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#rockbox log for 2009-08-09

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00:20:10burdenhello, I need help syncing my rockboxed iPod video.
00:20:29burdenI use songbird to manage all my music in one folder and it is organized the way I like it
00:20:47burdenand all I want to do is keep that folder on my comp synced w/ my iPod
00:21:00burdenwhen I add or delete stuff from that folder, I want it to do the same on my iPod folder
00:21:14burdenessentially, I want it to keep a copy of that folder on my iPod
00:21:15Mikachuman rsync
00:21:24burdenis that the best program?
00:21:32burdenthat is the only thing I want it to do
00:21:43Mikachuthat is basically the only thing rsync does
00:22:07burdenok cool
00:22:09burdenthanks
00:22:36burdenis it for windows xp?
00:22:38Mikachuno
00:24:25burdenit says on the tools website that it is for windows
00:28:46Mikachuit works on windows but it's not specifically for windows
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00:29:39burdenwhat about treeComp?
00:29:41burdenis that good?
00:29:49Mikachuno idea, i haven't used windows in years
00:29:55GodEaternone of these questions are about Rockbox really
00:30:10burdenits generalized at rockbox however
00:30:10GodEaterhow you sync your music is a personal choice that Rockbox doesn't get in the way of
00:31:12burdenyes, but because I am using rockbox, I have to use an ulternate sync method, therefore this question is about rockbox
00:32:26GodEaterwhy do you have to use an alternate sync method ?
00:33:00burdenbecause copy paste every time I change my library is inneficient
00:33:11burdenand songbird doesn't sync .flac
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00:33:30gevaertssounds like a bug in songbird
00:33:30Mikachui would say the ipod is the alternate method
00:34:07burdenits not a bug in songbird, songbird works flawlessly with the orginal iPod firmware
00:34:19burdenand what do you mean that the iPod is the alternate method?
00:34:38GodEaterwell it wouldn't sync .flac with the original firmware, so I doubt that
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00:34:46Mikachusyncing with rockbox is completely generic, it's just a directory
00:34:47GodEatersince the original firmware doesn't play .flac
00:34:59burdenwell, the original iPod firmware doesn't support flac so naturally it wouldn't sync it
00:35:05Mikachubut you need to do a lot of specialized stuff to sync with an ipod
00:35:11burdenyes, I know
00:35:23gevaertsburden: well, there are dozens of syncing tools around, you can't expect us to have an opinion on them all
00:35:24burdenbut I have my library organized in the wya I want it
00:35:37burdenwell do u guys know of a good one/
00:35:38burden?
00:35:53*GodEater finds copy to be just fine
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00:36:12burdenfor windows that just syncs 2 folders? One is the copy and the other is the original directory
00:36:22GodEaterI hear tell MediaMonkey has fans amongst window users
00:36:33GodEatercan't speak personally though
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00:41:35CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r22212): Change regex to split
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00:41:51GodEaterbye then
00:44:22CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r22213): Better disconnect handling. Added compiler segfault detection.
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00:46:20perahello, I've a problem: my sansa clip is hang, is there some way to turn it off?
00:47:38gevaertspera: I think holding power for a while should do it
00:48:26perahaha yup I realized now
00:48:32perathanks gevaerts =)
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01:27:56peraAnother question: I'm trying to compile sim, but I get an error on make: http://pastebin.com/m4b525cc4
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01:32:14peraI forget to do make clean :$ now works
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01:57:51pixelmaZagor: is it normal that the client is doing test bilds all the time? It somehow disconnects in between some builds too, quite regularly
01:58:12Zagoryes, it is normal. I'm running bestfit tests right now.
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02:01:42pixelmaare the disconnects ok too?
02:02:46Zagoryes, that is when I restart the server to run a new modification
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02:04:19pixelmaok, I wonder if there was a way to inform people. I first thought something has been messed up again, so looked around for some info... ;)
02:04:55Zagorthe server says "Server message: New bestfit test round started." at the start of each test round.
