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#rockbox log for 2009-08-15

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00:34:20*petur waves at wincent
00:34:32*wincent waves back
00:35:16peturhad a good holiday?
00:35:26wincentpetur: I saw your comment about pdbox (it does not clear background)
00:35:59peturmy h300 has a bright background, and your plugin uses white text....
00:36:03wincentpetur: Yes, I did. Not quite what I expected, and some things were very suprising.
00:36:14peturnot everybody uses the default theme :)
00:36:52wincentpetur: So, leter today I will add setting background color to black.
00:37:08wincents/leter/later/
00:37:38petursure, no problem
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00:57:55pixelmawhy not use the global fore- and background colours?
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01:00:22kkurbjunis anyone around with a d2?
01:08:56CIA-61New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22314): Hopefully get all of the touchscreen drivers to act the same so release events get the appropriate data.
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01:13:35peturred! yellow!
01:13:39JdGordon|kkurbjun: having things work the same is a novel idea :)
01:13:50kkurbjun:)
01:13:57kkurbjunI'm not sure where that red came from
01:14:10funmanrussia?
01:14:16kkurbjunthose targets should not be touched by my commit
01:14:16peturnice score
01:14:19kkurbjun:-D
01:14:36JdGordon|gremlins!
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01:14:49funmankkurbjun: changed makefile rules?
01:15:07peturbugger, it is my NAS that caused this, I'll take it offline
01:16:26CIA-61New commit by 03kkurbjun (r22315): Fix Yellow
01:16:51peturI fixed the red :/
01:17:53kkurbjun: ) thanks
01:20:02JdGordon|thats quite a score for a broken client :)
01:20:17peturseems perl went awol
01:20:47JdGordon|you need to symlink /opt/bin/perl to /usr/bin/perl
01:20:48peturI used the same startupscript as last time, no idea why it no longer works
01:21:16peturI did upgrade the firmware, that probably broke something
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01:53:31BdN3504i don't know how to write a shell script that will answer the ../tools/configure dialogue. say i name that script e200, then it'll answer 50 and in the next step N for a normal build. would $ yes 50 N | ../tools/configure work?
01:55:32kkurbjunecho -e "50\nN" would probably do what you are looking for
01:55:49BdN3504thanks, i'll try that
01:55:59funman"echo 50" is enough
01:56:46BdN3504really? will the second dialogue be answered automatically?
01:58:11funmanyes, if you launch configure manually and type enter, normal (N) is selected
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02:01:09FlynDicefunman: I found a few SD things, some that won't make a difference and one that I think might
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02:03:17FlynDiceI was tracing down the card states after each command and found that we end up in a data state without following with a CMD 12 to go back to TRAN
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02:07:31FlynDiceAlso in the sd_wait_for _state function it appears to continually issue a CMD13 while waiting to get to TRAN state. But following a successful DATA transfer the card should enter the prg(programming) state and a CMD13 will leave it in prg
02:07:33funmanat which place ?
02:07:59FlynDicehold on I'll get a line #
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02:11:40funmansorry, got to go. i'll read it tomorrow (write it on the FS entry?). bye
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02:14:12JdGordonBdN3504: ../tools/configure −−target=<name> −−type=n
02:16:46BdN3504ah ok, thanks. i tried the things mentioned before and my suggestion ( yes 50 | ../tools/configure) works, whereas i had no success with echo. i didn't know you could use configure with these arguments, thanks jd
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03:11:40rasherBdN3504: Don't use echo if you want something useful. Use printf instead: printf "50\n\n"|../tools/configure
03:12:14BdN3504thanks, but jdgordons solution is the most elegant one.
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03:12:57rasherNot quite as flexible, but yes. I just wanted to mention it if you needed it for something else
03:13:20BdN3504would you consider it a bad idea, if i posted a shell script on the wiki that automatically checks out svn and leaves you with a compiled build?
03:13:45BdN3504i thought i'd attach it to the simpleguidetocompiling
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03:14:57rasherOn the surface no, but from experience, these things often end up doing more harm than good.
03:15:48BdN3504hm, but i configured it to add and remove the build tree, so the user is left with nothing but a compiled zip in his root
03:17:07BdN3504but i wanted your opinion, that's why i asked. if you don't think it's a good idea, i'm ok with that. thanks for your attention.
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03:19:02kkurbjunrasher: at least on ubuntu echo -e should act the same as the printf statement
03:19:14rasherkkurbjun: that's only true for bash.
03:19:20kkurbjunahh, bash
03:19:25rasherprintf works on all (posix compliant) shells
03:19:35kkurbjungotcha
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03:51:29UnhelpfulJdGordon: it probably shouldn't fragment much now, they're stored in play order... shared AA might change that a bit, and any substantial bufalloc use for non-playback is a problem too
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04:05:04Unhelpfulalso, the idea of making some of the header data optional would be a bit of a help to multi-file playback, like the wavpack hybrid stuff... as i understand it's using rather a lot of allocations, each with a chunk?
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09:12:50ThecoolGmanCan some one just give me a zip of the source of the lates build? Please SVN is screwing up the DAILY BUILDS SOURCE IS STILL r21932, All it took was one day for Rockbox to fuck up on the source on day and now nothing works for me.
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09:13:55ThecoolGmanWhat is with the alarm_menu.c? Someting is wrong with the build
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09:46:13ThecoolgmanHmm interesting setting cygwin back to Unix seems be working so far.
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10:10:45n1smany people have been sucessful in using cygwin with svn...
