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#rockbox log for 2009-04-27

00:01:34Bagderhttp://www.barnzi.co.uk/images/rockbox_banner.gif
00:01:37Bagder:-P
00:02:17fenugrechmm, build 20808 plays nicely on Fuze, but some MP3s appear as 'untagged' in the database (I think this is already being worked on ?)
00:02:46kugelthat's your file's fault
00:03:06fenugrecah, but when the file gets played the WPS can read the tags
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00:05:23fenugrecoops
00:05:34fenugrecI'm 100% wrong, it -is- a problem with my files.
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00:08:24kugelwindows, mac and linux 32bit downloads don't work, is that because the mirrors aren't sync'd yet?
00:09:23Bagderyes
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00:12:25*bluebrother is surprised that mirrors need to sync :P
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00:24:52der|hi, I've made a small script that might be interesting to you guys
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01:09:39JdGordondo our ipod tools format a new ipod or do i have to restore it with itunes?
01:09:46JdGordonnew disk that is...
01:10:29scorcheJdGordon: IpodManualRestore includes instructions on formatting, etc, though itunes is still easier
01:10:49JdGordonitunes didnt pick it up for some reason...
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01:56:26JdGordonanyone know what version of the ipod protocol we pretend to do?
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01:56:42JdGordonmy stupid av reciever wont talk to my mini because it reckons its not supported
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02:01:33fenugrecI'm still getting familiar with Rockbox's sources - when on a menu screen, does the firmware poll for buttons and react accordingly or is it interrupt-driven ?
02:03:44kugelpolling
02:03:47kugelwell
02:03:58kugelit depends on the target, but on the fuze it's polling
02:04:05fenugrecdoes it happen in target-specific code or more in the /apps/ section
02:04:08fenugrecok
02:04:10kugele200v1 is mostly interrupt driven
02:04:24kugelfirmware/target mostly
02:04:40saratogaJdGordon: is the mini supported for apple's protocol?
02:04:59JdGordoni dont know
02:05:05*JdGordon assumed they all were
02:05:14saratogaoriginally I think it was only the 5G and nano
02:05:18saratogabut i'm not sure
02:06:01scorcheAAP started with the 3rd gen ipods, but some of the more advanced features werent implemented there
02:06:22saratogaI mean which ipods have it in rockbox
02:06:47JdGordonits enabled in the mini's config...
02:07:00JdGordonso, I'm wondering what I need to fiddle with to make it think its a 5g
02:07:59JdGordonis the protocol documented anywhere? (obvioulsy not the real docs.. RE'd docs)
02:08:03scorchehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8624
02:08:09saratogai don't think the generation matters, just I wasn't sure if it was supported in the mini, i know the original commit did not include the 4G for instance
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02:08:41scorcheJdGordon: http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
02:09:13JdGordonta
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02:09:38scorcheapparently it only works on the video and nano at the moment
02:10:36JdGordonapparently?
02:10:51saratogai think the 4G was added lately
02:10:56scorchecould be
02:11:09scorcheat the time of commit that was all that worked, at least
02:13:06JdGordonoh bloody hell... i was looking at the wrong #define :p
02:13:09saratogathe mini config file does not have the accessory protocol enabled
02:13:12saratogabah too late
02:13:51saratogasince it works on the PP5020 and 5022 its probably just a matter of figure out which pins are wired where on the mini
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02:28:50JdGordonwell i guess it comes as no surprise that adding the model number check to serial.c for the mini doesnt magically make it work :p
02:31:17JdGordonalthough the system says unsupported and not "no device" so maybe it does?
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03:41:25fenugrecfor the Fuze, why does firmware/export/config-fuze.h define CPU_FREQ to 250MHz, but fw/target/arm/as3525/clock-target.h defines PLLA_FREQ as 248MHz, and CPUFREQ_MAX also as 248MHz?
03:42:01fenugrecI understand a 24MHz xtal drives a PLL (not sure which part of the firmware sets it, though)
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04:11:32fenugrecheh, a bit late perhaps. I'll be back tomorrow
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08:27:16Bagderrbutil 1.2.1 64bit linux, done
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09:16:03amiconnOur copy of unifont already has the unassigned/ private area glyphs filtered out for months...
