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#rockbox log for 2009-07-07

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00:05:21webguest04What is the supported text on rockbox, like can I have html files render on the ipod I have rockbox on
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00:06:00linuxstbwebguest04: No, just plain text.
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00:07:31webguest04then do you know how I will be able to save the bus schedule on my ipod
00:07:42webguest04its on
00:07:46webguest04They come in PDF
00:08:05linuxstbRockbox has quite a nice jpeg viewer, so you could maybe use that.
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00:08:14funmansaratoga: how can we measure how much current the Sansa AMS draw from the battery ?
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00:08:47amiconnCut a wire and measure?
00:09:09funmani was hoping a solution only involving software exists
00:10:30funmanwe can only measure the battery voltage I think
00:10:42funmannot the electric current
00:10:48amiconnA software solution would only be possible if the target has the necessary hardware to measure current
00:12:13amiconnThere are certainly not many targets which have. I don't know any off the top of my head
00:12:36webguest04howto pdf2jpg
00:13:07krazykitwebguest04, ask google.
00:13:20webguest04google sucked on the answer
00:13:23robin0800webguest04, In linux you can use imagemagic to convert pdf to jpeg
00:13:25webguest04tis why I asked here
00:15:21tmztor poppler-utils
00:15:31tmztthen pnm2jpg from pnmtools
00:15:52webguest04coudl I get the lay,mans way to do it. I just want to get it on here
00:16:04funmani thought the battery life was calculated from the battery's voltage
00:16:19webguest04I mean what if I take a screenshot would would have to be the resolution
00:16:21linuxstbwebguest04: Feel free to join #rockbox-community and ask there, but how to convert PDF to JPEG isn't a topic for this channel (it's logged).
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00:19:01uwillSansa c200 −− keeps freezing when trying to copy a certain folder from internal to MicroSD. So I'm about to run fsck.vfat on it. This won't harm the system partition will it?
00:19:13tmztat least it's a use for png viewer, they would look horrible in jpeg
00:19:25funmanuwill: no it won't if you run fsck.vfat on the normal partition
00:19:27gevaertsuwill: it won't, no
00:21:16uwillfsck.vfat output: "There are differences between boot sector and its backup." I chose "Copy backup to original" Result: Invalid disk format
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00:24:39beta_Yeah the backup is rarely useful unless you know the main boot sector is borked
00:24:45saratogafunman: you likely cannot measure current via software
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00:25:06funmansaratoga: could we make estimations with battery_bench?
00:25:19saratogai can measure it for you using a DMM hooked up to the battery pack on my e200v2
00:25:21funmanif we know the capacity of the battery and in how much time it goes off
00:25:43saratogafunman: yes you can estimate it althoughh figuring the exact capacity of the battery on that particular charge can be tricky
00:26:18saratogaBuschel used that method for much of his PP power optimization work
00:26:24saratogaby doing many, many battery benches
00:27:02funmancan the battery charge be very different between 2 charges?
00:28:19relentlessOk, no one in #rockbox-community Is answering my question even though they know about it for the pdf thing
00:28:28saratogai think Buschel said something like +/- 15 minutes variation was normal on his ipod
00:28:34 Quit barrywardell ()
00:28:40AlexPrelentless: You have already been told it is off-topic here. Do not ask again
00:28:59relentlessthen someone answer in there
00:29:21Bagderstop being a jerk
00:29:24AlexPrelentless: Stop. Now.
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00:29:55Mode"#rockbox +o funman " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:31:12saratogafunman: do you need measurements done?
00:31:34funmansaratoga: i noticed the battery life estimation can't work on Sansa AMS because we don't have this info
00:31:58Mode"#rockbox -o funman " by funman (n=fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
00:33:10saratogafunman: for that purpose it will work well enough to just figure out the runtime and divide by the battery capacity
00:33:21saratogabut IMO theres no sense adding this until power consumption stabilizes
00:33:30pixelmalinuxstb: as a compromise I reverted the hunks that only contained those trailing space changes
00:34:12saratogacodecs aren't all that well optimized yet, the unboosted voltage is still too high, and cpu performance seems a bit lower then it should be
00:34:26saratogaall of these things inflate the runtime current
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00:34:55funmani have some ideas for better performance
00:35:01CIA-71New commit by 03zagor (r21694): Web page support files.
00:35:20funman- verify that disabling the dma clocks really works because i think it's unlikely (far too much dma_retain vs dma_release calls)
00:35:49saratogawhy was the unboosted the clock set so high anyway?
00:35:53funman- have the audio clocks only running when playing audio (will only help if you play games without listening music..)
00:36:14funmanthe clock must be >= pclk and pclk must be high for good performances
00:36:20saratogathe datasheet says we save .25mW/MHz
00:36:33BagderZagor: nice commit!
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00:37:18ZagorBagder: thanks. we're getting closer.
00:39:24JdGordon|how did samsung get shortened to smsg?
00:40:05BagderI've considered enlarging those names a bit
00:40:49CIA-71New commit by 03mt (r21695): Adding support for rm playback. Only cook codec is supported for now and no seeking.
00:40:58Bagderand I spot a little flaw in the new build table
00:41:20Bagderit doesn't show all the changes that are in a single build round
00:41:31Bagderbut we can work on that later on
00:42:02bertrikcoming soonish: fm radio on meizu
00:42:16ZagorBagder: yes, in case there were skipped revisions. I chose to ignore that for now.
00:42:30Bagderthat's what I meant, yes
00:43:30BagderI love the auto-update feature!
00:43:58Zagoryeah, it's slick
00:44:12Mikachugreat if you ever need a small botnet
00:44:25ZagorMikachu: :)
00:44:46Zagorplease don't spoil our evil plot
00:45:19gevaertsMikachu: they wouldn't change the build system for that
00:46:30bertrikmarkun: there is no mysterious EEPROM device on i2c address 0x22, it's the radio :P
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00:47:02gevaertsbertrik: if you have RTC and radio, you can make an alarm clock. Who needs flash? :)
00:47:15funmanbertrik: before working on meizu storage, you can train on the Clipv2 SD controller !
00:48:31*Zagor enables post-commit hook for new builds
00:48:53rasherZagor: So the new system is tracking the old one now?
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00:49:25Zagorrasher: yes. there's a bit left to do on the web page though
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00:57:01mtWhy the red on M5 - sim ?
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00:57:15mcuelenaereBagder, Zagor: could you also add the Onda VX777 to ?
00:57:36gevaertsmt: my guess would be bad RAM on the build server
00:58:13mtgevaerts: So I shouldn't worry about it ?
00:58:40JdGordon|I guess there is no chance for the buioldpage to be redesigned to go with the new build server aye?
00:58:44gevaertsmt: there's another M5 - sim red a few builds down. Exactly the same
00:58:50JdGordon|its realy rediculously wide now
00:59:11mtgevaerts: Yes I noticed that, I was just checking to make sure
00:59:16ZagorJdGordon|: do you have a suggestion?
00:59:22mt*to make sure I didn't break something
01:00:00JdGordon|wasnt there a plan to rotate it so its builds across the top and targets goign down?
01:00:06funmanseparated bootloader / build / sim tables
01:00:26funmanJdGordon|: most screens are wider than high no ?
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01:00:36*mt goes to sleep. Goodnight!
01:00:42JdGordon|yes, but scrolling down feels more natural
01:00:58saratogathe wide table doesn't really bother me
01:00:59pixelmafunman: I don't think seperate tables will be better readable
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01:01:59Mikachucookies that let you say which one to put on the left edge!
01:02:20JdGordon|thanks for volanteering :)
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01:04:11T045Thi :) can somebody help me getting Rockbox to run on a Gigabeat S? I got as far as compiling sendfirm but now I get "ptp_usb_getresp: detected short response of 33 bytes..." and the player gets stuck on the loading screen after that
01:04:37ZagorBagder: we should add an "exclude" feature to rbmaster, that lets commander exclude clients from the builds.
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01:15:56CIA-71New commit by 03pixelma (r21696): More cleanup and rearrangement for three column button tables in the manual. Most importantly: move the recently added IRIVER_RC_H100_PAD opt - ...
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01:17:29pixelmawhat... it looked like that's been pasted even though the full diff hadn't been transferred yet
01:18:02funmanare you sure it hadn't been transferred?
01:18:19funmanthe svn ci command will block until the post commit hook has returned i think
01:18:37gevaertsyes. We need to train CIA-71 just a tiny bit more so it actually tells us about commits we haven't done at all yet, and then it's a small step to fully automated code generation
01:19:18*Zagor adds some & to post-commit
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01:25:38lee321987Is there anything wrong with taking a config.cfg file from a c200, and using it on an e200?
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01:27:55linuxstbT045T: I haven't heard of that message before. I assume you are on Linux?
01:28:34*ej0rge thinks he's heard of that message before but has no suggestions
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01:29:18T045Tlinuxstb: yes. I tried it on a windows machine with a precompiled binary of sendfirm.exe as well and it told me everything went well, but the player wouldn't restart properly either :(
01:30:31linuxstbT045T: And your S works normally with the original firmware? i.e. no USB issues transferring files?
01:31:53pixelmaargh... that commit contained an unrelated change (the Iaudio remote svg)
01:32:30T045TI think so... I never used it with windows, only on a mac using XNJB ... talking to the dev of that, I learned that it has a really weird and technically wrong implementation of MTP on it... but that's true for all Gigabeat Ss
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01:32:55pixelmashould I revert that one file?
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01:33:59ej0rgeT045T: I vaguely remember that some usb ports worked better than others for me
01:34:15linuxstbpixelma: If the change itself was OK, I would just leave it. Unless you think it's important to say something in a commit message.
01:35:00linuxstbT045T: Yes, that would be my first advice as well - try different USB ports and different cables... If you're using a hub, then try without.
