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#rockbox log for 2009-08-10

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00:20:20CIA-6New commit by 03bertrik (r22232): FS #10496: remove function read_image_file_offset, it had a bug and is not used anyway.
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02:23:37devslashhi
02:23:46devslashwhen i try to change languages on my ipod video i see squares for each character
02:25:20scorche|shit sounds like you need to switch to a font that supports unicode then
02:26:10devslashwhere do i go to switch fonts
02:26:38devslashnm
02:27:15devslashhow do i know which font i need to choose
02:27:55scorche|shrasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/
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02:54:17aidydoes anyone know what happens if i partition my D2?
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03:58:15webguest02hi im thinking of installing rockbox but will all of my old stuff on my ipod be removed?
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04:57:17CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22233): M:Robe 500: Get MPEGPlayer running at 320x240. Screen is zoomed so larger videos than 320x240 will only show center.
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05:48:30CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r22234): r22135 overwrote mcuelenaere's changes in r22068 to add slider-type regions for the touchscreen... so bring them back (spotted by kkurbjun)
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06:08:42kkurbjunJdGordon: the progress bar works fine now, I haven't tested the volume bar, but I am sure it works fine now too. Thanks for adding that back in.
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08:18:39JdGordonanyone know which FS# is the patch for ipod accessory logging?
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08:20:31moatistHey all.
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08:21:39moatistI can't wait untill Rockbox comes out with its release for the Sansa Fuze.
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09:57:42CreposucreJdGordon: are you there?
09:59:17CreposucreAccessory logging is task 9951 (bugs)
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10:00:37Creposucrelet me know what you find out
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11:19:11ZooixHi everyone ! I've a question: the website tells me that rockbox is working on iPod Nano 1st gen. But does it also work on iPod nano 2nd gen ?
11:19:16Zooixworks*
11:22:06funmanno
11:22:26ZooixOk
11:22:28Zooix:(
11:22:58ZooixYes you're right: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7085.0
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11:25:36pyro_maniacfunman: do you have the bootloader of your yh-920 or do you have only the napster version?
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11:32:00funmani think i can read the bootloader from the system directory
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12:18:46Tornehave new bootloaders been released?
12:23:59gevaertsyes and no. They are on the server, but not in the right place
12:26:24Torneis there a new bootloader for ipod there?
12:28:37gevaertsno
12:28:46gevaertsdo we need one?
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12:36:31Tornewe don't need-need one
12:36:49Tornebut i proposed that we release one anyway because a new ipod bootloader would have my OSOS boot change in
12:37:12Tornethere seem to be a significant number of people willing to mess around to install rockbox to OSOS to make it boot a bit quicker
12:37:21Torneand atm they need to build the svn version of the bootloader for that.
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13:35:34martian67_OSOS?
13:36:38Tornemartian67_: the file on the ipod firmware partition that the ROM loads
13:37:31martian67_why do you call it OSOS o.O
13:37:37Tornebecause it's called OSOS
13:38:10TorneThe firmware partition has no filesystem
13:38:17Tornethe files are just in a table with 4-byte identifiers
13:38:40Tornethe files are called OSOS, RSRC, AUPD and HIBE
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13:47:16martian67_hm
13:47:51Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPatcher explains if you're curious (section at the bottom talks about different ways to boot rockbox which are faster than the default install method but have other disadvantages)
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14:06:12gevaertsWould it be a good idea to have an rsb@rockbox.org alias that gets forwarded to all RSB members?
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14:09:02gevaertsOn the one hand, that would make it easier for people to actually get the RSB involved in problems (maybe the RSB did nothing last year because nobody knew how to talk to them?). On the other hand, it could start attracting lots of silly complaints and questions
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14:18:53moosgevaerts: that could be nice to have. But first we have to make usage of RSB for real.
14:19:39moosmaybe make a *rule* that in few cases, RSB will decide
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17:07:55JohnTeddyIs there a forum or posting section for where to buy hardware that rockbox works with?
