| 00:00:18 | amiconn | No, but arm has, and coldfire also has little deltas |
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| 00:00:46 | amiconn | Why on earth is a macro that evaluates to 1<<(n) different from writing 1<<(n) directly? |
| 00:02:03 | Mikachu | how big was the size difference? |
| 00:02:16 | * | mcuelenaere recommends utils/analysis/ |
| 00:02:22 | Mikachu | maybe it was just due builds jumping between different gcc versions on different build servers? |
| 00:03:19 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 00:03:23 | Bagder | Mikachu: no, for targets we have fixed versions we use |
| 00:03:30 | Mikachu | okay |
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| 00:04:01 | amiconn | There's still some fluctuation in binsize depending on buildservers, but this one was too uniform |
| 00:04:15 | Mikachu | commit a comment change and see what happens? :) |
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| 00:07:52 | bertrik | kugel, ok, let's ask some other devs about their opinion on this |
| 00:08:07 | | Part ademille |
| 00:08:25 | bertrik | a free yield could be nice, meaning it can do something useful other than just waiting for the FIFO |
| 00:08:46 | Chesteta | hey I just saw this site, spiral.net which deals with computer generated algorithms and speeding up execution of code... may be worth checking out |
| 00:08:46 | bertrik | although the FIFO takes only a rather short time to empty itself |
| 00:09:08 | bertrik | and I think we need to make sure we're not yielding to another task that also wants to access the display |
| 00:09:10 | Chesteta | I do not know if it can be applied to rockbox or not :/ |
| 00:09:35 | kugel | bertrik: drawing is only allowed in the main thread, so that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 00:10:53 | petur | gevaerts: already had an answer about H10 usb charging? |
| 00:11:00 | gevaerts | petur: no |
| 00:11:10 | petur | ok, I'll test then... |
| 00:11:21 | gevaerts | I know mine seems to charge, but I'd like to have a more general overview anyay |
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| 00:20:10 | petur | gevaerts: is there a button to hold to connect usb and not have it mounted? |
| 00:20:32 | gevaerts | petur: yes. The one on the right just below the LCD I think |
| 00:21:10 | petur | ah, just found out myself by trying all combinations |
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| 00:22:12 | petur | I see the charge animation, I'll let it charge a bit to see if it actually fills the battery |
| 00:22:36 | petur | this is a H10 5GB pure (no radio) |
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| 00:28:59 | petur | gevaerts: seems to charge fine over USB with current SVN |
| 00:29:08 | gevaerts | good :) |
| 00:30:15 | petur | seeing the slidepad control my laptop volume after I unmounted was new to me... |
| 00:30:37 | gevaerts | there's always the hold switch :) |
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| 00:38:44 | funman | saratoga: did you look at skyeye? |
| 00:41:00 | * | amiconn wonders why changing two loop variables from signed to unsigned increase binsize on arm |
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| 00:47:52 | amiconn | Hmm. Gcc then puts the variables on stack, while they're in registers for signed. Weird... |
| 00:50:16 | CIA-38 | New commit by amiconn (r21206): Undo the delta on ARM but making the loop variables signed as before r21205. GCC is weird... |
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| 01:13:23 | FrankTM_ | what button is BUTTON_SELECT on fuze? |
| 01:13:36 | funman | center |
| 01:13:53 | FrankTM_ | hmm |
| 01:14:00 | FrankTM_ | (BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_UP) |
| 01:14:21 | FrankTM_ | how do i read that? |
| 01:14:45 | funman | press center and up at the same time |
| 01:14:48 | FrankTM_ | i'm in the blackjack.c source |
| 01:14:57 | FrankTM_ | button_select starts a round |
| 01:15:10 | FrankTM_ | so as i see it, there's no way you can press them both |
| 01:15:44 | Llorean | If it's programmed properly, it should trigger the start of the round on the release of select. |
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| 01:16:17 | FrankTM_ | hmm. i think it's not programmed correctly then :P |
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| 01:16:32 | Llorean | Have you actually tried playing it on the player to see if it works? |
| 01:17:04 | FrankTM_ | yea |
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| 01:17:24 | FrankTM_ | i'm in the source to fix some other controls :p |
| 01:17:41 | FrankTM_ | to be consistant with what the game says the buttons do |
| 01:18:09 | funman | fuze keymaps need some work, especially in the radio screen |
| 01:18:15 | Llorean | Also, couldn't you press UP and while holding UP press SELECT? |
| 01:18:28 | FrankTM_ | Llorean: let me check |
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| 01:18:51 | FrankTM_ | ah. that seems to work |
| 01:18:56 | FrankTM_ | solutions are so simple sometimes :P |
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| 01:20:57 | FrankTM_ | funman: i'll try to patch some of the keymaps |
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| 01:31:13 | funman | r21195/r21196 makes my Fuze lock on the logo screen with FS #10048 applied |
| 01:31:35 | funman | the only change I see is 1LU being changed to 1UL (and i don't know what 1LU means) |
| 01:32:02 | FrankTM_ | i think i might have crashed the radio-bit |
| 01:32:59 | amiconn | umm |
| 01:33:11 | * | amiconn just found a weird settings effect |
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| 01:39:44 | amiconn | Full rebuild helped. Weird. |
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| 01:46:14 | FrankTM_ | hmm |
| 01:46:25 | FrankTM_ | what are FLA_ buttons |
| 01:48:14 | pixelma | FLA - are you sure that's typed correctly? |
| 01:49:17 | FrankTM_ | PLA |
| 01:49:18 | FrankTM_ | sorry |
| 01:49:26 | FrankTM_ | hacking on beer :+ |
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| 01:52:12 | pixelma | that is a try to unify the (button) action handling in plugins, using the plugin lib. If you ask me it's not really handy in it's current state |
| 01:53:04 | Unhelpful | it's just fine if you need exactly one context. otherwise you'd best create your own context, or use a core context and map the core actions to yours, or some combination of both strategies. |
| 01:54:25 | pixelma | yeah, unfortunately there are plugins that combine a few contexts, creating problems on some targets - and I don't like that things are "hidden" in a second file |
| 01:55:27 | FrankTM_ | well.. it would be nice to have one file for all controls for example |
| 01:55:30 | pixelma | really only useful for very basic controls where chances of "overlapping" definitions are very very low |
| 01:55:36 | FrankTM_ | but it's not quite working |
| 01:55:38 | Unhelpful | not all plugins need the same controls. |
| 01:56:31 | pixelma | and there can be differences between targets and what's good (and possible) with their button layout |
| 01:57:10 | FrankTM_ | so.. (I'm guessing) it's alright to patch controls in a plugin, which is using FLA controls |
| 01:57:27 | Unhelpful | amiconn: that loop is called once per *file*. we should probably just take the binsize gain and make both loops var < 64. |
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| 01:58:10 | r0b- | ok im using the latest current build of Rockbox on my sansa e250 and when playing songs the normal buttons dont work |
| 01:58:12 | Unhelpful | erm, actually, that would be if we made it one loop. :) |
| 01:58:21 | r0b- | like Play/Pause Next Previous and the power button to stop the playback |
| 01:58:27 | pixelma | FrankTM_: exceptions are a weird thing too... |
| 01:59:21 | FrankTM_ | pixelma: that is not the short answer i was after :P |
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| 01:59:59 | FrankTM_ | just a quick brainfart here: |
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| 02:00:27 | pixelma | r0b-: maybe you have accidentally enabled "party mode"? |
| 02:00:28 | FrankTM_ | would be nice to have a file with default buttons (for every plugin etc) |
| 02:00:36 | FrankTM_ | and one for every device, with alterations to that |
| 02:00:41 | FrankTM_ | (that=default) |
| 02:00:59 | r0b- | that might be true :P |
| 02:01:04 | * | r0b- disregards |
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| 02:06:51 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i think we can do some optimization of that pre-multiply, too. the second member of struct idct_entry can be removed, which brings the shift down to PASS1_BITS, which means that we can guarantee it fits in a SH hardware multiply. |
| 02:07:23 | pixelma | rasher: did you have time to look at how to stop this "mipper" theme from showing up on the H300 theme page? (Probably related something to do with the RWPS, since it doesn't appear on the Ipod Photo page and is actually a 160x128 theme) |
| 02:07:48 | Llorean | FrankTM_: There's a file with default core buttons for each device. |
| 02:08:40 | FrankTM_ | Llorean: yeah.. well.. i'm just thinking out loud right now |
| 02:08:53 | Llorean | FrankTM_: Maybe look at what's available first? |
| 02:09:11 | r0b- | the USB-HID stuff is kinda neat |
| 02:09:18 | FrankTM_ | well.. as i see it, there's a lot of files that need adjustments when there's a new device |
| 02:09:32 | FrankTM_ | correct me if im wrong, please :) |
| 02:09:41 | Llorean | Which is always going to be true, because there's a ton of stuff that needs to come into existence. |
| 02:09:58 | Llorean | Plus devices have different numbers of physical buttons, some of which may or may not be absolute on/off (such as wheels, etc) |
| 02:10:06 | Llorean | So the controls for each device will always need quite a bit of customization. |
| 02:10:29 | FrankTM_ | yes. but i think that could be in a lot less files |
| 02:10:36 | FrankTM_ | not quite sure about that yet, though |
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| 02:11:10 | Llorean | With the exception of plugins, all the controls are basically in a single file. |
| 02:11:15 | Llorean | One file per target. |
| 02:11:21 | pixelma | FrankTM_: I still prefer lots of files to adjust over having half-working controls which you only find out about later and often have to work around in a weird way |
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| 02:12:35 | FrankTM_ | pixelma: i prefer usability too ;) |
| 02:12:52 | FrankTM_ | i'm just trying to work out if there's a better way to reach that |
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| 02:13:56 | Llorean | Having all the controls for every plugin in a single file just makes it more likely something will be overlooked. |
| 02:14:21 | Llorean | If you see all the controls for several different targets in the bubbles plugin, you get an idea of how the controls work for several different key layouts, and it helps you map the controls to the new hardware. |
| 02:14:41 | pixelma | the PLA thing was a try and there are still some plugins that are not completely usable on some targets (e.g.) |
| 02:14:43 | Llorean | Otherwise, you'd have to flip through pluginkeymaps-x5.h, pluginkemaps-h100.h, etc, etc, for comparing |
| 02:14:50 | Llorean | When you're just trying to make them work for a single plugin at a time |
| 02:15:00 | pixelma | e.g. metronome, I meant |
| 02:15:02 | FrankTM_ | hmm |
| 02:15:06 | FrankTM_ | that might be true |
| 02:15:20 | pixelma | Llorean: bubbles uses PLA (with some exceptions) |
| 02:15:35 | Llorean | pixelma: Replace bubbles with "hypothetical plugin 01" :-P |
| 02:16:38 | FrankTM_ | hehe |
| 02:17:34 | Llorean | The point is, it makes it easier (in my perspective) to be able to see all the target keymap variants for a single plugin while I'm working on it, rather than seeing all the keymaps for different plugins on the same target. |
| 02:17:51 | * | Unhelpful thought that what he did with PF worked out fine |
| 02:19:15 | Unhelpful | especially after kugel cleaned it up a bit ;) |
| 02:19:20 | CIA-38 | New commit by kkurbjun (r21208): M:Robe 500: Mostly complete USB driver, supports BULK mode currently and gets about 2 MB/s writes vs 1.1 MB/s on the OF. Mostly tested against Linux, ... |
| 02:20:00 | r0b- | im using the 21200 Sansa e200 firmware |
| 02:20:41 | kugel | the current PLA is useless imo |
| 02:20:55 | FrankTM_ | Llorean: i think you're right |
| 02:21:27 | kugel | there should be a single context with 6 or 7 buttons (directionals, select, quit, maybe context), +2 for scrollwheel |
| 02:21:43 | kugel | if a plugins need more than that, PLA isn't the right thing anyway |
| 02:23:21 | * | Unhelpful could swear he used that same argument when kugel advised *against* the PF input rewrite... |
| 02:23:41 | FrankTM_ | seems like i brought up a discussion :p |
| 02:23:44 | kugel | you must be wrong |