10:11:10n1sof course the source archive should be fixed anyway (or removed)
10:15:25pamauryI have a question about actions in rockbox. I'm currently reimplementing logf and I noticed that the current implementation uses get_action(CONTEXT_STD, HZ);
10:15:42pamauryThe problem is that it does not provide a smooth scrolling: how can I achieve that ?
10:16:03pamaury(smooth scrolling with the wheel, if available)
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10:22:29*linuxstb wonders if anyone successfully uses tortoisesvn and Cygwin, or if we should delete http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCygwinAndTortoiseSVN
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10:30:18ThecoolgmanI say delete it not only dose change it to DOS not only screw it up on compiling, it is not recomended
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10:32:14linuxstbThecoolgman: I know you had problems, and it's not something I would use, but presumably it worked for the person who wrote that page...
10:33:56ThecoolgmanWell at least update the page, it looks like it was last updated in early 2007
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10:43:58ascheelIs the media player list on the front page of rockbox.org the full list of currently working players for Rockbox?
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10:45:47TheCoolGmanYes
10:45:51TheCoolGmanWhy is it that when I use SVN and Cygwin, custom patches HUNKs most of the time fail. Is it something that I sshould worry about?
10:46:59pixelmaascheel: yes, although some of the "ports in progress" are close to being close, you can check the page (and maybe the "new ports" section in the forums for details
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10:48:27ascheelthanks, pixelma. :) Checking that now
10:48:27pixelmaTheCoolGman: that's not a problem of using cygwin, the patches are "just" out-of-sync, they won't work. You can either check out the revision they were made for, sync them yourself or wait for an update...
10:49:11TheCoolGmanFuck me, I just want an update zip of the source archive
10:50:33ascheel*sigh* makes me a sad panda... 2 years ago, spent big bucks on an iPod touch... and everything has to be MP3/AAC. Friend of mine bought a SanDisk, put rockbox on it, and only paid $60 out the door... and I feel jipped.
10:50:50pixelmaTheCoolGman: there is no reason for cursing... then get one. And if hunks fail with SVN then an up-to-date archive wouldn't help you either
10:52:47TheCoolGmanLook I'm sorry but I have the scripting knowledge of WPS and that's it. Everything use to work and compile when you guys use to give out the Current build source archive but now for some reason not a single patch works
10:53:56TheCoolGmanAnd there is an issue with the Daily Builds Source Archive is bugged because it won't update
10:54:36pixelmait doesn't have to do with SVN or archive, just with the fact that the code base changed since then. Try to find out when it still worked and apply the patches with that revision checked out, subversion lets you "update" to any revision you want
10:55:16pixelmaor get the authors of the patches to update them to current svn
10:55:26TheCoolGmanIs there a tutorial on how to update a patch?
10:56:37TheCoolGmanAlso what about the up to date patches HUNKs that fail?
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10:59:08pixelmathen they aren't up-to-date or there's a change in your source tree (maybe from another patch or a failed applying of a patch) that makes it fail. What makes you say they are up-to-date?
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11:00:07TheCoolGmanThey say Updated to latest SVN one is 2 or 3 days old but nothing breaks that dast
11:00:15TheCoolGman*fast
11:01:15pixelmasure it can
11:02:04pixelmait can potentially break on every code change (if it's in the same files) and code changes happen a few times a day usually
11:02:30TheCoolGmanwell sometimes one HUNK succedes but that's when it's the .c file
11:07:02n1sa HUNK is simply a part of the patch, if it fails, your checkout simply doesn't match the checkout the patch was made with, to fix it,open the patch file and .rej files in a text editor and apply the appropriate changes to the code manually
11:08:35TheCoolGmanIs it so easy a noob could do it?
11:09:14pixelmait also depends on what changed exactly
11:10:37n1sTheCoolGman: it might be or it might mean you have to reimplement the whole patch, as pixelma said it depends on what changed and how
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11:16:10TheCoolGmanAll it took was one day to ruin comipling for me. I don't know why it's having so many issues now. Iknow what you guys are saying but it just stopped all on one day. This was the worst summer I've ever had, *sigh Thanks anyways for your help though.
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11:23:34pixelman1s: I think the source archive broke with the new build system, I *thought* Zagor or Bagder would be aware
11:24:12pixelmait probably wouldn't have helped this guy though
11:24:51n1smaybe not
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11:44:43CIA-61New commit by 03mt (r22316): Correct the ffmpeg revision of libatrac and write more import details.
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14:53:26roolkulinuxstb: I have always used tortoisesvn and cygwin, however cygwin setup to use lf only
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15:12:52eidosorry real quick question, does rockbox support m4b?
15:14:28eidothe files were converted to m4b for compatability with an ipod and do not have drm in them
15:14:41markunshould work
15:14:59markundid you try it?
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15:15:35eidoalso i noticed you can resume play from a previously listened audio track but is there a way to bookmark tracks and then play other tracks and come back to it later
15:15:53eidoit seems it looses the bookmark when i play a different song
15:15:58Kohlrabim4b is just an apple rebranding of mp4 again?
15:17:25eidoexample i have a book that is several hours long and sometimes i listen to music in between hearing the book, after doing so i always have to seek back in the book
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15:20:19eidodoes that seem right, in regards to the bookmarking?
15:23:20linuxstbroolku: But the files downloaded by tortoise have CR+LF endings?
15:24:09linuxstbeido: The Rockbox manual describes its bookmarking features. But yes, I think it can do what you want.
