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#rockbox log for 2009-07-29

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00:36:34saratogais FS #4937 - Ipod Video constant ticking and scrollwheel noise bug still present?
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00:38:06JdGordonI dont tinhk so...
00:38:10JdGordonI havnt noticed any
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00:52:58wincentIs it possible to draw circles?
00:54:28saratogamt: (for the logs) what are you working on next now that you have AAC in RM working?
00:55:56linuxstbwincent: You could look in the "xlcd" functions in the plugin lib. If it's not there, then you will need to implement it yourself...
00:59:08wincentlinuxstb: Is not in the pluginlib, therefore I will do the latter.
00:59:53linuxstbwincent: OK, it's definitely not in the core lcd drivers either.
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01:01:09stripwaxwincent - circles of an arbitrary size? if not, you could just use a bitmap
01:01:53wincentlinuxstb: I looked there already. I think I know where I will look for it...
01:03:37wincentstripwax: Thought of this, but I think that I will for with smaller squares first (I am making the GUI for PDBox now).
01:04:27stripwaxsquares should tesselate better than circles in any case :)
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01:06:41wincentThinking of it (aloud), to prevent bang buttons being mistaken for radio buttons I will use triangle to indicate the said buttons being pressed.
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01:52:39notlisteningin the build directory i have all the fonts listed in the root folder is that correct?
01:53:37notlisteningafter a make -j and then fullzip
01:54:00JdGordonno, that doesnt sound right
01:54:58notlisteninghumm used to it beinng jkust the few nessesary files
01:56:33notlisteningthere is pnlyu one different when running svn diff and that is voice.pl but that is not called for a normal build as far as i understand
01:56:54notlistening*only
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02:01:01notlisteninggot it , was left over files that make verclean was not removing from when i had a mis behaving cpnfigure script
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02:42:35Unhelpfulthere's a bresenham-like algorithm for circles... if we don't have it in pluginlib already somebody ought to code it. :)
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05:07:00DarkSpectrumnot very far
05:07:19JdGordon1:) well keep at it
05:07:27DarkSpectrumhave had alot of stuff goin on at work so havent had much time
05:07:40DarkSpectrumi'm back at it right now :)
05:09:12DarkSpectrumcan you sugest something that may be a better code editor then i'm using now? whatever it is it has to have code folding though
05:09:33DarkSpectrumnotepad++ is pissin me off lol
05:09:49JdGordon1isnt notepad++ supposed to be one of the better ones?
05:10:13*JdGordon1 absolutly hates code folding
05:10:16DarkSpectrumsuposed to be but well i'm non to happy with it
05:10:22DarkSpectrumwhy?
05:11:08JdGordon1i dunno.. it just annoys me
05:11:20DarkSpectrumheh to each their own i guess
05:12:27DarkSpectrumman i'm half tempted to go find my old version of UltraEdit
05:12:57DarkSpectrumor maybe RadASM
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11:14:29timingis there any new mp3player which I should buy to run rockbox on it?
11:16:02Zagorto run or to port?
11:16:13timingto run :-)
11:16:21Zagorthen no
11:16:37timingI have a iaudio X5 now, but the clock already stopped working a year ago. and now the battery is dead
11:16:39evilnick_homeAll the supported players are listed on the front page of rockbox.org
11:16:49timingyeah those are pretty old
11:16:59timingyou can't buy them anymore
11:17:46timingah there is some work on the iaudio 7
11:18:27timingAh the cowon D2 ! cool
11:21:30linuxstbThe D2 is far more advanced than the iaudio 7 - the iaudio 7 port seems abandoned.
11:22:02linuxstbI mean Rockbox on the D2 of course.
11:26:27timingyeah cool
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11:55:37*Torne wonders if he can convince anyone to commit FS #10414 (tools/version.sh support for bzr) so that he doesn't have to keep patching that into every bzr branch he creates? :)
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13:37:13Lynx_Hey all! Is there a description somewhere what the different touchscreen regions on the D2 do? The D2info wiki page does not have that info...
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14:11:19Jaykayi suggest FS #6552 for closing, it's out of date
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14:25:41TeamNoX Hello my H320 sometimes depends on
14:25:52TeamNoXis the version 3.3 laggy?
