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#rockbox log for 2009-05-08

00:00:30JdGordon|I'm not sure this will be such an issue though.... I tihnk when this is all finished there will be a wps-like screen constantly being redrawn, and inside that there will be a rectangle for the ui which will be drawn when needed
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00:00:49JdGordon|it shoudlnt ever be more than that
00:01:04kugelconstantly redrawn sounds horrid :/
00:01:29JdGordon|replace todays statusbar with a wps and you have what im takling about
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00:17:00amiconnThe statusbar doesn't cause the problem because its width is equal to the screen width and its height is a multiple of 8
00:17:30amiconnChange the latter and the update problem will start appearing on mono and vertically-packed greyscale targets
00:18:49JdGordon|we are talking about what? 1px error lines?
00:19:27JdGordon|or up to 8 even?
00:19:47JdGordon|really not a big deal, the work around is to make it clear to themeres that this is posible and to be aware of the limitations
00:21:55amiconnUp to 7 pixels
00:22:32amiconnThat is, up to 8 in total at horizontal boundaries; up to 7 pixels into either viewport
00:23:13amiconnSame applies to vertical boundaries on horizontally-packed greyscale targets (8 pixels) and to a lesser degree to some colour targets (2 pixels)
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00:35:27dfktare there any plans of implementing FFWD/REW with audio in rockbox?
00:35:49BigBambinobody is working on it AFAIK
00:36:35JdGordon|its pretty much a nodo isnt it?
00:36:41dfkti was looking around but didn't find any mentioning of it at all
00:37:20BigBambiJdGordon|: Not that I'm aware of
00:37:24scorche|shsomething that wont be done/acceptable out of principle
00:37:38BigBambiI was under the impression that it is a pretty massive job
00:37:47BigBambiAnd nobody had attempted it
00:37:57BigBambiBut I've not seen it as a NODO anywhere
00:37:59dfktmassive job i understand, principle i don't understand :)
00:39:55JdGordon|the argument against it is that if you've already heard the part you wanted its too late...
00:40:08JdGordon|so there is no gain over just dionging it blindly
00:40:26BigBambiJdGordon|: But that doesn't make it a NODO
00:40:40JdGordon|unless you do it like my pvr thingy which rewinds 1 or 2 sec before playing again
00:40:41dfkti was just FFWDing a 90 minute mixtape, and it would really come in handy to hear when the next track starts
00:41:18scorche|shi wouldnt say it is a NODO could be handy
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00:41:47JdGordon|nodo in the sense that noone had any intention of adding it... not that it would be rejected if someone did put in the effort
00:41:53saratogatheres a thread about it in the forums
00:42:09saratogai don't think its a NODO but i think it would be quite difficult on most players given the CPU constraints
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00:42:36JdGordon|the beast could do it!
00:42:38saratogaare there any commercial players that implement it?
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00:42:46dfktall cowons
00:42:53dfktincluding the ancient x5
00:43:02saratogaeven the X5 or just the newer ones?
00:43:10dfktx5, d2, s9, etc
00:43:10saratogathe new ones have quite fast CPUs
00:43:17dfktbut yes, x5 too
00:43:19scorche|shthe archos did it too, but..
00:43:29JdGordon|well hang on... isnt there a patch to speed up playback? that could be used to do it.. assuming it can speed it up enough
00:44:00saratogado they speed it up or just play short clips as you go
00:44:04exposure101im not seeing much info about the Gen 6 ipod, will it even install?
00:44:18scorche|shthe latter, i would assume
00:44:21dfktsaratoga, sounds the same as cd player FFWD
00:44:29dfktchopped up bits
00:44:36dfktbut no speeding up
00:44:40saratogathat makes sense
00:44:47saratogacan they do it for Vorbis as well as MP3?
00:44:53exposure101hows everyone?
00:45:02saratogahmm so thats pretty good then
00:45:12dfktflac too, iirc
00:45:20saratogathey either have a lot of really fast codecs or maybe its not as slow as i'd think
00:45:43scorche|shexposure101: no...ports dont quite work like that...each one requires a separate port for all of the hardware and any method to be able to run code
00:46:04saratogai guess it could be faked by issuing a lot of seek requests in sucession
00:46:31scorche|shonly thing i can find in the tracker about it:
00:46:37dfktwell, any hint on where you are while FFWDing is helpful
00:46:41saratogamost of the codecs return less then 100ms worth of audio at a time
00:46:48exposure101thx scorche|sh
00:47:00saratogaso i guess request 200ms, then skip ahead a few seconds and so on
00:47:00BigBambisaratoga: the H100 OF did it too
00:47:09saratogaany PP targets?
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01:19:11kugelhow about this: if splashf was called with ticks > 0, then draw the splash, update the viewport, clear the viewport, then update after the sleep is over (so the splash is removed). if ticks == zero, then draw splash, update and clear, but do not sleep and post to the root_menu to do a fullscreen update()
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01:52:41JdGordonkugel: ? both cases should be the same regarding redrawing...
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02:28:37CIA-38New commit by 03kugel (r20870): Convert splashes to viewports for bitmap targets and only draw/update the viewport that is needed instead of the whole screen.
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02:29:33froggymanOn my iPod video (build is only a few days old) I keep getting messages displaying "CODEC FAILIURE" when i am playing through albums, it then skips that song and continues to the next one; they are 320kps AAC files
02:30:07froggymanany idea on how to fix this? oh and btw the files that are skipped can be played by them self
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02:30:25kugelJdGordon: I think it makes sense to remove the splash within splashf() since it has control over the viewport, and since a timeout was given
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02:33:58kugelWhy should getting rid of the dead parts created by splash() the job of the caller if it can be done within splash() too
02:34:47kugelit's just that it cannot be done with ticks == 0. We could of course think about removing that possibility altogether
02:35:40Unhelpfulticks == 0 can actually be useful, though - for example, for peppering code that hangs with splashf's ;)
02:37:09kugelUnhelpful: other suggestions are welcome too :)
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02:43:54kugelweird binsize distribution
02:46:04JdGordonkugel: because you still have the same problem with the screen not getting redrawn under it
02:46:40froggymananybody know why i am getting this codec failure? its seems to happen fairly frequently, too
02:47:12JdGordonfroggyman: how long ago did you update?
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02:48:10froggymana couple of days ago (so it is quite recent)
02:48:36froggymandidnt add any patches to it, just got the pre-compiled build
02:48:55kugelJdGordon: yea. But still. The caller is responsible for refilling the parts of *his* viewport(s) overwritten by the splash, but not for cleaning up the display outside of its viewports
02:49:56kugelalso, that would solve issues with multiple splashes
02:52:05kugelin both cases splash behaves differently, why shouldn't be dealt with its impact differently (but properly) too?
