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#rockbox log for 2009-06-11

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00:03:54pixelmaI just tested RbUtil a bit after reading the forums. I also see the "error 404" when hitting the "download" button in the manual tab (the "live" options, reading the PDF and open the HTML in the browser seem to be ok). And I wonder why it wants to save the downloaded files in the root of my player and doesn't let me specify it
00:04:57pixelmamaybe there's reasoning behind that which I just can't see currently
00:06:25pixelmacan I help tracing down the error? (bluebrother, domonoky)
00:06:56bluebrotherpixelma: lemme check if I can reproduce it (I really need to get the user trace finished)
00:07:11domonokypixelma: which target ?
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00:07:21*pixelma also spotted a small typo in the german "first installation" dialog box
00:07:24pixelmac200
00:08:01pixelmasomewhere in that sentence there is a "...umd das.."
00:09:02pixelmaI mean the dialog box when first opening the Utility, not installing Rockbox
00:10:04bluebrotherhmm, c200 manual downloads fine for me, both pdf and html
00:10:07domonokydownloading the c200 manual works fine for me.
00:10:56pixelmamaybe one of the download servers then?
00:11:25domonokybut the manual for h120 doesnt work ! (manual is named manual-h100)
00:12:41domonokymanual for ipodmini1g also doesnt work. again naming issue.
00:13:05pixelmaoh forgot to mention - tested version 1.2 and 1.2.1 on XP
00:14:04domonokyand there is more: iaudiom3, no manual available ?
00:15:17pixelmano. No manual available for the M3 (if I could only find out how to make the button tables have different amount of columns)
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00:16:41pixelmamore or less "dynamically", without to much effort so that the code stays maintainable
00:16:59notlisteningto make rbutil do i need qt4-dev-tools?
00:17:53pixelmadomonoky, bluebrother: I also tested with my OndioFM and still get 404 when trying to download the manual
00:18:33notlisteningI tried the e200 voice files and got a 505 error also not sure if that is related?
00:18:36*bluebrother curses the naming mess
00:18:42bluebrotherwe really need to clean that up
00:18:49notlistening*404
00:19:18bluebrotherpossible but not necessarily.
00:19:59bluebrotherthough I think it's likely
00:20:00*domonoky tested again with the release binarys (instead of svn) and also get 404
00:20:22notlisteningwell i will keep trying it and report as i go ;)
00:20:27bluebrotherdomonoky: still c200?
00:20:41domonokyyes, also others..
00:20:52pixelmadomonoky, bluebrother: I just saw that the Utility tells me "couldn't download -20090610.zip", so without the target string part
00:21:10bluebrotherc200 stable just worked for me.
00:21:22pixelmaerr... "downloading -20090610.zip"
00:21:34pixelmaand then the error message of course
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00:22:33bluebrotherstrange.
00:22:49bluebrotherhmm, maybe it didn't finish downloading the build info?
00:22:52domonokyvoice download is also broken because of the naming issue. (and its still broken in svn)
00:22:55pixelma(translated back from memory and missing some parts) but the point was that there is no target string
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00:25:07pixelmaand the "detecting" box doesn't tell me which target it found, only the drive letter, but it is correctly displayed as "chosen target"
00:26:00bluebrotherdetecting box doesn't tell about the target?
00:26:12notlisteningusb.h: No such file or directory on amke just tried getting libusb but have a few versions any ideas?
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00:26:19pixelmathought it would highlight the one it found
00:26:37bluebrothernotlistening: you need the development package for libusb
00:26:55notlisteningtried that umm ;) i sec
00:27:09bluebrotherit does, but on windows it's hard to spot (it's hilighted in grey, not blue with the default windows theme)
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00:27:16bluebrotherwhich is a bit awkward.
00:27:45notlisteningahh tell a lie i did not aaply my changes ;)
00:27:45pixelmaoh, it does shortly but then goes back to the normal list, maybe I was just expecting something else
00:29:08pixelmashould the target be displayed behind the drive letter then?
00:29:43pixelmaafter autodetection or when I chose one from the list
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00:32:11notlisteningbluebrother, without using windows can i build a windows veriosn of rbutil?
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00:35:30bluebrothernotlistening: in theory yes, but you need a cross-compiler plus a cross-compiled Qt
00:35:49bluebrotherI've never done that myself though it's on my todo. Somewhere near the bottom though :)
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00:39:46notlisteninglol cygwin it is then
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01:25:34kugelJdGordon|: why are you surprised?
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01:29:25notlisteninghow can i get more debg infor from rbutil when i am running it wuth a commandline based speech synth?
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01:35:28JdGordon|kugel: did you get any other feedback testing apart from that comment from me which obviously was no more than a first glance ok?
01:36:42kugelJdGordon|: martin ritter's comment, and the fact that I just can't reproduce it anymore (tried so for ~30 min on all of my targets)
01:37:04JdGordon|yes, but what about other problems it might cause?
01:37:24kugelI haven't noticed problems
01:37:34JdGordon|so? doesnt mean there arnt any
01:38:01JdGordon|playback is a bit too important/big to just commit a quick fix without fully making sure its safe
01:38:19kugelI'm quite confident the fix is proper, I'll take all blame if it isn't
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01:39:23kugeltrying to reproduce it for 30min and using the player in every day use for 2 days without any problems is pretty much making sure imo.
01:39:58kugelevery day use is to listen to music whenever I get the chance to it, some hours each day
01:40:23JdGordon|thats not testing at all....
01:41:18kugelso have you tested it?
01:41:28JdGordon|no, i never said i did thouhg
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01:41:44JdGordon|you have to go through the code and make sure there are no side effects of the change
01:41:55kugelno, but you open the bug report and apparently don't care about the fix for a few days, but then blame someone who commits it
01:42:04kugelI did....
01:42:31*JdGordon| appologises for... hang on no i dont.... dont care and have other shit that has to get done....
01:42:38JdGordon|+ are completly different
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01:44:15kugelIMO this is a major bug which should be fixed until the release. and the fix will get better testing in SVN
01:44:38JdGordon|you understand that the release is supposed to be stable right?
01:44:45kugelexactly my reasoning
01:45:01JdGordon|which means you dont put in possibly dodgey fixes for an issue which is known
01:45:10JdGordon|and not dangerous
01:45:21kugelit's not a dodgey fix at all
01:46:00JdGordon|if you are going to selectivly read my messages I'm going to go back to paid work..
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01:52:09Chestetahey have there been any rmaa tests for the e200v2?
01:52:25Chestetalike in the of or rockbox....
01:52:53JdGordon|if there are they are problably in the wiki
01:53:22Chestetaok, ive been googlin' for 20 mins now with no luck :(
01:54:03JdGordon|thats probably a no...
01:54:07JdGordon|also... try bing :D
01:54:12Chestetajust did ;)
01:54:19JdGordon|good man
01:54:37Chestetai like their layout and how you dont have to go the site to look at stuff; plus you just keep scrollin rather than clickin next.... wish google would adopt that
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01:55:31Chestetawell i guess you have to go the page but it 'pops out' when you mouse over it...
01:57:28LloreanThis is all rather off-topic for here.
01:57:56Chestetayeah, sorry :)
01:58:19Chestetaim done with my search engine talk now
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02:05:55mc2739FS #10171 can be closed - this bug was fixed with r20812
02:06:21notlisteningSAPI & rbuntil in linux work :D
02:06:31notlistening*works
02:07:09notlisteningeven if it is dead slow, lol
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02:59:13FlynDicebertrik: (for the logs) I tried the delays you suggested and they did not help. I tried them each separately and then together with no luck. I also tried sleep(3*HZ/2); here's the diff: http://pastie.org/507934
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03:06:41Ferrari12508hey
03:07:46cool_walking_what?
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03:14:05froggymanis it currently possible to have a set font for the WPS and have a seperate font for the menus and viewers?
03:14:48LloreanNo.
03:15:08LloreanUnless you want the WPS to use the system font. In the WPS you can choose to use the system font or the user font, menus are always the user font.
03:16:01froggymanhow would you set a system font?