02:06:02pixelmaI read that but it's quite hidden among the other info and after last weekend I had some doubts if it should run constantly ;)
02:06:42Zagorhehe. asking never hurts. but now I'm off to bed so the clients can rest a bit.
02:07:12pixelmagod natt
02:07:39Zagordetsamma
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04:20:14TruthTacoHi, im trying to add a patch to rockbox, ive been following this guide http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling and ive gotten to the adding patch part and im missing something
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04:47:05Blue_DudeDSP functionality added to test_codec at FS #10502. Try it.
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05:21:00CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22214): Rockboy: Significantly reduce the number of palette updates, add support for hardware palette mode, screen can now be rotated left or right.
05:34:37JohnTeddy Where is the Buyers guide?
05:35:56CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22215): Rockboy: Cleanup red
05:36:28TruthTacohttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide
05:38:57JohnTeddyTruthTaco: What would you buy?
05:40:49froggymantry a gigabeat
05:41:50TruthTacoId buy a sansa fuze
05:41:54TruthTacocause thats what i did buy
05:42:39TruthTacoi dont like big players that take up my whole pocket, and from what i could tell sansa was the best flash player
05:42:56JohnTeddyIs it hard to find a Sansa Fuze that works with rockbox?
05:43:29TruthTacommmm
05:43:39TruthTacowell i got mine a while back when there was only V1 out
05:44:08TruthTacoi guess you could get one of the earlyer sansa's
05:44:29TruthTacoor just look for a v1 on ebay i suppose
05:45:48JohnTeddyHow do I know I am buying v1 when I go on various websites? http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Sansa+Fuze&hl=en&cid=3361362014665567807&sa=title#p
05:46:49JohnTeddyhmm, none are listed on ebay
05:47:49TruthTacoif someones selling a fuze on ebay just message them and ask them to tell you the version
05:48:00TruthTaco(or any other player where you need a certain version0
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06:28:06EtriganHey, I'm having an issue with Rockbox, if anyone is around to help.
06:29:14TruthTacogenerally if you have a question you just ask
06:29:32TruthTaco(the question0
06:31:38EtriganI've used Rockbox 3.3 (for the iPod 5th gen, 60gb) for about 2 months with no problem. When I unplugged it from charging today, it tried to boot normally, but said "failed to load linux.bin" (I don't have any Linux installed, unless rockbox does it when it installs), and froze. The only method to unfreeze is to remove the battery. I've tried re-installing Rockbox about 4 times, and the like, but nothing seems
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06:45:37scorcheEtrigan: are you holding the play/pause button while booting?
06:46:29EtriganAny button gets me to the "failed to load" screen
06:46:42scorchefailed to load linux.bin?
06:47:04Etriganyes
06:47:38scorcheand you did install the rockbox bootloader, yes?
06:47:48Etriganyes
06:47:58Etriganit's worked about 2 months, with no problem
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06:48:10scorchethen your device thinks that the play/pause button is being held down for some odd reason...
06:48:48scorchealso, holding menu + select should reboot your device fine, no?
06:48:53Etriganno
06:48:59Etriganit doesn't do anything
06:49:11Etrigan(even in the apple firmware)
06:49:19scorcheeven if you turn the hold switch on, then off, then hold menu and select for potentially up to 30 seconds?
06:49:32Etriganyep, nothing happens.
06:50:00scorchedoes the apple firmware work fine?...it sounds like you have a hardware issue with your scrollwheel
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06:50:31Etriganthe apple firmware is garbage, but appears to be fine
06:50:47scorcheand pressing all of the buttons and such works fine?
06:51:03scorcheif menu+select doesnt work, then you have a hardware issue, full stop...
06:51:09scorcheor are doing it wrong..
06:51:31Etriganhmm, so see if the scroll wheel is connected correctly?
06:52:11scorchewell, it does seem odd that the apple firmware would work fine with the buttons and all, but...
