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#rockbox log for 2009-07-31

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00:49:57BdN3504could you name a tool which could handle the task of recursingly copying files from my gigabeat f onto a mac book pro hd by parsing a playlist on the player?
00:50:11BdN3504recursively... sorry
00:50:30krazykitthat's not rockbox-related, thus offtopic
00:51:22BdN3504i kinda expected that... thought i'd ask anyway. thanks for the reply
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01:11:04saratogafunman: (for the logs) do you expect to need more SD card clock measurements for AMS? I'm debating putting my e200v2 back together this weekend before i lose the pieces
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02:26:20Bad_Religioni have a question about installing rockbox on sansa e200 v2 series...
02:27:12Bad_Religiondo I just use this build? http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-sansae200.zip
02:27:31Bad_Religionor is there a svn repository that I just need to know about and use from?
02:28:31Bad_Religionnvm im feeling an rtfm moment...
02:28:58oboThat's the build for the e200 v1. There is a build in the forums, under official test builds. The v2 isn't finished/supported yet
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02:32:50Bad_Religionok thanks, i would like to try it even if its buggy on the v2....do you happen to know if its even functional
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02:33:06Bad_Religionfrom perusing the latest pages of the dev forum it appears to be mostly functional
02:33:15Bad_Religionor sounds to be rather...
02:33:51ej0rgeBad_Religion: it's mostly functional. But be warned that the storage driver still needs work, so it may corrupt your music and/or itself
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02:34:42ej0rgeBad_Religion: I can't say for sure whether the current build will or won't have filesystem corruption problems or whether future builds will be better or worse. Just that that component is in a state of flux, and having to reboot to the OF and reformat has been common in the recent past
02:35:23ej0rgeBad_Religion: in general it's usable, just don't be surprised if you experience filesystem corruption
02:36:24ej0rgeBad_Religion: best idea is to look at the official test build thread and see if it sounds like something you're up for
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02:50:31Bad_Religionim up for it! I'm not knowledgeable enough in this level of programming etc to be of use in development aside from being a lab rat
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02:50:59Bad_Religionam also very aware of the risks that I am taking
02:51:14Bad_Religionlastly I'm a network/system admin so you better believe I have backups!
02:51:25Bad_Religionej0rge: thanks
02:54:58ej0rgeno problem
02:58:06Bad_Religionassuming no (since its not in the tutorial) is there any reason to format/wipe the device before installing rockbox?
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03:02:03Bad_Religionnvm i just went for it :)
03:02:54Bad_Religionits so beautiful.....so far!
03:04:49Bad_Religionhey...its playing songs and found all my music I'm happy enough with that. I can control volume... the basics seem to be working
03:05:21ej0rgeyeah - some people have trouble on some builds with doing things like building the database, deleting a whole directory, etc
03:05:40ej0rgenormal playback is working just fine
03:05:54Bad_Religioni see
03:06:16Bad_Religionhonestly i feel its worth it to me...just to get the better interface
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03:10:12ej0rgeyeah we're all fans of rockbox here :)
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04:23:26nosa-j0o
04:24:11nosa-jhow is the ipod nano chronomatic comeing have thay had any luck runing lunix on it yet?
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04:41:48tmztnosa-j: this is the rockbox channel, please read the topic
04:41:59tmztlunix on runs on c-64s
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04:54:41nosa-j oh i read the topic but useually linux comes first ?
04:54:54nosa-jmaby i should went to ipodlunix chat :D
04:54:57nosa-jlinux*
04:55:05nosa-jsorry im dislexic
04:59:14krazykitno, it usually doesn't, if you look at the majority of rockbox ports.
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05:00:00nosa-joh well thats really good to know i love rockbox
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05:00:43Rasihi
05:00:49Rasijust checked the wiki page for the e260v2
05:00:58Rasiwhat does the usb: no mean exactly
05:01:07Rasithat i cannot store music on the device in rockbox mode?
