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#rockbox log for 2009-04-24

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00:03:15iWant_to_hacki used the ipodpatcher file and it wont run
00:03:30iWant_to_hacki want to modify the appearance of it
00:03:39linuxstbThe appearance of ipodpatcher?
00:03:57iWant_to_hackappearance of ipod firmware...
00:03:58bluebrotheryou can't modify the appearance of the Ipod using Rockbox. You can replace the firmware, but that will also change the functionality
00:04:17linuxstbiWant_to_hack: ipodwizard does what you want.
00:04:30iWant_to_hackwhere can i find that?
00:04:34bluebrotheron the web
00:04:48iWant_to_hackjust google "ipodwizard"?
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00:14:12g3nocidewhat's the IDE of choice for rockbox development ?
00:14:32bertrikyour own personal favourite text editor
00:14:42g3nocidecool
00:15:07g3nocidebuilt on linux or windows ?
00:15:15bluebrotheryour choice
00:15:20g3nocideonce again, nice
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00:15:40bluebrotheryou can use cygwin for building, linux or a vm
00:15:54g3nocidei run linux on my laptop
00:16:02bluebrotherthough I'd strongly suggest using a native linux installation as cygwin is noticably slower
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00:16:57domonokyg3nocide: so just get rockboxs svn, run rockboxdev.sh to get the compilers, and hack away :-)
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00:18:29bluebrotheryou might want to check the "for developers" section in the wiki (first?)
00:18:36g3nocidegood idea
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01:32:57darkhamgreat, i look on youtube a clip with a rockboxed fuze it seems to work not so bad.... if rockbox crashes, the player can be rebooted without problems?
01:35:03Unhelpfuli would *strongly* suggest that you choose a supported target if you want to listen to music and not work on development.
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04:31:28bignosefor months now, the Rockbox wiki has been giving “403 Forbidden” responses
04:31:47bignoseI first noticed when the 3.0 release notes were inaccessible, and it's been true for each release since then
04:31:58bignoseI tried reporting it to the mailing list each time, but the message never appeared
04:32:04bignoseso I'm reporting it here.
04:32:54bignosenow I notice that it's not just the release notes, but *everything* in the wiki
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04:33:04bignosebut everything else on the rockbox.org site is fine that I can see.
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04:34:32Unhelpfulthe wiki works fine...
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04:35:51bignoseall I ever get from it are “403 Forbidden” response pages.
04:36:08bignosethis wasn't the case early last year, but has been the case for months.
04:36:22Unhelpfulso this doesn't work? rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
04:36:36vedlithseems to work fine for me
04:36:53bignoseUnhelpful: yep, that URL gives a 403 Forbidden page: “You don't have permission to access /twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex on this server.”
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04:38:05Unhelpfulperhaps you're behind a proxy, or something, that hase a problem? the site seems to work fine for others.
04:38:19bignosethe proxy works fine to everything else
04:38:31bignoseand also works fine to any non-wiki part of the rockbox site
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04:38:51bignosethe response page I'm getting is from the rockbox site.
04:39:07bignose“Apache Server at www.rockbox.org Port 80” in the footer.
04:39:18vedlithsome junk in .htaccess maybe ?
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04:40:43bignoseif someone wants to check the server logs, the IP address should be the same as the IP address of this IRC connection.
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05:56:27fenugrecthere's a small problem (it seems) with build 20777 : I run configure and select Target #58 (Sansa FUZE), after compiling, the file rockbox-info.txt says "Target id:53 ..."
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06:13:14fenugrecquite a critical problem
06:13:19fenugrecI'll check it out tomorrow.
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07:14:58GrahackHi, I'm introducing myself to be able to edit the wiki. I just registered.
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07:15:45GrahackSo "Hi everyone, I'm ChristopheGragnic" :)
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08:20:10amiconnHmm, very interesting. Rockbox plays freeformat mp3 files
08:20:52amiconnJust the bitrate display in the wps and info screen is wrong. It always displays 448kbps instead of the actual bitrate
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08:22:06*amiconn tried 350, 400 and 500kbps mp3 created with lame
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08:45:59amiconnLlorean: Did you test seeking in your long mp3 file on hwcodec?