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06:56:59TruthTacoIm having issues getting the wikipedia plugin to work, it seems to patch fine but when it goes to compile i get errors http://pastebin.com/m12f0e290
06:57:43scorchethen figure out what is causing those errors and fix them...the patch is likely out of sync
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07:01:04TruthTacowell someone told me today it was in sync, but i guess it might be out of sync
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07:17:14CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22216): M:Robe 500: Start Building at 640x480 by default.
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07:26:28CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22217): M:Robe 500: Add missing files
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12:57:37CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22219): Clean up bootloader installation debug output a bit.
12:57:43CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22220): Extend bootloader installation to accept alternatives for the destination filename. ...
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13:05:19jaykayi noticed two things in the build system... first: after killing a build or starting the upload of a completed one, sometimes my client needs 10 seconds to start a new one...
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13:06:26pixelmaI wonder why there are a few clients now that have "0" in the average speed column
13:06:47jaykayand i got this here a few minutes ago:
13:06:49jaykay2009-08-09 13:03:09 Starting build h10
13:06:51jaykay2009-08-09 13:03:20 Starting build h100
13:06:52jaykaywhat does this mean?
13:06:59jaykaypixelma: where is the speed column?
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13:08:12pixelmafrom the build table klick the number of clients which is a link to the client stats
13:08:26pixelmaor click
13:10:56jaykaythe nuber which is the link also isn't the same number in the actual log (number of clients)
13:11:23jaykayeven (participated clients)-(0-point-clients) doesnt fit
13:11:35pixelmaI also wonder why the build time increased again, wasn't it below 300s quite ragularly a few days ago?
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13:12:11pixelmaregularly too
13:14:10jaykaythe number of clients decreased
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13:19:16pixelmaah hmm... roolku's clients shouldn't have such a high number in average speed because they don't take part (still need the restart) and in the build stats of the builds in the second half of the table it looks more correctly. Looks like something is confused...
13:21:03pixelmaseems to have been broken in r22212-22214, yesterday evening
13:22:09pixelmaerr... 22213, not 14
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13:26:39pyro_maniackugel: ping
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13:39:58kugelpyro_maniac: pong
13:41:02pyro_maniackugel: how did you find the right channel for the battery
13:41:41kugellow_light told me
13:42:49pyro_maniaci tested 0 1 2 and 3 but on 0 and 1 the battery is alwas 100% and on 2 and 3 i always get a low battery warning
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13:46:00kugelpyro_maniac: did you change battery_adc_voltage() also?
13:46:23pyro_maniacjupp
13:46:54kugelwell, I don't know then
13:47:11kugelmaybe you didn't try hard enoug
13:47:41pyro_maniaci will make some more test later
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16:08:40bertrikyay, reading the NAND id works on my yp-s3
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16:22:06linuxstbbertrik: NAND progress?
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16:30:02bertriklinuxstb, only very little, I am able to query the NAND chip for its ID now, and the returned value matches the expected value
16:31:52bertrikbut at least that means I got the flash pins and flash controller correctly configured
16:32:16tmztmux pins?
16:32:54bertrikI can read the NAND using a windows samsung tool, so I can use that information to reverse engineer the FTL layer
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16:41:16bertrikthe naming of the nand functions and files is a bit weird, e.g. the "ata"-prefix
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16:43:09gevaertsata-prefix?
16:46:26bertrikthe file is called ata-nand-s5l8700.c
16:47:09bertrikI'll put the lowlevel NAND stuff in a separate file I think
16:47:20gevaertsindeed. I didn't change the filenames
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17:25:25kkurbjunJdGordon: I think your commit at r22135 was using an older version of the wps_parser which wiped out mcuelenaere's changes in r22068
17:25:41kkurbjunI don't know if that was intentional though
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17:26:37kkurbjunI was having trouble tracing when the progressbar and volume tags worked because of the file move and edits with an older checkout
17:28:59kugellooks like it
17:31:08kkurbjunkugel: looks like it was intentional, or that he just didn't do an up before the commit?