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17:09:53evilnickJohnTeddy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19155.0
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18:31:56pyro_maniac1funman: could you send me your version of the yh920 bootloader? can't find it anywhere.
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18:51:11funmanpyro_maniac1: sure
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18:53:44funmanpyro_maniac1: SYSTEM/Parms/BL_YH920.rom md5 = 1d21f7cf53b7fe48db0b3400fd6fc56e, do you want it ?
18:55:42pyro_maniac1if this is the bootloader which loads FW_YH920 files then yes :-)
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19:00:16funmancheck your mailbox!
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19:05:31funmanpyro_maniac1: the keymap for setting date/time is problematic: right is both assigned to "next item" and "validate"
19:06:33funmani can cheat and use long right to go to next item without validating
19:07:10funmanFlynDice: i listened to an album on the microsd with your patch, without reboots
19:07:22funmani must remove the patch and see if rockbox can still read the album
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19:09:40PurpleeEseI know this might sound like a stupid question but does rockbox completley erase the Apple OS off the iPod or can you dualboot of WTF?
19:09:57funmanyou can dualboot, the manual must explicit this fact
19:10:22funmandid you see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus ?
19:10:34PurpleeEseNo Ill go read that
19:10:36PurpleeEsethanks
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19:11:06FlynDicefunman: How bout that, I have HS and Widebus on both card and adapter booting up but giving me a 0x10 error on disk access which I believe is TX underrun, any idea's?
19:11:48funmanerrors bits are specified in export/pl180.h (you just have to do a left shift in your head)
19:12:09funmani'd say revert your changes one by one until you see which one causes this error
19:12:11FlynDiceyes, that's the tx underrun error
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19:12:29funmantx underrun means you didn't write fast enough to the fifo
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19:12:41funmanand the card tried to read while it was empty
19:12:50FlynDicethat's whatI was looking for or the timeout is too small?
19:12:51PurpleeEseHow do you sync music to the ipod? Is there a Disk Mode in RockBox?
19:13:08funmannope the timeout should be ok
19:13:16funmanunless you modified card clock frequency
19:13:55funmantimeout is when the card couldn't read the data in the specified time (when reading), or couldn't write the data to the card (when writing, after having read that data from the fifo)
19:14:31FlynDiceI was lloking at the timeouts thinking they might be the problem when we lower the uSD card freq to 15.5. Timeout is still based on pclk freq I think
19:14:45pyro_maniac1funman: i will try to fix the that later. do you have some tome for sound?
19:15:44pyro_maniac1*time
19:16:12funmanFlynDice: right, you should divide PCLK in the timeout calculation
19:16:25funmanthe timeouts are expressed in number of card clock cycles
19:16:36funmanand should be equal to the comment (100 or 250ms)
19:16:58funmanpyro_maniac1: i can help but i can not reverse engineer the code
19:18:01PurpleeEseAnyone from iPhone Dev Team here?
19:18:24pyro_maniac1funman: low_light said he used the datasheet for audio but on the 920 (the only device we know the true hardware from) it didn't work.
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19:19:26funmanpyro_maniac1: since the chip (and the code) look the same, we must miss some power control
19:19:41funmanPurpleeEse: not that i know, but this chan is dedicated to rockbox anyway. try on #rockbox-community ?
19:19:59PurpleeEseoh.....
19:20:14pyro_maniac1funman: and for this we must reverse engineer?
19:20:39PurpleeEseI saw reverse engineer and thought of geohot
19:20:51funmanpyro_maniac1: i can't imagine another solution except corrupting samsung employees ;)
19:21:12FlynDicefunman: But in current code the timeouts are based on PCLK not the card clock, so If I lower the card clock from 62 to 15.5 the timeout is also shortened by 75%.....
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19:21:43funmanFlynDice: right, but if this error was caused by a timeout, lowering the timeout would not help
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19:51:33funmanFlynDice: in fact i remember i had to ask rockbox 3 times to delete a folder before it was deleted
19:51:38funmansame effect without the patch
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20:38:15bluebrotherdomonoky: is there a reason RockboxInfo doesn't open the file in the constructor? AFAICS all wrappers return an empty string if it fails, so it wouldn't make a difference if it failed in the constructor.
