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#rockbox log for 2009-05-06

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00:20:18BdN3504i sold my gigabeat f20 to a friend of mine who erased all of it's contents and now gets some error. when ´he tries to start the device up. i still have a rockboxed gigabeat f40 here with me and want to know if it is possible, that i send him my gbsystem folder, of if there are differences between the two bootloaders. will he brick his player if he puts on a f40 bl on a f20?
00:21:08toffe82BdN3504: F20 and F40 have the same gbsystem installed
00:23:53linuxstbBdN3504: Or he can download the "dummy" gbsystem folder from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Improved_Boot_Time_Optional
00:24:42BdN3504thank you
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01:25:19mik3uhh apparently the firmware was on some 20mb partition on my sansa e260, and i just reformated it :P this is repairable right? :P
01:29:21krazykitmik3, yes, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick
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01:34:56mik3thanks krazy
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04:17:11CIA-63New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20854): Keep the quickscreen from crashing the player with a divide by 0
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05:05:27Unhelpfulkkurbjun: where should this lcd mode stuff get sorted to in the plugin API? i guess with the other graphics API functions?
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06:03:15CIA-63New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20855): M:Robe 500: Make some plugins work with the touchscreen (remote support needs to be added back later)
06:03:59kkurbjunUnhelpful: I think that with the other graphic api stuff would work
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06:23:46aikre all
06:23:54aikanybody online? =)
06:24:02krazykitdo you have a question?
06:24:09aikyes
06:24:42aikHow to restore the original loader iPod?
06:25:11scorche|share you asking how to uninstall rockbox?
06:25:40aikWhen I connect it to the computer, usb the disk does not appear. iTunes it does not see.
06:26:01scorche|shuse emergency disk mode
06:26:41aikHow it to use?
06:29:12aikAt loading there is an apple. But the original insertion is not loaded
06:30:53scorche|share you even using rockbox?...you said you installed ipodlinux in their channel...
06:31:10aikits true
06:31:45aikI did not say that put rockbox
06:32:19aikBut at me it seems it has turned out to enter in disk mode
06:34:01aikrockbox too is able to show video on nano?
06:35:44Lloreanaik: Rockbox has a manual describing its many features
06:35:49kkurbjunaik, yes it is, as far as I know ipodlinux does not have a video player that can play mpeg2 encoded files
06:37:07aikgood
06:39:24Unhelpfulkkurbjun: k... i fit lcd_blit_pal256 after the other blit functions, and lcd_set_mode and lcd_pal256_update_pal after lcd_set/get_drawmode
06:41:11kkurbjunwhat does lcd set/get_drawmode do?
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06:41:39Unhelpfulset or retrieve the drawing mode... i didn't really see anything else that's quite like lcd_set_mode :/
06:41:59kkurbjunoh, like inverse or not inverse?
06:42:14Unhelpfulhm! you're right, that might be a more appropriate place.
06:42:51Unhelpfulmaybe update_pal should go after the blit functions?
06:43:01kkurbjunyeah, I think that would fit well there
06:43:23kkurbjunsorry, I didn't mean to suggest that they should go under inverse or not invers, I don't know what set/getmode do
06:43:59kkurbjunI mean, I know for hte m:robe, but I was thinking that if there are other functions with similar names maybe I should rename the hardware set mode function
06:44:36kkurbjunok, I see drawmod
06:44:39kkurbjune
06:44:47Unhelpfulwell, i think that setting the (hardware) invert on or off is much closer in function to lcd_set_mode than setting the (software graphics API) draw mode
06:45:03kkurbjunyeah, I agree
06:45:06aikeeee
06:45:31aikAt me it has turned out to restore the original loader
06:45:41kkurbjunI was just worried that the set_mode function was too similar to the ones that you were referencing, but drawmode is distinguishing enough I think
06:45:58aikNow I try to installing rockbox
06:47:59Unhelpfulah, ok... i have lcd_blit_pal256 after all of the other blit functions now, lcd_pal256_update_pal right after it, and lcd_set_mode right after lcd_set_invert_display
06:48:15kkurbjunnice, that sounds good
06:48:25kkurbjunthanks for organizing those in there btw
06:48:41kkurbjunI need to add in the gigabeat lcd_set_mode functionality now too
06:49:07kkurbjundoom is ridiculous fast on the gigabeat with palette mode :-D
06:49:41aikwhen rockbox is installed, he deleting original soft of apple?