15:24:24eidoyeah sorry reading it now
15:24:36eidoi read it before but i cant seem to figure it out
15:24:44eidoill get ith though
15:24:46eidothanks
15:24:54*linuxstb never uses bookmarks, so can't help
15:27:07eidook i had it set wrong, under general settings bookmarking i had it auto create bookmark and auto play last bookmark, i just set it to ask to create and ask to resume most recent
15:30:11roolkulinuxstb: yes, but the vast majority of programs can cope with either line ending
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15:33:48roolkulinuxstb: I guess so, or the problems were unrelated to the line endings
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15:47:13BdN3504do the gigabeat f and s use the same power adapter model?
15:47:25pixelmaroolku: any idea what is different with the pyros client that it produces a +190 Byte delta with the Iaudio M3 build?
15:47:42moosBdN3504: yes they do
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16:02:50bluebrotherdomonoky: it would be better to not have those extern "C" things in cpp includes but the included headers instead ...
16:03:25domonokybluebrother: true, i will change this.
16:03:46*bluebrother wondes if he didn't comment that on the task before
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16:10:38mt_hmm now at 57% realtime.
16:10:59linuxstbmt_: atrac3 on an e200?
16:11:41mt_linuxstb : Yes .. 25% speedup by using the asm multiply instructions.
16:12:12mt_I'll try putting atrac3context in iram.
16:18:21funmanmt_: do you have samples? i could try on my (faster) fuze
16:19:58amiconnmt_: Do you have any test results from coldfire targets yet?
16:20:05mt_funman: http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/AC-atrc/ - I'm testing on KingOfTheJailhouse.
16:20:14mt_amiconn: No not yet.
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16:21:27mt_There are still alignment problems with samples whose framsize is < 512 (fun and sich)
16:21:34funmanmt_: asm multiply instructions are not in svn yet, right?
16:21:36roolkupixelma: standard cygwin installation with the compiler packages from the rockbox site
16:21:58mt_funman: no, one second I'll produce a diff
16:22:20*amiconn wouldn't be able to use the cygwin packagaes from the rockbox site on his cygwin install
16:23:05amiconnlinuxstb, mt_: Are there plans to use the atrac decoder for plain atrac files as well? Do such files exist?
16:23:33pixelmaroolku: maybe it's due to cygwin then, I don't think there will be other build clients using it (or at least get to building usual builds)
16:25:02mt_amiconn: It seems from the code that atrac audio could exist in wav files, and the current decoder should be able to handle those.
16:25:53funmanis it possible to extract atrac files from sony walkmans (without drm) ?
16:26:11CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22320): Make mkamsboot Makefile more silent.
16:26:18mt_funman: http://www.pastie.org/584990
16:26:20funmanminidiscs could encode to atrac, but there was no way to read back the files
16:26:32*moos thinks his MD times and the silly sonic stage that used ATRAC
16:26:38moosyeah
16:26:41funmanmoos: :(
16:27:25funmansome people reverse engineered a model of minidisc and wrote an alternative firmware, but the information had been removed from the website by sony
16:27:45mt_I wrote the asm function for fixmul16, so I'm not sure if this is the best/fastest way of doing it.
16:28:02funmani doubt rockbox could be ported to these players anyway (they had no bitmap screens iirc)
16:28:16linuxstbfunman: Nor do all Rockbox targets...
16:28:29funmanlinuxstb: they don't have a character screen either
16:28:54funmanwell, a part of it at least.. (it could show titles) so perhaps i remember wrong
16:28:58amiconnImo rockbox could even be ported to a target without any screen
16:29:58moosa challenge for you amiconn :)
16:30:00amiconnVoice ui ftw
16:30:12funmanhttp://imagesa.ciao.com/ifr/images/products/normal/870/product-779870.jpg looks like a bitmap screen (much larger than the model i had)
16:33:24mt_There are 7 ( 1+2*3) memcpy's in atrac3.c that are done for each frame, could those cause a huge slow down ?
16:33:59funmanmt_: you know how to profile codecs?
16:34:45linuxstbmt_: Probably not huge, but if they can be avoided, it can't hurt...
16:35:04mt_funman: Haven't tried before.
16:36:15mt_linuxstb: That's why I asked, I want to focus now on things that could hurt. :)
16:36:32funmanhttp://www.minidisc.org/pony_mp3n1_interview.html damned, it was an april fool
16:36:51CIA-61New commit by 03blue_dude (r22321): FS #10526: mpegplayer audio out of sync, reverts r22280
16:37:02funmani don't remember it being an april fool back in the days i had read this very page
16:41:03funmanmt_: mc_sich_ra8_352.rm 173.9% realtime on fuze with your patch
16:41:31linuxstbfunman: What clock speed is the fuze's cpu?
16:41:50funman62MHz, 248MHz boosted
16:41:57mt_funman: Thanks !
16:42:15geo|ppcslow. srry, couldn't resist :)
16:42:21amiconnThe beast should play atrac realtime with no problem
16:42:47amiconnGigabeat F/X too, I suppose
16:43:16amiconnFor coldfire, proper iram usage is essential for good performance
16:43:19*amiconn will test in a bit
16:43:21mt_funman: Didn't sich_105 or FUN_RM cause data aborts ? (if you tried any..)
16:43:47mt_amiconn: I still haven't done the asm multiply functions for the coldfire though.
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16:45:12Blue_DudeHi guys. I just wanted to throw out a plea for help. Please apply FS #10199 on your favorite target for a bit and try it out. I don't want to commit this patch without more eyes looking at it first. Thanks!
16:45:19linuxstbgeo|ppc: You could start by modifying an existing one, to get an idea of how they work.