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09:17:20id3tagscan rockbox read all flavours of ID3v2, i.e. ID3v2.3, and v2.4 ?.
09:18:03id3tagsmoooning
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09:22:05espereguHi! I wondered if this scandisk is supported: http://www.ibood.com/nl/nl/product_specs.php
09:22:09espereguif so it might be nice deal!
09:22:19esperegusorry. sansa
09:23:05B4gdernot it isn't, that's a Sansa Connect
09:25:36id3tags*prods gently*
09:26:50espereguto bad.
09:26:59espereguwould have been a good deal!
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09:27:13B4gderget it and get the rockbox port going on it!
09:27:24esperegugues there are still no players in productions that are supported right?
09:27:31BigBambinot currently
09:27:33espereguB4gder: I am just a stupud user ;-)
09:27:54espereguI don't understand that suppliers don't do the port themselves.
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09:27:58id3tagsB4gder; can rockbox read all flavours of ID3v2, i.e. ID3v2.3, and v2.4 ?.
09:28:03esperegusure a lot of users here would by them
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09:30:29LinusNid3tags: rockbox should read all flavours of id3v2
09:31:19*GodEater falls of his chair.
09:31:23id3tagsah, the big boss himself, many thanks
09:31:24GodEaterLinusN - long time no see ;)
09:31:50LinusNGodEater: been lurking here for ages, but not much activity on my part, sorry
09:31:57id3tagsbeen fishing ?
09:32:16LinusNhehe, just busy, mostly
09:32:25GodEaterLinusN: That's ok - just good to hear from you :)
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09:34:31id3tagsthanks
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09:44:34B4gderI'm quite sure we always used that mailman page for the rockbox ml
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10:21:56LinusNB4gder: but you could still subscribe by email, couldn't you?
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10:24:07BagderI believe so, yes
10:24:18Bagderbut I don't recall us ever advertising that
10:25:47LinusNi believe we did it that way in the very old days
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10:28:29*petur was suggesting that ;)
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11:10:52B4gderquite clearly
11:11:39B4gderall sim-related
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11:30:26kugelZagor: the irc reader seems to have problems with the formatting used by CIA
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11:49:13pixelmathat's what the raw logs are good for ;)
11:50:12pixelmaalthough it shows it slightly wrong too, but not as bad as the reader
11:51:22kugelthey're equally bad here
11:51:31kugelboth show the same squares for me
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11:53:14pixelmafor me the raw log only has a 03 in front of the committer's name, nothing else
11:54:17B4gderthen you just don't see the binary 3 and 0xf ones
11:54:45B4gder0x03 03 [nick] 0x0f
11:55:30pixelmain current.txt?
11:55:34B4gderyes
11:56:48pixelmaaha, Firefox seems to skip them, but only in the raw logs
11:57:03B4gderI use firefox too...
11:57:08*kugel too
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15:18:55froggymanwhats the difference between a .patch file and a .diff ?
15:19:17Bagdernone
15:19:53LambdaCalculus37The file extension.
15:20:10LambdaCalculus37Other than that, they're the same thing.
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15:32:16froggymanok thanks
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15:48:29froggymanthere should really be a list of different media managing software on the wiki
15:50:12martian67add one
15:50:48froggymanok i will
15:51:30froggymanbut i dont know how to open a new wiki page, i can edit them
15:51:57pixelmathere's a UsefulTools page, maybe a start?
15:52:51froggymanahh, good point, didnt notice that page
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15:58:57Bawitdabawow my rockbox for the first time works with my panasonic surround sound dock
15:59:09Bawitdabaawsome job with the protocol :P
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16:00:03Bawitdabayeah 5.5g 80gb
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16:00:57evilnick_7Do you have a link to the dock that you're using?
16:01:09evilnick_7And do all the controls work, or just the volume?
16:03:10Bawitdabaall the controls work from the remote yeah
16:03:15Bawitdabasec lemme get a link
16:04:55Bawitdabahttp://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Video/DVD-Recorders-Players/DVD-Home-Theater-Systems/model.SC-PT960_11002_7000000000000005702
16:05:02Bawitdabanot a very short link lol
16:05:42Bawitdabaits never worked with rockbox before, but i think it had to do with the fact that it sends a tiny panasonic logo with the handshake
16:05:53Bawitdababut it works awsome now
16:06:13evilnick_7Wow, that's not cheap!