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04:31:20CarterAnyone else encountering errors running rockbox on 5g ipod
04:31:58krazykitwhat kind of errors?
04:33:19CarterI cannot run rockbox.ipod for some reason
04:34:12cool_walking_What is the exact error?
04:34:35CarterCannot run rockbox.ipod
04:37:42CarterI used Rockbox Utility to install
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04:40:09cool_walking_Are you sure it isn't "Can't load rockbox.ipod: <something>"?
04:41:16CarterI think that is what it is
04:41:45Unhelpfulknowing what the "something" is might help us help you?
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04:44:40CarterJust reinstalled, it runs now. Thanks though, it's nice that you guys have a medium of support for your users
04:46:12CarterAlso, can I sync with Itunes or do I have to manually drag n drop?
04:46:47krazykiteither one
04:46:57cool_walking_iTunes munts the filenames, so if you want to usefully use iTunes, you'll need to use Rockbox's database feature.
04:47:30CarterAlright where is that
04:47:52cool_walking_It's in the manual.
04:48:24CarterThank you.
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04:49:34cool_walking_Section 4. Browsing and playing
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04:54:28cool_walking_Carter, if you are using a "current build" (as opposed to the latest release, 3.2), you need to make sure you are in the Apple firmware's disk mode (rather than Rockbox's) in order to sync with iTunes.
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04:56:40CarterItunes is telling me that my ipod is corrupted.
04:56:55CarterShould I just use manual drag n drop?
04:57:26cool_walking_You can, but you will only be able to play music copied with that method with Rockbox, not with the Apple firmware.
05:01:58CarterIs there a certain folder that I must copy my music to?
05:04:56cool_walking_If you don't see your files, they may be hidden. Check Rockbox's "Show Files" setting ( ).
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05:46:51CIA-38New commit by 03unhelpful (r20871): Plugin JPEG decoder for data in memory, along with test_mem_jpeg.c and bench_mem_jpeg.c plugins to test and benchmark it, and a line-length clean up ...
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05:59:52CIA-38New commit by 03unhelpful (r20872): Fix red.
06:19:12CIA-38New commit by 03unhelpful (r20873): Small size improvement for JPEG on ARM/Coldfire.
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08:18:12toffe82I have a strange thing on the battery bench file for the X, it start at 02:49:17
08:19:39toffe82and finished at 17:53:11, so the real time is 15 hour or 18 H ??
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08:32:45paulk_Hello ! i've got a sansa e250v1 with the USb firmware. In ubuntu 8.10 (i'm using ubuntu), it was corresclty working. in ubuntu 9.04, i can't mount the sansa, please, can you help me ???
08:36:04paulk_no ?
08:36:51paulk_ok, i'll try by another way, bye !
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08:37:03GodEaterpaulk_: there is a bug in ubuntu's HAL layer which marks the sansa as an MTP device
08:37:05GodEaterhave some patience!
08:37:32GodEatermorning everybody ;)
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08:40:31JdGordonarg, morning already? i should goto bed :(
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09:35:51*GodEater enjoys Bagder's screencast on how to build rockbox
09:42:29Bagderthe missing compiler in the PATH was a bonus! ;-)
09:43:57GodEaterI think perhaps another screen cast showing how easy it is to build the cross compilers would be good
09:43:58LloreanVideos with common things that can go wrong might not be bad in general. Help reduce the general "I don't understand this error" panic
09:44:22Bagderyeah, building cross-compilers and setup PATH etc is a good idea
09:44:26GodEaterthe commentary on the error could have been better "the path is there but it's not in the path"
09:44:46GodEaterwouldn't make a whole lot of sense if you didn't already know what you were talking about :)
09:44:46linuxstbOgg Tremor?
09:44:47Bagderindeed, I thought that as well when I heard myself afterwards...
09:44:58GodEaterbut on the whole - I liked it :)
09:45:11GodEaterTheora presumably ;)
09:45:21GodEatertoo many "T" words
09:45:39LloreanI like the idea of official videos, especially ones about processes that won't change often so we don't need to worry so much about updating
09:46:33*GodEater wonders who has the best speaking voice on the RB staff
09:46:45Bagderif you come up with specific ideas I could try doing a few
09:47:02Bagdernot that I have the best voice but...
09:47:18GodEateryou're perfectly understandable
09:47:59*GodEater also enjoyed the quick peak he got at the forums "admin" button that he never sees :)
09:48:26Bagderhehe, yeah I was a little worried in general what things that could possible get revealed in all this
09:48:38Bagderlike the quick view of some urls in my browser history
09:48:51GodEaterwell at least you didn't dive into the "Forums admin" bit and open up the "users we hate" thread :)
09:49:01GodEateryouporn / redtube ? :)
09:49:07BagderI'll add that as a separate idea ;-)
09:49:26Bagder"video: this is how we deal with annoying users"
09:50:40GodEaterI wonder what other videos we should do ?
09:50:50GodEater"Idiot's guide to RBUtil" ?
09:51:08LloreanA guide to rbutil might actually be pretty useful
09:51:36BagderI don't think I'm the most suitable person for that though
09:51:41LloreanSpecifically, people seem to like to change things *after* autodetect detects them. Somehow it's not clear that once you've clicked it, unless it says it can't find something it's done
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09:52:36cool_walking_You'll eventually need docs on how to watch the videos...
09:53:13GodEaterwhy ?
09:53:35cool_walking_A video detailing how to use RbUtil?
09:55:04cool_walking_Isn't the purpose of RbUtil to be the "easy" method? If you're giving them instructions why can't they just do the manual method?
09:55:24Bagderif the easy fails, give them the harder way?
09:56:17cool_walking_What's the difference between instructions saying "click here" and instructions saying "type this here"?
09:56:35Bagderpeople are scared of command lines and text mode
09:56:49Bagderthat's one big diff
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10:42:25GodEatermt-: it's worth asking whatever it is you want to know anyway
10:42:31GodEatereven if linuxstb isn't currently here
10:42:40GodEaterit's possible someone else might know :)
10:43:39mt-GodEater : It's just that I wanted to know what he thought of the patches that he told me about, other than that I would've just asked :)
10:44:02GodEaterwell he'll see the question when he logs in later
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11:58:32kugelUnhelpful: wouldn't it be faster to read/write an int at a time, not a char (in getc/putc)?
11:59:52Unhelpfulkugel: would it? a *whole* lot of the data is bit- or byte-oriented.
12:01:04kugelI'm not sure, but using the native data type is generally faster
12:01:29kugelif you're reading many chars in a loop, reading ints will most likely be faster
12:01:32Unhelpful"native" being 32-bit? there are pretty much none of those.