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16:45:42geo|ppcdidn't consider tht one :/
16:46:03funmanmt_: test_codec decodes them in 0.02s - i guess there is a problem
16:47:10geo|ppcwho else thinks the look on ppl's faces is quite funny when you say 'yea, I changed the OS on my mp3 player
16:48:12Blue_Dudegeo|ppc: I get the "you did WHAT?" look-of-panic. It is funny.
16:48:44geo|ppcor 'what's an OS?'
16:50:00funmani prefer "i wrote the OS on my mp3 player" but that can be discussed
16:52:30geo|ppcbut most ppl I kno think tht a desktop/lptp is the only thing tht can even HAVE an os. they don't consider their iPod/Sansa/etc. could have one
16:52:30CIA-61New commit by 03mt (r22322): Fix handling of unaligned input buffers in libatrac.
16:52:47Blue_Dudefunman: Yeah, but then you get the "But look what my new iPhone does". As though they were personally responsible for it.
16:53:26funmanBlue_Dude: but then i ask if it runs free software, and in this area rockbox clearly outperforms other devices
16:54:12Blue_Dudefunman: indeed, but they act so *smug* about the flashy interface I am boycotting iPhones on general principle.
16:54:14geo|ppc...and THT'S why I love open source
16:54:16mt_funman: ~53% realtime for FUN_RM on e200. :(
16:55:30funmanbutton code is responsible for togglign backlight when hold button has changed
16:55:48funmanbut which code is responsible for toggling button light when hold button changes?
16:56:31*geo|ppc is listening to one of the many xp sound remixes out there
16:58:14kugelfunman: I don't think there's code for it :)
16:58:42funmankugel: ah, then i think the buttonlight on my fuze goes off because the backlight is not powered when i switch hold
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16:59:45kugelthe buttonlight on the e200v1 isn't reacting on the hold at all
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17:00:31kugelpossibly
17:02:33bertrikfunman, had any luck with ams?
17:02:53CIA-61New commit by 03funman (r22323): Sansa Clip & m200v4 : calls backlight_hold_changed() when hold button is toggled
17:03:45funmanbertrik: the guy should send me a SMS tomorrow to manage a phone meeting (morning or afternoon)
17:04:50mt_amiconn: Is this correct : http://www.pastie.org/585013 ? (multiply and shift 16)
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17:07:28bertrikhm, why do we need backlight_hold_changed anyway, can't we do that with exisiting functionality?
17:10:03CIA-61New commit by 03Domonoky (r22324): libucl: move intermediate files into a build directory and allow to build a universal lib for macs.
17:10:58funmanbertrik: what do you mean? i think this function was recently introduced
17:12:06bertrikpeople can call button_hold to find out if the hold button is engaged
17:12:41bertrikthere should be a good reason to introduce all kinds of notifications back and forth
17:12:43funmanright , in the backlight thread
17:13:41funmanthis is old in fact : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5735 r10489 (3 years)
17:14:54funmansomehow this code had never been used for sansa clip and i remember the backlight turning off when switching the hold button
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17:16:20funmanand backlight_hold_changed only turns ON the backlight, not OFF
17:16:26*funman scratches head
17:16:50bertrikoh I see, the backlight_hold_changed was already present, still it feels like double functionality, I'd like to keep the APIs as clean as possible
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17:17:33funmanyou have my blessing to do it :)
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17:21:20Blue_Dudelinuxstb: I am pretty confident that FS #10199 will work as advertised, and that it won't break anything if it's not used at all. The big question is whether it'll even compile on all targets. If it compiles and links, then I think it'll behave. The real downside is that there will be big red deltas for RAM and bin size.
17:22:17linuxstbHow big?
17:22:32*funman stares at domonoky and mentions building libusb for ppc & i686 for e200rpatcher
17:22:42amiconnmt_: 140% realtime on the beast. So it's playing realtime, but there's still some work to do, given that this is an ARMv6 running at 264MHz
17:22:44Blue_Dudelinuxstb: How would I find out?
17:22:58linuxstbBlue_Dude: Compare rockbox-info.txt with and without your patch
17:23:14domonokyfunman: at moment i still struggle with using universal libucl and mkamsboot in rbutil
17:23:20linuxstbBlue_Dude: Unless you know approximately how much more RAM you're using.
17:23:26funmanBlue_Dude: ./utils/analysis/bloat-o-meter.py rockbox-old.elf rockbox-new.elf # for details
17:24:02Blue_Dudelinuxstb: It's complicated by IRAM usage. Let me run a couple of tests.
17:24:02funmandomonoky: i can access an osx computer if needed
17:24:16mt_amiconn: Thanks for testing, did you see my message about the coldfire fixmul16 function ?
17:24:59bluebrotherdomonoky: you're still editing the libucl Makefile? Otherwise I'm making that slightly more silent too :)
17:25:00amiconnYes, but I didn't check that yet
17:25:25domonokybluebrother: no i am finished with that.
17:25:33bluebrotherok
17:25:45CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22325): Make libucl Makefile more silent.
17:26:08CIA-61New commit by 03Domonoky (r22326): rbutil: use universal mkamsboot.a and libucl.a on mac.
17:27:34domonokyfunman: universal static lib usb is tricky on mac. i used a prebuild one (http://www.ellert.se/twain-sane/ somwhere deep in this package), and made sure only the .a is available for rbutil.
17:27:44funmanbluebrother: does your editor add the newline at the end of makefiles or do you do it yourself? (and why?)
17:28:46funmandomonoky: you could "only" build 2 times libusb.a with a different name for i386 & ppc, and then concatenate the 2 e200rpatcher into an universal binary
17:29:05domonokyfunman: the other way would be to build lib-usb your self for i386 and ppc and lipo them together afterwards.