| 02:24:16 | Llorean | I think the PLA context should be bare minimum. Not even scrollwheel. Just four directions, select(yes) and cancel(no). |
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| 02:24:23 | Llorean | Everything else can be custom coded as necessary. |
| 02:24:40 | Llorean | And wherever possible we should use standard contexts (using our normal list for menus, etc) |
| 02:25:11 | FrankTM_ | meh |
| 02:25:25 | FrankTM_ | i keep fucking up mazezam.c |
| 02:25:50 | kugel | I think scrollwheel in that context makes sense |
| 02:26:33 | kugel | especially if we treat up/down/left/right as directional on e.g. e200 instead of left/right/scroll_fwd/scrollback or some sort of that |
| 02:27:21 | Llorean | I think scrollwheels are generally too much of a special-case thing to really work in a custom context. |
| 02:27:30 | kugel | I don't think so |
| 02:27:52 | Llorean | *without a custom context |
| 02:28:50 | kugel | PLA will be useless again if you can't access the scrollwheel with it |
| 02:29:03 | Llorean | Hah, that's a rather bold statement. |
| 02:29:12 | kugel | scrollwheel is a usefull adition which doesn't cost the non-scrollwheel targets anything |
| 02:29:32 | Llorean | That doesn't make PLA useless without it, or PLA would also be useless in the first place for non-scrollwheel targets. |
| 02:29:42 | kugel | why? |
| 02:29:58 | Llorean | I'm sorry, but what do you mean by "useless" other than "without a use"? |
| 02:30:15 | kugel | scroll* would be an extra action, the plugins #ifdef it with HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL when checking it |
| 02:30:19 | Llorean | If PLA is useless without scroll wheel support, I don't see how it can be useful on targets without a scrollwheel, as they obviously don't have scrollwheel support. |
| 02:30:56 | kugel | I don't understand that |
| 02:31:10 | Llorean | You said PLA would be useless without scrollwheel support. |
| 02:31:38 | kugel | yes, but how does that mean it will be *only* useful for scrollwheel targets? |
| 02:31:53 | Llorean | If it can be useful without scrollwheel support, then it's obviously not useless, right? |
| 02:33:16 | Llorean | Anyway, my point is that the context made available should have the absolute bare minimum of universal keys that can have expected behaviour in a device. |
| 02:33:41 | Llorean | Depending on how a scrollwheel is physically mounted (think of the wheels on the sides of Palm devices and such) they may not make any sense for left/right action like front-face scrollwheels do |
| 02:33:57 | Llorean | Scrollwheels shouldn't be treated as a universal thing like directional buttons, yes, and no can be. |
| 02:34:10 | Llorean | The idea of a universal context should be that it can be used without having ever seen the hardware |
| 02:34:15 | pixelma | PLA for scrollwheel has one problem - for some plugins scroll fwd/back are better mapped to up/down for some others it makes sense for left/right, so you would at least need two contexts (IMO) |
| 02:35:08 | kugel | no |
| 02:35:24 | notlistening | could it be an option in the menus? or did i miss the point of the argument? |
| 02:35:32 | * | Unhelpful knows at least one target where PF maps a vertically oriented scroller control to left/right in album view because it is a scroll control, and the left/right buttons look terribly awkward for that purpose. |
| 02:35:35 | Llorean | notlistening: You missed the point. It's a code thing. |
| 02:35:47 | kugel | you would have ACTION_PLA_SCROLLFWD, not connected to directions at all. The plugin would do whatever it wants withi that |
| 02:35:57 | notlistening | kk |
| 02:36:17 | Llorean | kugel: But does "FWD" mean rotating a wheel clockwise? Sliding up or down on a touchpad scroller? Or rolling a wheel on the side of the player up or down? |
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| 02:36:57 | FrankTM_ | plugins could expect something else than what it actually does practically |
| 02:37:01 | pixelma | kugel: I don't understand - where's the generic context in that? |
| 02:37:04 | notlistening | right i am of to bed got a headache already and you guys are on the way to headaches by the sounds of it |
| 02:37:32 | notlistening | night |
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| 02:37:46 | Llorean | FrankTM_: Basically my point - the provided context should be as simple as possible, and map to explicitly predictable actions. Give users as intuitive controls as possible. |
| 02:38:02 | Llorean | If you can't accomplish it in those six buttons, create a custom control scheme and actually look at the hardware. |
| 02:38:23 | Unhelpful | huzzah, core scrolling in PF works (on color, only for album title, and with some minor issues) without crashing! |
| 02:38:39 | Llorean | core scrolling? |
| 02:39:06 | Unhelpful | Llorean: using the core text scrolling functions to scroll the album title when it's wider than the screen |
| 02:39:07 | pixelma | so that pf dsoesn't do its weird own scrolling (of text) |
| 02:39:20 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 02:39:22 | saratoga | slasheri: did you work on the rockbox file tree code? |
| 02:39:25 | Llorean | Man, I hate that dual use of scrolling |
| 02:40:26 | Unhelpful | the hacks were thus: 1) styled scroll functions return a pointer to the scroll item 2) support for a STYLE_CUSTOM and a global custom styled draw hook on the main LCD 3) support for a STYLE_NODRAW that only updates the scrollinfo |
| 02:42:44 | FrankTM_ | hmm. for something completely different |
| 02:42:59 | FrankTM_ | anyone here who maintains rockbox flyspray? |
| 02:43:24 | Llorean | Depends on what you mean by "maintains" |
| 02:43:27 | Unhelpful | color doesn't actually need STYLE_CUSTOM. greyscale will. on color, the album view saves a strip of the rendered covers when the albums stop scrolling, and sets this as the backdrop, adding an offset for y-coordinate of the album text, and then it starts the scrolling text. when it switches to the cover-in animation it sets STYLE_NODRAW, and uses the scrollinfo to update redraw the text correctly when it draws a new animation frame. the |
| 02:43:27 | Unhelpful | n it changes the scrollinfo back to STYLE_DEFAULT when it reaches the tracklist. |
| 02:44:07 | FrankTM_ | Llorean: well.. i'm submitting a patch |
| 02:44:23 | FrankTM_ | but Sansa Fuze isn't in the "Player Type" list |
| 02:44:30 | Unhelpful | the nifty bit is that once you stop moving the album list, and the album title starts scrolling, it doesn't stop or reset while you go to track list etc |
| 02:44:36 | FrankTM_ | which i think at this point, should be |
| 02:44:52 | Llorean | Ah, this requires on of the flyspray admins, yes. |
| 02:45:02 | Llorean | Who are possibly asleep. |
| 02:45:39 | FrankTM_ | i have trouble creating english sentences at this point of the day :p |
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| 02:47:03 | FrankTM_ | anyhoo. i did a patch for fuze: |
| 02:47:04 | FrankTM_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10294 |
| 02:47:34 | FrankTM_ | my previous one was implemented by funman |
| 02:47:49 | FrankTM_ | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10256 |
| 02:48:33 | Llorean | No need to link to closed tasks. |
| 02:48:52 | CIA-38 | New commit by kkurbjun (r21209): Fix Creative ZVM build |
| 02:49:11 | FrankTM_ | Llorean: fair enough |
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| 02:57:09 | CIA-38 | New commit by rmenes (r21210): New translation: Lithuanian by Vytenis Sabelka. From FS #10255. |
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| 03:01:49 | Unhelpful | Slasheri: if you get a chance, i had a tagcache issue. starting a search on tag_filename works, but if no filters are added and the RAM cache is enabled it returns no items. it works fine otherwise. i was able to trace this to a problem with opening the index file for the current search late (it ended up trying to read the header as an item), but after fixing that, the search still takes about 6x longer with ramcache enabled than with i |
| 03:01:49 | Unhelpful | t disabled - so i suspect i fixed it wrong. any ideas? |
| 03:03:29 | FrankTM_ | < off to bed |
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| 03:07:45 | togetic | odd, right speaker works now |
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| 03:08:12 | togetic | love how rockbox plays mp4 files :) |
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| 03:08:51 | togetic | so many songs that have low quality sound and wouldn't want to transcode them any further |
| 03:10:10 | Unhelpful | (as to why, pictureflow needs a list of albums, but also needs to find a file from each album to locate album art, and searching on tag_filename and uniquifying the albums is faster than searching on tag_album and then searching files for each album, even with this problem) |
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| 03:31:02 | tmzt | Unhelpful: rockbox is dedicated to not changing the files on the filesystem, right? outside of .rockbox of course |
| 03:31:46 | Llorean | tmzt: Generally, yes. |
| 03:32:14 | tmzt | so something like folder.jpg/png being created automatically is not desired? |
| 03:32:28 | Llorean | Created from what? |
| 03:32:34 | Llorean | And Rockbox doesn't support .png |
| 03:32:38 | tmzt | from embedded album art |
| 03:32:48 | Llorean | A plugin to do that would probably be accepted |
| 03:32:49 | tmzt | oh, yeah I know that was discussed, .bmp then |
| 03:33:20 | tmzt | so it would be something where the user chose what song to use as the album cover? |
| 03:33:57 | Llorean | I'd say something like have a few options, "create images for all files with embedded art" or "use first embedded image found as cover.jpg or bmp for each folder" |
| 03:34:24 | n17ikh | will jpeg album art search for any old .jpg? |
| 03:34:30 | n17ikh | or does it have to have a specific name |
| 03:35:20 | n17ikh | never mind, found it in the manual |
| 03:36:07 | saratoga | tmzt: plugins that change the file system are already in rockbox (the disk tidy one) so doing something like that would be fine |
| 03:36:10 | saratoga | but also a lot of work i think |
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| 03:36:35 | tmzt | could be useful with pf, wasn't really before |
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| 03:44:28 | slyyx | onlysoaa: Hey, been busy today, will be busy tomorrow too, got a presentation I am doing Tuesday...Any progress? |
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| 04:03:46 | onlysoaa | slyyx: I've also been busy today, and I don't feel like anything right now. D: |
| 04:03:58 | onlysoaa | slyyx: I might work on it a bit tomorrow. |
| 04:04:08 | onlysoaa | Stupid LCD... xP |
| 04:05:37 | slyyx | Yeah, I agree |
| 04:05:44 | slyyx | I may do some reversing of the firmware |
| 04:06:00 | slyyx | Find out just what makes it tick |
| 04:06:04 | onlysoaa | Cool! So far I've only had mild success with it. You might get farther. |
| 04:06:28 | slyyx | yeah, maybe |
| 04:11:45 | n17ikh | how does Rockbox do SD card access? I was under the impression that the SD card specs required paying royalties to the SD card association |
| 04:11:55 | n17ikh | does it just do it in spi mode? |
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| 04:48:33 | onlysoaa | slyyx: If you can find how to read/set the LCLK it'd be really cool. I'm thinking that might be the problem. |
| 04:48:45 | onlysoaa | slyyx: I gotta go now. Please post in the forum if you find anything. |
| 04:48:55 | slyyx | alright |
| 04:50:30 | onlysoaa | slyyx: Oh, looks like I'm staying. o: I'll try looking, but... I don't know if I'll be able to find anything. |
| 04:50:56 | slyyx | Its in the datasheet :P |
| 04:50:58 | slyyx | Somewhere |
| 04:51:50 | onlysoaa | It sure is, but where? :P |
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| 06:20:01 | togetic | just curious, how would i go about playing a few games that i have on my pc using rockbox, examples of the games i want to play: http://tigsource.com/articles/2007/12/12/the-games-of-gamma-256 |
| 06:20:26 | togetic | also want to play these two: http://tigsource.com/articles/2009/03/19/ping-pong-previews |
| 06:20:37 | togetic | and http://tigsource.com/articles/2009/03/13/dont-look-back |
| 06:22:11 | cool_walking_ | Those are PC games... they would need to be individually ported. Lots of work. |
| 06:24:00 | togetic | Passage is linux |
| 06:24:42 | togetic | okay it doesn't recognize the exectuables |
| 06:24:43 | cool_walking_ | Okay.. still needs to be ported. Rockbox isn't Linux. |
| 06:24:53 | togetic | it's based on ipodlinux, no? |
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| 06:27:28 | cool_walking_ | No. I think Rockbox has a *tiny* bit of iPodLinux code.. probably for drivers. |
| 06:28:14 | Llorean | togetic: Rockbox didn't even start on iPods. |
| 06:28:35 | scorche | togetic: it is written from scratch essentially...even if it was linux, it still wouldnt be able to run those games without plenty of work |
