#rockbox 2009-04-27

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#rockbox log for 2009-04-27

00:01:34	Bagder	http://www.barnzi.co.uk/images/rockbox_banner.gif
00:01:37	Bagder	:-P
00:02:17	fenugrec	hmm, build 20808 plays nicely on Fuze, but some MP3s appear as 'untagged' in the database (I think this is already being worked on ?)
00:02:46	kugel	that's your file's fault
00:03:06	fenugrec	ah, but when the file gets played the WPS can read the tags
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00:05:23	fenugrec	oops
00:05:34	fenugrec	I'm 100% wrong, it -is- a problem with my files.
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00:08:24	kugel	windows, mac and linux 32bit downloads don't work, is that because the mirrors aren't sync'd yet?
00:09:23	Bagder	yes
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00:12:25	*	bluebrother is surprised that mirrors need to sync :P
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01:09:39	JdGordon	do our ipod tools format a new ipod or do i have to restore it with itunes?
01:09:46	JdGordon	new disk that is...
01:10:29	scorche	JdGordon: IpodManualRestore includes instructions on formatting, etc, though itunes is still easier
01:10:49	JdGordon	itunes didnt pick it up for some reason...
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01:56:26	JdGordon	anyone know what version of the ipod protocol we pretend to do?
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01:56:42	JdGordon	my stupid av reciever wont talk to my mini because it reckons its not supported
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02:01:33	fenugrec	I'm still getting familiar with Rockbox's sources - when on a menu screen, does the firmware poll for buttons and react accordingly or is it interrupt-driven ?
02:03:44	kugel	polling
02:03:47	kugel	well
02:03:58	kugel	it depends on the target, but on the fuze it's polling
02:04:05	fenugrec	does it happen in target-specific code or more in the /apps/ section
02:04:08	fenugrec	ok
02:04:10	kugel	e200v1 is mostly interrupt driven
02:04:24	kugel	firmware/target mostly
02:04:40	saratoga	JdGordon: is the mini supported for apple's protocol?
02:04:59	JdGordon	i dont know
02:05:05	*	JdGordon assumed they all were
02:05:14	saratoga	originally I think it was only the 5G and nano
02:05:18	saratoga	but i'm not sure
02:06:01	scorche	AAP started with the 3rd gen ipods, but some of the more advanced features werent implemented there
02:06:22	saratoga	I mean which ipods have it in rockbox
02:06:47	JdGordon	its enabled in the mini's config...
02:07:00	JdGordon	so, I'm wondering what I need to fiddle with to make it think its a 5g
02:07:59	JdGordon	is the protocol documented anywhere? (obvioulsy not the real docs.. RE'd docs)
02:08:03	scorche	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8624
02:08:09	saratoga	i don't think the generation matters, just I wasn't sure if it was supported in the mini, i know the original commit did not include the 4G for instance
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02:08:41	scorche	JdGordon: http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
02:09:13	JdGordon	ta
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02:09:38	scorche	apparently it only works on the video and nano at the moment
02:10:36	JdGordon	apparently?
02:10:51	saratoga	i think the 4G was added lately
02:10:56	scorche	could be
02:11:09	scorche	at the time of commit that was all that worked, at least
02:13:06	JdGordon	oh bloody hell... i was looking at the wrong #define :p
02:13:09	saratoga	the mini config file does not have the accessory protocol enabled
02:13:12	saratoga	bah too late
02:13:51	saratoga	since it works on the PP5020 and 5022 its probably just a matter of figure out which pins are wired where on the mini
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02:28:50	JdGordon	well i guess it comes as no surprise that adding the model number check to serial.c for the mini doesnt magically make it work :p
02:31:17	JdGordon	although the system says unsupported and not "no device" so maybe it does?
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03:41:25	fenugrec	for the Fuze, why does firmware/export/config-fuze.h define CPU_FREQ to 250MHz, but fw/target/arm/as3525/clock-target.h defines PLLA_FREQ as 248MHz, and CPUFREQ_MAX also as 248MHz?
03:42:01	fenugrec	I understand a 24MHz xtal drives a PLL (not sure which part of the firmware sets it, though)
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04:11:32	fenugrec	heh, a bit late perhaps. I'll be back tomorrow
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09:18:13	B4gder	well this was a continuation from the discussion before
09:18:26	B4gder	I don't know the details though
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10:52:43	Photoguy_somewhe	I'm taking apart my Sansa e200...
