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| 00:09:55 | CIA-6 | New commit by zagor (r22304): Don't claim negative upload time estimates. |
| 00:10:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | ej0rge: Have you gotten to try out FS #10431 yet? |
| 00:11:39 | rasher | Zagor: oh dear |
| 00:11:47 | rasher | That's a bit of a tragic diff |
| 00:12:19 | Zagor | rasher: well, lastultime is used in the scheduling. it's just not interesting in the log. |
| 00:13:04 | ej0rge | LambdaCalculus37: No. Probably saturday. |
| 00:13:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | ej0rge: Okay, let me know how it works for you. Some of the plugins may crap out when building because of missing graphics. |
| 00:14:05 | ej0rge | ok |
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| 00:49:07 | * | amiconn just checked fat.c more closely regarding the time increment on non-rtc targets |
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| 00:50:17 | amiconn | This increment is no longer 01h 15min like it was at some point, but just 10 minutes, which means the minute marker idea needs adjustment |
| 00:52:22 | amiconn | Either we switch to 01h increments, which means files which are frequently written to will increment much faster, or we use :11:11, :22:22 etc (12 minutes increase on average, i.e. not using :00:00) |
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| 01:00:19 | JdGordon| | why such large arbitrary movements? why not just 1 minute? |
| 01:00:28 | JdGordon| | the point is to just make sure the time changes... isnt it? |
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| 01:06:06 | amiconn | If we'd use one minute, we couldn't set a kinda obvious marker anymore |
| 01:09:41 | JdGordon| | yeah, I still dont see the point of a marker thats not really obvious... the date is going to be wrong no matter what it is so you're just misleading the user... |
| 01:10:02 | * | amiconn already explained most aspects |
| 01:11:12 | amiconn | We need to increment to indicate change. We must never adjust the timestamp backwards. Both points together mean that we cannot use the date as a marker for pre-existing files when changing them in rockbox |
| 01:12:00 | amiconn | That leaves the possibility to use the time (minutes + seconds) as a marker that the timestamp might not be correct |
| 01:13:08 | amiconn | This is independent of the choice for the initial date of new files. In this case I just *prefer* it to be roughly correct (i.e. using the build date) |
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| 03:11:50 | funman | the AMS guy didn't call today but we exchanged via SMS and he should call me tomorrow at 18h (UTC+2) |
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| 03:42:55 | TheCoolGman | Hi I'm have an issue when compiling with cygwin and svn. I've done it on a clean build too: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22478.msg154636 |
| 03:44:09 | funman | TheCoolGman: svn cleanup; svn diff|patch -p0; make clean; make |
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| 03:46:04 | funman | which model are you building for? |
| 03:47:25 | TheCoolGman | iPod 5g |
| 03:49:09 | funman | that is video? |
| 03:49:59 | TheCoolGman | Yes |
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| 03:53:42 | funman | ipod video builds fine here, try to clean your ccache cache ? |
| 03:54:57 | TheCoolGman | Your are using Tortise SVN right? Or dose that not make a diffrence? Also I'm not sure how to do that. |
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| 03:58:03 | TheCoolGman | No! |
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| 05:42:04 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22305): Fix a (stupid) mistake in libatrac/atrac3.c |
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| 09:58:52 | CQ | hello, I have an ipod 4g clickwheel where the battery doesn't charge to more than 55% or so, and discharges veery quickly... the battery is set to the correct size... does this mean battery dead, or can there be another cause? Same happens with orig OS and RB3.3 |
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| 10:04:41 | linuxstb | CQ: That does sound like a dying battery to me... |
| 10:05:54 | CQ | I was afraid of that... |
| 10:06:14 | CQ | plenty of ipod disassembly instructions out there that I'm not too much looking forward to using |
| 10:12:32 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22306): Replace av_log() with DEBUGF and drop some now-useless files. |
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| 10:24:42 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r22307): Move main() outside atrac3.c and create atrac3.h |
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| 10:34:58 | n1s | JdGordon: looked at fs#9886 I don't understand why we want to buffer_alloc a statically sized buffer or will the buffer get a dynamic size later? |
| 10:35:00 | linuxstb | mt: Nice progress with atrac. So the fixed-point conversion is done and working fine? |
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| 10:35:28 | mt | linuxstb: Yep. |
| 10:35:57 | * | linuxstb needs to search for his single atrac-in-rm file... |
| 10:36:49 | n1s | JdGordon: also s/wps_buffer_alloc/skin_buffer_alloc/ in two comments ;) |
| 10:37:06 | mt | linuxstb: Or - http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/AC-atrc/ :) |
| 10:37:49 | linuxstb | mt: I'm just looking the list of codecs on this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealAudio - does Rockbox support both raac (LC-AAC) and racp (HE-AAC) ? |
| 10:38:58 | mt | linuxstb: It should but I hadn't really found racp samples for testing. |
| 10:39:32 | linuxstb | OK, so the code is there, but it's untested? |
| 10:40:45 | mt | Yes, I guess it's a quesion of libfaad with he-aac though since parsing and packet extraction shouldn't be different. |
| 10:41:13 | linuxstb | The aac-in-mp4 codec plays he-aac, so it should be OK. |
| 10:41:18 | markun | isn't HE-AAC disabled on some targets? |
| 10:42:21 | * | linuxstb doesn't know. |
| 10:43:12 | * | linuxstb wonders why that wikipedia article excludes mp3-in-rm |
| 10:44:14 | linuxstb | So there seems to be 10 codecs used in realaudio, and when atrac3 is working, Rockbox will support 5. Not bad ;) |
| 10:44:53 | markun | really good in fact :) |
| 10:45:24 | gevaerts | 50% is barely a passing grade in schools :) |
| 10:45:26 | linuxstb | And the first two should be possible as well - "lpcj" and "28.8" have ffmpeg decoders IIRC. |
| 10:45:56 | mt | sipro too has an ffmpeg decoder. |
| 10:46:11 | markun | mt: then what are you waiting for :P |
| 10:46:19 | mt | mp3 : only one sample is known to exist, that's why it's excluded. |
| 10:46:24 | linuxstb | Great! You have 3 days left until the firm pencils-down date... |
| 10:47:01 | mt | markun: :D . |
| 10:47:01 | gevaerts | Do we support ape-in-rm? |
| 10:47:07 | linuxstb | So really it's just realaudio lossless that's missing. And I would doubt many people use that... |
| 10:47:19 | markun | gevaerts: we could beat RM to their own game! :) |
| 10:47:27 | gevaerts | markun: exactly! |
| 10:47:34 | gevaerts | "no samples are known to exist" |
| 10:47:44 | markun | we can make some samples |
| 10:48:20 | mt | linuxstb: I guess also ralf isn't much used yes. Only one sample on mplayer. |
| 10:49:04 | mt | gevaerts: ape-in-rm ? :) |