06:50:18kkurbjunaik, no, you can still boot into the apple firmware
06:50:29Unhelpfulkkurbjun: no problem, it seemed like i should, anyway - i changed the struct custom_format that the scalers use so that jpeg can do yuv->rgb after the scaler, rather than before.
06:50:45aikkkurbjun, how?
06:51:06kkurbjunUnhelpful: I gotcha
06:51:21saratogaaik: check the manual, its all in there
06:51:24kkurbjunaik, I think you hold the menu button, it might be in the manual, most stuff is in there
06:51:39aiktnx
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06:53:59CIA-63New commit by 03unhelpful (r20856): Move YUV->RGB in JPEG load from before scaler to after scaler. Required change to struct custom_format, so sorted the plugin API as well.
06:56:39CIA-63New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20857): M:Robe 500: Get the rest of the games except doom working with the touchscreen.
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07:48:21CIA-63New commit by 03kkurbjun (r20858): M:Robe 500: More plugin keymap changes for touchscreen
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08:07:13DeeboiFr3shanyone know i fits possible to run Lua scripts on rockbox?
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08:18:37markunDeeboiFr3sh: I found this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9174
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09:42:35FruFhey guys
09:43:01FruFi just got bored and startet doom @ my ipod ... and i cannot find a way to END it =) ?
09:44:00GodEaterFruF: have you read the manual ?
09:44:13FruFindeed
09:44:40FruFi have NOT read manual @ doom
09:44:56FruFbecuase i cannot find it (thats what i have beenn tring last 10 minutes)
09:44:59ZagorBagder: do you know (can you check) why lillebror isn't used for builds?
09:45:34GodEaterFruF: on most ipods, toggling the hold switch brings up the menu in doom
09:45:41GodEaterwhich should allow you to exit
09:46:12LloreanFruF: Do you mean you can't find the Rockbox manual?
09:46:16FruFi am trsying all combos now ... the problem is the windows is almost black i cannot see a lot
09:46:22FruFhttp://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-15500010.1.7
09:46:24FruFthats all i found
09:46:57LloreanAnd it has a table that tells the keymap, including how to bring up the menu
09:47:07GodEaterFruF: why are you trying "all combos" - I just told you what to do to bring up the menu with the quit option on it ?
09:47:39FruFwell ok : i can flip the "hold" and then i can make out some kind of menue but i cannot read anything (too dark)
09:47:53GodEaterwell the bottom item is "quit"
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09:51:47FruFok i get some menue (after hold) and no matter what i do after a minute there pops up some kind of scoreboard (maybe is that the menue) ? : (with 5 boxes) do i scroll with Up - Down, or with the weel ?
09:52:08GodEaterwith the wheel
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09:53:03GodEaterI recommend actually reading the page you linked above
09:53:07GodEaterit tells you exactly what to do
09:53:53FruFyes it does but i cannot SEE the menue s i dont know what to klick =)
09:55:05linuxstbFruF: If in doubt, you can always reset your ipod (hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds). But that sounds odd...
09:55:24FruFwell ok : i know my prolem now
09:55:28FruFi get into the menue
09:55:34FruFand can choose an item
09:55:42FruFbut i always choose the same (save game)
09:55:56FruFbecuase the scrolling doesnt work
09:55:58GodEaterwell that's not the bottom one
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09:56:38FruFi see now 5 points and i see the bottomt one @ Quit just cannot get there
09:56:55GodEaterdid you flip the hold switch off again ?
