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#rockbox log for 2009-04-29

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00:03:39linuxstbmoos: ?
00:04:23moosHi linuxstb, I get my beast back. Thanks to toffe82 here.
00:05:29hillshumWhere in the tree is the database manual source?
00:05:54JdGordon|manual/ *
00:06:39hillshumwhere?
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00:07:18hillshum(more specific?) it
00:07:22mooslinuxstb: I encountered a lot of times and in various attempts, this "File not found bug" in the past. Like I encountered it a lot, I noticed that when it occured, the OF missed tocreate some OF files and dirs system, those "contents" dirs. Then if those files/dir are missings, impossible to boot rockbox, with this annoying "file not found"
00:07:31hillshums in some subfolder
00:09:01mooslinuxstb: it's reliable. Now I encountered it again and passed it when i copied the 3 .inf files generated by the inf-wizzard on the 2nd partition.
00:09:29moosAnd the bug vanish at each attempt, then I supose that fixe it :)
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00:12:11moosI buged jhMikeS a while ago to ask him if that could help him, and I tried the .tar method that failed too. Then to pass this, we did need to retry until magicly the OF recreates thos dir/files and then boot rockbox.
00:13:38mooslinuxstb: don't know if that's comprehensible enough ;)
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00:15:03moosbtw, I will try to find some time to help document the windows installation for the beast. Still not supported officially, the AMS will beat th beast support soon :(
00:15:56hillshummoos: you had plenty of time
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00:16:32mooshillshum: I whish I had, send me some if you have to share ;)
00:17:36toffe82you have two more players in the waiting list for official support : gogear 1630 and hdd6330
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00:18:04mooshehe :)
00:18:15*hillshum has only e200v2
00:19:50*moos will see what he can do to help the beast support, but now sleep :)
00:19:59moosmerci again toffe82
00:19:59hillshumand really, where exactly in the latex source tree is the file for the database?
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00:22:17linuxstbhillshum: "grep" is your friend, e.g.: grep -ir "phrase to look for" manual/
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00:41:43gmanHello!
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00:42:46gmanWondering if anyone out there has any advice on how to increase the contrast on the videos I convert for my iriver H140 (ihp14). The videos are a tad washed out, and increasing the contrast on the device only darkens everything.
00:43:03gmanI am using the ffmpeg script on the website.
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02:21:35IrishFBall32hey there all... i'm trying to wrap my head around the status page for the Creative ports... anyone around who knows enough about it to interpret?
02:24:35scorchesure: it doesnt work yet =)
02:25:22IrishFBall32lol
02:25:27IrishFBall32simple and to the point
02:26:01IrishFBall32if i'm to understand things correctly, the main development is happening for the ZVM, with the hope that the other players would follow closely?
02:27:56scorchei dont know...you would have to ask the people who are porting it...this may already be addressed in the forum thread about it though
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03:03:28Unhelpfulmoos: (whenever you get back) i've noted that the tar trick does not work if i have to create the /Content directory, unless i create it lower-case... i suspect some sort of weird case-related encoding issue, as the default vfat mount options on my system are iocharset=utf8
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03:28:58saratogalooks like merging the imdct into AAC did cause glitches, but they're so subtle I can't ABX them (matlab doesn't lie though)
03:32:18froggymancould someone help me with this topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21453.0
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03:34:17linuxstbfroggyman: Does it work in Apple's USB mode?
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03:40:42froggymanlinuxstb: it doesnt seem to work in either modes
03:41:07froggymanits actually very frustrating
03:42:12saratogahmm seems i'm not using the correct window functions in FAAD
03:46:22linuxstbfroggyman: I haven't read any of the pages, but it seems a common problem - http://www.google.com/search?q=songbird+doesn%27t+recognise+ipod
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03:53:03froggymanlinuxstb: ok, then do you know of any other music managers, other than m. monkey or win amp that work well, and support itunes DB?