| 06:30:58 | Llorean | togetic: If I may ask, where'd you get the idea it was based on iPL. We run into that assumption occasionally and it'd help us if we could track down where the confusion comes from. |
| 06:31:58 | togetic | i read it online today.. on the ubuntu forums.. one sec |
| 06:32:29 | togetic | i googled 'ipodlinux versus rockbox', it's the first link |
| 06:32:32 | togetic | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541098 |
| 06:33:06 | togetic | "IIRC, iPodLinux was developed as a 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if we could put linux on an ipod... lets try it!' Later, Rockbox came along and, in an effort to add functionality and flexibility to the ipod, used the iPod Linux platform to develop a functional user interface." |
| 06:33:16 | scorche | ugh |
| 06:33:55 | Llorean | If you read the rest, someone just a few posts later points out that Rockbox uses its on kernel. |
| 06:33:57 | scorche | and if you read down 4 posts, you would see that someone else corrected him and said we use our own kernel |
| 06:34:04 | * | Llorean is amazed at the person who says iPL is *easier* to install than Rockbox |
| 06:34:41 | scorche | Llorean: and if you read the second page, you will see that soemone mentioned something to that effect too =P |
| 06:34:57 | Llorean | Yeah, I noticed there was a second page after hitting enter. |
| 06:35:26 | togetic | i should give ipodlinux 'a spin' sometime soon when there's free time |
| 06:35:41 | togetic | maybe i could play the games using it |
| 06:35:53 | togetic | the gba games are practically useless |
| 06:36:03 | togetic | no sound, it's highly glitchy |
| 06:36:26 | cool_walking_ | You're not going to be able to play PC games on iPodLinux without porting them, either. |
| 06:36:35 | scorche | togetic: as i said, even on ipl or if rockbox was based on linux, you would have to do a lot of work... |
| 06:36:46 | togetic | ..but it's linux? |
| 06:36:49 | scorche | so? |
| 06:36:51 | togetic | i don't understand :P |
| 06:36:54 | scorche | it an ipod |
| 06:36:55 | cool_walking_ | ...so? It's different hardware. |
| 06:37:32 | scorche | togetic: there are also architechure differences, etc...lots of complex stuff beyond the kernel that comes into this ;) |
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| 06:38:08 | togetic | anyone have a 1g nano ipod and have successfully played a game without glitches? |
| 06:38:14 | togetic | ..on rockbox |
| 06:38:17 | scorche | "a game"? |
| 06:38:19 | togetic | i realized it's being emulated, but.. |
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| 06:38:25 | togetic | yeah, any gba game |
| 06:38:33 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't have a GBA emulator |
| 06:38:36 | Llorean | So, no, nobody has. |
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| 06:38:42 | togetic | i meant gbc |
| 06:38:46 | togetic | or even gb |
| 06:38:47 | Llorean | Then yes, I have. |
| 06:38:57 | togetic | what game Llorean? |
| 06:39:09 | Llorean | Final Fantasy Legend. |
| 06:39:14 | togetic | ah, i have that |
| 06:39:22 | togetic | well, final fantasy adventure.. |
| 06:39:29 | Llorean | Different games entirely. |
| 06:39:36 | togetic | true |
| 06:39:45 | Llorean | But the Nano's pretty slow, so don't expect perfect performance from most games. |
| 06:39:53 | Llorean | And the emulator could always use more polish |
| 06:40:11 | togetic | the mpeg movie player works flawlessly |
| 06:40:37 | togetic | no sound in doom |
| 06:40:48 | Llorean | No music in doom. It should have sound effects |
| 06:41:56 | togetic | aha |
| 06:42:01 | togetic | had the sound turned off |
| 06:43:40 | togetic | the game is difficult to play like this, but it's so cool |
| 06:45:48 | Mikachu | it's almost possible with god mode on :) |
| 06:47:03 | togetic | any good puzzle games? |
| 06:47:33 | togetic | sudoku is alright i guess |
| 06:47:42 | Mikachu | sokoban if you have a looking glass :) |
| 06:48:05 | Mikachu | wrong word, magnifying glass |
| 06:49:03 | togetic | i forget what game it is w/ the helicopter, but it just crashes |
| 06:49:18 | togetic | that's all, no flying, it just does a nose dive straight to the ground each time it starts |
| 06:49:27 | togetic | ah, 'chopper' |
| 06:49:30 | Mikachu | press the button ;) |
| 06:49:38 | togetic | ooh |
| 06:49:41 | togetic | i see :) |
| 06:50:04 | Llorean | is chopper in the manual? |
| 06:50:07 | togetic | now it's fun :) |
| 06:50:21 | Dhraakellian | Mikachu: but how do you activate god mode? |
| 06:50:40 | Mikachu | Dhraakellian: your favorite text editor :) |
| 06:50:53 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 06:51:49 | Dhraakellian | hmm... http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=announcement&thread.id=165 <−−could that be used to unbrick a Fuze? |
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| 06:54:13 | togetic | hmm, for some reason, the podcasts from here won't play on me rockbox: http://media.nap.edu/podcasts/ |
| 06:54:49 | saratoga | you're probably doing something wrong |
| 06:55:02 | togetic | hah |
| 06:55:11 | togetic | i can play everything else |
| 06:55:33 | Llorean | What format are they, and how long are they? |
| 06:55:37 | togetic | what's also odd is that it won't play mp3s after attempting to play one of these |
| 06:55:39 | togetic | mp3 |
| 06:55:49 | Llorean | Perhaps they have odd metadata. |
| 06:55:58 | togetic | ~13mins |
| 06:56:28 | togetic | i listened to radio podcasts that were both ~1hr long |
| 06:56:42 | togetic | ..today, i listened to them... using rbox |
| 06:56:50 | togetic | ooh, ooh |
| 06:56:59 | togetic | it plays |
| 06:57:19 | togetic | i had to press play... |
| 06:57:38 | togetic | odd, they are all playing.. |
| 06:58:05 | togetic | maybe i was pressing pause/select at the same time when selecting the podcast |
| 06:58:09 | scorche | ... |
| 06:58:10 | togetic | i do have big thumbs |
| 06:58:18 | togetic | shush, don't say it scorche :P |
| 06:59:02 | togetic | i suppose it's time for bed |
| 06:59:23 | togetic | thanks for entertaining my random thoughts tonight |
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| 09:30:17 | pixelma | Zagor: do you remember where you got the USB VID/PIDs of the c200s from that you put on the DeviceChart wiki page? I was wondering because I got a different result when compared to the description - after asking here and Llorean confirming my results, I changed them (see the diff between the revs of the page) |
| 09:30:42 | pixelma | but I still wanted to ask, in case there are differences between the actual devices... |
| 09:31:41 | Zagor | I think I got them from my own c200. |
| 09:31:48 | pixelma | it looked like only the description was wrong though |
| 09:33:15 | Zagor | um, which page? DeviceChart is from dec 08 |
| 09:33:16 | pixelma | well it had the VID/PID of my (and Llorean's) c200 in UMS mode listed as "c240 in UMS mode" and mine in MTP mode as "c250 in UMS mode" |
| 09:33:37 | pixelma | err... DeviceDetection ...something with Device ;) |
| 09:35:23 | pixelma | Llorean had exactly the same results with his c240 as me with a c250 |
| 09:36:07 | Zagor | ok. I can't disagree since I don't remember the details of my check. |
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| 09:37:56 | pixelma | would be nice if you find time to test again, maybe there are really differences... |
| 09:38:22 | Zagor | I'll try to remember tonight. |
| 09:38:51 | pixelma | thanks :) |
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| 10:50:48 | mib_dq3or4tm | Hey can anyone help me? I accidentally deleted some files from my gbsystem, then reinstalled the bootloader and rockbox, and it still won't boot |
| 10:51:22 | mib_dq3or4tm | I've formatted it multiple times to exfat and fat32, and tried to restore the original firmware and rockbox |
| 10:51:53 | mib_dq3or4tm | and all I get is no system found on hdd (error code 0010070) |
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| 10:55:23 | mib_dq3or4tm | pls help? |
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| 10:55:33 | linuxstb | mib_dq3or4tm: So neither Rockbox or the Rockbox bootloader is starting |
| 10:55:43 | mib_dq3or4tm | nope |
| 10:55:55 | mib_dq3or4tm | It starts to load the hd |
| 10:56:14 | mib_dq3or4tm | then it just goes to the error screen |
| 10:56:16 | linuxstb | Have you seen this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
| 10:56:25 | mib_dq3or4tm | I've looked all over the internet but not there :D |
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| 10:56:45 | mib_dq3or4tm | ah wait |
| 10:56:50 | mib_dq3or4tm | I looked at that last night |
| 10:56:53 | linuxstb | There's also a dummy gbsystem folder on that page, which you can download and copy to your gigabeat. |
| 10:56:55 | mib_dq3or4tm | didn't try though |
| 10:56:58 | mib_dq3or4tm | ok |
| 10:57:00 | mib_dq3or4tm | thanks |
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| 11:23:40 | GodEater | is there anything still seriously blocking FS #9708 ? |
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| 11:33:41 | gevaerts | GodEater: right now, the freeze :) Apart from that I'd like to know as well... |
| 11:38:52 | n1s | i always liekd the commit-and-see-if-anyone-complains strategy :) |
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| 12:25:59 | mib_dq3or4tm | Ok back again |
| 12:26:09 | mib_dq3or4tm | i've been trying to remove the stupid backplate |
| 12:26:15 | mib_dq3or4tm | took all 4screws out |
| 12:26:18 | mib_dq3or4tm | can't get it off |
| 12:26:26 | mib_dq3or4tm | on gigabeat x30 |
| 12:26:29 | mib_dq3or4tm | any help here? |
| 12:27:41 | mib_dq3or4tm | lol nvm theres 2 more hidden |
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| 12:38:06 | CIA-38 | New commit by bluebrother (r21215): Add Lithuanian to rbutil voice language options. |
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| 12:51:29 | mib_dq3or4tm | hey, how do I remove the hard drive, I don't get it |
| 12:57:56 | mib_dq3or4tm | pls someone help me :( |
| 12:58:03 | mib_dq3or4tm | my gigabeat is in peices |
| 12:58:13 | mib_dq3or4tm | and i dunno how to get the hard drive out :d |
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| 13:01:33 | linuxstb | mib_dq3or4tm: Be patient - not many people own an X, and not everyone is online every minute of the day... |
| 13:01:55 | mib_dq3or4tm | yes! |
| 13:01:57 | mib_dq3or4tm | i got it off |
| 13:01:58 | mib_dq3or4tm | but |
| 13:02:06 | mib_dq3or4tm | how do i disconnect the cable? |
| 13:02:27 | mib_dq3or4tm | sorry if I seem impatient, It's late here, I have to go soon |
| 13:02:29 | mib_dq3or4tm | and |
| 13:02:56 | mib_dq3or4tm | his is a nooby thing, but i kinda don't see why you would be here for hours connected, without sayin anything? |
| 13:02:59 | mib_dq3or4tm | anyway |
| 13:03:17 | mib_dq3or4tm | if you know how to remove tha cable, pls says so, thx in advance |
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| 13:06:07 | FrankTM | what is the difference between Initialize now & Update now in the Database settings menu |
| 13:06:52 | mib_dq3or4tm | uh |
| 13:07:01 | mib_dq3or4tm | update updates the database |
| 13:07:13 | mib_dq3or4tm | initialize means just use it or something |
| 13:07:22 | mib_dq3or4tm | mebe temporary updating? |
| 13:07:27 | pixelma | FrankTM: is the manual not clear enough? |
| 13:07:30 | mib_dq3or4tm | try it, see what happens |
| 13:09:01 | FrankTM | there is (afaik) no manual for my device. |
| 13:09:08 | FrankTM | hmm. might aswell check some others |
| 13:09:25 | Slasheri | Unhelpful: hmm, interesting. Do you have a patch to show how you tried to fix that? |
| 13:10:00 | Slasheri | FrankTM: initialize removes and re-creates the database from scratch (i.e., removing all statistics, ratings and so on) |
| 13:10:28 | Slasheri | FrankTM: update does just insert or remove items from the db |
| 13:11:02 | FrankTM | ratings etc doesn't work anyway :P |
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| 13:11:11 | FrankTM | but i understand now |
| 13:11:59 | Slasheri | FrankTM: doesn't work? |
| 13:12:04 | Slasheri | those should work |
| 13:12:44 | FrankTM | last played and what else more does not work for me |
| 13:12:49 | pixelma | Slasheri: I don't know which device FrankTM has, but some newer ports aren't able to write to disk yet (e.g. D2) |
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| 13:13:01 | FrankTM | it's the Sansa Fuze |
| 13:13:17 | FrankTM | plugins do write to disk |
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| 13:13:31 | FrankTM | database get's filled aswell |
| 13:13:37 | pixelma | ah hmm, did you enable "gather runtime data"? |
| 13:13:58 | FrankTM | i think "should I?" explains that |
| 13:14:26 | Slasheri | if you want ratings to work, that has to be enabled :) |
| 13:15:08 | * | FrankTM goes sit in the corner |
| 13:15:14 | FrankTM | how did i miss that |