10:53:12	Photoguy_somewhe	ANd removing the memory module, and placing it in another e200 to transfer the files.
10:53:30	Photoguy_somewhe	Would that have any side effects?
10:53:37	Photoguy_somewhe	They are both V1
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14:45:07	LambdaCalculus37	Trying to look for a sort of recovery mode on the Gigabeat T, and I can say that the method for the beast doesn't work (hold left on the D-pad+Windows key).
14:48:56	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Are there any PCB scans of the T? I'm wondering (hoping for your sake!) that there is some kind of ATA->FLASH controller, similar to the 1st gen nanos. If so, then the existing ATA driver should work.
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14:50:46	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: toffe82 took care of that; there's one on the GigabeatTPort wiki page.
14:52:37	linuxstb	There isn't a GigabeatTPort page... But there's GigabeatTInfo
14:52:47	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Oops. :)
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16:32:16	saratoga	i think its at least somewhat different hardware though
16:32:20	saratoga	ops
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16:42:48	LambdaCalculus37	saratoga: Have you ever been able to find any sort of recovery mode on the Gigabeat T?
16:43:01	LambdaCalculus37	I tried the beast method; doesn't work.
16:43:29	saratoga	LambdaCalculus37: unfortunately not
16:43:55	saratoga	i suppose you could try shorting the device enable pin on the flash chip, that worked for the e200v2
16:44:59	LambdaCalculus37	saratoga: I'll try that, but only if a Google search turns up nothing else.
16:45:09	*	LambdaCalculus37 should check Toshiba's website again
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17:23:23	dfkt	are there any cases of the sansa clip battery overheating while connected via USB with rockbox?
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17:28:47	LambdaCalculus37	dfkt: Mine gets a little warm, but not hot.
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17:31:07	dfkt	LambdaCalculus37, mine just died. it's really hot to the touch, but i suspect "normal" battery malfunction. not pointing fingers at rockbox, and i read on sandisk's forums that this happened to other people with the stock firmware as well. :p
17:32:58	dfkt	s/and i read/and i just found
17:33:01	dfkt	sorry for the panic post :p
17:33:17	LambdaCalculus37	dfkt: Don't worry about it. :)
17:33:27	LambdaCalculus37	That's a little strange, though.
17:34:10	dfkt	it showed me the rockbox boot screen at connecting, then immediately turned off and got to about ~60�C or so
17:35:38	evilnick_7	dfkt: Died permanently or just turned off?
17:36:47	dfkt	it doesn't turn on anymore, held the power slider for 15 sec, tried an AC USB charger as well
17:37:18	dfkt	cracked it open, the battery is slowly cooling off
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17:40:48	dfkt	battery didn't bulge, explode, or leak... any chances of overcharge protection "reviving" itself with this hardware?
17:42:40	LambdaCalculus37	Possibly.
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17:43:41	evilnick_7	Can you link to the Sansa forum threads about this? Do they shed any light?
17:44:24	dfkt	not very useful: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clip&thread.id=10343
17:44:48	dfkt	oh, f***... battery is cooled off now, but i feel the SOC is still really hot
17:45:39	LambdaCalculus37	That's not good. :(
17:46:17	dfkt	is desoldering the battery a good idea? but i guess it's really too late anyways
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17:52:49	LambdaCalculus37	dfkt: You can try it; just be careful.
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17:55:54	dfkt	i just desolder one contact, that should be enough
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18:01:31	dfkt	lookie here, it turns on again connected to USB without the battery
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18:05:03	Dreamglider	can i install the default ipod-os if i were to regret installing Rockbox to the ipod ?
18:05:47	agaffney	it's still there
18:05:58	agaffney	you can boot into it by holding down certain keys
18:06:02	agaffney	I don't know which off the top of my head
18:06:21	LambdaCalculus37	agaffney: You turn the hold switch on at bootup on iPods.
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18:07:03	LambdaCalculus37	Dreamglider: You can easily dual boot between Rockbox and the iPod OS.
18:07:30	Dreamglider	is the OS stored on a chip or on the disk ?
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18:07:59	LambdaCalculus37	Dreamglider: It's on the hard drive, contained in a separate partition.
18:08:13	Dreamglider	Ok.
18:09:32	LambdaCalculus37	All we do is just patch the bootloader so that Rockbox boots by default, but you can still dual-boot with the method I mentioned above.
