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#rockbox log for 2009-04-17

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04:05:44darkhamhi, someone here, for a question about a sansa fuze?
04:08:05Unhelpfulthat's not a supported target yet... and i don't think usability is very good at present. don't plan on running rockbox on one unless you want to help code.
04:10:08darkhamUnhelpful: i've only a simply issue with this reader, but i don't know where to ask, and the forum is a little bit slow for my issue...
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04:24:02Unhelpfulasking on IRC isn't really going to be much faster - either way your question will have to wait for somebody who is working on or testing the fuze to get an answer. might as well ask, though. :)
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04:25:51darkhamok, i buy this player, the first thing i've done, was plugging for the firts battery charge. I plugged the cable, and it seems to charge for 10-15 seconds and stop, the battery seems full of charge
04:26:17darkhamif i unplug the cable , the battery is half of charge
04:27:12Carnif3Xhey, how can i add some patches to a regualar daily build i download from the rockbox site..
04:27:39UnhelpfulCarnif3X: you can't, you have to build entirely from scratch to add a patch.
04:28:37Carnif3Xhummm, so arent there any ready-made builds that add some of the patches?
04:29:10Carnif3Xor, is it difficult to compile a version that would suite me
04:29:12Carnif3X?
04:29:55Carnif3Xsuit*
04:30:38UnhelpfulThat's not what you asked for - you asked if you could "add" a patch to a normal daily build. First of all, you should either be using a release build (3.2) or a current build. daily builds only happen once a day, current builds are updated whenever source code is changed.
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04:31:32UnhelpfulSecondly, you can't add a patch to a build. Patches are applied to source code, before it is compiled, to modify the source. So you must compile if you want to pick and choose patches yourself, and the patches you want to use may not apply cleanly together, and may break each other even if they do apply cleanly.
04:32:10Carnif3Xohhh i see..
04:32:47Carnif3Xso what would you suggest, if i want a stable rockbox on my x5
04:32:55UnhelpfulIf you just want a build that already includes some patches, you can check the unsupported builds forum. You'll be getting whatever patches the builder decided to use though, so you can't pick and choose.
04:33:35UnhelpfulI'm not aware of any problems with the current builds on x5, but I don't have one myself. Is there a particular problem you're having?
04:33:52Carnif3Xyea...
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04:34:31Carnif3Xit freezes sometimes when it try to move songs in the playlist
04:34:46Carnif3Xthats one of the problems..
04:35:36Carnif3Xbesides that ive looked around, and i saw some cool patches i would like to use..
04:35:50Carnif3Xill look for an unsupported build..
04:36:20Unhelpfuldarkham: there's not much support i can offer for the OF, and on a device i don't have. every device i've bought has suggested four hours or more of uninterrupted charging, even if it appears to be full, so you might try that. our other channel is the appropriate place for questions that aren't about rockbox - you might try asking there, but you'll still have to wait for somebody who knows to see your question.
04:36:51Carnif3Xproblem is, most of the good build ive seen around the internet are very old, and the links are broken
04:36:54UnhelpfulCarnif3X: if there's not a bug report for such a problem already, you can try to come up with an easy way to trigger the problem, and file a bug report for it.
04:39:59Carnif3Xk man, thanks for your help..
04:40:44Carnif3Xhope it wont take to much time, i need to go back to the army on sunday :)
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05:53:01froggymanCarnif3X still here?
05:55:23froggymanis Carnif3X still here?
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07:04:21dreamlayersHas anyone noticed playback pauses on SWCODEC hard drive based targets? The anti-skip buffer setting isn't being added when calculating the watermark, so the watermark is just based on spinup time. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10115#comment29780
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07:49:18owen1can i install minimal rockbox without games/plugins etc? i only need a music player.
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07:49:40LloreanYou can delete the .rock files for any plugins you'd like.
07:49:44LloreanThey don't take up much space at all though
07:51:15owen1Llorean: can i delete .rockbox folder as well?
07:52:29owen1i guess not..
07:52:38owen1can i delete the games and plugins folder?
07:53:18LloreanWhy don't you look through the plugins, you may find there are some you might have a use for.
07:53:25LloreanThere's no gain for deleting them other than space.
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07:54:50owen1Llorean: ok. i will.
07:55:43rasherThey take up less than 5MB
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09:41:10wodzhello - Can some one explain me how to use coldfire emulator to run some DAP firmware on it?
09:41:50wodzIn other words how to make .board file to fit DAP memory map
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09:43:31Bagderwodz: rockbox has no coldfire emulator
09:43:59wodzI mean http://www.slicer.ca/coldfire/index.php
09:45:01wodzIt is mentioned in various places on rockbox wiki
09:45:12B4gderit is? I've never seen it mentioned
09:46:39wodzhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ColdfireEmulatorDevelopment
09:46:42wodzfor example
09:47:01B4gder"16 Nov 2004" ...