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09:18:13B4gderwell this was a continuation from the discussion before
09:18:26B4gderI don't know the details though
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10:52:43Photoguy_somewheI'm taking apart my Sansa e200...
10:53:12Photoguy_somewheANd removing the memory module, and placing it in another e200 to transfer the files.
10:53:30Photoguy_somewheWould that have any side effects?
10:53:37Photoguy_somewheThey are both V1
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14:45:07LambdaCalculus37Trying to look for a sort of recovery mode on the Gigabeat T, and I can say that the method for the beast doesn't work (hold left on the D-pad+Windows key).
14:48:56linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Are there any PCB scans of the T? I'm wondering (hoping for your sake!) that there is some kind of ATA->FLASH controller, similar to the 1st gen nanos. If so, then the existing ATA driver should work.
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14:50:46LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: toffe82 took care of that; there's one on the GigabeatTPort wiki page.
14:52:37linuxstbThere isn't a GigabeatTPort page... But there's GigabeatTInfo
14:52:47LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Oops. :)
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16:32:16saratogai think its at least somewhat different hardware though
16:32:20saratogaops
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16:42:48LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Have you ever been able to find any sort of recovery mode on the Gigabeat T?
16:43:01LambdaCalculus37I tried the beast method; doesn't work.
16:43:29saratogaLambdaCalculus37: unfortunately not
16:43:55saratogai suppose you could try shorting the device enable pin on the flash chip, that worked for the e200v2
16:44:59LambdaCalculus37saratoga: I'll try that, but only if a Google search turns up nothing else.
16:45:09*LambdaCalculus37 should check Toshiba's website again
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17:23:23dfktare there any cases of the sansa clip battery overheating while connected via USB with rockbox?
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17:28:47LambdaCalculus37dfkt: Mine gets a little warm, but not hot.
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17:31:07dfktLambdaCalculus37, mine just died. it's really hot to the touch, but i suspect "normal" battery malfunction. not pointing fingers at rockbox, and i read on sandisk's forums that this happened to other people with the stock firmware as well. :p
17:32:58dfkts/and i read/and i just found
17:33:01dfktsorry for the panic post :p
17:33:17LambdaCalculus37dfkt: Don't worry about it. :)
17:33:27LambdaCalculus37That's a little strange, though.
17:34:10dfktit showed me the rockbox boot screen at connecting, then immediately turned off and got to about ~60°C or so
17:35:38evilnick_7dfkt: Died permanently or just turned off?
17:36:47dfktit doesn't turn on anymore, held the power slider for 15 sec, tried an AC USB charger as well
17:37:18dfktcracked it open, the battery is slowly cooling off
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17:40:48dfktbattery didn't bulge, explode, or leak... any chances of overcharge protection "reviving" itself with this hardware?
17:42:40LambdaCalculus37Possibly.
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17:43:41evilnick_7Can you link to the Sansa forum threads about this? Do they shed any light?
17:44:24dfktnot very useful: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clip&thread.id=10343
17:44:48dfktoh, f***... battery is cooled off now, but i feel the SOC is still really hot
17:45:39LambdaCalculus37That's not good. :(
17:46:17dfktis desoldering the battery a good idea? but i guess it's really too late anyways
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17:52:49LambdaCalculus37dfkt: You can try it; just be careful.
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17:55:54dfkti just desolder one contact, that should be enough
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17:59:44dfktok, the SOC cooled off instantly :p
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18:01:31dfktlookie here, it turns on again connected to USB without the battery
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18:05:03Dreamglidercan i install the default ipod-os if i were to regret installing Rockbox to the ipod ?
18:05:47agaffneyit's still there
18:05:58agaffneyyou can boot into it by holding down certain keys
18:06:02agaffneyI don't know which off the top of my head
18:06:21LambdaCalculus37agaffney: You turn the hold switch on at bootup on iPods.
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18:07:03LambdaCalculus37Dreamglider: You can easily dual boot between Rockbox and the iPod OS.
18:07:30Dreamglideris the OS stored on a chip or on the disk ?
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18:07:59LambdaCalculus37Dreamglider: It's on the hard drive, contained in a separate partition.