18:12:55	Dreamglider	can i install Rockbox to the ipod from Ubuntu ?
18:13:18	Dreamglider	i would like to give it a go.
18:13:23	linuxstb	Dreamglider: Yes.
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18:14:47	Dreamglider	linuxstb: can you point me to a how-to ?
18:15:00	linuxstb	http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
18:15:45	LambdaCalculus37	And also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
18:15:59	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: That's linked from the manual...
18:16:40	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: True, but best to give the link so he doesn't miss it.
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18:39:56	lee321987	mp3_enc.c & mp3_encoder.c Is there anyone here who has commited a change to either of these files since June of last year?
18:42:49	lee321987	I'm asking because there was a change made to one of these files at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=17679 that helped a great deal to eliminate the DC offset that my DAP creates (when recording to MP3 format). I just noticed that the DC offset is back (don't know how long).
18:43:42	evilnick_7	Maybe you could do a binary search to narrow down which change brought this back.
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18:45:40	lee321987	don't know what you mean? Right now I'm making a list of all the changes, since June, that look (to me - with little C knowledge) like they might have effected this.
18:46:41	evilnick_7	You test the midway point between when it was working okay (17679) and the most recent build. If that is okay then take the midway point between that and the current build
18:47:35	evilnick_7	If that wasn't okay then you know that the change was somewhere between the bounds of 17679 and the midway point.
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18:49:07	evilnick_7	Here's a better explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search
18:49:13	lee321987	evilnick_7: ok. How do I download old versions? (I'm using SVN and Cygwin)
18:50:20	evilnick_7	I think that there's a method using SVN to specify which build revision to checkout.
18:51:32	lee321987	I'm using dial-up, so I'm hoping there is a way to download _only_ one old file.
18:51:50	thegeek	read the subversion documentation
18:51:57	thegeek	and yes there is
18:52:04	thegeek	I do it all the time with tortoisesvn
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18:58:24	Grahack	hi all, back again with my doc issues :)
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19:00:20	Grahack	http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.8 in the "enable crossfade" section, 'If set to track skip only' should be 'If set to TRACK SKIP ONLY' (with the small caps) and there's a 'SHUFFLE AND TRACK SKIP' conf item that is not documented
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19:10:41	MT	linuxstb : Hi, didn't merbanan mention that some fixed-point code was on svn ?
19:10:58	MT	*fixed-point cook code
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19:19:38	bertrik	has there been any investigation on what type of LCD is used in the sansa c200v2?
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19:20:03	LambdaCalculus37	bertrik: None that I know of. Nothing in the logs?
19:20:30	bertrik	LambdaCalculus37, I'm searching the forums now, will have a look at the logs too
19:20:45	linuxstb	MT: No, I don't think anything was committed.
19:20:49	LambdaCalculus37	bertrik: Righto.
19:21:03	*	LambdaCalculus37 is busy checking out the Gigabeat T
19:21:03	linuxstb	MT: Congratulations on getting sound!
19:21:23	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Sound for RealAudio?
19:21:26	MT	linuxstb : Thanks :)
19:21:39	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: Just in MT's standalone test program (and still just floating point).
19:21:41	LambdaCalculus37	MT: Awesome job! Congrats! :)
19:21:59	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: He has to leave something for the summer.
19:22:07	MT	LambdaCalculus37 : Thanks :) .. everything is on the wiki by the way
19:22:32	LambdaCalculus37	MT: I'll check it out later.
19:23:00	LambdaCalculus37	Hmm... I wonder if it's a good idea to start creating a basic structure in the code for the T now, or to just wait.
19:24:06	MT	linuxstb : I'm happy I've done this now because I don't know how much I could work during the finals .. but if I'm done with cook at an early point in time, I'll still have another few codecs to take care of :)
19:25:49	MT	linuxstb : so to actually work with the patches I'll have to either apply them to a local copy of ffmpeg or to just take the code directly from the diff file ( hrader I believe) ?
19:27:30	linuxstb	MT: I think applying them to a local copy of ffmpeg, then copying into your code will be easiest.
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19:38:24	kugel	bertrik: what do you mean by which type of lcd?