12:01:47Unhelpfulfaster, even if i want chars?
12:02:49kugelwhy should you want chars?
12:03:30kugelour strcmp and strcpy read/write 32bit at a time too in their fast versions
12:03:40Unhelpfulbecause of the amount of the data that *is* chars.
12:04:34Unhelpfulthe huffman tables and quantization tables are big blocks of characters. markers are all headed by a 0xff followed by a 1-byte marker ID.
12:04:41kugelI haven't looked at the jpeg code much, but - if possible - reading native should be preferred
12:05:34Unhelpfuland what i'm trying to say is that most of the header is a packed array of characters. the rest of the image is a packed stream of bits.
12:06:22Unhelpfulpretty much the only 16-bit values are the marker size - on markers that have one. and i'm pretty sure there's nothing that's stored as a 32-bit value.
12:06:37kugelthe header is not the issue I'd think, that's neglible compared to the image data anyway, isn't it?
12:06:55kugelit doesn't have to be stored as 32bit value
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12:09:49kugelour fast strcmp reads longs at a time too
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12:11:45Unhelpfulkugel: during the image decode, the data goes into a bit buffer, which may have bits in it already. if we really want to be able to read a long at a time, we'll need the bitbuffer to be 64 bits wide, so that we can 32 + whatever's in there. you really should look at what the jpeg code needs to do, i don't think there's a very good case for aligned reads of larger sizes.
12:13:59kugelI just asked, you probably know it better
12:14:20kugelI'm just saying that messing with chars is generally slower than using the native format
12:15:11Unhelpfuli understand, and the decoder uses larger types after the bitstream data has been unpacked and decoded -
12:15:55kugelafter that only scaling comes?
12:16:48Unhelpfulno, not only scaling. it's unpack -> dequantize -> IDCT -> scale
12:17:00kugelusing a 64bit buffer might still be faster
12:17:09Unhelpfulnext step is supporting direct-to-native output without using the scaler.
12:17:24kugeloh, I though "unpack -> dequantize -> IDCT" is part of decoding
12:18:49Unhelpfulbasically, the image data is a series of variable-length Huffman codes. each Huffman code encodes the length of the data that follows it, and in the case of the AC coefficients, the length of the run of zeroes between coefficients.
12:22:22Unhelpfulso, the Huffman codes are themselves bitstrings of arbitrary length. then you get an encoded length from the Huffman code, and you read that many bits, and sign-extend. none of these odd-length-of-bits items are byte-aligned, because that would make using them in the first place rather pointless.
12:25:33Unhelpfulalso, we need to be able to detect byte-aligned patterns within this stream of data. a byte-aligned 0xFF indicates a marker. a literal run of 8 1 bits, if it happens to be byte-aligned, has to be stored as FF 00. and then, if restart markers are in use, those are FF <ID>
12:26:35mt-I wonder if using git would be of benefit for the mentors as it would benefit me ?
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12:27:04Unhelpfulsome of the devs use git already :)
12:27:04markunmt-: you mean, if it would benefit them more than you?
12:27:24markunI use git, but haven't been much of a dev lately
12:28:27mt-markun : not exactly .. I mean what benefit would they gain if I use git rather than svn ? (for me, branching and merging .. enough said!)
12:29:17kugelUnhelpful: well, you could mask with some &-combo for that I'd think
12:30:18markunmt-: well, you can make them happy by committing often locally and then produce many diffs to be committed in svn
12:30:22Unhelpfuli seem to recall there was a bit-twiddling hack for detecting the presence of a 0 byte in larger value
12:31:17kugelthat's what done in strcmp
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12:32:45mtmarkun : umm, still can't really see the difference between that and producing a diff using svn ?
12:33:05Unhelpfulyou're welcome to take a shot at it. i rather think that with all the table lookups and multiplications being done that it will be hard to speed things up.
12:33:20markunmt: I guess not, as long as you make the diffs after every major change
12:34:19Unhelpfuli hope that the scaler-free output will give a boost, since that's getting rid of a few extra multiplies per pixel... of course, if we want output at other than 1:8, 1:4, 1:2, or 1:1, that's no help.
12:35:19markunmt: also, with git I think it will be easier to try something out and revert to your last commit in case it's not the right way
12:36:06markunbut just use svn if that works well enough :) The change to git will also cost you some time.
12:36:32Unhelpfuli assume that after a has-zero test our strcmp just has to examine each byte to find the zero?
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12:38:11kugelor rather, if it finds a \0, handle the rest byte-wise
12:38:15mtsvn is fine for me till now, I have yet to encounter a situation where it failed me, other than I have multiple working dirs for different 'features' .. that's why the most tempting part I see in using git is branching
12:39:02Unhelpfulthe real pain there might be if the *last* byte in is FF, because then i need to see the next byte, but i've got at least 32 bits in the bitbuffer :/
12:41:19Unhelpfulalso, i rather fear trying to use a 64-bit buffer... how many targets have a 64-bit wide shift instruction? if they don't have one, manipulating the buffer reduces to several 32-bit wide shifts and masks and ORs that will probably be as bad as using getc.
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13:37:53mtafter separating rm parser and cook decoder, to use the parser (#include its header) , should I make a shared library (librm) and export it to PATH ?
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13:40:46peturanyone with a nano care to help ?
13:42:33LloreanLet me see if I can find my cable.
13:45:02pixelmaI believe I once saw in a sim (and looking at the code) that the recording screen mappings on the Ipods aren't completely working
13:45:44pixelmanot 100% sure, but IIRC there were some actions "overlapping" or somesuch
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13:49:21pixelmaah, I think what I saw was that the recording screen's context menu wasn't reachable
13:49:43*Llorean needs to charge his nano a bit before he can test
13:49:56*pixelma suggests a sim
13:51:48LloreanThere's definitely a problem with the screen.
13:52:03LloreanTap of "Play" pauses recording. Medium press splits the file. Long press stops recording after splitting the file.
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13:59:39pixelmaone is "Play" with button repeat and "Play" as pre condition (new file) and the other (stop) is probably the standard cancel action which is "Play" with button repeat and BUTTON_NONE as pre
14:01:22LloreanThe stop seems to happen on the release, or so it feels
14:06:02pixelmaI wonder where that definition of ACTION_STD_CANCEL is used at all on the Ipods (there are two, the other one works with BUTTON_LEFT)
14:06:35pixelmabutton_context_standard in keymap-ipod.c
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14:19:17MarcGuayGetting rid of "__NEXTLIST(CONTEXT_STD)" at the end of recording_context would do the trick I think. This is my fault, by the way, if anyone's looking to blame someone. But if it helps, it looks like the ipods had _no_ recording screen functions before I put them there.