14:26:01TeamNoXor with some bugs
14:26:03timingyour H320 depends on what?
14:26:06TeamNoXgive it a stable version?
14:26:18TeamNoXdepends on play music
14:26:25timinghaha okay I get it
14:26:28timingyou mean it hangs ?
14:26:54TeamNoXyes :)
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14:27:32timinghaha
14:27:35TeamNoXhe ask me i you want play intelegint playlist press navi or no press other key
14:28:48TeamNoXgive it a stable version of rockbox?
14:29:10AlexPWhat version are you using now?
14:29:17TeamNoX.
14:29:21TeamNoX3.3
14:29:47AlexPI haven't heard any reports of lagging on the H300
14:29:57AlexPYou could try a current build
14:30:13TeamNoXwhats the diffrent to the 3.3 version
14:30:29AlexPWhere is it lagging? Playing music, browsing menus, browsing file tree etc.?
14:30:44timingAlexP: when he plays music
14:30:47timing14:26:18 < TeamNoX> depends on play music
14:31:18AlexPtiming: Sorry, I found it very difficult to understand him, so thought it best to lead him through to be sure
14:31:19timingdepends is exactly the wrong translation for: hangs or stall or freezes
14:31:26AlexPaaah
14:31:38timingthe other way around it translates correctly :-)
14:31:47AlexPTeamNoX: What do you mean by lagging playing music? Skipping?
14:32:04TeamNoXmom
14:33:16AlexPI don't know what that means I'm afraid
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14:34:45TeamNoXsometime if i want hear music i select the album or something like that and then the the rockbox tell me the question "if you want play intelegint playlist press navi or no press other key"
14:35:07TeamNoXand if i press the navi key then it freez
14:35:10AlexPI think you mean "erase dynamic playlist" ?
14:35:12TeamNoXi cant turn off the device
14:35:17TeamNoXyes
14:35:26TeamNoXdynamic
14:35:28AlexPWhat language are you working in?
14:35:33TeamNoXGerman
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14:36:39AlexPSo it hangs on that screen?
14:36:57TeamNoXyes
14:36:59AlexPIs there music playing at the time?
14:37:02TeamNoXno
14:37:26TeamNoXmhhhh maybe it plays music
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14:37:32TeamNoXat the time
14:37:35TeamNoXi dont know
14:37:44AlexPCan't you tell?
14:37:57AlexPi.e. is there sound coming out of the earphones?
14:38:00TeamNoXthe mistake calls not evereytime it is not so often
14:38:09TeamNoXno
14:38:14TeamNoXno sound after press navi key
14:38:33AlexPRight, but is there already music playing when you go to select a new track?
14:38:59TeamNoXmhhh i dont know :( i can try ist now
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14:41:34TeamNoXyes it is music by press the navi key but after press no music
14:43:04AlexPAnd it doesn't happen every time?
14:43:22TeamNoXnot everey time it freez
14:44:14AlexPsorry, I'm still not clear :)
14:44:21AlexPIt freezes everytime?
14:45:22TeamNoXno
14:45:59AlexPok
14:46:20AlexPDoes it freeze if you stop the music that is playing before you select a new track?
14:46:50TeamNoXthis i dont try it
14:47:15AlexPCan you?
14:47:16TeamNoXbut i think if i stop the track it wont get freete
14:47:18TeamNoXfreeze
14:47:23AlexPCould you check?
14:47:40TeamNoXmoment
14:48:32AlexPthanks :)
14:49:00TeamNoXno freeze then
14:49:14TeamNoXbut you must dont forget it freeze not evereytime ^^
14:49:45TeamNoXi coult freeze maybe if stop the track befor press the navi key tho choose dynamic playlist
14:50:51AlexPI would try a current build to see if that is better (Rockbox Utility can install it for you)
14:52:57TeamNoXokay thanks i ll try it
14:52:58TeamNoXbyebye
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15:00:59n1sJaykay: closed it, thanks
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15:11:42mcuelenaereLynx_: what touchscreen regions?