17:29:24funmani was thinking of a rule to download & build libusb
17:29:29domonokyfunman: thats what we do with libucl, libmkamsboot and librbspeex in rbutil.
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17:30:17bluebrotherfunman: I do, and it's simply because I'm used to −− diff notes about a missing newline, and at least some versions of gcc want a newline at the end too, so I simply add it. Does it cause any issues?
17:30:21domonokyah with downloading would be nice. but thats a bit to difficult for as i only have remote access to a mac (not very comfortable).
17:30:50bluebrotherdownload and build libusb? For building rbutil?
17:30:59domonokyfunman: but if you want to try that, feel free :-)
17:31:04funmanbluebrother: no, just curiosity. gcc won't complain about makefiles though, but git complains if if files end with an empty newline in my diffs
17:31:15funmanbluebrother: for e200rpatcher
17:31:26domonokybluebrother: yes, because its very difficult to get a universal lib-usb on mac
17:31:34bluebrotherfunman: ah. Btw, I'm using git here too (except when working on w32 ;-)
17:33:08funmandomonoky: s/custum/custom/ (in r22326)
17:33:49domonoky:-)
17:35:19domonokybluebrother: do you have any idea how to call external makefiles for "clean" in rbutilqt.pro ? at moment we dont clean the external targets with "make clean" in rbutil.
17:37:01funmandomonoky: $(MAKE) -C ../../foo clean
17:37:28linuxstbfunman: Why would git complain about empty newlines? i.e. what's wrong with them? (I would guess almost all files in Rockbox end with a newline character)
17:37:29domonokyfunman: sure, but we have to somehow confice qmake to put this into the clean target :-)
17:38:01funmanlinuxstb: i can't remember, i'm checking the git hooks to see what would have enabled this fascist check ..
17:38:57funmani had enabled a check for line endings with blank characters to remove them from my diffs, perhaps this newline check came with it
17:39:09amiconnmt_: atrac doesn't play on coldfire at all (with the C code)
17:39:44funmanlinuxstb: git diff −−check
17:39:47funmanfirmware/target/arm/as3525/usb-as3525.c:60: ends with blank lines.
17:40:08amiconnmt_: On PP5002 (ipod G2) it's 21% realtime, meaning that iram usage needs to be improved
17:40:26mt_amiconn: Kind of expected :( (coldfire)
17:40:35amiconn(If iram is used properly, PP5002 should be (almost) as fast as PP502x)
17:41:00amiconnWhy is that?
17:42:45*linuxstb is also surprised that it doesn't work on coldfire - presumably the original ffmpeg code is endian etc safe
17:44:48funmanthe check for empty newlines at the end of file is tied to the check for "trailing-space" (it's the name of the option)
17:45:40kugelman, give mt_ a cf device :)
17:46:11funmanbetter give bryanjacobs a clip ;=)
17:46:16funmansee you
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17:46:41saratogamt: did you try putting those lookup tables in IRAM?
17:46:52saratogai suspect they're used very, very often
17:47:16mt_kugel: I would gladly accept such offer. :D
17:47:24mt_saratoga: Not yet, will try now.
17:47:33saratogaregarding memcpy, its usually pretty cheap if you can arrange it to always happen in IRAM
17:47:40saratogamemcpy to DRAM should be avoided if possible
17:48:26bluebrotherdomonoky: no, at least not for addint them to the clean target. Though I'm wondering if we should clean those libs and if it is a good idea to have them in the pro file at all −− I'm thinking if it would be better to not build them at all but use a separate script that triggers them.
17:48:40saratogai think the next step is to try and drop any redundant buffers, put them in IRAM, and then see where you are
17:48:50bluebrotherfor cleaning we could of course go the way we do right now and simply add targets like libucl_clean and so on.
17:48:55saratogamemory optimizations are usually the easiest and most effective on PP and Coldfire
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17:49:32saratogai don't have acecss to my source checkout, but i can look at it later this weekend or on monday perhaps
17:50:04domonokybluebrother: i tried adding libucl_clean targets and adding it to CLEAN_DEPS but then the Makefile goes strange and tries to clean multiple times.. :-/
17:50:27domonokyif you find a nice solution then those QMAKE_EXTRA_TARGETS i am all for it.
17:51:08bluebrothernice :| Well, for now I don't consider it a big issue that the libs don't get cleaned.
17:51:47bluebrotherwell, maybe something like the deploy-release.py script? That also copies the .a files to some location in the build folder.
17:52:29bluebrotherunfortunately all those QMAKE_EXTRA_TARGETS break out-of-tree building. Something I'd like to have (at least someday later)
17:53:18*domonoky wants rbutil someday as a configure targets, and then make automated builds :-)
17:53:50*bertrik adds yet another backlight-target.h file
17:54:22saratogai'm pretty sure we have an ASM version of the windowing part of IMLT() somewhere, perhaps in Vorbis or AAC
17:54:44mt_amiconn: Could you try this for coldfire ? http://www.pastie.org/585036.txt
17:55:17domonokybluebrother: and we should combine all those release_xyz scripts for rbutil. (we have one for mac, one for win/lin, and one for the source)
17:55:25bluebrotherwhy configure target? That would imply building it for a special Rockbox target. I'd rather have it separately −− there's no problem in creating automated builds ...
17:55:39saratogamt_: good luck I have to go
17:55:45saratogacongrats again on your work
17:56:02mt_saratoga: Thanks a lot :)
17:56:07bluebrotherdomonoky: feel free to extend the deploy script to incorporate the mac parts. I would have done that but I simply have no way to check, so I didn't do it.
