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00:24:44	CIA-63	New commit by kugel (r20829): Simulate lcd_enable and lcd_sleep in the simulator. Therefore, turn backlight-sim.h into a .c too.
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00:59:00	CIA-63	New commit by kugel (r20830): Fix reds. libuisimulator.a apparently needs to be linked twice (aka quick fix as I don't know a better solution yet) :/
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01:00:49	JdGordon\|	has anyone had problems building the m68k toolchain in ubuntu 9.04 amd64?
01:01:38	kugel	what's the problem?
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02:48:02	saratoga	this microsoft asf debugger tool is amazing
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02:48:21	saratoga	for an undocumented format, they certainly go out of their way to help people troubleshoot parsers
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03:04:43	linuxstb	saratoga: IIRC, asf _is_ documented by Microsoft, but that documentation is under a license which is not friendly to open source (I forget the details), so I never looked at it.
03:06:02	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Well, good news and not so good news... good news is that thanks to the guys at the libmtp and libusb MLs, I got libmtp and libusb built and installed.
03:06:14	LambdaCalculus37	The not so good news, beastpatcher errors out with this: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m16f62217
03:07:09	linuxstb	LambdaCalculus37: I think you need to add the OS X framworks to the Makefile. The other patchers should help.
03:07:41	LambdaCalculus37	I also had to modify the Makefile for beastpatcher to point to /usr/local/lib for libmtp.a and libusb.a; for some reason that's where they installed to when I ran make install on each of them.
03:07:51	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: I'll check them out.
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03:13:21	saratoga	why would request_buffer return a few bytes less then requested for the end of a file?
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03:18:15	LambdaCalculus37	http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/d5243538 <−− beastpatcher makefile and http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m47aca639 <−− iPodpatcher Makefile for comparison.
03:19:28	LambdaCalculus37	I'm figuring that adding ($SRC) and ($BOOTSRC) before and after the required files to compile beastpatcher (line 4 on the beastpatcher pastebin) may help it.
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03:24:38	soap	my searches on the forums and the patch tracker have totally failed me. Didn't someone (dreamlayers?) discuss the idea of shutting off the iPod (5g only?) codec when playback was halted to save power?
03:26:06	LambdaCalculus37	soap: I think it was dreamlayers that was talking about that.
03:26:39	soap	do you have any idea where? I was 99% sure it wasn't here in IRC, but I'm finding no mention of it elsewhere.
03:26:56	LambdaCalculus37	soap: I don't remember, sorry.
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03:27:21	*	LambdaCalculus37 also noticed that it's $(SRC) and $(BOOTSRC) he needs to append, not ($SRC) and ($BOOTSRC) :)
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03:33:36	saratoga	soap_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21172.0
03:35:26	soap	thank you very much, saratoga. Hmm, that didn't come up with my search of codec sleep ipod power
03:49:31	LambdaCalculus37	http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m4c91a901 <−− Modified beastpatch Makefile; still giving me errors: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m6fa1a059
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04:04:50	Unhelpful	best FS category for core jpeg decode? WPS (although it's not use for AA loads yet)?
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04:15:13	Llorean	I'd say yes
04:15:26	Llorean	Since it's intended for that, and that's likely what the final version of the patch will be.
04:19:22	Unhelpful	anybody testing the test_core_jpeg plugin on targets would be appreciated - the decoder is up as FS #10177.
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06:29:01	jingjing	hi all my friend have a problem about rockbox play aac on ipod nano gen1 and rockbox it's crash!
06:29:32	jingjing	my friend use ipod nano gen1 and rockbox release version
06:37:23	evilnick1	What error code do you get when it crashes?
06:37:40	jingjing	no error code
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06:38:15	evilnick1	So what exactly happens when it crashes?
06:38:20	jingjing	when my friend play music aac but music is not smooth
06:38:54	evilnick1	So it plays well for a while, then a pause, then plays well etc?
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06:42:22	jingjing	evilnick1: but play mp3 havn't a problem but play aac rockbox so crash when play aac
06:42:29	evilnick1	If the music sounds "choppy" (as if it keeps pausing and unpausing) then check what the EQ settings are, check what bitrate the files are. These problems are usually to do with asking the CPU inside the iPod to do too much all at once and Rockbox cannot decode the audio in realtime.
06:42:40	evilnick1	mp3 files are easier to decode
06:43:05	evilnick1	aac takes more work to decode
06:44:23	jingjing	evilnick1: thankyou so much
06:46:10	evilnick1	No problem! You can see some information on this page about how quickly Rockbox can decode each codec: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison
06:46:41	evilnick1	Although some of the data is from old builds and there will have been improvements since that time.
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07:07:49	CIA-63	New commit by alle (r20831): Remove the (part of the) check that is actually not needed since the 'properties' section is optional
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08:34:13	Unhelpful	FS #10178 JPEG AA - i'll get to work shortly on some builds.