01:35:27pixelmawell, it actually needs adapting the pdf and png with it (which I haven't prepared yet and I wanted to go to sleep now)
01:35:47linuxstbpixelma: Then I guess it makes sense to revert it.
01:35:50T045Tej0rge: wow, I didn't even think of that *facepalm* I went straight to updating libmtp :D
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01:38:56ej0rgeT045T: iirc, i couldn't get it to work from a usb1.1 port or from a usb2 port on a cardbus card in a laptop, but a motherboard-integrated high speed usb2 port worked
01:39:13T045TI tried on a front USB port so far
01:39:53T045Tcome to think of it, those have always been kind of flaky... I though it was a problem with my old mainboard's USB controller though...
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01:41:07T045Tokay, the first of my back ports gives the same error
01:41:13ej0rgeT045T: I hope I'm not misleading you. It's been months.
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01:41:50CIA-71New commit by 03pixelma (r21697): Revert the m3-remote.svg that accidentally got committed with the button table changes in r21696. It needs a little preparation and a commit on its ...
01:41:52T045Tplus I'm getting a LIBMTP PANIC: create_usb_mtp_devices(): could not inspect object property descriptions!
01:41:57T045Ttwice, even :(
01:42:29T045Tej0rge: at least you're leading me somewhere ;) I was ready to give up and go back to the original firmware
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01:43:53pixelmaI actually only meant the changes to the svg...
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01:49:01ej0rgeT045T: well like i said, it's been months. the last few times I've rockboxed an S, i used the vista-bearing laptop and precompiled windows binary that finally worked for me
01:49:13T045Tej0rge, linuxstb, thanks for your advice, but I don't think I'll finish this tonight
01:49:23*gevaerts never had problems with sendfirm on linux
01:49:44T045Tej0rge: I think that's what I'll do eventually... or just wait for it to be integrated in a regular release
01:50:37linuxstbT045T: No-one else has reported your issue, so if you don't help us solve it (assuming it's something we're doing wrong), it won't get fixed...
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01:50:48ej0rgegevaerts: I had difficulty compiling sendfirm on linux
01:51:04ej0rgeiirc i had a newer libmtp than was supported or something
01:51:43gevaertsej0rge: when was that? There have been changes to sendfirm to support two versions of libmtp, but I don't remember which or when
01:52:31T045Tlinuxstb: it's probably safer to assume I'm the one causing the issue, because I'm using Sabayon at the moment, and equo (their package manager) doesn't really have a release numbering system, which results in kind of a mix and match situation whenever I update anything
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01:52:38ej0rgegevaerts: months ago
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01:54:00T045TI'm probably still going to try it again, but not any time soon... I need the Gigabeat for a looong vacation soon where I'm not going to have a laptop with me, so I'd rather have it in a working state ;)
01:54:05gevaertsej0rge: the fixes were on 2009-02-08
01:54:49ej0rgegevaerts: that could have been when i was working on it. I do recall coming here for help.
02:03:04JdGordon|kkurbjun: which wps is that statusbar issue with? all of them? or.. does it have either of the %wd %we tags?
02:03:37kkurbjunhmm, I am using the default wps when I have the m:robe compiled for 480x640
02:04:09kkurbjunI'm not sure which wps file it loads for that
02:04:36JdGordon|default cabbie? or default default?
02:04:48kkurbjunI think default default
02:04:50gevaertskkurbjun: have you ever tried mpegplayer at full resolution?
02:05:11kkurbjunnot at 640x480 it stutters at 320x240
02:05:37kkurbjunI'm not sure how fast it would be at that resolution, but I'm guessing slow
02:05:49linuxstbHow fast is the CPU?
02:06:33kkurbjunit has hardware that could help speed it up alot, but I have not messed around with it much - it has a DSP running at 100 MHz which is pretty much unused except to start dma transfers for the sound and an arm running at 200
02:06:52kkurbjunit also has a hardware idct and motion compensation
02:07:14linuxstbThe yuv2rgb conversion takes a big chunk of time - does the lcd have a yuv mode?
02:07:45kkurbjunyeah, it has a hardware yuv to rgb conversion also - it is using that right now
02:08:03kkurbjunthe code to setup the yuv for the lcd could definately be optimized mroe
02:08:10linuxstbHmm, then I'm surprised it's struggling at 320x240...
02:08:18kkurbjunsince the hardware expects the yuv to be in a particular format
02:08:36gevaertswhen I tried it it looked fine to me, but maybe I was using an unreasonably low bitrate
02:08:54linuxstbgevaerts: You're talking about a 320x240 video?
02:09:18kkurbjunsorry, not motion compensation, it's quantization/inverse quantization
02:09:20linuxstbThen it sounds like it's borderline.... Which I guess is to be expected. The ipod video can't play 320x240 in realtime...
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02:10:17*linuxstb would still like MrSomeone to work on other video codecs, just to see how they compare...
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02:10:31kkurbjunthe m:robe doesn't stutter much at 320x240 - once everything is buffered it runs fine
02:11:00linuxstbDo you know what (if any) video the OF plays?
02:11:27kkurbjunthe OF doesn't play any video - neuros has 640x480 running with mpeg 4 on that chip I believe though
02:11:36kkurbjunit's a proprietary codec I think though
02:12:18kkurbjunthe DM320 has an iMX engine also, but there's not really any documentation on it - I think TI expects you to use their library if you mess with it
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02:15:26kkurbjunby proprietary codec, I mean that its not open source and it's developed by some 3rd party - I believe it's pretty standard in terms of mpeg4
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02:17:10gevaertswe do need some sort of video playback on it. It really looks silly without
02:20:13funmankkurbjun: which DSP chip is it ?
02:20:39kkurbjunthe lcd can run at 240x320 or 480x640 so it works reasonably well when the LCD is set to QVGA
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02:21:24kkurbjunfunman: it's a c54x
02:21:27gartralis "Samsa" a typo, or is it supposed to mean AMS Sansas?
02:21:47amiconngartral: Both
02:22:00kkurbjunI was planning on getting everything running at 640x480 and then have mpegplayer run at 320x240 on the m:robe for now
02:22:05gartralok... thanks
02:22:18kkurbjunI think that if UDMA is implemented on the HD it won't stutter
02:22:26JdGordonexcept the 8pixel sysfont is too bloody small at 640x480 :)
02:22:26kkurbjunand if the YUV setup is optimized
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02:24:18kkurbjunTI advertises that the SOC can decode/encode a 7MP image in 1 second and MPEG4 I+P at 640x480 @ 30fps
02:24:55kkurbjunbut that's probably all using their specialty hardware and with code that was specifically written around that particular hardware
02:25:49kkurbjunfunman: more specifically the dsp is a c5409 (or similar to)
02:27:30funmanit is quite old, do you have datasheets for it to write decoders?
02:27:52kkurbjunfunman: we have a compiler and are running code on it
02:28:33kkurbjunIt's just a C compiler - there are public docs on the instruction set
02:28:58kkurbjunand there is communication going on between the arm and the dsp
02:29:16kkurbjunthere is documentation on the quantization hardware and the idct
02:29:19funmanoh ok, neuros uses a proprietary codec, but in fact we could write an open source codec for it
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02:29:25kkurbjunthe imx is mostly undocumented
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02:30:14kkurbjunyeah, an opensource codec would be doable except for the imx - I havn't seen any documentation on that but I havn't looked hard either
02:30:36kkurbjunyou can use everything else without the imx though
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02:41:00Hagen_i have a 5th gen 30 gig ipod
02:41:17Hagen_and i use the rockbox utility
02:41:42Hagen_it says 'could not open ipod' when trying to install the bootloader? D:
02:42:08Hagen_have my ipod formatted for windows so it works in windows and mac
02:42:19Hagen_inside mac right now
02:43:47funmani think there is a bug with rbutil on mac osx, could you try on windows ?
02:44:25Hagen_i dont have the ability to download windows utility
02:44:29Hagen_im on limited bandwidth D:
02:45:53Hagen_any way around this 'bug'? :<
02:45:54Hagen_:( *
02:46:31Hagen_i was looking at some linux forums for similar type issues
02:46:36Hagen_they said it was due to permissions conflict
02:46:38krazykitare yo running it with root permissions?
02:46:47Hagen_i should
02:46:51Hagen_dunno how to check
02:47:11funmanHagen_: try mounting the ipod again ? (sorry i don't know much)
02:47:25funmanHagen_: run it with sudo from the terminal ?
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02:48:01Hagen_sudo ~/rbutilqt ?
02:48:10Unhelpfulkkurbjun: what exactly is the issue with YUV on m:robe? does the YUV hardware want different subsampling, or just different memory layout?
02:48:17Hagen_first time i tried that it asked for password then said it didnt work
02:50:52Unhelpfulif it's "just" a layout issue, getting the decoder to arrange the pixel data properly shouldn't be *too* hard. and if it needs a specific subsampling that doesn't match up with mpeg1/2, then expanded or truncated IDCT might help.
02:51:26Hagen_also cant autodetect if that matters...
02:52:11Unhelpfulwhen you tried to run it with sudo, *sudo* reported an error (and rbutil didn't start), or rbutil reported an error?
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02:52:34Hagen_said command not recognized
02:52:41Hagen_have rbutil in home directory
02:52:51Hagen_i put in sudo ~/rbutilqt
02:52:58Hagen_and says command not found
02:53:24***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:53:34Hagen_it asks for password, i enter correctly.. then says command not found
02:53:44Hagen_158:~ Hagen$ sudo ~/rbutilqt
02:53:44Hagen_sudo: /Users/Hagen/rbutilqt: command not found
02:53:44DBUGSent KICK Hagen_ to server
02:53:44Hagen_158:~ Hagen$
02:53:44Kick(#rockbox Hagen_ :No flooding!) by logbot!n=bjst@rockbox/bot/logbot
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02:54:15saratogadon't flood the channel jerk
02:54:27Hagen_:S didnt kno itd put each line by line
02:54:29saratogajust use a pastebin the bot won't get mad at you
02:55:04Hagen_it says command not found :/
02:55:06Hagen_:( *
02:55:34Llorean Hagen_: Where is your rbutilqt file located?