18:08:13DreamgliderOk.
18:09:32LambdaCalculus37All we do is just patch the bootloader so that Rockbox boots by default, but you can still dual-boot with the method I mentioned above.
18:12:55Dreamglidercan i install Rockbox to the ipod from Ubuntu ?
18:13:18Dreamglideri would like to give it a go.
18:13:23linuxstbDreamglider: Yes.
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18:14:47Dreamgliderlinuxstb: can you point me to a how-to ?
18:15:00linuxstbhttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
18:15:45LambdaCalculus37And also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
18:15:59linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: That's linked from the manual...
18:16:40LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: True, but best to give the link so he doesn't miss it.
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18:39:56lee321987mp3_enc.c & mp3_encoder.c Is there anyone here who has commited a change to either of these files since June of last year?
18:42:49lee321987I'm asking because there was a change made to one of these files at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17679 that helped a great deal to eliminate the DC offset that my DAP creates (when recording to MP3 format). I just noticed that the DC offset is back (don't know how long).
18:43:42evilnick_7Maybe you could do a binary search to narrow down which change brought this back.
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18:45:40lee321987don't know what you mean? Right now I'm making a list of all the changes, since June, that look (to me - with little C knowledge) like they might have effected this.
18:46:41evilnick_7You test the midway point between when it was working okay (17679) and the most recent build. If that is okay then take the midway point between that and the current build
18:47:35evilnick_7If that wasn't okay then you know that the change was somewhere between the bounds of 17679 and the midway point.
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18:49:07evilnick_7Here's a better explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search
18:49:13lee321987evilnick_7: ok. How do I download old versions? (I'm using SVN and Cygwin)
18:50:20evilnick_7I think that there's a method using SVN to specify which build revision to checkout.
18:51:32lee321987I'm using dial-up, so I'm hoping there is a way to download _only_ one old file.
18:51:50thegeekread the subversion documentation
18:51:57thegeekand yes there is
18:52:04thegeekI do it all the time with tortoisesvn
18:53:09*LambdaCalculus37 found the PID and VID for the Gigabeat T and posts them to the DeviceDetection page
18:58:24Grahackhi all, back again with my doc issues :)
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19:10:41MTlinuxstb : Hi, didn't merbanan mention that some fixed-point code was on svn ?
19:10:58MT*fixed-point cook code
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19:19:38bertrikhas there been any investigation on what type of LCD is used in the sansa c200v2?
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19:20:03LambdaCalculus37bertrik: None that I know of. Nothing in the logs?
19:20:30bertrikLambdaCalculus37, I'm searching the forums now, will have a look at the logs too
19:20:45linuxstbMT: No, I don't think anything was committed.
19:20:49LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Righto.
19:21:03*LambdaCalculus37 is busy checking out the Gigabeat T
19:21:03linuxstbMT: Congratulations on getting sound!
19:21:23LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Sound for RealAudio?
19:21:26MTlinuxstb : Thanks :)
19:21:39linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Just in MT's standalone test program (and still just floating point).
19:21:41LambdaCalculus37MT: Awesome job! Congrats! :)
19:21:59linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: He has to leave something for the summer.
19:22:07MTLambdaCalculus37 : Thanks :) .. everything is on the wiki by the way
19:22:32LambdaCalculus37MT: I'll check it out later.
19:23:00LambdaCalculus37Hmm... I wonder if it's a good idea to start creating a basic structure in the code for the T now, or to just wait.
19:24:06MTlinuxstb : I'm happy I've done this now because I don't know how much I could work during the finals .. but if I'm done with cook at an early point in time, I'll still have another few codecs to take care of :)
19:25:49MTlinuxstb : so to actually work with the patches I'll have to either apply them to a local copy of ffmpeg or to just take the code directly from the diff file ( hrader I believe) ?
19:27:30linuxstbMT: I think applying them to a local copy of ffmpeg, then copying into your code will be easiest.
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19:38:24kugelbertrik: what do you mean by which type of lcd?