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20:39:10*bluebrother thinks that name RockboxInfo::open() is a bit wrong too
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20:41:17domonokysure open() is very missleading.
20:41:40domonokyit should better be named parse()
20:41:53bluebrotheris there a reason to not do this in the constructor?
20:42:24domonokyhm, the only reason could be that you can check if open was successfull
20:43:19bluebrotheryou can save that information in a member variable.
20:43:24domonokytrue
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20:45:02*bluebrother wants to clear up the mess with detect and autodetect ... very confusing
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20:45:33domonokytrue, that could need some cleanup
20:46:08bluebrotherhopefully afterwards I find some time to work on multi device detection. Unless you beat me :)
20:47:31domonokyi made many thoughts about the best way todo multi-device autodetection. but its really a difficult area..
20:48:05bluebrothertrue.
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20:48:41pyro_maniacsorry for that problem :)
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20:49:30domonokyit think the best way to autodetect is to start with the list of all usb-ids as potential devices. then map all targets to this, and weed out dublicate usb-ids (two targets with the same id) with different detection methods. If we only had a way to map mountpoints to usb-ids... :-/
20:49:31bluebrotherstill we need better detection. Plus much better detection of unsupported players. All those Ipod Classic reports in the forums ...
20:50:48domonokyfor unsupported players, i thought about adding them as real targets in rbutil, und mark them with some status in rbutil.ini the it should be easier to handle.
20:52:32bluebrothermy idea was to have a section [unsupported] with usbid = "Fancy Player Name"
20:52:55domonokyback to detect.cpp/h :-) if we move the rockbox-info handling and the check function out, it could be named something like "System" ie System::userName() sounds sane.
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20:53:33bluebrotheryep, I was thinking about something like that too.
20:54:00aidyanyone familiar with the touch screen code here
20:54:02bluebrotherI'm currently simplifying RockboxInfo(). Afterwards it should be easy to drop that stuff from Detect
20:54:19domonokybluebrother: good :-)
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20:54:40webguest63does fm work on all e200v2s ?
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20:59:45JdGordon|hmm... all these new comers seem to forget about cleaning the build table :/
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21:00:19JdGordon|how do people feel about adding a setting to the ipods to log all accessory coomucations?
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21:01:55LloreanIn debug maybe?
21:02:05pixelmafor everyone?
21:02:48JdGordon|for all ipods with it enabled...
21:03:08JdGordon|maybe in debug, but I was tihnkig having it set and forget assuming it makes a difference which screen you are in
21:03:44JdGordon|maybe in the debug screen it could be made smart.. allowing you to insert markers into the log to hel;p debugging
21:04:58aidydoes anyone know what 'play' is on touch screen players
21:06:41kugeldepends
21:06:42JdGordon|it depends which screen
21:06:55kugelJdGordon|: see what happens with configurabe buttons? :>
21:07:29JdGordon|shuddup :D
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21:09:17aidywhy i'm asking is
21:09:36aidyum
21:09:37aidynvm
21:09:39aidythe delete screen
21:10:10kugelJdGordon|: btw, I find cabbiev2 on the mrobe "not nice" (I was having a peek in the sim)
21:10:21JdGordon|yeah, it hella sucks :)
21:10:23JdGordon|go fix it!
21:10:39kugeleh
21:11:12kugelbtw, why's profiling not working?
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21:12:25JdGordon|because its rascist
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21:12:52*bluebrother thinks cabbiev2 is ok on the mrobe (100 :P )
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21:14:02kugelJdGordon|: ah right
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21:19:38webguest63can anyone look at FS #7814 ?
21:20:57CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22237): Simplify and cleanup rockbox-info.txt handling. ...
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21:32:21kugelI wonder if FS #10504 could fix that mpegplayer always break if you add some dsp
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21:34:02Zagormt: will you be fixing the atrac warning soon?