02:56:02Hagen_so i think its Users/Hag3n for the pathway
02:56:20JdGordonkkurbjun: statusbar bug will be fixed in a few min... just doing some cleanup
02:56:37LloreanHagen_: As you noted, you told it to look for "/Users/Hagen/rbutilqt", does that exact file actually exist?
02:56:53Hagen_it asks for password then says command not found
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02:57:17LloreanHagen_: sudo asks for the password
02:57:26LloreanCould you go and manually verify that /Users/Hagen/rbutilqt exists?
02:57:38midgey|wwouldn't that be on mac?
02:57:57Hagen_i select go> home>
02:58:01Hagen_and see rbutilqt
02:58:11LloreanHagen_: I didn't ask you to just view your home folder. I asked you to browse that exact path.
02:58:20JdGordonmidgey|w: still at work?!
02:58:20Unhelpfulok, did you try starting it from the command line *without* sudo? :)
02:58:46Hagen_going to get info on the .app
02:58:49Hagen_it says where: field
02:58:59midgey|wJdGordon: yeah, parents are taking me out for dinner, but they're at rainier so i'm sticking around
02:59:36midgey|wHagen_: open up a terminal and type "cd ~/ && ls"
03:00 appears in list
03:00:34Hagen_ where field says /users/hagen
03:00:54midgey|wsudo open ~/
03:01:14Hagen_now it opens
03:01:40Hagen_ive ran that command over 10 times including restarting terminal and trying again
03:01:44Hagen_ - .-
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03:02:42midgey|wHagen_: previously you weren't doing open or .app were you?
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03:03:00Hagen_i tried w/o .app and w/ .app
03:03:21Hagen_still says same error
03:03:25Hagen_i select complete install
03:03:38Hagen_it says for steps of install:
03:03:40midgey|wcomplete install is weird on mac
03:03:40Hagen_downloading bootloader file
03:03:45Hagen_download finished
03:03:50Hagen_installing rockbox bootloader
03:03:54Hagen_could not open ipod
03:03:56midgey|wpoint rbutil to where the ipod is mounted
03:04:04midgey|w(make sure it's still mounted)
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03:04:21Hagen_its mounted
03:04:29midgey|wit will probably be something like /Volumes/IPOD
03:04:36midgey|winstall the bootloader
03:04:49midgey|wthen disconnect the ipod from your mac
03:04:54Hagen_i select apple ipod video (5th gen) 30gb at /volumes/IPOD
03:04:59Hagen_name of ipod is IPOD
03:05:18Hagen_it wont let me install bootloader
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03:05:45midgey|wwhat version of mac are you running?
03:06:39midgey|wok, in terminal "cd /Volumes/IPOD && ls"
03:06:53midgey|wwhat directories are listed?
03:07:10Dozerhello rockbox. I have a question, sorry couldn't find it in the FAQ. Is there any way to back up an ipod so that it can be restored to its original state including its music? ipod mini 2, windows XP
03:07:14Hagen_calendars, contacts, notes, ipod_control
03:07:25Hagen_i just restored ipod to factory defaults under windows
03:07:27midgey|wactually, ls -lah whould be better
03:07:37midgey|whmm, ok that looks right
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03:08:01midgey|wdoes rbutil give you an error message when you try to install the bootloader
03:08:14Hagen_i go to complete install under quickstart
03:08:20Hagen_and it starts installation
03:08:27Hagen_it downloads bootloader
03:08:27midgey|wDozer: for what reason?
03:08:34Hagen_then says cannot open ipod
03:08:41gartralHagen_: ohh.. you need too install bootloader and firmware seperatly
03:08:58midgey|wi mentioned that a few lines back
03:09:05midgey|wmac doens't handle the unmount correctly
03:09:13gartralyea, its also mentioned in the manuals
03:09:26Hagen_ok so inside the utility i go to installation, i select install the bootloader?
03:09:34*gartral nods
03:09:38Hagen_cuz that says could not open ipod too
03:09:40lee321987'Screendump' in the Debug menu −− does it copy the screen contents to an image file? How do I do it (once it's enabled)?
03:09:54midgey|wlee321987: install a usb cable
03:10:04gartrallee321987: its automatic, it grabs a screenshot every second
03:10:09rashergartral: wrong
03:10:23lee321987but I must be connected to the computer?
03:10:48Hagen_should i put ipod in disk mode?
03:11:09midgey|wHagen_: you could try that
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03:11:18midgey|wnot sure why it would change anything
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03:11:36midgey|wi installed on my 4g and mini2g no problem with rbutil
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03:12:25rasherlee321987: When you go into the Screendump entry in the Debug menu, the normal USB functions are stopped, and inserting a cable will instead take a screenshot
03:14:08Hagen_yeah unmount ipod (not in disk mode yet) and had everything closed out
03:14:14Hagen_reopened utility inside terminal
03:14:25Hagen_after ipod 5th gen 30 gig mounted again
03:14:30Hagen_sudo opened utility
03:14:40Hagen_went to installation, install bootloader
03:14:49Hagen_and get same error, 'could not open ipod'
03:16:43gartralHagen_: try ipodpatcher... there *shouldnt* be a difference, but Mac is strange >.>
03:17:01Hagen_cleared cache and tried installing after restarting utility and same error :/
03:17:02Hagen_:( *
03:17:14Hagen_what all does ipodcatcher do?
03:17:18Hagen_ive heard vaguely of it
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03:18:19Hagen_cant find in google yet :S
03:18:40midgey|wHagen_: have you tried auto detect within rbutil?
03:18:52Hagen_it fails
03:19:38midgey|wopen disk utility
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03:21:16midgey|wWhat volumes are listed in the left panel?
03:21:58Hagen_hdd and ipod and cd and .dmg of utility
03:22:38midgey|wright click on the ipod and get the properties
03:22:48midgey|wi think you're looking for mount point or something similar
03:24:49Hagen_says disk identifier: disk2
03:24:56Hagen_writable: yes
03:25:06Hagen_Disk Number 2
03:25:11Hagen_Partition Number: 0
03:25:22midgey|wplease dont paste the whole thing
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03:25:30Hagen_i typed, sorry
03:25:35midgey|wuse pastebin or a similar service instead
03:25:40Hagen_theres nothing in there that says mount
03:25:44Hagen_and idk what pastebin is
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03:26:20midgey|wit's a service to host text. we request people use it here to avoid posting a bunch of lines in a row
03:26:46midgey|wit helps keep the logs clean and easier to read
03:26:47Hagen_makes sense
03:26:52Hagen_yeah :)
03:27:05midgey|wdo you see any reference to /Volumes ?
03:28:29midgey|whmm, i thought it would be in there
03:28:34Hagen_mount point /volumes/ipod
03:28:45midgey|wok, good
03:29:19midgey|wsometimes mac wont delete a mount point on removal and the next time it will mount at /volumes/ipod 1/
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03:29:54Hagen_so what to do now?
03:30:29midgey|wyou could try launching rbutil a different way
03:30:39midgey|wi'm not sure i remember it
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03:31:05midgey|wsudo open ~/ OS/rbutil
03:31:11midgey|wthat's almost surely wrong
03:31:36lee321987Is it normal for the battery to be at 68%, then ten minutes later be at 63%, then 10 minutes later be back at 66%
03:32:21Hagen_yeah pathway didnt work
03:32:22midgey|wlee321987: the battery rating on a software codec target is semi-accurate at best
03:33:10midgey|wHagen_: if i had my mac in front of me i could check but i'm currently at work
03:33:23midgey|wyou may have to resort to ipodpatcher like was suggested earlier
03:33:46midgey|wyou could unplug the ipod boot into disk mode and replug it in
03:33:53midgey|wand hope for the best with rbutil
03:33:58Hagen_cant find ipodpatcher
03:34:04Hagen_and what does it do?
03:34:38midgey|wit's a way to install the bootloader through the terminal
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03:35:38Hagen_i think i found a link for ipodpatcher.exe from rockbox website
03:35:53midgey|wcan you right click on and click show contents?
03:35:54Hagen_well .dmg for my mac
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03:37:09midgey|wno, i mean the .app file. it should have folders such as Resources and Mac OS
03:37:29midgey|wgo into Resources
03:37:41Hagen_i have rbutilqt.icns
03:38:05midgey|wanything else?
03:38:10Hagen_no :(
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03:38:41Hagen_i got ipod patcher
03:38:45midgey|wgo back up to the Mac OS folder instead
03:38:53Hagen_says successfully installed bootloader
03:39:02midgey|wwell then hurray
03:39:11Hagen_now bootloader is installed?
03:39:22midgey|wit should be
03:39:27Hagen_how do i get full 'complete install' using utility now that bootloader is installed
03:39:51midgey|wwell, complete will try to install the bootloader again
03:40:01midgey|wi think full install is what you want now
03:40:03Hagen_how do i get the same effect as that
03:40:39midgey|wunder the installation tab i think
03:40:48Hagen_ok i have bootloader and install rockbox
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03:40:57Hagen_guess that means install rockbox
03:41:10Hagen_but what all does that install? any ideas?
03:41:50midgey|wit just downloads (either current or release) and unzips it
03:42:12midgey|wyou'll want the font pack for sure
03:42:24midgey|wpossibly doom and some themes
03:42:39Hagen_all manual then?
03:42:44Hagen_can they be done thru the utility
03:43:20midgey|wyep, they should all work
03:43:32midgey|wshould being the key word
03:45:24Hagen_will try this :)
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03:51:13Telazorndose anone here know a good place to get used iPod mini gen1 parts other then eBay?