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03:59:13FlynDiceshould I be able to find as_mtx in rockbox.map. It is declared with this line in ascodec-as3525.c: static struct mutex as_mtx SHAREDBSS_ATTR;
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04:06:11Lloreanfroggyman: Questions for finding music managers that work for using the original firmware really aren't a Rockbox topic
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04:08:08froggymanLlorean: i meant the iTunes DB format, not the DB that it puts onto the iPod; you know that supports XML because thats how all my music is currently and dont want to switch over all the files; sorry for any confusion
04:08:24LloreanAnd again, the iTunes DB format has nothing to do with Rockbox either.
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04:10:32froggymani guess you are right (like always); but do you have any other managers you might recommend
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04:25:55martian67froggyman, if you are using rockbox practially any media player with a media library works
04:26:01martian67its just a flat file
04:28:39froggymanmartian67: i know, its just that i am having a hard time finding some of these programs, what are your favorites?
04:28:59martian67i use windows explorer
04:29:00martian67lol
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04:48:18nixcamichey
04:48:30nixcamicim trying to get my ipod firmware from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/
04:48:45nixcamicand i see two options
04:48:58nixcamicthis is for a 60gb photo
04:49:09nixcamic11/1.2.1
04:49:21nixcamicand 5/1.2.1
04:49:32nixcamicwhat would be the difference between these two?
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05:00:24nixcamici take it no one knows the difference between the different firmware revisions for the same ipods listed on http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ ?
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05:05:15saratoganixcamic: this is a bad place to ask about things that aren't rockbox as well as links that aren't to rockbox
05:05:32nixcamicwell
05:05:41nixcamicthe link is mentioned in the wiki
05:05:49nixcamicand its needed
05:05:53nixcamicfor me to install rockbox from a mac
05:06:00nixcamicand the person that runs the site is a rockbox dev
05:06:06nixcamicand is currently in this channel
05:06:27nixcamicso i figured this is a good a place as any
05:06:53scorchenixcamic: uh...no he isnt
05:07:03nixcamicah
05:07:03nixcamicwell
05:07:14JdGordonalso.. it makes no difference at all if you're just going to install rockbox anyway
05:07:17nixcamicfrom reading the logs while searching for this problem
05:07:21nixcamici got that impression
05:07:34nixcamicso if i flash my ipod with the wrong firmware
05:07:36nixcamicit doesnt matter?
05:07:47scorcheand please stop substituting the enter key for punctuation...it makes it harder to unserstand you and is generally spammy
05:08:01nixcamici was under the impression that that was kinda important :)
05:08:10nixcamicalright, I'll keep my stuff on one line
05:08:15scorcheerrr....understand ;)
05:09:28nixcamicwell, perhaps I can phrase my question so that its more about rockbox then
05:10:10Lloreannixcamic: Worst case, picking the wrong one just means your iPod doesn't boot except in disk mode and you need to install the other one.
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05:10:43nixcamicSo no matter how much I foobar my iPods firmware, disk mode will always work?
05:13:13LloreanThe only way to screw up disk mode is to interrupt it while the iPod itself says it's updating and displays a progress bar.
05:13:20nixcamicah
05:13:22nixcamicwell
05:13:32nixcamicgood to know, thanks
05:13:42nixcamicand sorry for putting stuff on multiple lines, bad habbit
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07:36:58hupp3lI get a failed to add bootloader error
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07:38:10hupp3lI don't really know where I am going wrong
07:40:38hupp3l[INFO] Reading original firmware... Error reading from disk: Data error (cyclic redundancy check). [ERR] Read failed
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07:58:51hupp3laha! figured it out. thank you
07:59:05hupp3lhad to restore my ipod
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11:19:05MT_unisaratoga : It seems like the only way to use this patch is to go through the diff file and just keep copying whatever we're interested in. I've just tried a quick go at this and it's not as complicated as I thought. It would be even better because then I know what has been added or deleted which would make debugging a little bit easier
11:19:59MT_uniso I think first would be to just change the type declarations in COOKContext, compile and run.
11:21:25MT_uniand will just keep modifying the codec with as small number of changes at a time as possible to make it compile and run correctly.