09:57:00FruF=)=)
09:57:02FruFyes
09:59:21GodEaterand you still can't scroll ?
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10:00:29FruFi am trying out scolling a lot and a little and so forth =) looks like reset to me now ...
10:01:23FruFwell ok its "official" scrolling doesnt work for me
10:01:29FruFthanks for the help guys
10:01:41GodEaterstrange
10:01:54GodEaterI wonder how you got to save game if you couldn't scroll
10:02:06FruFo sorry
10:02:08FruFi was "load"
10:02:11FruFnot "save"
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10:02:27FruFi was able to read that my eyes are really adapting well to the grafiks =)=)
10:02:34GodEaterthat's still not the top option
10:02:40GodEaterthe top option is "new game"
10:02:42FruFy
10:03:23FruFi did it .. 20 times with differen scrolling types and tries. Never saw a "animation" scrolled and always ended up @ load
10:04:03GodEaterI'm not calling you a liar - I'm just puzzled.
10:04:39FruF=) i was too ,,, well lets get back to the professor in front of me =)
10:05:18GodEateryou're in a lecture doing this? :(
10:06:16FruF.. its boring computing architecture
10:06:27FruFand i cant get my ipod game to end ;) embarissing
10:06:50*Unhelpful suggests you try rockblox1d next ;P
10:07:08FruFi am trying snow ... soo relaxing
10:07:45*GodEater suggests listening to the lecture - you're paying for it after all.
10:10:06GodEaterFruF: quit with the CTCP flood.
10:10:47FruFwell smart ip my ass : where u from ?
10:11:06GodEaterwhat does it matter?
10:11:21Bagderu is from the alphabet!
10:11:37FruFsounds like "US" point of view @ paying
10:11:43BigBambiwrong
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10:30:55FruFso die Herren. Thanks for beeing so patient wih me Eater =) Its getting more complicatet now
10:31:01FruFgotta go cu
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13:49:02Peace-_i have unassembled a zen creative micro yesterday
13:49:48Peace-_i have taken some picture
13:49:50Peace-_s
13:51:31pyro_maniac1so upload them in the wiki for the zen devices
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14:32:54`adrianhey
14:32:56`adrianhey
14:33:13`adrianaee
14:33:48pyro_maniac1`adrian: do you have a question?
14:33:58`adriancan you hack the ipod nano 3rd gen i heard you cant
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14:34:53LambdaCalculus37Not worth answering anyway...
14:35:09LambdaCalculus37It's been answered how many times already?
14:35:28pyro_maniac1there seems to be a reset for every day
14:36:51LambdaCalculus37We might as well set up a bot that answers people who ask about the newer nanos.
14:37:15pyro_maniac1sounds good :-)
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15:30:33CIA-63New commit by 03MarcGuay (r20859): Add Sudoku to the plugins/CATEGORIES file. No functional change.
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15:44:44linuxstbMarcGuay: Doesn't buildzip.pl use the entry in viewers.config to move viewer plugins? So CATEGORIES only needs those plugins not listed in viewers?
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16:01:12MarcGuaylinuxstb: I'm not familiar with the details, but I asked around yesterday and got the impression it should be in that file as well. Other viewers are in both categories and viewers.config.
16:01:40MarcGuayOther viewers that are both viewers and stand-alone plugins.
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16:55:03LambdaCalculus37Question... to build the manual in HTML, what argument do I pass to make?
16:56:25linuxstbMarcGuay: I've only looked quickly at buildzip.pl, and if I'm understanding it correctly, it first moves all the plugins mentioned in viewers.config to their correct directory, and then moves the ones listed in CATEGORIES. So it seems to me that nothing mentioned in viewers.config should be in CATEGORIES, as those entries are ignored.