03:16:12LloreanYou can't set it.
03:16:28LloreanIt's the builtin font.
03:17:01froggymani meant "can it be changed, if so how might I do that"
03:17:17LloreanCompile Rockbox with a different font compiled in.
03:18:29froggymanok; thanks I'll give it a try
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03:20:50Ferrari12508Hello, I was just wondering if rockboy still ran gameboy color games slowly?
03:20:57LloreanYes.
03:21:07LloreanNobody has really worked in the gameboy emulator in a long time.
03:21:21Ferrari12508Darn, thanks for th answer though
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03:23:14froggymanLlorean, where would I find the bullitin font so I can change it to my desired font?
03:23:29LloreanRead the source code, I guess.
03:23:44froggymanohh, ok
03:30:08*froggyman cant seem to find the bulitin font...
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03:31:08Unhelpfulwhy exactly do you need to change the builtin?
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03:32:02Unhelpfulah. this sounds more like a case for multifont than configurable system font.
03:32:06LloreanYeah
03:32:16froggymanwell, I want one font for viewing text but the one I prefer for that doesnt work well with most WPSs
03:32:25froggymanso yeah multifont
03:33:24LloreanThe problem with multifont is that the current patch for it works, but isn't done the right way.
03:33:56LloreanThat usually results in "the people who want the feature are generally satisfied to use the patch, the people who want to see it included but don't use the feature aren't really interested in rewriting the whole thing"
03:35:08froggymanare you refering to FS #9898 then?
03:35:34LloreanNo
03:36:11Llorean4733
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04:16:32|StanG|Is there a way to turn on verbose errors with the Rockbox Utility?
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04:19:02LloreanWhat kind of problem are you experiencing?
04:19:39|StanG|zlib library error
04:19:51LloreanThat probably means you don't have enough space free.
04:19:59|StanG|theres nothing on it
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04:20:09|StanG|20gb 4th gen greyscale ipod
04:20:24MariTrunkhey all
04:20:50MariTrunkjust found out about rockbox online today as I was really pissed off from iTunes
04:21:18MariTrunkI just have few questions
04:21:20Llorean|StanG|: And everything else about it is normal? The original firmware works fine?
04:21:37|StanG|yes
04:21:51LloreanIt's not mounted read-only?
04:22:05MariTrunkdoes rockbox support drag and drop files/folders from windows explorer or do I have to use another program to copy mp3s?
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04:22:22LloreanMariTrunk: Rockbox doesn't care how your files get on the player.
04:22:43|StanG|not that im aware of, let me try to put a file on it just to check
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04:23:53MariTrunkLlorean: so if I have installed rockbox, I can just connect the usb cable and it should open a folder will all my files and I can drag and drop new files, as well has copy them back to the PC from my ipod?
04:24:09LloreanMariTrunk: Whether a folder opens up depends on how your computer's set up.
04:24:25LloreanIt'll work just like an external hard disk.
04:24:57MariTrunkawesome
04:25:26MariTrunkanother question: is the rockbox firmware as fast as the ipod firmware? and is as easy to use?
04:26:10LloreanI don't even know what you mean by "fast"
04:26:32LloreanAnd "easy to use" depends entirely on your own expectations. I'd suggest reading the manual and learning about it.
04:28:15MariTrunkfast meaning, scrolling is fast, no lagging... not like click a button and 5 secs later something happens. My sister had Philips GoGear and the UI was so crappy and slow....
04:28:49LloreanIt's generally pretty fast, yes.
04:32:16MariTrunkis there a way to customize it so that it looks exactly like the ipod firmware but still allows me to drag and drop files to and from my PC without using iTunes?
04:32:36LloreanThere's no simple way to do that, no.
04:32:58LloreanYou can customize it to look similar, but Rockbox has a lot of unique options, so there's a lot more there than there would be in the Apple firmware.
04:33:12LloreanPlease, if you have questions about available options or features, start by reading the manual.
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04:35:31MariTrunkis there an FAQ on how to customize the look?
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04:36:24LloreanThere are pages in the wiki describing how to write WPSes, yes.
04:36:24cool_walking_MariTrunk: The CustomWPS wiki page. There are some pre-made themes on http://themes.rockbox.org
04:38:44MariTrunkI was hoping there might be an ipod theme lol
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04:40:48LloreanWe can't host an iPod theme. Duplicating the iPod interface would require using graphics copyright Apple.
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04:47:47MariTrunkfound it :)
04:47:49MariTrunkhttp://www.ipodthemeworld.com/iPod/download/rockbox-WPS-ipod-photo/iPod_Color_Plus.aspx
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04:49:04Unhelpfulminor binsize/speed tweaks in jpeg decoder... should i be saving these for post-freez?
04:49:33LloreanProbably, yeah.
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04:50:23LloreanAt least, in my opinion it should only be fixes for bugs. Improvements / speedups / etc should probably wait unless there's no chance of side effects at all, not even a minor one.
04:50:30LloreanThough, that's my opinion.
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10:34:02fmlWhat are the opinions about closing FS #10171 ?
10:34:33fml(as requested by a user who tested it)
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10:43:10Mikachufml: looks like mcuelenaere closed it now
10:45:22linuxstbfml: Why did you ask? It looks straightforward (i.e. the user said it the bug he reported is now fixed)
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10:50:11fmllinuxstb: I asked because it has been requested here on IRC and there were no responses. But I have not tested it. And the user who said the bug doesn't exist anymore (in FS) is not the same person who reported the bug.
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10:52:43linuxstbfml: Ah yes, I didn't notice that - they do seem to be reporting slightly different things. So mcuelenaere's closing message is wrong...
10:53:25linuxstbfml: I guess it's fine to leave it closed though, and hopefully the task opener will request the task be re-opened if it's not fixed (or someone else will report the bug)
10:55:18fmllinuxstb: yes, the best task is a closed one!
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10:58:16MakuseruHas anyone had any problems with Ubuntu 9.04 recognizing Toshiba Gigabeats?
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10:59:24markunMakuseru: I had a problem with the Gigabeat in Ubuntu I think and had to change something related to libmtp
10:59:34MakuseruDo you know what it was?
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11:00:05MakuseruI just upgraded to 9.04 from 8.04 and now when i turn the gigabeat on while its on its dock( or if i just plug it in) it doesnt recognize it anymore.
11:00:36markunsounds like the same problem
11:00:39markunlet me google
11:00:52MakuseruAlright.
11:00:55MakuseruThanks.
11:01:21GodEaterwhich sort of gigabeat ?
11:01:42markunfor me it was my F40
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11:04:13markunMakuseru: I found this, but I don't think it was what I did: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/70100
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11:08:05tmztmarkun: that's still using libmtp?
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11:08:33Makuserumarkun: ok, i tried that. going to restart now to see if that did it.
11:08:43markuntmzt: maybe I'm mixing some things up. In that case you can just ignore me :)
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11:09:52tmztmarkun: just not sure what gigabeat normally uses, mtp or storage
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11:10:23tmztif it's libmtp that's likely the correct solution as ubuntu changed from usbdevfs to the new entries in /dev
11:10:33maxmarkun: Thank you very much. That did it.
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11:17:53psycho_maniacquick question, how do i actually use my player as a remote? just plug it in and hit play/pause? i have a gigabeat f40
11:18:28tmztpsycho_maniac: do you have that enabled in the source?
11:19:00psycho_maniacprobably not. it says you can do this on the site so i just updated rockbox
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11:20:58psycho_maniacso am i right in saying that this does work on a daily build?
11:22:28psycho_maniaci cant find anything on the wiki about this HID USB
11:22:41pixelmapsycho_maniac: it also depends on the application you want to control with it - and I'm not a 100% sure if the gigabeat F has it
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11:23:59Unhelpfuli believe it only sends keycodes for the various multimedia control keys. volume up and down work from my beast and e200, i've not played with the other controls.
11:25:19GodEaterI doubt the Gigabeat F has it - it doesn't run our USB stack
11:25:30GodEaterdoesn't it has an ATA bridge chip in it ?