17:32:11kugelI really doubt it was intentional
17:32:17kkurbjunoh, gotcha
17:33:26kkurbjunwe were talking about it offline, and were discussing making the actions a bit more generic, like a scroll region or something similar rather than hardcoding nearly the same functionality for the progress bar and volume, but nothing came of it
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17:43:03kugelkkurbjun: oh, I didn't know that, but I still think it was an accident
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17:52:00bertrikUnhelpful, can you have a look at read_image.c?
17:52:24bertrikfunction read_image_file_offset contains a bug, but is never used anyway, can we remove it?
17:53:02bertriksee also FS #10496
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18:12:40CIA-6New commit by 03bertrik (r22221): Samsung YP-S3: add beginning of a low-level NAND driver and update bootloader demo program to display the NAND ids.
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18:16:59CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22222): Factor out WPS' %V parsing function into viewport.c, in preperation of customlist. No functional change.
18:17:04kugel22222! yea :D
18:17:39bertrikyou were waiting for it, weren't you?
18:17:50kugela bit :)
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18:27:44jaykaykugel: maybe a noobish question... why are there red file size deltas? i thought you just moved some code
18:32:39bluebrotherBagder: is there a reason the samsung players use yh??? as build output basename but yh_??? as model string? rbutil wants them to be identical.
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18:40:27bertrikjaykay, it's not just red in the bin/ram-size table ...
18:41:15jaykayoh, yes... somehow i didn't notice that
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18:50:49funmankugel: i suggest we should lock the thread for e200v2/fuze official test builds until we make some progress?
18:51:02kugelwhy?
18:51:40funmanlast posts seem like crap
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18:52:27funmanand support questions (i don't see .rockbox when using mtp)
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18:58:02bertrikhm yes that thread degenerated a bit... the early posts generally contained some new info. And it's now already 75 pages long.
18:58:27funmani think the "lock/unlock" button can prevent new posts, and we can revert that in the future
18:58:44funmanbefore locking we could explain why the pool is closed
18:58:47funmanthread is closed*
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19:01:03kugelbertrik: he meant the thread
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19:03:45kugeli dont think it should be closed+
19:06:39funmankugel: do you expect useful information to be posted there?
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19:10:17kugelwhat's the reason for closing?
19:10:54kugelI just don't think we should stop testing
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19:13:00JdGordonkkurbjun: wierd, yeah it was an accident... svn should have complained
19:15:36funmankugel: no valuable information will come out from this thread until someone works on the issues
19:15:59kugelhow can you know/predict that?
19:16:43kugelclosing will definitely give 0 information, not closing might give us some
19:16:51funmanjudging how the quality of posts decreased
19:17:17funmanright but you'd have to parse the whole junk posts to spot something
19:17:37kugelI have no problem with that
19:17:39funmanand i think closing after a conclusion post would just indicate nobody is working on the µSD issues
19:18:35kugelI fail to see how this thread is problematic
19:19:00funmanlike i said, quality of posts decrease and is narrowing 0
19:19:16kugelhow's that a dramatic problem?
19:19:38kugelor is it just you getting lazy?
19:19:59kugelI don't want to cancel testing "just because"
19:20:08funmani surely never wanted to browse support requests posts
19:20:40funmannow that it is clear we have µSD code broken, there is no point into testing it again until the code changes
19:21:03kugelit's not so clear to me
19:21:15tmztwhat happened?
19:21:26kugelit's still that the code works for like 99.9% per cent
19:21:27tmztsometing like git bisect would be useful maybe
19:21:43tmztI need to see if I can find Fuze and try a new build
19:21:45funmankugel: the problem seems to be reproducable on specific cards
19:22:02funmantmzt: no, i don't think it's a bug we introduced after some time
19:22:06kugelI couldn't reproduce anything on a class 6 transcent card
19:22:14funmani have such a card here
19:22:29funmanit's "transcnend microsdhc (6) 4gb"
19:22:29kugelah it arrived now?