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11:28:33linuxstbMT_uni: Now might be a good time to prepare your first patch for Rockbox. It would add your code to SVN, but it wouldn't include it in an actual Rockbox build. There would just be a standalone test program to go with it (similar to "main.c" for the the FLAC decoder).
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11:29:09linuxstbIMO, it would be nice if the first version of the decoder you committed was as close as possible to ffmpeg's, so we can track the changes you make.
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11:29:30linuxstbHmm...
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13:33:00T44hi
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13:33:14Topy44long time no see :) (used to idle around here years ago)
13:33:42Topy44my iaudio x5l recently stopped working, and now i just got an iriver H340 pretty cheap on the fleamarket
13:34:14Topy44(at least i THINK it was pretty cheap. 28 euros together with a backpack that the guy was also selling...)
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13:34:28Topy44(with new battery put in 2 weeks ago)
13:34:51Topy44anyway, now i obviously need to install rockbox again :) and i see the installation process has come a long way since i've done it last...
13:35:02BigBambithe manual should cover ti
13:35:06BigBambi*it
13:35:07Topy44sure
13:35:21BigBambiand €28 is *vert* cheap
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13:35:24BigBambi*very
13:35:39Topy44good good :)
13:35:55Topy44its in pretty good condition - some minor scratches to the case, but not on the screen
13:36:07Topy44no accessories except for a usb cable and the crappy cable remote
13:36:10Topy44but who cares
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13:36:22BigBambiHave a look on ebay, they normally go for €150+
13:36:28Topy44oh, nice
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13:42:27Strife89What does one do if an image strip contains more than 26 images?
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13:42:37Strife89(For a WPS.)
13:45:04BigBambitwo strips?
13:45:42Strife89The strip is for volume.
13:45:53Strife89Not sure how I'd do two strips for that.....
13:46:42BigBambiWhy not?
13:47:19BigBambi%?pv<%xdMa|%xdMb|%xdMc|%xdMd|%xdMe|%xdMf|%xdMg|%xdMh|%xdMi|%xdMj>
13:47:26Topy44yay! ok, i LIKE this little machine. it provides enough plugin power for my sp/audio technica mics that i use for live recording
13:47:30BigBambier, that wasn' a full line :)
13:47:37BigBambi%?pv<%xdMa|%xdMb|%xdMc|%xdMd|%xdMe|%xdMf|%xdMg|%xdMh|%xdMi|%xdMj>
13:47:40BigBambidammit
13:47:46Topy44(which is the main use for the player, i dont really need an mp3 player, i mostly have it for recording concerts)
13:48:07Topy44one question, years ago rockbox had a "recording history" feature
13:48:19Topy44that displayed the stereo field and the volume levels over time
13:48:21peturTopy44: I assume you're not recording loud concerts?
13:48:32Topy44petur, i do, why?
13:48:41peturTopy44: that's the REP
13:48:47Topy44yeah, exactly
13:49:07Topy44was it ever updated? i remember when i checked last it hasnt worked for ages
13:49:10BigBambiWhy not have e.g. %?pv<%xdMa|...|%xdMv|%xdMw|%xdMy|%xdMx|%xdMz|%xdNa|%xdNb|%xdNc|%xdNd|%xdNe>
13:49:20BigBambi@ Strife89
13:49:26peturI'm still busy changing the REP to include in SVN
13:49:35Topy44i patched it into the then-current x5 build, worked surprisingly well, including AGC
13:49:36Strife89BigBambi: Ah, okay.
13:49:43Strife89I'll try that, then.
13:49:48Topy44petur, aah, you were the autor of the REP?
13:49:57Topy44back then i started working on it myself
13:50:04BigBambiStrife89: I haven't tried, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work
13:50:11Topy44got it to a point where it worked for me and stopped :)
13:50:32Strife89BigBambi: Neither do I, now that you suggested it. :)
13:50:53BigBambihehe :)
13:51:01peturTopy44: no, it is a combination of a bunch of patches from various people. My parts are already in SVN ;)
13:51:20Topy44anyway, i really liked that feature, as its unique, not even "professional" recorders have anything compareable, especially the stereo field display is GREAT for aligning the mics
13:51:48Topy44btw: is the gain setting hardware or software? so... if i reduce the gain enough, will keep the hardware from clipping?