| 10:49:10 | gevaerts | doesn't matter. If there's a codec around that's called Ralf, we obviously have to support it |
| 10:49:14 | * | linuxstb thought he recalled a radio station streaming things in mp3-in-rm, but it was actually mp3-in-asf |
| 10:49:40 | linuxstb | A friend of Sid's? |
| 10:49:41 | gevaerts | mt: why not? :) |
| 10:49:42 | mt | gevaerts: You do ralf then. :P |
| 10:50:49 | * | gevaerts shuts up before he starts promising things :) |
| 10:50:59 | mt | Because ape can't be in rm. :) |
| 10:51:17 | gevaerts | why not? |
| 10:51:32 | linuxstb | Well, it would have to be called "rape".. |
| 10:51:46 | mt | Yikes ! That's one good reason .. |
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| 11:15:40 | mt | Should I add rockbox's gpl headers to atrac's fixed point files ? |
| 11:16:08 | linuxstb | Who wrote them? |
| 11:19:39 | mt | Me and saratoga. |
| 11:22:24 | linuxstb | mt: Then you'll need to agree a license with saratoga, but it might be nice to use the LGPL, to make it easier for someone to port the code back to ffmpeg at some point. |
| 11:23:18 | mt | OK. |
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| 11:49:05 | TheCoolGmam | What do you guys think about FS #5153 ? It seem's it could use some tiny improvements and that's it. |
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| 11:50:46 | linuxstb | TheCoolGmam: Hi. Are you the person on the forums having line-ending problems with cygwin/tortoisesvn? |
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| 11:51:12 | TheCoolGmam | Yeah check it again to see what I posted |
| 11:51:37 | linuxstb | Yes, I've seen that. |
| 11:51:51 | TheCoolGmam | what should I do? |
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| 11:52:00 | TheCoolGmam | Delete the folder? |
| 11:52:05 | linuxstb | According to that wiki page, you shouldn't need to reinstall cygwin, just re-run setup.exe Have you rebooted since doing that? |
| 11:52:48 | linuxstb | And as gevaerts said, deleting and then recreating the build directory is also a good idea. |
| 11:53:03 | TheCoolGmam | *TheCoolGman realizes he made an Epic Fail |
| 11:53:19 | TheCoolGmam | I should restart heh |
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| 11:54:05 | TheCoolGmam | I'll restart and tell you what I get |
| 11:54:20 | linuxstb | If that does fix it, it would be useful to post to that forum thread saying so - so people searching for the same problem find a solution. |
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| 11:56:03 | linuxstb | mt: In the README.rockbox for libatrac, you refer to svn r18079 - what date is that from? It would be useful to add that info, so people have an idea of how that it is. |
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| 12:39:31 | TheCoolGman | Damn! I restarted and typed "echo > a.txt" and it still came out 1 kb |
| 12:43:04 | Torne | Er, I just read that thread, and it's.. wrong |
| 12:43:28 | Torne | Telling cygwin to translate line endings is a really bad idea |
| 12:44:27 | TheCoolGman | I just wish you guys would still give out the current build |
| 12:44:52 | Torne | ..what? |
| 12:45:05 | Torne | we do |
| 12:45:25 | TheCoolGman | I'm talking about the source |
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| 12:46:03 | TheCoolGman | it was always update into a 7z until you guys stopped updating it |
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| 12:46:31 | Torne | if yo ucan manage to compile it under cygwin, why is it so hard to use svn? |
| 12:46:56 | TheCoolGman | It's not Im issues try to learn to use SVN iwth Cygwin |
| 12:47:06 | Torne | If you stop using tortoise the problem will go away |
| 12:47:22 | TheCoolGman | And the Daily build source IS STILL r21932 |
| 12:47:27 | Torne | Using cygwin's CR/LF line ending mode is not recommended by the cygwin folks because it breaks loads of other stuff |
| 12:47:41 | TheCoolGman | yeah I notice that when patching |
| 12:47:42 | Torne | run cygwin setup and pick to install subversion |
| 12:47:48 | Torne | then just type svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 12:47:51 | Torne | in a cygwin window. |
| 12:47:54 | Torne | you will get the latest source. |
| 12:48:18 | TheCoolGman | Should I use that instead of Trotise SVN |
| 12:50:17 | Torne | that should do it with the right line endings, yes |
| 12:50:30 | Torne | i can't test it atm though, this machine can't connect to svn:// |
| 12:50:52 | TheCoolGman | So I have the setup open and all I have are these opitons Unix/Binary or DOS/text |
| 12:54:50 | TheCoolGman | hello? |
| 12:56:21 | krazykit | TheCoolGman, have patience in waiting for an answer. only so many people actually use cygwin |
| 12:57:12 | Torne | ok, look. you already tried to rerun setup and change the line ending mode, right? |
| 12:57:16 | Torne | open a cygwin window and type mount |
| 12:57:19 | TheCoolGman | Really? I didn't know |
| 12:57:44 | Torne | do all the mount points say binmode at the end |
| 12:58:00 | Torne | also, I am at work so pardon me if I don't answer you instantaneously :) |
| 12:58:25 | TheCoolGman | Hold so chose Unix/Binary? in setup |
| 12:58:51 | Torne | Don't choose anything in setup |
| 12:58:54 | Torne | Exit setup |
| 12:58:57 | TheCoolGman | okay |
| 12:59:06 | Torne | Run a cygwin window and type mount, and see if the lines all say binmode or not |
| 12:59:28 | TheCoolGman | textmode |
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| 12:59:53 | Torne | all of them? |
| 12:59:58 | TheCoolGman | Yes |
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| 13:00:06 | Torne | Then you've already changed it to DOS/text mode. |
| 13:00:17 | TheCoolGman | interesting |
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| 13:01:17 | TheCoolGman | so then why was I getting that error with alarm_menu.c? |
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| 13:03:41 | Torne | I have no idea. |
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| 13:04:20 | TheCoolGman | I will try a clean build again |
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| 13:05:40 | linuxstb | Torne: If using CR/LF mode isn't recommended, then I guess we should remove that wiki page saying how to use tortoisesvn, or replace it with a page saying not to use it... |
| 13:05:50 | Torne | linuxstb: Cygwin doesn't handle this consistently |
| 13:05:55 | linuxstb | But presumably petur is using it fine, otherwise he wouldn't have added that wiki page... |
| 13:06:01 | Torne | CR/LF mode only works for apps which actually open files in text mode |
| 13:06:06 | Torne | most unix programs don't bother :) |
| 13:06:07 | linuxstb | Torne: I'm not surprised... I can't imagine how it can. |
| 13:06:31 | Torne | I don't know of a way to make tortoise use a specific line ending |
| 13:06:33 | linuxstb | I never knew there was such a thing in Unix... |
| 13:06:42 | Torne | linuxstb: there is, it's in the ANSI C API :) |
| 13:06:53 | Torne | it's just a no-op on UNIX |
| 13:07:04 | Torne | well, normally. |
| 13:07:20 | linuxstb | Do you mean the O_BINARY flag? Or something else? |
| 13:07:46 | linuxstb | But anyway, we're straying off-topic... |
| 13:07:49 | Torne | well, that and "rb" as fopen() :) |
| 13:07:51 | Torne | but yes |
| 13:08:06 | Torne | I have heard nothing but tales of woe about cygwin installs that use crlf |
| 13:08:31 | Torne | if i recall correctly, if you set cygwin to unix mode and just run cygwin's command line svn, it will check out with unix line endings |