| 13:19:40 | scorche | by not reading the manual? ;) |
| 13:20:11 | mib_dq3or4tm | ARG! |
| 13:20:17 | mib_dq3or4tm | doesn anyone here know how |
| 13:20:32 | mib_dq3or4tm | to remove the cable from a 1.8 inch cable on a gigabeat x? |
| 13:20:41 | FrankTM | scorche: well.. i haven't read it all |
| 13:20:59 | FrankTM | but i went through all those menu's and didn't even see it :P |
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| 13:22:12 | scorche | mib_dq3or4tm: please read the guidelines for this channel as linked in the topic...there are a number of them that you have violated...as to your inquiry, it is a common ZIF socket...there are likely many results in a google search for more information... |
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| 13:26:13 | mib_dq3or4tm | sorry :D |
| 13:26:50 | mib_dq3or4tm | its just the hard drive is stuck in a protective cradle, so access to the connector is limited |
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| 13:34:14 | mib_dq3or4tm | ah ok thats off |
| 13:34:54 | mib_dq3or4tm | now, i accidentally knocked off the little plastic switch to turn on and off the battery |
| 13:35:03 | mib_dq3or4tm | any ideas how to fix? |
| 13:35:17 | mib_dq3or4tm | its just 1 tiny piece of plastic |
| 13:35:33 | mib_dq3or4tm | nvm answered that too :D |
| 13:36:59 | FrankTM | we're glad to have helped with that |
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| 13:44:29 | anigav | is there a way to have rockbox switch back to the now playing screen after a certain period of inactivity, like the ipod software does? |
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| 13:47:06 | Torne | anigav: no |
| 13:47:22 | anigav | shitburgers. why? |
| 13:47:35 | Torne | because software doesn't do anything unless someone programs it to? |
| 13:47:54 | gevaerts | Is pressing the go-to-WPS button too hard? |
| 13:48:15 | anigav | what's WPS? and which button is that? |
| 13:48:52 | gevaerts | While Playing Screen, and see the manual. |
| 13:49:24 | anigav | I don't think the ipod video does have a button for that ... |
| 13:49:28 | anigav | unless you mean the quick menu |
| 13:49:54 | pixelma | the Ipod has, please read the manual |
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| 13:55:03 | mib_dq3or4tm | ugh, does anyone else find zif connectors fidgety? |
| 13:55:18 | mib_dq3or4tm | I don't think its quite plugged in all the way (hard drive) |
| 13:55:24 | anigav | pixelma: well I can't find it, if you know which button it is please tell me |
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| 13:56:14 | mib_dq3or4tm | tell anigav try pressing buttons till it happens :D |
| 13:56:15 | FrankTM | anigav: probabbly arrow up |
| 13:56:31 | Torne | it's "play" |
| 13:56:32 | FrankTM | hmm.. without the arrow part |
| 13:56:52 | Torne | which shouldn't be that difficult to discover given that there are only five buttons |
| 13:57:10 | anigav | nope, when I press play, playback stops, only if I then press play again I get to the WPS |
| 13:57:29 | Torne | how long are you pressing play for? |
| 13:57:34 | Torne | long press of play is stop |
| 13:57:43 | Torne | short press is play/pause on WPS, or "go to wps" on everything else |
| 13:57:51 | anigav | huh |
| 13:57:58 | mib_dq3or4tm | huh indeed! |
| 13:58:00 | anigav | well now it seems to work |
| 13:58:02 | mib_dq3or4tm | all that wasted time |
| 13:58:09 | anigav | I tried it before and it didn't |
| 13:58:22 | Torne | it doesn't work from in plugins (which map buttons however they want) |
| 13:58:25 | mib_dq3or4tm | to find out that opening the stupid gigabeat didn't fix my problem!! |
| 13:58:25 | mib_dq3or4tm | :D |
| 13:58:27 | Torne | or from a few screens like the recording screen |
| 13:58:30 | FrankTM | hmm.. on fuze: up = play & wps; home hold = stop playpack |
| 13:58:38 | Torne | but from almost all the menus, it should work |
| 13:58:50 | anigav | alright |
| 13:58:58 | mib_dq3or4tm | goodnight ladies, ,may you have fun solvin ipod problems |
| 13:58:59 | mib_dq3or4tm | :D |
| 13:59:02 | | Part mib_dq3or4tm |
| 13:59:06 | Torne | and yes it's in the manual :) |
| 13:59:15 | anigav | where? |
| 13:59:43 | anigav | nevermind, I've found it :) |
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| 14:01:06 | anigav | it's under "file browser", but now under "main menu" |
| 14:01:27 | Torne | most of the file browser controls apply to all the menus |
| 14:01:49 | anigav | that's good to know |
| 14:02:57 | anigav | another thing: is there a way to edit tags with rockbox? |
| 14:03:07 | anigav | that would be cool as hell |
| 14:03:20 | Torne | don't think so. |
| 14:03:24 | Torne | why? |
| 14:03:35 | Torne | it's possibly the least convenient/comfortable possible interface to be doing that :) |
| 14:03:53 | anigav | well, often you only see that a tag is wrong while you're playing a song, and by the time you get home, you forget about it |
| 14:04:08 | anigav | so it would be useful to edit tags right there |
| 14:04:19 | Torne | if you aren't using ratings for anything else, you could mark stuff with those |
| 14:04:25 | Torne | rate it as 1 star if it's taged wrong |
| 14:04:28 | Torne | then you can pick the list out later |
| 14:04:39 | anigav | ok that makes sense |
| 14:04:52 | * | Torne shrugs, never needed to do that, all the music on my player has been through musicbrainz already |
| 14:05:00 | anigav | what's that? |
| 14:05:00 | FrankTM | be sure to remove all ratings before you start tagging :P |
| 14:05:38 | anigav | anyway, a tag editor would be more useful than the paint app :P |
| 14:05:48 | Torne | feel free to implement a tag editor plugin, anigav :) |
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| 14:07:13 | anigav | give me half an hour |
| 14:07:31 | FrankTM | anigav: you could draw the filenames that need work :+ |
| 14:07:40 | anigav | you write plugins in c right? |
| 14:07:47 | Torne | yes |
| 14:07:56 | anigav | cause I know c |
| 14:08:31 | Torne | well, feel free to learn how to write plugins, and write one for whatever you like ;) |
| 14:09:11 | anigav | I've been thinking of attaching a NES controller to the ipod and using that to play the games |
| 14:09:45 | anigav | is there a NES emu for rockbox? |
| 14:09:50 | Torne | yes |
| 14:09:55 | anigav | awesome |
| 14:09:55 | Torne | it's not done, but i believe it works |
| 14:10:01 | Torne | look in the bugtracker, there's a patch |
| 14:10:12 | anigav | for the emu or for the controller? |
| 14:10:58 | Torne | FS #2911 |
| 14:10:59 | Torne | the emulator |
| 14:11:19 | anigav | ok, but playing with the ipod wheel is really shit |
| 14:11:21 | Torne | the controller would be possible, technically, but you'd need some intervening hardware to convert the NES pad interface into serial commands |
| 14:11:49 | anigav | yeah, a small attiny could do that easily |
| 14:12:05 | anigav | the nes controller is just buttons attached to a shift register |
| 14:12:25 | anigav | you just need to read that out and send it over the rs232 port |
| 14:12:26 | Torne | or just break open an ipod dock that has play/skip/etc buttons and use that :) |
| 14:12:40 | anigav | how about no? |
| 14:12:59 | anigav | I didn't buy any accessories for my ipod whatsoever |
| 14:13:06 | anigav | it's fucking robbery |
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| 14:13:41 | anigav | anyway, gotta go to the dentist, see ya |
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| 14:23:36 | togetic | about to leave for awhile, but i was wondering, how do you save readable to txt to rockbox? |
| 14:24:10 | togetic | i put simple .txt files in the default Notes folder, but they aren't visible when I browse there with the ipod |
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| 14:26:24 | GodEater | togetic: have you set "View files" to "supported", or is it just set to "Music" at the moment ? |
| 14:29:31 | togetic | GodEater: i don't even know how to do that |
| 14:30:10 | togetic | never heard of it |
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| 14:32:07 | togetic | ah |
| 14:32:14 | togetic | it was on 'supported' |
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| 14:34:39 | togetic | found the problem |
| 14:34:54 | togetic | the extensions .txt weren't on the name of the file |
| 14:35:05 | GodEater | that would present an issue then yes |
| 14:35:49 | togetic | heh, i just figured dolphin would do that automatically when i created the .txt file using the right click menu |
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| 14:52:11 | Unhelpful | Slasheri: it includes some new tagcache methods, but here's one of the fixes i tried, with the relevant hunk at line 89 in the patch: http://pastie.org/504398 |
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| 16:11:02 | ED-209_ | hello, where can I find utilities or games/emulators/etc for an iriver h300? |
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| 16:15:39 | evilnick | ED-209_: What sort of utilities/games? |
| 16:16:47 | ED-209_ | basically anything I can try out, I don't have anything specific in mind |
| 16:17:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | ED-209_: There are already some games in Rockbox. |
| 16:17:21 | evilnick | Have you read the manual? All the emulators that work are available in each build - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-22300011.3 |
| 16:17:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | And the manual explains how to use them. |
| 16:17:48 | ED-209_ | except for one thing, I was wondering if it's possible for a plugin to be made that will pitch shift a signal from the line in, and output it in realtime |
| 16:18:26 | evilnick | To use the h300 as a sort of effects box? |
| 16:18:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | ED-209_: Any kind of plugin can be written, provided someone is willing to work on it. |
| 16:18:49 | ED-209_ | in a sense... I want to use it as a kind of voice modulator |
| 16:19:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | This is an entirely volunteer-based project, so if someone comes in and says, "Gee, I wish we had such and such...", then we tell them, "Well, feel free to contribute such and such". |
| 16:19:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | But there are also patches on Flyspray that you can look at to see if someone has maybe covered what you want. |
| 16:20:59 | ED-209_ | yeah I've checked out every feature of the stable release and the current/daily releases for he H300, but I was vaguely hoping there might be some h300 fans in here who knew about some other things that aren't included in rockbox |
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| 16:22:17 | evilnick | ED-209_: This thread might be interesting for you: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11734.0 (ignore the title of it!) |
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| 16:28:04 | ED-209_ | interesting thread |
| 16:28:45 | evilnick | And the other one that is linked there may be useful too |
| 16:28:56 | ED-209_ | it was just about 20 bit recording |
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| 16:29:08 | evilnick | The other one: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2138.30 |
| 16:29:11 | ED-209_ | if the recording could have effects put on it in realtime |
| 16:29:18 | funman | is there any ARM targets without the cp15 coprocessor ? |
| 16:29:50 | Torne | ipod, no? |
| 16:30:05 | Torne | cp15 is usually missing on arm7tdmi |
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| 16:30:18 | Torne | since it would serve no purpose other than chip id |
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| 16:32:00 | funman | I need this info for fs#10296 : ARM: Display Fault Status and Address for data aborts |
| 16:32:16 | Torne | Ah |
| 16:32:20 | Torne | arm7 doesn't have those registers, no |
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| 16:32:33 | Torne | the only way to find the faulting address is to look in r14 when you hit the abort vector |
| 16:32:54 | Torne | and there are no abort statuses on arm7tdmi, all aborts are external (or possibly alignment?) |
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| 16:33:16 | funman | is it the fault address, or the address where the fault occured? |
| 16:33:29 | Torne | oh, sorry, yes. the pc address where the fault occurred. |
| 16:33:33 | Torne | the faulting address is not saved. |
| 16:33:42 | Torne | the value of r14_abt is all you get |
| 16:33:46 | funman | ok |
| 16:33:57 | Torne | this will be the case for any ARM that doesn't have an MMU or MPU |
| 16:34:03 | funman | do you have some doc, or will to explain what an "external" abort is ? (this what i'm seeing) |
| 16:34:06 | Torne | not sure which chips we support |
| 16:34:21 | Torne | an external abort is just somethnig outside the processor pulling the abort pin |
| 16:34:36 | Torne | usually, it's either the bus multiplexor saying "there is no hardware at this address" |