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21:36:16mtZagor: What warning ? (it doesn't display warnings here, maybe different compiler versions.)
21:36:39Zagormt: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=22237;type=cowond2#prob1
21:37:16kugelmt: you heard of the build table, didn't you?
21:37:20mtZagor: Oh, I thought you meant the standalone program.
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21:37:41mtkugel: No, never. :P
21:37:52mtI'll fix that now
21:38:05Zagorexcellent
21:38:07kugelpeople aren't reading the invitation mail :(
21:40:31bluebrothermaybe the invitation mail should contain a link to the table?
21:40:52bluebrotherSpeaking about something is one thing, not telling where it is (and assuming everyone knows) is another thing
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21:41:46mtkugel: It's not like I recklessly miss every single warning/error that my commits may throw. This is the first time I don't wait for the build table after a commit - and obviously it's not deliberate :)
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21:42:53kugeloh, I thought you were serious on not even knowing the build table
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21:43:46Zagorkugel: :P is a smiley, you know :)
21:44:02mtThere, thanks Zagor !
21:46:55CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r22238): Clean up and rename Detect class. ...
21:47:33bluebrotherhmm. I made a commit and a new bestfit test round started?
21:48:43Zagoryes, the bestfit server is "live" now. I just forgot to change the message.
21:48:52bluebrotherah.
21:51:12bluebrotheris this also the reason I haven't seen the "speculative builds now commencing" anymore?
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21:52:07Zagoryes. although there is some speculative building remaining. it just doesn't say it (yet)
21:52:38bluebrotherhmm. Seems I get too heavy builds now. All killed :(
21:53:14CIA-6New commit by 03mt (r22239): Fix yellow.
21:54:08Zagoryour speed is 87, which should complete h300sim in 168 seconds. you were killed after 233 seconds.
21:55:19kugelah, cowond2 is a though job apparently
21:56:20bluebrotherhmm. There isn't much running that eats up CPU right now. Strange.
21:56:28*bluebrother was killed and is now dead :P
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21:57:47kugelheh, 2 builds completed, 4 killed
21:57:52kugel5 killed even
21:58:39kugelZagor: the sim builds are harder or easier?
21:58:52JdGordon|AND
21:59:09Zagorkugel: generally easier
21:59:39*kugel remembers someone telling the opposite, but that was probably before gevaerts doing real statistics about it
21:59:56Zagorand yes, everyone gets lots of killed builds since the server still gives out speculative builds to everyone once their queues are completed
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22:00:29kugelI wasted exactly 60s on doing killed builds
22:01:26kugelbut ~200 on doing successful builds, so I guess it's fine
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22:03:19Zagorthis server version is still only partially best-fit. it does a best-fit allocation at round start, but doesn't adapt to changing conditions during the round. instead it relies on speculative building to get everything done even when clients fail or disconnect.
22:05:17kugelyea, I made cowond2 in 82s, getting 2 of that sort again would've given me 3 successful builds (unless someone beats me on the last one)
22:06:04kugelnot sure if improving that is worth it, but I already doubted in bestfit at all so ignore that :p
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22:08:11kugeldoes anyone want blue screens in rockbox?
22:08:19Zagorbsod?
22:08:36kugelin case of a panic, I'm thinking if a blue or black background is nicer
22:08:51ZagorI prefer black
22:08:52bluebrotherwhy not yellow?
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22:09:23bluebrotherblack text on white is most ergonomic, as in best to read. Why use something different?
22:09:49kugelthat's subjective
22:10:35bluebrothernope. There are studies that prove it.
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22:11:06bluebrotherit's subjective what you _like_ better. Which doesn't necessarily needs to match what's ergonomic.
22:12:07kugelI have never seen such a statistic
22:12:26kugelat least not for displays with backlight
22:12:28Zagorbluebrother: that is only true on very good displays
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22:15:48pixelmaI don't think so and in my experience black on white on this quite dark display (backlight is a bit weak), it looks like it's getting off-topic though...