15:11:52 Part timing
15:14:37Lynx_mcuelenaere: for example in the while playing screen, where to touch to pause and so on
15:14:53mcuelenaereLynx_: http://rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWps
15:15:30mcuelenaereah wait, you mean you want to know how to do that? If so, I don't think it's implemented in the D2's WPS yet
15:16:19Lynx_mcuelenaere: i just want to know what the current settings are, i found out by mistake that upper left is pause in the wps, just wondering what else there is
15:16:39mcuelenaereLynx_: then you are in grid mode, there's also an absolute mode
15:16:58mcuelenaere(but I don't think the D2's WPS has touch regions to handle presses in absolute mode)
15:17:19Lynx_yeah, there are 6 grid squares, right?
15:17:27Lynx_erm, 9
15:17:32Lynx_3 x 3
15:17:52mcuelenaereYes, and the grid button -> action mapping is in apps/keymaps/keymap-touchscreen.c
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15:18:35mcuelenaerebut we're trying to get rid of the grid buttons and have 'real' touchscreen support
15:19:10Lynx_yeah, that would be better. i guess that needs to be written from the ground up, or is there a port with touchscreen support?
15:21:20mcuelenaereno, there is already some work for it in Rockbox; don't you know how to set absolute point mode?
15:22:13mcuelenaereSettings->General Settings->Display->Touchscreen Settings->Touchscreen Mode
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15:24:27Lynx_ah, nice
15:25:06Lynx_but there is no screen functions in the wps?
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15:29:21Marrvin_i think i just bricked my nano somehow, installed bootloader and latest build, everything went ok, could read database etc, but then after playing around in rockbox i shut it down and put on hold switch to use it in itunes again and connected it to my pc, it just froze, the apple showing, no backlight, and then the screen faded and the apple faded out
15:29:39Marrvin_tried to force a reboot with menu and select pressed but nothing
15:30:45GodEaterif you have bricked it Marrvin_ you're the first person ever to have done so
15:31:03Marrvin_well cool to hear :D
15:31:09GodEaterso I doubt you have
15:31:31TorneTurn hold on then off again, then hold menu + select for a substantial time
15:31:37Marrvin_i have had no problem with it before, just was tired of my old content and reset it, put in new content via itunes, then installed rockbox, everything was fine
15:31:38Tornelike, at least 30 seconds before you assume it's dead
15:31:54GodEaterMarrvin_: do what Torne suggests
15:32:17TorneThey do not always reboot equally willingly, and technically turning hold on then off is part of the incantation :)
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15:33:27TorneIf that doesn't work then leave hold on, plug it into power and leave it for a while as it may have decided its battery is dead (even if it's not)
15:34:23GodEatergod bless apple and their "special" bootloader
15:34:37TorneOne day I might try looking into that one too :)
15:34:53GodEaterthat would involve flashing new stuff to the ipod to fix it though
15:35:12GodEaterrather you than me
15:35:13*Torne is up for a laugh. :)
15:35:23GodEaterthen we really *might* be able to brick ipod
15:35:25GodEater+s
15:35:40TorneWe have plenty of solderless flash probes around the office
15:35:41Marrvin_no luck with hold on/off and holding for a lot of time, trying hold on and plugged to pc
15:35:56TorneMarrvin_: if it thinks it's gotten deep discharged you may need to leave it for hours
15:36:14Tornebut if that's the problem it will eventually power back up and boot into the apple firmware
15:37:19Marrvin_well it had a full charge so i guess it will take hours to discharge and halt the thing that has crashed
15:37:21Torneif that still doesn't work then my next guess would be your hardware has died and the timing is a coincidence. we're pretty certain rockbox can't actually brick it.
15:37:40TorneThere's no flash writing code for ipod.
15:38:13TorneMarrvin_: That shouldn't be the case; the reboot combination is handled in hardware I believe which should always respond no matter what is running on the CPU
15:38:23Torneit's an external reset
15:38:46Tornethe only time it won't that I know of is if the power controller thinks the battery is too dead to boot.