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05:10:23tmztit will have to reboot to OF to copy music
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06:16:35sinthetekany idea why 'set track rating' would disappear from the wps context menu?
06:17:01sinthetekthe last few times i went to rate a track it was just gone
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06:22:12sintheteki checked to make sure the tracks in question were in the db and that the 'user rating' db field was still there/working
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06:35:35sinthetekbah! got it to show up but now it just says 'no data' when i select it :P
06:37:42sinthetekweak! now it looks like all of my old ratings are gone
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06:48:49PSPdemonout of curiosity ( not a request ) has anyone looked into the ChinaChip C1600 based devices?
06:50:58PSPdemonChinapChip CC1600*
06:51:00PSPdemonsorry
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08:24:53Dhraakellian*PANIC* flush_fat_sector() - C,pld n,t wryt. s.ct,r 729 (error -101)
08:25:22Dhraakellianwhen I tried to delete a midi file from the internal storage of my 8GB fuze
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08:26:14Dhraakellianr22059
08:26:40Mikachuah, the old welsh memory corruption bug
08:26:46Dhraakellianwell, 22059m, but the only difference is a one-liner sudoku patch
08:26:50Mikachu(joke)
08:27:38LinusNDhraakellian: time to perform a scandisk
08:27:45Dhraakellianhttp://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Minstrel_Boy <−−it was a midi file of that, found via wikipedia
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08:27:51Dhraakellian</off-topic>
08:27:57DhraakellianLinusN: fsck that
08:28:02LinusN:-)
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08:28:31Dhraakellianspeaking of that sudoku patch...
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08:30:41Dhraakellianhttp://pastebin.ca/1513304
08:32:28Dhraakellianthe file appears to be gone
08:34:36Mikachuremember that fsck doesn't actually do anything if you don't specify -r or -a
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08:36:12Dhraakellianah
08:38:19Dhraakellianand I think I remember getting stuff like that right after a format from the OF
08:45:53DhraakellianI think I like having the scratchpad button as just Select on the Fuze
08:46:24Dhraakellianof course, I still try to enter the menu with select occasionally, since that's the key used on the e200
08:46:57Dhraakellianbut even so, I think select is better than select+up
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08:53:57Dhraakellianhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10459
08:59:54Tohi, tried the unbrick routine yesterday on my Sansa E260. It formats but hangs in the writing image step. My device boots, but seems to be in read-only mode. Nothing can be saved, deleted or formated.
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09:13:46To:( I guess this problem is unsolvable. Is it possible to replace internal memory?
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09:27:50ToI bought a clipv2 that appeared to be not working for rockbox (yet) and bought a refurbished E260v1 for Rockbox and had the pleasure of 10 minutes playing with it. Sorry to bother everyone with my rambling.. need to get some frustration out :( Spent a lot of time on finding a solution, but it might be better to throw away the damn thing because it is damaged beyond repair...
09:32:24funmanTo: just browse the wiki, afaik the e200v1 is unbrickable
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09:35:10Tofunman: I have done that and I think I have done everything that is written somewhere. technically my e200v1 is probably not a brick (i can boot the OF). I am beginning to think the memory is corrupt.
09:35:35funmanso if the OF boots, what is the problem ?
09:35:59Toi can't read or write anything. even formating is impossible
09:37:23Tosorry I can read of course...
09:37:46funmanif you can't format from the OF then yes it may be broken
09:38:49Tois there a hardware fix you can think of?
09:41:19funmanno, and this is not on topic on #rockbox , you can go to #rockbox-community for this
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09:46:33ToOk, thanks for your help.
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10:37:43sintheteki got the ratings to work again by tinkering with the db settings but as soon as i rebooted it started doing the same thing again :(
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12:34:18xavieranIs it wise to use a symbolic link from my simdisk dir to point to my DAP mountpoint?
12:34:49xavieranno it's not
12:34:52xavierannvm
12:35:03AsaelReiterIts not emulator
12:35:15xavieranAsaelReiter: I just remembered :|
12:35:50xavieranI'll just link my Music, and Code dir then...