| 13:08:42 | Torne | and everything will be happy and great until you come to use a win32 editor to edit files :) |
| 13:08:58 | linuxstb | Yes, which is exactly what TheCoolGman would have got with the source archive. |
| 13:09:01 | Torne | but i can't test this right now because i can't access svn:// urls from behind this wirewall |
| 13:09:14 | Torne | and i can't find an http svn repo anywhere to test which has eol-style:native ;) |
| 13:09:25 | TheCoolGman | I'm suprised you are able to use IRC |
| 13:09:45 | Torne | I can HTTP CONNECT to anywhere I like, but svn doesn't know how to do that. |
| 13:09:54 | TheCoolGman | Ah |
| 13:09:55 | Torne | and i cba to install a tunneling program |
| 13:10:35 | TheCoolGman | I'm almost done downloading the latest build |
| 13:10:36 | Torne | linuxstb: anyway your advice doesn't seem to work; bash redirection doesn't open files in text mode |
| 13:10:48 | Torne | so echo > foo.txt doesn't tell you what line ending mode you have. :) |
| 13:11:09 | linuxstb | Torne: It was just a guess... If that doesn't work, then indeed cygwin's CR+LF handling is broken. |
| 13:11:41 | Torne | linuxstb: they're doing their best to comply with the relevant standards.. :) They can't do CR/LR translation for all file IO or it would be impossible to work with actual binary files. |
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| 13:18:57 | petur | I'm no longer using tortoisesvn since I moved to linux |
| 13:19:40 | TheCoolGman | I'm using windows But I could just SVN from Cygwin now |
| 13:20:07 | gevaerts | TheCoolGman: are you making a new build directory every time? |
| 13:20:29 | Torne | TheCoolGman: If you want to try that, then set the line ending mode back to unix |
| 13:20:41 | Torne | and start completely from scratch using the cygwin version of subversion |
| 13:20:56 | TheCoolGman | I sorry to ask this because I'm a noob at this but what do you mean exactly make new folder if so then yes |
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| 13:27:45 | TheCoolGman | It's compiling |
| 13:28:23 | TheCoolGman | And I still get the same error |
| 13:28:34 | TheCoolGman | *sigh |
| 13:29:17 | TheCoolGman | Is it just me or the build because at this point I have no idea |
| 13:31:44 | TheCoolGman | Alright may be when I get backon you guys can tell me whats goin on I have to sleep |
| 13:31:52 | TheCoolGman | thanks for the help |
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| 14:37:07 | martian67 | n1s, bit rot! |
| 14:37:35 | n1s | ? |
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| 14:43:33 | martian67 | n1s, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rot |
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| 16:30:54 | pamaury | gevaerts: are you there ? |
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| 16:31:52 | gevaerts | in a way |
| 16:32:28 | pamaury | I have some horrible news about the usb_serial bug |
| 16:35:04 | pamaury | My tests suggest that (at least on my sansa e200) there is a direct link between the 96 limit of the usb_drv_arc and the needs_exclusive_storage flag |
| 16:35:45 | pamaury | I have rewritten a usb driver and it fail to send a >=97 packet BUT if I tweak usb.c and usb_core.c to grant is exclusive storage THEN it succeeds ! |
| 16:36:07 | gevaerts | ah, that explains things |
| 16:36:12 | pamaury | which mean that with exclusive storage I have a working a usb_serial driver |
| 16:36:24 | pamaury | how is this link possible ? |
| 16:37:12 | gevaerts | because needs_exclusive_storage also triggers cpu boost |
| 16:37:32 | pamaury | what is cpu boost ? it scales cpu frequency ? |
| 16:38:05 | gevaerts | yes. Normally we run at 30MHz, but large packets don't work then. Boosting makes it run at 80MHz, which we do for storage for precisely this reason |
| 16:38:13 | * | gevaerts should have resalised this before |
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| 16:39:46 | pamaury | It took me some time to realize it, only when I completely destroyed the usb_storage driver I realized the difference |
| 16:40:37 | gevaerts | well, we now know what's going on. I suspect that just limiting the amount transmitted is the right solution as long as we only do outgoing traffic |
| 16:45:43 | pamaury | Ok, I'll come back later, hope this information will help. Perhaps a commit would be useful to change the comment is usb_serial. Also determine on which target it's needed. |
| 16:46:38 | gevaerts | If you feel bored, you could play with the stream disable bit in REG_USBMODE to see if it makes a difference |
| 16:47:00 | gevaerts | I probably won't do much on this today. I'm travelling tomorrow, and I need to pack |
| 16:47:44 | gevaerts | pamaury: if you can find MCF5251RM.pdf, it seems to describe the same USB controller in a bit more detail for some registers |
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| 17:06:32 | JdGordon | n1s: the reason its bufalloced is because I still like the idea of (when this is finished) allowing the user to decide (or the theme based on previous boots) how much is needed.. really there is no need to waste xKB on a 2mb target when only 1/3 of it is being used... |
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| 17:07:10 | JdGordon | also there really is no difference between bufallocing a buffer, or just making a static one.. |
| 17:07:36 | gevaerts | bufalloc hides it from the delta table :) |
| 17:08:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | My Clip is behaving a little strange. I just updated my build on it, and now it shuts off immediately after I turn it on and it displays the Rockbox logo for about half a second before shutting off. |
| 17:08:16 | n1s | JdGordon: ok, makes sense, to me buffer_alloc implies we might want different sizes so i think for a static size a static buffer is clearer |
| 17:08:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Any attempts to turn it on aren't working. |
| 17:08:50 | JdGordon | gevaerts: and that :) |
| 17:09:06 | JdGordon | well.. I still like the idea of making that buffer customisable (in the future)... |
| 17:09:27 | n1s | yeah |
| 17:09:43 | JdGordon | and I'm pretty certain more will agree once radio+statusbar gets skiniified |
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| 17:10:01 | n1s | ideally it should auto-resize to the min size needed :) |
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| 17:10:44 | kugel | that's what I'm thinking too |
| 17:11:19 | JdGordon | yes and no.... |
| 17:11:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wonder if something went kaput with it... |
| 17:11:54 | JdGordon | LambdaCalculus37: dead battt? |
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| 17:13:19 | CIA-61 | New commit by mt (r22308): Factor out bytestream reading functions needed in rm parsers/codecs. |
| 17:13:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | JdGordon: I thought so as well, but it still does this even after a charge. |
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| 17:16:30 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: update the bootloader? |
| 17:16:46 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: was i being pinged for a reason? :) |
| 17:17:27 | JdGordon | yeah, I thought my bug had something to do with not loadnig mbps right (or something like that) and ws hoping you could help... turns out im just an idiot |