16:56:52linuxstbi.e. sudoku was right, and everything else was wrong (IIUC)
16:57:18linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Does "make help" help?
16:57:54LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: It should. :P
16:58:09*LambdaCalculus37 should be less absent-minded somedays ;)
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17:11:15pixelmaLambdaCalculus37: there is also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto#Build_the_manual
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17:13:37LambdaCalculus37pixelma, linuxstb: Thanks!
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17:23:21Peace-guys
17:23:34Peace-if you want some information about zen micro i found a lots
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17:24:27evilnick_230Peace-: Perhaps you should add it to the Wiki for that port?
17:24:28Peace-http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/articles/view.php?cid=9&id=1331&pg=5
17:24:39Peace-i i think this should be usefull
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17:26:28Peace-evilnick_230: mm i have to register xD
17:28:57LambdaCalculus37So register.
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17:29:22Peace-well i think i will do
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17:31:35LambdaCalculus37Please register with your real name! (the One Rule)
17:32:16LambdaCalculus37Once you're done, come back and tell us what your name is, and we'll give you editing rights.
17:33:55markunPeace-: the reason you have to come back is to prevent spammers from creating accounts and linking to their sites in our wiki
17:34:17Peace-?
17:34:37Peace-oh i am an simple user
17:34:42Peace-i am not a kid
17:34:52MarcGuayIs there a way to compile a plugin on it's own or does the entire tree have to be built every time?
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17:36:19HillshumMarcGuay: make rocks , and change /apps/plugins/SOURCES to just your plugin
17:36:36MarcGuayHillshum: Thanks.
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17:47:04CIA-63New commit by 03MarcGuay (r20860): Change (I)installer to (I)nstaller to match the convention.
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17:57:04mtlinuxstb : FS #10182 .. The only remaining issue is that I get lots of compiler warnings, the test program compiles and works properly though. Should I ignore those warnings and start porting ?
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18:01:19saratogaMT: you'll need to fix those warnings before we can commit (warnings show up on the build page as yellow), but you can fix then later if you want to get to work on the rockbox parts first
18:03:27mtIf they should be avoided, I think it would be easier to fix them now ?
18:04:03mtsaratoga : another question, is there a way to make gcc display the warnings for just one file or in small chunks, something like that ?
18:04:28saratogaMT: I'm not sure, how many warnings do you get? I can take a look at your code now
18:05:53mtsaratoga : really lots of warnings :/
18:08:32Peace-omg i can't write on the wiki
18:08:37Peace--.-''
18:09:17pyro_maniac1mt: did you tried the silent mode?
18:10:10evilnick_230Peace-: What's your Wiki username?
18:10:15pyro_maniac1mt: there is a flag for make to display only warnings and errors. maybe that helps
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18:11:49mtpyro_maniac1 : I didn't try silent .. make already displays warnings, they're just too much for me to follow easily :)
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18:12:43pyro_maniac1mt: ok, i thougth that the whole make output confuses you
18:12:51saratogaPeace-: you need to use your real name
18:13:10Peace-saratoga: well no i will not use mine personal name
18:13:20saratogathen you will not use the wiki
18:13:30Peace-okj
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18:15:07saratogaMT: i get an error trying to compile your latest patch
18:15:49mtsaratoga : what is it ? (I've just compiled it now and it works though)
18:15:51saratogathouugh maybe its my machine . . .
18:16:10saratogahttp://www.mibbit.com/pb/z1Tac5
18:16:17saratogai'll look into this now
18:18:15mtah yes it's an error in my code .. I don't know why I didn't receive it though !
18:19:07saratogawhat are S_IRUSR,S_IWUSR for?
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18:19:37mtin my code .. rm2wav.c line 43 "...,I_SRUSR,I_SWUSR) ;" should be "..|I_SRUSR|I_SWUSR); "
18:19:59saratogayeah I see that, but what do they actually do? I don't think open needs them
18:20:02mt** S_IRUSR .