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19:39:30bertrika type number, or a compatible type number, anything we need to know to write a driver for it
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19:40:37kugelI could maybe manage to write a lcd driver based off the disassembly, but there's no sense without testers
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19:48:59MTlinuxstb : I don't know if you noticed this, but constructing a scrambling unit takes up mermory, for example 22KB+ for a 96kbps sample I have, would this be a problem ?
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19:51:23bluebrotherdomonoky: for the ui rework it would be good to try using signals for the logger updates instead of passing the pointer around all time IMO. Any thoughts?
19:51:34linuxstbMT: No, that kind of memory should be fine.
19:51:52bluebrotherthat way we could also connect the signal to some other logger (like file logger) without problems.
19:51:56linuxstbMT: Do you need to memcpy the data before calling the decoder?
19:52:04domonokybluebrother: sounds good.
19:52:29MTlinuxstb : yes, I copy it to a smaller input buffer
19:52:29*bluebrother might have a go at changing the zip installer class
19:53:34MTlinuxstb : is it a problem ?
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19:54:32linuxstbMT: No, but it would be better (faster) if it was possible to avoid that.
19:56:45MTlinuxstb : I suppose I could just pass the whole scrambling unit to the decoder and make it advance through it in steps the size of a sub-packet, the decoder takes the input buffer size as an argument .. I'm not 100% sure though, I'll try it later.
19:57:05domonokybluebrother: and while you are reworking this zipinstaller class, move it to base/ :-)
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20:02:20bluebrotherdomonoky: once the GUI dependency is done, sure ;-)
20:02:35bluebrotherbut we shouldn't forget about the open patches in the tracker now the release is done
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20:06:11hillshumIs the known issues file supposed to be target specific?
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20:16:02hillshumShould KNOWN_ISSUES state which targets some bugs apply to?
20:17:34JdGordon|its people generated, probably, probably
20:17:43JdGordon|also.. its most liekly out of date already anyway
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20:18:19Heyois this channel active right now or have I come in the stagnant mid day hours?
20:18:45JdGordon|yes
20:18:48bluebrotherit's evening
20:19:05scorche|shit is also probably morning somewhere
20:19:15Heyotrue
20:19:22Heyo2:19 PM where I am
20:19:22gevaertsare you sure?
20:19:24BigBambitrue, but it is normally most active eu evening, which it is
20:20:57HeyoSo I'm at work right now, and can't really get to the forums, but I have a quick question which might be stupid, but I didn't see it in any of the FAQs, are the 1.8" hard drives in most HDD based players interchangable between most devices? I have a 120GB Zune but I would be willing to cannibalize it for something that can run RockBox.
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20:21:23BigBambisee www.rockbox.org/wiki/HArddriveReplacement
20:21:42BigBambier, HardDriveReplacement
20:22:10BigBambiThere are a few different interfaces, you need to make sure you have the right one
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20:23:04HeyoAny suggestions for a device which can use the Zune's hard drive? iPods are neat and all, but I want a player with the most features and functionality possible.
20:23:13Heyothanks for the link
20:23:13evilnick_7Heyo: I believe that the Zune drive will fit (in terms of physical dimensions _and_ interface) in some Rockboxable players but there are 2 different heights of 1.8" drives and a few different interfaces so the Wiki has the most information.
20:23:34hillshumDoes the Beast use the same drive?
20:23:44LambdaCalculus37It uses the same interface (ZIF).
20:23:54HeyoBeast?
20:24:01BigBambigigabeat S
20:24:02hillshumGigabeat S seris
20:24:03LambdaCalculus37Heyo: Our pet name for the Gigabeat S.
20:24:10Heyoah, gotcha
20:24:16HeyoThe "
20:24:16hillshumnot fully supported yet though
20:24:28HeyoBeast" as you put it is pretty similar to the Zune, isn't it?
20:24:36hillshumYes
20:24:47scorche|shthe first gen zune, at least
20:25:06Heyodoes it have any WiFi capabilities?
20:25:14scorche|shno...
20:25:51LambdaCalculus37That's the biggest difference... no WiFi in the beast.
20:26:01BigBambiand the ability to run Rockbox
20:26:15LambdaCalculus37That, too. :)
20:26:19HeyoGot it, what kind of RB features aren't supported by the Beast?