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14:20:01MarcGuayDo the buttons defined in ther NEXTLIST override the previous ones?
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14:34:34pixelmaif I understand correctly then no, first one is important. But the actions are slightly different there
14:35:44pixelmaif they would be completely the same, the second one has no meaning at all
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14:50:09GodEateris it possible to tell from the forum stats somewhere when the last time a thread was "read" is ?
14:50:35LloreanNot anywhere in the UI at least.
14:51:08GodEaterI was just wondering if the massively misnamed "simple guide to compiling" thread still needed to be sticky
14:52:17LloreanUnsticky it and find out. :)
14:52:39LloreanI wouldn't mind retiring it.
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14:56:16GodEaterdropped down the forum straight away
14:56:29GodEaterconf. call - back later
14:57:42LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Should we resticky the thread, or do you really want to just retire it?
14:58:19LloreanLet it fall away
14:58:30LloreanJust direct people to the wiki page if it becomes necessary
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15:29:34MarcGuayCould someone help me debug this: I'm trying to reuse "wavbuf1" over and over but it seems to crash when I've played too many samples, leading me to believe that memset() isn't clearing it...
15:33:09linuxstbMarcGuay: Can you post some more of your code? e.g. how are all those variables you're using defined?
15:33:47linuxstbThe filename thing can simply be rb->snprintf(str_buffer, sizeof(str_buffer), "%s/%s", drum_dir, arr_filenames[i]);
15:34:02evilnickCan someone move this forum thread to Plugins please?
15:34:09MarcGuaylinuxstb: I've added the declarations to the same pastebin.
15:34:40linuxstbMarcGuay: No, they're here -
15:34:59MarcGuayOh, didn't realize it gave it a new address...
15:37:09LambdaCalculus37evilnick: Sure thing.
15:37:31LambdaCalculus37Never mind, BigBambi beat me. :P
15:41:49linuxstbMarcGuay: pcm_play_data() is designed to start playing a large buffer of audio, one chunk at a time. The callback function (the first parameter - NULL for you) should give the pointer to the next chunk of data to play. I'm not sure what will happen if you keep calling that function over and over again.
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15:42:00evilnickDoes Rockbox ignore id3 tags in vorbis files? I assume that it does as they're non-standard
15:45:02MarcGuaylinuxstb: The strange thing is that it works fine if I load each sample into it's own, smaller, wavbuf, like so:
15:45:34MarcGuayI was hoping I could reuse the same buffer so that the samples could be larger.
15:46:22linuxstbevilnick: Yes.
15:46:40linuxstbevilnick: s/non-standard/just plain wrong/
15:50:55evilnicklinuxstb: Thanks. I agree, but wanted to make sure before stating it as fact.
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15:59:11Lloreanlinuxstb: Does it properly ignore them now, or does it fail to play the files like it used to?
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16:00:59linuxstbI can't remember it ever failing to play them - I thought Rockbox always skipped id3 tags.
16:01:44LloreanI thought it was one of the many ways Rockbox could get stuck on a file while displaying 0:00 length
16:02:12linuxstbHmm, seems it doesn't skip them. The FLAC parser does though (I wrote that...)
16:02:16evilnickIt used to have a problem with id3 on flac files, but linuxstb fixed that years ago
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16:04:44linuxstbLooking at the code, I would expect the metadata parser to reject any ogg files with id3v2 tags - because the file doesn't start with the "OggS" magic.
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17:02:16MarcGuayIf someone could tell me why wavbuf2 is empty and all of the others are fine, I will love them forever:
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17:11:18domonokymaybe check the return values of open() and read(), to make sure the files are read correctly.
17:12:45*GodEater is pleased to see domonoky is keen for MarcGuay to love him forever
17:14:41MarcGuayIt's the deal of a lifetime.
17:15:28MarcGuaydomonoky: read() returns a length?
17:15:45domonokyyes, the length it was able to read.
17:16:08MarcGuay... and I hate to ask a simple C question but to cast that int to a string so i can splash it?
17:16:16domonokyalso, your current code will probably break, if one of those 5 raw files are smaller then your buffer.
17:17:00MarcGuaywould it make more sense to say rb->read(raw_file, wavbuf5, sizeof(raw_file));?
17:17:11domonokyno, for splash you want a string. so use snprintf() to convert into a seperate buffer, and display it.
17:17:31MarcGuaythe love is coming, don't worry
17:18:19domonokyand sizeof() wont work on a filehandle. there are seperate functions to get a file length
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17:20:43domonokyanother remark: if you make your 5 buffers into a 2dimensional array, like wavbuffer[10000][5], your code can get much smaller :-)
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17:21:39MarcGuaydomonoky: Ideally I'd like that to be a single buffer that gets flushed and refilled whenever a button is pressed.
17:22:00MarcGuayBut that was crashing so I'm trying to get back to where I was yesterday before I fudged it all up.
17:23:30*gevaerts 's ipod dock seems to work nearly perfectly with rockbox :)
17:23:46domonokyfor the read: use "filesize = read(raw_file,wavbufx,sizeof(wavbufx));", and check filesize afterwards for -1 (error) and otherwise store the size of playback.
17:23:49saratogaMT: you should add a rockbox styled makefile (see one of the other codecs) and then include that in apps/codecs/codecs.make so that your library gets built
17:24:15saratogainitially a good goal might be to simply get decoding working, then work on seperating all of the rm components cleanly from cook
17:24:29saratogathough i think you have the right idea using seperate librm and libcook folders from the start :)
17:24:39gevaertsit only supports pausing though...
17:25:03mtsaratoga : I was thinking about the test program .. How could I separate them and still get the test program to work (seeing that it needs headers from both dirs)
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17:28:10MarcGuaydomonoky: What would you say if I told you renaming wavbuf2 to wavbuf6 fixed the problem?
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17:29:37saratogai would put it in a subdirectory of libcook, and change the makefile to reach up a few levels (something like ../../librm/rm.h)
17:30:10toffe82the bench test of my gigabeat X is strange . do you know why it doesn't start at 0 ? what is the real time , 15 or 18 H
17:31:05domonokyMarcGuay: strange. but maybe you get problems with the available plugin space. your buffers are pretty big.
17:32:33mtsaratoga : moment of enlightment :) (they're separate now btw)
17:33:13MarcGuaydomonoky: I was getting errors before because of that but found around where I have them works fine...
17:34:38saratogaMT: eventually i wan to do away with the individual test programs for ape, cook, etc and instead replace them with a general mechanism that wraps the ci->read_filebuf, ci->advance_buffer, etc so that we can compile the exact rockbox parser outside of rockbox
17:35:01saratogathis way people could more easily port them to other programs, and of course we'd have a much easier time testing
17:35:12domonokyMarcGuay: there 512k of plugin buffer on swcodec targets. your wavebuffers alone are already 500k.