03:52:22Hagen_amazon maybe?
03:54:33Hagen_thanks a ton guys :)
03:54:35Hagen_have a good night
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03:55:43midgey|wTelazorn: probably ebay or craigslist are your only options or the potential ipod repair sites that seem to pop up all over the internet
03:56:16midgey|wbest the discussion is better suited for #rockbox-community so please join there if you wish to talk about it further
03:56:49Telazornkk sorry thank you
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05:24:12kkurbjunUnhelpful: it is just looking for a different memory layout
05:25:59kkurbjunI think it is Y1 Cr0 Y0 Cb0 for a 32 bit word
05:26:03kkurbjuneach is 8 bits
05:27:01CIA-71New commit by 03lowlight (r21698): Philips SA9200: fix the buttons to work with flip screen mode (does anyone use this?). Change to conventional BUTTON_LEFT/BUTTON_RIGHT names and flip ...
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06:23:05CIA-71New commit by 03lowlight (r21699): Change the button definitions for the SA9200 sim too
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06:44:11gartralok pre rockboxing problem, I have a an E250 with a bad LCD controller.. how do I get it to switch to MSC mode when I can't see the OFW's main menu?
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06:45:51mc2739gartral: is it a v1?
06:46:12gartralmc2739: yes, im rather certain
06:46:26mc2739do you have a working v1?
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06:46:51gartralmc2739: yes I do. I have my main one that works and is running Rockbox fine
06:47:47mc2739you can swap the memory board from the broken to the working, install rockbox, and then swap it back
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06:48:50gartralmc2739: no I cant, I don't have the tools
06:48:58ej0rgethat mostly always works. i've had a few memory boards that only worked in particular main boards.
06:49:11ej0rgeuntil i got really creative with the unbrick tools
06:49:43ej0rgedon't we have instructions for blind installation on the e200 series? or am i thinking of some other device
06:50:24mc2739I think only if rockbox is already installed
06:50:31ej0rgesorry, that's irivers
06:51:32ej0rgegartral: unfortunately i don't think there's any way to know what menu you're viewing in the sansa OF without looking at it
06:53:00gartralI know my working one's OFW defaults to the Settings screen on startup..
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06:54:11gartralbut the one that has the bad screen wont show its drive on plugin (on my Linux box) and refuses to auto-switch
06:54:49ej0rgedo you know what version of the OF it's using?
06:55:07mc2739I think the OF defaults to the icon it was on when you turn it off
06:55:16gartralabsolutly no idea.. I picked it up for a doller off a kid
06:55:44ej0rgemc2739: that's what I
06:55:46ej0rgeI'm thinking
06:56:28ej0rgeif you have a windows machine handy, you can use the sansa updater to get it to the final 1.x version, which should work, but yeah - skeptical whether this will actually do what you need it to do
06:57:36gartralno, all I have are Linux and Mac systems now
06:58:32gartralI have another e250 with a truly destroyed LCD and I was able to Rockbox it
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06:59:11mc2739it is easy, if it is already in msc mode
06:59:21ej0rgeactually, fiddling with my e250v1, i think it may actually boot to the settings menu
07:00:26ej0rgein that case, the key sequence would be center, 11 clicks clockwise, right, center, one click counter-clockwise, then center again
07:00:40ej0rgebut you could have figured that out yourself, which makes me wonder why you're asking
07:01:30ej0rgeer, where i said "right, center" i meant either/or
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07:02:54ej0rgeyou may want to wait a minute or two after turning it on to let it finish scanning the filesystem if it needs to
07:03:26mc2739you can also use up and down keys instead of the scroll wheel - that may be more accurate
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07:04:33relentlessHow do I view images? I put them on my ipod but they dont show up in the folder I put them in
07:05:03mc2739relentless: what type of image?
07:05:18relentlessI converted a pdf to jpg
07:05:22ej0rgemake sure "show files" is set to "supported" or "all"
07:05:27gartralwasn't there a way to "spoof" it into think MTP mode wont work, and have it auto-switch?
07:05:41relentlessIts set to all
07:06:35ej0rgegartral: you mean this in the wiki - Use this method if you're running one of the firmwares that doesn't support USB mode selection. Boot into the OF with it connected to computer and let it be recognized as an MTP device. Next, engage the hold switch and press (and hold) the rewind button, disconnect from computer, and wait until the computer signals the MTP device has been removed. Now reconnect to the computer and it will be detected as an MSC d
07:08:10relentlessThank you I got it working, I forgot to eject the ipod and it deleted the file
07:08:59relentlessI now have bus schedules on my ipod :D
07:09:05gartralreconnect while hlding rewind?
07:09:33ej0rgegartral: what i pasted is all i know. I think you don't have to hold it while plugging it back in, but i don't know
07:11:39ej0rgethose instructions are for the c200 though, so maybe they don't apply
07:13:44ej0rgegartral: question - how do you know that it's just the lcd controller that's toast?
07:14:42gartralnothing but a white screen is displayed
07:14:52ej0rgealso, "tools" where an e200 is concerned == one #0 philips head screwdriver
07:15:12ej0rgegartral: ok
07:15:57gartralbut the memory module seems to be superglued down on both units
07:16:34mc2739gartral: I believe it is just double sided tape
07:16:42ej0rgeI've gone though the parts of 8 or 9 e200's and I've never seen that - you're saying the memory module won't pop off the board?
07:16:59ej0rgeyeah, there are a few points of double-sided mounting tape
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08:11:07animatorgeekCan anyone tell me what the current state is of the h1xx bootloader in SVN?
08:12:35animatorgeekI'm debating whether to test a fix I made. I'm 99.9% sure it won't brick my player (my fix that is), but I don't know how stable the loader is in SVN.
08:12:56animatorgeekSo it sounds like I probably shouldn't
08:12:58LloreanFix for what?
08:13:26animatorgeekThe problem of disconnecting USB and getting an ATA -80 error on a CFModded h1xx
08:14:34animatorgeekAs far as I can tell it's the one extant problem in 7pre4 (at least as far as CFMod goes)
08:14:46LloreanWhy not patch against the revision used to make that?
08:15:32Dhraakellianwhat determines whether a track's length is listed in the database browser?
08:15:47animatorgeekOh, that's a good idea. Thanks!
08:16:50Dhraakellianencoder used? presence of certain tags? tags added by the encoder used?
08:17:06animatorgeekSo then that makes me wonder: what's the possibility of coming out with an official v7 bootloader? Does that require Linus to do a bunch of testing? Is he the only one with the de-bricking hardware?
08:18:22animatorgeekAnd how can I figure out which rev was used for 7pre4?
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08:22:58LloreanIf it's going to be working with flashing Rockbox it needs a higher degree or reliability than it did before
08:23:06LloreanPreviously, we just had to be absolutely certain you can always dual boot
08:23:45LloreanI don't know how you'd find out the revision of 7pre4. Ask whoever compiled it if it's not listed in the boot screen.
08:26:43Dhraakellianhoorah! I figured out how to mark possibilities in sudoku on the Fuze!
08:26:45Slasherithe 7pre4 bootloader was compiled on date 2008-02-09. So you should look svn just before and after that for any bootloader commits and compile it including any of those commits to be sure it will work
08:27:15*Dhraakellian still thinks it's a tad clunky, but now he can at least use it
08:27:42Slasherianimatorgeek: what kind of fix did you make to the BL?
08:28:09animatorgeekkay, thanks
08:28:34animatorgeekSlasheri: I just added one line to the end of the USB mode conditional block
08:28:47animatorgeekSee FS #9642 (Bootloader USB Diskmode fails to exit gracefully on CFModded H100)
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08:29:45Slasheriah, i will see that. I just thought if that's general change, maybe it should be included in the final v7. Or 7pre5
08:29:46animatorgeekIt was just flowing right into the load-from-disk section without first checking if it should load from ROM or RAM
08:29:51OverandAre .wps files from older releases incompatible with 3.3?
08:30:45OverandI'm having a problem with "Kelp" - it seems to be displaying some sort of default display.
08:30:52animatorgeekI would hope that this problem will be fixed in 7pre5 or 7. It certainly seems like a pretty simple problem.
08:31:20Slasherianimatorgeek: btw, if you are going to flash your modified bootloader using iriver_flash plugin (that's the ~50 KiB rockbox.iriver file in your bootloader build directory), you have to add a new crc32 checksum to the iriver_flash.c or disable the checksum check. Otherwise the plugin will refuse to flash your bootloader
08:31:21animatorgeekI think were were some changes to the wps markup language along the way, but I'm not sure when that occurred.
08:31:44Overandanimatorgeek: I'm not sure the last time I actually tried to use "kelp" - it may have been up to a year or two.
08:32:27*Dhraakellian wonders what the best keymap for sudoku on the fuze would be
08:32:28animatorgeekI would guess things have changed since then. I know the newer wps screens look a lot more fancy on my h120.
08:32:54OverandSeems the same, on my iPod 5G/60
08:33:02OverandBut I really liked this old one, heh.
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08:33:14*Overand crotchety and old
08:33:55Slasherianimatorgeek: ah, using bootloader diskmode, it's intentional that the bootloader will load from disk then
08:34:22Slasheribecause the BL disk mode is not intended to be used regularly, mainly for updating rockbox
08:35:00animatorgeekSlasheri: I'm not sure what I have to do to generate a checksum. Is it a checksum for the bootloader image, and I add that value to an array in iriver_flash.c and recompile the plugin?
08:35:33*amiconn almost almost always uses bootloader usb mode on targets which power on on plugin and have that mode
08:35:34Slasherianimatorgeek: correct, i will upload the utility to generate that checksum. Just a moment
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08:36:28LloreanOverand: The WPS language has changed, but not particularly recently
08:36:42LloreanAll WPSes can be fixed though with a little reading of the CustomWPS page and a bit of editing in a text editor
08:36:48animatorgeekIs the BL disk mode less stable? As a user, it comes as a great surprise that i'm not "supposed" to use that feature. I find it useful, and I'm not sure why it would automatically boot from disk after exiting it
08:37:03animatorgeekIs it in case you update the firmware?