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13:17:05pyro_maniaccan somebody tell me where AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO gets defined / has to be defined?
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13:22:26mcuelenaerepyro_maniac: grep -R AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO firmware/*
13:24:03pyro_maniacmcuelenaere: did this already but there is no define
13:24:23pyro_maniacor missed i something?
13:24:54mcuelenaereit seems to be an enum in firmware/export/audio.h
13:25:12mcuelenaeremember of an enum*
13:45:09pyro_maniaci try to add fmradio support for samsung yh devices but apps/recorder/radio.c didn't compile because AUDIO_SRC_FMRADIO is not declared in line 522
13:46:04mcuelenaereit seems to depend on HAVE_FMRADIO_IN_
13:46:14mcuelenaereyou've probably forgot to define something in your config
13:46:47linuxstbYou need to include SRC_CAP_FMRADIO in INPUT_SRC_CAPS in your target config I think.
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13:51:21pyro_maniacthx, thats what i missed
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16:00:40funmansaratoga: I think now we are sure that pclk is used as the card clock on Sansa AMS, so I don't think we need to make other measurements
16:01:09funmanI received today a µSD card which exhibits errors in SD driver
16:01:40gevaertssend it back! You want things to work!
16:02:04funmanDATA CRC FAIL when deleting a directory for example
16:02:28funmanit is a transcend microSDHC 4GB class 6
16:02:52funmangevaerts: I wanted the bugs to work, so i'm happy ;)
16:11:28Rasithank you guys for this miracle (e260v2)
16:11:39Rasii remember watching the thread one year ago where all looked hopeless
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18:51:35Xpistos|workIs there any plans to open Rockbox support up further for irivers. My E100 needs rockbox badly!
18:55:01advcomp2019Xpistos|work, there are no plan.. it is up to the people that can program
18:55:23*Xpistos|work is sad.
18:55:28Xpistos|workOkay. Thanks for the info.
18:55:45Xpistos|workI guess I have to campain for it. I love the player, hate the firmware
18:56:08Mikachuthere's not really much you can do unless you plan to code it yourself
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18:58:24JdGordon|crack the firmware encryption and there is a good chance of a port
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18:58:48n00b81Does anyone have an idea what encryption they are using?
18:59:28JdGordon|nup
18:59:37Xpistos|workI am not a programmer so i just have to use my charm to get it done. So basically I am SOL!
18:59:41Xpistos|workThanks for the info again.
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19:29:20sinthetekany hints on why 'set song rating' would simply display "<no info>" and/or how to avoid it?
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19:30:20sintheteki managed to get them working again by re-initializing and updating the db last night but when i rebooted it started doing the same thing again
19:30:38sinthetek(and the same work-around didn't work the 2nd time)
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19:41:48pixelmaI would expect that if you initialised again and did not export and reimport your runtime data then the rating info is lost. For ratings to work you need to have "gather runtime data" enabled (and I think there was something about the first song not working or only after stopping it or so, not sure), that's about all I know as I don't use the feature
19:55:24bertrikdoes %b work in rockbox s(n)printf?
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19:56:43bertrikno, it won't
19:58:55Munkcan someone help me I am trying to install rockbox on my 5th generation ipod on a mac and I've done the formatting so now it is FAT32 but when I run rockbox it says it is a macpod and can't install
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20:01:04linuxstbMunk: How did you "do the formatting" ? Did you follow the instructions on the Rockbox wiki?
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20:01:14Munkyea
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20:01:51linuxstbAnd when you say "when I run rockbox", do you mean when you run Rockbox Utility (the installer) ?
20:02:17linuxstbMunk: But it sounds like you didn't do the conversion properly. What instructions did you follow?
20:02:24MunkYea but it says it specificaly when i try to run the bootloader
20:02:32Munkinstall
20:02:34Munknot run
20:02:38Munki mean
20:02:51Munkhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32
20:02:53Munki followed these
20:03:40linuxstbHmm I seem to recall a bug report about this.... Try running ipodpatcher instead of Rockbox Utility - ipodpatcher in an alternative program to install the bootloader.