| 16:34:38 | funman | ok, like the memory controller in this case? |
| 16:34:45 | Torne | or a peripheral saying "there is no register at this address" |
| 16:35:01 | r0b- | well i see USB in 21200 is working to an extent |
| 16:35:02 | Torne | (not all peripherals/memory controllers bother to signal aborts though, they're free to just mirror or return garbage or whatever) |
| 16:36:08 | funman | there is a lot of arm7 targets in rockbox (all PP) |
| 16:36:12 | Torne | yes. |
| 16:36:18 | Torne | PP is arm7tdmi |
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| 16:36:33 | funman | then if this patch is useful we should create a new feature HAVE_CP15 |
| 16:36:35 | Torne | there are ARM7s with MMUs as well, but i don't know if there are any players based on that or not |
| 16:36:44 | Torne | it's not the presence of cp15 that makes it work |
| 16:36:54 | Torne | it's having an mmu/mpu. it's technically independant |
| 16:37:09 | kugel | isn't cpu already on board when there are caches? |
| 16:37:20 | kugel | cp15* |
| 16:37:46 | Torne | iirc the portalplayer's caches are weird and controlled via proprietary methods. i'm not an expert on PP though so i could be wrong |
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| 16:38:27 | funman | yes there is a specific cache controller |
| 16:38:45 | Torne | so, yah, as far as I know there's no reason why teh PP chips would have cp15 |
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| 16:38:59 | Torne | that's only to control standard ARM-architecture spec MMUs/MPUs/caches |
| 16:39:13 | Torne | i don't know for certain but i'm reasonably sure that ARM7TDMI never has cp15 |
| 16:39:35 | kugel | but at least all arm9*? |
| 16:39:52 | Torne | cp15 is required to be present on arm9 iirc but that doesn't mean the fault status register will be |
| 16:40:03 | funman | Torne: i think it's only required on armv6 |
| 16:40:05 | Torne | fault status is only available if you have MMU/MPU, whatever ARM core it is |
| 16:40:16 | Torne | funman: ..yes, that's it actually ;) |
| 16:40:47 | funman | we would need HAVE_ARM_MMU then |
| 16:40:56 | Torne | surely there is already such a thing :) |
| 16:41:10 | Torne | some of the ports already use the MMU |
| 16:41:29 | funman | i don't think so, specific ports handle themselves their memory management |
| 16:41:39 | funman | or manage themselves their memory (better english) |
| 16:41:44 | kugel | there's a arm7tdmi #define |
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| 16:42:04 | funman | hum perhaps that could help |
| 16:42:14 | Torne | i don't know what processors are relevant |
| 16:42:18 | kugel | so, for current targets, we could do #if ARM_ARCH >= 4 && !defined(ARM7TDMI) |
| 16:42:22 | Torne | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores has the specs for all extant ARM cores |
| 16:42:28 | funman | all arm9 don't have a mmu anyway, but we could ask an expert (amiconn?) |
| 16:42:36 | funman | kugel: ARM_ARCH >= 4 is always true |
| 16:42:43 | kugel | yep :) |
| 16:42:45 | Torne | kugel: no, because ARM966 and 968 don't have MMU either |
| 16:43:03 | kugel | "for current targets" |
| 16:43:05 | Torne | 946 has an MPU which i forget if it populates the fault status registers or not |
| 16:43:50 | Torne | kugel: you'd do better defining it the other way around. i think you'll find most rockbox ARM targets lack an MMU :) |
| 16:44:13 | kugel | probably, yes |
| 16:44:33 | * | Torne checks what you get from an MPU. |
| 16:45:10 | Torne | yah, the fault status/address registers are also defined for MPU, though not all fault statuses are possible then |
| 16:45:36 | Torne | so you need something like ARM_HAS_MEMORY_PROTECTION really |
| 16:46:06 | Torne | to distinguish devices that actually have *some* kind fo silicon looking after memory from ones that just splat an address out onto the bus and wait for data or an abort to come back :) |
| 16:46:54 | funman | the best would be #if defined(ARM_CRAPPY_PORT_CRASHES_A_LOT) |
| 16:47:30 | Torne | heh |
| 16:47:32 | FrankTM | :p |
| 16:47:46 | FrankTM | funman: btw: i did some more fuze keybindings |
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| 16:48:24 | kugel | FrankTM: I find the scrollwheel quite comfortable to use in maze |
| 16:48:25 | funman | FrankTM: yep i noticed, I don't know what to do for the blackjack plugin though |
| 16:48:42 | funman | isn't maze the plugin which mixes scrollwheel and left/right for directions ? |
| 16:48:54 | FrankTM | scrollwheel does up/down |
| 16:48:58 | FrankTM | buttons do left/right |
| 16:49:02 | FrankTM | quite annoying imo |
| 16:49:33 | funman | +1 |
| 16:50:01 | kugel | I like that |
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| 16:50:45 | Torne | funman/kugel: anyway as far as that patch goes,yes, you want a define based on the presence of a mmu/mpu, and you probably want to print the status for instruction aborts as well |
| 16:50:59 | Torne | note that on armv6 the instruction abort status register is seperate |
| 16:51:38 | kugel | we have jhmikes for armv6 |
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| 16:51:58 | funman | Torne: arm922 manual doesn't say FAR is updated for instructions faults, only data aborts |
| 16:52:06 | Torne | FSR |
| 16:52:14 | Torne | FAR is indeed not updated |
| 16:52:17 | Torne | but FSR is still valid |
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| 16:52:25 | Torne | tells yuo whether it's a translation/permission/domain/etc fault |
| 16:52:39 | funman | oh it's for instruction fetch? |
| 16:52:43 | kugel | aren't we running in supervisor mode all the time? |
| 16:52:53 | Torne | yes |
| 16:53:03 | Torne | it's prefetch abort |
| 16:53:09 | funman | oh ok |
| 16:53:10 | Torne | undefined instruction is a different vector :) |
| 16:53:32 | Torne | so, yah. armv4/5 has FSR updated for data or prefetch abort |
| 16:53:44 | Torne | armv6 has a seperate FSR for data and prefetch, so you'd need to read the right one |
| 16:54:42 | Torne | ...wow, have ARM still not published the v6 arm arm on their site? |
| 16:55:50 | Torne | oh, no, they have, just not updated the link title ;) |
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| 18:27:01 | anigav | show files > all |
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| 18:28:47 | omokas | show files > all |
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| 18:29:59 | evilnick | anigav: What are you trying to do/say? |
| 18:30:12 | anigav | show files > all! |
| 18:30:54 | evilnick | Okay, but why are you typing that here? Are you trying to show all the files on your DAP? |
| 18:31:30 | anigav | what's a DAP? |
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| 18:31:54 | evilnick | Digital Audio Player |
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| 18:32:06 | anigav | you mean like an ipod? |
| 18:32:21 | evilnick | yes |
| 18:32:27 | anigav | I call it ipod |
| 18:32:34 | anigav | cause that's what it says on the rear |
| 18:32:49 | Mikachu | rockbox runs on other daps than the ipod |
| 18:33:04 | anigav | yeah but those suck |
| 18:33:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Fine, that's your opinion. But that's not the same opinion others here hold. |
| 18:33:57 | anigav | what other players are there with >= 80gb capacity |
| 18:34:03 | evilnick | Most of them have better hardware than most ipods and are cheaper to buy. |
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| 18:34:44 | pixelma | it's also a bit off-topic here |
| 18:35:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | And also note that the iPod Classic (the new 6th gen models available) are not compatible with Rockbox. |
| 18:36:14 | anigav | good thing I got the 5.5G 80GB |
| 18:36:21 | anigav | did you know that there are 240 |
| 18:36:28 | evilnick | yes |
| 18:36:29 | anigav | 240GB disks that fit in there |
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| 18:36:38 | evilnick | still yes |
| 18:37:02 | anigav | but yeah, a flash player with 64G would be ok for me |
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| 18:39:27 | CIA-38 | New commit by kugel (r21216): Pictureflow: Don't show the playback control one targets that can't have playback in pictureflow. |
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| 19:09:16 | saratoga | funman: i've been looping your latest MMU patch on my e200v2 for 90 minutes without issue |
| 19:09:34 | funman | same here (playing flac) |
| 19:09:57 | * | kugel too |
| 19:10:02 | kugel | no problems here |
| 19:10:24 | saratoga | though the wheel light issue is kind of funny |
| 19:10:38 | kugel | in fact, I'm using the recent versions since a week or so without problems |
| 19:10:46 | funman | i always saw it on my fuze (wheel light on SD transfer) |
| 19:11:39 | bertrik | I had instant data aborts with one of the recent patches on my clip |
| 19:11:42 | kugel | I probably failed a bit when inserting the buttonlight handling in the sd driver (not checking the timeout or so), but I didn't bother to look at it since I find it really helpful in this stage |
| 19:11:48 | funman | unless someone reports again filesystem corruption i'll commit it this evening so we can all work on the same codebase, and then fix minor problems |
| 19:12:08 | funman | bertrik: i commented about this on today's patch |
| 19:12:25 | kugel | I have buttonlight set off, so I see it only on sd transfers :) |
| 19:12:32 | funman | ;) |
| 19:12:33 | kugel | funman: 100% agree |
| 19:12:36 | saratoga | yes i think it should go into SVN so that people test it more |
| 19:13:50 | funman | somehow if the DMA buffers aren't aligned on cache size it will causes problems: I think this is what we saw after sme random commit broke the penultimate patch (i should have versioned them, but there were too much ..) |
| 19:13:54 | kugel | I think the disk led would be a valuable feature for other targets too |
| 19:14:13 | kugel | what's the penultimate patch btw? |
| 19:14:20 | bertrik | funman, your patch from today 16:16 works for me |
| 19:14:22 | saratoga | funman: I don't know about ARM specifically, but on a lot of systems accesses to unaligned memory addresses aren't always atomic |
| 19:14:29 | funman | kugel: the one just before the last |
| 19:14:34 | saratoga | penultimate is the "one before last" |
| 19:14:42 | kugel | ah |
| 19:14:46 | saratoga | like antepenultimate (one before the one before the last) |
| 19:14:52 | saratoga | or preantepenultimate |
| 19:15:03 | * | kugel never heard those terms |
| 19:15:06 | funman | saratoga: unaligned means not aligned on word size (32bits), but in this case it means not aligned on cache line size (32*32bits) |
| 19:15:12 | saratoga | its one of those wonderful words that native english speakers have no idea what it means |
| 19:15:20 | kugel | then it goes further with pre? preprepreantepenultimate? |
| 19:15:23 | saratoga | funman: yeah |
| 19:15:38 | funman | oops, 32 bytes |
| 19:15:51 | saratoga | x86 has similar issues with atomic memory access across cachelines and page boundaries too |
| 19:16:40 | saratoga | for instance on some intel chips a load double isn't atomic (first word can be loaded, the second changed, and then loaded) if it passes a page boundary for instance |
| 19:17:58 | bertrik | funman, I found another |= operation on a write-only register :P |
| 19:18:14 | saratoga | once the MMU patch is in, I'll submit release canidate bootloaders to the tracker |
| 19:18:29 | saratoga | then we can release whenever everyone thinks its ready |
| 19:18:46 | funman | the drawback with having to pass data through a cache line aligned buffer is only noticeable on large (1MB), and unaligned (on 32 bits) transfers, so we can live with it |
| 19:19:05 | funman | saratoga: shouldn't we wait 3.4 ? |
| 19:19:28 | funman | saratoga: also there is some patches we must finish (clip button, e200v2 radio for instance) |
| 19:19:38 | kugel | funman: if the transfer is large and unaligned or one of those? |
| 19:19:41 | funman | bertrik: oh where ? :) |
| 19:19:57 | saratoga | funman: the feature freeze doesn't apply to new ports, so you can commit when you like |
| 19:20:03 | bertrik | ata_sd_as3525.c # 440, it probably doesn't any harm |
| 19:20:13 | funman | kugel: hum i mean if the transfer is large and aligned, because if it's unaligned we have to copy to an aligned buffer anyway |
| 19:20:18 | saratoga | though unless the clip issue is discovered, it might make sense to just do the e200v2 and Fuze initially |
| 19:20:23 | * | kugel sees no reason to wait for 3.4 |
| 19:20:28 | funman | saratoga: i meant shouldn't we wait 3.4 for a release |
| 19:20:41 | saratoga | sorry i mean "supported build" |
| 19:20:44 | funman | ok |
| 19:20:45 | saratoga | not a 3.3 release |
| 19:21:04 | saratoga | 3.4 will be the first release for AMS for sure, but we'll offer SVN builds and rbutil support before then |
| 19:21:18 | funman | logf() is quite handy, and could help finding what's wrong on the Clip |