20:26:31BigBambinone
20:26:36BigBambiBut it isn't supported yet
20:26:43hillshumMicrosoft encrypted the Zune firmware and whatnot
20:26:44LambdaCalculus37Heyo: Everything works, but we have to finalize the install method and get the manual finished.
20:26:49BigBambii.e. the port isn't finished to the point where we support it
20:26:57scorche|shthese are all questions that can probably be answered by doing a bit of reading through the site...
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20:27:01hillshumthe install is still a bit tricky
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20:35:20hillshumHeyo: Main reason the Manual isn't ready is that we don't know for sure how the install will work
20:35:35hillshumThe rest of it is ready IIUC
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20:36:47HeyoOk, thanks for the suggestions and the links guys! It's much appreciated, like I said, my internet access is pretty limited, so I couldn't browse most of the site.
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20:37:01Grahackthe other doc issue of the day: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.8 after 7.11 Auto-Change Directory, my player says last.fm log, cuesheet support, pause on unplug, then skip length, I don't have any Prevent Track Skipping
20:37:41hillshumGrahack: what version are you using?
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20:37:47hillshumof RB
20:37:48BigBambihillshum: The manual is ready
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20:38:18BigBambiGrahack: Could you compile a list and but it on flyspray as a bug report when done? That way it won't get lost
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20:38:26Grahackrockbox 3.2-09032003
20:38:47BigBambi*put
20:39:00GrahackBigBambi: ok, I'll use flyspray from now on
20:39:06pixelmayou should use a current build though
20:39:18hillshumBigBambi, <LambdaCalculus37> Heyo: Everything works, but we have to finalize the install method and get the manual finished.
20:39:30BigBambihillshum: The manual is fine, I did it
20:39:48BigBambiadded the missing install bits that it
20:40:14BigBambiIt'll need to be updated when the final install method is done, but for now it is there
20:40:21hillshumon the manual topic, what triggers the harddisk-dependent bits? The e200 manual has some HDD related stuff in it
20:40:46BigBambi\opt{} whatever. Have a look in the source
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20:41:33hillshumOkay. And manual bugs are allowed on FlySpray then right?
20:41:42BigBambiyes, there is a manual section
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20:46:22Grahackmy last bug is no more on the current build, sorry guys and thanks pixelma
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20:52:35bertrikkugel, the c200v2 display init sequence is nearly identical to the c200(v1) init sequence
20:54:45bertrikthe c200 seems to do a few more commands, but otherwise very similar
20:57:57CIA-63New commit by 03kugel (r20812): Revert r20786 as it caused problems with alternating sublines (they need to be reset if gui_wps_refresh() wasn't called for some time, since the ...
20:58:36kugelbertrik: really? I guess though, DBOP is involved there too?
20:59:00bertrikyes, the initialisation commands are sent through DBOP
20:59:22bertrikthe notorious GPIO D7 is somehow involved too ...
20:59:53kugelbertrik: that's buttonlight
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21:02:41bertrikkugel, I think the c200 driver can be reused by abstracting lcd_wait_write, lcd_send_data and lcd_send_command
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21:05:27koolatronHey guys - is there a way I can get a progress indicator on the current database scan/refresh?
21:05:50koolatronIt's chunking along in the background, but I am just curious as to how long that's gonna take.
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21:07:57JdGordon|the debug menu has some info
21:08:25JdGordon|although it wont say how long left
21:09:50kugelbertrik: seems reasonable
21:11:08bertrikI don't know how this is usually done in rockbox, just copying the code in a new LCD driver or trying to keep it unified
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21:12:25JdGordon|bertrik: always good to try keeping them unified...but if it becomes a mess of #ifdef's then just copy it
21:13:34kugelbertrik: in the driver section it's not uncommon to just c&p even similar drivers, as they hardly change, the irivers share a good deal similarity too but have all their own one
21:14:34kugelunifying isn't so easy in the target tree, without placing the files in an unrelated dir for at least 1 target
21:14:51mcuelenaereis there an IAP wiki page?
21:15:30JdGordon|yes
21:15:40JdGordon|linked from the ipod port page
21:16:01bertrikkugel, yeah, the lowest common directory level is arm ...