18:20:07mtpermissions
18:20:41mtto give read and write permissions to "user"
18:20:54saratogaah when you create the file
18:21:00saratogaok seems sensible enough
18:21:03mtyes
18:21:11saratogai'm too used to windows
18:21:23mtAh ok :)
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18:25:03mtsaratoga : most of the warnings are of unused/uninitialized variables
18:25:09saratogayeah
18:25:22saratogaand the ones in main and rmdec aren't too important since they won't be used by rockbox anyway
18:26:34saratogaincluding string.h to cook.c would probably fix a bunch too
18:27:18mtstring.h for which warnings ?
18:28:07mtfor memset & memcpy ?
18:28:20saratogayeah
18:28:31saratogathough in rockbox thats provided by codec.h I think
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18:35:19LambdaCalculus37YES!!! YES YES YES!!
18:35:28LambdaCalculus37Beastpatcher sees the Gigabeat T!
18:35:34saratoganice
18:35:41saratoganow you get to brick it and then figure out how to unbrick
18:35:51LambdaCalculus37saratoga: :D
18:36:08LambdaCalculus37saratoga: I could send it the beast bootloader and see what it does. :)
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18:36:50LambdaCalculus37Who dares me to send it the beast bootloader? ;)
18:36:52saratogai don't remember how the booloader works on the beast, but make sure it defaults to the OF before you do that, since button GPIOs may not match
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18:44:15LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Do you think it would be good to copy the firmware/target/arm/imx31/gigabeat-s folder to a new gigabeat-t folder?
18:44:37LambdaCalculus37From that, I can make necessary adjustments for the T.
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18:45:59saratogaLambdaCalculus37: for now I don't think it matters
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18:49:20LambdaCalculus37saratoga: Right.
18:49:50saratogalets see if you can send something without bricking it first
18:49:58saratogai'd be very careful about this
18:50:31saratogayou probably want to proceed like on the AMS ports, where you make sure it can always fall back to the OF
18:50:52saratogaand then carefully add stuff so that you don't brick it
18:52:03*LambdaCalculus37 crosses his fingers and sends the beast bootloader in
18:52:40toffe82beaSt or beasT :)
18:53:12LambdaCalculus37saratoga: beastpatcher managed to install the bootloader but couldn't close the session, so I got recovery mode.
18:53:23saratogadid the firmware take?
18:53:35toffe82same screen as the S for the recovery ?
18:53:51LambdaCalculus37toffe82: Similar screen, but yes.
18:54:16LambdaCalculus37It's telling me to use the firmware updater for the Gigabeat T to restore.
18:54:42toffe82so , no way to brick it? you have the updater ?
18:54:57LambdaCalculus37toffe82: Yeah, I have the one from the wiki page.
18:55:17LambdaCalculus37But that's a good sign. :)
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18:57:04LambdaCalculus37It confirms for me that the Gigabeat T is using the same firmware/data partition structure that the beast uses, and it means that there may be an exploit there for us to find.
18:57:36LambdaCalculus37Bagder: Good news... a little headway has been made with the Gigabeat T!
18:57:54saratogaLambdaCalculus37: if it took the firmware at all I'd say the exploit from the Beast is working, otherwise I think sendfirm would have failed right?
18:58:07toffe82LambdaCalculus37: from what I know, Toshiba has been consistant in all the gigabeat... hardware and software
18:58:23LambdaCalculus37saratoga: I didn't use sendfirm... I used beastpatcher.
18:58:28LambdaCalculus37I'll try with sendfirm as well.
18:58:28*toffe82 should test on the V
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18:58:54LambdaCalculus37toffe82: I'm just hoping that that exploit from the beast is still there in the V.