| 19:21:36 | funman | rbutil (and mkamsboot) also need some work before it can be supported |
| 19:21:39 | saratoga | did anyone try shrinking the memory on the fuze to be the same size as the clip? |
| 19:21:49 | kugel | mkamsboot? |
| 19:21:58 | kugel | why did we release 1.0 if it needs work |
| 19:22:26 | funman | kugel: i wrote on rockbox-dev@ about this : we need a way to support firmwares released after compilation |
| 19:22:43 | funman | Llorean suggested we provide a downloadable list of tested OFs |
| 19:22:45 | kugel | I'm in favor of a −−force switch |
| 19:22:54 | bertrik | funman, I thought the clip button is just a case of insufficient delay between setting the rows and reading the columns |
| 19:23:04 | kugel | I don't feel comfortable with just accepting |
| 19:23:13 | * | bertrik agrees |
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| 19:23:22 | funman | me too, but we need to make mkamsboot support such a list, so rbutil can use it. We could make the current list builtin mkamsboot just like it is now |
| 19:23:54 | saratoga | this is something thats important for 3.4 but thats still al ong ways away |
| 19:23:59 | funman | bertrik: that's it, but we'll need to address it one day or the other ;) I want to test your patch before modifying again the delays though, and I already have modified them in the current FS #10048 patch |
| 19:24:05 | saratoga | first i just want to get binaries and bootloaders on the download server |
| 19:24:07 | kugel | rbutil is supposed to show the supported OF versions? |
| 19:24:28 | funman | kugel: not exactly |
| 19:24:44 | kugel | what does it need the list for then? |
| 19:25:04 | saratoga | to see if a given OF is supported |
| 19:25:10 | funman | If rbutil is built on july 1st, and a new Fuze OF is released on july 2nd, and tested by us on july 3rd : people running rbutil after july 3rd can patch this OF version |
| 19:25:16 | kugel | that can be seen by the return value of mkamsboot too |
| 19:25:29 | saratoga | we prompt the user for the OF, so they could provide one rbutil doesn't know about, in which case it would reject it |
| 19:25:54 | kugel | if (OF_unknown) return EXIT_OF_UNKOWN; |
| 19:26:08 | kugel | exit(EXIT_OF_UNKNOWN) even |
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| 19:26:49 | kugel | rbutil only needs the list if it wants to show it. unsupported OFs can be handled in mkamsboot itself |
| 19:27:12 | funman | kugel: we want rbutil to support only OFs verified to work with mkamsboot |
| 19:27:39 | funman | and we want it to support OFs tested after a specific rbutil version have been built |
| 19:28:03 | kugel | without needing a new rbutil release? so, mkamsboot is built-in? |
| 19:28:29 | funman | yes mkamsboot is built-in, and the list of tested OFs (with their md5sums and their version) is downloaded from rockbox website |
| 19:28:34 | kugel | mkamsboot could just be downloaded |
| 19:28:45 | kugel | the bootloader need to be downloaded anyway |
| 19:29:23 | funman | mkamsboot is used as a library by rbutil, not as an external progarm |
| 19:29:40 | kugel | that's already set in stone? |
| 19:29:44 | funman | and doing a release at each new OF sandisk releases is exagerated i think |
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| 19:30:05 | * | kugel disagrees |
| 19:30:17 | kugel | but well, either way is fine, as long as we get something out :) |
| 19:30:21 | * | domonoky likes having the md5sum lis of known firmwares in svn. and it shouldnt be much work. |
| 19:30:31 | domonoky | svn/web |
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| 19:31:27 | funman | kugel: also the mkamsboot 1.0 release accepts any untested OF, only printing a warning. |
| 19:31:45 | funman | this is why i removed the link from the SansaAMS wiki page, so users get it from svn |
| 19:32:13 | domonoky | mkamsboot just needs a small modifcation to accept a different md5sum list as the builtin list. |
| 19:32:16 | kugel | yea, I knew that, but not about the other "more work" |
| 19:32:57 | bertrik | can we do it the same for ams as we currently do for pp sansas? |
| 19:33:25 | domonoky | bertrik: what do you means with "the same" ? |
| 19:33:45 | bertrik | with a built-in list |
| 19:33:48 | domonoky | pp sansas use sansapatcher and a completly different install method. |
| 19:34:02 | domonoky | it doesnt use a md5sum list |
| 19:34:20 | bertrik | maybe for sansapatcher we don't really have much choice because it needs encryption keys, not md5 sums |
| 19:34:25 | * | kugel wonders if we can extract the currently installed OF version and recommend it it or so |
| 19:35:08 | domonoky | ams install method is similar to hxx0 installation. there the list is builtin. but no new OF firmwares expected for them. |
| 19:36:07 | domonoky | bertrik: ah, the encyption keys. theoretically we could also make them downloadable, if we expect many new OF firmwares for them .. |
| 19:36:12 | kugel | pixelma: I have a fix for the color choose & statusbar problem |
| 19:36:39 | pixelma | nice, want a tester? |
| 19:36:40 | kugel | however, there's a similar issue when changing themes |
| 19:37:11 | kugel | fixing that basically needs refreshing the list view before the "Theme loaded" splash appears |
| 19:37:32 | kugel | that's part of my customlist patch anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a problem |
| 19:37:33 | funman | kugel: i don't think we can know currently installed OF |
| 19:37:35 | domonoky | kugel: if you find a way to extract the AMS OF, without already installed rockbox, sure :-) |
| 19:37:54 | bertrik | funman, I'm running my clip keyscan patch for a few days now and haven't seen any problems yet (but I usually don't do very demanding stuff with buttons either) |
| 19:38:06 | pixelma | kugel: and another thing that I would have to test though - on the c200 display the preview rectangle is gone, I think it was there at some point in time, not a 100% sure though and don't know when it's gone then |
| 19:38:17 | kugel | well, it should be written somewhere in the weird "firmware partition", shouldn't it? |
| 19:38:21 | funman | bertrik: when fs#10048 is in svn i'll proof-test it :) |
| 19:38:32 | kugel | I have no idea if it's feasable, I was just wondering if it's possible |
| 19:38:43 | domonoky | kugel: you dont have access to that via USB.. |
| 19:38:52 | kugel | ah right |
| 19:39:06 | funman | not even via rockbox |
| 19:39:30 | domonoky | rockbox could access it. but then its already installed :-) |
| 19:39:32 | bertrik | oh, we're no longer using -mlong-calls for ams sansa? |
| 19:39:49 | kugel | right |
| 19:40:18 | kugel | pixelma: is showing the new theme just before the theme loaded splash OK? I'd think so |
| 19:40:33 | kugel | that splash is annyoing anyway, and I plan to make it cancable |
| 19:40:49 | funman | bertrik: no, because the IRAM is mapped just next to DRAM (= accessible via a short call) |
| 19:40:56 | kugel | cancelable* |
| 19:41:08 | funman | saratoga: do you still have a fuze? |
| 19:41:24 | bertrik | very nice |
| 19:41:34 | * | kugel hands funman a pencil and peace of paper to finally write down who has which target :) |
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| 19:42:37 | funman | bertrik: and -mlong-calls has never been needed in the bootloader (it only accesses IRAM - or DRAM for (not in svn yet) clipv2 - ) |
| 19:42:58 | pixelma | kugel: wouldn't it make the splash redundant, I mean if you already see the new theme? |
| 19:43:18 | kugel | no |
| 19:43:44 | pixelma | the splash has the advantage that it can be "spoken" though |
| 19:43:58 | kugel | the same splash is used for any config, i.e. those which don't change the appearance at all too |
| 19:44:16 | kugel | the voice thing too, indeed |
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| 19:44:57 | kugel | redrawing the before the splash makes it look faster too |
| 19:45:27 | kugel | now it seems it would load while the splash is active, which is not true at all, the splash is prolonging by a whole second |
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| 19:47:14 | saratoga | funman: I do but its a 4GB |
| 19:47:30 | kugel | JdGordon|: I have a patch for the cancalable splashes, can you look at it so we can get it in after the freeze? |
| 19:47:56 | JdGordon| | yes, but not now... |
| 19:48:15 | funman | saratoga: i wonder if you can see any difference between the scrollwheels of e200v2 and fuze (FS #10284 - e200v2: make button driver more equal to fuze) |
| 19:49:00 | kugel | JdGordon|: sure, I'll upload it to fs |
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| 19:50:22 | saratoga | funman: what should I be looking for? |
| 19:50:44 | funman | saratoga: i don't really know .. i'd say only responsiveness could change |
| 19:50:53 | kugel | funman: I'll look at unifying later, I'm familiar with those |
| 19:51:00 | saratoga | i'll try it out tonight |
| 19:51:49 | funman | kugel: i thought unifying the button driver could be made instead of putting work in this FS# |
| 19:51:55 | kugel | the main difference is that the scrollwheel can't be read on the e200v2 during lcd updates, while the Fuze's can, the e200c2 needs a bit of special handling |
| 19:52:22 | kugel | the work is done, it's ready to commit it seems |
| 19:52:33 | kugel | unifying isn't critical imo |
| 19:52:40 | AlexP | rasher: Do you have a sec? |
| 19:52:54 | kugel | (by the means that this patch can be committed before unifying) |
| 19:53:17 | funman | kugel: ok |
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| 19:57:04 | bluebrother | has there been any discussion about the beast being a 3.3 target? |
| 19:58:17 | pixelma | I thought the install method was still a deal breaker |
| 19:59:14 | bluebrother | yes, plus some issues with the singleboot bootloader. At least from my point of view ... |
| 19:59:23 | bluebrother | we're currently in freeze, right? |
| 19:59:45 | AlexP | yup |
| 20:00 |
| 20:00:15 | pixelma | see topic ;) |
| 20:00:35 | bluebrother | oh. Seems I'm a bit uninformed these days :o |
| 20:00:54 | bluebrother | well, I'll assume beastpatcher not being frozen. Anyone screaming? |
| 20:01:05 | AlexP | nup |
| 20:01:07 | AlexP | :) |
| 20:01:22 | bluebrother | shouldn't hurt as it isn't finished anyway. |
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| 20:02:54 | CIA-38 | New commit by rasher (r21220): Used the wrong patch from FS #10062. |
| 20:04:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 20:04:13 | CIA-38 | New commit by bluebrother (r21221): Major W32 beastpatcher rework (FS #10220). ... |
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| 20:12:00 | bluebrother | does anyone know if sansapatcher is supposed to work with firmware version 01.02.18a? (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21838) |
| 20:12:41 | saratoga | it shouldn't matter |
| 20:12:50 | AlexP | why not? |
| 20:13:06 | AlexP | I thought sansapatcher checked stuff (technical I know) |
| 20:13:25 | saratoga | i don't think the OF version matters, we don't even need it anymore |
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| 20:17:29 | bluebrother | that's the point of the question: does sansapatcher recognize that OF version? Or is that somewhat different and would result in a "no sansa found" issue? |
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| 20:25:50 | domonoky | bluebrother: pretty unlikely. the key isnt need to detect the sansa (sansa_scan). only for patching. |
| 20:26:02 | bluebrother | ok |
| 20:26:23 | bluebrother | then someone else needs to come up with an idea why it doesn't find the sansa in that case. |
| 20:26:33 | anigav | what kind of setup do you need to compile rockbox? |
| 20:26:36 | bluebrother | can't see anything wrong |
| 20:26:56 | bluebrother | anigav: easiest is linux, or you can use cygwin |
| 20:27:05 | AlexP | or a linux VM |
| 20:27:12 | bluebrother | that's linux too :) |
| 20:27:17 | saratoga | since when is lack of a beastpatcher on OSX for the gigabeat a show stopper? |
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| 20:27:27 | anigav | yeah I got a quad core linux box with 8GB ram sitting around here, will that do? |
| 20:27:34 | bluebrother | sure. |
| 20:27:43 | anigav | alright |
| 20:27:45 | saratoga | make it a build a server |
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| 20:27:56 | saratoga | builds take too long |
| 20:28:21 | anigav | do you need a special toolchain or can you install it directly from debian packages? |
| 20:28:29 | bluebrother | anigav: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide |
| 20:28:55 | AlexP | anigav: un rockboxdev.sh in the tools directory of the source and it'll set it up for you |
| 20:28:57 | AlexP | *run |
| 20:28:58 | bluebrother | does debian provide packages for gcc crosscompilers btw? |
| 20:29:18 | AlexP | dunno, but especially with the patches we apply I doubt it |
| 20:29:37 | kugel | bluebrother: I think so, but if, then surely not the versions we recomment |
| 20:29:42 | kugel | recommend* |