15:38:58Marrvin_ok, but that doesn't work this time, i've resetted it many times to get into apple fw and back to rockbox but this time it just halted
15:39:37TorneIndeed. Which is why my next guess is that your hardware is dead and it's just unfortunate timing, i'm afraid :)
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15:40:01Tornethe external reset should always work if you do it right and there is power, at least to get as far as showing the monochrome apple logo which is done in the ROM bootloader
15:40:03Marrvin_damn, well i guess i should have not tried the mpegplugin for the first time
15:40:25Torneonce again, there is nothing in rockbox that can cause the ipod to not even boot the flash bootloader
15:40:35Torne:)
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15:50:23Marrvin_it was a nice nano :)
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15:50:51Marrvin_served me well all these years, well i guess it was time for it to go
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15:54:37Lynx_mcuelenaere: in absolute mode, is there any way to forward or pause the song while playing?
15:55:08mcuelenaereLynx_: no, only the M:Robe 500 WPS has those functions IIRC, but you could port those over to the D2's WPS..
15:56:01Lynx_mcuelenaere: i think i prefer grid mode for now then. I'll tell you when i finished learning C and porting the functions over. won't be an hour ;).
15:56:12mcuelenaereit doesn't involve any C
15:58:05kkurbjunLynx, it's pretty simple to add the tags to a wps, see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS under Touchscreen tags
15:58:51Lynx_ah, it's all in the wps
15:59:17Lynx_your destroying my workday productivity ;)
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16:20:01Marrvin_btw can it be that the battery just got too old? or it should boot up when powered by usb even when the battery is dead?
16:23:15Lynx_kkurbjun, mcelenaere: simply tacking something like %T|282|202|37|37|play| at the end of the .wps file does not seem to work, did I miss something?
16:25:41TorneMarrvin_: not sure, but i think it will
16:28:48Marrvin_damn, will give it a nights charge, then it's time to open the sucker and see what's inside :D
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16:31:35Lynx_ah, had it in the wrong place, now it works. nice.
16:31:49saratogaMarrvin_: if you discharge the battery enough, some ipods won't boot even with USB plugged in
16:32:09saratogaif you leave them plugged in for a long time they eventually recover enough charge to boot up and mount as a USB device
16:32:52Zagorwhat happened with the CIA bot? it doesn't report commits anymore.
16:33:06saratogait stopped yesterday or the day before
16:33:57Zagorhas anyone seen if it works in other freenode channels?
16:34:03Zagori.e. is it us or them
16:34:47ZagorI've seen it workin in efnet today
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16:39:05linuxstbZagor: Who manages that for Rockbox? i.e. who has the login/password to CIA?
16:39:18Zagorseveral people, including me
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16:40:22*Zagor goes to look who :)
16:41:07Zagorscorche, mcuelenaere and me
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16:58:44Lynx_Does the progressbar touchscreen WPS action work on the D2? If I put %T|10|162|300|15|progressbar| into the .wps it does not get loaded anymore.
16:59:01Lynx_Is there a way to debug wps files?
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17:01:59mcuelenaereLynx_: you can debug wps's with the simulator (or checkwps, but I think that's broken atm)
17:02:17mcuelenaererockboxui −−debugwps
17:02:34n1steru: ay reason not to close fs#10435 if r 22082 fixed it?
17:05:13terun1s: there is one comment in that task. i think it would be better to respond before close it.
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17:08:41BdN3504i want to have a patch comitted to svn. would there be the possibility for me to post links to testbuilds for all currently supported targets to a developer who then posts them in the official test builds section of the forums?
17:09:15GodEaterwhich patch ?
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17:09:36GodEaterthat's useful
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17:10:00Lynx_hmm, ERR: Failed parsing on line 29 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 102: "No token"
17:10:00BdN3504fs 10187
17:10:14Lynx_I think volume and progressbar just don't work
17:10:43LambdaCalculus37BdN3504: The theme deleter patch?
17:10:49BdN3504^^
17:11:24webguest66Hello, I recently found a bug in the Sansa AMS rockbox build and was wondering how to report it.
17:11:43BdN3504i hope i am not getting on your nerves. if you tell me to "shut up, teru will commit when it's done!" i am ok with that
17:13:25BdN3504webguest66: if you downloaded it from the official test builds forum thread, then a bug report should go into that thread
17:13:43saratogawhat did you find anyway?
17:14:15mcuelenaereLynx_: have you updated to a recent SVN version?