09:47:48B4gderbut to get back to the topic: you better ask those guys how their product is to be used
09:48:03wodzok
09:48:05B4gderI expect a lot of work to be needed
09:50:05wodzI hoped someone involved in reverse engineering of iriver or iaudio coldfire based players can help me
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10:23:01DONT_NOWhello?
10:23:40DONT_NOWi have a qoustion about rockbox and the sansa fuze
10:24:00DONT_NOWthere sty it will work and also not
10:24:08DONT_NOWsupported
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10:24:52LloreanIt's not supported. There's some work done, but it's mainly suitable for developers. If you want to know more, read the development thread in the forum.
10:26:45DONT_NOWbut in the table stay yes
10:26:48DONT_NOWwhy
10:28:44gevaertswhat table?
10:30:17DONT_NOWhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS
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10:31:06LloreanThat table doesn't say they're supported. It just lists which features are mostly working, in terms of development status.
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10:31:25*gevaerts actually would like to know what DONT_NOW's question is
10:31:33DONT_NOWaahhh ok
10:31:34DONT_NOWthx
10:31:56DONT_NOWbut i will be supported in some time
10:31:58DONT_NOW?
10:32:06DONT_NOW(possible)
10:33:22gevaertsprobably, yes
10:33:53DONT_NOWok last question
10:34:31DONT_NOWthey can dev , so there must be an decrypted firmware right
10:34:32DONT_NOW?
10:36:21*gevaerts doesn't understand the question
10:36:49LloreanDONT_NOW: If you want to know about the development work, please read the forum thread and associated wiki pages.
10:37:01DONT_NOWno
10:37:07DONT_NOWnot the status
10:37:38DONT_NOWi want to now (completly to say , i am from germany ^^)
10:38:02DONT_NOWto install rockbox they need the decrypted firmware
10:38:12DONT_NOWright ?
10:38:25LloreanWe need a way to make the player load our firmware.
10:38:36DONT_NOWnot the .bin the rom an so on
10:38:55LloreanPlease, if you'd like to know how they got Rockbox on the player, that's part of the development and thus should be discussed in the thread.
10:39:03gevaertsAs far as I know the AMS sansa firmware is not encrypted
10:39:42DONT_NOWahhh ok thats what i want to know thx
10:40:19*gevaerts points DONT_NOW to the channel guidelines so he can read about real words and things like that
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11:50:45OpconHave any of you guys helped to make a port for rockbox?
11:51:15B4gderlots of us have
11:51:26B4gderand still are
11:52:01Opconok
11:52:32Opcondo you know if anyone has thought about developing a port for the sony walkman S73* series?
11:53:26Bagderlots of people think of such
11:53:31Bagderless people actually do anything
11:53:43Opconok
11:53:55Opcondo you know if any people have actually tried?
11:54:02Bagdernot to my knowledge
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13:22:51dionoeathat's explained in the manual
13:23:01dionoea(I don't remember the specific key combo)
13:27:59k-manany idea how to remove rockbox from an ipod?
13:28:40dionoeathat should be explained in the manual too
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13:36:32gevaertsativan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Erase
13:37:28k-manhmmm... is it different to uninstall rockbox under osx?
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17:00:32saratogais there some trick to getting the svn client on ubuntu to not break on names like "Rafaël Carré"?
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17:05:12saratogaalso what is CPU_BOOST_LOGGING ?
17:06:24linuxstbsaratoga: funman's name works fine for me (command-line svn on ubuntu).
17:06:55linuxstbThere is a problem with the website mangling utf-8, but that's unrelated.
17:08:57saratogait must be my SSH client then, i'm not actually at the machine in question
17:09:28saratogalinuxstb: I was going to commit funman's IRAM patch for AMS, but I'm a little confused about what its doing
17:10:13saratogaI guess that define enables IRAM in plugins and codecs?
17:11:14linuxstbWhat's the FS number?
17:13:34kkurbjunamiconn, Yeah, I missed that comparison, I was only thinking about when both width and height were equal to 0, I forgot about the case when width or height is greater than 0 and the other is not
17:13:34saratogalinuxstb: I don't think there is one: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-04/0105.shtml
17:14:14kkurbjunthe corruption was caused by the addition of x, since I only needed to add the remainder of LCD_WIDTH after moving across the specified width
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17:45:44schrottplatzhi
17:46:15schrottplatzcan i config my loder (on my sansa e200) that the original firmware loads?
17:46:34schrottplatzonly when i press a key rockbox should start
17:46:58rasherNot without building your own, or finding someone who's already done so.