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19:39:30	bertrik	a type number, or a compatible type number, anything we need to know to write a driver for it
19:40:06	kugel	I don't think we need to know a number
19:40:37	kugel	I could maybe manage to write a lcd driver based off the disassembly, but there's no sense without testers
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19:48:59	MT	linuxstb : I don't know if you noticed this, but constructing a scrambling unit takes up mermory, for example 22KB+ for a 96kbps sample I have, would this be a problem ?
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19:51:23	bluebrother	domonoky: for the ui rework it would be good to try using signals for the logger updates instead of passing the pointer around all time IMO. Any thoughts?
19:51:34	linuxstb	MT: No, that kind of memory should be fine.
19:51:52	bluebrother	that way we could also connect the signal to some other logger (like file logger) without problems.
19:51:56	linuxstb	MT: Do you need to memcpy the data before calling the decoder?
19:52:04	domonoky	bluebrother: sounds good.
19:52:29	MT	linuxstb : yes, I copy it to a smaller input buffer
19:52:29	*	bluebrother might have a go at changing the zip installer class
19:53:34	MT	linuxstb : is it a problem ?
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19:54:32	linuxstb	MT: No, but it would be better (faster) if it was possible to avoid that.
19:56:45	MT	linuxstb : I suppose I could just pass the whole scrambling unit to the decoder and make it advance through it in steps the size of a sub-packet, the decoder takes the input buffer size as an argument .. I'm not 100% sure though, I'll try it later.
19:57:05	domonoky	bluebrother: and while you are reworking this zipinstaller class, move it to base/ :-)
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20:00:19	hillshum	What generates known_issues.txt?
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20:02:20	bluebrother	domonoky: once the GUI dependency is done, sure ;-)
20:02:35	bluebrother	but we shouldn't forget about the open patches in the tracker now the release is done
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20:06:11	hillshum	Is the known issues file supposed to be target specific?
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20:16:02	hillshum	Should KNOWN_ISSUES state which targets some bugs apply to?
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20:17:43	JdGordon\|	also.. its most liekly out of date already anyway
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20:18:48	bluebrother	it's evening
20:19:05	scorche\|sh	it is also probably morning somewhere
20:19:15	Heyo	true
20:19:22	Heyo	2:19 PM where I am
20:19:22	gevaerts	are you sure?
20:19:24	BigBambi	true, but it is normally most active eu evening, which it is
20:20:57	Heyo	So I'm at work right now, and can't really get to the forums, but I have a quick question which might be stupid, but I didn't see it in any of the FAQs, are the 1.8" hard drives in most HDD based players interchangable between most devices? I have a 120GB Zune but I would be willing to cannibalize it for something that can run RockBox.
20:21:10	BigBambi	no
20:21:23	BigBambi	see www.rockbox.org/wiki/HArddriveReplacement
20:21:42	BigBambi	er, HardDriveReplacement
20:22:10	BigBambi	There are a few different interfaces, you need to make sure you have the right one
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20:23:04	Heyo	Any suggestions for a device which can use the Zune's hard drive? iPods are neat and all, but I want a player with the most features and functionality possible.
20:23:13	Heyo	thanks for the link
20:23:13	evilnick_7	Heyo: I believe that the Zune drive will fit (in terms of physical dimensions _and_ interface) in some Rockboxable players but there are 2 different heights of 1.8" drives and a few different interfaces so the Wiki has the most information.
20:23:34	hillshum	Does the Beast use the same drive?
20:23:44	LambdaCalculus37	It uses the same interface (ZIF).
20:23:54	Heyo	Beast?
20:24:01	BigBambi	gigabeat S
20:24:02	hillshum	Gigabeat S seris
20:24:03	LambdaCalculus37	Heyo: Our pet name for the Gigabeat S.
20:24:10	Heyo	ah, gotcha
20:24:16	Heyo	The "
20:24:16	hillshum	not fully supported yet though
20:24:28	Heyo	Beast" as you put it is pretty similar to the Zune, isn't it?
20:24:36	hillshum	Yes
20:24:47	scorche\|sh	the first gen zune, at least
20:25:06	Heyo	does it have any WiFi capabilities?
20:25:14	scorche\|sh	no...
20:25:51	LambdaCalculus37	That's the biggest difference... no WiFi in the beast.
20:26:01	BigBambi	and the ability to run Rockbox
20:26:15	LambdaCalculus37	That, too. :)
20:26:19	Heyo	Got it, what kind of RB features aren't supported by the Beast?