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17:40:12MarcGuaydomonoky: That's all the memory that's really needed, though.. I suppose if I add anything more to the code I'd have to scale those back.
17:40:53mtsaratoga : You mean modifying the test programs to use the same data structures that the codec api uses , so the parser would compile with no modifications for both rb and the test program ?
17:41:58domonokyMarcGuay: but if you get strange problems, its likely that you already hit the memory barrier. For bigger memory needs you should use the audiobuffer.
17:42:10saratogaMT: we'd get rid of the test programs entirely, and just have an option in the make file that compiles the rockbox parsers outside of rockbox
17:42:26saratogaby wrapping the codec interface calls to go to fopen, fseek, etc
17:42:50saratogaright now most codecs don't have their own test programs, so we can't test them except in the sim
17:44:06mtah ok
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17:51:06linuxstbsaratoga: I'm not convinced by that - there's advantages to having test programs for codecs that are not linked to Rockbox. The APE test program for example includes CRC checking of the decoded frames, which isn't done in Rockbox. SImilarly, the FLAC test program could do the same thing (verify the whole-file MD5 checksum), although it doesn't. So even if you add a generic test framework, I wouldn't want to lose the specific ones that
17:51:06linuxstbalready exist.
17:51:50saratogalinuxstb: t hose could be added to the rockbox decoders and enabled for test via the preprocessor pretty easily i think
17:52:01saratogathough maybe its worth keeping those test programs anyway
17:52:38mtlinuxstb : did you see the patches ?
17:53:20linuxstbmt: Only briefly, but I should be able to look at them in detail soon (this evening).
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17:56:16linuxstbmt: But my first comment is that it needs a "README.rockbox" file for the first patch/commit, to at least say which revision of ffmpeg the code is from.
17:57:50mtlinuxstb : Didn't write that for the patches :( , I thought it was only needed for the final one.
17:58:25mtbtw, cook.c would have different revisions across patches 1 and 2.
17:58:39linuxstbHmm, why?
17:59:08linuxstbDoes that mean parts of the code are from a newer ffmpeg than cook.c ?
18:01:45mtcurrently no .. because all of the files (in patch 3) are either parser-related, or cook-related - which were produced by the fixed point patch - except for bitstream.[c/h] and bswap.h .. those are of a newer revision.
18:02:27linuxstbOK. This is why I wanted those separate patches - to keep track of this stuff ;)
18:04:13mtyou mean the README's ? :)
18:04:46linuxstbYes, those as well.. ;)
18:05:14linuxstbBut maybe just add three READMEs as a separate comment to that task.
18:05:47linuxstbWhich ffmpeg revision was the first patch from?
18:05:50mtok .. though I feel the task is starting to look a bit messy :/
18:06:12linuxstbWell, hopefully we can close it soon...
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18:06:43linuxstbTrying to compile your first patch, I get lots of warnings in rm2wav.c (as well as other files).
18:07:53mtyes .. almost all of those warnings are for unused variables (it even complains about those declared in the headers and used in .c's) ..
18:08:16mtsome of the warnings were fixed in patch 3 though
18:08:20linuxstbHmm, you shouldn't declare variables in .h files.
18:08:37linuxstbIt would be better to remove the warnings in the first patch.
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18:09:45mtbut something like RMContext is used in cook.c, rm2wav.c and main.c
18:10:13mtalso COOKContext (cook.c, main.c)
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18:12:06linuxstbmt: You should also read docs/CONTRIBUTING in the Rockbox source code - e.g. you shouldn't use typedefs (for new code such as rm2wav.[ch] - you can keep what is already in ffmpeg)
18:14:09linuxstbmt: You shouldn't declare the same variable in multiple .c files (which happens when you put it in a .h). You should only declare the type in the .h file.
18:15:01mtI read about the typedefs thing,but I saw a typedef like that in FLACContext, and I followed this style, I thought there could be exceptions or something like that.
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18:16:04mtlinuxstb : which variables are you talking about ?
18:16:07linuxstbYes, I think it's OK when interfacing with existing code. So maybe those are OK.
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18:16:51linuxstbmt: wav_header[] is the one I saw - but you said that you were declaring variables in headers.
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18:18:55mtlinuxstb : Other than wav_header, I'm only putting structs/function prototypes in the headers.
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18:20:03linuxstbmt: Then that's fine.
18:20:08mtI'll move all the wav-related stuff to main.c (don't know why I didn't do that in the first place :/ )
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18:20:56linuxstbmt: There isn't a main.c in your first patch (which is the only one I'm looking at).
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18:21:22linuxstbBut I'm wondering why main() is in cook.c, and not rm2wav.c
18:21:29mtYes, in the 1st one main() was in cook.c
18:22:31mtlinuxstb : sorry, can't really remember the reason for which I put it there.
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18:23:31linuxstbCan you move it to rm2wav.c, as well as cleaning up the warnings in the first patch?
18:23:49taylor_Hello all. This may sound like a weird question (has to do with RockBox) What is the approximate address where user-mode applications start running on the RockBox firmware. What I mean by this is.. for example, on computers main() would start around 0x080488fe
18:24:16gevaertstaylor_: rockbox doesn't have the concept of user-mode applications
18:24:40taylor_Oh shoot, forgot, thanks. Better ask iPodLinux.
18:26:07mtlinuxstb : ok. But what is the benefit of that ? (cleaning up all the warnings in the first patch, and I'm just asking :) )
18:26:34linuxstbmt: Starting with clean foundations for later changes.
18:27:12linuxstbSo later changes only add new features, instead of cleaning up old code.
18:27:23mtWhy not clean the warnings for patch 3 instead ?
18:27:25linuxstbEspecially when it is brand new code (like rm2wav.c)
18:28:29linuxstbI just don't like committing code which isn't clean - warnings are bad.
18:29:04linuxstbBut for parts of the patch which are ffmpeg code, we can live with them for now. It's mainly rm2wav.[ch] which should be clean on the first commit.
18:30:14mtAre patches 1 and 2 meant to be committed ?
18:30:16linuxstbIt's also a general principle in Rockbox to not commit code that has warnings (although your code is special, as it's not being built yet).
18:30:39linuxstbmt: Yes, I want to commit patch 1 first, then ask you to make a "patch 2" against what is in SVN.
18:31:10linuxstbI wouldn't have asked you to make the patches if they weren't going to be committed.
18:31:21linuxstb(I'm not that evil...)
18:31:35mtOh, didn't know that .. I thought they were just there to 'show history' . but ok, will work on them.
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18:32:41linuxstbYes, when I talked about "show history", I meant that the history would be visible in the main Rockbox svn.