| 17:18:41 | Unhelpful | excellent, carry on then. :) |
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| 17:19:20 | kugel | Unhelpful: I was seeing some functions yesterday which could be also in the common lcd file (set/getfont, get_width/_height) I haven't looked at each lcd-* file to check it though |
| 17:19:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: The OF is working fine, so what I think I'm going to do is just uninstall the bootloader with a clean OF update, then reinstall it again. |
| 17:19:40 | kugel | LambdaCalculus37: no need for a clean of update |
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| 17:23:12 | Unhelpful | kugel: thanks for the heads-up, i was pretty sure there'd be more to put in it. i want to pull in the charcell scroll_fn as well... and some of the drawing functions that mostly just wrap lower-level functions and are not themselves aware of the native bitmap format |
| 17:25:50 | domonoky | Bagder: can you take a look at this patch for genlang.cgi ? http://pastebin.com/m6ef38321 I tested it locally (modified so it works for me) but i am unsure if its fine for the server.. |
| 17:26:07 | CIA-61 | New commit by mt (r22309): Use the bytestream reading functions form librm and drop bytestream.h and libavutil/ |
| 17:29:12 | JdGordon | kugel: what was the issue with the recorder not being able to show a top item? |
| 17:29:43 | kugel | it can't flip the buttons properly if the screen is flipped |
| 17:29:57 | kugel | amiconn knows more about that |
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| 17:30:40 | funman | amiconn knows everything |
| 17:31:10 | JdGordon | well... too bad.. the code you want to add to get around that issue is not worth it... if the recorder is the only target with that isssue, and only when its in upsidedown mode (1 person *maybe* on the planet) then big bloody deal |
| 17:31:10 | kugel | and there was an issue with at least one of the h100 remotes also |
| 17:32:56 | pixelma | if I remember it can flip the buttons but one of the then needed combos wouldn't be possible in case the original way of operating the quickscreen there wouldn't work (electrical restrictins), not sure though |
| 17:33:15 | kugel | JdGordon: I completely agree, but amiconn and Llorean objected for that reason |
| 17:33:46 | pixelma | eh... if the original way of operating it would be restored |
| 17:34:34 | kugel | isn't flipping buttons handled in software as for any other target? |
| 17:35:46 | pixelma | well, flipping buttons is not the problem itself. Impossible combos due to hardware restrictions is |
| 17:36:19 | kugel | there are no combos involved in the quickscreen IIUC |
| 17:37:01 | kugel | just plain up/down/left/right (and play to exit) −− for the recorder |
| 17:37:01 | pixelma | the original way of operating the quickscreen was quite different... |
| 17:37:13 | pixelma | and quicker |
| 17:38:50 | kugel | but this isn't anymore, apparently |
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| 17:39:59 | motorbit | huhu |
| 17:40:50 | motorbit | im a bit lost with rockbox on a d2+ . i got it all wokring, but there are some quistions i culd not find answers for within the forum. |
| 17:40:52 | pixelma | kugel: yes, but someone wanted to restore that |
| 17:40:59 | motorbit | does anyone here knows about rb on d2? |
| 17:41:43 | JdGordon | pixelma: it hasnt happened in 3 years... its not going to happen |
| 17:41:57 | * | JdGordon is happy to suggest disabling the top item completly on the rec |
| 17:42:18 | kugel | no need if it's really only about combos |
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| 17:42:59 | amiconn | The current *qucik*screen doesn't really deserve its name |
| 17:43:46 | JdGordon | neither the quick screen :) |
| 17:44:15 | * | pixelma wouldn't be upset if the quickscreen was abandoned completely :P |
| 17:44:42 | JdGordon | its useful for testing :p |
| 17:44:49 | JdGordon | but yeah, I wouldnt be upset either |
| 17:44:54 | kugel | I use it a lot, so I would |
| 17:45:03 | JdGordon | we can live with that though :D |
| 17:45:09 | kugel | :D:D:DD:D:D |
| 17:45:14 | motorbit | noone? |
| 17:45:20 | kugel | amiconn: what's the issue with the recorder? |
| 17:45:44 | JdGordon | f1+up cant be held together? |
| 17:45:49 | domonoky | motorbit: just ask your question, if someone knows he will answer. |
| 17:46:01 | motorbit | thanks |
| 17:46:31 | amiconn | F2 (or F3) + Up can't be detected simultaneously as they're connected to the same ADC channel |
| 17:46:39 | pixelma | motorbit: I guess the best info you could find is in the forums, not many people with D2s are around I think (let alone D2+) |
| 17:46:40 | motorbit | how to make the touchscreen of teh d2 work in such a way it wont get up menue all the time when i press onto the right side of the screen? |
| 17:46:44 | motorbit | i calibrated it |
| 17:46:44 | amiconn | This has nothing to do with display flipping |
| 17:46:52 | motorbit | its still unusable |
| 17:47:31 | kugel | oh |
| 17:47:41 | kugel | I don't think that's a blocker for a top item though |
| 17:49:17 | amiconn | It is, if you consider the original, really quick way to operate the quickscreen |
| 17:49:24 | pixelma | motorbit: did you try setting the "absolute" (direct) touch screen mode? Just a guess, I don't know much about those targets |
| 17:49:36 | motorbit | its unsupported for the d2 atm |
| 17:50:00 | kugel | amiconn: but I don't consider this way |
| 17:50:02 | motorbit | but k, looks as if this alpha still needs some work there, thats ok |
| 17:50:07 | motorbit | another quesiton is: |
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| 17:50:35 | motorbit | the d2 original firmware is having a problem sorting id tags by id tag tracknumber if an album has more than 30 tracks. |
| 17:50:44 | motorbit | so i removed them along with the id tag filename |
| 17:50:52 | kugel | and even then, just meaning the up item is unusable isn't worth useless extra code for all other targets IMO |
| 17:51:05 | amiconn | hmm? |
| 17:51:18 | motorbit | that works verry well with the original firmewar, however rockbox will only show "no filename" when using the database |
| 17:51:37 | motorbit | is there a way to make the database show the filename instead of a "missing tag" error? |
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| 17:54:27 | kugel | amiconn: right now, extra logic would be needed to disable a top item for the recorder only |
| 17:54:58 | amiconn | Why does that need extra logic? Just one or two ifdefs |
| 17:55:22 | kugel | ifdef RECORDER in apps/ ? |
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| 17:55:59 | motorbit | my english sucks: did none understod me or does noone knows the answer ? :D |
| 17:56:02 | kugel | anyway, that's simply uninteresting for the current quickscreen |
| 17:56:02 | * | amiconn thinks that other targets might have similar peculiarities when it comes to the quick quickscreen mode |
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| 17:56:27 | amiconn | It's also a matter of screen size |
| 17:56:31 | kugel | possibly, the clip also has some impossible combos |
| 17:56:51 | funman | m200v4 also I think |
| 17:57:42 | funman | motorbit: i think you have to tag your files to use the database, else there is no use for it |
| 17:57:52 | motorbit | sad |