| 20:29:50 | bluebrother | I'd rather think if they package it they have newer versions. |
| 20:30:31 | anigav | bluebrother, at least for avr it does |
| 20:31:06 | bluebrother | anigav: well, fedora (which I use) provides avr-gcc too, but no arm-elf-gcc (or sh or m68k) so I wouldn't count from that. |
| 20:31:57 | bertrik | bluebrother, just out of curiosity, are you compiling anything with avr-gcc? |
| 20:32:16 | AlexP | anigav: I doubt it - look at the various requirements here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 20:32:28 | bluebrother | bertrik: yes and no. The latest avr stuff I did was on windows |
| 20:32:51 | bluebrother | planning to move that to linux but haven't done yet. |
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| 20:35:42 | rasher | AlexP: shoot |
| 20:35:44 | anigav | yeah I just found out debian has little else except avr-gcc |
| 20:35:53 | anigav | no big deal |
| 20:36:09 | AlexP | rasher: Could you have a look at my question here and let me know what you think? http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090528#18:37:31 |
| 20:36:28 | rasher | anigav: the crosscompilers are self-contained. You can decide where rockboxdev.sh installs them by setting a few env variables |
| 20:37:45 | rasher | AlexP: yes and yes |
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| 20:38:27 | AlexP | rasher: Thanks :) |
| 20:39:04 | AlexP | I'll commit it shortly then |
| 20:41:51 | kugel | AlexP: hurry (my rXXX to url plugin needs more tests :) ) |
| 20:42:01 | AlexP | hehe :) |
| 20:43:53 | anigav | I gota say this box really zips through the builds |
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| 20:44:57 | * | funman points rasher to r21038 - language string description only changed in english.lang |
| 20:47:05 | CIA-38 | New commit by alex (r21223): FS #10249 by Teruaki Kawashima - "Gigabeat F/X: fix wrong key in "Set Time/Date" screen". I was able to change most languages as they don't translate ... |
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| 20:52:24 | bertrik | funman, in GPIOC_PIN(2) |= (1<<2); the |= doesn't really do anything, right? |
| 20:53:56 | anigav | uhh ... that's the bitwise or assignment operator |
| 20:54:38 | bertrik | I mean |= as opposed to a simple = |
| 20:55:02 | anigav | yes it does ... it sets bit 2 and leaves the others alone |
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| 20:55:33 | * | gevaerts assumes that bertrik has a specific context in mind... |
| 20:56:16 | anigav | probably ... what does the GPIOC_PIN macro do? |
| 20:57:04 | domonoky | it expands to a specific GPIO register :-) |
| 20:59:59 | anigav | but the name suggests it addresses only a specific pin |
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| 21:00:24 | anigav | so you'd say something like GPIOC_PIN(2)=1; |
| 21:00:25 | bertrik | oh just forget my question :) |
| 21:00:32 | anigav | no. |
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| 21:04:08 | anigav | the toplevel makefile is in rockbox/tools, right? |
| 21:04:53 | anigav | nah that can't be |
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| 21:05:45 | domonoky | anigav: the main makefile is generated by configure :-) |
| 21:05:56 | anigav | yeah I just found the readme :P |
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| 21:13:49 | anigav | well the build took 2 minutes 55 seconds, that's not too bad |
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| 21:15:24 | gevaerts | that's *slow*! |
| 21:15:31 | anigav | what do you get? |
| 21:15:57 | anigav | I mean with everything clean |
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| 21:16:28 | AlexP | I don't see what showering has to do with it |
| 21:16:39 | gevaerts | what target? |
| 21:16:46 | anigav | ipod video |
| 21:16:50 | anigav | 64M RAM |
| 21:17:02 | Mikachu | gevaerts: presumably without ccache too |
| 21:17:17 | gevaerts | not using ccache is silly |
| 21:17:23 | anigav | that goes without saying |
| 21:17:39 | Mikachu | for a build server yes |
| 21:20:00 | anigav | lol I just saw that conky is using 2GB RAM :P |
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| 21:21:36 | * | gevaerts forgot that he has logs for this... |
| 21:21:39 | gevaerts | anigav: 83 seconds |
| 21:21:52 | anigav | real or user? |
| 21:22:00 | gevaerts | real |
| 21:22:14 | anigav | well mine takes 59 seconds real |
| 21:22:38 | anigav | after using -j 5 to load all 4 cores :P |
| 21:23:07 | gevaerts | using ccache for the same build the second time? |
| 21:23:24 | anigav | no, just make clean and then make -j 5 |
| 21:23:40 | anigav | the first time it used only one process :P |
| 21:23:40 | gevaerts | sure, but do you have ccache? |
| 21:23:48 | anigav | Isch don't think so |
| 21:24:13 | anigav | nope, the package wasn't even installed |
| 21:24:25 | * | gevaerts measures again |
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| 21:24:51 | anigav | my linux box > your linux box |
| 21:25:17 | anigav | and I have firefox and conky running in the background, going nuts, leaking memory, and using cpu cycles |
| 21:25:21 | saratoga | i get about 45 seconds on a quad 2GHz athlon |
| 21:25:46 | anigav | there ... are ... no quad athlons |
| 21:26:46 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i played around a bit with gcc on arm, with a test function that returns the value of a short that it's passed a pointer to. optimization off gets me the silliness with two shifts to sign-extend after ldrh, but from -O up gets me something much shorter: ldrsh r0, [r0]; bx lr; |
| 21:27:57 | gevaerts | 63 seconds. Maybe I really should start using all cores in this machine... |
| 21:27:59 | Unhelpful | the reason i'm looking at this is that i'm pretty sure some of the jpeg data could be kept as s16 instead of s32, which would save some space... wanted to see how much it might hurt code size and performance. |
| 21:28:08 | anigav | gevaerts: cpu? |
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| 21:29:20 | gevaerts | dual L5410, running xen |
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| 21:29:40 | gevaerts | anyway, this is getting far off topic.. |
| 21:29:59 | anigav | why? you want fast builds if you want to develop stuff |
| 21:30:02 | saratoga | anigav: sure there are you just need lots of sockets |
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| 21:30:18 | anigav | saratoga: for which target? |
| 21:30:31 | anigav | and from a clean build dir without ccache? |
| 21:32:14 | anigav | gevaerts, you should supply the -j option to make with the number of your cores +1, in your case -j 9 |
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| 21:32:43 | gevaerts | anigav: I know that... Also, I only use 5 cores on that VM |
| 21:33:03 | JdGordon| | num cores + 1 is a stupid myth like swap should be 1.5x ram |
| 21:33:24 | anigav | why? that way you get max. load on all cores |
| 21:33:30 | gevaerts | that too. It really depends on type of source and machine |
| 21:34:10 | anigav | well if the number is less than your number of cores you'll certainly not load them all |
| 21:34:21 | JdGordon| | well for one thing, do you *really* want to use the enitre cpu for the compile? what about the other stuff you have running? |
| 21:34:52 | anigav | you mean like sshd? :P seriously, there's nothing much on that box |
| 21:35:03 | Unhelpful | that depends on throughput of memory, disk, filesystem, etc. i've seen better times with -j > cores+1 |
| 21:35:21 | anigav | Unhelpful, that certainly makes sense |
| 21:35:40 | anigav | if a number of processes are always waiting for i/o |
| 21:35:50 | anigav | but that is unlikely if you have lots of RAM |
| 21:35:52 | Unhelpful | -pipe being something wonderful and magical is a myth as well, btw. :) |
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| 21:36:26 | kugel | FlynDice: haha |
| 21:36:34 | bertrik | funman, replacing |= by = when setting GPIO pins (like GPIOC_PIN(2) |= (1<<2)) should be safe, right? |
| 21:36:38 | JdGordon| | I have the rbclient set to -j6 (cores+2).. which bassically locks up the computer for the 10s or so the build lasts for |
| 21:36:41 | kugel | that was what I'm talking about (although I didn't have numbers) |
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| 21:37:06 | funman | bertrik: yes |
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| 21:37:53 | FlynDice | kugel: wasn't even close.... Had to look for about 30 minutes trying to see where I screwed it up, but I didn't! |
| 21:38:10 | kugel | I'm not really surprised |
| 21:38:34 | kugel | well, I didn't think of a 3h difference either, but I almost expected that the higher clocks give better runtime |
| 21:39:41 | anigav | gevaerts, did you manage to get better times? |
| 21:39:53 | kugel | FlynDice: so, what I'd find interesting would be a test with 248/62 boosted and 31/31 unboosted |
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| 21:41:07 | anigav | can you install additional rockbox plugins without reinstalling rockbox? |
| 21:41:23 | bertrik | hm, 15:41 h is quite nice for a target in development! |
| 21:41:24 | kugel | there are no additional plugins |
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| 21:41:34 | anigav | kugel: I'm writing one |
| 21:41:54 | kugel | then you compile it with rockbox, don't you? |
| 21:41:59 | anigav | yeah |
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| 21:42:35 | kugel | but yes, you can install the plugin.rock off the build folder to your player as long as it's plugin API compatible |
| 21:42:56 | anigav | alright, that's cool |
| 21:43:14 | FlynDice | kugel: What I did was 62/62 boosted, 31/31 unboosted. test_codec shows something like 32.6 MHz required for realtime in this config |
| 21:43:50 | FlynDice | I thought that had to be the low power winner... |
| 21:43:58 | kugel | hehe |
| 21:44:08 | Unhelpful | kugel: and built by the same person, it would seem. i sent gevaerts and LambdaCalculus37 some svn-based test plugins that failed horribly on their devices. |
| 21:44:37 | anigav | well you probably need the same compiler/lib versions |
| 21:44:37 | kugel | it probably required a plugin api bump? |
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| 21:46:04 | Unhelpful | kugel: it didn't involve API changes. it was an entirely self-contained plugin that used the pluginlib build of the scaler. only plugin API use was open/close/fdprintf and current_tick. |
| 21:48:34 | CIA-38 | New commit by bertrik (r21224): Sansa e200v2: use = instead of |= when setting GPIO level |
| 21:50:15 | kugel | Unhelpful: weird |
| 21:51:03 | kugel | Unhelpful: well, there's many #ifdeffing in the plugin_api struct, making the thing not very cross-target compatible |
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| 21:51:44 | Unhelpful | any thoughts on how i might trap things writing past the end of their buflib allocations? i can't just ask gdb to watch the entire contents of the buffer, obviously there are writes to it all the time :/ |
| 21:52:53 | amiconn | Unhelpful: -O0 is sillyness for any production code. But I've seen numerous silly things in gcc generated code at -O1 and higher, for all rockbox architectures (I don't know about mips yet) |
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| 21:55:01 | CIA-38 | New commit by bertrik (r21225): Sansa fuze: don't configure GPIO A7 in the LCD driver, this pin is used for fm radio |
| 21:55:35 | Unhelpful | anyway, i think i can take a column out of the IDCT function table, and make dequantization use single hardware multiplies exclusively on SH. that loop where you fixed the binsize gain on ARM could also be changed to just shift *all* quantization table entries, and it might even be faster if it did that as it wouldn't need to do the extra lookup to get the zig-zag order of each entry it changed. |
| 21:55:56 | kugel | bertrik: hmm |
| 21:56:13 | kugel | could that be the reason the radio worked on fuze, and not on the e200? |
| 21:56:36 | kugel | with FS #10048 |
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| 21:56:52 | sko | would be interesting... |
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| 21:57:03 | bertrik | I wondered about that too, but funman tried this out on his fuze already and it didn't make a difference |
| 21:57:23 | Unhelpful | the reason i'm playing with sign-extended loads is because the quantization table could also be made s16 on all targets... and i *think* the buffer used for IDCT as well. |
| 21:58:00 | kugel | someone should try it on his e200v2, and also if what the fuze does in button_init_device does make any difference on the e200v2 |
| 21:58:01 | bertrik | if others fuze owners now suddenly start complaining about the radio, we might be on to something :) |
| 21:58:49 | kugel | funman: how long till fs#10048 is in? :) |
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| 21:59:09 | CIA-38 | New commit by mcuelenaere (r21226): Update Dutch translation of RBUtility |