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17:59:29domonokybluebrother: haveing it as configure target would ease integration into the build client. But it probably not soo hard to change the buildclient to call different things for a rbutil build.
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18:02:00domonokybluebrother: i would happily test the release script for macs, but i dont want to learn yet another language :-) (i could also give you the login to jdgordons mac, so you could test yourself :-) )
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18:15:05amiconnmt_: That patch doesn't do anything. 'make' just says Nothing to be done for `all'.
18:16:06*amiconn would also appreciate standard patches, i.e. such that they can be applied from the root of the working copy, using -p0 or -p1
18:17:25*bertrik too
18:17:58mt_amiconn: Yes sorry about that ..
18:19:41mt_amiconn: Here's the standard one : http://www.pastie.org/585047.txt . Both work for me though, I don't know why make would say there's nothing to be done unless bswap.h wasn't actually changed.
18:20:03amiconnIt was, after I figured out how to apply this patch
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18:24:14linuxstbmt_: The atrac3 bswap.h uses WORDS_BIGENDIAN and the cook bswap.h uses ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN - is that right?
18:25:51mt_linuxstb: yes - cook used WORDS_.. too but I changed it. I just wanted to make sure that's the only problem with the coldfire.
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18:27:46mt_bswap.h didn't include ffmpeg-config.h (which the patch should fix), which defines WORDS_BIGENDIAN for big endian tragets.
18:28:13*amiconn thinks he knows why 'make' didn't do anything
18:28:18linuxstbThe libcook version of bswap.h doesn't do that either.
18:28:24Blue_Dudeok, I've compiled two versions, and run bloat-o-meter. But I get: bad interpreter: no such file or directory. I'm running cygwin with the rockbox defaults. Do I need to go back in and install something?
18:28:38amiconnProbably outdated dependency file. I'll do a full rebuild
18:29:33linuxstbBlue_Dude: Do you have python installed?
18:29:41mt_linuxstb: The libcook version defines ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN directly.
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18:29:55Blue_Dudelinuxstb: I do if the default is to install it.
18:30:04Blue_DudeOtherwise probably not.
18:30:39linuxstbBlue_Dude: Type "python" to find out.
18:31:11*linuxstb hands mt_ the word "consistency" ;)
18:31:48amiconnmt_: The patch fixes the codec on coldfire, but it is very slow
18:31:54amiconnAround 13% realtime
18:32:02linuxstbmt_: I see there are now three copies of ffmpeg's bswap.h - maybe move it into the codec lib (and rename it something like ffmpeg_bswap.h) ?
18:32:49mt_linuxstb: sure, this isn't the final change, as I said - I just wanted to make sure that this was the only problem on cf's :)
18:33:00mt_amiconn: Thanks.
18:34:07mt_linuxstb: Good idea.
18:34:49mt_linuxstb: I'm guessing by the third you meant libwma's ?
18:34:58linuxstbYes.
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18:49:56Blue_Dudelinuxstb: python: command not found. I'll go back and rerun cygwin setup.
18:50:55CIA-61New commit by 03mt (r22328): remove duplicates of bswap.h from libwma, libcook and libatrac. Create codecs/lib/ffmpeg_bswap.h and use it instead.
18:52:14Blue_Dudelinuxstb: python has a mess of options. What will I need to install?
18:52:51BdN3504can i somehow assign #define BUTTON_RC_DSP 0x00008000 to function as BUTTON_POWER? i'd like my gigabeat to power up when i press the spkr+ button on the remote
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18:56:04kugelBdN3504: you can't control or change anything when the device is off
18:57:00BdN3504that's sad... is there any explanation for this?
18:57:12kugelthe device is off
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18:57:44kugelI'm not sure how you think rockbox would run if the dap isn't powered
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18:59:28BdN3504ok, i see what you mean. but can this not be implemented in the bootloader?
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19:00:26kugeldude, software can only run if the machine is powered.
19:00:28rasherBdN3504: The bootloader only runs when the device is turned on.
19:00:29domonoky1no. no software runs when the device is off. the power-on function of the power button is hardware.
19:01:11BdN3504ok, but in button target h it reads "Buttons on the remote are translated into equivalent button presses just"
19:01:28BdN3504as if you were pressing them on the Gigabeat itself.
19:02:02BdN3504so i can't take this verbatim?
19:02:28CIA-61New commit by 03Domonoky (r22329): rbutil: add a errorlog function into rbutil and the possibility to save a log if a error happens. (thanks to bluebrother for the trace functionality)
19:02:54markundaurn: strangely the power-on through remote did work, at least with the OF
19:03:06markuneh, that was for domonoky1
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19:03:36rasherBdN3504: Only when software is running.
19:03:42kugelBdN3504: You really need energy to run machines to execute code. Turning a device on hasn't anything to do with code
19:03:54linuxstbBlue_Dude: I've no idea about python.
19:03:59markunare we talking about the Gigabeat F?
19:04:06BdN3504yes
19:04:18markunsomehow the remote can make the player wake up from sleep
19:04:22markunbut I don't know how it works
19:04:27kugelbbb
19:04:46kugeloops
19:04:55linuxstbmarkun: Does the OF actually power-off, or just go into a low-clock mode?
19:05:27markunI think neither the OF nor rockbox can do a full power off
19:05:37markunonly sleep mode
19:05:46markunkkurbjun: can you help us out?
19:05:48linuxstbSo it possibly sets the CPU to wake on serial interrupt (or whatever...)