13:51:48peturhistogram is next and then maybe the recording timer...
13:51:57Topy44historgram, right, the word i was looking for :)
13:52:10peturgain = hardware
13:52:14Topy44great, thx
13:52:17peturpart analog, part digital
13:52:54Topy44btw... would it be possible to have an external peak-LED, connected to one of the remote pins? since there is a function to blink the remote display, but the remote display is rare (?) and i dont need it anyway
13:53:10Topy44but i could just build a cable with a nice bright LED on it and stick it somewhere visible
13:53:15peturbtw, for loud concerts I find the 3.7V plug power not enough, my mics are brickwalling. So I use an external mic amp (ST-9100 from church-audio)
13:54:17Topy44just 3.7v? hm... true, thats not really enough. i bought the soundprofessionals preamp together with the mics, but it stinks... batteries last long IN THEORY, but in real life it starts clipping when its not a brand new expensive brand name battery
13:55:05Topy44but since i never actually needed the preamp other then as a power supply i guess i could build a compact little power supply for them instead
13:55:06Lsswhat about those phantom power mics?
13:55:14Topy44what about them?
13:55:25Lssdo they have a similar issue?
13:55:33Lssclipping
13:55:35Topy44you cannot use them with plugin power
13:55:38Topy44so its a non-issue :)
13:55:48*petur feels this is drifting off-topic and suggests the other channel...
13:55:51Topy44they need at least about 15V, 48V is the spec
13:55:54Topy44true
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14:00:31Strife89Okay, so I have this: http://pastebin.com/m5661f656 −−−−for this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21423.0 −−−− so far.
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14:06:42webguest99newbie lookin 4 rockbox help
14:06:46webguest99iRiver 340 here
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14:08:09webguest83hi petur
14:08:19peturwhat help do you need?
14:08:26webguest83need some rockbox help for my iriver 340
14:08:34webguest83can i msg u?
14:08:38peturno
14:08:44webguest83k
14:08:53webguest83installing 4 1st time
14:09:11peturyou read the manual?
14:09:16webguest83updated firmware 1.29k to 1.31k
14:09:22webguest83yeah read manual
14:09:48webguest83when it asks for firmware file hex...what do i do
14:09:55webguest83i tried opening that file
14:09:57webguest83no joy
14:10:25Topy44[14:06] <webguest99> iRiver 340 here <== funny, bought one 1 hour ago :)
14:10:37webguest83they're gr8
14:10:38peturyou give the patch program the hex file you normally put on the h340 to upgrade, and it will give you a new 'patched' one
14:10:53Topy44well, when i tried to load the 1.31 file it gave me an error too
14:10:56Topy44took the 1.30, works
14:11:06webguest83i'll do that
14:11:11webguest83just a sec
14:11:18Topy44i think the hash in the patcher for 1.31 may be wrong (or it doesnt support it at all?)
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14:11:47webguest83:)
14:12:19*petur consults the wiki
14:13:47peturhmmm could be that 1.31 doesn't work - use 1.29 or 1.30
14:17:11peturwebguest83: is it working?
14:17:23webguest83had trouble with link
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14:17:27webguest83just a sec
14:17:57webguest83think its working now
14:18:07webguest83shouldn't have changed from 1.29
14:18:08webguest83:(
14:18:23webguest83thnx for ur help
14:18:25webguest83its worked
14:18:32webguest83(does dance of joy)
14:18:34peturgood, have fun with it
14:18:40webguest83cheers
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15:30:05LambdaCalculus37libmtp-0.3.6 doesn't build in OS X... I can't build beastpatcher or mknkboot without it... :/
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15:49:04linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Have you tried newer versions? 0.3.7 is now out.
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15:49:35LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Tried 0.3.7... same deal.
15:49:46LambdaCalculus37I've asked the libmtp mailing list for any ideas.
15:50:49linuxstbHave you seen the reply?