17:47:10rasherWhich is unsupported
17:48:00schrottplatz:(
17:48:08schrottplatzok thank you
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17:49:35funmanhello
17:49:39saratogafunman: can I ask you about the iram patch you sent
17:49:48saratogawhat does that actually do?
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17:50:53funmanput core functions in iram on the clip & m200v4
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17:51:24funmanit will define ICONST IBSS IDATA ICODE etc attributes
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17:51:42saratogafubman: why the check for !CODEC and !PLUGIN?
17:52:49funmanwe don't use these attributes for codecs since they are already fully in IRAM, and there's not enough room for plugins
17:53:00saratogaah ok
17:53:21funmanperhaps we could find some room for plugins but this is not a big deal
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17:54:00funmanI received an answer from AMS, they are ok to collaborate with us, but the AS353x spec is not ready, and they want to see a as352x demo first
17:54:15funmannot sure what to tell them except "go buy a clipv1"
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17:55:03saratogafunman: did bagder contact them?
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17:57:46saratogafunman: has bagder asked them? i believe he had contacts there who were familar with what we do
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18:01:25funmani started the contact and put bagder in CC asking him to reply, i'm not sure if he did already
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18:09:07funmanAMS quotes:
18:09:12funman > I would appreciate to see first a rockbox on the AS352x and discuss the AS353x in a second step. > Are they interest porting rockbox on the AS352x as a free demo SW for our upcoming Starter Kit implementation?
18:10:25rasherooh, interesting
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18:11:53funmanand answer sent
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18:20:14funmansaratoga: thanks for committing the Clip patches. Are you using a Clip or another device ?
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18:31:20FlynDicefunman: saratoga: I'm beginning to think our mmu problem on the ams sansas could actually be an lcd_framebuffer problem. Most of the other arm-mmu targets seem to have a TTB_LCDBUFFER type area reserved in their *.lds files. Can we locate the framebuffer at the end of DRAM along with the TTB somehow? Any other thoughts?
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18:38:21schrottplatz_wtf?
18:38:42schrottplatz_i did http://e200.digerati1338.googlepages.com/reversebl
18:40:07schrottplatz_[INFO] Bootloader ReverseBL-2007-12-14.mi4 written to device.
18:40:14schrottplatz_but it doesnt work :/
18:40:27rasherI suggest you contact the author, then.
18:40:50schrottplatz_ok
18:40:52schrottplatz_thx
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19:08:37serial_Hello! Does RockBox work with the new iPod Nano?
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19:10:12LambdaCalculus37No.
19:10:30serial_Okey.
19:10:42serial_Will it every do?
19:11:26LambdaCalculus37We don't know. Only when someone starts porting to it.
19:13:18serial_Okey
19:13:37serial_Is there any other software for the new iPod Nano that has Speed Pitch and/or BPM counter?
19:13:46LambdaCalculus37None that we know of.
19:14:08serial_okok
19:14:20serial_or maybe a software that you can use to "tap" out the BPM...?
19:14:33LambdaCalculus37Again, we don't know.
19:14:38LambdaCalculus37Ask Google.
19:15:35*DerPapst has a dejavù :)
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19:19:34LambdaCalculus37I got a donated Sansa c250 a couple of weeks ago. Any devs looking for one>
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19:19:43LambdaCalculus37It's a v1.
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19:38:37schrottplatzare there any good leagl games for rockbox?
19:38:53schrottplatzwhich arent installed
19:38:53rasherschrottplatz: plugins > games
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22:06:12froggymanCarnif3X are you here?
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22:10:17froggymanCarnif3X are you on?
22:11:31froggymanwhats the most common programming editot used by rockbox devs?
22:12:11Bagderemacs and vim I would guess
22:15:22froggymanthanks
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22:18:27froggymanI know the the malloc() function was diasabled for all rockbox players, but why is this and what does it do
22:18:53Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc
22:20:38pixelmadoes the M:Robe remote have a hold switch (which state can also be detected by Rockbox)? Testing in a M:Robe100 sim, it doesn't look like it is but thought maybe kkurbjun's work in the M:Robe500 context might have changed things and wasn't yet applied to the M:R100 port or something
22:21:10bluebrotherit is not disabled. It's not present
22:21:35pixelmaaha, thanks
22:21:40kkurbjunpixelma, I think the remote on the mr500 and 100 might be the same or interchangable
22:21:45kkurbjunI don't remember though
22:22:29pixelmaI somehow thought it was, but don't know for sure either
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22:23:46kkurbjunthe stuff that I'm doing on the MR500 isn't really setup for the 100 though, It could probably be made into a more generic driver and combined if the remotes are the same
22:24:04bluebrotherpixelma: that wasn't directed to you in case I caused confusion ...