20:03:59Munkok
20:04:03linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/macosx/ipodpatcher.dmg
20:04:15linuxstbJust download it, open it, then double-click on "ipodpatcher".
20:05:48Munkseems to be working...
20:06:07Munkworked :D
20:06:47MunkDo i use the rockbox program to install the files now?
20:06:51linuxstbOK. Seems you've hit the same bug as reported here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9833
20:07:04linuxstbYes, Rockbox Utility should be able to continue now (I hope...)
20:09:14MunkGot it installed thanks for the help!!
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20:25:24pixelmaTo: just reading backlogs and remembered something that could cause weird effects and that seems to happen on e200s a lot. Sometimes the internal memories needs reseating, I believe there is something in the forums about it and I'm trying to remember who could be around and also reported it (evilnick_home?) - I don't even have an e200 so can only repeat what I read
20:26:28pixelmaI am not sure abour the symptoms but they could be quite different on a case by case basis, I imagine
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20:31:19Topixelma: interesting.. what do you mean with reseating? getting the memory out and place it again?
20:32:06tmztit's on a card
20:32:11Dhraakellianresetting?
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20:33:49linuxstbDhraakellian: No, re-seating. As To said, removing it and putting it back in.
20:35:01pixelmasomething like this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18712.0 it seems like pushing it down again is enough
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20:39:11Topixelma: thanks a lot! I think I will roll up my sleeves and see what is inside the bastard... :)
20:39:51pixelmahope it helps...
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20:54:06Quelsarukhi
20:54:50Bagderlong time no Quelsaruk !
20:56:34Quelsaruk:) it's nice to see so many known people here
20:59:57PSPdemonout of curiosity ( not a request...just curious )... has anyone looked into ChinaChip CC1600 based devices?
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21:01:34BagderPSPdemon: mcuelenaere is our chineese chip expert, he might have some clues
21:01:51linuxstbAnd our wiki knows something - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ChinaChip
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21:01:55PSPdemonahh, thanks :)
21:02:22Quelsarukbye! and keep rockboxing :)
21:02:26linuxstbBagder: Hi. Do you have a few minutes to fix the pp-bootloaders on the download server? They're in the wrong place...
21:02:36Bagderthat lazy zagor...
21:02:41mc2739Bagder: not sure if you saw this from July 29: <mmadia> howdy... has the CIA bot been fixed yet? <mmadia> if not, the post-commit script needs to be updated to use 'http://cia.vc' instead of http://cia.navi.*
21:02:49linuxstbBagder: I know, you can't trust brothers...
21:02:54BagderI didn't put them there because I think the path situation is confused
21:03:05Bagderand I was thinking about how it should be
21:03:15Bagderbut I never completed that thinking
21:03:21linuxstbWell, if you change the paths, you'll break various things...
21:03:31Bagderyeah, true
21:03:34linuxstbWhat do you think is wrong/
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21:05:04linuxstbmc2739: I _think_ Zagor saw that, but no-one has committed anything recently...
21:05:16Bagdersince we're doing a combined 6.0 release for them, it just made me aware that they are very scattered
21:05:30Bagderbut I can ignore that
21:05:43linuxstbThat's easiest.
21:05:49BagderI'll try to move them around later tonight
21:05:58sinthetekpixelma i figured that much out already, hehe. oddly enough when i rebooted again it started working again...not sure what the problem is. next time it happens i will try rebooting a couple of times and see if it helps fix it
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21:19:15saratogathat doom dataabort on the tracker looks to me to be in malloc()
21:19:25saratogathough i can't say for sure since i don't have exactly the same build
21:19:35saratogai wonder why malloc would cause problems on AMS but not other targets
21:22:00JdGordon|low mem?
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21:30:23linuxstbAh, the fuze and e200v2 only have 8MB RAM?
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21:30:58JdGordon|an excuse to disable doom?!