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08:39:50	Llorean	Unhelpful: Is it too early to estimate binsize increase? As in, is it likely to shrink significantly from what will be your test builds, or are optimizations in size unlikely?
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08:49:25	Villen86	:)
08:49:55	Unhelpful	Llorean: i don't see any low-hanging fruit right now in terms of size optimization. the 16-point IDCT could go, but would then need to be replaced with some other means of getting subsampled chroma scaled up, since the scaler only supports rgb888 input. i did note that the 16-point expanded IDCT uses some interesting tricks to reduce the amount of math done for rounding, and this could possibly be incorporated into the other IDCT.
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08:53:02	Unhelpful	hrm, also, scaling down to output data ranges could be moved out of the IDCT routines - just as dequantization already is. i was a bit wary of doing this, as it means writing the data back to the IDCT working array as ints one more time before they get converted to unsigned char, but it might save a bit of space - in particular, the idct1h routine would become a no-op.
08:54:14	Unhelpful	un-inlining the various bitstream operations would also save some binsize, probably quite a bit, but at a speed cost.
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09:14:09	Unhelpful	amiconn: actually, if we add an optional seek offset for bufopen, and if the file is parsed for metadata before AA search is attempted, embedded AA might not be too hard - if you find an embedded AA, store the offset to it (maybe in a new struct id3 field?), then try to open that before searching for an external AA file.
09:15:17	Unhelpful	i'm not sure exactly how best to attempt something like that... also, sync-safe ID3 tags with embedded AA won't work, as read_jpeg_fd will have no idea that its bitstream requires special de-mangling
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09:20:50	pixelma	and then add whatever-weird-format-people-use-for-embedded-album-art support to the core? ;)
09:21:37	Unhelpful	geez, isn't jpeg enough?
09:21:42	*	pixelma once saw something like 500x500 pixels wide PNGs in ID3 tag
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09:24:48	Unhelpful	if we're going to support bmp, jpeg, and png in core, we should maybe think about having a dedicated buffer for loadable image codecs :P
09:25:45	Bagder	and then support embedded mpeg-2! :-O
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09:29:49	Unhelpful	Bagder: it's ideas like that that made me say i would try to find some way to sabotage core jpeg so that it could never be used for embedded AA :P
09:32:04	petur	mixed AA (different formats) would be another cause for spinups :/
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09:32:52	Unhelpful	petur: not really, AA is loaded on buffer and stored as an LCD-native bitmap
09:33:20	petur	a, it is buffered as decoded image, for all buffered songs?
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09:34:49	Unhelpful	petur: as i understand it, yes. so there wouldn't be any extra spinups, but if songs buffering back-to-back keep changing AA formats, it would be a lot of extra disk reads.
09:35:08	petur	ok
09:37:15	Unhelpful	i don't think it makes any sense until we have at least three image formats - right now JPEG + BMP probably takes up not much more space than would be needed for the largest image loader (JPEG) and an image codec manager and interface, i'd think...
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09:53:21	MT	w00t ! cook is now working in fixed-point ! (might still need some work to see if it actually uses floats anywhere, because it's ffmpeg's fixed-point patch)
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09:56:03	MT	saratoga : I checked out the same old cook.c I told you about, kept applying the patches one by one, and done failed hunks by hand , then I changed the patched file to use rmctx .. etc like cook.c in the rm-wav converter. I had to modify dsputil.h and get an old fft.c too.
09:57:12	MT	saratoga : I tried it first with "//#define COOK_FIXPOINT" to use the floating point part of it, since it's supposed to give the same output as the old converter, and it did
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09:57:45	MT	finally I uncommented "#define COOK_FIXPOINT" to use the fixed point math instead. worked and produced the same output.
09:59:02	markun	MT: great!
09:59:24	MT	markun : Hi :) .. Thanks a lot
09:59:53	markun	working on a stand-alone decoder right now?
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10:01:17	MT	yep, and a quick look through both cook.c and the fixed-point headers shows that floats are totally eliminated !
10:01:56	markun	What about the rm container, does it need much work?
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10:02:45	MT	sorry, much work in what sense ?
10:02:59	MT	you mean fixed point conversion too ?
10:03:31	markun	I thought that linuxstb already had written some code so I was wondering if there was much left to do
10:04:09	MT	oh no, the parser was finished like 5 days ago.
10:04:21	linuxstb	markun: I just started work on a parser. MT finished it.
10:04:43	MT	the only remaining part is to read the indx chunk, but afaik it's not important in the conversion and playback
10:05:22	MT	it seems like I could start porting to rockbox soon .. but I can't delay cleaning the code up anymore :)
10:05:37	markun	and no mallocs in cook?
10:05:49	MT	:( forgot about that.