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22:25:24pixelmaoh, I really thought it was directed at me (could have been an answer and IIRC you have a M:R100)
22:26:22bluebrotherbut the mr100 does have a hold switch
22:26:43kkurbjunit does look like you should be able to use the mr500 remote on the 100
22:26:48pixelmayes, what about its remote though?
22:26:50kkurbjunfrom what wikipedia says
22:26:54bluebrotherno idea about the remote
22:27:34*bluebrother is confused
22:27:58pixelmaI think roolku had such a remote with him at last year's DevCon
22:28:27kkurbjunThis page indicates that they should be compatible too: http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archived_accessories.asp?id=1145&ct=all
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22:29:15kkurbjunIfF someone knows how to access the uart on the mr100 chipset, the MR500 work could apply
22:30:23kkurbjunthose remotes are much cheaper on ebay, I think I bought one for 5$ new from the olympus store
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22:32:36pixelmaI thought roolku started coding remote support but could be misremembering
22:33:58kkurbjunthe 500 uses the remote reasonably well, the lcd updates don't always work perfect, but it's definitely usable
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22:38:43pixelmadidn't it also have some fixed icons?
22:41:17pixelmathe remote display I mean (a "bitmap" part and some extra icons)
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22:41:25kkurbjunyep, it has a battery icon and a fixed text that says random
22:41:46kkurbjunI have not added useful support for those yet
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23:06:22pablo_zzzhola. sorry for me bad english. Um, just wondering, do any of you working on the new iPods, like the ones that can't be hacked? tnks
23:07:20pablo_zzzanyone?
23:07:35bertrikpablo_zzz, I don't have an ipod so I don't follow ipod development that closely, but as far as I know there's basically nothing happening regarding newer ipods
23:08:06pablo_zzzoh thats too bad
23:08:33pablo_zzzits juts been two years, so I thought i would check :}
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23:09:50pablo_zzzanything I can do to speed the process?
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23:11:47bertrikas far as I know, the problem is that the apple firmware is encrypted, so we can't run our own firmware
23:12:51bertrikso unless you are a encryption wizard, there's probably little you can do to help
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23:27:35froggymanI was reading this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins and on one link that say a compiling envirnment it links to the VMware, now my question is do you need VMware or would cygwin or coliux work as well?
23:27:59Bagdereither one
23:28:16Bagdervmware will give you the fastest option though
23:28:31Bagderor rather, native linux is the fastest
23:29:09rashercolinux might be faster than vmware, depending on your cpu, probably
23:29:41Bagderbut colinux is rarely used for rockbox, so I would expects quirks
23:29:57n1salthough a lot fewer people use colinux for rockbox so there would be less people able to help you if you run into trouble using colinux
23:30:06*n1s is slow
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23:31:48froggymanok thanks, i know that cygwin is slow compared to linux and VMware, but its easiest in my case because i use a shared pc, just wanted to be sure that cygwin would work
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23:40:30*bluebrother spots a bug with theme installation
23:41:15bluebrotheror some "misalignment" between t.r.o and rbutil to be more exact
23:42:57rasherIn which way?
23:43:55bluebrotherselect Ipod Mini 2G. It requests rbutilqt.php?target=ipodmini2g. Result: no themes found. Change to mini, target becomes ipodmini, one theme found.
23:44:26rasheroh ah
23:45:15bluebrotherI bet the same would happen for fmrecorder8mb
23:45:43rasherWe really need to straighten this crap out
23:46:38bluebrotheryep. Though it isn't an issue with fmrecorder8mb and ipodvideo64mb
23:46:50rasherDecide on a "one true way" and start aligning everything with it
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23:51:31rasherBagder: still around?
23:51:50Bagderyeps
23:52:25rasherWhat say you about fixing the whole "target name" thing? Make everything similar and set up a "one true targetname"
23:52:39Bagdersounds like a plan!
23:52:52rasherPersonally I think we should go ahead an rename everything to company+modelname, but I guess we could be gentle and only rename stuff that's ambigous
23:53:10rasherDoes anything actually depend on these names, other than what we can fix?
23:54:27Bagderwe can fix them all
23:54:31rasherAnd then +Xmb for the different-ram builds *only* to be used on build download pages
23:55:55bluebrotherwhen going for it I'd say rename everything. It's more breakage, but if we don't do it now things can still get ambigous later −− and we need to break things anyway
23:56:27Bagderyes, I think I agree with that
23:56:48rasherThe names do get rather long (archosfmrecorder8mb), but that's not really a problem as far as I can tell
23:56:52bluebrothermaybe go with a naming scheme manufacturer-model-generation-extrastuff
23:57:06rasherIs that necessary?
23:57:19Bagderwe do have short names today for a reason...
23:57:38bluebrotherto have it short? ;-)
23:57:46Bagderexactly!
23:58:03bluebrotherwe can still have short names, but we need consistent unique names here
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