20:26:31	BigBambi	none
20:26:36	BigBambi	But it isn't supported yet
20:26:43	hillshum	Microsoft encrypted the Zune firmware and whatnot
20:26:44	LambdaCalculus37	Heyo: Everything works, but we have to finalize the install method and get the manual finished.
20:26:49	BigBambi	i.e. the port isn't finished to the point where we support it
20:26:57	scorche\|sh	these are all questions that can probably be answered by doing a bit of reading through the site...
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20:27:01	hillshum	the install is still a bit tricky
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20:35:20	hillshum	Heyo: Main reason the Manual isn't ready is that we don't know for sure how the install will work
20:35:35	hillshum	The rest of it is ready IIUC
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20:36:47	Heyo	Ok, thanks for the suggestions and the links guys! It's much appreciated, like I said, my internet access is pretty limited, so I couldn't browse most of the site.
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20:37:01	Grahack	the other doc issue of the day: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.8 after 7.11 Auto-Change Directory, my player says last.fm log, cuesheet support, pause on unplug, then skip length, I don't have any Prevent Track Skipping
20:37:41	hillshum	Grahack: what version are you using?
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20:37:47	hillshum	of RB
20:37:48	BigBambi	hillshum: The manual is ready
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20:38:18	BigBambi	Grahack: Could you compile a list and but it on flyspray as a bug report when done? That way it won't get lost
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20:38:26	Grahack	rockbox 3.2-09032003
20:38:47	BigBambi	*put
20:39:00	Grahack	BigBambi: ok, I'll use flyspray from now on
20:39:06	pixelma	you should use a current build though
20:39:18	hillshum	BigBambi, <LambdaCalculus37> Heyo: Everything works, but we have to finalize the install method and get the manual finished.
20:39:30	BigBambi	hillshum: The manual is fine, I did it
20:39:48	BigBambi	added the missing install bits that it
20:40:14	BigBambi	It'll need to be updated when the final install method is done, but for now it is there
20:40:21	hillshum	on the manual topic, what triggers the harddisk-dependent bits? The e200 manual has some HDD related stuff in it
20:40:46	BigBambi	\opt{} whatever. Have a look in the source
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20:41:33	hillshum	Okay. And manual bugs are allowed on FlySpray then right?
20:41:42	BigBambi	yes, there is a manual section
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20:46:22	Grahack	my last bug is no more on the current build, sorry guys and thanks pixelma
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20:52:35	bertrik	kugel, the c200v2 display init sequence is nearly identical to the c200(v1) init sequence
20:54:45	bertrik	the c200 seems to do a few more commands, but otherwise very similar
20:57:57	CIA-63	New commit by 03kugel (r20812): Revert r20786 as it caused problems with alternating sublines (they need to be reset if gui_wps_refresh() wasn't called for some time, since the ...
20:58:36	kugel	bertrik: really? I guess though, DBOP is involved there too?
20:59:00	bertrik	yes, the initialisation commands are sent through DBOP
20:59:22	bertrik	the notorious GPIO D7 is somehow involved too ...
20:59:53	kugel	bertrik: that's buttonlight
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21:02:41	bertrik	kugel, I think the c200 driver can be reused by abstracting lcd_wait_write, lcd_send_data and lcd_send_command
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21:05:27	koolatron	Hey guys - is there a way I can get a progress indicator on the current database scan/refresh?
21:05:50	koolatron	It's chunking along in the background, but I am just curious as to how long that's gonna take.
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21:07:57	JdGordon\|	the debug menu has some info
21:08:25	JdGordon\|	although it wont say how long left
21:09:50	kugel	bertrik: seems reasonable
21:11:08	bertrik	I don't know how this is usually done in rockbox, just copying the code in a new LCD driver or trying to keep it unified
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21:12:25	JdGordon\|	bertrik: always good to try keeping them unified...but if it becomes a mess of #ifdef's then just copy it
21:13:34	kugel	bertrik: in the driver section it's not uncommon to just c&p even similar drivers, as they hardly change, the irivers share a good deal similarity too but have all their own one
21:14:34	kugel	unifying isn't so easy in the target tree, without placing the files in an unrelated dir for at least 1 target
21:14:51	mcuelenaere	is there an IAP wiki page?
21:15:30	JdGordon\|	yes
21:15:40	JdGordon\|	linked from the ipod port page
21:16:01	bertrik	kugel, yeah, the lowest common directory level is arm ...