19:06:04kkurbjunthe bootloader can wake on interrupts
19:06:11BdN3504that's why you always hear a click, when you plug in a headphone, even when the device is turned off, right?
19:06:17kkurbjunactaully it does when you set an alarm
19:06:25kkurbjunand the power button for that matter
19:06:54markunkkurbjun: can you explain how the OF can wake up if you hold the power button on the remote?
19:07:10markunrockbox doesn't do that, right?
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19:07:23markun(play button I mean)
19:08:04kkurbjunYou would have to have the adc setup so that it is in an interrupt mode.. and then a handler that would instigate an adc conversion and check if it matched the right button on the remote
19:08:11kkurbjunrockbox doesn't do it
19:08:58kkurbjunI don't know if you can do it.. I don't know if the adc is a wakeup source
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19:09:06kkurbjunyou could definately do it on headphone detect
19:09:13markunwell, in the OF it works
19:11:41kugelthen you can probably do that
19:11:45kugel:)
19:12:13kkurbjunhmm, I'm not seeing a clear way that it is done from looking at the datasheet, but that's just a brief look through
19:13:05kkurbjunthe wakeups are triggered with EINTS or the alarm - it doesn't mention the ADC
19:13:44kkurbjunare the remote pins somehow connected to one of the GPIO's as well?
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19:16:21kkurbjunIf I had to guess I would say that the remote may also be connected to a pin on one of the ports set to input. The adc should still be able to work and if you have a remote press that is a high enough threshold it could trigger an interrupt
19:16:26kkurbjunbut I don't really know
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19:22:48Blue_Dudelinuxstb: ok, I've got bloat results. Now how do I interpret them.
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19:24:49Blue_DudeThe bottom line on this build (e200 target) is 6968 bytes. The breakdown indicates that most of the bloat is in buffer space and the process itself.
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19:34:32kugelBlue_Dude: do you intend to redo r22280 properly or did you drop it entirely?
19:35:45Blue_Dudekugel: To be honest I thought it would be transparent. But if it does actual harm then its not worth doing. I don't know enough about how the mpeg decoder works to keep audio in sync if the audio packets change size.
19:36:18Blue_Dudekugel: So I guess I'm going to drop it.
19:36:51kugelalright
19:37:09kugelbertrik: did you happen to do anything about the list.c thing?
19:46:35bertrikno, not yet
19:47:27domonoky1bertrik: did you find anything about the powermanagement on m200v4 ?
19:48:27bertrikdomonoky1, yes I did find some settings for some of the voltage regulator registers, I don't have that info with me though (not at home right now)
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19:49:05domonoky1nice. please send this info to me when you find time for it, and i will try it on my m200v4.
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19:50:58bertrikdomonoky1, ok I will
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19:55:37TechOutsiderChanServ: hi
19:56:03bertrikkugel, regarding the list thing, I was thinking of putting my thoughts about it on the mailing list
19:56:15TechOutsiderCan rockbox do voice commands? Many DAPs now have a line-in ...
19:56:48bertrikTechOutsider, rockbox cannot do speech recognition or anything similar
19:57:08bluebrotherTechOutsider: there is no helper in this channel
19:57:42TechOutsiderChanServ: Is that a technical limitation? Can it be added in a future release, that would be interesting.
19:57:54domonoky1TechOutsider: rockbox can speak its menus etc, but doesnt have voice recognition.
19:58:18bluebrotherTechOutsider: why are you hilighting ChanServ? That's a Freenode bot.
19:58:37TechOutsiderOops
19:58:39domonoky1TechOutsider: it could be added, if someone code such a voice recognition modul.. go for it :-)
19:59:03TechOutsiderHow much RAM do DAPs typically have?
19:59:24bluebrotherdepends. Some targets have 32MB, some eve 64MB, some only 2MB.
19:59:27bluebrother*even
19:59:28domonoky1anything between 2MB -> 64MB for targets where rockbox runs on.
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20:04:37TechOutsiderDoes rockbox work with teh Fuze yet?
20:05:32TechOutsiderWait .. not fully :)
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20:08:57Topy44hm, petur announced ages ago that he wanted to reimplement whats left of the REP... anyone know if he ever did work on it?
20:09:12Topy44still missing the histogram
20:10:09Topy44last comment on flyspray was on 19. october last year
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20:28:47kugelbertrik: you can do that
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20:31:33Topy44hm... i once found a really nice build how-to on the page, but i cant seem to find it back...
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20:34:03Topy44aaah, never mind, found it
20:41:26amiconnmt_: r22328 fixes atrac on coldfire as well I presume?
20:41:48mt_Yes.
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20:58:02CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22330): Fix a warning.
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21:04:49CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22331): Remove resolution from system configuration as it isn't used anymore.
21:08:16kugelmt: I was slightly shocked at first :D
21:12:20bluebrotherBagder: what do you think about silencing curl on build upload for the clients? The console output gets sometimes "interleaved" between curl and messages
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21:16:22CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22332): Set svn:executable property.
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22:19:47bluebrotherdomonoky1: thoughts? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-unsupported.jpg
22:22:23Bagderbluebrother: sure, go ahead
22:22:53kugelcan we have a switch to override that behavior?
22:23:30bluebrotherwhich behaviour?
22:23:44kugelwhat's being shown on your pic
22:24:14kugelor will bad things happen if one tries to install a bootloader where no files are on the download server?
22:24:15bluebrotherwhat's the point in overriding a notice when detection failed?
22:24:34bluebrotherthat's about _detection_, not _selection_
22:25:12kugelso you still can select the player after clicking this message away?
22:25:13bluebrotherwe have this dialog since quite a while. I've changed the information in it.