16:06:40Bawitdabawas $400 at the time i got it on 8/21/2008
16:06:54Bawitdababut i didnt get it for just a ipod dock lol
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16:08:27evilnick_7Heh, glad that it's working for you.
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16:11:15DomenicoDiMisaHello. i'm DomenicoDiMisa and i'm an happy italian user of Rockbox. I made a .fmr file and i want to upload it to the wiki. Can you give me write permission? Thanks
16:12:41peturDomenicoDiMisa: done
16:12:55DomenicoDiMisaHelloù
16:13:02DomenicoDiMisaHello
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16:17:55linuxstb"Please don't ask a question if you can't wait for an answer."
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16:28:30amiconnlinuxstb: Happens all the time. See today's log 05:56..06:13
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16:31:23peturhaha
16:31:25petur06.13.14 # <fenugrec> quite a critical problem
16:31:25petur06.13.19 # <fenugrec> I'll check it out tomorrow.
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16:31:33peturvery critical :)
16:32:11amiconnThing is, it's not a problem at all. target id != menu item number. Simple as that.
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17:01:21kugelbacklight code is a mess
17:02:32LambdaCalculus37kugel: Better sweep it up. :)
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17:11:12kugelwhy the hell are there 15 different default values (different for backlight, remote backlight and button light, different for plugged, on hold etc)
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17:11:33kugel15 is a rough approximate :)
17:12:00*kugel would change everything to 1 value, 15s f.e.
17:12:21LloreanWhy?
17:12:28kugeltotally inconsistent
17:12:36LloreanInconsistent with what, exactly?
17:13:00kugelthe backlight & buttonlight timeouts are inconsistent to hell
17:13:08LloreanInconsistent with _what_?
17:13:26*kugel doesn't understand Llorean question
17:13:37Llorean"Inconsistent" on its own doesn't mean anything.
17:13:48kugelthey are all different
17:13:58LloreanSo the problem that they're different is bad because they're different?
17:14:07kugelbecause it's inconsistent
17:14:13LloreanOkay, stop
17:14:28LloreanIf you're saying "they're inconsistent with each other" it simply means "they're different from each other"
17:14:36LloreanSo, "they're different, and it's bad because they're different"
17:14:44LloreanThat's why I asked "inconsistent with what?"
17:14:49LloreanYou're basically saying "it's bad because it's bad"
17:15:00kugelhave you something useful to tell me instead of being picky again?
17:15:10pixelmathere are different timeouts, different display types, different types of backlight, different types of fading
17:15:32Lloreankugel: I'm being picky because you're the one complaining that they're bad simply for being bad.
17:16:27Lloreankugel: It's a circular definition, it doesn't work. I could say "all of our screens look inconsistent" but that's pointless - they need to be because they serve different purposes
17:16:38LloreanWhich is why I was asking what "consistent" reference you were trying to compare to.
17:16:46kugelOKAY
17:17:58kugelspeaks anything a against a non-different default timeout?
17:18:19LloreanCould you rephrase that? I don't know what you're asking there.
17:18:38kugeldoes anything speak against changing the default timeouts to be the same for everything?
17:19:02LloreanWell, they're different because some people thought they should be different.
17:19:21LloreanWhy should they be the same?
17:19:22kugelI don't think so
17:19:38Lloreankugel: You don't think someone chose those values?
17:19:43LloreanWhat happened, the compiler wrote them?