19:22:40funmanyes i got it from ku-ku on the forum
19:23:02funmanmy "kingston 2gb microsd" works fine
19:23:18kugeland you can't use the card to look at the issue?
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19:23:57funmani can see that something is wrong, i can't tell what
19:24:18funmanthe first step would be to run the card clock line at a correct frequency (25MHz)
19:25:04kugelI thought the highspeed cards need 50MHz`
19:25:05kugel?
19:25:15kugel(class 6 is highspeed)
19:25:46funmanright
19:26:10funman25MHz or 50MHz, but i couldn't read the card class on my 2GB
19:26:30truthtaco_my 8 gig sd works fine on the fuze
19:26:33funmani think it's acmd13? and you read the 512 bytes status register on the data line (with DMA transfer)
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19:30:08CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r22223): r22135 overwrote mcuelenaere's changes in r22068 to add slider-type regions for the touchscreen... so bring them back (spotted by kkurbjun)
19:30:48kugeldidn't we want to have real names in commit messages?
19:31:06funmanmy attempts to change µSD clock all resulted into impossibility to use the card
19:31:08pixelmaJdGordon: will you hand kugel some points?
19:31:13funmankugel: not that i know
19:31:31JdGordonpoints for what?
19:31:51pixelmathe red that he didn't fix yet
19:33:43JdGordonnaughty naughty!
19:35:26kugelI think we do
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19:40:19kugelthe delta is quite surprising indeed
19:40:40FlynDicefunman: I have found a bug for non-hc cards in the sd driver. In the SD_SET_BLOCKLEN command it uses card_info[drive].speed which is set to 512 and the command should use an arg of 9 (2^9==512) I believe. It would only matter for non-hc cards though.
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19:46:25kugelmeh
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19:47:15CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22225): Fix the yellows.
19:47:22Zagorthis is why we have the build system, after all
19:47:40kugelyea, and I love it :)
19:47:53JdGordonso do the power compaines :p
19:48:12Zagorhehe
19:48:14kugelZagor: what was the cause for the huge numbers on the stats page?
19:48:40Zagorkugel: a mistake. they were/are the average upload speeds.
19:48:54Zagorobviously not intended to be displayed there :)
19:49:24ZagorI need to take upload speed into account for best-fit
19:50:24funmanFlynDice: i read that cmd16 always takes the block size, not the exponent to 2 which equals that block size
19:51:18funman(and it is set to card_info[drive].blocksize, not .speed ! :) )
19:51:29kugelthat were huge upload speeds then
19:52:12Zagorthey range from 20 KB/s up to ~600.
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19:53:08kugelI don't think best-fit will change much, but I'm open for a surprise :)
19:53:19funmanFlynDice: default block length is set to 512 bytes, so we might not need this command at all
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19:54:16Zagorkugel: it will. I ran some live rounds last night, and the builds that now run for ~320 seconds complete in ~230 seconds with best-fit
19:55:02kugelthat would be significant
19:56:16Zagorroolkus unrestarted clients provide too much "noise" for it to work optimally right now though
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19:59:03FlynDicefunman: yes I see you're right on that, sorry for the static, I thought i found somewhere where where this was used the wrong way let me go look again. The spec does say that the default is 512 though so maybe we could skip it
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20:02:39bluebrotherZagor: is there a reason the download zips for the samsung YHxxx is yhxxx while the model is yh_xxx?
20:03:33Zagorwhere is yh_xxx used?
20:03:43kugelconfigure
20:04:02bluebrothermaybe it should get changed in configure?
20:04:20kugelfine with me
20:04:34ZagorI think it should. they are they only models with underscore in them
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20:05:11bluebrotherwe need to clean up the naming in general, but this makes support for the samsung players in rbutil break the current approach :)
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20:05:48ZagorI can change the build names too. it's not a big issue.
20:06:51LearIf a plugin and a codec need to use the same code (a library, really, TLSF in this case, currently used by PDBox), any suggestions on where/how to do that?
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20:07:29funmanput it in apps/tlsf and then link with ../tlsf/libtlsf.a ?