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18:35:07mtOK .. so for the 1st patch to be committed : there should be no warnings in rm2wav*, main() to be moved to rm2wav and a README should be written. Is there still something missing ?
18:35:25linuxstbSomething else which is worthwhile is to do a "diff" on your files compared to the original ffmpeg ones, to ensure you've only made the minimal changes you needed (and no whitespace-only changes). I'm looking at a diff for cook.c and can see quite a few unnecessary changes.
18:36:03Jaykaywhat was the problem about ?
18:36:13Jaykaythe "serious issues"is annoying :)
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18:38:19mtlinuxstb : uh oh, I think I'll have to replace a few files back from ffmpeg and re-edit them :)
18:40:02linuxstbWhat was the reason for changing from random.[ch] to lfg.[ch] ?
18:40:31mtffmpeg declared av_random deprecated
18:40:42mtand the warning mentioned using lfg instead
18:41:55linuxstbRockbox has its own PRNG, so maybe the real codec can use that, if needed?
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18:43:25mtin the revision of cook.c in patches 2 and 3, a small cook_random() was defined, so it didn't need any of those headers.
18:43:56linuxstbSo is there a reason to change to lfg in the first patch?
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18:46:29mtI didn't know about that before I started to convert the decoder to fixed point and actually get the other cook.c revision. I just changed from random to lfg to avoid the warning.
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18:50:09MarcGuaydomonoky: Thanks for your help, the 2d array is much nicer! :)
18:51:24saratogalinuxstb: are you thinking that the fixed point cook codec might be resynced to ffmpeg eventually?
18:53:38linuxstbsaratoga: I think that's up to ffmpeg developers - their code is very different to Rockbox's, and changes we make may not be ones they want. So it will probably not be easy to produce a patch they would accept...
18:55:31linuxstbI'm assuming there are reasons the existing patches haven't been committed to ffmpeg...
18:55:56mtAlso in the thread about the fixed point patch, the author of the patch mentioned that the fixed point decoder was actually slower (took ~2x the time iirc) on his desktop so it wasn't an option (although is was 25x faster for ARM )
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18:59:56saratogalinuxstb: then is it very important for us to stay close to ffmpeg's variables and whitespace?
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19:00:46saratogaMT: fixed point multiplies take several cycles (they're a multiply then a shift and an add), so on systems with an FPU, they're much slower
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19:02:58mtlinuxstb : I had the same question as saratoga's, why do the files need to be that close to ffmpeg's ?
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19:04:30linuxstbsaratoga: It's important in order to see what functional changes have been made.
19:04:44linuxstbThe same reason we don't mix whitespace changes with normal Rockbox commits.
19:04:45saratogadoesn't the original patch against ffmpeg handle that?
19:05:10linuxstbI simply don't want to commit unnecessary changes.
19:05:31saratogai'd like to see all the ffmpeg baggage removed even if the codec ends up quite different from the original ffmpeg one
19:06:01linuxstbSure, but that's for later, not step 1.
19:06:33saratogaperhaps but I don't think its important to go out of our way to avoid changing things at this step either
19:07:38saratogai would like to get the parser and codec working in rockbox and commit when its a functional codec as we did with wma, then clean up from there
19:07:43linuxstbI see it as the opposite, don't make changes you don't need to.
19:09:52mtbut now that there might be some files with unnecessary - though not harmful - changes, wouldn't be a waste of time to go back cleaning all of that ?
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19:12:00linuxstbI don't think so, no. SVN commits are there forever, so it's worth doing it right from the start. And it's good practice for producing clean patches for the future.
19:13:58mtwhen initializing a struct to 0 (like real_object_t) is it better to memset each declaration to 0, or initialize the variables inside the struct itself ?
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19:17:06mtlinuxstb : no warnings for rm2wav now (they were all about unused/uninitialized variables).
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19:18:08linuxstbmt: I would probably use memset() for that - assuming it needs to be initialised.
19:19:01mtThere were warnings about it, that's why.
19:21:24linuxstbAre there? I can't see any in the version I'm compiling.
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19:22:34mtI was receiving warnings like this "warning: ‘obj.size’ may be used uninitialized in this .. "
19:24:55linuxstbMust be caused by a different gcc version, unless your code is different to libcook.patch1 ?
19:25:12linuxstbI'm using gcc 4.3.3
19:25:34mtI'm using 4.2.4
19:27:14mtcould you pastebin the warnings you're receiving ?
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19:29:19linuxstb - that's an unmodified libcook.patch1
19:30:36mtI don't receive the warnings about (ignoring the return values for read/write)
19:31:06mtrest of the warnings are the same as I get without those related to real_object_t
19:31:18linuxstbIt's good practice to always check the return values of read/write for errors.
19:32:03linuxstbBut you could simply assign it to a variable (i.e. res = read(...)) and then not do anything with it for now. That should silence the warning.
19:33:50mtnow I remember why main() is in cook.c , it was before I moved COOKContext and the needed function prototypes to an external cook.h
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19:34:44mtso I just wrote main() there because my goal then was just to be able to transcode the files properly
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19:40:27mtlinuxstb : when compiling apps/codecs/libffmpegFLAC/main.c, you receive the same warnings about read/write ?
19:40:53linuxstbmt: I did that a long time ago... ;)
19:41:33linuxstbOlder versions of gcc didn't give that warning (as you are experiencing).
19:41:55mtSo some warnings could be ignored :)
19:43:04mtThe current rm2wav should give no warnings though..
19:43:20mt(the one I'm working on for patch 1 that is ..)
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19:45:56linuxstbmt: I'm just fixing the FLAC main.c now ;)
19:47:06mt" <linuxstb> In your face mt !" heh
19:52:43CIA-38New commit by 03dave (r20875): Check some previously unchecked return values in the standalone FLAC test program - fixes some warnings spotted by Mohamed Tarek El Haddad (mt).
19:54:46mtlinuxstb : Do you still have some time ? I'm just checking because I want to finish patch 1 tonight.
20:01:58linuxstbmt: Yes, I should be here all night.
20:02:23mtgreat. :)
20:04:03archivatorIs it for lack of time or interest that there isn't a dynamic range compressor in rockbox or is there something major that would stand in the way?
20:05:10linuxstbarchivator: The only issue I can think of is that it would need to be in the core, so needs to be implemented efficiently. I can't think of a reason anyone would object on principle though.
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20:08:43archivatorlinuxstb: drc is not that complex a dsp filter, from what I can tell. The only slightly complicated thing is that there are attack and release times you'd need to take into account. I have virtually 0 experience with dsp in rockbox so I might not be the man for the job (though I wouldn't mind taking a stab at it). Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something big I was overlooking...