17:19:48kugellol
17:19:55pixelmaI guess the developer which did the port chose the one he thought is best
17:19:55kugelyou're an idiot, sometimes
17:20:03pixelmafor this target
17:20:22markunpixelma: I hope he's not talking to you :)
17:20:39pixelmakugel: and you go off for nothing in a first reaction
17:20:46pixelmasometimes ;)
17:21:16kugellet's ask Zagor (who made a change to the defaults for 3.1 or something), if he *intentionally* *only* changed the normal backlight default timeout to 15
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17:21:32Lloreankugel: You're not talking about a single timeout
17:21:43LloreanYou suggested the backlight, button light, hold on, and power cable inserted should all be the same
17:21:50kugelright
17:22:14pixelmakugel: I really think that e.g. pitch black type displays can have a different timeout than greyscale ones, or buttonlights
17:22:40LloreanAnd a shorter timeout on hold (or none) as a default might make much better sense than the default (whatever it may be)
17:22:53LloreanEspecially for targets that can be seen without backlight.
17:24:03LloreanThe default while charging is probably best as "always on". This helps demonstrate that the behaviour *can* be different in these situations, as well as being ones that probably aren't bad behaviour.
17:24:03kugelpixelma: Actually, the timeout for pitch black and those which you can read without backlight isn't different right now
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17:24:44kugelLlorean: on hold doesn't have a seperate timeout, sorry if I mixed that in
17:25:08pixelmamaybe it is, but I just wanted to say that there can be reasons to have them different
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17:26:05kugelit's mainly about main screen vs remote, charging vs non-charging and mixtures of those
17:26:45Lloreanmain screen and remote should probably have identical defaults at least
17:26:55kugeland maybe buttonlight (I remember we talked about raising the default too when it was changed recently, but no-one did it)
17:27:04LloreanCharging vs non-charging should (in my mind) be different so people are likely to notice the behaviour can be different.
17:27:07Lssim having an odd problem with displaying the day of the week on the now playing screen
17:27:17Lssit seems to be showing 2 days prior
17:27:28Lssexample wed when its actually friday
17:27:35LloreanLss: With what revision and what player?
17:27:38pixelmaLss: what target?
17:28:03Lssipod 5.5g latest
17:28:10Lssworks on the sim
17:28:33Lss%ca < what i used
17:31:27Lssoh by latest i mean as of yesterday
17:31:47kugelthis is what I mean: http://pastie.org/457125
17:32:05Fancy0who has Onda PMP
17:32:55pixelmakugel: I don't know what the default c200 buttonlight timeout is (because I usually turn it off or set it to the shortest possible) but I would like it to be different from the main backlight timeout. The OF has the same for both and doesn't let you set it, so my first thought is that it would be nice that a new user could see that they can be different (not a strong opinion though)
17:35:05kugelLlorean: that doesn't make sense for me. different values to give the user a hint that there are settings?
17:36:11kugelchose weird defaults to force users to explore how they can change it??
17:36:23BigBambiI think it'd mqke more sense to hqve it onb for longer when chqrging just becquse there is power
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17:37:20*pixelma tries to swap BigBambi's keyboard (automagically for the one his fingers expect ;) )
17:37:25BigBambibut that isn't to do with to shoz they are different, just because we don't have to worry so much about power
17:37:41BigBambipixelma: Many thanks, but a lost cause I fear :)
17:38:16*kugel doesn't see a real reason to have then different
17:38:22saratogaon charging, maybe a couple minute time out would be nice, just so that the light isn't on always
17:38:52kugelthem*
17:39:15pixelmaanother reason for my opinion about the c200 buttonlight timeout is that I like it to be shorter (it's quite bright and close to the display so a bit disturbing when you look at it, and eats quite a bit of power)
17:39:36BigBambikugel: As in my opinion it is nice to have it on longer (for various reasons), and when plugged we can do as we don't have to worry about battery life
17:39:43pixelmathere is a reason I sually turn it off
17:39:49pixelmausually too
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17:54:17*domonoky doesnt understand, whats is bad with different defaults on different targets ?
17:54:19pixelmaLss: did you check your time and date settings on the target? Is the weekday off there too?
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17:56:37Lss<pixelma> Lss: did you check your time and date settings on the target? Is the weekday off there too? < date and month is good
17:56:42Lssi have them in a row
17:56:47Lssdate (day of week)
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17:58:30pixelmaI don't mean in the WPS (or didn't understand your answer)
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18:00:00Lssyes its good
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18:14:03Lsscan the issue be reproduced?