21:16:45	mcuelenaere	JdGordon\|: do you mean IpodAccessories ?
21:17:07	JdGordon\|	probably.. unless your talking about the actual protocol?
21:17:13	mcuelenaere	yes
21:17:36	JdGordon\|	there is one on the ipod linux wiki... scorche linked me yesterday
21:18:04	mcuelenaere	yes I know of that one, but I'm looking for some kind of Rockbox wiki page :)
21:18:10	bertrik	oh, there's also the firmware/drivers tree where we could put it. But probably the most important thing is just getting it to work :)
21:18:19	*	mcuelenaere will just add the links to IpodAccessories
21:18:32	Grahack	in the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlySprayHowto wiki page, there is a hint for finding the Rockbox version: ""Main Menu -> System -> Version". If you require voicing, look under "Main Menu -> System -> Rockbox Info"" I personaly can only find the later. Should I fix directly the wiki removing the first ?
21:18:58	scorche\|sh	17:08 < scorche> JdGordon: http://www.ipodlinux.org/wiki/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
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21:19:08	scorche\|sh	JdGordon\|: learn to /lastlog ;)
21:20:15	mcuelenaere	scorche\|sh, JdGordon\|: I'm not looking for the ipodlinux page, I'm looking for a RB wiki page where that link is placed on (I possibly got a different related link)
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21:39:10	_fml	bluebrother, domonoky: hello. Woudn't it be good to display the model name (in RbUtil) in the window where you select which build to install and in the progress window as well? So that it's always visible what you're doing.
21:40:53	bluebrother	_fml: I don't think so −− you can't access that window before you set the model, and that is always displayed in the main window. So if a users messes this up he really needs to be distracted.
21:41:25	bluebrother	plus, I'd prefer to run an autodetection before installing and only continue if there are no discrepancies
21:42:17	_fml	bluebrother: yes, but the main window is hidden by the windows that pop up after you press 'Install'
21:42:26	bluebrother	you can move that window.
21:42:40	bluebrother	and regardless, have you seen my mockup for a new install window?
21:44:09	_fml	Do you mean the window with check boxes? Yes, and I liked it. I think the three tabs we have now (instalation, quick install and extras) can be put into the new one. WHich is good.
21:45:04	bluebrother	if we use that idea we don't have this issue anymore anyway
21:45:19	_fml	But I still think that it'd be good if the player model would be displayed in the progress window, like: "Installing Rockbox on Sansa e260"
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21:45:46	_fml	bluebrother: ah, you mean that the progress bars are in the window itself? Yes, you're right.
21:46:06	bluebrother	that's not possible. We always have names like "Sansa e200", so the user still might get confused because he owns an e260
21:46:27	bluebrother	yes, that's the idea. Plus some button that shows the "old" logger with the details.
21:47:04	_fml	bluebrother: isn't it possible to determine the model more exactly? The mount point is named "260", not just "200"
21:48:09	bluebrother	the mount point is named as the OS names it. My linux box uses the partition name, which is "Sansa e260" as set by the manufacturer. If I'd change that to something different the mountpoint would be named differently
21:48:37	bluebrother	we could of course check the disk size and determine the model name from that but I'd rather not rely on such things
21:49:24	bluebrother	is that really that much of a problem? It might be a good idea to simply change the name that gets displayed from "Sansa e200" to "Sansa e200 series"
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21:49:40	_fml	bluebrother: are the usb vid/pid (or what's the name) not different for different models, e.g. 260 vs. 280?
21:49:48	bluebrother	no.
21:50:05	bluebrother	there are even different players that have the same VID / PID (like ipodmini vs. mini2g)
21:50:17	*	linuxstb agrees we should add "series" anywhere we say "Sansa e200"
21:50:36	bluebrother	maybe even "Sansa e200v1 series"
21:50:55	linuxstb	Or "Sansa e200 series v1"
21:51:12	_fml	bluebrother: ok then. I just think that we should be as specific as possible so that the user feels comfortable. But if it's not that simple or reliable then the current way is also OK.
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21:52:19	bluebrother	I agree that it's a valid goal to make the user feel comfortable. Nevertheless, IMO we shouldn't make it _too_ easy −− the user should still be aware (or at least there should be a chance he's aware) that's he's doing major modifications
21:52:19	_fml	How do I change my nick back to the one without underscore? I type "/nick fml" but nothing happens.