11:25:34GodEaters/has/have
11:25:58psycho_maniacbut really all i have to do is just plug the thing in and i hit play/pause/ect?
11:26:00*pixelma deletes question - only saw a HID keymap added to the beast, not the F anyways
11:26:17GodEaterpsycho_maniac: please re-read what I said. It doesn't work on the Gigabeat F.
11:27:05psycho_maniacalright but if i had a player that did run your usb stack
11:27:27GodEaterpretty much yes
11:27:35GodEaterit's harder to use if you load in "charging only" mode
11:27:49GodEatersince then you can't use the controls directly on the player, you have to go via the debug menu
11:28:32*pixelma had to set up the keyboard shortcuts (assigning the multimedia buttons) in foobar2000
11:28:46GodEaterthey just "worked" for me in Winamp
11:28:53GodEaterdidn't have to set up anything
11:29:14psycho_maniachmm. i read you had to setup the multimedia keys on winamp but there usually now set up by default.
11:29:21pixelmajust to stress that it also depends on your setup, maybe there are also differences whether you are using a multimedia keyboard anyways or not
11:30:58psycho_maniacsucks gigabeat s wont be in rockbox 3.3 :(
11:31:43Unhelpfulit's easy enough to build from svn and get installed. i've been using it as my primary player for months.
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11:32:56psycho_maniacyeah, well i read somewhere that it was kinda a goal for 3.3 but i guess it must have to many bugs or something.
11:33:22psycho_maniac"It is hoped to include the Gigabeat S in the 3.3 release."
11:34:45markunGodEater: The Gigabeat F also has USB host and device controllers, but you can only use them through the dock (and our stack doesn't yet work on it)
11:36:39GodEatermarkun: so I was half right =/
11:37:36GodEaterpsycho_maniac: it's nothing to do with bugs
11:37:43GodEaterit's to do with how we distribute the bootloader
11:37:46GodEaterthere are licensing issues
11:38:24psycho_maniacillegal or legal issues?
11:40:00GodEaterthe issue is that the single bootloader (i.e. will only load Rockbox) only works on some devices it seems. The dual boot one (i.e. boots OF and Rockbox) is way more reliable, but relies on us distributing toshiba's code.
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11:40:56psycho_maniacahhh. who uses the OF anyways ;)
11:41:16GodEaterthe people who's beasts the single bootloader doesn't work on NEED it
11:41:19linuxstbpsycho_maniac: That's not the point - the problem is that the single-boot bootloader is unreliable...
11:41:46psycho_maniaci know that wasnt the point. i just wanted to say it.
11:45:36psycho_maniacis there a patch for this, "Increased battery life on some targets by preventing WPS from updating while backlight is off. " i remember reading about it on the tracker but i cant seem to find it. i wanna know if my player is supported.
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12:00:55GodEaterdoes anyone know what distro our release builds of rbutil are made on ?
12:05:40FrankTMisn't that build on multiple servers?
12:06:02*FrankTM uses ubuntu
12:06:19GodEaterno
12:06:26GodEaterrockbox is built on multiple servers
12:06:32GodEaterrbutil isn't part of the auto build system
12:06:47FrankTMah :P
12:07:19FrankTMi suppose a config.log is not provided?
12:07:54GodEaterdo you see one ?
12:09:40*Llorean wonders if there's some way we could setup RBUtil build servers.
12:09:51GodEatervery probably
12:09:58GodEaterbut there are distro differences to take into account
12:10:00GodEaterhence my question
12:10:09LloreanEven if we didn't post links to the bleeding edge builds, some way to make sure that when we want to make a new release version of it, we don't have to shop around asking if everyone's awake and around with the right environments
12:10:09GodEaterrbutilqt won't build on Ubuntu out of the box
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12:12:08GodEaterI'm trying to build a x64 version of 1.2.1
12:14:23*FrankTM fires up ubuntu
12:15:02GodEaterfor the record, building it is easy, building a statically linked version isn't. I wonder why we don't have a static target in the make file
12:16:50domonokyGodEater: bluebrother builds the windows and linux rbutil release binarys. maybe ask him what distro he uses :-)
12:17:07GodEaterdomonoky: cool, I'll do that
12:17:22linuxstbISTR he uses Red Hat/Fedora, but I could be very wrong...
12:17:30GodEaterI just noticed today that ubuntu requires you to use 'qmake-qt4' not merely 'qmake'
12:17:45GodEaterand also 'lsrelease-qt4' instead of 'lsrelease'
12:18:01domonokyGodEater: if you look at the rbutil dev wikipage, it mentions that :-)
12:18:16GodEaterah ok
12:18:17pixelmaI believe bluebrother uses Fedora
12:18:25GodEaterpoor fellow :)
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12:21:57domonokyautomated rbutil builds would be nice. but its a bit hard to get the neccessary servers. we would need linux-32bit, linux-64bit, windows and mac. All setup with the correct enviroment to build release binarys.
12:22:10GodEaterhard but not impossible
12:22:19domonokytrue
12:22:27GodEaterI'd be happy to set mine up as an x64 host
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12:23:22Lloreancan the windows binary be cross-compiled, or does it need cygwin?
12:23:34GodEaterno idea
12:23:40tmztx64 can be cross-compiled on 32 bit right?
12:24:35tmztLlorean: since it's c++ it might be an issue, although maybe not for static build
12:24:53domonokyLlorean: it doesnt need cygwin (building in cygwin doesnt even work). But dont know if crosscompiling works because of the depencies.
12:25:00LloreanAaah
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12:25:26tmztyeah, it's usually mingw32, but the ABI is different from visual c++
12:25:49domonokytmzt: its not visual c++, we use mingw32 on windows.
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12:26:25tmztso that's not an issue? I only know of this from the mozilla issues with flash
12:26:26pixelmabluebrother said something about cross-compiling a Windows version on Linux yesterday (or today), could be already in today's logs
12:27:20pixelmayes, around 00:35
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12:32:32*pixelma wonders about animated... PNGs... on the themes.rockbox.org e200 page
12:33:39UnhelpfulMNGs?
12:34:58Unhelpfulah, no, that APNG stuff.
12:35:41LloreanDoesn't the submit form say the image is just supposed to be the WPS screen?
12:36:12*Llorean votes someone with admin privileges take down those images, and tell the people to resubmit them properly.
12:36:27*Llorean admits a SLIGHT dislike for animated images on webpages in general.
12:36:59FrankTMburn them houses!
12:37:06UnhelpfulLlorean: Free-State.AMremix we might want to leave up, it actually *is* only showing the WPS.
12:37:51pixelmaIIRC you are allowed to upload 3 different images - two for the WPS (one used and an alternative one) and a menu screenshot - only the firstr is used currently though
12:38:25UnhelpfulZune v2 is just gratuitously displaying two different covers though (ok, and the menu)
12:38:26FrankTMare there more themes for fuzes somewhere?
12:38:27pixelmaI'm not sure but thought that the format PNG was chosen to prevent animated images
12:38:34LloreanUnhelpful: If it's only showing the WPS it's fair, though I still dislike animation.
12:39:23LloreanFrankTM: Use ones for a player with the same size screen from themes.rockbox.org. If you're not happy with the selection there, google and good luck.
12:39:24GodEaterI give up
12:39:31GodEaterI can't work out how to statically build rbutilqt
12:39:35pixelmaFrankTM: I believe the Fuze has a 220x176 colour screen so you can use the ones listed under Ipod Photo/Color (and H300 but those might contain WPSs for the remote)
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12:40:08FrankTMmaybe a stupid question, but what's meant by WPSs?
12:41:11GodEaterWhile Playing Screen
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12:47:14FrankTMah.
12:47:27FrankTMthose themes are plain ugly though :p
12:48:07GodEaterwhat a nice thing to say about people's hard work that they've submitted for free.