21:32:31linuxstbAnd/or add error-checking to doom...
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21:35:39PSPdemonlinuxstb, how much did e200v1's have? ( ive thought they had 32mb's for some reason )
21:35:46linuxstbsaratoga: Are you talking about the Z_Malloc() function?
21:35:51linuxstbPSPdemon: Yes, I think they do.
21:36:13saratogalinuxstb: correct
21:36:23saratogadoes DOOM grab the codec buffer?
21:36:44PSPdemonodd... wonder why v2's would have 8mb's...
21:37:06linuxstbPSPdemon: Completely different hardware.
21:37:43PSPdemonwell yea, but there no real reason to have 32mb in their first model then 8mb in their second
21:38:07JdGordon|8mb chips are cheaper and the flash targets dont really need 32mb...
21:38:52PSPdemonheh
21:39:01PSPdemoni would have figured by now that 32mb chips would have cost the same as 8b chips now
21:40:28PSPdemonthough im doing that guess by the ussual harddrive prices lol
21:40:37saratogathey don't make 8MB SDRAM chips anymore, so they couldn't use them on the old Sansas
21:40:43PSPdemonnot the same as chips...
21:41:01saratogahmm or maybe they do
21:41:14linuxstbIs it even a separate chip, or embedded in the SoC?
21:41:14saratogahow much does the e200v2 have
21:41:27saratogai think on the e200v2 its a seperate chip
21:43:02PSPdemonmaybe i should ask for that broken e200v2...
21:43:18PSPdemon( screen broken )
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21:45:00saratogayeah I'm wrong, the e200v2 does have an external 8MB SDRAM
21:46:42saratogaheh and at 133MHz, it clocks at 2x the speed of the internal IRAM
21:46:45mcuelenaerePSPdemon: I only know some newer Chinese DAP's run it
21:46:58mcuelenaerebut I haven't seen any documentation of it, I think it's an Ingenic chip though
21:47:12PSPdemonyea
21:47:17PSPdemonIngenic Chip
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21:50:26mcuelenaerePSPdemon: do you have a player with such a chip?
21:50:34PSPdemonwill soon
21:50:44PSPdemonOnda VX797HD
21:51:20PSPdemonits the cheapest pdf reader i can find ( that can play other things too :P )
21:51:40mcuelenaeregtg now though
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21:51:52PSPdemonheh alrighty
21:51:54PSPdemontake care
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21:58:04FlynDicesaratoga: Where do you find the 133MHz for the e200v2 SDRAM?
21:58:52saratogaFlynDice: its here http://www.samsung.com/global/system/business/semiconductor/product/2007/6/11/Sync_AsyncDRAM/SDRSDRAM/Component/64Mbit/K4S640832K/ds_k4s64xx32k_rev11.pdf
21:59:16FlynDicesaratoga: Thanks...
21:59:19saratogathe specific model is printed on the chip itself and corrisponds to the 133x16 bit configuration
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22:03:45Topixelma: tried the memory reseating, didn't work. I hope the ebay salesman is a nice guy and will repair it eventhough rockbox is installed.
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22:43:30JdGordon|... friendly reminder for everyone to GO VOTE!!!! I tihnk only 4 people have sent votes in...
22:45:58Mikachuabout what?
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22:51:34weezerlehi there i love and use rockbox on my ipod 5.5g but i want to buy a new mp3-player, what models with hdd can u recommend me if i want a lot of disk-space and to use rockbox again?
22:51:57Mikachuwhy don't you like the ipod?
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22:53:38weezerleMikachu: its broken. maybe its just the harddrive, i'll try a new one next week, but i case i couldnt repair it i want to buy another player, but the newer ipods wouldnt work with rockbox as far as i know...
22:53:46Mikachuah
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22:57:36JdGordon|weezerle: if you want big disk your pretty much out of luck on anything new... your best bet is another ipod vid...
22:59:14weezerleJdGordon|: i thought so, i hope i can repair this one. instead i'll try a used one from ebay...
22:59:54weezerlethx
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