08:37:42amiconnThere shouldn't be any difference in stability
08:37:42animatorgeekI suppose that would make sense, but then why not just go to the boot menu (if ROM and/or RAM images are available)?
08:37:43OverandLlorean: I'm looking into it
08:37:52Overand(for anyone interested - the originalk version of the old theme - )
08:38:01Slasherianimatorgeek: that's it, the update_crc.c
08:38:13amiconnI'm using it very often just because it's much more convenient to just plug in the device and have it connect
08:38:16Slasheriit will read rockbox.iriver from your current working directory
08:38:50Slasherianimatorgeek: it's not less stable, it's just preferred to use the rockbox usb disk mode
08:39:34Slasherianimatorgeek: but i will use the BL disk mode everytime i wan't to update rockbox. Because it will always override loading from ram/rom and just loads the newest copy from disk :)
08:40:04Slasheriit's also a safety feature if the menu would fail to operate for some reason
08:40:05animatorgeekI'm with amiconn on this one. I use it all the time because it's convenient to plug it in and _then_ turn on the player.
08:40:34animatorgeekExcept that I don't do that ever since I installed my CFMod.
08:41:01Slasheriso i don't think that should be changed for the final BL. The disk is spinning anyway at this point so there is little performance penalty
08:41:18animatorgeekI guess my point is that from a user's perspective it's counterintuitive.
08:41:55animatorgeekThere's a penalty if you've got the CFMod. That makes me wonder how many people have done this mod....
08:42:17Slasherihmm, there is a penalty?
08:42:42animatorgeekYes. It won't boot. it requires a hard reset
08:42:49animatorgeekATA -80
08:42:57Slasheriah, well that's a bug, not a penalty :)
08:43:13Slasheriand of course that should be fixed
08:43:15animatorgeekAlthough perhaps that's the real problem: the bootloader doesn't know how to boot from a CF card.
08:43:26OverandManaged to find a new version.
08:43:32animatorgeekRight you are.
08:43:33amiconnI would expect a bootloader compiled from current svn to not have this bug
08:43:40Slasheriouch, that really must be fixed then
08:44:20amiconnIirc all the CF related fixes went in after our iriver bootloaders (including 7pre4) were compiled
08:44:27animatorgeekSo I guess that really the fix I submitted for FS #9642 is a bandaid on to pof the larger problem. Still, it would be nice (from my perspective) to be able to boot from USB BL mode.
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08:45:07animatorgeekOh, so the boot-from-CF problem is likely to be fixed already?
08:45:11Slasheriamiconn: well, that could be tested with some extreme care. Just be sure you have flashed the rockbox rom image before trying that. So there is some possibility that the reset cookie will kick in if the bootloader should crash
08:45:42*amiconn won't touch iriver flashing before the flash bootloader becomes official
08:46:04amiconnI'm running plain v6 bootloader
08:46:27animatorgeekamiconn: v6 won't work with CFMod. 7pre4 is required.
08:46:48*animatorgeek doesn't remember why
08:47:15amiconnI don't have my iriver cf modded, and there is no reason to
08:47:45amiconnWell, unless affordable CFs become larger than my hdd, which is the rare MK8007GAH
08:47:58animatorgeekAh, you're a lucky one.
08:48:26Slasheriamiconn: and you don't like much faster boot-up times and saving battery with dircache/database?
08:48:33animatorgeekI have an h120, so tall drives won't work for me. But more than that, I was eager to eliminate hard drive noise
08:49:10animatorgeekThe internal mic is actually decent quality for recording rehearsals and stuff like that, once you get rid of the hard drive.
08:50:54animatorgeekSlasheri: are you actively developing the bootloaders? Is there actualy a v7 release on the horizon?
08:52:05Slasherianimatorgeek: not actively, but i would consider the v7pre4 the most stable h1xx bootloader so far
08:53:05Slasherianimatorgeek: i might do a new release however, if there is reason to. Such as fixing that CF issue :) But i should upgrade my player to CF first to be able to test.
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08:54:37animatorgeekSlasheri: I looked back at an old IRC log from August or something and some people were pushing to fix that for 3.0 but it wasn't a high priority since it's just for modded players.
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08:55:37animatorgeekWell, I can attest that the CF mod is super easy and not dangerous at all. The RTC mod caused me WAY more heartache
08:55:51*amiconn would rather take the risk of doing flashing experiments on his H340 than risking his H180 with an unofficial bootloader, even if this is already tested on a few devices
08:55:53Slasheriwell, i really need to get some CF. I don't think i could do that without
08:56:00animatorgeekBut needless to say it's a priority for me :)
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08:57:12animatorgeekI can understand your hesitance. I'm pretty confident in 7pre4, though. I haven't seen any mention of it causing problems.
08:57:26Slasheriamiconn: it's pretty well tested by many people. i think the risk using the OF firmware to flash something has order of magnitude greater risks than using our flashing procedure (which takes less than a second to flash/verify the BL)
08:57:27JdGordonI've got a dodgey 4gb CF card i can send out if its needed?
08:57:46GodEaterdodgy ?
08:57:48JdGordonits got some back blocks
08:59:16animatorgeekOh, and you can get the adapter from Hong Kong for $2.50 shipped to the US (don't know how they make any money on that). Not sure what they'd charge to Finland, but I know there are lots of sources for that kind of thing.
08:59:22JdGordonI can also lend my 32GB CF and adaptor if thats needed...
09:00:29amiconnSlasheri: Sure that's faster - the bootloader is much smaller than the OF
09:01:01*amiconn flashed all his archoses, even though the other of his two favourite targets is one of these
09:01:09Slasheriamiconn: and the time is one of the most critical points doing the flashing. Because if it would fail, it would fail during flashing the image
09:01:40Slasheriamiconn: even then, you could probably try to reflash or keep your player running if the verify didn't succeed (but that has never happened so far)
09:01:51amiconnBut for the archoses there's a recovery procedure almost everyone with a bit of soldering experience and cheap adapter hardware can perform - unlike the coldfires
09:02:48Slasheriafter the BL is ok, in practice there should be no risk flashing the ram/rom image
09:03:17GodEaterI think my H140 is still running 7pre3 - what did pre4 bring ?
09:04:07SlasheriGodEater: i don't remember excactly but at least there are few improvements to the menu system and remote control
09:04:24GodEaterheh, I have very little idea where my remote even is
09:05:03GodEaterin a crate in the attic I think
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09:06:10GodEaterdoes anyone know if the new 1.8" SSD drives are straight swaps into a DAP ?
09:06:23OverandInteresting question.
09:06:28Slasheriamiconn: and btw, flashing the BL doesn't remove OF from flash. So after doing that, you could still verify everything is working. Prior that point the BL is not touched by any other flash operations
09:06:34animatorgeekI'm kind of surprised it's been so long since an update to the BL
09:06:37GodEaterah, probably not, they appear to be SATA
09:06:47GodEateranimatorgeek: why? Very little changes in them
09:06:49OverandMan, I'd love a DAP with more than 60 gigs of storage, and an interface that's marginally better than what I have on my iPod.
09:06:54Overand(I really miss my Rio Karma)
09:07:11OverandThat thing was the only player with a stock OS that didn't seem to suck - at least that I've used.
09:07:13Slasherianimatorgeek: unless there is a good reason, bootloaders are not updated
09:07:34animatorgeekI think I've seen PATA solid state drives on Amazon, but I don't remember if they were 1.8"
09:08:16animatorgeekBut even then, you'd need a LIF->40-pin adapter
09:08:49animatorgeekno one makes the 40-pin drives any more, I don't think
09:09:00GodEateranimatorgeek: that would depend on which DAP you're going to put it in
09:09:10GodEaterthat adaptor would do me no good in my ipod ;)
09:09:13animatorgeekOh, good point.
09:09:16amiconnThe 1.8" drives are either 50pin or ZIF
09:09:31animatorgeekI'm all h1x0 oriented in all my DAP dealings
09:09:55amiconnThere are other configurations, but these are rare. Some new DAPs also use CE-ATA, but that's a yet different protocol
09:10:35amiconn(basically ATA-over-MMC)
09:11:26amiconnanimatorgeek: Yeah, and the H1x0 uses 50-pin
09:12:01animatorgeekOh, my mistake (40 vs 50 pin)
09:13:51*Dhraakellian thinks he has an alternate sudoku keymap for the fuze figured out
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09:14:46animatorgeekI gotta go. Thanks for all the info. I guess I won't be messing with the bootloader after all. I hereby register my vote for coming out with a new version that fixes the CFMod boot-from-disk problem...
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09:15:24GodEaterhow sweet, he thinks we're a democracy!
09:16:00animatorgeekI just mean to encourage anyone who might be considering such a thing.
09:16:29animatorgeekAnyway, g'nite (or morning as the case may be)
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10:05:19daurnhi all
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10:12:09Grahackdaurn: Hi (and hi all), I'm planning to use your lua id3 code to write a basictageditor for rockbox. Do you think of any problem I could encounter ?
10:12:39daurnGrahack, not really
10:12:55daurnGrahack, though you could use my whole tagging library, and help oout with it too, rather than just id3
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10:13:50Grahackoh yes, I used the id3 word because I wanted to be crystal clear (and I don't know of other flavour)
10:14:21GodEaterthere are "vorbis comments" and "Ape tags" as well I think =/
10:14:31daurnGrahack, well I currently also have wavpack read/write and flac reading
10:14:51daurnGrahack, I still need flac writing and anything to do with ogg
10:21:53linuxstbGodEater: Plus mp4, ASF and (soon) RealMedia...