10:06:01	MT	no there are mallocs
10:06:20	martian67	so does rockbox support jpg album art now?
10:06:20	markun	you can always try to get away with one of the fake mallocs we have :)
10:06:55	MT	I'll first try to see if I can predetermine a fixed max. size for every thing that needs malloc
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10:07:31	MT	for those that I can't do this to, I'll use the codec api for allocation..
10:07:33	Unhelpful	martian67: it does if you patch it and build it yourself...
10:07:40	martian67	:(
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10:09:39	markun	MT: ok, that sounds like the right thing to do. Can't wait to play my rm files natively :) (radio recordings, now I transcode them)
10:09:48	Unhelpful	martian67: it's on flyspray. it comes at a rather large cost in terms of new code, so i'd like to wait until i get opinions from other devs. also, it's less than a day old, and there should really be more than one person who's tested it before it's merged. :P
10:11:24	martian67	heheh :)
10:11:33	martian67	you are gonna get pushback ;)
10:11:36	martian67	gj though
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10:15:48	MT	markun : the fake mallocs in codec API .. are there certain limits to their usage ?
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10:23:30	linuxstb	MT: You should try and avoid malloc - most other codecs don't use it.
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10:24:04	linuxstb	But the limitation will be that the codec only has 512KB of RAM - that include the code, data and the buffer used by the malloc.
10:24:17	linuxstb	(maybe smaller than 512KB on some targets)
10:26:08	MT	linuxstb : fine, I'll trace those mallocs and see how I could avoid them. I think I'll have to slow down a little to start preparing for my finals
10:27:55	linuxstb	But it sounds like good progress.
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10:35:31	Unhelpful	amiconn: i noticed an interesting optimization in the jpeg-7-pre 16x IDCT - the DC coefficient gets the rounding factor added to it at the begining of the calculation, and since the DC component contributes equally to each element of the output, they all can all be rounded correctly with a plain right shift, instead of the add+shift math that the DESCALE macro uses.
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12:25:18	hidefile	Hi, H140; I want to hide a directory on my player but make it accessable/viewable only when I want to on a PC, how would I do that please ?
12:26:08	BigBambi	set it as hidden and turn on/off view hidden folders on your PC?
12:26:16	Unhelpful	you could mark the directory hidden, but, it will still be visible if you use "view all"
12:26:58	hidefile	aha, is there a file extension which will render it unviewable within rockbox ?
12:28:09	BigBambi	I thought you said directory?
12:28:31	hidefile	yes it'll be a directory, not a file
12:28:43	BigBambi	Then it can't have a file extension
12:29:01	hidefile	silly me :-)
12:29:56	hidefile	hmm, so giving the directory hidden attributes on a pc is the only way ?, thanks
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12:30:48	BigBambi	And then setting the Rockbox show files setting to anything other than All
12:31:04	hidefile	understood, thanks
12:31:43	BigBambi	or if you use windows, you could name the directory with a "." (full stop) at the front
12:32:02	BigBambi	Then Rockbox will treat it as hidden but Windows won't (but linux/Mac will)
12:32:09	hidefile	yes I'm on XP
12:32:46	BigBambi	XP won't let you create a directory with a . in front, but you can create it from the command prompt
12:32:56	BigBambi	Then once you have it, you can use it as normal
12:33:34	hidefile	cmd prompt huh, isn't that something "scotty" ditched years ago in Star Trek
12:33:42	pixelma	XP lets you, just the explorer doesn't ;)
12:34:01	hidefile	thank you maam
12:35:01	BigBambi	pixelma: OK :) Is there any built into XP thing that lets you do it though? Or for all intents and purposes do you still have to use command prompt?
12:35:30	BigBambi	Or a third party tool
12:35:49	pixelma	I'
12:35:58	*	hidefile googles third party tool
12:36:17	pixelma	d use the command prompt, in my understanding that's built into XP too
12:36:38	hidefile	but if I use a third party tool I'll always need said toll to view or change the attributes right ?
12:36:38	BigBambi	pixelma: yes, I meant anything other than the command prompt.
12:36:48	BigBambi	hidefile: No, just to create it
12:37:02	BigBambi	hidefile: I'd use the command prompt, it is a one line thing to type
12:38:03	hidefile	ok, I'll use this cmd thing you speak of with such fondness
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12:39:34	hidefile	rockbox is a fine product, thanks
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14:32:26	funman	Bagder: any news from AMS ? it's been 2 weeks without an answer
14:33:00	Bagder	not a beep :-(
14:33:17	Bagder	well, one of them bounced a "vacation notice" but nothing apart from that
14:33:36	funman	i'll ping them
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14:42:54	funman	FlynDice: i posted a patch on FS #10048
14:43:42	FlynDice	funman:I'll go look now..