12:48:19FrankTMwell. in other words
12:48:22FrankTMi don't like them
12:48:40GodEateryou know what they say "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"
12:49:21FrankTMthat would be a rather weird world to live in
12:50:15GodEaterI'm just a little sick of hearing people complain about something they get for free
12:50:17FrankTMbut you're right, wasn't a nice thing to say
12:50:24FrankTMhey. i'm not complaining
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12:55:03FrankTMmeh. i'm just annoyed with myself today
12:55:09FrankTMignore what i said
12:57:09pixelmawell, you can always make a theme yourself
12:58:30FrankTMhehe. pretty sure those will be worse than those
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13:04:06*GodEater thinks we should offer a similar sort of service for customised TagNavi files as we do for themes. Thoughts ?
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13:14:08LloreanGodEater: Is there really that much that can be done with them?
13:14:22LloreanRather than put together a site, maybe a tagnavi customization tool might make more sense?
13:15:10GodEaterLlorean: I think it would be nice to at least have a place where people can collect them. I'm sure some people have done some interesting things with them, but without an easy way to share them it's hard to tell since we can't see them.
13:15:19LloreanI mean, I know they're immensely flexible, but I think outside of the standard range of things already in it, the majority of other filters one might add will be personal use cases.
13:15:37GodEaterperhaps so - but some of those cases might be shared by some people
13:16:01GodEaterI just think it might prove interesting
13:16:09LloreanWe could start with a poll as to how many people have modified tagnavi, and ask those that answer "yes" to summarize what they added/changed?
13:16:19GodEatersure, that's a good start
13:16:38LloreanGet some feedback at least. We might find some improvements we could incorporate into the default.
13:16:55GodEaterI was just looking at the few we have on the page in the wiki
13:17:09GodEaterand wondering why we don't include the "Full featured" one at the bottom as our default
13:17:13GodEaterit looks pretty swish
13:17:29LloreanWhat's the wiki page?
13:17:52GodEaterhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase
13:17:58GodEaterExample 4 is the one I'm referring to
13:18:21GodEaterit's bascule's effort
13:18:25GodEaterI know he's a huge fan :)
13:19:07LloreanDidn't he contribute the current tagnavi?
13:19:20*Llorean doesn't like the term "Rockbox Browser" as the menu title, but that's just a minor nitpick.
13:19:20pixelmafor some reason I think it became the default one now
13:19:20GodEaterI've no idea to be honest
13:19:42*Llorean doesn't want people calling the database "the browser" for example
13:20:02GodEaterwell clearly we could make some minor changes
13:20:19LloreanYes.
13:20:28*Llorean wishes once again we had clear licensing on the wiki.
13:20:39GodEaterpixelma: it doesn't look like we are using that one as the default
13:21:00GodEaterdoes anyone have an email address for bascule ?
13:21:03Llorean or rather, I wish the licensing was clearly permissive, rather than clearly not.
13:21:06LloreanI imagine I do.
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13:21:12GodEaterI've not seen / heard from him for a long time on the forusm
13:21:41GodEatershall I post the poll ?
13:21:47LloreanGo ahead.
13:21:52GodEaterand if so - where do you suggest ?
13:21:57GodEaterin the "Database" forum
13:22:02GodEateror somewhere more prompinent ?
13:23:11GodEaterand while I have your attention you two, could you please respond in the experts thread :)
13:23:17LloreanMay as well go with announcements. An official poll. "We're looking at refactoring Tagnavi and wanted to see how many people felt it was important to modify theirs, and if so, how"
13:23:45pondlifeI don't much like example 4 to be honest - too much text... what we need is a better way to #include multiple tagnavi trees without having them appear as "custom..."...
13:24:24pondlifeMaybe it shoudl auto-concatentate tagnavi.* into the root menu?
13:24:29pondlife(or something)
13:24:46GodEaterLlorean: I can't post polls in the annoucements section :)
13:25:02pondlifeDatabase or UI makes most sense
13:25:25GodEaterpondlife: do you actually *use* the database? :)
13:25:29pondlifeAll the time
13:25:32GodEaterwow
13:25:38GodEatera dev that uses it
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13:25:47pondlifeI wouldn't say I'm a dev ;)
13:25:57pixelmabesides Slasheri ;)
13:26:10GodEaterSlasheri only wakes up twice a year, he doesn't count ;D
13:26:10pondlifeIf you have lots of stuff, the file browser can be too slow.
13:26:38GodEaterI find the exact opposite tbh
13:26:44GodEaterbut that's why we have choices :)
13:26:57pondlifeI particularly use it for (1) Albums/<Random> (2) A-Z and (3) Same as current...
13:27:08pixelmaI think roolku uses it a bit more too (seeing he coded some stuff there) but haven't seen him since around last DevCon or so
13:27:13kugelGodEater: you were trying to build rbutil statically?
13:27:18GodEaterkugel: I was
13:27:20GodEaterand failing
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13:27:44kugelyou need to build Qt with the -static switch
13:27:52GodEaterI figured as much
13:28:00GodEatersuch a pain there isn't a static package to install
13:28:15kugelindeed
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13:29:15LloreanGodEater: Responded to the experts thread, PMed bascule.
13:29:25GodEaterawesome :D
13:29:40GodEaterI'm making the poll in 'DevCon' and will move it to Announcements
13:29:44GodEaterseems a neatish workaround
13:30:11LloreanGodEater: Did you try to post in announcements? Experts are supposed to be able to.
13:30:23LloreanAah
13:30:23GodEaterI can post, I can't make a new poll though
13:30:27LloreanFixed.
13:30:28GodEaterI only have a new topic button
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13:31:19kugeldo we want new rbutil release for 3.3?
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13:34:49pondlifeBy my reckoning we should be branching today - anyone know when this is likely to happen (or if I'm mistaken).?
13:35:49Lloreankugel: I guess for the logs. RButil releases generally aren't "for" Rockbox releases (or shouldn't be) but rather for when something is fixed/improved/added to rbutil that warrants a release. I think it was decided at some point to keep them more or less independent of Rockbox releases and on its own "when it seems needed" pattern.
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13:38:48gevaertshm yes, branching today... I still haven't looked at FS #9957 properly :\
13:38:53GodEaterhey Nico_P , long time no see!
13:39:34linuxstbpondlife: Whenever someone does it - it could be you!
13:39:59pondlifeheh, I wouldn't trust me if I were yoiu (or indeed me)
13:40:10pondlifewhich I guess I am
13:40:15GodEaterhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21892.0
13:40:31GodEateryou only guess ?
13:40:38GodEaterI'd see a therapist immediately
13:41:31GodEaterbtw - now that I'm in the Annoucements thread - Cassandra's post is somewhat out of date
13:41:35Nico_PGodEater: hi :)
13:41:35LloreanSo, USB for all swusb targets except iPods?
13:41:53GodEaterNico_P: I finally got a working iphone toolchain
13:41:59GodEaterwas thinking of you whilst I was working on it
13:43:18Nico_Pnice! are you going to be writing some apps?
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13:43:31gevaertsLlorean: I think so, yes. I'll try to have another look at FS #9957 tonight. If not, that can go into the release notes
13:44:03*Llorean is slightly disappointed, but that gives us time to see how many iPods explode with the charging patch before we make it "official"
13:44:03pondlifeGodEater: One can never be sure of such things, but that's way OT
13:44:17GodEaterthat's what the other channel is for :)
13:44:53GodEaterI need to keep up to date with FS more. I had no idea there was a charging patch.
13:45:08LloreanGodEater: It's attached as a comment to a "bug" task last I looked
13:45:15GodEaterI also need to get some lunch :)
13:45:25LloreanSo it's not been obvious
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14:01:46kugelNico_P: did you see my fix for FS #8999 and FS #10101? Any opinion?
14:03:05Nico_Pkugel: yep, I saw you fixed it, nice work :)
14:08:59Nico_Pkugel: and it looks correct to me, although I haven't worked with that code in some time. I trust that it fixes the problem and it doesn't look like it would cause any harm in other situations
14:09:31kugelNico_P: I tried hard to reproduce but couldn't (I could easily reproduce it before) so I'm fairly sure the fix is correct, but JdGordon seemed to have doubts
14:11:02kugelthat was my thinking too
14:18:13Nico_Pso it seems the beast won't make it into 3.3, will it?