10:26:43boobaloohello all, please tell me - are there any plans to port RockBox on the RockChip family devices (a legion of Asia mp3/mp4 players)?
10:27:45daurnGrahack, do you know how to use my libs?
10:29:43markunboobaloo: I don't think anyone is working on a rockchip port
10:30:01boobaloomarkun: thanks for the info
10:30:20markunboobaloo: are you interested on working on it yourself?
10:31:26boobaloomarkun: i'm afraid my programming skills are not enough for that effort
10:33:08markunports happen when someone just starts working on it, it's not really planned
10:33:27boobaloomarkun: also SDK is hard to get. it's possible, but hard.
10:33:52boobaloomarkun: yeah, I'm understand. so noone was start that. ok
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10:35:21markunboobaloo: earlier rockchip cpu's were MIPS based, right? and newer are ARM I guess.
10:37:40boobaloomarkun: yes, think so, that because I ask.
10:38:24Grahackdaurn: not yet, I have to dive into it, but if you've got a tutorial for me that would be great, and I'd start now
10:38:55daurnGrahack, I asumme you will start on pc first?
10:39:54Grahackdaurn: yes
10:42:53Grahackdaurn: maybe it's time to start a wiki page on :)
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10:53:08daurnGrahack, I posted instructions on irc, did you get them (in lua a couple days ago)
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10:54:52Grahackarf no, gonna look for them...
11:02:39daurnGrahack, I just posted the relevant lines in #lua, try them out
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11:12:00ReKleSSI'm trying to recover my H120's flash via the BDM
11:12:16ReKleSSis there something smaller than 8k I can write that will make it possible to recover the full bootloader?
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11:36:33BagderReKleSS: LinusN is our master BDM'er but he's not around atm
11:37:49ReKleSSI emailed him about this a little while ago, but haven't heard back
11:40:41BagderI'd suggest emailing the dev list
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12:17:50AlexPGodEater: IIRC 7pre4 lets you turn on via the remote (amongst other things). i had a problem with earlier versions that it'd always so hold was on and switch off even when it wasn't
12:19:03GodEaterah - yes that would be annoying
12:19:39AlexPI *think* it was 7pre4 that fixed that, but it was an age of the world ago
12:19:56GodEateryeah, I don't remember at all when I put 7pre3 on mine!
12:20:18GodEaterback in the stone age I think
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12:30:14daurnis there anything like iconv I can use in rockbox?
12:30:31daurn==> I need to convert between UTF16, UTF8 and ascii.
12:30:51Torneutf8_encode and utf8_decode convert between unicode codepoints and utf8
12:32:07Torneer, except no underscores. :)
12:35:51markundaurn: and there is the iso_decode function
12:36:01*GodEater notices his shiny new buildclient is busy doing stuff
12:37:06markundaurn: firmware/common/unicode.c
12:45:17BagderGodEater: the nano2g mentions it might not run custom code, then mentions how custom code runs to extract the ram...
12:45:23Bagdernano2g wiki page
12:45:36*GodEater will fix
12:46:21GodEaterI struck that text out
12:46:33*GodEater guesses that didn't render well in Bagder's browser
12:46:51Bagder"Currently it's still uncertain whether the information gained here can be used to run custom code on the Nano 2G" is not stuck out
12:47:06GodEaterah I see
12:47:37Bagder could also be referenced I guess
12:47:49GodEateris that wording better ?
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12:49:14GodEaterand link added to scorche's copy of the exploit.
12:51:32GodEaterLamda managed to get *his* 2G into DFU mode the other day without trashing the firmware partition, so those instructions might need modifying
12:51:42GodEateralthough I absolutely cannot do that on the 2G I have to play with
12:51:56GodEaterand I don't want to trash the firmware parititon, since Mrs GodEater will beat me.
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12:54:38GodEatershow of hands please. Who owns or has access to a Nano 2G ?
12:55:57GodEaterawesome. Would you care to try the DFU mode procedure on it please (without writing crap all over your firmware partition), and see if you can get it to work ?
12:56:49Galoissorry, I wasn't following the discussion, what's the procedure?
12:57:07GodEaterit's on the page
12:57:12GodEaterjust ignore steps 2 and 3
12:58:35Galoisso you also don't need a PC running linux? since I'm not using dd
12:59:03GodEaternope, you don't need a PC running linux.
12:59:33GodEateralthough there is a dd for windows ;)
13:02:43GodEaterI can't believe there are so few of us have one of these.
13:02:50GodEaterI could have sworn linuxstb had one too.
13:03:09GaloisI tried several times, but it's not in DFU mode
13:03:20GodEaterno I couldn't do it either
13:03:28Galoismaybe there's some special timing of the keypresses that you need?
13:03:30GodEaterdid you make sure it was connected via usb the second time you did the reset ?
13:03:40Galoisyeah it was connected the second time
13:03:59GodEaterwhat version of firmware is on it?
13:04:15GodEaterI've tried with it running 1.1.2 and 1.1.3
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13:06:53GodEaterwell thanks for trying :)
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14:03:34Unhelpfulkkurbjun: surely the decoder could store it that way?
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14:55:33CIA-71New commit by 03teru (r21700): Add myself to docs/COMMITTERS
14:58:34LambdaCalculus37\o/ New committer!
15:00:08mcuelenaeremt (logs): shouldn't FS #10182 get closed now that you've committed it?
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15:38:44mcuelenaerehmm doesn't pick up commits automatically?
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15:50:02Mikachumcuelenaere: nice delta :)
15:51:18*mcuelenaere wonders what the previous binsize increase of Blue_Dude's patch was
15:51:48Mikachumaybe it includes some big table in core that was previously in a plugin?
15:56:23mcuelenaereI don't think so, Blue_Dude #ifdef'd those out
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15:56:46mcuelenaerebut I think the said that binsize should actually be decreased compared to before his patches
15:56:58pondlifeBagder: Are you reworking the build table?
15:57:33gevaertsmcuelenaere: there's always the database from">
15:57:40pondlifeBagder: A possible inverted layout example:">
15:57:57mcuelenaeregevaerts: ah, those clients still build?
15:58:42mcuelenaerehmm wasn't there a Javascript version of that too?
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16:00:59*mcuelenaere thinks those graphs are a bit too small to interpret
16:01:20gevaertsmcuelenaere: you're probably better off downloading the database from there
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16:05:17*mcuelenaere finds">
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16:14:39mcuelenaerehmm binsize.db is 2 revisions behind current SVN
16:16:54gevaertsthe website isn't updated constantly
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16:21:12rasherIt's updated every couple of hours
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16:22:39paulkHello! I've got a sansa e250 and I'm running ubuntu 9.04. I've connected the player to my computer and it doesn't mount. it is listed when I type lusb in a terminal. How can I mount the sansa ?
16:23:37LambdaCalculus37paulk: Is the Sansa set to MSC mode?
16:23:44paulkyes, of course
16:23:58rasherSounds like the dreaded libgphoto bug
16:24:27paulkYes, i'm reading a forum that tells gphoto is teh problem
16:24:30paulkhow can i fix it ?
16:25:39paulkwell, i'm downloading the lastest version of gphoto
16:32:11rasherMaybe there should be a wiki page on this bug or something. Do we have a workaround, short of removing everything hal/gphoto related? gevaerts?
16:33:20gevaertsrasher: the only way I know of is to edit this fdi file, but remember that I've never actually seen this myself, as I don't use the thing
16:33:33LloreanAFAIK that's the only way that's been reported.
16:34:06gevaertsOr upgrade gphoto to some newer version. i don't know the best way to do that though
16:34:40rasherprobably smarter to edit the .fdi
16:34:45paulkI've upgraded it
16:34:46*gevaerts thinks that removing hal is the best solution, but he's probably in a small and shrinking minority
16:41:03*gevaerts hears a coworker talk about running things on a redhat 7.2 box
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16:47:16paulkI've modified the .fdi
16:48:35paulkIt works !
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16:51:21rasherpaulk: Would you mind writing a short explanation of what you did and create a wiki page for it?
16:51:37paulkWhy not ?
16:51:42rasherpaulk: or if that's too much bother, just write it on a pastebin and I'm sure someone else will
16:51:49rasherIt's a rather common problem, unfortunately
16:52:03rasherSomething like LibGphoto2Bug
16:52:06paulkI found the solution on :
16:52:18paulk« On Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty), however, I ran into an issue. When I plugged my e280 in with the USB mode set to MSC it would mount and then immediately unmount, and of course the Rockbox installer won't work unless the device is mounted.
16:52:18paulkThere's a lot of information available about this problem and numerous potential solutions, but only one worked for me. Jaunty ships with a config file (specifically /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/10osvendor/20-libgphoto2.fdi) that has a bunch of digital audio players "definitions" in it, and that was causing a conflict. Once I removed all the references to Sandisk players in that file, the Rockbox installer saw my e280 fine. »
16:53:19paulkI'll copy the solution in a wiki page
16:53:31paulkbut my english is very bad... I'm french...
16:53:36paulkI'll try
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16:54:42paulkWhere must i create the page ?
16:56:24rasherpaulk: Just enter the address of the page as if it existed
16:56:31rasherAnd it'll prompt you to create the page
16:57:00AlexPMaybe he was wondering what to call the page? :)
16:57:04paulkwhat name for the page ? What i want ?
16:57:09paulkyes :)
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16:57:22AlexPI'm not sure
16:57:38paulkok for LibGphoto2Bug
16:57:48rasherWe can always move it
17:00:32paulkDo i have to create an account ?
17:01:26rasherAh, yes indeed
17:03:52paulkit tells me « Access check on TWiki.LibGphoto2Bug failed. Action "change": access not allowed on web. »
17:05:07AlexPpaulk: Did you ask in here for write access?
17:05:28paulkmaybe. I want to create my page ^^
17:05:54AlexPI'll add you now - what is your wiki name?