| 17:58:05 | funman | "database" really is a "tag databse" |
| 17:58:08 | motorbit | so i can either tag them for original firmware or for rb :/ |
| 17:58:10 | pixelma | or use the filebrowser |
| 17:58:13 | funman | for filename browsing you can use the file browser |
| 17:58:20 | motorbit | jeah |
| 17:58:22 | motorbit | but it sucks |
| 17:58:27 | motorbit | because with the sd |
| 17:58:28 | funman | motorbit: the original firmware doesn't read id3? |
| 17:58:36 | motorbit | i wuld have to browse a long way each time |
| 17:58:41 | motorbit | it does |
| 17:58:52 | motorbit | but it will show the filename if no tag is given |
| 17:59:06 | motorbit | instead of a "no tag" error |
| 17:59:46 | motorbit | the files do have tags... for album, genre, etc |
| 17:59:52 | motorbit | just not for tracknumber and trackname |
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| 18:04:59 | kugel | amiconn: btw, i just committed r22228, it wasn't my code entirely :) |
| 18:05:16 | robin0800 | ident |
| 18:05:49 | pixelma | kugel: but then you took responsibility for this code ;) |
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| 18:07:46 | kugel | but nice find indeed |
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| 18:09:37 | linuxstb | motorbit: We simply don't want the database to guess tags where they don't exist - it's the user's job to tag their files. What works for you will break things for others. |
| 18:10:50 | pixelma | uhmm.. |
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| 18:11:26 | kugel | amiconn: I think I managed do a good job w.r.t to the screen size |
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| 18:12:21 | kugel | it's fully functional on a clip even with 12-nimbus |
| 18:12:46 | Unhelpful | amiconn: do you know if there is a greater-than-instruction-size alignment for functions on coldfire? the per-function deltas for r22289 for M3 total zero, but it somehow comes to +190... |
| 18:13:39 | pixelma | Unhelpful: it's the pyros-roolku server producing this delta, look at the later delta jumps |
| 18:14:04 | pixelma | s/server/client |
| 18:14:20 | motorbit | linuxstb: |
| 18:14:25 | motorbit | i can understand this one |
| 18:14:27 | motorbit | but than |
| 18:14:47 | motorbit | there is no guessing when using the aviable informations if the prefeared information is not given ;) |
| 18:15:08 | kugel | pixelma: captiankewl alsoo on the clip |
| 18:15:34 | linuxstb | motorbit: But it sounds like your problem is a bug in the Cowon firmware... |
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| 18:15:42 | motorbit | hehe |
| 18:15:44 | motorbit | well |
| 18:15:47 | pixelma | motorbit: seeing FA34 won't help people on Ipods |
| 18:15:52 | kugel | this binsize fluctuation is really getting bad |
| 18:15:55 | motorbit | i always had my files soted like that |
| 18:16:17 | motorbit | and there is this bug :) |
| 18:16:38 | motorbit | i just cant see where a error code does more sense than the filename |
| 18:16:47 | Unhelpful | 190 is pretty big for somebody's toolchain being messed. :/ |
| 18:16:50 | motorbit | some fallback is not bad all the time |
| 18:17:11 | pixelma | kugel: what? ... ah you mean the small deltas - if I saw correctly they are on differnt clients though whereas the +190 bytes for the M3 is only that one |
| 18:17:34 | kugel | there are +-20,22,32 and 94 also |
| 18:17:51 | motorbit | who cares about ipods ? ^^ |
| 18:18:16 | linuxstb | motorbit: Now that's a logical argument that will win the day... |
| 18:18:37 | Unhelpful | +70 |
| 18:18:42 | * | pixelma read that as an ironic statement |
| 18:18:51 | motorbit | with one? that ipod one? or that fallback one? |
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| 18:19:07 | funman | damn, still no call |
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| 18:19:50 | moos | funman: send him an sms reminder? |
| 18:20:20 | kugel | JdGordon_: I laughed a bit when you said "also, using a default which is target dependant is a bad idea from a support POV" |
| 18:21:29 | JdGordon_ | I was going to add a tongue-in-cheek remark about the stupidity f making it customisable at all :) |
| 18:22:18 | kugel | :) |
| 18:22:34 | kugel | I mean I agree of course, do you have an idea for a good default? |
| 18:22:57 | JdGordon_ | does it need one? |
| 18:23:18 | kugel | all settings have a default |
| 18:23:31 | kugel | and yes, I think it needs one to make clear there's a top item now |
| 18:24:12 | JdGordon_ | i was going to say brightness but thats target dependant |
| 18:24:31 | kugel | brightness is totally useful though |
| 18:24:36 | JdGordon_ | start screen? |
| 18:24:38 | kugel | I have this in my qs for ages |
| 18:25:13 | * | kugel wouldn't like to choose an item which you probably change once very three month, if it all |
| 18:25:25 | kugel | we already have one of this as default |
| 18:25:31 | funman | moos: good idea, i just did it |
| 18:25:35 | JdGordon_ | like shuffle, repeat mode, and show files? |
| 18:25:41 | kugel | maybe "warn on deleting dynamic playlist"? :p |
| 18:26:07 | JdGordon_ | maybe |
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| 18:27:41 | kugel | luckily settings_list.c is an #ifdef hell, that makes finding a all-target setting at least adventurous |
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| 18:28:04 | JdGordon_ | luckily?! |
| 18:29:07 | JdGordon_ | well... I suppose there isnt any real reason to not have a target dependant option there |
| 18:29:08 | kugel | fade on stop, or party mode? |
| 18:29:37 | JdGordon_ | party mode maybe.. but the point of that one i so its hard to disable |
| 18:29:43 | kugel | or "interpret numbers while sorting" :D |
| 18:30:31 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: Hi. |
| 18:31:14 | pixelma | speaking of target dependent default... JdGordon_ when are you going to change all other cabbiev2 versions to display volume in dB in place of the icon when changing volume? |
| 18:31:26 | pixelma | </semi-serious> |
| 18:31:51 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: Hi! |
| 18:31:55 | JdGordon_ | do I haaaaaave tooo? :'( |
| 18:32:03 | * | BryanJacobs is still working |
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| 18:34:12 | pixelma | it's a bit weird now that only one target has it and you committed this one (it's something I'd wanted to see on other targets too but changing it isn't the simplest, there are even versions that don't use viewports at all yet) |
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| 18:34:54 | JdGordon_ | I dont think all targets really need to be identical |
| 18:35:01 | kugel | pixelma: I'm going to put up a new PLA patch soon, wanna test a bit over the weekend? |
| 18:35:03 | JdGordon_ | bbs |
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| 18:36:40 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: How are things progressing? Are you able to post something to flyspray soon? |
| 18:36:53 | pixelma | JdGordon_: in this case it would be very possible to be consistent and it's a valuable information in my eyes. I coul understand difference that are due to different screen size (or depth) but not this one |
| 18:37:13 | linuxstb | BryanJacobs: Your patch on flyspray buffers things 1:1 - have you fixed that in your current implementation? |
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| 18:38:04 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: well, my current implementation is based on the chunky stuff |