14:19:04LloreanWe still need a reliable install. The single boot image doesn't work for all beasts, and I'm not even sure there's a way to identify in advance which ones it will fail on.
14:19:26LloreanIf it does fail, there's no easy way to recover them without an OF image (which, if we had readily available, would make dual-boot images no problem and negate the problem in the first place)
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14:21:03Nico_Pthat's unfortunate :(
14:21:14LloreanIt's a tough situation.
14:22:18CIA-37New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r21246): Set ZenUtils svn:ignore property properly
14:22:21Nico_Prbutil support would be nice at least, even if there's no stable release
14:22:57LloreanRBUtil support would be great, though we'd need a big red warning about how your device may be unrecoverable if you don't acquire an OF image first.
14:23:02kugelare we having a new rbutil release for 3.3?
14:23:13Lloreankugel: I left you a message in the logs about it when you asked earlier.
14:23:30LloreanRBUtil gets releases when RBUtil changes or gets fixed, they're not really in parallel with Rockbox releases.
14:23:32kugeloh, I thought it didn't come through
14:24:04LloreanI haven't heard anything specifically new (no new targets this time around) for a release. Except maybe if we build it on a newer QT it might fix the SAPI issues?
14:26:12Nico_Pthe SVN bot is a nice touch :)
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15:21:13webguest97We aaaaall want Rockbox for third Zune Generatioon !
15:21:42LloreanThen work on it.
15:21:51evilnick_7webguest97: Crack the encryption and it should help then
15:21:52LloreanIt's a community effort. If the people who want it don't work, it doesn't happen.
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15:22:26GodEaterthat's such a lie
15:22:31GodEaterI don't want it on the zune
15:23:04webguest97but I
15:23:10webguest97and I have an 120 gig
15:23:29webguest97if someone realese I can test it :D
15:23:46*pondlife is still waiting for Zune Linux...
15:23:49LloreanAs I said, quite clearly, it will never happen if people like you keep waiting for someone else to do it.
15:23:53webguest97yah
15:24:30webguest97but i don't know how to make it
15:24:40LambdaCalculus37Then learn.
15:25:04webguest97this will take years
15:25:13Llorean"Years" is sooner than "never"
15:25:39GodEateralso, every other port of Rockbox has taken years too - so it won't be any faster if "we" do it either
15:26:00webguest97hm. then I can earlier buy an Ipod classic and do Rockbox on it :D
15:26:10LloreanYou really have two choices. Do it, or don't. If you're not going to, that's really fine, but you don't need to bother anyone here about it. You've said "It would be neat to have it on my player" and that's really more than enough. Honest. We're quite aware that there are hundreds of MP3 players out there with owners who'd like to see them do more. The answer is the same to all of them.
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15:26:25scorcheexcept rockbox doesnt work on the classic either
15:26:33LambdaCalculus37Or the new nanos.
15:26:46webguest97okay
15:27:03GodEateror the shuffles
15:27:17LambdaCalculus37Or the Touch. Or the iPhone, for that matter.
15:27:33LambdaCalculus37Simply put... if it's not on the front page, it doesn't work with Rockbox.
15:27:50webguest97but I tought if someone planed to make it for the zune and didn't know if the people want it
15:28:01webguest97then I say : Yes! We want :D
15:28:12evilnick_7webguest97: If someone was that far then they'd do it for their own use anyway
15:28:17LambdaCalculus37webguest97: Right now, there are no plans to port to the Zune.
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15:28:26LambdaCalculus37There are no plans, period.
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15:29:49webguest97are there any open source media player softwares like rockbox ?
15:31:59GodEaternope
15:32:01GodEaterwe stand alone
15:32:28FrankTMhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=open+source+mp3+player
15:32:55webguest97okay. than i have to wait for an update by microsoft :D or the Zune HD
15:34:05LloreanGodEater: Well, there's similar project. OpenNeo (a Rockbox fork, though for slightly differently purposed hardware) and the s1mp3 project at least. And iPod/SansaLinux are, I guess, related?
15:34:13pondlifeOr dump the Zune... ;)
15:34:29GodEateris OpenNeo still running ?
15:34:43GodEatermight as well quote ZuneLinux then
15:34:44GodEater:D
15:35:05LloreanProbably not, but at least they have real code.
15:35:17Llorean Someone *could* pick it up and run with it.
15:36:55webguest97okay now
15:37:00webguest97i hate microsoft :D
15:37:09GodEaterwhy did you buy a zune then ?
15:37:20webguest97because i life in germany
15:37:27webguest97and everybody has an iPod
15:37:32webguest97and thats boring
15:37:35LambdaCalculus37webguest97: And you're veering into off-topic territory.
15:37:38*gevaerts spots Logic
15:37:40GodEaterwhat a non-sensical answer
15:37:51GodEatergevaerts: is that the thing running away over yonder ?
15:38:44webguest97yonder?
15:39:17GodEaterget a dictionary
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15:53:01webguest95moin
15:53:28webguest95gibts hier jemand der on ist und deutsch kann :D
15:53:40LloreanThis is an English channel, please.
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15:53:56webguest95ah ok,sry
15:54:19LloreanWe also ask that you use real words, and avoid things like "sry" where possible, to aid those using machine assistance of varying sorts.
15:54:35webguest95my english is not very good but mayby you can help me
15:55:09GodEaterlooks very good to me
15:56:01webguest97ich kann deutsch!
15:56:31webguest95i have a ipod mini 6 gb with the last rockbox. i`ve listen that it is possible to play gamboy gamse on it with rockbox
15:56:33webguest95ah
15:56:40webguest95doch ein deutscher XD
15:56:51LloreanPlease, stick to English.
15:57:07webguest95ok Llorean
15:57:39LloreanAs to gameboy games, the use of all Rockbox features is in the manual. It may be that gameboy games aren't yet supported on the mini, I'm not entirely certain.
15:58:21LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Rockboy isn't on the mini.
15:58:30webguest95i know
15:58:51webguest95ehm
15:59:19webguest95it is possible to put iboy into rockbox ?
15:59:31LloreanNo.
15:59:32LambdaCalculus37No. iBoy is part of iPodLinux.
15:59:51webguest95oh thats bad ...
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16:01:52webguest95it is impossible to play rockboy on the mini at this time
16:02:21LloreanIn Rockbox, yes.
16:02:55webguest95ok, it is possible that rockboy run on mini with rockbox in future
16:04:27LloreanPossible, yes. But it's impossible to know if, or when, somebody will work on it.
16:04:39webguest95ah ok
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16:06:40webguest95give it more rockbox games, doom and coubnterstrike allready< on my ipod but iv jut ply more games. racing or adventure.
16:06:48webguest95sry
16:06:52webguest95if just
16:07:01webguest95sorry
16:07:40webguest95omg my batterie of my keyboard are empty ^^
16:11:39webguest95am back
16:11:46webguest95with stron bateries XD
16:11:49webguest95g
16:12:06*LambdaCalculus37 takes away webguest95's Enter key
16:12:08webguest95give it a german irc channel from rockbox
16:14:36webguest95but what if must say to the rockbox firmware it is 100000000 percebt better than the appel firmware
16:14:44webguest95percent
16:15:07webguest95very BIG THANKS to the programmers
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16:18:26chrissXcrossife just change my nick XD
16:19:53chrissXcrossis here everybody comes from germany that can speak german
16:20:54chrissXcrossmy english is to bad to write ..... words are lost - . -
16:24:39chrissXcrossLlorean gave it a german rockbox irc channel
16:24:40chrissXcross?
16:25:23LloreanThis is the only official Rockbox support channel.
16:25:33chrissXcrossoh ok ...
16:25:37chrissXcrosshm
16:25:54chrissXcrosscann i write with a irc member german
16:26:02chrissXcrosswith pn
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16:26:24chrissXcrossor personalmessage
16:26:50chrissXcrossbecause in english i can write all the things if just think
16:27:32chrissXcrosswhen it isnt possible can you say me if is just can download more games form rockbox
16:27:49chrissXcrossother games as doom freedoom counterstrike ...