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17:07:15AlexPpaulk: OK, done. That doesn't sound very French :)
17:07:44paulkIt's Polish
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17:07:59paulkwhat is %TOC% ?
17:08:09n1stable of contents
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17:18:04paulk_Please, correct my answers, i'm really bad at english
17:21:10rasherThat's a good start at least
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17:33:37rasherpaulk_: thanks, that should be helpful in the future
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17:45:30robin0800 the problem as stated is too broad and the slution is a hammer to crack a nut IMHO
17:45:52*robin0800 solution
17:46:03*GodEater agrees
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18:28:20HillshumIs it necessary to unmount Samsas between installing the bootloader and the binary?
18:31:24HillshumI copy them both over at the same time all the time. Works swell
18:32:13bertrikmarkun, has the tea5760 driver ever been tested?
18:38:51mcuelenaererasher: is there a way to determine what the last build commit at"> is?
18:39:36domonokyHillshum: no, unmounting inbetween is not needed.
18:40:18HillshumShould the instructions be changed then? (the ones in the test build post)
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18:56:40rashermcuelenaere: Not sure what you mean by that?
18:57:33mcuelenaerethere's nothing on that page indicating which revision the last build is?
18:58:08rasherAh! That can be arranged
18:58:27*mcuelenaere doesn't feel like downloading the full db just to see which revision the last one is :)
19:00:54rasherIt will be there on the next update
19:01:07mcuelenaereok thanks
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19:03:01rasherWhich might be now, or in 4 hours.. I'm not sure if I managed it before 19:00
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19:04:51mcuelenaereso it updates every 4 hours?
19:05:23rasherActually not. It updates at 2,5,8,12,15,19,23
19:05:26rasherSomewhat random
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19:16:02bertrikyay communication with the fm tuner chip in the meizu m3 works
19:17:08bertrikI reused the bit-banging generic_i2c driver that we also use for the si4700
19:18:22markungood :)
19:19:00markunbertrik: shouldn't be long before you can hear the radio, right?
19:20:22bertrikwith some luck, maybe tonight :)
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19:20:43n00b81Good luck :)
19:21:03mcuelenaerebertrik: did you get codecs working?
19:21:47bertrikmcuelenaere, no, I'm still hacking in the bootloader, I guess codecs require a lot of support functions
19:22:23mcuelenaerebertrik: ah yes, the meizu's have no other storage except NAND, right?
19:23:00markunand 1MB NOR
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19:23:07markunat least for bertrik's player
19:23:34mcuelenaereheh, I suppose you *could* expose that over USB :)
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19:23:49mcuelenaerebut I meant storage as in user storage
19:23:59markunmcuelenaere: but the firmware is stored there as well
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19:52:01bertrikmarkun, do you know what to do with the CONFIG_TUNER_XTAL setting in the tea5760uk driver?
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20:05:02*gevaerts misses total build time and client stats on
20:05:40Bagderyeah, I agree
20:05:53BagderI'm very curious about those too
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20:10:01*bertrik already knows his builds are slow, if they complete at all
20:10:30BagderI hope we'll be able to provide access to the db with build stats/info
20:11:40gevaertsBagder: that would be great. If realtime access isn't possible, maybe a periodic dump?
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20:15:17HillshumRussel-Athletic: hello
20:15:17Russel-Athleticsorry that i will ask a perhaps stupid question but i can't figure out how to do the following:
20:15:38Hillshumhave you read the manual?
20:16:06Russel-Athletici want to have a menu in my tagnavi_custom.config which shows me all files from a directory Test but in there i want the normal artist -> album -> title submenu
20:16:15Russel-Athletici tried "Test" -> artist ? filename ~ "/Test" -> yearlabum -> title = "fmt_title"
20:16:31Russel-Athleticbut this doesn't show me the entry in my database
20:17:00Russel-Athleticbut my tagnavi_custom.config is displayed ( i have a podcast entry for example, which is shown)
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20:41:13bertrikmarkun, I see a lot of mismatches between the tea5760 driver code and the datasheet
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20:43:01Russel-Athleticif somebody answered me, could you please repeat it? i had a horrible lag spike and don't know what got out and what got in
20:43:55HillshumRussel-Athletic: I didn't see anything, sorry, there's logs at
20:46:29markunbertrik: hm, sorry about that then
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20:53:12bertrikmarkun, I didn't mean to offend you or anything like that
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20:59:22bertrikyay, noise from the fm radio
20:59:34markungood work
20:59:34n00b81nice :)
20:59:35HillshumIs it tuned?
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21:00:40markunis it easy to auto tune to the next channel?
21:01:26bertrikthe chip can auto-tune, yes
21:01:34bertrikbut it needs some settings to do that IIUC
21:02:23bertrikquite a few radio chips I've seen so far can do autonomous tuning, maybe we should add support for that in rockbox
21:08:18*Zagor wants a commit...
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21:10:07amiconnbertrik: In fact all chips except the oldest one can autotune, yet no target uses that
21:10:17bertrikboys and girls... we have radio on the meizu m3!
21:10:29amiconnIirc someone tried autotuning at some point, and found that it wasn't working well
21:10:43*gevaerts thinks that the meizu m3 port is ready for release :)
21:11:08JdGordon|i tried doing autotune in software which sucked
21:11:40n00b81Nice job, bertrik. It didn't take very long either :)
21:11:51bertrikfirst station tuned was radio Decibel, playing some "La la la la la" song by Kylie Minogue
21:12:06JdGordon|there is no accounting for taste is there :p
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21:13:32bertrikn00b81, a lot of code could be re-used, for example markun had already written the tea5760 driver, and I could re-use the i2c code
21:14:10LambdaCalculus37bertrik: Looking forward to all those nice Meizu M3 commits. :)
21:14:25n00b81Looking forward to seeing RockBox on a 2g nano as well :)
21:14:38LambdaCalculus37n00b81: That's going to take time.
21:14:48n00b81Yup, I know.
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21:15:04bertrikthere are probably a lot more potential developers with a 2g nano than with a meizu
21:15:13*LambdaCalculus37 holds his up :)
21:15:20n00b81BTW, RAM officially dumped from a 2G. This will help with reversing the internals, etc.
21:17:11bertrikamiconn, I think it depends on the particular fm chip how well it works
21:17:31AlexPAre there buttons on the M3 yet? I can't rememebr
21:17:57bertrikI can't see any obvious reason why it would be worse than manual tuning, especially if the chip is designed to autotune
21:18:15gevaertsAlexP: I don't know if there is a proper driver, but we can read them all
21:18:18bertrikAlexP, AFAIK all buttons have been figured out, but there's no drive ryet
21:18:25gevaertsi.e. all three of them :)
21:18:40AlexPgevaerts: I rememeber us talking about keymapping a long time ago
21:18:46gevaertsThe manual for that one will be easy :)
21:18:59gevaertsPLA however...
21:18:59AlexPgevaerts: I think we decided to bin the quickscreen for a start :)
21:19:20GodEaterthe nano guys have finished dumping the RAM
21:19:45Universalso has the crypto been broken ?
21:19:47HillshumThat reminds me, is there a better way for the quickscreen on the Clip? Holding down doesn't work on lists
21:20:14gevaertsAlexP: I guess we'll need to drop a fair amount of plugins as well
21:20:18GodEaterUniversal: no
21:20:28AlexPgevaerts: I suspect so
21:21:08gevaertsIt's really not going to be the most game-friendly DAP we support
21:21:12Universalcheers godeater do we know or suspect what chiper and bit are used ?
21:21:26AlexPgevaerts: Doom on it :)
21:21:35gevaertsAlexP: doom is doomed :)
21:21:42AlexPgevaerts: At least it'll be quick to build without doom, pacbox etc
21:21:57n00b81Godeater: I already said that, haha
21:22:21GodEatern00b81: yeah, but no-one paid attention ;)
21:22:28GodEaterUniversal: chiper ?
21:22:28gevaertsAlexP: we have four directions : up and down are trivial, left is the third button, and we use hold for right :)
21:22:37GodEaterdo you mean cipher ?
21:22:50Universalcrap yer
21:22:53GodEaterif so, the strongest candidate is AES / 128
21:22:56n00b81btw, the key is most likely AES 128-bit. But we won't be able to get it - - unless with a hw hack
21:22:59AlexPgevaerts: Hmmm :)
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21:23:17GodEatern00b81: you mean the algorithm, the key can be anything ;)
21:23:23Universalhow taxing is that for its soc ?
21:23:27bertrikn00b81, it's both encrypted and signed, right?
21:23:36n00b81most likely
21:23:48AlexPgevaerts: There are four buttons really I guess - you can press in the middle of the pad
21:23:48GodEaterUniversal: not very, it uses hardware crypto
21:24:31Universalwhats the likely hood of that ?
21:24:43n00b81very likely :P
21:24:44GodEaterthe liklihood of what ?
21:24:45gevaertsAlexP: yes, but pure touch is not really handy. The gigabeat gets away with that by *only* doing touch
21:25:01n00b81GodEater: I think he means the likely hood of it being in hw
21:25:09AlexPgevaerts: You mean have the three + slide up and down?
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21:25:20Universalhadware crypto
21:25:23bertrikAlexP, the touch strip gives a position, also the <> button is touch sensitive
21:25:30GodEaterUniversal: we're near certain of it
21:25:38Universalquite costly
21:25:45AlexPbertrik, gevaerts: I'm just looking what the OF does again
21:25:48gevaertsAlexP: I don't know. This will need a lot of experimentation
21:26:11AlexPAh yes, >> has both touch + click
21:26:15gevaertsThe OF does much less than what we want to do I think
21:26:25AlexPSo I guess we can have long for both of those too
21:26:27GodEaterUniversal: what do you mean "costly" ?