17:14:19Tornejust telling us here would be a good start
17:16:04Lynx_mcuelenaere: no, I used r22056 with the SD driver from the SD testing build forum post
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17:17:36BdN3504on another note: i get alot of errors, when i compile a manual. in the end i have a pdf file that works fine and only lacks the toc. at first i only two errors at the beginning of the compilation process
17:18:28BdN3504asking me where my utf8.def file was. then another error related to that. and then at the credits all the names containing special characters.
17:19:02BdN3504i read up on how to install that. but i wonder what else do i need to compile a working manual without any errors?
17:19:49AlexPWhat distro?
17:20:04BdN3504i am using the vmware image
17:20:17AlexPSo debian then
17:20:20AlexPhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualHowto#Install_LaTeX
17:20:22BdN3504yep
17:20:32mcuelenaereLynx_: the progressbar & volume touch actions are in r22068
17:20:39BdN350410Q
17:20:40AlexPBdN3504: make sure those packages are installed
17:20:47BdN350410Q
17:20:49AlexPBdN3504: And use real words please
17:20:57Lynx_mcuelenaere: that explains it. will that version have the SD driver, too?
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17:22:38mcuelenaereLynx_: yes, as far as I can see that forum thread doesn't have any patches applied
17:22:52mcuelenaerethe build in that forum thread*
17:23:07Lynx_mcuelenaere: thank you :)
17:24:17Lynx_erm, can I download recent D2 builds somewhere?
17:24:49mcuelenaereLynx_: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-cowond2.zip
17:24:59mcuelenaereshould always be the latest revision
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17:36:08Lynx_mcuelenaere: that one makes the simulator crash upon playing a mp3, and gives an error 'no .rockbox dir' on the player. I think I'll stick with the older one and wait with the volume and progressbar :).
17:36:49mcuelenaerethat isn't a simulator build, but a target one
17:37:08Lynx_mcuelenaere: ah, I wasn't aware they differ.
17:37:26saratogaLynx_: you can't run ARM binaries on an Intel computer
17:37:38Lynx_If it is missing it's .rockbox dir maybe the SD driver is not active?
17:37:39mcuelenaeresaratoga: I think he tried running the simulator with ARM plugins
17:37:57Lynx_saratoga: yeah, it makes sense that the builds differ thinking about it.
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17:39:05mcuelenaereLynx_: could you post a diff on the patch tracker of your changes? They're probably usefull for others too
17:40:39Lynx_mcuelenaere: the wps changes? dunno if they'd be that useful, I didn't change the actual graphics, so prev, next, menu and browse are just areas you have to know about
17:40:56mcuelenaereah, you didn't add any touch areas?
17:41:10*mcuelenaere doesn't know the state of the D2's WPS
17:41:39Lynx_I did, to the cabbiev2 wps, but partly the have no visible reference in the graphics
17:41:57Lynx_only play, repmode and shuffle have an icon to click on
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17:46:33mmadiahowdy... has the CIA bot been fixed yet?
17:47:48mmadiaif not, the post-commit script needs to be updated to use 'http://cia.vc' instead of http://cia.navi.*
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17:49:35linuxstbSomeone needs to mention that to Zagor or Bagder when they're next online...
17:51:01GodEateror leave it in the logs
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17:55:40BdN3504http://tinyurl.com/ondaQ is this an onda vx 747/has it the same hw? it popped up to the search of "onda vx747" at amazon and has that omnious mega pack belonging to the ondas...
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17:57:25mcuelenaereBdN3504: I can perhaps tell you if you find a fw update for it
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18:12:09BdN3504mcuelenaere: so you put the emphasis on "perhaps"?
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18:21:41bertrikI'd like to add the samsung yp-s3 to tools/configure and the target tree
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18:26:15bertrikwhat are the latest conventions for the modelname and and target definitions?
18:26:42bertrikI could do modelname="yps3" and target="-DSAMSUNG_YPS3" for example
18:27:17JdGordon_sounds good..