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15:51:48LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Yeah, he said to try this before I run configure: " export LDFLAGS=-framework\ CoreFoundation\ -framework\ IOKit\ -liconv"
15:51:49linuxstbGetting libusb building would seem to be the first step though, as libmtp relies on it.
15:52:07LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Can't even get libusb to build.
15:52:15linuxstbI'm sure that's built for rbutil...
15:52:41linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: I know, but if you can't build libusb, you'll never build libmtp...
15:53:19linuxstbe200rpatcher uses libusb as well.
15:53:43LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: And of course, e200rpatcher doesn't build here as well.
15:53:50LambdaCalculus37So I'd better get on the libusb ML and ask.
15:54:31linuxstbAccording to the e200rpatcher readme, you should just be able to do "./configure" and "make" to build libusb. But I'm assuming that no longer works?
15:56:01LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: ./configure craps out; I have to retrieve the error message it gives again.
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18:03:56Strife89http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21423.msg149342#msg149342
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18:04:27Strife89So BdN3504 beat me to it, but I posted my code anyway in hopes I could be shown what I did wrong.
18:04:43Strife89For for future WPSes.
18:04:52Strife89s/For for/For
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18:08:08Strife89I've edited it a few times without any luck, so I'm clueless now.
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18:27:03AforeffortI formatted my 5G video iPod in MS-DOS (FAT32) and it has a mount point, but rockbox utility 1.2.1 comes up with error message "No Ipod detected / Permission for disc access denied!" when I try to install. How do I change the permissions on the disc, or other wise remedy this? Thanks.
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18:35:47domonokyAforeffort: and you are running rbutil as root/admin ?
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18:39:20Aforeffortdpmonoky: yes
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19:01:09preglowhas shotofadds been around lately?
19:06:12LambdaCalculus37preglow: Haven't seem him around.
19:06:56LambdaCalculus37preglow: Quick question while I have your attention... have you been able to get libusb and libmtp to build on OS X? I need them in order to build beastpatcher, mknkboot, sendfirm, and whatever else needs either library.
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19:10:48*LambdaCalculus37 wants to try and get beastpatcher and sendfirm working especially; he needs them to work on the Gigabeat T
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19:17:51kugelhm, I have a weird problem
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19:21:34LambdaCalculus37kugel: What's the problem?
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19:41:53kugelLambdaCalculus37: I have this function, and I can't explain why it is called
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19:44:07CIA-63New commit by 03saratoga (r20821): Fix FS #10174 by correcting an oversimplification of the AAC window switching code I introduced with the unified IMDCT library. Should significantly ...
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19:47:27kugelgdb doesn't really help too
19:52:52bertrikkugel, maybe it's disguised as a macro somewhere?
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19:53:34saratogaJdGordon: problem with your build server
19:54:17JdGordon|arg
19:54:21JdGordon|what sort of problem?
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19:54:57kugelbertrik: no, but it seems to be some inline weirdness
19:54:58saratogacheck the build table
19:55:12JdGordon|bah woops... forgot to reinstall libsdl-dev...
19:56:32kugelthe trace shows that lcd_awake is called in _backlight_off (which is inlined) but it doesn't contain such a call
19:56:37JdGordon|all fixed
19:56:40JdGordon|someone do a commit :)
19:56:45kugelnot inlining _backlight_off seems to help
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20:39:43kugeluhm, another problem
20:40:08kugelwhy doesn't this link
20:40:47kugelI created a new backlight-sim.c and added it to SOURCES. It compiles fine, but ld gives me many undefined references
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20:42:39JdGordon|your funcs are lost in #ifdefs?
20:42:50kugelno
20:43:02JdGordon|-?
20:43:25kugelas I said, it compiles fine. Like, I see CC backlight-sim.c and it creates a backlight-sim.o
20:43:52kugeladding a #warning within a function that is undefined referenced, it shows the warning too
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20:47:09kugelprinting SIMOBJ, it shows up in the list of .o's that are AR'd to libuisimulator too
20:47:57JdGordon|then you made a typo
20:48:38kugelwhere?
20:48:51kugelwhat kind of typo?