22:16:24pixelmablack on white works better than white on black
22:16:56pixelmaI meant
22:19:27CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r22240): Corrected speed calculation. Lowered average to last 10 builds.
22:19:38kugelblack on white, then
22:21:50CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r22241): Do best-fit build allocation at round start.
22:27:07CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22242): panicf: Clear backdrop and print with black font on white background to prevent possible difficulties with reading it (especially on cabbiev2). Also ...
22:29:09kugelZagor: any idea when we'll get the build-in-progress indicator back?
22:29:44Zagorkugel: tonight!
22:29:51kugelawesome!
22:31:19ej0rge222 seconds. Nice.
22:32:00*bluebrother spots a lot of yellow and red
22:33:23UnhelpfulZagor: have you considered an EWMA instead of windowed averaging?
22:35:24ZagorUnhelpful: no. the average is intended to smooth out differences in client machine "busyiness". EMWA wouldn't really help with that as far as I can tell.
22:36:38CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22243): Fix yellows (the reds on mono are caused by this, again, stupid typo).
22:37:10UnhelpfulZagor: it wouldn't smooth values any *better* than a windowed average, but EWMA does have less bookkeeping - really just the value itself, plus one or two work values while updating the average.
22:37:46Zagorright. but i still want the database, so the bookkeeping is no added burden.
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22:39:16kugelZagor: is the "^[[A" normal ( http://pastie.org/579044 )
22:39:39rasherkugel: that looks like you pressed some key in that window
22:39:57Zagorthat's cursor-up
22:41:10kugelrasher: I didn't, and I get that everytime a round starts
22:41:40ZagorI don't.
22:42:49rasherOoh, 265 seconds
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22:43:59[1]niftyhello is any admins on the forum around?
22:44:41rasher[1]nifty: probably, better to just ask your question or state the problem
22:44:46kugelseems I got the hardest build
22:45:05[1]niftywell i was looking for programmers to help me create a linux open source firmare for the ipod touch
22:45:14[1]niftycause i cannot find any current open source alternatives
22:45:28[1]niftyi got the icon/image library done but there is just a lot of work for me to do alone
22:46:22Bagder[1]nifty: we don't need a new firmware, we have rockbox and we port that to the various targets
22:46:32linuxstb[1]nifty: The iphonelinux project would seem much closer to your needs.
22:47:02Zagorkugel: hardest?
22:47:30kugelonda747
22:48:07Zagorcongratulations :)
22:48:24*bluebrother wonders whats harder about the onda
22:48:36[1]niftyrockbox doesn't support the ipodtouch from what as i know
22:48:49bluebrother[1]nifty: Rockbox is not linux either.
22:48:52[1]niftyiphonelinux was abandoned
22:48:56[1]niftyoh then im sorry :p
22:49:04bluebrotherresurrect it :)
22:49:09kugelbluebrother: me too
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22:49:29[1]niftybluebrother: i have no access to it, or anything honestly i am trying to but i need programmers
22:49:46bluebrotherhmm. Did closing firefox make the difference for the latest build to get done by my box before getting killed?
22:49:57Zagor[1]nifty: you first need a way to run code on the touch. come back when you've got that, and we might be interested.
22:50:08bluebrother[1]nifty: programmers are not lying around ...
22:50:18gevaertssome are :)
22:50:19[1]niftywell i been working with the cydia group
22:50:21[1]niftythey got a way
22:50:28[1]niftythe access i can get into it
22:50:37[1]niftycan jailbreak it then wipe the current firmware off
22:51:56bluebrotherfrom what I know about the iphone (attended a talk about it several months ago) it isn't as simple as putting something else on. You need to bypass the firmware checks done by the ROM bootloader.
22:52:19bluebrotherjailbreaking is something different −− it doesn't replace the firmware.
22:52:58[1]niftybluebrother: i know it doesn't replace it but it gives a step
22:53:10[1]niftyiphone isn't really what im interested in as much cause well its a phone but the ipod i am
22:53:27[1]niftyhonestly i just made a promise to a friend who died some time ago, i promised her so i want to keep it :(
22:53:45bluebrotherAFAIK the ipod touch is almost the same as the iphone −− just without the phone hardware.