21:16:45mcuelenaereJdGordon|: do you mean IpodAccessories ?
21:17:07JdGordon|probably.. unless your talking about the actual protocol?
21:17:13mcuelenaereyes
21:17:36JdGordon|there is one on the ipod linux wiki... scorche linked me yesterday
21:18:04mcuelenaereyes I know of that one, but I'm looking for some kind of Rockbox wiki page :)
21:18:10bertrikoh, there's also the firmware/drivers tree where we could put it. But probably the most important thing is just getting it to work :)
21:18:19*mcuelenaere will just add the links to IpodAccessories
21:18:32Grahackin the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlySprayHowto wiki page, there is a hint for finding the Rockbox version: ""Main Menu -> System -> Version". If you require voicing, look under "Main Menu -> System -> Rockbox Info"" I personaly can only find the later. Should I fix directly the wiki removing the first ?
21:18:58scorche|sh17:08 < scorche> JdGordon: http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
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21:19:08scorche|shJdGordon|: learn to /lastlog ;)
21:20:15mcuelenaerescorche|sh, JdGordon|: I'm not looking for the ipodlinux page, I'm looking for a RB wiki page where that link is placed on (I possibly got a different related link)
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21:39:10_fmlbluebrother, domonoky: hello. Woudn't it be good to display the model name (in RbUtil) in the window where you select which build to install and in the progress window as well? So that it's always visible what you're doing.
21:40:53bluebrother_fml: I don't think so −− you can't access that window before you set the model, and that is always displayed in the main window. So if a users messes this up he really needs to be distracted.
21:41:25bluebrotherplus, I'd prefer to run an autodetection before installing and only continue if there are no discrepancies
21:42:17_fmlbluebrother: yes, but the main window is hidden by the windows that pop up after you press 'Install'
21:42:26bluebrotheryou can move that window.
21:42:40bluebrotherand regardless, have you seen my mockup for a new install window?
21:44:09_fmlDo you mean the window with check boxes? Yes, and I liked it. I think the three tabs we have now (instalation, quick install and extras) can be put into the new one. WHich is good.
21:45:04bluebrotherif we use that idea we don't have this issue anymore anyway
21:45:19_fmlBut I still think that it'd be good if the player model would be displayed in the progress window, like: "Installing Rockbox on Sansa e260"
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21:45:46_fmlbluebrother: ah, you mean that the progress bars are in the window itself? Yes, you're right.
21:46:06bluebrotherthat's not possible. We always have names like "Sansa e200", so the user still might get confused because he owns an e260
21:46:27bluebrotheryes, that's the idea. Plus some button that shows the "old" logger with the details.
21:47:04_fmlbluebrother: isn't it possible to determine the model more exactly? The mount point is named "260", not just "200"
21:48:09bluebrotherthe mount point is named as the OS names it. My linux box uses the partition name, which is "Sansa e260" as set by the manufacturer. If I'd change that to something different the mountpoint would be named differently
21:48:37bluebrotherwe could of course check the disk size and determine the model name from that but I'd rather not rely on such things
21:49:24bluebrotheris that really that much of a problem? It might be a good idea to simply change the name that gets displayed from "Sansa e200" to "Sansa e200 series"
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21:49:40_fmlbluebrother: are the usb vid/pid (or what's the name) not different for different models, e.g. 260 vs. 280?
21:49:48bluebrotherno.
21:50:05bluebrotherthere are even different players that have the same VID / PID (like ipodmini vs. mini2g)
21:50:17*linuxstb agrees we should add "series" anywhere we say "Sansa e200"
21:50:36bluebrothermaybe even "Sansa e200v1 series"
21:50:55linuxstbOr "Sansa e200 series v1"
21:51:12_fmlbluebrother: ok then. I just think that we should be as specific as possible so that the user feels comfortable. But if it's not that simple or reliable then the current way is also OK.
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21:52:19bluebrotherI agree that it's a valid goal to make the user feel comfortable. Nevertheless, IMO we shouldn't make it _too_ easy −− the user should still be aware (or at least there should be a chance he's aware) that's he's doing major modifications
21:52:19_fmlHow do I change my nick back to the one without underscore? I type "/nick fml" but nothing happens.