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| 22:00:05 | FlynDice | Has anyone else had problems compiling recent checkouts? I've been struggling all morning until I found I could just type make again and the compile would finish. Here's the error where compiling stops: http://pastie.org/504931 |
| 22:00:35 | * | bertrik says aye to committing the current version of fs#10048 |
| 22:01:21 | bertrik | FlynDice, perhaps a make dep would solve that, otherwise a make clean or make veryclean |
| 22:01:32 | * | FlynDice finally got a finished build to try ;) |
| 22:02:09 | FlynDice | How bout a brand spankin new checkout from SVN same problem |
| 22:02:43 | Mikachu | you might want to mention what target you're building for |
| 22:02:53 | saratoga | for what its worth i think i got the fastest rockbox builds with just make -j |
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| 22:03:12 | FlynDice | e200v2 |
| 22:03:17 | saratoga | also, my e200v2 is still playing without a lockup hours later |
| 22:03:32 | saratoga | i would say playback is quite stable |
| 22:06:06 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Btw, SH1 always sign-extends on load |
| 22:06:47 | amiconn | Otoh, coldfire needs a separate instruction. It doesn't extend at all on load |
| 22:06:50 | kugel | FlynDice: what problem? |
| 22:06:53 | kugel | radio? |
| 22:07:19 | funman | kugel: today if we get no problem reports |
| 22:07:28 | Unhelpful | amiconn: i was wondering, the coldfire manual was not really clear on what the top half of a register looked like after MOVE.W |
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| 22:08:02 | amiconn | Unhelpful: The top bits are kept (from previous content) |
| 22:08:14 | kugel | funman: today ends soonish, hurry up :P |
| 22:08:35 | amiconn | That gives a slight advantage when a loop needs to process zero-extended data |
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| 22:09:13 | amiconn | This allows to clear the whole register once, before the loop |
| 22:09:24 | Unhelpful | i see what you mean... i should probably make s16 quant tables and idct workspace !defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) then? |
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| 22:10:42 | amiconn | Depends. If gcc is clever enough to use muls.w, it can skip sign extension (unless the first op is something else than multiplication) |
| 22:11:43 | Unhelpful | hrm. dequant is multiply->store, so gcc *should* be ablet to figure it out, although we might need an explicitly 16x16->32 multiply instruction or macro for it to "get" it... |
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| 22:21:23 | funman | kugel: well perhaps not today since now my Fuze doesn't boot anymore |
| 22:21:31 | JdGordon| | Bagder: you see my patch to clean up bins.pl a bit and hopefully make releasing slighty better? |
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| 22:22:01 | kugel | funman: with the latest patch? |
| 22:22:09 | kugel | after bertrik's commit? |
| 22:22:26 | Bagder | no I didn't... will check |
| 22:22:46 | Unhelpful | the idct situation is a little different, though... the 1-point and 2-point idct never multiply, and none of them multiply the DC coefficient. |
| 22:23:50 | JdGordon| | Bagder: 10278 |
| 22:24:30 | funman | kugel: yes, reverting it does help.. let me see if it's a problem with the radio or not |
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| 22:26:31 | kugel | funman: works here, let me update the bootloader |
| 22:27:18 | bertrik | funman, I thought it was safe to commit because it seemed to work for you initially |
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| 22:28:35 | funman | it worked when i last tested it, not anymore with svn |
| 22:29:06 | funman | if i revert r21225 or make fmradio_i2c_* return 0 my fuze boots |
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| 22:32:33 | kugel | (for the logs) works fine on my fuze including radio |
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| 22:33:20 | kugel | FlynDice: can you test if copying button_init_device from the fuze helps for the radio (and maybe also check if it makes scrollwheel reading possible if lcd_button_support fails as it works on the fuze) |
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| 22:36:10 | Unhelpful | does jpeg require that component 0 always use quant table 0? in that case we can skip looping over the quant tables in fix_quant_tables entirely. |
| 22:37:08 | Bagder | JdGordon: I like it! |
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| 22:39:56 | * | low_light does the sa9200 touchpad happy dance |
| 22:40:02 | low_light | Philips sa9200 |
| 22:40:05 | low_light | finally working |
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| 22:40:27 | kugel | nice |
| 22:40:35 | FrankTM | kugel: do you need something tested on a fuze? |
| 22:40:45 | kugel | no, I have one myself :) |
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| 22:40:54 | FrankTM | ah. alrighty |
| 22:41:03 | FrankTM | thought you were asking for that :p |
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| 22:42:36 | Unhelpful | hrm, jpeg also stores only the difference for the DC value from block to block, so that the DC value will be having addition done on it. but i guess if the result is stored with MOVE.W that would not need an explicit sign extension? |
| 22:43:06 | sko | I have a first try of unifying ready... works on my e200v2 but tons of #ifdefs -.- http://pastebin.com/m24ab836 |
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| 22:44:41 | Unhelpful | i think the size of the stored quant table can be cut in half pretty much for free. the IDCT table can have this done as well, but on coldfire it will cost an explicit sign extension for the DC coefficient in all IDCT functions, and possibly for a few other values. :/ |
| 22:44:45 | JdGordon| | Bagder: :) do you want to take over it? the remiang part depends on how much you want to automate the whole thing |
| 22:45:24 | Bagder | I've wanted it to become a single command line to build everything for a specific release |
| 22:45:36 | kugel | sko: looks good. I was thinking if WHEEL_REPEAT_INTERVAL could be the same for both |
| 22:45:51 | kugel | I tried HZ/4 on my fuze but found HZ/5 better |
| 22:46:48 | sko | hmm... ok, i'll try HZ/5 on my e200v2 |
| 22:47:31 | funman | sko: by the way you can remove one endif (line 496 of patch) by not including the correspnding '{' in a conditional |
| 22:48:07 | funman | kugel: my fuze doesn't boot if i undo the modification to system-arm.c |
| 22:49:42 | sko | funman: so curly brackets are allowed without "if" or something? |
| 22:49:50 | kugel | yes |
| 22:49:57 | sko | ok |
| 22:50:15 | kugel | they mark a new block which is important for name space of variables, but doesn't apply here |
| 22:50:56 | kugel | you could f.e. override _dbop_din if you declared another with within the curly brackets |
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| 22:53:57 | funman | that's the same symptom i had with the penultimate fs#10048 patch, but on the clip it boots fine |
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| 22:54:14 | kugel | hat's? |
| 22:54:37 | kugel | type of yours, or a bug of my parser? |
| 22:54:41 | kugel | typo* |
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| 22:54:44 | funman | rockbox is stuck on the logo screen, backlight still goes off after a delay |
| 22:55:12 | funman | kugel: i really typed "that's" |
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| 22:55:49 | funman | the consequence would be a changed alignement of some critical parts of the code, but where, and why does it harm are still mysteries. |
| 22:56:21 | kugel | i thought reverting bertrik's commit helps |
| 22:56:32 | kugel | maybe that's needed like the dcdc on some clips |
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| 22:58:27 | funman | yeah with system-arm.c unmodified and bertrik's commit reverted my fuze boots |
| 22:58:44 | funman | but then the next random commit will break my fuze again |
| 22:58:50 | kugel | why |
| 22:59:11 | funman | because a random modification (of functions never called in system-arm.c) broke it |
| 22:59:26 | kugel | do you think the plain binsize change broke it? |
| 22:59:52 | kugel | so leaving bertrik's commit in, only reverting system-arm.c makes it boot again too? |
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| 23:00:01 | kugel | maybe it's a filesystem issue :? |
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| 23:05:48 | funman | hum fsck.vfat corrected the filesystem (both fat differed) but it still doesn't boot |
| 23:06:25 | kugel | fsck.vfat never worked well on my fuze |
| 23:07:26 | Mikachu | every time i've run fsck.vfat on my ipod and it found errors, it still found errors on the next run, usually have to run it twice or thrice |
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| 23:08:15 | FrankTM | seems like a corrupt disk |
| 23:08:37 | Bagder | no, fsck.vfat simply isn't good enough |
| 23:08:50 | FrankTM | or that :p |
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| 23:21:02 | kugel | funman: just try reformating |
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| 23:21:50 | kugel | fsck.vfat is mostly crap |
| 23:22:48 | Bagder | yeah, a fresh mkfs is often faster/easier |
| 23:23:17 | * | Mikachu has a complete backup of his huge 2GB ipod nano disk on his computer |
| 23:23:25 | kugel | wow |
| 23:23:28 | bertrik | funman, the symptom I had on my clip when it didn't work was that it booted fine but gave data aborts on starting a codec |
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| 23:23:29 | * | amiconn wonders whether windows chkdsk works better than fsck.vfat |
| 23:23:44 | Bagder | amiconn: in my experience, it does |
| 23:24:07 | kugel | impressive, 2GB, don't you need raid 224 for that? :) |
| 23:24:07 | Mikachu | kugel: ;) |
| 23:24:07 | kugel | chkdsk always works for me |
| 23:24:31 | kugel | by the means that the FS is in a working state again, not that the all the data is rescued, of course |
| 23:24:37 | funman | bertrik: i noticed the same, and identified memory corruption by looking at the address content reported by rockbox and the same address in rockbox.elf |
| 23:26:16 | kugel | this not-booting is what I regularly see on my clip |
| 23:26:28 | funman | kugel: with fs#10048 ? |
| 23:26:39 | bertrik | at first I thought it was perhaps because of changes in configure / compiler flags, could it also be that ccache gets confused when compiler flags change? |
| 23:26:39 | kugel | no, in general |
| 23:26:40 | funman | by the way the fuze boots after a reformatting |
| 23:27:06 | kugel | my clip's FS is always borked after a few minutes of using |
| 23:27:26 | kugel | bertrik: that's also possible |
| 23:27:45 | kugel | I remember when I tried to make mp3 play with activating IRAM |
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| 23:29:09 | kugel_ | codecs didn't work for me, but when funman managed it, it turned out that the deps or something didn't manage that (i,e, rm -fr * in the build dir would've solved my codec issues and we had mp3 playback a month earlier) |
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| 23:38:22 | kugel | funman: so it can go in? |
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| 23:39:48 | funman | i still don't know - if the same (perhaps corrupted, perhaps not) filesystem let rockbox boot or not depending on a random modification, that's still soemthing weird |
| 23:42:14 | kugel | I have no issues |
| 23:42:28 | kugel | at least not more than with what's in SVN |
| 23:42:55 | kugel | I'd definitely say go for it, so that we can receive better testing and tweaking with code in SVN |
| 23:44:25 | funman | if my case is isolated then it's ok, since the majority of developers can continue working |
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| 23:50:26 | kugel | funman: we can't tell if the FS was really causing it or not. It was defintily corrupted, which makes behavior generally unpredictable |
| 23:52:34 | funman | whatever a wider audience testing the code will help us to fix problems |
| 23:52:51 | kugel | indeed |
| 23:54:02 | mt | Good evening everyone. Could someone give me some pointers on on-target debugging ? |
| 23:54:37 | Bagder | mt: splashes, usb-serial, logf... |
| 23:56:04 | mt | usb-serial for an arm target ? (sansa e200 is what I have) |
| 23:56:30 | Bagder | I've not used it myself, but I hear it should work |
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| 23:58:15 | mt | Bagder : for logf, iirc I should #define LOGF_ENABLE then #include logf.h in the file where I want to use it, then build a debug build, right ? |
| 23:58:30 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:58:33 | saratoga | mt: you should consider using the IMDCT library in rockbox |
| 23:58:36 | saratoga | its a trivial change |
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