20:51:07JdGordon|the type of typo where you make a typo somewhere that you typed
20:51:22BigBambiListen to the master :)
20:51:33JdGordon|that was so hard to type :)
20:51:45*JdGordon| wore out the backspace key on that one
20:51:48kugel:'(
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20:53:37kugelmoving some functions from another file into this (literally moving) the issue is away
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20:56:17kugelo.O this is weird
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20:58:04bluebrotherdomonoky: updated FS #10123. I'd really like to get that committed soon −− any comments?
20:59:44skosome e200v2 users around?
20:59:51bodymindi am
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21:00:22bodymindwassup?
21:01:16skogood... I updated FS #10151 few days ago, it would be good if someone can test it, I think it can be commited if no one finds any problems
21:01:36bodymindhm ok
21:01:43sko(it's about scrollwheel acceleration)
21:03:22bodymindwhich diff? 04b ?
21:04:08skoyes, the latest one please
21:05:50kugelwhy does moving lcd_active magically solve it???
21:06:49gevaertsorder of files given to ld?
21:08:05bodymindsko, done... the scrollwheel is a bit faster?
21:08:43skoyes, it should jump over items if the wheel is turned faster
21:08:55kugelgevaerts: seems not to change anything
21:10:25bodymindsko, i think it's good
21:11:00skobodymind: ok, thank you
21:16:36GrahackHi guys, I'd like to talk about the picture in this section: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1260007.8. To me the moment when the crossfade starts is not well defined, except if you consider that (it's a guess) the track one ends when it's volume reaches zero. So to me, there should be the last horizontal blue line, since this track has stopped. What do you think ?
21:16:59kugelbodymind: the patch is nice?
21:17:36bodymindyes, i think the wheel is cool now
21:19:50LloreanDoes the acceleration for v2 work similar to on v1 e200s (from a user perspective)?
21:19:55*Llorean doesn't recall if those skip items.
21:20:27kugelit does yes
21:21:01kugelhowever, on v2 the skipping is more obvious since the the wheel is polled and not interrupt driven
21:21:31Lloreankugel: Are the rates the same, at least?
21:21:37kugel(i.e. the v1 skips less items, but does that way more often) the effective speed is about the same
21:21:59LloreanI'd rather limit the maximum speed, and reduce the skipping. Jumping larger amounts can make it easier to miss things.
21:22:15kugelI can only tell about the fuze though, i don't know how it is/will be exactly on the e200v2
21:22:48skounfortunately I can't compare it, because I have only a v2 and its my first rb-player
21:22:49kugelthe speed isn't limited. on no scrollwheels
21:23:34amiconnLlorean: How would you limit the scrollwheel speed? Modding it with an electronically controlled brake? ;)
21:23:35FlynDicegive me a couple of mins and I'll give you a third opinion on the e200v2.... nice break from mmu frustration
21:24:17Lloreanamiconn: Limit the maximum number of entries it can skip?
21:24:56kugellimiting isn't an option anyway. skipping items and being less accurate if you turn it really fast is the price for needing only 4 turns for a 1k items list
21:25:07amiconnThe only thing you can do against wheel readout hiccups when the wheel needs to be polled is polling faster
21:25:56Lloreankugel: Is it really necessary that you can go through a thousand items in four turns?
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21:26:04JdGordon|sure
21:26:15LloreanShouldn't you just scroll up once?
21:26:29amiconnThe wheel acceleration in software is entirely unrelated
21:26:30LloreanOr divide your items up better?
21:26:36JdGordon|and if you're in the tracks listing in the db and have way more than 1k?
21:26:51kugelyes. and why shouldn't we do it if we can? you need to be quick like a crazy for this. You couldn't be accurate at this rate even without acceleration at all
21:26:51LloreanIf it's jumping 250 entries a turn by the end, it means you could have to spend as much time going back to the entry you missed as you spend going down there in the first place.
21:26:58amiconnLlorean: All tracks list in database? Nothing to divide there...
21:27:20kugelit's not skipping 250 items.....
21:27:24Lloreanamiconn: Personally, I don't see a use for all tracks, I guess. I know what's on my player and how to get to it quickly without every having to see a list of everything and scroll through it.