22:54:23[1]niftyyeah i know that too :) but still it is better
22:54:27Zagor[1]nifty: the problem is the same: you can't run unsigned firmware. jailbroken touches still run apple firmware.
22:54:48[1]niftyzagor: know that, but Im analyzing to check how to get around that issue
22:54:53bluebrotherI can't see why the Ipod touch should be better.
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22:55:30[1]niftybluebrother: i just dislike the iphone personally
22:55:34Zagor[1]nifty: we will probably be a lot more interested when you manage that. until then, it's just a dream.
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22:55:41[1]niftyi figure with the phone they put some stranger stuff in there make it harder
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22:55:54[1]niftyyeah ok well if there are programmers here i know were to go when i get this done :0
22:55:56[1]nifty:)
22:56:00Bagderthe linuxiphone project solved the problems, afaik
22:56:05Bagderso you could just use their bootloader
22:56:10Bagderand load the new firmware with it
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22:56:55ZagorBagder: aha
22:57:18[1]niftybadger: unfortunately i have no idea how to get any of their files or anything
22:57:19[1]niftysite is gone
22:57:23[1]niftyand i find no mirrors or anything
22:58:00bluebrotherarchive.org?
22:58:02linuxstb_Their svn is still available.
22:58:11linuxstb_Or rather, git IIRC
22:58:32[1]niftyyou know their irc channel?
22:58:44[1]niftyarchive finds nothing
22:58:55linuxstb_No, but here is the repository - http://github.com/planetbeing/iphonelinux/tree/master
22:59:38[1]niftymm lets see
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23:00:25linuxstb_You _may_ find some interest in #linux4nano-dev, as I think the touch and 4th gen Nano are believed to be similar.
23:00:43linuxstb_But that channel/project is lacking developers too.
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23:01:08[1]niftymm i see
23:01:14[1]niftywell what about this channel? :P
23:01:26Zagorisn't it lovely how everyone wants someone else to do their work? :-)
23:01:36linuxstb_[1]nifty: No interest in porting linux to anything here...
23:02:33[1]niftymm well ill get this iboot working
23:02:38[1]niftylook into this later
23:02:56Bagder[1]nifty: we'll help you port rockbox...
23:03:21[1]niftyi dont care what it is i just want to get open source firmware onto ipod touch
23:03:32[1]nifty:)
23:03:36[1]niftyif i can make apps for it
23:03:47[1]niftyand it works fine on the ipod touch i dont care what it is rockbox or whatever :)
23:03:53[1]niftyi thought rockbox was based on linux though
23:04:01gevaertsnothing to do with it
23:04:08linuxstb_Why did you think that?
23:04:28[1]niftyi think i read it on a forum
23:04:37[1]niftythats how i originally got to know about rockbox
23:04:53[1]niftyis it possible to make rockbox have the ability to run cydia and run apps?\
23:05:11Bagdernow you need to calm down and take a step back
23:05:20Bagdercydia is for macsox-on-iphone apps
23:05:45Bagderyou're talking about a different firmware but that would still be able to run those apps?
23:05:53Bagderthat's... insane
23:05:57[1]niftyah
23:06:02[1]niftywell i mean run apps like cydia ;0
23:06:04[1]nifty;)
23:06:18Bagderyou mean apps
23:06:26Bagderand yeah, rockbox can run apps (we call them plugins)
23:06:30linuxstb_Rockbox has it's own set of apps (plugins). But Rockbox is mainly designed to play music, not be a general OS.
23:07:20[1]niftyi see
23:07:34[1]niftywell that is good to know. hopefully it be nice to make it operate better with plugins
23:08:13bluebrotheryou sure it doesn't work nice with plugins right now?
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23:08:40[1]niftynot exactly i haven't tried to run it on the ipod touch
23:08:51[1]niftyi tried with my ipod video but it gave some troubles
23:09:43rasherIt cannot run on the ipod touch. It can and does run on the ipod video. The two are not related in any way that matters to Rockbox.