14:44:26	funman	hit reload, i just edited the comment ;)
14:47:28	FlynDice	funman: I've dropped the mapping aspect and have just been trying to get the mmu working with cacheing and no mapping
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14:48:19	funman	good idea, so you can focus on the essential
14:48:39	funman	i believe mapping doesn't interfere with caching though
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14:49:30	funman	get http://www.altera.com/literature/third-party/ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf : the Part B gives some informations on caching & MMU in ARM cores
14:49:39	FlynDice	Seems when I cache any DRAM it screws up the ascodec portion. I get an empty battery and a charging indication.
14:50:14	funman	when I do that on the Clip I can't even boot (screens shut down)
14:50:26	FlynDice	same code with noDRAM cached works fine
14:50:32	funman	hum .. stupid me, perhaps we need to modify the delays used in the drivers
14:51:06	bertrik	we could just stub the codec communication to see if it's really the problem or just a symptom
14:51:09	LambdaCalculus37	linuxstb: Ping, can you check out the logs from earlier? I tried modifying the Makefile for beastpatcher to match up a little better with the iPodpatcher Makefile, but I still get errors on building. There are a few pastebins posted.
14:51:49	FlynDice	I've moved most of the cache coherency into dma-plo81.c and abandoned mmu in the bootloader to simplify things
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14:52:23	funman	Good idea to centralize things in a few plages
14:52:37	bertrik	ok, good idea, I don't see any need for initialising the mmu in the bootloader
14:53:06	funman	jhMikeS mentioned framebuffers, but we don't use any mmaped I/O in Sansa AMS, so we only need to take care with DMA
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14:56:41	FlynDice	funman: how long are you on for, I've been cleaning up a patch to post but I'll just post it now if you'd like
14:57:23	funman	flydutch: not much , just send it in my box, i'll look at it at home
14:57:41	FlynDice	funman: you bet
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15:23:00	FlynDice	sure do thanks!
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18:11:55	JohnTeddy	Sansa e280 v2 .. is rockbox workable on it yet? I hate the of, even if there are bugs, as long as it plays music.
18:13:31	JohnTeddy	Anyone in here using the e280 v2?
18:13:36	evilnick_7	I believe that it is, but you'd have to compile it yourself as it's not officially supported yet so is really for developers
18:13:49	JohnTeddy	or anything with the same chipset, there is that other popular device with the same chipset..I forget what it's called
18:13:52	JohnTeddy	cruze or something
18:13:58	evilnick_7	Fuze
18:14:01	JohnTeddy	fuze, yea
18:14:12	JohnTeddy	You have either of these devices evilnick_7?
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18:14:29	evilnick_7	No, I've got a Sansa E280 but that's V1
18:14:53	JohnTeddy	yea, I bought mine on ebay. and the guy advertised it as v1, and even mentioned rockbox on the advertisement, but when I got it, it was v2. hah
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18:15:19	krazykit	and did you contact this person about it?
18:16:02	JohnTeddy	no
18:16:06	scorche\|sh	JohnTeddy: and did you check via the firmware version?...the backplate is wrong if you happen to be judging by that
18:16:15	scorche\|sh	errr...can be wrong
18:16:23	JohnTeddy	yea, I checked the version info via of
18:16:48	JohnTeddy	v03.01.11A
18:16:52	JohnTeddy	Is what it says.
18:17:14	evilnick_7	Yep, that's an AMS then
18:20:58	JohnTeddy	So it works, but it's buggy?
18:21:06	JohnTeddy	scorche\|sh: You use either of these devices?
18:21:22	scorche\|sh	no
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18:26:11	Frrr	hi, i think rockbox bricked my nano. screen is blank, hold is off. doesn't respond to anything and isn't recognized by the computer
18:26:33	Frrr	this happened after i connected it to my monster wireless plus car adapter −− before that rockbox worked fine
18:26:45	Frrr	reset doesn't work either. Is this a known issue? Anything i can do?
18:27:02	linuxstb	Was (is) it charged?
18:27:09	Frrr	yes, almost fully
18:27:58	linuxstb	How long are you holding menu+select for? It can sometimes take up to 30 seconds.
18:28:13	BigBambi	and try turning hold on then off before doing it
18:28:32	BigBambi	it can be quite tricky to get the timing right, but don't worry, it isn't bricked
18:30:21	Frrr	reset has only taken 6 seconds for me before, but i just tried it for a minute and nothing
18:30:26	Frrr	did hold on/off too
18:31:06	BigBambi	Frrr: You could try charging it for an extended period
18:32:33	Frrr	well, i'll try. it was fully charged though
18:32:46	BigBambi	Yeah I know - worth a go though
18:33:01	BigBambi	It is always possible it just died
18:33:11	BigBambi	or got a jolt from the adaptor
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18:34:04	Frrr	yeah, i was thinking that. everyone seems to insist rockbox doesn't brick ipods but it could still be some unfortunate combination of rockbox + adapter
18:34:17	linuxstb	Or simply that ipods die anyway...