18:59:08LambdaCalculus37It would mean that laziness and bad eyesight abound at Toshiba. ;)
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19:00:15toffe82the V is older than the T so if you think it works on the T it should work on the V
19:01:21toffe82even with of 1.2 on the S , rockbox is working, I didn't try with of v1.3, but if it does, that means they never fix it
19:02:20LambdaCalculus37toffe82: Try it out with v1.3. I want to know if they never did fix it.
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19:02:34LambdaCalculus37saratoga: For the record, I updated the firmware to v1.2 on the T before trying this.
19:02:58toffe82I will try tonight if I have some time
19:04:19LambdaCalculus37Okay.
19:04:41LambdaCalculus37I'll try sending the beast firmware with sendfirm later tonight as well.
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19:07:37mtsaratoga : fixed some warnings .. The rest of the warnings are insignificant, I think if I decrease the warning level a little bit they'd disappear. (it complains about stuff like things declared in headers and used only in .c's)
19:08:41saratogaMT: sounds good
19:09:01mtnext is porting then :)
19:09:20saratogathe next step then will be converting the headers and such to work with rockbox's, which are a bit different then standard c
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19:09:51saratogaso you could put your files in apps/codecs/libcook and then copy a makefile from libwma
19:09:54saratogaand start fixing errors
19:11:18mtok, I have to go now though..
19:11:22mt Bye everyone !
19:11:35saratogabye
19:13:33n1sLambdaCalculus37: did you try sending a vanilla S firmware?
19:14:54LambdaCalculus37n1s: No, not yet.
19:15:21LambdaCalculus37I'm going to try sending three things with sendfirm... a vanilla S firmware, a patched S firmware, and a patched T firmware.
19:15:44LambdaCalculus37That's on the agenda for tonight.
19:15:53n1ssounds like a good plan
19:15:56n1sjust a wild guess but there might be some kind of target id header or something
19:19:57LambdaCalculus37n1s: Yeah, I have to pick apart the nk.bin file from the Gigabeat T firmware updater.
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19:47:13LambdaCalculus37As I understand it, the beast (and I guess the V and T) have to be in recovery mode in order for sendfirm to work, right?
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19:48:43*evilnick_7 thinks so too
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19:58:24LambdaCalculus37evilnick_7: Then I guess I'll not restore the firmware on my T right now. ;)
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20:06:48*n1s doesn't remember any need for recovery mode to use sendfirm
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20:08:55BigBambiIt doesn't need to be
20:09:16BigBambiFor the S, if you do it from the OF then you it'll take it without formatting the disk
20:09:40BigBambi-the second you
20:10:21LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: I know about that method, since it's useful if you want to preserve your stuff.
20:10:40LambdaCalculus37But since I only copied one song onto the T, and I still have it on my Mac, I'm not too bothered by formatting it.
20:10:59BigBambiLambdaCalculus37: Then why did you think it had to be in recovery mode in order to use sendfirm?
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20:12:57LambdaCalculus37BigBambi: Only because each time I used sendfirm, I had it in recovery mode and started thinking that you needed to have your device in recovery mode first.
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20:17:01mahoneyhttp://fixmysansa.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-do-not-take-any-responsibility-for_22.html
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20:17:15mahoneyexcellent unbricking instructions :P
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20:27:20bertrik_mahoney, the instructions use e200tool which is only really needed if it's already in a rather deeply bricked state (I've never managed to go that far). It's way over the head for some of the people in the responses there (who can't tell the difference between a file and a directory)
20:28:22*gevaerts thinks that bertrik_ should try harder
20:28:28mahoneyif you can't follow those directions you should take your computer back to wal-mart and apologize for wasting their time
20:28:42mahoneyand yes, my device was bricked that bad.
20:29:14gevaertsmahoney: out of curiosity, how did you get it in that state?