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20:22:41linuxstbarchivator: I'm not an expert either, so maybe someone else will think of an objection/problem...
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20:34:21MarcGuayIf I wanted to play a FLAC file from a plugin where should I look first? Does it get converted to raw PCM before being played?
20:39:25mtlinuxstb : considering that in patch1, COOKContext was still in cook.c , should I still move main() to rm2wav.c ? (which would require putting COOKContext, and func. prototypes into a separate cook.h)
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20:42:02linuxstbMarcGuay: There is no mechanism for plugins to use codecs. You would have to link your plugin with the FLAC decoder and do it yourself.
20:42:16linuxstb(or implement such a mechanism...)
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20:42:40linuxstbmt: I think leaving main() in cook.c is fine for now - it's less intrusive.
20:42:50MarcGuaylinuxstb: Thank you.
20:43:45linuxstbMarcGuay: Although you can access Rockbox's normal playback code - i.e. add your file to a playlist and start playback.
20:44:00linuxstbBut I'm guessing that's not what you want?
20:44:43MarcGuaylinuxstb: I'm interested in just playing the sound file, with the possibility of playing multiple sound files simultaneously.
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20:57:27pixelmaGodEater: any comments on the c200 keymap patch - as you volunteered for testing? (Llorean as well, I believe?)
20:59:18GodEaterI liked it - no issues
21:00:10BigBambipixelma: I know I say this everytime it is mentioned, but I think it should go in now :)
21:00:23GodEaterme too
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21:11:25mtlinuxstb : how is that for the readme ?
21:15:56linuxstbmt: "flac.c" ?
21:16:22linuxstbAlso, you should state the SVN revision, not just the date (CVS doesn't have handy revision numbers)
21:17:06mtoops, missed that .. (flac.c)
21:17:37linuxstbI would just keep random.[ch] (unless that caused compile errors), rather than switching to lfg.[ch], especially if you are going to remove it later. But I won't argue over that...
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21:18:48mtI've already removed them... the code didn't depend on them anyway.
21:19:08linuxstbSo why does the README mention them?
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21:20:07mtsorry, by 'the code' I meant the code I modified back then when I was still working on the decoder.
21:21:12linuxstbAlso, your program shouldn't compile to "cooktest.o" - it should just be "cooktest".
21:23:19mtare those all the comments ?
21:23:28linuxstbAnd you can remove "INC" from the Makefile.
21:24:31linuxstbYou should add a (C) and license header to your own files (rm2wav.[ch])
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21:28:30mtlinuxstb : in rm2wav .. I believe I should add a (C) with your name too, but what should the year be, 2007 ?
21:28:33bertrikhow does the wps get it's data to display (progress, current song playing, etc.) Is there an easily identifiable interface for this?
21:29:14amiconnlinuxstb, MarcGuay: Or use the same mechanism as test_codec: provide the codec api from your plugin and load the codec from it
21:29:33pixelmaBigBambi: is this forcing a new line (your changes to recording.tex)? Also, if the last line that shows up as changed in the coloured diff in this file is describing the recording screen, I think it's not even true anymore
21:29:43amiconnTo be precise, loadthe codec from within the plugin
21:29:59pixelmaBigBambi: those settings are now shown in the status bar I think
21:30:36linuxstbmt: You can just say "2007-2009". But I don't think it's that important, as the code hasn't been published until now.
21:31:05BigBambipixelma: yes, and I didn't change that (in that order)
21:31:31linuxstbamiconn: Yes, I had forgotten about test_codec....
21:31:53pixelmaBigBambi: I guessed, but it drew my attention... something to "fix"
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21:32:29BigBambipixelma: I'll do it now
21:32:58linuxstbmt: Or if you're asking about my (C) line, then maybe just say "2008".
21:33:44pixelmaBigBambi: and about the newline - I though it was only \\ ?
21:34:01BigBambipixelma: \\ is a new line - \\* forces a blank line
21:34:26BigBambiI think it looks much easier to read with some spacing :)
21:34:42pixelmaah, hmm... first time I saw that used though
21:35:06BigBambiIt is in there a few times (prabably my previosu changes). According to to Google it is standard latex
21:35:25BigBambiAnd I do think it looks bad when everything is in one great big block of text with no white space
21:37:29BigBambipixelma: For the frequency and channels stuff any objection to just changing it to be "are shown in the status bar"?
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21:39:04mtlinuxstb : now for the "diffing against ffmpeg" part :)
21:40:18mtare there some specific files for which you think it's absolutely necessary to do this ? (I've done avcodec.h and had no problems except one white space in line 1706)
21:40:50mtmy comments look a bit messy though I know :/
21:42:02pixelmaBigBambi: no (and it applies to the quality setting on the mascodec too) - oh, and while you're at it, you could change those opts to the (IMO better) automatically generated ones. I believe there is a recording_hwcodec and recording_swcodec which could be used
21:42:12BigBambiOK, will do
21:43:04pixelmanice :)
21:43:11linuxstbmt: All of them... Hopefully there won't be much to fix.
21:43:26BigBambipixelma: Then screen shots :/
21:43:34BigBambiI really hate producing screen shots
21:43:44BigBambiIt takes for fricking ever to build all the sims
21:45:06mtlinuxstb : I forgot to mention that bitstream was taken from saratoga's wma.
21:45:29pixelmauh, which reminds me that there are now different colours for some targets (e.g. Ondio "background" colour, some greyscale are now different to represent the real display's "colour" better even with targets of the same screen size etc.) ... :\
21:45:57linuxstbmt: I've just looked at current ffmpeg, and it seems they are up to 18773 - your copy was from 18077?
21:46:00BigBambiI'm going to ignore that for now
21:46:25saratogaMT: for the static memory changes?
21:46:44linuxstbmt: r18079 removed the use of avrandom() in cook.c...
21:47:28mtlinuxstb : I got the revision from version.h in ffmpeg dir.
21:48:54mtsaratoga : I used your bitstream files but modified them a bit (commented out av_log2 since it was still defined -in common.h iirc and changed alloc_table back to using realloc)
21:49:56mtThis should go to the readme.
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21:50:26CIA-38New commit by 03alex (r20878): Correct location of frequency, quality and channel settings display, and change opts.
21:51:52linuxstbmt: If you update your code to r18079, you don't have to worry about the use of av_random.
21:52:33saratogaeventually I'd like to have wma and cook use the same bitstream.c/h so we can optimize one and use it for both codecs
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21:53:26mtlinuxstb : I don't think it's that important really.
21:54:31mtsaratoga : I think starting from patch 3 cook could use the same bitstream files as wma
21:55:10mtI'll include this in a later patch. (the one which should include separate rm/cook dirs)
21:55:44saratogasure, jsut somethnig to keep in mind
21:55:46linuxstbmt: It's also very quick to do - anything to make your patch smaller and the number of things listed in the readme is good...