21:27:43Lloreankugel: Sorry, 250 per turn.
21:27:46LloreanMoving 250 that is.
21:27:56*Llorean shrugs.
21:27:58kugelget a v1 and/or v2 and try it yourself before making any complains please
21:27:58LloreanNevermind me.
21:28:02LloreanI have a v1
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21:28:24LloreanThat's why I asked how it compares to the v1.
21:28:36LloreanYou said it's more noticeable on the v2 than on the v1.
21:28:47kugelI have a v1 and fuze, they do about the same in the effective speed
21:28:59kugelhad a fuze*
21:29:03LloreanIt's the skipping I'm concerned about
21:29:12LloreanNotice I suggested making a change that would limit the effective speed to reduce the skipping...
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21:29:37bodyminddo u want me to check the 250 items per turn? :o
21:29:45kugelyou need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping.
21:30:00kugelthe skipping isn't bad
21:30:03kugelnot at all
21:30:18amiconnLlorean: Well I don't even use the database at all for selecting music. That was just an example for a long list which cannot be divided
21:30:33skobodymind: i think its not possible, skipping rate is not that high at e200v2, or you must turn like crazy :D
21:31:16bodymindyeah.. :X LOL
21:31:40kugelsko: that's next to impossible. 250 items would mean repeat is 2000 or so
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21:31:43Lloreankugel: If you need such a hard to achieve rate of turning, why does skipping even need to be there?
21:32:10kugelyea, no need for scrollwheel acceleration
21:32:19skokugel: the last patch uses the half of repeat, which gave the best results imo
21:32:39Lloreankugel: Okay, you said skipping only occurs at very rapid turn rates. Skipping != scrollwheel acceleration
21:32:51kugelLlorean: no, it's the same on v2s
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21:33:06Lloreankugel: But YOU said skipping only occurs at 2 wheel turns per second or faster.
21:33:16LloreanSo which is it?
21:33:34kugelyes. if you are not so quick you're accurate. 1 item per "physical click"
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21:33:49kugelif you're faster it skipps and accelerates scrolling this way
21:34:00Lloreankugel: Okay, stop
21:34:07kugelor you just stop
21:34:14LloreanDoes it require 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start, or not?
21:34:19kugelyou have no idea about the internals
21:34:52LloreanWhy don't you stop giving contradictory answers to questions then?
21:34:59LloreanDoes it require 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start?
21:35:13kugelno.........
21:35:17LloreanThen why did you say it did?
21:35:18kugelread what I write please
21:35:29Llorean(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping.
21:35:41kugelyou can do 1 turn in half a second too
21:35:41domonokybluebrother: one comment about your settings patch: you should prevent writing to a device setting.
21:35:59Lloreankugel: What do you mean by "turn" if not "a full rotation"?
21:36:10kugelI mean a full rotation
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21:36:35LloreanSo you don't see "(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping." as meaning "it requires 2 whole rotations of the wheel per second to cause skipping to start?"
21:36:45kugelwhether you did a full rotation or not doesn't matter though
21:37:21FlynDiceworks ok for me, need a long list to notice the skipping and the action seems reasonable to me.
21:37:40Lloreankugel: "2 whole rotations per second" is a speed.
21:38:02LloreanIt doesn't indicate that 720 degrees must actually be covered.
21:38:22kugelCan you come to the point?
21:38:37kugelI don't understand what you're trying to tell me
21:38:46LloreanI'm asking a question
21:39:28LloreanWhich is the case? You've said "no" to something you yourself said.
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21:40:23kugelI still don't understand what you want from me
21:41:13evilnick_230kugel: I suspect that Llorean wants an idea of how much wheel movement causes the skipping in as much detail as possible
21:41:13LloreanWhy did you say "(2:29:26 PM) kugel: you need 2 turn times per second or so to even start skipping." in response to my statement back then?
21:41:13markunkugel: don't you know Llorean by now? :)
21:41:53Lloreanmarkun: Can you explain what he's saying to me then?
21:42:09markunLlorean: nope, haven't read what he wrote.