20:29:42mahoneygevaerts, wanted to reformat it, wiped the 20mb partition that holds the firmware
20:30:11gevaertsthat seems to be the common way
20:30:36JdGordon|ah, its not that hard to brick the sansa
20:30:36mahoneythat's probably why people get such good refurb deals on them
20:30:38bertrik_gevaerts, how about writing a *bricking* guide? :P
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20:31:00JdGordon|dd if=/dev/zero of=/<sansa> is a easy eay to do it
20:32:40gevaertsbertrik_: maybe I should do that :)
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22:23:30soapThe current forum thread "Click wheel unresponsive" really makes no sense to me.
22:26:13soapLet's go out on a limb here... The ipod _mini_ 1st and 2nd generation have different keypads. ASSuming the question poster is incorrect and has a mini not a nano, would a 2nd gen Mini binary load on a 1st gen Mini?
22:26:46evilnick_230Probably worth checking with the user
22:27:08soapWhat if someone had made a franken-iPod with parts from first and second gen Minis? Would the apple firmware recognize the scrollwheel of a 2nd gen on the mainboard of a first gen?
22:27:26soapFor he claims the wheel works perfectly in the OF, but not in RB or IPL.
22:28:01evilnick_230That sounds plausible, but more unlikely, I'd say
22:28:17soapRight now my brain is in a rut and the only scenarios I can envision are where Apple makes less assumptions about what hardware is attached than RB / IPL - and I can only make that scenario work if it is indeed a mini...
22:28:25soap(probably barking up the wrong tree)
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22:29:56JdGordon|the bootloader shouldnt let it load the wrong version
22:30:25pixelmacould there be different hardware revisions on the Nano (and its wheel too) as that also seems to be quite common with Apple products?
22:30:51JdGordon|possibly, but we would have seen this already if that was the case...
22:30:56JdGordon|well, I wouldnt tihnk so anyway
22:32:06*soap wonders if a 2nd gen Nano wheel would fit in a 1st gen Nano body.
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22:33:42JdGordon|I'm inclined to say "sorry, we have nfi whats the problem... better stick it out with the OF"
22:33:43*evilnick_230 wonders how likely is it that Apple would allow the 2nd gen wheel to work fine on the 1st gen body on the off-chance someone would do this
22:34:13JdGordon|or ask him for a pic of the ipod to make sure nothing wierd is happening
22:34:55evilnick_230Maybe we should point him to the Apple page that shows what all the different models look like
22:35:19evilnick_230So as to confirm that he DOES have a 2nd gen Nano and not Mini
22:35:41JdGordon|1st gen nano
22:35:42*evilnick_230 sees that soap has just done exactly that!
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23:40:00froggymanwould a N64 emulator for the Gigabeat S be possible?
23:40:32krazykitnot really
23:40:56krazykityou'd need a whole lot more buttons than the S has, not to mention loads more memory and processing power
23:40:56froggymanIt has a hgiher clock speed than the PSP (333mhz vs. the 528 mhz beast)
23:41:08froggymanand it does have 14 buttons for controlls
23:41:14mcuelenaerefroggyman: different architecture..
23:43:07froggymandoes the architecture matter? @ krazykit: the psp only has 32mb of ram, and it is possible
23:43:49mcuelenaerefroggyman: you can't just compare clock speeds (+ there are a lot more factors than that)
23:44:02krazykitright, but does the psp have hardware acceleration for the 3d? that'd be a concern as well
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23:44:19mcuelenaerethat's one of the other factors
23:46:15froggymanok, I see what you mean, plus now that i think about it there arent many games that do work(at 80-100% of full speed) for its homebrew N64 emulator
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23:46:58mcuelenaerefroggyman: besides the hardware (speed) thing, there's also the (more important) software thing
23:47:22mcuelenaereyou can't just run some app on Rockbox
23:48:02froggymanyeah there would deffinately need to be alot of porting of an already fast emulator (then it would probaly need to be made faster)
23:49:26froggymanso it might be theoritcly possible, but would need alot of time from a lot of devolpers, right?
23:54:33FlynDicebertrik: Taking a look at look shortly, thanks for flagging me.

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