Unhelpfulthen nothing happens, i'd think?
08:49:44LloreanOr it maintains its "select" function for non-playlistable files.
08:49:58*amiconn thinks that would be highly confusing, especially since the database behaves yet different
08:50:16LloreanThe database could behave just fine with it.
08:51:03amiconnThe database currently behaves different from the filebrowser in that it only inserts the current file instead of the whole folder
08:51:07LloreanBut at the moment it's just a topic for discussion. An easier to use insert is one of the big roadblocks to quick playlist building (the other being the difficulty to save them)
08:51:38amiconnHmm, or maybe that was fixed.... I'm really not a db user. I only have it inited for occasional dupe checking, and for pf to work
08:51:43Lloreanamiconn: I don't understand that statement. "insert" only inserts a single file if a single file is selected. A folder is only inserted if you select it on a folder.
08:52:02LloreanOr do you mean, if you select a filter in the database you only get one file from within it?
08:52:08amiconnLlorean: Yeah, but the file browser iserts the whole folder if you click on a file
08:52:23amiconn...and starts playing right away
08:52:28LloreanAh, as far as I know the database does that too.
08:52:38LloreanUnless that got broken at some point. I don't use it much.
08:52:43amiconnThen that must have been fixed at some point...
08:53:22linuxstbWhat did it use to do?
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08:59:36amiconnIt used to insert only the file you clicked on
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14:41:26pondlifeAnyone know how easy it would be to run the simulator without a console window? I guess that's a linker thing, but it would be ideal if it could be a run-time option.
14:42:14n1sI like the idea of select inserting tracks into a playlist too, maybe with a quick splash "Inserted N tracks" or something
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14:47:37amiconnpondlife: It's a build-time decision - build as console or gui application
14:48:05amiconnProblem with gui application is that you don't get to see any text output, not even when starting it from a console
14:48:56pondlifeCould it not be built as a gui app, but have a −−console option which creates a console when needed for debugging?
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15:07:23tmztoh, on windows?
15:07:31ender`that should work, gimp does something similar (it's a GUI application, but when you run it with eg. −−help, it'll open a console)
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15:09:31amiconnpondlife: Afaik that's not possible
15:09:56ender`amiconn: it is, but the console always opens in a new window
15:10:21amiconnnasty...
15:11:27pondlifeYes - I was hoping it could open any existing console, but not need to use a new one
15:11:53pondlifes/any/an/
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15:14:50tmztraymanism: didyou get your bootloader built?
15:16:55raymanismtmzt: slowly getting there :) discussing it at rb-community
15:17:26tmztokay
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15:44:57linuxstbraymanism: Type "make mknkboot"
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16:48:12kubziordoes foobar play modular files? :D
16:48:16kubziorI meant mod, xm, etc
16:48:34BigBambiThis is #rockbox
16:49:09kubziorwhoops
16:49:12kubziorsorry ;f
16:49:23kubziorI was thinking about rockbox, sorry
16:49:51kubziorI dunno why I wrote foobar ^^"
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16:50:27BigBambiIn that case, yes - Rockbox plays some of those
16:50:34BigBambiI can't rememeber which exactly
16:50:51kubziornice :D
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16:53:02MTlinuxstb : ping
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17:22:38MTlinuxstb : is there a random number generator function in rockbox ? ffmpeg has one which gets it's seed by opening a random file and returning the read time so I have to find another way for that.
17:22:59mcuelenaereMT: I think there is
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17:23:25mcuelenaereMT: firmware/common/random.c
17:23:46MTmcuelenaere : Thank You. :)
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17:26:47rasherMT: I know it's not very helpful, but why does a codec need randomness?
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17:31:03MTrasher : I still don't really understand cook that much to answer your question, cook needs to test a random number against an upper bound (in noise coding).
17:31:34rasherAlright, that sounds pretty nutty
17:31:55MTI don't get it too really, will ask merbanan when he's here.
17:32:38*linuxstb doesn't understand either
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17:43:57saratogaMT: for the noise generator in wma, I just recorded a few thousand values from ffmpeg and reuse them
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17:45:37saratogaI'm not sure if its the best way to do it, but its fast and works reasonably well
17:45:59MTsaratoga : ok thanks a lot. I will try that.
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20:43:15pyro_maniacbluebrother: ping
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21:10:47xCopyevening y'all. can rockbox play .mp4-video(H.264)?
21:11:19linuxstbNo
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21:12:15linuxstbYou're welcome.
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22:37:44bluebrotherpyro_maniac: pong
22:38:29pyro_maniacbluebrother: its me again! ;-) and I found a "Bootloaderr" again in rbutil
22:38:58pyro_maniacits in the german translation for removing the bootloader
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22:51:08froggymanhow do you add statuses
22:51:24bluebrotherhow do you ask questions
22:53:08bluebrotherpyro_maniac: I can't find the location. What bootloader uninstall is affected?
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22:57:24pyro_maniacbluebrother: http://www.imagebam.com/image/f0506f32901721
22:59:35bluebrotherthis image has been marked as adult? wtf?
22:59:47bluebrotheranyway, you've built from sources?
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23:00:04pyro_maniacno I downloaded the binary
23:02:35bluebrotherwell, that hasn't been updated since the change was made so it's not surprising the typo being present.
23:03:29bluebrotherand from reading the diff that typo was fixed :)
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23:03:56pyro_maniacok so you made a complete work last time but the binary isn't up to date. :-) good to know ;-)
23:05:14bluebrotherI hope we can release new binaries in the next couple of days. Unless I missed something that issue should be gone then
23:05:47pyro_maniacok and I keep my eyes open :-)
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23:08:28froggymandoes anyone know of any good beginers guides to programming in C?
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23:10:13krazykitfroggyman, the Getting Started and Compiling section of this forums has this same question a few dozen times. perhaps look there for what people have said
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23:37:14FjssI have a 30gb ipod running rockbox. Is there any way to set it so that linux recognizes it as an ipod and not a removable hard drive?
23:38:51BigBambiboot to the apple firmware
23:44:21FjssI'm sorry, thats not what I meant, let me rephrase my question. Is there a way to get linux to recognize my ipod as a generic media player? I want to use rhythmbox but I don't like how ipods organize the music database.
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23:46:00BigBambiThat'd be a question for the rythmbox people
23:46:12BigBambiIt is just an external hardrive
23:47:10FjssOk thx
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