18:28:05bertrikand put the yps3 target at number 143 under the other samsungs (although it's a different SoC)
18:28:29bertriknumber 143 when running tools/configure I mean
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18:33:14n1ssounds good to me
18:34:38bertrikok, I think I'll start adding it tonight or tomorrow night
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18:42:16mcuelenaereBdN3504 (logs): nope, this one isn't compatible; it has a Rockchip as SoC
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18:45:18BdN3504thanks for the information! when will you post another onda rockbox video?
18:46:01mcuelenaereI can make one if you want to, but it doesn't differ much from other Rockbox videos..
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18:49:21BdN3504i just thought it was nice to see the development. the difference bewtween the port status of the device in the video you did a year ago and the second one is huge, which impressed me greatly.
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18:50:24bertrikit seems the yp-s3 can use DMA to do the lcd_update, which would be nice...
18:50:39bertrikbut I think it can only do full line updates in that case
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19:16:25saratogaclip plugins should use menu to exit, right?
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19:18:13bertrikI don't know if a rule for that is already established
19:18:35bertrikwhat button is menu anyway? do you mean the home button?
19:18:42saratogai was going to commit "FS #10473 - Use menu to exit brickmania on Clip intead of power"
19:18:45saratogayes its the home one
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19:23:13saratogaunless some one complains I'm going commit, home seems more sensible to me anyway
19:26:46saratogaactually power seems tobe used for most things
19:26:51saratogaerr most plugings
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19:32:43JdGordon|saratoga: power is probably from the target they were copied from... the c200 i tihnk?
19:32:55JdGordon|home is definelty less anonying than power
19:33:46*LambdaCalculus37 agrees with JdGordon|
19:34:07saratogaso they should all be changed?
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19:36:44bertrikI prefer home over power too
19:37:01saratogai'll put that in the task then
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19:56:58ballIs there an alternative to ipodpatcher on Linux?
19:57:26Mikachucat
19:57:55ballI managed to brick my iPod Mini (1st generation)
19:58:05Mikachuyou can't boot emergency disk mode?
19:58:30ballYes, I can do that.
19:58:37Mikachuthen it isn't bricked ;)
19:58:44ballThat's good to hear :-)
19:59:12Mikachuwhat did you do when you broke it?
19:59:29ballmkfs.msdos ;-)
19:59:40Mikachuheh
19:59:50Mikachuso you didn't break the bootloader then?
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20:00:19ballNo, but it's not finding the "firmware" when it boots
20:00:30Mikachuassuming you formatted it correctly, you should be able to just unzip a rockbox.zip on it
20:00:55ballHmm... let me try that again, just in case
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20:01:25Mikachusee also http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore
20:01:34Mikachubut start at step 7
20:02:24ballyay!
20:02:32Mikachulong story short, mkfs.vfat -F 32
20:02:44ballI wonder what I did wrong the first time I unzipped that
20:02:49ballI'm on Rockbox 3.3 now
20:03:18Mikachuno idea, i can think of many ways to do something wrong ;)
20:03:55ballI *love* RockBox
20:04:18ballI use my iPod a lot and listen to podcasts for much of the day.
20:04:31ball...Where possible, I get them in Ogg/Vorbis format
20:04:42ball...Rockbox lets me play that on my iPod
20:04:48ball...without messing with iTunes
20:04:54ball(I don't run Windows)
20:04:55Mikachuyes, i know all this
20:04:56Mikachu:)
20:05:24*ball grins
20:05:41ballIs Rockbox available as a stand-alone app for Linux?
20:05:53Mikachu"yes", you can use the simulator
20:05:53ball...or only on physical players?
20:06:10Mikachubut that's mostly for debugging
20:06:48Unhelpfulball: you can use a simulator, which pretends to be a specific hardware player in a window. it's not remotely like a good replacement for even the worst pc music players. :)
20:08:11*ball grins
20:08:24ballLooks as though that's for Windows anyway.
20:09:17Unhelpfulyou're welcome to build your own simulator. building binaries that can be expected to run for most linux users is a pain. :P
20:09:31pixelmanope, it's only that the ready built downloadable ones are for Windowa
20:09:36pixelmaor Windows
20:10:54pixelmayou can build a simulator which runs under Linux yourself
20:14:01ballThanks
20:14:09ballI may give that a go at some point.