18:34:24	linuxstb	(with or without Rockbox)
18:34:39	Frrr	well it's a pretty old 1st gen
18:34:43	Frrr	shame though
18:34:54	linuxstb	But try charging it, and keep trying the reset combo.
18:35:15	linuxstb	(preferably with a wall charger if you have one).
18:35:36	Frrr	i just have the car charger and the usb cable i'm afraid
18:35:38	BigBambi	Frrr: Whilst it is possible, there hasn't been a confirmed report of Rockbox killing an ipod
18:36:15	Frrr	maybe just nobody's tested it with that particular adapter
18:36:35	Frrr	it would be good if one of the developers could get hold of one
18:37:44	BigBambi	There are far too many adapters to test them all
18:38:24	Frrr	oh, i'm sure you're right. But if there's a 'watch list' anywhere for problematic adapters...
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18:38:39	BigBambi	It is of course possible but ipods do just die, and just because Rockbox was on there doesn't mean that it was the cause.
18:39:04	BigBambi	anyway, as we don't know either way, this is by the by :)
18:40:00	Frrr	yeah, i know it could be a coincidence. But since it happened within a couple of hours of installing rockbox after a few years of working fine, it was my first thought to come here
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18:44:42	Frrr	ok, i'm going to add to the ipod accessories table on the wiki, maybe then someone will see it and confirm/deny. thanks aynway guys
18:45:04	BigBambi	What are you going to add?
18:46:02	Frrr	okay, scratch that, wiki seems to be invite only
18:46:26	Frrr	i was just going to add an entry for my adapter in the table, and say my ipod died when i plugged it in.
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18:48:33	xy124	Hi, I've a question: How long does it take making the rockbox run with a new mp3-player?
18:49:00	BigBambi	z
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18:49:18	BigBambi	xy124: It can be quick or extremely long
18:49:24	linuxstb	Depends how similar that mp3 player is to existing ones that Rockbox works on. The fastest port has been just a few hours, but completely new devices can take a year (or more)
18:49:24	BigBambi	It depends on many factors
18:49:47	lokus	but at all i need skills in assembler?
18:50:10	linuxstb	See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
18:50:36	gevaerts	Frrr: it's not invite-only. It just requires registration and convincing someone that you're real
18:51:49	lokus	I've a Philips SA3285 and if rockbox would work with it, it would be very crazy... ok then i'll read this text
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18:54:10	linuxstb	obo: How's the view?
18:54:58	Frrr	gevaerts: ok, well my wiki name is RobinAllen so if you or someone could accept my realness that'd be great
18:56:27	obo	linuxstb: sadly as-was. There don't seem to be enough hours in the day at the moment to get everything else done before the end of term. Plus I'm still waiting on my Uni to approve the work (visa issues)
18:56:39	gevaerts	Frrr: done :)
18:56:52	Frrr	thanks!
18:56:55	BigBambi	Frrr: I think it'd be good to have a note with your entry to say that it may well be/probably is coincidence
18:57:15	BigBambi	And if anyone wants to confirm/disprove that'd be good
18:57:33	linuxstb	obo: When is your end of term?
18:57:41	Frrr	yeah, that's pretty much what i'm going to write
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19:13:27	salty-horse	hi. anyone with a gigabeat MEGF-40 around?
19:13:44	saratoga	probably half this channel
19:14:21	evilnick_7	salty-horse: Not with me, but I do own one.
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19:15:08	gevaerts	Why so specific?
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19:15:53	salty-horse	I think there's a problem with the libmtp entries, related to that device. does it have an MTP mode? can you assist me with the usb product id of MSC and MTP (if there is one) modes?
19:16:08	salty-horse	see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/355998
19:16:35	evilnick_7	gevaerts: If the question involved testing anything out _right now_ then I wouldn't be any use but if it were a general question then I might be able to help
19:16:35	linuxstb	salty-horse: I doubt many people have the OF still installed...
19:17:00	linuxstb	But there's a Rockbox wiki page with usb ids of Rockbox devices.
19:17:06	salty-horse	I'll look
19:18:04	gevaerts	evilnick_7: I mean, why does salty-horse want a grey F40 specifically :)
19:18:18	salty-horse	gevaerts, I have no idea what the codenames mean :)
19:18:51	gevaerts	salty-horse: well, the G stands for grey :)
19:18:55	salty-horse	linuxstb, this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection
19:19:00	salty-horse	I guessed so :)
19:19:39	*	evilnick_7 thought that any Gigabeat F over 10GB was grey
19:19:58	salty-horse	linuxstb, does the rockbox firmware use the same product id's as the original one of the device it's installed on?