16:27:57LloreanWe include everything we have.
16:28:15LambdaCalculus37And don't ask us where to get more games. We're not touching that subject with a 50-foot pole.
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16:28:59chrissXcross50-foot pole. what did you mean with that
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16:29:24LloreanchrissXcross: It means finding other things is off topic here. Use google.
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16:34:41chrissXcrosshow can i just put more viewers into rockbox
16:35:45chrissXcrossfor example an gif viewer
16:36:18chrissXcrossmust i copie the *.rock file into the viewers folger ?
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16:36:44evilnick_7chrissXcross: You'd also have to code it
16:37:50chrissXcrossno but i would now how can i put an viewer into rockbox
16:38:13chrissXcrossbecause if jufst found an gif viewr for rockbox
16:39:10chrissXcrossor an plugin but i dont know how i can put in into rockbox
16:39:25LloreanYou have to compile a current version of Rockbox with that viewer.
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16:40:27chrissXcrossan how can i do this is there an tutorial on your rockbox site
16:40:36evilnick_7Yes, in the Wiki
16:41:18chrissXcrossoh ok thanks
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16:45:07chrissXcrossso i cant kopie the *#rock file into the viewers folder an use it
16:45:18chrissXcross*.rock
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16:46:19pixelmausually no, as it has to be made for your player and for the version of Rockbox you are running
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16:50:49chrissXcrossit is impossible to install ipodlinux and iboy an then to start iboy in rockbox
16:51:35r0b-whats iboy
16:52:12LambdaCalculus37r0b-: Ask in #ipodlinux.
16:52:56chrissXcrossits an gamboy emulator for ipodlinux
16:53:13markunfirst hit in google for me
16:53:39scorchechrissXcross: iboy is for ipodlinux as you have been told...rockbox is completely different...
16:53:51pixelmachrissXcross: you can't start iBoy from Rockbox, but you can have both Ipodlinux and Roxkbox at the same time BUT everything related to Ipolinux is off-topic here so you have to ask elsewhere (and for example, I know nothing about it, don't even have an Ipod)
16:53:53markunwe have rockboy :)
16:54:07pixelmanot on his target though
16:54:14markunah
16:54:18chrissXcrossi know markun but i have the ipod mini
16:54:25chrissXcrossan there is noch rockboy vieser in it
16:54:47markunvieser?
16:54:53chrissXcrossviewer sorrx XD
16:54:59markunah, yes :)
16:56:25chrissXcrossin i would put the rockboy viewer into the rocvkbox that is on my ipod XD
16:56:31pixelmachrissXcross: please, at least attempt to spell correctly, maybe take yourself a little more time and don't hit the enter key so often - one thought on one line is much easier to read than on three or more lines
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16:58:26chrissXcrossi would put the rockboy viewer into my rockbox version is that possible
16:58:48LloreanNot without programming.
16:58:57evilnick_7I think that it has to be 'fixed' to work on your iPod Mini
16:59:13scorchedidnt pixelma already answer that?
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17:00:16chrissXcrossyesno he said it is impossible to start iboy in rockbox ...
17:00:41LambdaCalculus37chrissXcross: pixelma is a she.
17:00:48pixelmaevilnick_7: there's an oldish patch for it in the tracker (at least there was) but it also has another problem: the current control method on Ipods won't work on the 1st gen Mini (and both generations use the same build)
17:00:55chrissXcrossoh sry ...
17:01:00chrissXcrosssorry ahh
17:01:23LloreanchrissXcross: Just take your time. Stop a second and read over your line before you press enter. It will make things easier.
17:02:26chrissXcross<Llorean> Not without programming.
17:02:35pixelmaI also said it has to be specifically made for your player, if it was as easy as using one from another player it already had been done
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17:05:43chrissXcross;( iw would play gamboy on my ipod but iv dont would install anything on my ipod rockbox is the best for my ipod
17:05:51chrissXcrossif
17:07:22chrissXcrossipodlinux is bad, rockbox is 10000 x better
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17:08:23evilnick_7iPL is better at being an entire OS, Rockbox has more of a focus on playing music. But really, iPL is off-topic here
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17:11:44LambdaCalculus37Rockbox's biggest focus is music playback.
17:12:32chrissXcrossi know and i enjoyed
17:13:24chrissXcrosshow can i use the coverflow plugin
17:14:48LambdaCalculus37chrissXcross: Information about using the plugin is in the manual.
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17:20:59chrissXcrossmy english is to bad i dont understand all
17:21:06*r0b- loves his sansa e250 running rockbox :)
17:21:58LambdaCalculus37chrissXcross: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-19700010.2.10
17:23:23chrissXcrosswhat the hell is mandelbrot i run it but i dont understand it Xd
17:27:03*pondlife is somewhat unhappy that timestretch (FS #8894) still has a delta of +3170... anyone got ideas on how to reduce that?
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17:28:17Lloreanpondlife: Integrate it into the codecs? :-P
17:28:32pondlifehehe, that just hides it, no?
17:29:04chrissXcrossfor waht is mandelbrot an waht isit
17:29:08LloreanWell, the codec buffer's already allocated either way. Using up more of it doesn't cost anything
17:29:22LloreanchrissXcross: It's a visualization of the mandelbrot set. Please, read the manual and use Google before asking in here.
17:29:40pondlifeLlorean: Most of that delta is code, I think.
17:30:08pondlifeBinary delta is +3124, RAM delta is +3216
17:30:09r0b-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set
17:30:36r0b-what format do demos have to be in for rockbox?
17:30:50Lloreanpondlife: So just duplicate the code in every single plugin, and just put the enable/disable in the core. :-P But in all seriousness, timestretch is a pretty significant feature for audiobook readers (and probably for voice, if it would let us set voice-speeds on target instead of in-voicefile)
17:30:59Lloreanr0b-: "demos"?
17:31:11r0b-like the fireworks
17:31:24pondlifeLlorean: So, in summary, you'd think that delta is reasonable?
17:31:29chrissXcrossit is a image from Benoit Mandelbrot
17:31:48Lloreanr0b-: All plugins are C programs
17:32:17r0b-ok
17:32:23Lloreanpondlife: If it works reliably for speeding and slowing things, yes. I'd hope for future optimizations, but I'd honestly consider time stretch a "key" feature for anything spoken voice.
17:32:33r0b-well ive been wanting to learn C so i guess i will take a look
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17:37:05amiconnhmpf
17:37:31amiconnRockboy really needs to be adapted to 2bpp hp
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17:56:49Bushmanwhere can i find compatibility list for rockbox firmwares?
17:57:20scorcheas in which devices it runs on?....go to http://rockbox.org
17:58:07Bushmanwich sub-page
17:58:17evilnick_7The frontpage
17:59:00Bushmanhmm..
17:59:13Bushmanuuuu... :(
17:59:21Bushmannow i see it
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18:03:50evilnick_7LambdaCalculus37: On the release notes for 3.3, I'm going to change the word "sync" from "And you can sync this album art, music and of course any other file" to be "copy" as sync might imply that Rockbox has a sync utility. Objections?
18:05:03LloreanI definitely like to avoid the word "sync"
18:05:07LloreanIt seems to come with implications.
18:06:56LambdaCalculus37evilnick_7: Llorean has a point there.
18:07:27evilnick_7Isn't he agreeing with me? Also, I'd like to put that paragraph into the passive voice.
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18:08:00evilnick_7i.e. "we've been adding a number of" would become "A number of ... were added"
18:08:31Bushmandid anyone did any attempts with rockchips?
18:08:48Bushmanlike RK2706?
18:09:06evilnick_7Check the New Ports subform.
18:09:12evilnick_7sub-forum*
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18:11:08Bushmank, thanks
18:11:14Bushmanfound some thread
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18:17:23benny[1]hey does anyone know if there's any work being done to add a pdf viewer to rockbox?
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18:17:54LloreanThese devices are pretty ridiculously unsuitable for such a thing
18:17:58LloreanSo it seems pretty unlikely.