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21:25:46j8048188has anyone had luck with drm-crippled playback in the OF after installing rockbox on the AMS Sansas?
21:26:27j8048188my public library offers e-audiobooks for free, but they have DRM
21:27:00bertrikno, there have been reports of DRM stopping to work after installing rockbox on the ams sansas
21:27:17j8048188ok
21:27:28bertrikif it's free, you could just try and see what happens
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21:28:05j8048188yes
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21:28:20bertrikearlier in the port we didn't quite understand how the internal clock was synchronised to actual time, which caused it to be reset to a default value
21:28:40bertrikthis may also have caused the loss of DRM
21:28:55j8048188ok
21:29:02j8048188thanks for the explaination
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21:29:33j8048188also, thank you everyone for your work on this wonderful project
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21:29:36bertrikbut we understand now how the internal clock works so it should no longer get reset after installing rockbox
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21:36:50bertrikwhat is MODEL_NUMBER in the config-<target>.h files?
21:37:02n1sZagor: just curious, did you measure any speedup from -pipe?
21:37:04bertrikit's not the number you choose when running tools/configure
21:37:23bertrikalso not the target_id in tools/configure
21:37:23n1sbertrik: i think it's a bootloader and rolo thing
21:37:37n1sit's quite a mess really
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21:39:13JdGordon|bertrik: is it in config.h ?
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21:39:42JdGordon|otherwsie i think its just a simple thing to stop you trying to run a build from a different model on your target
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21:40:56bertrikJdGordon, looking at config-e200.h, I can't find the model number in config.h
21:41:22Zagorn1s: the speed is pretty much the same
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21:42:02gevaertsI guess it's mostly just a lot easier to clean up temporary files if they don't get created in the first place
21:42:36Zagorexactly
21:42:57bertrikI think I'll choose number ... 53 ! it's a bit similar to the S3 from the model number YP-S3
21:43:13JdGordon|just make sure its unique!
21:43:18bertrikit is
21:43:32JdGordon|and you chose 53....
21:43:41JdGordon|that sure says alot about... umm...
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22:11:33itsjustmehello
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22:12:18itsjustmesansa fuse
22:12:21itsjustme?
22:13:32pixelmaif you have a question, it might help us to understand it if you speak in complete sentences
22:14:31itsjustmecan you send me the link to current projects they are working on lke the sansa fuse
22:15:17GodEater"current projects" ?
22:15:42itsjustme like the new devices they are working on
22:15:44bertrikthere is a link right on the rockbox home page ("status for current and work-in-progress targets")
22:15:50itsjustmeok
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22:32:06miner49erhey, is Jens here?
22:32:33JdGordon|he's cylcing around Germany iirc....
22:32:35miner49erI bought a new MMC card for my Ondio and he reckoned he'd got the one I sent him working...I can't though
22:32:41miner49erOh
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22:33:10JdGordon|ping pixelma for when he's expected back...
22:33:29miner49erHas anyone else managed to a get 4Gig Transcend MMC card working with an Ondio?
22:33:35LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Ping
22:33:50linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: pong
22:34:13LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: What can I run on a nano2g?
22:34:21*LambdaCalculus37 finally got code running on it
22:34:41linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Not a lot... My tree is a mess at the moment, and I'm working on my new 120GB Classic.
22:34:44miner49erPing? I don't know his Ip address...(!) - I'm guessing it's IRC speak?
22:35:13LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I uploaded bootloader.bin to my nano; all it does is the tick count and GPIO values.
22:35:34bertrikand the logo I suppose?
22:35:46gevaertsminer49er: read up a few lines for an example
22:35:53JdGordon|miner49er: you are one of probably 3 people on the planet still using an ondio, so no.. I dont think anyone online atm has..
22:36:24Bagdercheck! miner49er, amiconn and pixelma makes 3 ;-)
22:36:39LambdaCalculus37bertrik: No logo.
22:37:05miner49eroh well. I also have an IH320 and an JBR I just really want to get this working (Oh, also have a nano as well!)
22:37:21BagderI wouldn't be surprised if there's a magic limit at 2GB MMC
22:37:36LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: What bootloader file displays the Rockbox logo?