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21:56:40mtlinuxstb : sorry, what are you referring to by 'it' ? (I'm a bit tired now :) )
21:57:22linuxstbmt: Updating your files to ffmpeg's r18079 - it's just two revisions from your version.
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22:02:00amblinwhat's currently the best supported non-hd platform/player?
22:02:34evilnickBest is quite subjective. What qualities are you looking for in particular?
22:02:55amblinstability and battery life
22:03:09BigBambie200 or c200 or nano
22:03:19amblinnano really?
22:03:24BigBambimake install
22:03:34saratogathe e200s are quite mature these days
22:03:49amblinim nearly 100% ogg, if that matters I know battery life wasn't so good on ipods
22:03:52BigBambiamblin: It isn't bad from what I hear, but I don't have any experience of it myself
22:04:31evilnickIf you're after battery life then you might want to choose a less cpu-intensive codec
22:04:34BigBambiamblin: I'd have a e200 over a c200 (having got both), but the e200 can have a bit of electrical noise that you may or not hear depending on earphones
22:04:52mtlinuxstb : just looked into cook.c r18079 - It's exactly the same modifications I made except that it uses random_seed() which we decided not to use (due to its crazy way of getting a random seed) and merbanan told me I could just initialize this value to any number, so I just initialized it to 1.
22:05:19evilnickamblin: Personally, I can hardly ever hear the electrical noise, unless I am listening at rather quiet volumes
22:05:24saratogaevilnick: Ogg is pretty easy on the CPU, for a long time it was one of the fastest ARM codecs aside from flac and mpc
22:05:46saratogathe sansa noise probably mainly happens with 16 ohm headphones and IEMs for what its worth
22:06:16amblini like ogg for other reasons, but that isn't a discussion for this channel :-)
22:06:23evilnickamblin: Apologies for the misinformation about vorbis.
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22:06:53amblinso any e2** series?
22:07:07BigBambiyes, but v1 only
22:07:10evilnicksaratoga: Is that an ARM-related thing? I could have sworn that vorbis was significantly more difficult to decode
22:07:25Jaykayamblin: v1 is rare and expensive, v2 isn't supported
22:07:29BigBambiamblin: And you can only tell for sure if it is v1 by looking at the original firmware version
22:07:37BigBambiJaykay: not so much
22:07:44BigBambiJaykay: It is just difficult to tell
22:07:47ChexJaykay: still sells v1 e280s
22:07:49amblinok let me rephrase, best suppored and available to buy
22:07:53ChexI just bought one a month ago
22:08:12BigBambiamblin: No supported targets are still available new
22:08:38amblinthat isn't a good situation sniff
22:09:20linuxstbmt: Then it shouldn't be a problem to say your versoin is based on r18079, and change the README to say what you did with the random seed. I see that r18078 was a change in nellymoserdec.c, so not applicable to you.
22:09:44Jaykaywtf? e280 for 50$ refurbished and 68$ new
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22:10:13mtOK .. will do that.
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22:10:47saratogaevilnick: I've heard people say that, but Vorbis isn't much different then most other lossy codecs
22:10:56saratogai think its actually a little less cpu intensive then mp3 for instance
22:10:56Jaykaychex: are both e280 there v1?
22:11:06amblinjaykay where?
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22:12:10Jaykayamblin: if you can make sure they're v1 buy them
22:12:17Jaykay(on of them :) )
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22:13:48ChexJaykay: Im pretty sure, the one I ordered was
22:16:33pixelmaBigBambi: the c200 suffers the same issue re. electrical noise
22:17:00BigBambipixelma: OK, that's good to know - I haven't used my c200 enough to notice :)
22:17:59amblinwhat's the outlook for rockbox on new hardware in the future?
22:18:58pixelmawell, I can't compare but I can hear e.g. the reads when inserting the microSD (so nothing playing yet), also noticeable in the OF but my impression is that it's not as "loud" - would need a more objective test though
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22:24:53amblinare sansa devices sans rockbox, mass storage?
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22:30:31linuxstbamblin: Yes, you can select mass-storage or MTP.
22:35:43amblinthanks for the help
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22:43:46mtlinuxstb : I think I could create the patch now. Do you want to check on anything before I create it ?
22:44:27linuxstbmt: I'm happy to look at it before you post it to flyspray
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22:44:55mtlinuxstb : pastebin ?
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22:45:15linuxstbYes, unless you have some webspace to upload it to?
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22:48:49mtlinuxstb : I could upload it to the sourceforge repo, or you could pull from me (I'm not sure about that, just started using git)
22:49:59BigBambihmmm, I seem to have added keywords to those files by mistake. Does this matter, and if so, how to I remove them?
22:52:17linuxstbmt: Just use pastebin then.
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23:02:00linuxstbmt: OK, then maybe commit to your svn. Or you could just email it to me.
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23:05:01mtlinuxstb : which do you prefer of the both ? I don't have a particular preference.
23:05:59linuxstbBigBambi: It hopefully doesn't hurt, but best to delete them - "svn propdel svn:keywords *.png" should work (I notice one other file has them)
23:06:03amiconnsaratoga: Ogg used to be slower than mp3 quite some time ago on arm, at least on PP5002 (that was before dual-core mp3(!))
23:06:12linuxstbmt: Email
23:06:15BigBambilinuxstb: OK, thanks
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23:06:47amiconnNot sure how it compares today; I only have two albums in vorbis
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23:22:18linuxstbmt: Patch received - I've put it here:">
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23:23:02mtlinuxstb : ok. thanks.
23:25:03linuxstbmt: You didn't fix those warnings with read/write ? Also, there are still warnings in the main() function you added to cook.c, and wav_header[] is still declared in rm2wav.h
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23:29:28mtlinuxstb : Dear God ! I'm sure I fixed those read/write warnings, don't know how I managed to not include them in the patch -(this is one of the mistakes I told you about :/ ) .. Are you going to be here after ~20 mins ? I want to go eat something.
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23:29:54linuxstbmt: Yes, I should be around for another couple of hours.
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23:30:21mtgreat, bbl then.
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23:40:24BigBambiWhen editing english.lang (for spelling) should I change source or dest or both (and if both I assume I then need to fix all the other languages too)?
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23:41:52BigBambiand what about voice?
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23:45:40linuxstbmt: A few more comments: 1) do you need to keep those commented-out lines in main() ? If it is debugging code, you could surround it by #ifdefs instead (using a suitable #define to enable). 2) You should declare packet_count to be the same type (uint32_t) as nb_packets, rather than casting it. 3) Do you need both bswap.h and libavutil/bswap.h ?
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