20:07:35JdGordonmaybe look at mpegplayer?
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20:07:47JdGordonI'm not sure how it gets the audio codec from..
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20:08:25LearThat builds a "local" libmad, without COP support...
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20:09:34bluebrotherI'm slightly in favour of removing the _
20:14:49*kugel can't really explain the delta
20:15:27kugelbluebrother: I'm too
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20:17:58Zagorkugel: just now: End of round 22225: Build round completed after 229 seconds.
20:18:35kugelwow
20:18:59Zagorand there are still a number of allocation optimizations to do
20:19:22kugelhow complicated is best fit? doesn't it require many statistics about the clients?
20:20:20ZagorI use the average build and upload speed of the last 25 builds each client has made
20:21:00Zagorwith as many clients as we have now (= few builds/client/round) 25 builds is probably a bit much though
20:22:09Zagorit is a little more complicated, but not terribly so. I found a nice shortcut that gives "pretty good" results.
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20:23:30*bluebrother waits for some graphical stats to come up :)
20:24:00CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r22226): Added average upload speed
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20:24:40Zagorbluebrother: I have created a read-only guest account to the database if anyone wants to do some graphs
20:25:32bluebrotherdoesn't that sound like something for rasher? ;-)
20:25:57Zagorit sure does :-)
20:26:03*bluebrother won't find the time and energy to create graphs himself
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20:29:39gevaertsgraphs? Where?
20:30:03Zagorgevaerts: whereever you put them!
20:30:42gevaertsZagor: is that guest account documented somewhere?
20:30:49Zagorno :)
20:31:15gevaertsah, security by not telling people :)
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20:32:51Zagorgevaerts: mysql server: buildmaster.rockbox.org username: rockbox password: FVUKynGTzzEad3Nq
20:34:40Zagorthe database is "rockbox" and the builds table is "builds"
20:35:00gevaertsI can't connect apparently
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20:35:49Zagorehe, the server only listens to localhost. hang on...
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20:36:48FlynDicefunman: Will opendrain vs pushpull on the sd card bus help us? I notice the linux driver goes to pushpull after send_relative_addr but my card runs fine either way. The pl180 docs make it sound like an mmc thing though.
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20:38:11Zagorgevaerts: try now
20:39:19gevaertsZagor: it works now, thanks! I'll have a serious look later on
20:41:25FlynDicefunman: I have been able to use the switch command for HS timings and my card works fine, I am unsuccessful each time I try to put the pl180 into widebus though. The cards take the SD_SET_BUS_WIDTH command just fine but if I use widebus on the controller neither will work
20:42:43funmanFlynDice: what is pushpull/opendrain in SD ?
20:42:59funmanand what is the switch command?
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20:46:12FlynDicepushpull and open drain are bus modes. As far as I can tell the difference is in pushpull the high/low are actively driven both high and low and in open drain the voltage is driven high but just allowed to fall low, probably a crummy explanation
20:49:48FlynDicethe switch command is cmd 6 the same as for bank switching but with a different arg, SD_SWITCH_FUNC, 0x80fffff1 instead of 0x80ffffef
20:50:07FlynDicefor HS timings
20:51:54FlynDiceI don't know if the opendrain/pushpull applies to SD though as the pl180 docs seem to imply it is an mmc thing but the linux driver switched to pushpull for SD
20:52:11kugelah
20:52:18kugelthat configure patch looks fine
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20:55:40Zagorsorry for the build result delay. I'm doing it with the bestfit server, and naturally found a bug...
20:58:00funmanFlynDice: did your card not work without using HS timings?
20:58:52FlynDicefunman: works fine either way as far as HS goes
20:59:15funmando you have the patch handy? i could try it on my card
20:59:42bluebrotherif nobody objects I'm going to remove the _ in yh_xxx in a minute or so
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21:00:10FlynDicefunman: It's on my laptop, give me a minute
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21:02:26CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22228): Accept FS #9400 - "tools/configure more improvements" by Rosso Maltese. ...