21:42:10kugelmarkun: apparently no
21:42:20Lloreanmarkun: I'd suggest you do that before jumping in then...
21:42:26bluebrotherdomonoky: hmm, good point. Completely forgot about that :)
21:42:30markunthanks, but no thanks
21:42:50Lloreanmarkun: Well, you shouldn't make jokes about a situation you don't have a knowledge of.
21:42:56*Jdgordon|| decides to butt in
21:42:58markunor else?
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21:43:11LloreanFuck it. Good night all.
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21:43:20Jdgordon||seriously why is there an argument... if it works then put it in
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21:43:51kugelJdgordon||: that's what I'm wondering too (hence I didn't understand what he wanted from me)
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21:56:28Dreamglidercan i play avi files on rockbox ?
21:56:44JdGordon|no
21:56:52BigBambiDreamglider: MPEG1/2
21:56:55DreamgliderWhat video files can it play
21:57:02DreamgliderOk
21:57:07pixelmasee manual
21:57:09BigBambiDreamglider: see www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
21:57:36Dreamgliderand what audio format's can it play ?
21:57:41markunmany!
21:57:55Lsswhat audio format do you want it to play
21:57:57Dreamgliderok
21:57:59Lssthat would be faster
21:58:13markunDreamglider: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status
21:58:16Dreamgliderflac, ogg and mp3 mostly
21:58:23pixelmadepends on your player... ;) and I might be repeating myself - see manual
21:58:39Lsspretty much covered
21:58:52Lsswhat device do you intend to use rockbox with anyway
21:59:15Dreamglideri installed it on my Ipod video 5th generation
21:59:36Lssi see
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22:26:38Dreamglideri just converted a file from avi to mpeg but it does not show up in rockbox, what am i dooing wrong ?
22:27:05BigBambiwhat is the show files setting set to?
22:27:42Dreamglideri dont know, where do i see/set it
22:28:05bluebrotherare you using the database or the file browser?
22:28:25Dreamgliderfile browser
22:29:37bluebrotherset Settings / General Settings / File View / Show Files to Supported
22:32:30Dreamgliderit's at Supported by default
22:32:51Dreamgliderthe ext on the mpeg files is mpg
22:33:04pixelmawhere did you copy the file to?
22:33:46Dreamgliderto the ipod /movies/
22:33:54Dreamglideri see the directory
22:34:12bluebrotherand you have entered the directory I assume?
22:34:27Dreamgliderim inside the dir
22:34:57Dreamglideri set the show files to All and now i see the files but when i klick on the nothing happends
22:35:10bluebrotherok, what player are you using?
22:35:14bluebrotherand which build?
22:35:34DreamgliderIpod Video 5th gen latest release of Rockbox
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22:38:37bluebrotherlatest release meaning 3.2?
22:39:22Dreamglideryes 3.2
22:40:33BigBambiHow did you convert the video?
22:40:58BigBambiAnd you did convert it to MPEG 1 or 2 with the correct resolution and audio codec as detailed by the wiki page I mentioned?
22:41:11Dreamgliderwith FFmpeg
22:41:18bluebrotherdoes "doesn't show up" mean its not playing or not showing in the file browser?
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22:41:39Dreamgliderthe file shows up, but when i klick it nothing happends
22:41:51BigBambiAnd what resolution is it?
22:42:05bluebrotherah. That means it's not a browser thing (or filesystem) but something different.
22:42:15*bluebrother thought of the former first
22:42:25Dreamglideri have no idea about the res
22:42:39BigBambiYou should have input that when you encoded it
22:43:06BigBambiIt needs to be at least as small as the LCD
22:43:15Dreamgliderso it can only playback files with specified resolution ?
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22:43:20pixelmaby the way, you will probably have more fun watching videos in the original firmware with the Ipod Video
22:43:27BigBambiDreamglider: Did you read the page I linked?
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22:43:51pixelmaalthough it should work of course
22:44:35DreamgliderBigBambi: No i didnt notice it
22:44:39Dreamgliderill have a look at it
22:44:52BigBambiDreamglider: Cool, it has lots of information for you on it
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