23:09:55bluebrother"some troubles" is a rather bad problem description.
23:10:24Spadsman how come you people have so many bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox/+bugs
23:10:45BagderSpads: we are rockbox, we don't have bugs for rythmbox
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23:11:00[1]niftyrasher: well i was hoping to get rockbox running on ipod touch
23:11:21linuxstb_[1]nifty: I thought you wanted Linux on the ipod touch?
23:11:21rasher[1]nifty: And good luck with that.
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23:11:50*bluebrother is bluebrother, not Rockbox :)
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23:12:44[1]niftyrasher: hopefully it will work
23:13:05Spads[1]nifty: huh well i guess you would have to get mono on there because i hear rythmbox is written in C♯
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23:13:48[1]niftyim just thinking what be best to get on there
23:13:52[1]niftylinux based or rockbox based
23:13:59*gevaerts looks again at the channel. It does say "#rockbox"...
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23:16:35[1]niftywell if anyone is interested in getting rockbox to run on linux i might be able to pay something
23:16:47JdGordon|pay?
23:16:50*JdGordon| is in
23:16:55Zagorrockbox already runs on linux
23:16:57JdGordon|do I have to do anything though?
23:17:16[1]niftyzagor: my goal is jsut to have a firmware that is open source to run on ipod touch
23:17:21[1]niftythat is as simple as that
23:17:40[1]niftyreason i want to do that so i can create apps and themes made for it
23:17:53[1]niftythe themes i can make now are limited and i want to do all of that cause of the promise i made to my friend
23:17:53linuxstbCan't you do that already?
23:17:53Bagderwith a wifi and stuff, I figure an IP stack is more or less mandatory, and... perhaps Rockbox is then not the choice of most people
23:18:19Zagor[1]nifty: you also have to make all the music and movie playing software. you do know that?
23:18:21bluebrotherman how come this rockbox has so many bugs: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?&project=1&type[]=2&status[]=open&do=index
23:18:31[1]niftyzagor: yeah i know
23:18:32Spadsbluebrother: this is rockbox not rhythmbox
23:18:44Spadsbluebrother: rhythmbox has bugs, not rockbox
23:18:48Zagorbluebrother: because we only do rubbish
23:18:48Spadsbluebrother: I learned that recently.
23:19:03[1]niftyzagor: but it s a promise that i made
23:19:04bluebrotherZagor: because Rockbox sounds like a BOS? *g*
23:19:42Zagor[1]nifty: then get to work on the basics before you dream about the end result. choosing which operating system to run is many months down the line.
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23:20:02[1]niftyzagor: got the library of icons done
23:20:09Zagorthat is not the basics
23:20:15[1]niftylooking to get around that boot issue
23:20:17Bagder[1]nifty: that's like the last things you can think of
23:20:47[1]niftywell it is all a learning experience for me :)
23:20:54[1]niftystill reading docs and so forth
23:21:11Bagderwell, we've experienced rockbox ported to some 30 devices, we know the drill now
23:21:20Bagderthe icons are in position [size of list] -1
23:21:35[1]niftyyeah i know
23:21:54JdGordon|[1]nifty: irc://irc.osx86.hu/iphonelinux is there irc channel
23:22:29[1]niftyawesome thanks
23:35:56[1]niftywell i got the sources now great :)
23:38:14CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r22244): Fix FS #10486 - "fuze screen not drawn correctly on backlight turn-on if playlist ends while the backlight is off" by adding a lcd_update() to ...
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23:57:05linuxstbkugel: Are you saying that you can't see the first few rows of pixels on your Fuze's LCD?
23:57:17kugelyes
23:57:20kugelcovered by the case
23:57:30kugelunless I hold it so that I can look under the case
23:58:01linuxstbWhat case are you talking about? The actual fuze itself, or some ill-fitting case you've put it in?
23:58:24kugelthe actual fuze itself
23:58:42kugelI'm not using another case, just the little bag sandisk puts into the package

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