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18:34:37DomenicoDiMisaHello, I'm Domenico Di Misa from Italy. I made a .fmr file and i want to upload to the wiki. can you give me the permissions to do that? Thanks
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18:35:31BigBambiDomenicoDiMisa: You already were earlier
18:35:40BigBambi[16:13:20] <petur> DomenicoDiMisa: done
18:35:55DomenicoDiMisaThanks
18:36:24DomenicoDiMisabye
18:36:29BigBambicheerio
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19:07:38rockboxhello
19:07:47rockboxi need some help...e
19:08:38BigBambibest ask a question then
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19:09:58rockboxok where can i find the defaultfile for a Sandisk sansa E250?
19:10:11rockboxlike i forgot to back them up
19:10:16BigBambidefault file?
19:10:21rockboxyeah
19:10:41scorchewhat is a default file?
19:10:44BigBambiI meant what is that?
19:11:11rockboxlike the way the device was before i got rockbox
19:11:20rockboxthose files.....
19:11:30rockboxminus my music
19:11:48BigBambiSo you want to uninstall Rockbox?
19:11:56rockboxyeah.....
19:12:09BigBambiWhat you are searching for is the "original firmware" or "Sandisk firmware"
19:12:18rockboxok
19:12:23BigBambiI guess you had better have a look on the net
19:12:30rockboxkk i will go google it
19:12:30BigBambiWe aren't allowed to redistribute them
19:12:39rockboxoh...
19:12:40BigBambiHow did you install?
19:12:43rockboxok thanks anyway
19:12:49rockboxinstal rockbox?
19:12:53BigBambiyes
19:13:01rockboxthe rockbox utility thing
19:13:11BigBambiDoesn't that do it for you?
19:13:18rockboxhmmmm
19:13:20BigBambiWhy not try uninstall from Rockbox Utility
19:13:24rockboxlet me check
19:13:39rockboxi'm sorry i'm a total noob when it comes to this...
19:13:42BigBambiYou know Rockbox Utility has uninstall funcionality right?
19:13:49rockboxi do now...
19:13:51BigBambiThe manual does state this
19:13:59rockboxtheres a manual?
19:14:01BigBambiUnder the "Uninstallation" section
19:14:09rockboxfuck i am stupid....
19:14:18BigBambirockbox: Yes, follow the link marked "Manual" on every page of www.rockbox.org
19:14:49rockboxthanks, for all the help
19:14:53BigBambino problem
19:15:37rockboxdo i have to remove the bootloader first?
19:15:48BigBambiIT should do that for you I believe
19:18:02rockboxok it works now thanks so much.
19:18:08BigBambiyou are welcome
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20:03:47BigBambiWhat is the standard practice for the theme site in this case - my attention has been drawn to a theme with an incorrect theme .cfg - hide it and send a mail to the creator asking them to fix?
20:04:58Bagdersounds like a good approach to me
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20:05:12BigBambiOK
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22:08:29saratogaany rbutil people around?
22:13:40*domonoky wakes up..
22:16:17saratogadomonoky: can you tell me a little bit about rbutil development?
22:16:27saratogahow do I actually compile it?
22:16:36domonokyon which plattform ?
22:16:51saratogalinux
22:17:08domonokygenerally its just "qmake && make" in the rbutilqt folder.
22:17:26domonokybut you need to have Qt-dev installed, of course
22:17:29saratogai don't make a build a folder for it?
22:17:53domonokynope.
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22:20:14saratogalibqt4?
22:20:46*domonoky isnt sure, but you need the -dev package ofcourse.
22:21:00saratogaone way to find out
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22:55:27froggymanwith the 240GB ipod that a few people currently have, what is the thickness of it?
22:57:03LloreanThat's not really a question about Rockbox development or support.
22:57:35evilnick_7The drive itself is 8mm and it's the standard dual platter sized iPod casing: http://www.rapidrepair.com/shop/3119-hard-drive-disk-mk2431gah.html
22:59:23froggymanLlorean: well i thought it would be considered hardware support, but if it isnt i wont ask questions regarding this in the future
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22:59:54evilnick_7froggyman: #rockbox-community is probably better for those questions
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23:00:43froggymanok, thanks
23:01:03Lloreanfroggyman: General hardware support (questions that are independent of Rockbox) don't belong in here.