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21:07:34EpicReviewsdoes rockbox support the v2 sansa's yet?
21:08:21bluebrotherno, not officially. All officially supported targets are listed on the front page
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21:08:52EpicReviewsI also found another MP3 player you might find interesting to develop rockbox for
21:09:08EpicReviewshttp://www.biglots.com/Specials/item.aspx?cid=15&scid=49&iid=6477
21:09:16EpicReviewsA $50 touch screen
21:09:17FlynDice_funman: http://pastie.org/577683
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21:13:35EpicReviewsanyway, that was just my two cents, thought rockbox could be cool on a touchscreen, and hope I can get it on my v2 sansa soon :)
21:14:42FlynDicefunman: Sorry, that patch is a mess but the switch command for HS is in there.
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21:15:11CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22229): Remove underscore from YH modelnames as discussed on IRC.
21:15:24bluebrothernow let's see how much I broke ...
21:15:34EpicReviewsSo someone said Sansa v2 isn't *offically* supported yet... does that mean it's unofficially supported?
21:15:57bluebrotherit's being worked on.
21:18:12gevaertsEpicReviews: supported means that we consider something that should work but doesn't to be a bug, and that we provide installation support. Not supported means that you're on your own (although we do provide some sort of documentation on the wiki), and that if something doesn't work you don't get to complain
21:18:39gevaertsThere's no such thing as unofficially supported, because that would be meaningless
21:18:53TruthTacolol
21:20:27EpicReviewsWhat is so different between v1 and v2 of the sansa?
21:20:39dzeverything.
21:20:42linuxstbEverything - it's a completely new hardware design.
21:20:59kugelbluebrother: red!! :P
21:21:28*bluebrother expected that
21:21:31TruthTacodoes the v2 have better performance?
21:21:44Zagorbluebrother: heh, that was just half a commit :)
21:22:21pixelma_maybe I missed something due to the bad connection but it looks like the delta table isn't updated anymore - known?
21:22:41linuxstbTruthTaco: It has a faster CPU (but I can't recall how fast), but less RAM. So for some things it's better, for others, worse.
21:22:43Zagorpixelma_: indeed. I'll look at it.
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21:23:20Zagorbluebrother: will you change the builds file, or should I?
21:24:01bluebrotherI'm already at it
21:24:21Zagorgood
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21:25:25*domonoky1 still needs some perl hero to fix genlang.cgi for release voice files ...
21:25:38pixelma_and jaykay also noticed that the number of clients in the build table (the link to the stats doesn't match the number in the stats)... or wait, now I guess that the link one is the number of clients that actually delivered something and the other the number of registered clients, correct?
21:25:41CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22230): Change model name in all places, not only a few (fix red).
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21:27:52Zagorwhaa, zips are not uploaded! how did I manage that?
21:28:25pixelma_heh
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21:32:11pixelma_somehow funny that the delta table helped discovering that :)
21:32:51bluebrotherZagor: is the build system not updating because I changed only a file in www?
21:33:26Zagorbluebrother: yes. only changes in /trunk triggers rebuild
21:37:56Zagorbah. "# no zips during testing"
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21:38:38CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22231): Add (untested) support for Samsung YH-820, YH-920 and YH-925. Based on FS #10373 with adjustments to match the recent changes.
21:40:30kugelbluebrother: if you can get me a rbutil build for linux then I can do a quick test
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21:41:38kugelobviously I can only test installation of the main build since we don't have put up bootloaders yet
21:42:28funmanthere is at least 2 different USB pid for yh920, can rbutil handle that?
21:42:30kugelI'm really curious why the yh920 accepts PP5020.mi4 as filename and my yh925 doesnt
21:42:50kugelthat is also weird
21:42:56funmankugel: what is the original filename ?
21:43:10kugelsee diff of r22231
21:43:59bluebrotherfunny to see the red disappear instead of a new line appearing.
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21:44:26*bluebrother spots that he could have done the YH support simpler. D'oh!