| 18:38:18 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: and I'm planning on delivering on time :-) |
| 18:39:04 | BryanJacobs | the "conservative" chunky implementation that has no fragmentation in cases where a rebuffer wouldn't be needed is what I'm focusing on |
| 18:39:31 | linuxstb | "On time" was the 10th August ;) |
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| 18:41:10 | linuxstb | I'm not sure I understand your last sentence... What do you mean by "where a rebuffer wouldn't be needed" ? |
| 18:42:20 | funman | remember students often get smarter than mentors :-) |
| 18:42:31 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: hey, pencils down hasn't come yet |
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| 18:42:46 | BryanJacobs | I mean where the data don't bump into another handle |
| 18:43:04 | BryanJacobs | which could theoretically happen |
| 18:43:18 | linuxstb | Why is that different? I would expect for most files, the data would bump into itself (i.e. be larger than the audio buffer). |
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| 18:46:04 | BryanJacobs | linuxstb: no, not where it bumps into itself, where it bumps into something else |
| 18:46:23 | linuxstb | That's what I'm asking - why are those two cases different? |
| 18:46:35 | BryanJacobs | because if it bumps into itself it won't cause fragmentation |
| 18:46:45 | BryanJacobs | chunky handles can interleave with eachother |
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| 18:48:01 | linuxstb | Well, it will cause fragmentation as the early chunks in the files are used up. |
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| 18:48:41 | BryanJacobs | when we add a normal handle to the buffer the chunky ones are finished |
| 18:48:48 | BryanJacobs | they become normal handles |
| 18:49:32 | linuxstb | Yes, but as they're used up, couldn't the memory be fragmented? |
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| 18:49:49 | BryanJacobs | so the only time there will be fragmentation when a non-chunky handle is in the buffer (which is when we care) is *before* those early bits get used |
| 18:50:30 | BryanJacobs | and the memory pressure it causes will be at most as bad as that caused by a single file being as large as the multiple ones that were chunky |
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| 18:52:10 | linuxstb | But anyway, going back to "bumping into something else", doesn't that just mean the buffer is full, and you stop buffering until more space is free? |
| 18:53:29 | BryanJacobs | when the "something else" is not a chunky handle, yes |
| 18:53:34 | kugel | what does this fragmentation cause? |
| 18:53:49 | BryanJacobs | kugel: space in the buffer that is not usable until something is freed |
| 18:54:06 | kugel | what if we try to play that back? |
| 18:54:09 | motorbit | k than, thanks |
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| 18:54:15 | BryanJacobs | kugel: that won't happen... |
| 18:54:20 | kugel | ok |
| 18:54:25 | BryanJacobs | each handle "knows" how much stuff it has in it |
| 18:54:39 | BryanJacobs | the fragmentation is when a handle is "full" but there's a gap before the next one |
| 18:54:58 | kugel | there's still the problem on the clip where buffering just seems to stop at some point (will not rebuffer). virtually every file is bigger than the whole audio buffer |
| 18:55:19 | BryanJacobs | kugel: maybe this will fix that :-P |
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| 19:03:02 | Unhelpful | since the data is accessed by handle, might it be possible to compact by moving the data down? |
| 19:03:50 | BryanJacobs | bbiab |
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| 19:04:44 | * | JdGordon| requests everyone test 9886 |
| 19:05:02 | JdGordon| | as usual... if it works you shouldnt notice anything different |
| 19:05:44 | Unhelpful | is the latest patch "complete"? |
| 19:06:14 | JdGordon| | for the time being yes |
| 19:06:40 | Unhelpful | i meant more "do i need to apply other patches in a set first?" |
| 19:06:50 | JdGordon| | oh, no, just the last one |
| 19:07:52 | kugel | I don't see any good reason for using buffer_alloc() |
| 19:08:18 | kugel | the size is still static, that's just going to hide the binsize hit of JdGordon's upcoming experiments |
| 19:08:20 | kugel | ;) |
| 19:08:52 | JdGordon| | :) no, I'll put it back to try and see the delta... but I would imaguine it will eventully go to that anyway |
| 19:09:50 | Unhelpful | um... i don't have apps/skin_engine/skin_parser.c ? |
| 19:09:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon|: That would seem more sensible - if the size becomes dynamic, move it to buffer_alloc(), but not before... |
| 19:10:31 | JdGordon| | ah fooeey... missed an svn add? :'( |
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| 19:12:19 | JdGordon| | hmm... its already under versoin control apparently |
| 19:12:35 | JdGordon| | its not in the diff? |
| 19:12:40 | Unhelpful | idunno, your diff contains edits to it, there are deletions as well as additions, and it's named wps_parser.c in my repo... i just did a fresh pull. |
| 19:13:02 | JdGordon| | its a copy/rename from wps_parser |
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| 19:13:19 | funman | just talked with the AMS guy on the phone, we pushed back the real talk to sunday |
| 19:13:23 | funman | :( |
| 19:13:25 | kugel | why didn't you just do the rename in a seperate commit? |
| 19:13:49 | kugel | funman: he's testing your integrity! |
| 19:13:56 | JdGordon| | obviously to cause problems for everyone :/ |
| 19:13:59 | JdGordon| | funman: aww |
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| 19:18:04 | Unhelpful | svn diff should be generating a removal diff for the old file and a new-file diff for the new one if it's supposed to apply correctly at all :P |
| 19:18:08 | funman | i really should write a paper with what i want to say because i felt a bit lost |
| 19:18:25 | Unhelpful | otherwise anybody trying to apply that to a clean archive has to do the rename themselves first. :P |
| 19:19:22 | linuxstb | funman: Wouldn't it be easier to just do it by email? |
| 19:19:34 | Unhelpful | actually, it looks like it *has* a removal diff for wps_parser.c... i wonder how it can also have deletions in skin_parser.c? |
| 19:20:08 | JdGordon| | I did svn cp to keep the history |
| 19:20:26 | Unhelpful | shouldn't that be svn mv? |
| 19:20:38 | JdGordon| | i mean yes..t hats what i did |
| 19:20:51 | JdGordon| | which is just a svn cp followed by svn mv apparently anyway |
| 19:21:44 | JdGordon| | you want me to do a build for you? might be easiest |
| 19:22:16 | linuxstb | Or maybe just upload skin_parser.c? |
| 19:22:34 | Unhelpful | if you can make a patch that's against "regular" svn that ought to do it... |
| 19:23:03 | Unhelpful | i can't apply this one with git apply or with patch |
| 19:23:45 | JdGordon| | is it only that file? |
| 19:24:52 | Unhelpful | i'm not sure... which files did you rename? perhaps it will apply if i duplicate those manually first... |
| 19:26:03 | JdGordon| | I dont remember... anything that was wps_<something> to skin_<something> |
| 19:26:08 | JdGordon| | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9886?getfile=20278 is skin_parser.c |