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18:18:30benny[1]hmm, I have a video ipod and the screen is just big enough that it'd be readable
18:18:48benny[1]the apple firmware only comes with a textfile reader tho
18:19:18LloreanThe iPod video also has a very, very slow processor
18:19:32benny[1]is pdf processing quite intensive?
18:19:43gevaertsit depends on the pdf
18:19:49benny[1]it seems to run doom ok :)
18:20:03benny[1]well, pretty low frame rate actually, but...
18:20:03gevaertsdoom was originally written for 486 PCs
18:20:04LloreanYou can make quite simple PDFs, but then you may as well just convert them to text files.
18:20:11benny[1]oh yep
18:20:48benny[1]may just look for a file converter program then, thanks for the tips
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18:34:50bluebrotherpixelma: did a few more tests about the 404 issue. It's not present anymore in svn but reproduceable with 1.2.1 and 1.2
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18:35:45pixelmanice it's fixed but needs another "release" then, I guess
18:37:23notlisteningbluebrother, modified rbutil and generated my ,takj fuke through linux yesterday ;) slow but that can be improved with a change
18:37:46notlisteningmy talk files using SAPI
18:38:08bluebrothernice to hear.
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18:40:09notlisteningshould be much faster as is with windows but need to test that
18:42:24Bushmanthe thread about rockchips has ended 2 months ago and no newer posts till now :(
18:43:06evilnick_7Bushman: That means that there hasn't been any progress OR that whoever is working on it hasn't posted - if there's a Wiki page then check that too.
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18:43:35Bushmanto bad that there's no progress
18:44:04Bushmanit's a cool hardware but the keys mapping sucks a bit
18:44:25Bushmanfor example "play" button is maped to "delete" in folder view
18:44:27Bushman:P
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18:45:11Bushmanand the EQ is accesible via main menu>config and not from playback screen
18:45:31kugelreally?
18:45:38kugelseems like a step back from e200
18:46:03Bushmanmaybe, don't know what's e200
18:46:37kugelsansa e200
18:46:49Bushmanbesides the volume-up button's long press is not "fast volume up" but some crapy loop feature
18:47:00Bushmandoes anyone actualy use it
18:47:01Bushman?
18:47:37pixelmaBushman: the original firmware of some random player is a off-topic here
18:47:40evilnick_7kugel: (In case you hadn't read the logs) We were talking about the rockchips player(s) [and beginning to veer into off-topic-ness]
18:47:45kugelMay I ask you to keep the discussion on the topic (which is rockbox, not what the OF does on some unsupported player)
18:47:56Bushmanpixelma: sorry
18:48:32Bushmanok
18:48:52Bushmanso what can you guys tell me about rockchips and rockbox?
18:49:03Bushmanis it a compleet no-go right now?
18:49:54evilnick_7Bushman: All we know is in the forum/wiki (unless by chance someone here was involved in either of those) so if you've read those then you know all the current information
18:49:58Bushmanmaybe there's an option to compile rockbox as .RKP?
18:50:17evilnick_7There is not.
18:51:31LambdaCalculus37Bushman: Unfortunately, Rockbox is not available as a magic wand you can wave and have Rockbox instantly running on your device.
18:53:35Bushmani'm ugly, not S T U P I D -_-'
18:54:13Bushmanlooks like i'm a persona non grata here...
18:54:16Bushmanbye
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18:55:27*amiconn wonders whether it would make sense to put the windows langids (for sapi) into the .lang files
18:57:06AlexPobo: Did you see the message about weekly updates on the dev mailing list?
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19:00:35oboAlexP: yes, was going to respond this weekend. My progress so far has been too slow for my liking.
19:01:04AlexPWhat is the current news?
19:02:17saratogaUnhelpful: ping
19:02:38obome bashing my head against the steep learning curve (for me) that is disassembly. As I said in community, I've found GPIO bits to turn the LCD white, and to shut it off, and code to reset the device
19:02:57AlexPThat's something :)
19:02:57funmanobo: nice progress !!
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19:03:38funmanobo: I suspect this code for turning LCD backlight must not be far from the lcd_init and lcd_write_cmd / lcd_write_data functions
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19:03:51oboyes, but it doesn't seem like much yet!
19:04:36bertrikI think funman means that related functionality is often close to each other in the firmware
19:05:00funmanobo: you can't go back, so this is something you have acquired now. Other findings will come in their time
19:05:41obofunman: thanks. yes, hopefully the LCD code is revatively close together
19:05:58funmanAnd once you have found the lcd functions (usually they are easy to implement), this will speed up testing a lot, so other findings will follow shortly
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19:10:54funmanobo: did you find the GPIO for LCD backlight in the OF or from experimentation ? I don't see the GPIO on SansaView wiki page
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19:17:17CIA-37New commit by 03funman (r21247): FS #10309 : Sets reasonable timeouts for data access in the SD driver ...
19:18:02funmanI just found that we don't check if the data transfer succeeded when selecting the bank
19:18:49funmanThat could very well be a/the source of problems people mention on the forums : FAT driver using a 2/4/8GB partition, and SD driver only having access to the first 1GB
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19:20:32bertrikI hope to get some handle on the e200v2 radio problems soon ...
19:21:11notlisteningbertrik, i have some info on that for you just need to add it to the forumn as i posted it in the wrong place before
19:21:35bertrikfunman, about the clip button driver: I think we can just call button_read_device three times at initialisation to get an initial state and we can stop using the kernel tick
19:22:03bertriknotlistening, positive news I hope
19:22:18funmanbertrik: that's 1 more line of code than sleep() button_read_device() ;)
19:23:04funmanthe kernel tick is already present, but interrupts were enabled only when needed (for the storage driver)
19:23:26bertrikoh I thought the kernel tick was done in interrupt context (from the timer interrupt)
19:23:37pixelmafunman: I thought you wanted to respect the freeze?
19:24:12funmanbertrik: true, the interrupt doesn't happen before we enable_irq(), but the tick is functional
19:24:19pixelmaor is it not going to affect other Sansas
19:24:19bertrikI assumed the freeze doesn't apply to currently unsupported targets
19:24:28pixelmain which case, ignore me
19:24:30funmanpixelma: i only modified Sansa AMS in this commit, I left the PP/AMS diff for after the freeze
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19:25:41pixelmabertrik: yes, sorry - I assumed that was the change affecting the PP ones too when just reading the message here
19:26:21notlisteningbertrik, umm only that i managed toget radio working in the oOF as there are bugs in the wiki version that is being used for develpment but this may be a sticking point
19:26:33funmanthat's what the first patch I posted to FS #10309 did, so you're all excused pixelma ;)
19:27:50bertriknotlistening, what do you mean by bugs in the wiki version, is that something we can fix?
19:27:51pixelmaphew :)
19:28:27CIA-37New commit by 03funman (r21248): Sansa AMS storage driver: restart bank selection if data transfer failed, and precise a comment about retry variable
19:28:35notlisteningno this is the release firmware weare uing from sandisk that has some parcularities
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19:28:40bertriknotlistening, so you got your radio working in the OF even if it didn't originally work in the OF?
19:28:44notlisteningbut this could be causing problems with rockbox
19:31:11bertrikIMO rockbox should be able to run regardless of the state that the OF leaves it in
19:31:31bertrikthe state of the hardware I mean
19:32:10pixelmabluebrother: your response in the forum reminds me of the second part of my question yesterday: why does it (do we want) to place the downloaded manual in the root of my player? I expected and would want to chose where it will be saved (as I can't view the pdf or zipped html on my player anyways)
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19:35:42obofunman: experimentation - for (int i = 0; i <= 31; i++) GPIO_CLEAR_BITWISE(GPIOB_OUTPUT_VAL, 1<<i);
19:35:53funmanI understand feature freeze will end today with the 3.3 branching ?