22:25:23bluebrotheryou don't need to use autodetection at all.
22:25:29bluebrotherand you never needed to.
22:25:41kugelah alright then
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22:29:01bluebrotherhmm. Rockbox Utility uses Tango icons, which are (at least the files on my box) CC-by-sa. Previously those icons were GPL IIRC.
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22:29:34bluebrotherthat would require (and it might be a good idea anyway) to mention the tango project in the credits.
22:29:42bluebrotheranyone familiar with licenses?
22:30:15kugelCC-by-SA requires mentioning yes
22:30:36kugeland yea, I think it's a good idea anyway
22:30:41bluebrothernice, the URL mentioned in the rpm package is parked now :/
22:31:07pixelmaI remember some discussions about it because tango icon variants are used by cabbiev2 (except on the small screens)
22:31:09Bagderlicense or not, a mention it should still get
22:31:12bluebrotherwell, back when we copied the icons they were GPL, so that doesn't apply to the old icons.
22:31:18pixelmabut forgot details
22:33:37bluebrotherhmm. Put it into the list of names or below the (c) notice?
22:33:50*bluebrother kinda favours the latter
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22:35:36bluebrotherinteresting. Tango icons are now public domain according to their website
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22:53:29amiconnmt: Your coldfire fixmul16 is not correct. You need to shift left by 15 bits, not 16.
22:53:56amiconnAlso, if you're using the emac this way, you need to make sure it's in the correct mode (fractional mode, no rounding, in this case)
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22:55:02amiconnThis should be done somewhere in the codec init. The emac mode is part of the thread state, so unless some other part of the codec thread sets it different, it will be kept
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22:56:42tonyspeaksWould someone please help a visuall impaired man with an error message generated while creating voice files on the latest stable RB release?
22:57:24linuxstbtonyspeaks: What program are you using to generate the voice files?
22:57:32tonyspeaksthe rock box utility.
22:57:58linuxstbOn windows?
22:58:10tonyspeaksit says the download file is empty. I always create my own because the ready made one has some errors in it that read the wrong text for the various menus.
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22:58:22tonyspeaksyes windows
22:58:48bluebrotherthat's a known issue. You need to install the latest build (not release) for that to work
22:59:03tonyspeaksah ok
22:59:16tonyspeaksthank you .
22:59:54bluebrotherhmm. Seems the USB IDs for e200v2 and fuze are swapped in rbutil.ini. Can anyone confirm if DeviceDetection is correct or not?
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23:00:17kugelgive me a second
23:01:45tonyspeaksis that the button that says "current build" or "archived build."
23:02:00kugelbluebrother: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0781:74c1 SanDisk Corp. Sansa Fuze (msc)
23:02:14bluebrothertonyspeaks: one of both. We usually recomment "current build". Archived builds are generated once per day.
23:02:26tonyspeaksoki doki
23:02:36bluebrotherkugel: ok, then the usb ids are swapped but not the error (i.e. MTP) IDs.
23:03:01linuxstbmt: Your commit to move bswap.h raises the question of the three versions of bitstream.h as well... Also, did you need to change the #include "bswap.h" ? I thought the codeclib directory was in the include path already?
23:03:38kugelZagor: http://pastie.org/585260 might be of interest for you
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23:05:17kugelin short, some clients seem to ignore the queue'ing (they start builds in the wrong order) and do parallel builds, this can be seen on rashers graphs
23:05:22CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22333): Fix up some USB IDs. ...
23:05:44Zagorkugel: yes, I've seen that. it's clearly a bug.
23:06:11*bluebrother wonders why kugel didn't link to the irc logs directly
23:06:21*linuxstb wonders why a lot of build-system talk happens unlogged in -community
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23:06:32kugelbluebrother: we had this in -community :(
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23:06:36*bluebrother overlooked that. D'oh!
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23:09:00Zagorlinuxstb: no good reason. we should probably discuss it here instead.
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23:13:54Zagorkugel: to clarify, the bug is in the build server and not in rashers visualization.
23:14:23mtlinuxstb: Yes I thought of bitstream.h too but I was in a rush so couldn't do anything about it. Also, make gave me an error when I depended on codeclib being the include path .. but now it seems like it was an outdated dependency problem, will fix now.
23:14:24BdN3504who wants to commit this patch for me? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10530
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23:19:06bluebrotherBdN3504: I'd suggest changing your real name in the flyspray profile ...
23:19:54mtlinuxstb: Oh but for the test programs, I'd have to include "../lib/ffmpeg_bswap.h"
23:20:29linuxstbmt: Or add something like "-I ../lib" to the include path in the Makefiles
23:21:52mtOh, right :)
23:22:31BdN3504done
23:23:07linuxstbamiconn, mt: (continuing the earlier conversation), I've just noticed that atrac3.c lists the following container formats as being used with atrac3 - "RealMedia (.rm), RIFF WAV (.wav, .at3), Sony OpenMG (.oma, .aa3)."
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23:39:52CIA-61New commit by 03bluebrother (r22335): Add explanation on how to invoke the vbrfix plugin (FS #10530 by David Kauffmann).
23:41:31BdN3504bluebrother: thanks! what do you think about sectioning the viewers section? (no pun intended)
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23:45:57bluebrotherBdN3504: well, I'm not sure about that −− it might get too sectioned. OTOH I'm not too happy with the plugins part in general.
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23:47:04bluebrotherespecially this separation in viewers and other plugins is a bit strange −− while viewers are special it's a bit surprising if you don't know how it works. Plus, some plugins can get invoked as viewer and through the menu.
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