21:26:43AlexPgevaerts: For sure
21:26:46Universalhardware cypto is costly
21:26:52bertrikAlexP, yeah I wondered what to use for left/right
21:27:07saratogahardware is cheap
21:27:12gevaertsAlexP: yes, but I fear you'll have to drop short touch then
21:27:21GodEaterUniversal: in what way ?
21:27:33AlexPgevaerts: Yeah, I think it has to be one thing for touch only
21:27:34bertrikthe OF uses M as the DO-NOT-WANT/escape/cancel/back button and PLAY as the WANT/PLAY/yes/GO/select button as far as I can tell
21:27:40AlexPUnless it is very long
21:28:28*gevaerts votes for re-wiring the thing and adding extra buttons
21:28:29Universalas in price (well that what my teacher in uni told me)
21:28:29AlexPSo we have touch and click on <>, click at the top and bottom of the pad, and then position on touch on the pad. The OF uses touch on the pad to have a top, middle and bottom "button", and then slide
21:28:51GodEaterUniversal: it can't be that pricey, or ipods would be unaffordable
21:29:11Universalgood piont
21:29:33bertrikthe bottom part of the strip (over the play button) doesn't seem to do much w.r.t. position
21:29:59bertrikmaybe that's just a setting though
21:30:11pixelmaAlexP: how do you differentiat between touch and click on the same "button" (if you "click" you will also "touch", or?)
21:30:19gevaertsthere are some settings for the touchpad
21:30:37AlexPpixelma: A good question - I guess there needs to be some sort of delay
21:31:05gevaertsmorse input for buttons?
21:31:23AlexPpixelma: That is what the OF does - if you touch for a second or two without clicking it only then interprets it as a touch
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21:31:37AlexPI guess we do it on "end of touch"
21:31:38Universalso whats your piot of attack godeater ?
21:31:52AlexPpixelma: So if you remove your finger without clicking, then it is a touch
21:32:28AlexPSo no differentiation between long and short touch, just for clicks
21:33:10AlexPYeah, the OF uses removing the finger as the trigger for the middle "button"
21:33:28gevaertswe could do gestures on the slider
21:33:37AlexPup and down? :)
21:33:49gevaertsor down-up-down, ...
21:33:53pixelmalong and short "touch" would also require a stable enough touch pad driver (from what I heard H10 and M:Robe100 don't work well)
21:33:54domonokyup-down-up to resume music :-)
21:34:29pixelmaI imagine
21:35:07*gevaerts thinks we should send one of the things to pixelma so she can stop complaining about the c200 being hard to do button maps for ;)
21:36:26AlexPpixelma: Good job on the plugin stuff incidently :)
21:36:27pixelmayay? Although that isn't given... for example, I think that the Ondio has a quite nice key mapping despite being short on buttons
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21:36:46pixelmano quickscreen though ;)
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21:37:23pixelmaAlexP: thanks... I even copied your kaymap typo in the commit message! ;)
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21:38:22AlexPpixelma: excellent :)
21:39:36pixelmaand left out one thing which is jackpot.tex ... your changes there made me notice that it still only was included in the Player's manual and need to prepare a change in main.tex too and wanted to commit on its own
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21:40:18AlexPah right
21:40:52saratogaUniversal: encryption hardware for decoding AES is extremely cheap
21:42:37Universalmy teacher is kinda old
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21:48:33GodEaterso, the memdump is available to those in the know :)
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22:06:35lee321987does the e200v1 have more RAM, and/or a faster CPU than the c200v1?
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22:13:07redriotcould someone help me ?
22:13:44pixelmamaybe, if you tell us your problem and it is related to Rockbox... ;)
22:13:59redrioti just got the source from the SVN, and am a bit confused what to do next. im trying to install on a gigabeat S
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22:15:56domonokyredriot: did you see ?
22:16:32redriotyes but that doesnt help when your trying to compile a SNV bootloader
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22:18:41domonokytake a look at
22:18:53domonokyits all in the wiki, just search a bit..
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22:19:51gevaertsYou may have some problems though. The gigabeat s installation is not exactly foolproof yet
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22:24:06redriotwhat does this mean ? /bin/sh: arm-elf-gcc: not found
22:24:19Overandredriot: You're missing the cross-compiler toolchain.
22:24:24Overand(Sounds like, anyway)
22:25:30redriot:/ where can i get it ?
22:25:40*domonoky points at the wiki
22:27:19domonoky should link to everything needed...
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23:04:16low_lightbertrik: do you have the as3514 datasheet? can you tell me what the register AS3514_PLLMODE is?
23:06:16bertriklow_light, can't find it right now, will look some more
23:06:36Bagderlow_light: don't you have that datasheet?
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23:07:22bertrikregister 0x1D?
23:07:36low_lightBagder: no. I have the the as3525, but that register seem to be different
23:07:46low_lightbertrik: yes 1D
23:08:57bertrikit's a 2-bit register that specifies the range of the LRCK clock signal, < 24 kHz or > 24 kHz
23:10:12low_lightThe SA9200 sets it for <24kHz. If it's >24kHz there's clicking whenever the ADC is read
23:10:43bertrikLRCK is a clock signal with a frequency of the sample rate that indicates when left and right audio is sent over the IIS digital audio interface
23:11:02Bagderlow_light: see PM
23:12:00redriotcould someone take a look at this error message i get when sending the nk.bin file to my gigabeat ?
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23:14:52CIA-71New commit by 03zagor (r21702): Abort on svn failure.
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23:17:34redriotanyione ?
23:17:55markunredriot: no idea. Hope someone else can help you there.
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23:18:19low_lightbertrik: so should it be set to >24kHz for 44.1kHz audio? It sounds fine set to <24kHz
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23:19:57tmztredriot: does lsusb still see the device? anything interesting in dmesg?
23:20:39redriotlet me check
23:21:12bertriklow_light, I'm not familiar with this part of the codec, but I think it should be set >24 kHz for 44.1 kHz audio
23:22:26redriottmzt lsusb sees "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0930:0010 Toshiba Corp. Gigabeat S (mtp)"
23:22:46bertrikin the uda1380 codec there are similar settings, I think they are used to configure a PLL that creates some multiple of the sample rate
23:22:46tmztok, no errors in dmesg?
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23:24:20redriottmzt doesnt look like it... "sudo fdisk -l" doesnt see the device
23:24:39tmztit won't, it's not a disk
23:24:48tmztit's in mtp mode
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23:25:32low_lightbertrik: ok thanks
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23:25:55redriottmzt, ok but how tdo i get the contents of the .rockbox folder on the main partition ?
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23:26:38tmztthrough mtp, I can only really help you with the usb problem, I don't know gigabeat
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23:32:57redriot02ok i mounted the main partition but now it says i cant copy or move anything to it
23:33:02redriot02im on ubuntu
23:36:06tmzthow did you mount it?
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23:39:45redriot02well its officially fucked
23:40:03redriot02after reboot it shows me a screen that says "
23:40:39redriot02"1 connect the portable center to a media pc"
23:40:50tmztyou're going to have to talk to someone familiar with gigabeat then
23:42:05Torneredriot02: you've done something it doesn't like and it's reformatted itself
23:42:16Torneredriot02: you need to send it a new firmware
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23:51:25BagderZagor: we should probably get an average for the build-scores read to use in case we get a build without an added score
23:52:21ZagorBagder: read = ready?
23:52:35redriot02in usb mode i have partition 1 mounted, and it contains nk.bin
23:52:55redriot02in partition 2 i have the .rockbox folder, and its contents
23:52:56BagderZagor: if you wish ;-) it can also just be cut out
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23:53:21redriot02when i type fdisk -l.... it shows me the gigabeat... but
23:53:24ZagorBagder: flexible writing, i like it :)
23:53:28Torneredriot02: if you can mount it like that then you are in the rockbox bootloader or in rockbox itself
23:53:35redriot02Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
23:53:37Bagderthe new build table looks funny with borders around some title images
23:53:48gevaertsredriot02: *don't* change the partition table
23:53:54redriot02same with partition 2, Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
23:53:57Tornebut if you get the screen that says "1 connect the portable.." that's the flash rom telling you it doesn't like something and it wants to have its firmware reinstalled
23:54:04Tornecylinder boundaries aren't important
23:54:19ZagorBagder: ah yes, it's my "hidden" downloads test. do we want those? (without borders)
23:54:27redriot02Torne, ive seen message screen 1 2 and 3
23:54:48Bagderah, that's what it means...
23:54:51redriot02ok right now its mounted.. what is the next step i should take
23:55:00BagderZagor: how about just a different bg color/shade ?
23:55:05Torneare you in the rockbox bootloader? what does it say on the screen?
23:55:08Zagorthe links were unintended. reload now.
23:55:37Zagoruh, no...
23:55:40Bagderstill there ff3
23:56:00redriot02Torne: its a black screen that says Bootloader USB Mode
23:56:08Torneredriot02: yes. so you've installed the bootloader correctly
23:56:25Torneif you've put .rockbox on partition 2 that's it
23:56:34Torneunmount the device
23:56:40Tornewhen you disconnect the cable it should reboot into rockbox
23:56:58redriot02ok let me try
23:57:19CIA-71New commit by 03bertrik (r21703): Meizu: implement i2c for the meizu fmradio and update the tea5760 tuner driver
23:57:22Torneif not then unfortunately the bootrom has taken offense at something you've done and it'll merrily reformat itself and ask to have a new firmware downloaded :)
23:57:24gevaertsmake sure you unmount both partitions
23:57:45redriot02ok unmounting now
23:57:51Torne(coincidentally i am looking at the exact bit of code that displays those screens atm) :)
23:57:56redriot02then pull USB cable or power ?
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23:58:00Tornejust the usb cable
23:58:05Torneit should reboot by itself shortly after
23:58:25redriot02trying now
23:58:52Zagordevcon attendees, please mail me your travel and accomodation expenses if you want to claim the rockbox fund refund

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