19:20:21	saratoga	usually
19:21:02	salty-horse	saratoga, I'd prefer a definite answer :)
19:21:35	gevaerts	the F uses a hardware USB-ATA bridge, as far as I know, so we can't even change the ids
19:23:06	salty-horse	ok
19:23:33	gevaerts	for the same reason I'm also pretty doubtful about any sort of mtp mode
19:24:37	salty-horse	gevaerts, what do you think of this? http://libmtp.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/libmtp/libmtp/src/music-players.h?revision=1.134&view=markup#l_408
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19:25:20	gevaerts	salty-horse: have a look at the comment above that
19:25:31	salty-horse	but 0930 c is ums mode −− why is it even there?
19:25:36	salty-horse	err.. 9
19:25:38	salty-horse	not c
19:25:50	gevaerts	basically they decided to break any non-mtp device to avoid having issues with mtp devices
19:26:18	salty-horse	it seems to break https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/355998/comments/22
19:27:39	gevaerts	it's an interaction with libgphoto as far as I understand it actually, and there's a fix in their svn now
19:28:31	salty-horse	since that person reported the gigabeat error?
19:28:50	gevaerts	no, since I went to #gphoto toi complain
19:29:26	gevaerts	anyway this is a bit off-topic. It's not caused by rockbox, and it doesn't hit rockbox specifically...
19:29:36	salty-horse	sorry :/
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20:38:20	JohnTeddy	I have this sansa e280 v2, of. When I plugin the device to my laptop, it pops up a folder in nautilus, but there is no music anywhere, none in the Music folder. But on the device, I have like 5 gigs of music I can play. BUt no where in this folder.
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20:50:10	evilnick_7	JohnTeddy: If it's the OF then you'd have better luck with some official forum/channel, but it might be that the files are hidden, as the OF on v1 Sansas (Sansae?) hides the music folder
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22:08:29	sharkos	hi folks; is there a simple/established way of putting a playlist to one side for the duration of an app (to manipulate and use a new one), or should I simply save it as a temporary file?
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23:00:45	JdGordon\|	sharkos: it depends how much you want to fiddle with the playlist not being played...
23:01:23	JdGordon\|	iirc you can add tracks to an exssiting playlist thats not being played... but only appending.. not insterting randomly or anything
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23:10:25	sharkos	JdGordon\|: the thing is I have to play the new playlist
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23:10:47	sharkos	so I need to change the current playlist
23:11:15	sharkos	and my understanding of the system is that there is no way of keeping a reference to the current playlist without saving it
23:11:34	JdGordon\|	if you only want to append the track you can use the playlist catalog option in the context menu instead of playlist
23:11:42	JdGordon\|	that will add it to a enw or exsisting playlist
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23:16:57	MT	I asked merbanan today about whether there were any necessary/unavoidable mallocs .. His reply was : "There are only mallocs during init and all those can be replaced by fixed arrays."
23:18:07	JdGordon\|	awesome :)
23:19:10	MT	So I think the fixed-point replacement/memory optimization phase is almost complete .. next would be porting to rockbox, but I still want to go through the source to see how rockbox handles container formats. i.e, how I'm going to implement the parser and make send the packets to the decoder
23:20:26	JdGordon\|	you wanted to have a seperate .rock for each decoder?
23:20:30	saratoga	MT: I think removing the mallocs shouldn't be too difficult
23:21:00	*	BigBambi wonders if finishing before GSOC starts is a record :)
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23:21:51	MT	BigBambi : I was worried someone might consider it a bad idea
23:22:01	froggyman	is it normal for the games to be accelerated while plugged into a charger/usb port?
23:22:15	MT	but if it would count as a record. then screw the finals, I'm on it !
23:22:17	saratoga	a lot of them will be for the huffman and imdct
23:22:24	saratoga	and we've already delt with that for wma
23:22:29	Llorean	froggyman: That might indicate the CPU is always boosted when plugged in (it probably shouldn't be)
23:22:35	BigBambi	MT: I don't see why particularly - especiallly as there are always more codecs :)
23:22:46	saratoga	though a neat solution might be to merge the wma and cook huffman code, since it is the same, and then maybe see if it can be optimized
23:22:59	gevaerts	Llorean: USB doesn't work on PP when not boosted
23:23:25	Llorean	gevaerts: You can't play games while USB is working, either.
23:23:30	Llorean	So I assume it's just charging. :-P
23:23:50	gevaerts	Llorean: yes you can. You can't while MSC is working though ;)
23:23:51	linuxstb	MT: merbanan said a few weeks ago that the MDCT needed converting to fixed-point. Has that been done?
23:23:52	MT	saratoga : I think it shouldn't be a problem to remove those mallocs, I just didn't have the time today to look at them and I wanted to check with merbanan as well.
23:23:54	froggyman	yeah it is just charging throught a usb port (held menu when plugged in
23:24:00	Llorean	gevaerts: Ah, well, normal users can't then.