21:52:52bluebrothershould work that way. Perhaps cgi::irc has problems with that? You could try mibbit instead
21:53:39linuxstbOr maybe close the client and log in again
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21:56:21bluebrotherwhy on earth did make not spot the includes I forgot to rename?
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21:58:27CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20814): Fix the includes I forgot when renaming the ZipInstaller class file.
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22:00:44bluebrotherbtw, shouldn't we say "e200" instead of "E200"? The player has a small e on its model name
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22:02:13bluebrotherhmm, "Sansa e200 series v1" or "Sansa e200v1 series"?
22:03:43_fmlbluebrother: I'd say "e200v1 series"
22:04:08froggymandoes it really make that much of a difference, you say pO-Ta-Toe i say Po-tA-toe
22:04:18*bluebrother is in favor of that too
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22:06:07Tomersgevaerts: Good evening! Can you kindly commit FS #10166?
22:10:21gevaertsTomers: there are still a lot of whitespace changes in isp1583.c. Also, have you verified that it still compiles for the tcc targets (like the D2)?
22:10:29*bluebrother still spots unrelated whitespace changes in that patch
22:10:52CIA-63New commit by 03bluebrother (r20815): Rename display names for Sansas to include "series" to make it more clear that it's not a player model "e200". Change casing of e200 / c200 to ...
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22:11:53_fmlWho is that CIA-63?
22:12:09krazykit_fml, it's the SVN commit announce bot
22:12:39Tomersbluebrother: It's minimum changes. Can you commit as it is, or revert these minor changes, or should I apply yet another patch?
22:12:47_fmlkrazykit: and the name is just a stroke of imagination?
22:13:12BigBambiIt's a standard thing
22:13:26krazykit_fml, http://cia.vc/
22:14:10TomersIn order to have a second tree, must I use 'svn checkout' or can I copy my existing dir?
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22:15:17bluebrotheryou can copy an svn tree. Not sure if I'd do a fresh checkout though.
22:15:17gevaertsyou can copy
22:19:44_fmlDoes anybody have objections to FS #10132 (setting the font back to UI after plugin has exited)? I like the idea that the core rockbox creates a "sandbox" for the plugin to run in.
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22:28:39Annina85.
22:28:43Annina85,
22:29:05Annina85!Liat
22:29:10bluebrotheramazing
22:29:10Annina85!list
22:29:14Tomersbluebrother / gevaerts: I don't want to nag, but I have to push my GSoC :-) How can FS #10166 be committed?
22:29:20evilnick_7Annina85: There are no files here
22:29:20bluebrotherstop doing this.
22:30:00bluebrotherTomers: well, you could always work on your private repository. I'm doing this all the time using git-svn (which is really great in helping you merging stuff back)
22:30:22Annina85ok
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22:31:30Tomersbluebrother: Funny, just watched "Tech Talk: Linus Torvalds on git" today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8)... Figured out it was a good way to work. I have to read the __ manual first, though...
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22:32:23gevaertsTomers: juggling patches is one of the things everyone has to learn ;)
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22:32:32TomersDoes git keeps your commits separately, so you can create different patches, which represent the different stages of your feature?
22:33:15TomersI'm good at patches, but for CVS, I guess git is quite different, right?
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22:33:40bluebrotheryes, it's quite different. Took me quite a while to get to know it (and comfortable using it)
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22:33:47GrahackTomers: git is magic, you can reorder your commits, or even rebase your branch to a more recent point in the main dev line to present patches against the most recent code
22:34:14bluebrotheryou basically have a clone of the svn repo. You can sync anytime you like in both directions, and do commits / use branches / merge branches etc as you like
22:34:47TomersSounds just great. No wonder Linus in love with it (hmmm... he wrote it)
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22:35:21bluebrotherI usually create a branch when working on something new, then commit on the branch. Before pushing it back I rebase master to current svn, then merge master to my branch and diff between both. Works really well
22:36:27GrahackI'd say 'amazingly wel' ! :)
22:36:34Grahack* well
22:36:49TomersI'll do it! It might take me some time
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23:27:53moosmirak: Bonsoir
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