| 19:26:15 | JdGordon| | which target, ill build for you |
| 19:27:06 | JdGordon| | except, i dont have a httpd at home so uploading could be difficultt |
| 19:28:10 | funman | linuxstb: answers to my emails happen to be very late and empty |
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| 19:28:34 | Marvin_ | hi |
| 19:28:46 | Marvin_ | i'm the guy with the nano 1g that forze and seemed to die |
| 19:28:55 | Marvin_ | did not reboot etc |
| 19:29:02 | Unhelpful | i think i've got it, just duplicating wps_parser.c as skin_parser.c made the patch apply... it's rather odd that the duplication of the entire file isn't part of what svn put in the patch. it should be treating it as the insertion of all lines in the file, rather than as the difference between the changed skin_parser.c and the original wps_parser.c |
| 19:29:15 | Unhelpful | also you have whitespace-only diffs :) |
| 19:29:19 | Marvin_ | well after first 3 days it did nothing, tried to plug it in to charge, nothing |
| 19:29:42 | Marvin_ | i was on a vacation for a week and NOW tried to plug it in, and it is ALIVE, started to charge |
| 19:30:36 | Marvin_ | just for information, some of you guyes here adviced that it should run out of juice in a night or so and then shut down and get out of a dead loop, it took much longer |
| 19:31:12 | CIA-61 | New commit by mt (r22310): Revert the asm fixmul stuff for now. |
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| 19:31:31 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Doing an 'svn mv' and editing the same file in a single commit isn't handled very well by svn. svn warns you if you mv a file that has local edits, but it cannot warn you in the other case |
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| 19:32:18 | Unhelpful | ah... doing that makes svn diff rather useless. :/ |
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| 19:37:01 | CIA-61 | New commit by mt (r22311): Support for playback of atrac3 audio in rm, in sim. |
| 19:43:22 | CIA-61 | New commit by mt (r22312): Fix yellow. |
| 19:43:30 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: loaded icatcher on my beast, a bunch of the icons were solid pink, then a data abort. :D |
| 19:44:16 | JdGordon| | for some reason the icatcher backdrop has those pink areas to show where the images should go so they arnt beign drawn wrong... |
| 19:44:23 | JdGordon| | that said, that shouldnt happen :p |
| 19:44:27 | JdGordon| | where is the abort? |
| 19:44:49 | Unhelpful | i can't get into that right now. :) |
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| 19:47:19 | JdGordon| | hmm... some alignement issues in icatcher on my video... doubt thats my patch though |
| 19:49:44 | Unhelpful | as in pixmap alignment or data alignment? (the latter can trigger a data abort, after all) |
| 19:50:09 | JdGordon| | pixmap |
| 19:50:28 | JdGordon| | the volume/power/time lines |
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| 19:54:15 | kugel | svn also clearly fails horribly when you have editted a file while the file is moved upstream |
| 19:58:28 | Unhelpful | kugel: git is not too nice about that either |
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| 20:05:26 | mt | atrac3 works on target too now (e200) !! .. but it's incredibly slooow. |
| 20:06:13 | Unhelpful | if you delete a file, and then it's modified upstream, your rebase will be, um, bad. |
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| 20:12:36 | kugel | Unhelpful: I can imagine, the way how rebase works is too simply for that ;) |
| 20:13:29 | Unhelpful | also, touch thou not anything under .git, so sayeth the torvalds. seriously, that's the only time i've irretrievably ruined my git repo. :) |
| 20:13:36 | kugel | but svn silently keeps the non-moved file (appears in svn diff etc), while the moved file has no modifications |
| 20:16:36 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Coldfire sections are 32 bit aligned. Instruction size is variable, but is a multiple of 16 bits. No further alignment is applied to individual functions |
| 20:17:20 | Unhelpful | amiconn: it turns out to be a dodgy build client... the next few builds had small or 0 deltas (on the same client), then it moves clients and gets a -190 |
| 20:17:45 | amiconn | Yeah, got that, but did that check anyway |
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| 21:00:36 | mt | heh 32.30% realtime |
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| 21:07:27 | JdGordon| | mt: just wait, that will be 150% pretty soon... just wait for some asm magic :) |
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| 21:11:57 | mt | JdGordon|: Yeah hopefully :) .. there are also a couple of memcpy's that are applied on each audio frame, I guess getting rid of those should have a significant effect. |
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| 21:28:47 | * | Unhelpful wonders if it might *be* a good idea make the buffer less file-data-specific, and more like a malloc-by-handle... it would reduce the allocation overhead for things that are using bufalloc for non-file buffers, and "special" buffer types could be handled by having a type/flags int in place of all of the other header data, which could be followed by a struct containing whatever header data applies to that type |
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| 21:49:00 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: which uses do you have in mind? |
| 21:49:06 | Jester | Hi. Sorry if this has been answered somewhere but I couldn't find it in the FAQ or google. I'm wondering if installing rockbox on an ipod will affect the ability of external devices to control the ipod. For example a car audio unit might require a certain firmware on an ipod to be able to control it, so it's not far-fetched to think rockbox might destroy that feature |
| 21:49:18 | Unhelpful | ok, so, my argument i guess here is that a dynamic allocator is a *good* thing when it's not used thoughlessly - so that themes, for example, always take up the space they need. |
| 21:49:32 | JdGordon| | Jester: bing is better :) |
| 21:49:46 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: please stay on-topic! |
| 21:49:50 | Unhelpful | (and no more) |
| 21:49:51 | JdGordon| | Jester: yes, rockbox hasnt had much luck with external controllers... but its getting better |
| 21:50:11 | Jester | JdGordon|: that's too bad |
| 21:50:21 | funman | Jester: you can choose to run the OF anytime instead of rockbox (dual boot), so you could use your external devices with the OF |
| 21:50:22 | Unhelpful | however, you'd still be able to boot the OF for that purpose... although of course the OF can only see files loaded with itunes, and can only play certain formats. |
| 21:50:41 | gevaerts | Jester: there's only one way to find out if your particular device works with rockbox |
| 21:51:01 | funman | some devices work with rockbox, so nothing says yours shouldn't |
| 21:51:32 | Jester | funman: really. That's pretty cool, unfortunately my main use for rockbox is to be able to play flac files in my car in combination with an audio unit that can control the ipod :/ |
| 21:51:46 | funman | just try |
| 21:51:53 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: another case i had where we'd get an improvement from bufalloc-as-malloc is cover art. right now we load album art for each file. we *could* rather easily see if the file in question has been loaded, and re-use it, but right now we don't have a way to free that single buffer usefully - unless we could compact the buffer. :) |