23:24:17	MT	linuxstb : the patch already uses a fixed point mdct
23:24:38	gevaerts	Llorean: while charging we have to maintain a USB connection, and the host may ask for data (descriptors). Not boosting can break that
23:24:49	MT	linuxstb : even if it doesn't, I could borrow the one saratoga wrote for wma
23:24:58	Llorean	gevaerts: So that's why charging has gotten worse since we activated USB!
23:25:20	Llorean	Ever since USB went in, there's been a rise in reporting charging not happening / being much slower when they hold menu and insert the cable.
23:25:37	gevaerts	It shouldn't. This part of USB has been enabled for ages as far as I can see
23:25:38	Llorean	I thought it was more people using it, so more people noticing it could be slow, but if we're constantly boosted that'd be an increase in load right there.
23:25:46	saratoga	linuxstb: it came with the tremor imdct (same as we use)
23:26:00	Llorean	gevaerts: But when the USB stack was disabled, did we still boost when someone held menu and inserted to charge?
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23:26:47	gevaerts	yes
23:26:51	linuxstb	saratoga: Ah, OK.
23:27:07	Llorean	gevaerts: Ah well then.
23:27:51	froggyman	it doesnt seem to boost the clock if you plug the USB in while you are under the debug menu
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23:28:31	webguest60	Hello
23:28:31	gevaerts	I'm not sure if the debug menu handles USB events properly
23:28:50	Llorean	gevaerts: Would it more or less be impossible to work around this and boost normally if we're in charging-only mode?
23:28:55	MT	iirc there's an asf parser that calls the wma decoder, right ?
23:29:37	webguest60	I can't get any videos to work on my Sansa E250, i have tryed a few different formats and none of them work, the media coder thing was supposed to change the videos to MPEG-1 but they seem to be audio files....
23:29:37	gevaerts	Llorean: we could unboost after enumeration and hope that the host leaves us alone or that we get lucky...
23:29:49	Llorean	gevaerts: Worst case if the host doesn't leave us alone?
23:30:08	gevaerts	disconnect and get thrown off the bus
23:30:30	gevaerts	or we could connect in full speed, that seems to work better without boosting
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23:30:44	Llorean	If we're charging, we don't need high speed anyway, right?
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23:31:14	froggyman	only one way to find out
23:31:15	Llorean	Is there a likely reason why the host would want to communicate with us? Or is there any sort of "I'm busy" message we can send the host saying 'leave us alone until we tell you otherwise'?
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23:31:18	webguest60	can anyone help me with that problem?
23:31:19	saratoga	MT: wma.c calls asf_read_packet, then passes the result of that to wma_decode_superframe_frame
23:31:36	gevaerts	exactly. I'm not sure if it always works in full speed though. That needs more testing...
23:32:00	saratoga	neither really calls the other, though the asf parser is essentially just a "get packet" function and a metadata parser which is only called by the buffering thread
23:32:02	Llorean	webguest60: We don't provide support for mediacoder here. The internet is full of various ways to convert videos. If you have them in the right format, and it's still not working on Rockbox's side, we can probably help you more.
23:32:43	webguest60	Rockbox supports MPEG-1 and 2 right?
23:32:52	gevaerts	Llorean: the problem is that when the clock is too low packets just don't get on the bus properly, so we can't say anything reliably. The host will probably not say anything, but it can
23:32:58	Llorean	webguest60: Yes, with MP3 audio.
23:33:22	webguest60	well what about video then, what formats are supported?
23:33:46	saratoga	decodeing then loops by calling wma_decode_superframe_frame until the packet is consumed (i think each packet contains just one superframe)
23:33:55	Llorean	webguest60: MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video, as you said
23:34:00	MT	saratoga : the parameter that I should initialize COOKContext with, come from the parser currently, I have to initialize RMContext first .. would this also be done by the buffering thread ?
23:34:48	MT	s/parameter/parameters
23:34:49	BigBambi	webguest60: If you want audio along with that video, it needs to be MP3
23:35:02	scorche	MT: finishing before the coding period isnt a bad idea at all...in fact, it is pretty damn awesome, but dont let it interfere with your schoolwork/finals =P
23:35:02	saratoga	MT: yeah
23:35:51	webguest60	MP# is audio is it not? or do they both somehow play at the same time?
23:35:56	webguest60	MP3*
23:36:02	BigBambi	MPEG1/2 is video
23:36:12	JdGordon\|	... the buffering/playback thread can pass stuff to the codecs?
23:36:13	BigBambi	In a film, you normally have both pictures and sounds
23:36:29	Llorean	webguest60: In the video file, it still has audio data (otherwise you can't hear the sound that goes with the video). This audio data needs to be MP3 in an MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 video
23:36:31	webguest60	I was able to get the audio on but not the video....