21:52:52	bluebrother	should work that way. Perhaps cgi::irc has problems with that? You could try mibbit instead
21:53:39	linuxstb	Or maybe close the client and log in again
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21:56:21	bluebrother	why on earth did make not spot the includes I forgot to rename?
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21:58:27	CIA-63	New commit by 03bluebrother (r20814): Fix the includes I forgot when renaming the ZipInstaller class file.
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22:00:44	bluebrother	btw, shouldn't we say "e200" instead of "E200"? The player has a small e on its model name
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22:02:13	bluebrother	hmm, "Sansa e200 series v1" or "Sansa e200v1 series"?
22:03:43	_fml	bluebrother: I'd say "e200v1 series"
22:04:08	froggyman	does it really make that much of a difference, you say pO-Ta-Toe i say Po-tA-toe
22:04:18	*	bluebrother is in favor of that too
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22:06:07	Tomers	gevaerts: Good evening! Can you kindly commit FS #10166?
22:10:21	gevaerts	Tomers: there are still a lot of whitespace changes in isp1583.c. Also, have you verified that it still compiles for the tcc targets (like the D2)?
22:10:29	*	bluebrother still spots unrelated whitespace changes in that patch
22:10:52	CIA-63	New commit by 03bluebrother (r20815): Rename display names for Sansas to include "series" to make it more clear that it's not a player model "e200". Change casing of e200 / c200 to ...
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22:12:09	krazykit	_fml, it's the SVN commit announce bot
22:12:39	Tomers	bluebrother: It's minimum changes. Can you commit as it is, or revert these minor changes, or should I apply yet another patch?
22:12:47	_fml	krazykit: and the name is just a stroke of imagination?
22:13:12	BigBambi	It's a standard thing
22:13:26	krazykit	_fml, http://cia.vc/
22:14:10	Tomers	In order to have a second tree, must I use 'svn checkout' or can I copy my existing dir?
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22:15:17	bluebrother	you can copy an svn tree. Not sure if I'd do a fresh checkout though.
22:15:17	gevaerts	you can copy
22:19:44	_fml	Does anybody have objections to FS #10132 (setting the font back to UI after plugin has exited)? I like the idea that the core rockbox creates a "sandbox" for the plugin to run in.
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22:28:39	Annina85	.
22:28:43	Annina85	,
22:29:05	Annina85	!Liat
22:29:10	bluebrother	amazing
22:29:10	Annina85	!list
22:29:14	Tomers	bluebrother / gevaerts: I don't want to nag, but I have to push my GSoC :-) How can FS #10166 be committed?
22:29:20	evilnick_7	Annina85: There are no files here
22:29:20	bluebrother	stop doing this.
22:30:00	bluebrother	Tomers: well, you could always work on your private repository. I'm doing this all the time using git-svn (which is really great in helping you merging stuff back)
22:30:22	Annina85	ok
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22:31:30	Tomers	bluebrother: Funny, just watched "Tech Talk: Linus Torvalds on git" today (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8)... Figured out it was a good way to work. I have to read the __ manual first, though...
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22:32:23	gevaerts	Tomers: juggling patches is one of the things everyone has to learn ;)
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22:32:32	Tomers	Does git keeps your commits separately, so you can create different patches, which represent the different stages of your feature?
22:33:15	Tomers	I'm good at patches, but for CVS, I guess git is quite different, right?
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22:33:40	bluebrother	yes, it's quite different. Took me quite a while to get to know it (and comfortable using it)
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22:33:47	Grahack	Tomers: git is magic, you can reorder your commits, or even rebase your branch to a more recent point in the main dev line to present patches against the most recent code
22:34:14	bluebrother	you basically have a clone of the svn repo. You can sync anytime you like in both directions, and do commits / use branches / merge branches etc as you like
22:34:47	Tomers	Sounds just great. No wonder Linus in love with it (hmmm... he wrote it)
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22:35:21	bluebrother	I usually create a branch when working on something new, then commit on the branch. Before pushing it back I rebase master to current svn, then merge master to my branch and diff between both. Works really well
22:36:27	Grahack	I'd say 'amazingly wel' ! :)
22:36:34	Grahack	* well
22:36:49	Tomers	I'll do it! It might take me some time
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23:27:19	mirak	hello
23:27:53	moos	mirak: Bonsoir
23:28:02	moos	:)
23:28:14	mirak	lu
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