21:44:31Zagorbluebrother: yeah, I ran it again for test, which used the new builds file. not the best idea...
21:45:11funmantools/configure doesn't output fw_yh920.mi4 so why use this filename ?
21:45:33bluebrotherZagor: well, at least I know now that there's no red left :)
21:45:49kugelfunman: look at bootoutput
21:46:54funmankugel: that's what I say, it's not "fw_yh920.mi4"
21:47:18kugeloh I looked at yh925
21:48:47funmansee this post http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6135.msg148143#msg148143
21:49:52kugelso FW_YH920.mi4 doesn't actually work?
21:50:17funmani can't read C++, are those filenames checked until one exists ?
21:50:36funmanrbutilqt.cpp line 659
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21:56:24pyro_maniacbluebrother: didn't you say rbutil can't handle two OF files?
21:56:49bluebrotherpyro_maniac: I added support earlier today
21:56:59bluebrotherso yes, back when I said that it was correct.
21:57:35bluebrothercheck r22220
21:58:08pyro_maniacah i missed that.
21:59:13scorcheto reiterate what i said last night in -gsoc in case anyone missed it, august 17th is the pencils down date for GSoC projects...mentors, be sure you are looking over your projects again and perhaps nudging the students to do some last-minute clean up things for submitting to google and/or working on specific bits...also think about what they have achieved during the entire period, etc
21:59:21funmanpyro_maniac: so fw_yh920.mi4 works on your yh920? reading the post it seems fw_yh920.BIN is not, but no mention of .mi4
21:59:54pyro_maniaci will try
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22:03:04pyro_maniacno
22:03:29pyro_maniacthe bootloader is looking for PP5020.mi4/bin
22:03:49funmanso where does this erroneous entry come from?
22:04:46pyro_maniacwhich one?
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22:06:13kkurbjunjdgordon, I think the changes to, what's now wps.c are still missing from r22068
22:06:13pyro_maniacthe bootloader of the napster devices is looking for PP5020 and the yepp branded devices is looking for FW_YH920
22:07:02JdGordon|ok, serves me right for doing the fix when I just woke up... i'll do it tonight if im not beaten
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22:15:38JaderI experienced a bug already in the tracker, but I don't have any additional info regarding the problem. should I add a comment anyway?
22:17:48kugelJader: which bug? But yea, confirming bugs is generally a good thing
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22:20:49JaderFS #9568
22:21:17kugelZagor: is the last build a best-fit one?
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22:22:23kugel94% efficiency seems awesome, although it might be caused by the negative numbers
22:22:32linuxstbJader: You have the bug with the file attached to that task, or a different file?
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22:27:38Jaderlinuxstb: are you referring to the dump files attached later to the task?
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22:29:13linuxstbJader: Oops, I was referring to 9658 - ignore me ;)
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22:59:31Unhelpfulbertrik: it was intended for reading image data embedded in another file, or prepended with some sort of custom header or such... i probably meant it as a support function for reading embedded album art, a feature that nobody's gotten around to anyway.
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23:00:06Unhelpfuli think it's quite safe to remove, the embedded AA case is the only use i can think of, and it doesn't suffice for that - we'd also need input mangling. :/
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23:14:34bertrikUnhelpful, ok, I'll remove it tomorrow then
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23:16:51Unhelpfulif somebody wants to do embedded AA, i'm not going to stop them, but... there's rather a lot of icky there. probably the best solution is to pass a read function and an opaque argument value to the image reader, with the reader using system read() and an fd if no such are provided.
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23:18:50Unhelpfuland yes, i've given rather a lot of thought to how to implement a feature that i don't want to work on and think is a bad idea.
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23:34:04bluebrotherhmm. What's the difference between MTP and UMS bootloaders for H10?
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23:37:26gevaertsbluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10PortDevInfo#Build_a_Rockbox_Bootloader
23:39:24bluebrotherhmm, so the difference is simply to run scramble on the mi4 file to get the MTP bootloader?
23:43:03gevaertsI think so
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