19:36:32funmanobo: if you make sure which bit exactly controls the backlight, you can look in the OF for references to this GPIO bit ,
19:36:58obofunman: but it might be more than just the backlight - I think it's actually shutting down the LCD itself
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19:37:55funmanthen I suppose a reference to this bit would be very close to the lcd init procedure ;)
19:38:05obofunman: but yes, I was hoping to be able to reference any findings back to the disassembly
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19:38:30funmanif the OF programmers cared about battery life they would write it just prior the lcd init itself
19:38:49obofunman: caring about battery life in the bootloader?
19:40:07funmani think i would do that, i also think that like us they used the same code for bootloader and the OF.mi4, but you're the one who knows
19:42:34obookay, makes sense to reuse it.
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19:58:15bluebrotherpixelma: the reason is simply that it was the easiest solution when I implemented it. If we want it to ask for a location we can of course change it.
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20:12:24pixelmabluebrother: that's what I would wish - but wouldn't give it a high priority. Maybe others could state their opinions too
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20:15:19bluebrotherpixelma: well, at least I agree that it would be nicer :)
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20:17:13bluebrotherinterested in a svn build? Given the 404 issues it might be a good idea to do a new release soon
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20:30:27pixelmabluebrother: wouldn't mind trying if you compile one for me
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20:40:20*pixelma wonders wether the latest downloadable c200 bootloader already has the boot into the OF on USB from an off-state removed
20:41:11gevaertspixelma: only the one on FS
20:42:35pixelmapity, I would totally have tried bootloader installation with RBUtil otherwise. Or can I point it to another download link?
20:43:18pixelmamy c200 bootloader is so old that it still has the "e200" string in it ;)
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20:44:50gevaertsexact bootloader version shouldn't matter for testing rbutil
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20:46:02pixelmayes, but I wanted some incentive to actually replace the old bootloader
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20:57:56pixelmabluebrother: first testing with my Ondio - the download (with button) works correctly now, also the "open in browser" ones. I also creation of some talk clips (SAPI engine). Minor "glitch" for theme installation (though I would have no idea how to prevent that, except maybe check for the existence of the .rockbox dir) - theme installation would install the theme anyways although I disconnected the Ondio's main "disk" and inserteed the MMC, so it
20:57:56pixelma installed onto the MMC (creating the .rockbox dir)
20:58:27pixelmaI don't know if that can happen on other targets too, but on the Ondio you can only have access to one or the other
20:59:08pixelmait's not a big deal as it doesn't do harm
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21:02:50bluebrotherwasn't aware that the ondio has excluding access
21:03:50pixelmabut installing .talk clips worked correctly, even on the MMC
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21:10:31pixelmabluebrother: in the "are you sure you really want to download" box, why are the buttons labeled "yes" / "no" when in my German windows? Not that I mind much but it surprised as the rest of the UI is translated (guessing for some qt related weirdness though)
21:11:03pixelmathe download itself worked with my c200 as well
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21:31:24amiconnpixelma, bluebrother: I guess this is the same problem that quassel also used to have: the translation of standard dialogs is part of Qt, not of rbutil's translation
21:31:49amiconnFixing it requires including (at least some of) the Qt translations in the static build
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21:34:41pixelmabluebrother: trying to install a latest available bootloader on my c200 now and testing - limited access detection worked correctly, bootloader installation did too
21:35:29*pixelma thinks "Boot Ver. 5.0" sounds odd
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21:46:55JdGordon|oh lame.. there is still alist item alignment issue when you go up folders :(
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21:59:04Unhelpfulsaratoga: i'll try to help if i can. i don't really have any uncommon knowledge of that. :)
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22:46:12bertrikcan anyone with an e200v2 try my patch on fs#10267?
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22:55:57casainhoI would like to know if I could make a hardware player but using one "VS1053 - Ogg Vorbis/MP3/AAC/WMA/MIDI audio codec", and if so, what would be the RAM needed for running Rockbox
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23:02:17Bagdercasainho: it depends on the display then I guess, and how much plugin etc ability you want
23:02:37Bagderassuming you then wouldn't use any rockbox sw codecs
23:02:55Bagdercasainho: you would probably also get some hefty porting work
23:03:07bluebrotheris there a way to retrieve the filename for a tmpfile() file?
23:06:45JdGordon|wont adding a new hwcodec mean bassically fully reimplementing mpeg.c?
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23:09:14casainhoBagder: I am seeing to much troubles making a ARM9 board, because of BGA packages. I was thinking if I could use an ARM7 + that VS1053, so, I need to know how many SDRAM I would need for a LCD of 320x240
23:09:32casainhois there any Rockbox target with hardware codec and color LCD?
23:09:49Bagderno
23:10:01Bagderand color is not the only factor
23:10:16gevaertscasainho: by doing that you're really going to make something that nobody wants
23:11:00casainhogevaerts: ah... I think I understand.... :-(
23:11:35casainhoI was looking for some ARM SoC for this kind of project... but, without being BGA package
23:16:24Bagderyeah, I figure many/most SoCs are bga
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23:21:59casainhothat ones from VLSI are TQFP :-)
23:22:33casainhoso, ARM7 + VLSI = TQFP, which is cheap for boards and simple tecnhology
23:23:03Bagderand boring
23:23:05gevaertsprobably, but you'll get something with about the capabilities of a $3 chinese DAP
23:23:09linuxstbBagder: Did you spot funman's request a couple of days ago (in IRC) to remove mkamsboot-1.0 from the download servers? He unintentionally added the ability to patch untested OF versions, so wants to withdraw that release.
23:23:26Bagderlinuxstb: ah no, I missed that. will comply
23:23:28Unhelpfuland by using something that is already outdated, you're pretty much killing commercial prospects.
23:23:54linuxstbBagder: Thanks. Will it automatically get removed from the mirrors?
23:23:59Bagderyes
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23:32:06*linuxstb wonders if that VS1053 DSP comes with docs...
23:32:52Unhelpfullinuxstb: you're thinking it might be somewhat *less* of an albatross on the projects neck if we could write codecs for it? :)
23:33:20linuxstbUnhelpful: Could be fun...
23:33:47linuxstbThere is an obvious lack of any lossless formats.
23:34:00Bagdermidi! ;-)
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23:34:21Unhelpfuli wonder how well lossless formats work on DSP architectures. they tend to use rather different techniques than lossy.
23:34:44Bagderit claims wav support
23:35:01Bagderhttp://www.vlsi.fi/fileadmin/datasheets/vlsi/vs1053.pdf
23:35:55bluebrotheramazing. Using beastpatcher on WXP to send the Rockbox bootloader results in the device rejecting it but works using a dualboot nk.bin. Using beastpatcher on linux and it works fine. WTF...?
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23:36:13Bagder"This product is protected by certain intellectual property rights of Microsoft and cannot be used or further distributed without a license from Microsoft."
23:36:14Bagder!
23:36:40bluebrothernice, yet another MS tax :)
23:37:17Bagder"contains AAC technology (ISO/IEC 13818-7 and ISO/IEC 14496-3) which cannot be used without a proper license from Via Licensing Corporation or individual patent holders."
23:37:24Bagderwhat a mess
23:37:44linuxstbBagder: Yes, I'm just reading that pdf - it seems quite thorough on first glance...
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23:40:59Bagderhttp://www.egnite.de/produkte/embedded-systeme/elektor-internet-radio-10.html
23:41:07Bagderlooks like what casainho spoke about
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23:45:01funmanbertrik: the sansa ams use the timer in 16 bits mode because it "ought to be enough for everybody"
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23:47:04bertrikfunman, using it in 32-bit mode makes all of the prescaler stuff unnecessary so the code even gets smaller
23:47:37bertrikI see only advantages in using it in 32-bit mode (assuming the datasheet is correct)
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23:48:33bertrik32-bit mode allows timeouts up to 178 seconds
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23:50:23bertrikI think we're also a tiny step closer to solving the e200v2 radio mystery
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23:53:57bertrikfunman, I think the sansa clip alternative button driver is ready for commit, do you still see any problems / objections to it?
23:54:38funmanI think I supposed 32bits operation would be more complex for the hardware, just by seeing 16bits is the default.
23:58:41bertrikit's a mystery to me why it even has a 16-bit mode

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