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23:01:28LloreanThe physical dimensions of the hardware are completely independent of the installed software.
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23:23:10Bensawsomehey guys. I have my sansa e280R and I saw that it support usb now :D but it only uses rockbox for the usb connection if it is already on. if i plug it in while off it goes to the default firmware... is there a bootloader or whatever update to fix that?
23:24:01evilnick_7Bensawsome: Yes there is, but it's not part of the official RBUtil program yet.
23:24:25Bensawsomehmmm ok :/
23:25:19Bensawsomelol its been so long since i did that.... 3 years ago i think... lol
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23:27:17Bensawsomeevilnick_7 so I have to do the "manual" installion?
23:27:26Bensawsomeif i could only spell....
23:27:40LloreanThe e200R bootloader install isn't supported by RBUtil anyway
23:28:01Bensawsomeoh ok
23:28:37evilnick_7Bensawsome: My apologies. I forgot that e200*R* isn't supported.
23:28:45evilnick_7(by RBUtil)
23:28:54Bensawsomeya its fine... i didnt do the original installion of it that way anyways
23:29:23Bensawsomehmmm so i just need the bootloader right?
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23:31:00LloreanYou need a modified bootloader.
23:31:20LloreanI'm not sure if the SVN code contains the change or not, honestly, but there's bootloaders on flyspray if you search.
23:31:29evilnick_7Bensawsome: I wouldn't necessarily recommend this, but here is where the new bootloaders are: rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9955
23:31:51Bensawsomeoh >_> ok.... ummm so I cant just follow what it says here? rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2">http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2
23:32:55evilnick_7I don't think that sansapatcher contains the newer bootloaders
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23:33:06GodEaterit definitely doesn't
23:33:29Bensawsomedarn ok
23:34:07Bensawsomedo you know if they are going to be updated eventually?
23:34:33LloreanEventually, yes.
23:34:45LloreanIt will be necessary when we release a version with USB enabled.
23:34:52Bensawsomeah ok
23:34:54LloreanBut sansapatcher isn't used for the e200R either.
23:35:22evilnick_7According to the manual page Bensawsome linked, it is
23:35:29Bensawsomeoh... i could have sworn i used it last time.... guess not... ok well i guess ill
23:35:39Lloreanevilnick_7: There's a big red notice at the top of that chapter telling you that the e200R uses different directions.
23:35:55BensawsomeAH jease i need to look
23:36:02evilnick_7"If all has gone well, you should see some information displayed about your e200 *and e200R Series* and a message asking you if you wish to install the Rockbox bootloader" <−− this should be changed then
23:36:29Lloreanevilnick_7: You shouldn't even be *reading* that if you've followed prior instructinos.
23:36:29Bensawsomelol wiki fail >_<
23:37:04evilnick_7I see. I didn't read from the top of the page.
23:37:13Bensawsomeya me niether :/
23:37:16LloreanI'll admit it's an error, but my guess is that it's on the assumption that one day the instructions will be unified, and until then anybody actually reading the chapter with an e200R won't see it anyway.
23:37:32LloreanIt's really a good idea to read *everything* rather than trying to skip ahead. :-P
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23:38:16Bensawsomeok... so i need to do this: rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows
23:38:27Bensawsomecause i have already patched the original firmware
23:39:02LloreanSince you already have the OF.mi4 on there, you just need to install an updated bootloader.
23:39:14*Llorean thinks he already said you just need the modified bootloader.
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23:39:34Bensawsomeok so the current pp5022.mi4 is the current rockbox bootloader?
23:39:43Bensawsomethat makes sense ^_^
23:41:43*evilnick_7 thinks that the clue is in the word "current" ;)
23:42:34Bensawsomelol sorry im just quadruple checking everything.... im probably not going to get a new mp3 player for atleast another year or two :/
23:43:31evilnick_7Bensawsome: Checking everything is entirely the right attitude to have
23:43:41Bensawsometrue dat ;)
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23:51:01Bensawsomewait i thought you had to go to the ummm recovery mode or something in order to install the mi4 files?
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