22:38:07bertrikLambdaCalculus37, I just assumed all bootloaders on color targets displayed a logo
22:38:15miner49er@Badger - no, the original firmware picks it up but my damn tunes are in OGG!
22:38:25LambdaCalculus37bertrik: I thought so too.
22:38:26Bagderah, haha
22:38:42Bagderondio wants mp3
22:38:52miner49erPlus, Jens assured me he had th one I sent him working albiet with a caveat
22:39:04miner49eryes, the original f/w sucks
22:41:38linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Just add a call to show_logo() in bootloader/ipodnano2g.c
22:44:31miner49erwell, I
22:44:40miner49er'll give up on it for now then, thanks bye!
22:44:56pixelmaminer49er: what's your problem currently?
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22:45:13pixelmadamn
22:45:24LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Line 51 of bootloader/ipodnano2g.c mentions show_logo(void);
22:46:20pixelmaBagder: 4GB MMC work with the Ondio in Rockbox, amiconn and me both have one
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22:46:58Bagderapparently in the OF too miner49er said
22:47:50pixelmathat would surprise me, as far as I know it didn't even cope with some 1GB cards
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22:51:11LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: Do you have a bootloader that displays the logo? Mine's not working quite right.
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22:56:53tottto-drummondcan someone help me
22:57:25tottto-drummondI'm trying to install rockbox on my sansa e200. my pc is running with ubuntu 9.04
22:57:35linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: Not to hand no. Try deleting all the lines in ipodnano2g.c from "lcd_puts_scroll" to the "}" at the end of the while loop (inclusive), and then add the three lines "show_logo();", "lcd_update();" and "while(1);"
22:57:47bertriktottto-drummond, what version if the original firmware?
22:58:07tottto-drummondon the sansa ?
22:58:42Jaykayyes...
22:58:43bertrikyes. The firmware version tells us more about the actual hardware inside the player.
22:59:37tottto-drummondv03.01 16a
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23:00:01saratogathats unsupported here, but you can find instructions on our wiki if you'd like to test it
23:00:16tottto-drummondok what s the url
23:00:31saratogaits the SansaAMS page in the wiki
23:02:04tottto-drummondI get a .. Your search returned no results
23:02:39Jaykayhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaAMS
23:03:25saratogathats the actual page, you don't need to search ;)
23:03:36tottto-drummondthanks
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23:20:50bertriklinuxstb, are interrupts making sense yet on the nano2g?
23:21:14linuxstbbertrik: I haven't done anything more after I managed to get timerb firing the timera interrupt.
23:23:41bertrikok
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23:26:20LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I tried your solution above to get a logo, but instead what it does is give me a Dali-esque display on my nano.
23:27:13linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: OK. Things aren't too reliable yet...
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23:41:46LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: What LCD type is your nano?
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23:42:24BdN3504manual building/meeting prerequisits help: when i try apt-get install tetex-base tetex-bin tetex-extra latex-ucs tex4ht
23:42:42linuxstbLambdaCalculus37: The "0/1" type I think. (based on the values of LCDDetect0 and LCDDetect1 in the diagnostics screens)
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23:42:57BdN3504i get: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
23:43:06BdN3504requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
23:43:13BdN3504distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
23:43:25BdN3504or been moved out of Incoming.
23:43:36BdN3504The following packages have unmet dependencies:
23:43:37ZagorBdN3504: are you using sid/unstable?
23:43:38linuxstbBdN3504: That's a debian question...
23:43:55BdN3504 tetex-bin: Depends: libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1 is to be installed
23:43:59taraskostiakhi. any chance for iRiver X20 port soon? :)
23:44:45krazykittaraskostiak, no one is working on one, so "no, not really"
23:44:49BdN3504i am using the debian vmware image provided on the wiki
23:45:06aaron424taraskostiak: that depends. can you begin work on one or know anyone who can?
23:45:09BdN3504and i used that apt get command, which is provided in the manual howto
23:45:19BdN3504so i thought it might be ok to ask here...
23:45:27BdN3504sorry :(
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23:48:31funmanBdN3504: try "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
23:49:42LambdaCalculus37linuxstb: I also have "0/1".
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