| 21:52:14 | Unhelpful | this would save AA_size * (num_tracks - 1) when loading a whole album |
| 21:53:09 | JdGordon| | for that case, I rekon adding some smarts to buffering.c would be a better solution |
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| 21:53:30 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: yes, but IIUC that's what Unhelpful is getting at |
| 21:53:41 | * | funman owes a beer to anyone who helps fixing the playback stopping on sansa clip |
| 21:56:21 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: but yeah, thats the same issue as buffering the same track more than once if its in the playlist more than once |
| 21:56:30 | gevaerts | Unhelpful: loading a file to the audio buffer *is* dynamic allocation, so I don't think there should be a general veto against replacing that with a different sort of dynamic allocation, at least not a veto based on the new solution using dynamic allocation |
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| 21:58:35 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: buffering prsumably stores all the active handles, so you could add a id field or something to the AA type handle and then do some magic to reuse the handle isntead of doing a actual file buffer |
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| 21:58:57 | JdGordon| | I dont think turning alloc into a more mallocy system is a idea which will go down well |
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| 22:03:33 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: except that we probably have multiples of an AA much more often than multiples of a track. |
| 22:04:06 | JdGordon| | yeah ture |
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| 22:04:47 | JdGordon| | which is why I'd be all for adding the code especially for AA |
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| 22:04:52 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: i'm really pretty much only suggesting that we add a few things - the ability to reclaim fragmented free space, and possibly the ability to free some no-longer-needed audio data on demand |
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| 22:06:45 | Unhelpful | this would be a win for dynamic WPS allocation also, because if it can use bufalloc then you don't need to stop playback... as i understand it you need to stop playback for buffer_alloc? |
| 22:07:24 | JdGordon| | how could you reclaim free space without breaking pointers? |
| 22:08:31 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: by having a firm requirement that pointers be re-fetched any time that a yield might have happened, etc. or possibly with a "may move" mutex, which you'd need something like anyway if the handle is used by a COP process. |
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| 22:09:02 | JdGordon| | yeah, that adds way too much overhead for alot of what uses buf_alloc |
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| 22:09:14 | JdGordon| | especially when I tihnk at east 1 thread is put there |
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| 22:11:12 | JdGordon| | we have talked about the idea where everything gets dumped and needs to be alloc'ed again.. but that has just as many nasty issues |
| 22:12:02 | Unhelpful | may-move is the only COP-safe method anyway. the way i see that working would be that a mutex is held while working on the buffer data, with the understand that it must be released regularly. any time the mutex is released, the buffer thread is permitted to compact, and anything with a handle must re-fetch |
| 22:14:57 | Unhelpful | problems with that method include that that there could only be one thing using that method, because of the mutex... unless we have more complicated thread synchronization primitives we could use in a similar fashion. |
| 22:15:25 | JdGordon| | I cant see this being useable with anything that uses buffer_alloc() today, but yeah, it sems ok for the apps/ level buffering (buffering.c stuff) |
| 22:17:36 | Unhelpful | i'm not saying we *need* a malloc badly... i'm just saying that perhaps dynamic allocation for some items would save more space to buffer audio, and/or remove some artificial limits as well, possibly to the degree of being worth the overhead. |
| 22:19:39 | Unhelpful | WPS is one place where we see trouble at both ends of the spectrum - themers who have actually hit the artifical limits we have, and also large amounts of wasted space for many not-so-big-WPS |
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| 22:22:47 | JdGordon| | yeah, but there is another problem... the way allocation is done (in my path) for things like images and stuff... a regular pointer is tored, to allow it to be more flexible everything would need to be converted to offsets or handles, neither is very nice |
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| 22:24:50 | Unhelpful | that's true. if we used something buflib-like, where there's a handle table, it would greatly reduce the cost of re-fetching... however, buflib is not very ideal if you might, say, make a lot of allocations, then free *most* of them while holding one for a long time |
| 22:25:36 | * | JdGordon| slides the conversation sideways a bit |
| 22:25:52 | Unhelpful | handles in our linked-list buffer go away when their associated allocations do. handles in buflib are free as handles immediately on free, but only free as space if no used handles of higher index exist. |
| 22:26:23 | JdGordon| | this is why I want to make the skin buffer user customisable.. apparently some people like the idea of changing themes 15 times a day, while others maybe only once ever, so only using the absolute minimum ram is good for them but bad for the first |
| 22:29:32 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: we already move handles around dont we? |
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| 22:34:48 | Unhelpful | JdGordon: as near as i can tell, we don't move buffers very often, and we don't do it automatically to defragment free space |
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| 22:36:13 | domonoky1 | Zagor: can you take a look at FS #10525 (genlang fixes) ? :-) |
| 22:37:25 | JdGordon| | Unhelpful: I dont know how often they move, and was under the impression the buffering wsnt supposed to get into a fragmented state? |
| 22:37:37 | Zagor | domonoky1: a patch! how about simply looking for a '.' in $rev and then treat it like a release? liming revisions is bound to backfire one day :) |
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| 22:38:43 | domonoky1 | Zagor: good idea (me goes searching for perl tutorials) :-) |
| 22:39:03 | Zagor | that's the spirit |
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| 22:45:13 | JdGordon| | domonoky1: if you're playing around with stuff for release... there is a patch of mine in the tracker to get the release number into a RB_RELEASE define in the code if you want to take over that one also? |
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| 22:51:33 | domonoky1 | Zagor: patch updated :-) |
| 22:53:19 | domonoky1 | JdGordon|: not really interessted :-) |
| 22:54:00 | JdGordon| | well fine then.. :'( |
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