23:36:33	MT	scorche : Sure I can't let that interfere with the finals .. although it always feel pretty nice to say ''screw the finals'' !
23:36:35	BigBambi	the "pictures" must be MPEG1/2, the "sounds" must be MP3
23:36:42	Llorean	webguest60: If you got audio only, you converted wrong.
23:36:44	saratoga	in wma.c we copy the contents of the wma struct out of the codec's struct and into a seperate struct that ffmpeg expects
23:37:32	saratoga	JdGordon\|: it stores metadata, which often encodes the codec's main datastructure in the the id3 field
23:37:35	BigBambi	webguest60: www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer
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23:38:04	JdGordon\|	saratoga: ah ok
23:38:13	webguest60	I have read through that already...
23:38:47	saratoga	so whats the problem?
23:38:48	webguest60	I am not very tech literate.
23:39:03	webguest60	I cant get videos on my Sansa E250
23:39:13	BigBambi	how did you convert them?
23:40:34	webguest60	Media Coder but it just made them audio files and i find them on my device but they are audio files also...
23:40:59	BigBambi	Why not try using winff as recomended on that page?
23:41:17	webguest60	Winff?
23:41:26	saratoga	the thing on that page you read
23:41:44	webguest60	et me re-read.
23:41:49	webguest60	let*
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23:44:41	webguest60	found it....
23:46:18	webguest60	downloading now, but will it work, i have MPEG-4 VIDEO Movie/Video clips to convert to MPEG-1/2
23:46:25	BigBambi	yes
23:46:38	webguest60	does it matter wich one to convert to?
23:46:46	BigBambi	no
23:46:49	webguest60	like is MPED-2 better then MPEG 1?
23:46:51	webguest60	oh
23:46:52	webguest60	ok
23:46:58	BigBambi	And winff has presets for the e200 I think
23:47:12	webguest60	I will instal and stuff and tell you how it goes....
23:47:16	BigBambi	(go for MPEG2), but just use the preset
23:48:57	MT	BigBambi : there's this tool called GUIEncode , on a blog called 'true journals' .. have you seen it before ?
23:49:13	BigBambi	for videos etc?
23:49:44	MT	yes
23:49:55	BigBambi	not seen it, no
23:49:57	*	MT is looking for the link
23:50:36	webguest60	there is not preset for my Device
23:50:42	BigBambi	e200?
23:50:49	webguest60	wait....
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23:52:26	webguest60	my Sansa looks like this:http://www.woot.com/Images/Sale/SanDisk_Sansa_e250_2GB_Media_PlayercgtDetail.jpg is it widescreen or full screen?
23:52:30	Llorean	MT: WinFF works rather well for our users. It uses ffmpeg in the backend, has GUIs for Windows and Linux at least, and has a preset file for most of our players.
23:52:39	Llorean	webguest60: It's whether the video is widescreen or fullscreen, not your player
23:52:46	webguest60	may have been a stupid question
23:52:48	BigBambi	webguest60: You want to chose that depending on your input video
23:53:07	webguest60	hmmmmm
23:53:18	webguest60	wll i have to turn it sideways to watch videos
23:53:24	webguest60	so widescreen?
23:53:28	BigBambi	what?
23:53:40	BigBambi	Is the video you want to convert widescreen or not?
23:53:51	MT	Llorean : I've never tried it, I rarely watch videos on my sansa, but my only try back then was with guiencode and it was really straightforward and simple.
23:54:20	Llorean	MT: WinFF basically boils down to "add a list of files, choose your player from the dropdown list, click encode"
23:54:42	webguest60	I'm trying to put red vs blue videos on it and it changes the size depending on the video player (quicktime whatever)
23:55:15	BigBambi	webguest60: I can't see your videos - you will have to decide if they are widescrren or not and then convert appropriately
23:55:27	webguest60	sorry
23:55:32	BigBambi	webguest60: If you really can't decide, just do it as both then test
23:55:54	MT	Llorean : Ah, then no need for the other one. For the record, it was just as simple ..
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23:56:09	Llorean	MT: Did it have presets for all the Rockbox players builtin? ;)
23:56:11	webguest60	ok
23:56:35	MT	Llorean : It was designed as a rockbox MPEG encoder :)
23:56:35	*	Llorean thinks the presets probably _really_ need updated by now
23:56:46	BigBambi	and new ones added
23:56:57	Llorean	I think the only player it's missing is c200.
23:57:01	webguest60	well that is a few hours worth of videos, wonder how long it will take to convert....
23:57:05	Llorean	And a little duplication for things like the Gigabeast
23:57:12	BigBambi	webguest60: Why not just do one and then test it?
23:57:26	webguest60	...
23:58:13	webguest60	therei stoped it and picked a few minute video
23:58:31	BigBambi	webguest60: Good, but we don't need a running commentary :)
23:58:38	webguest60	sorry
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