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#rockbox log for 2009-08-21

00:00:36 Quit explore ("Lost terminal")
00:00:38kugelI'm not asking "what", but "why is the complexity worth going with, instead of simply appending"
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00:01:18JdGordon|its not complex at all
00:01:43*JdGordon| will give it one last try...
00:01:48BBBradleykugel: pixelma: my wps %mv command works, thanks guys!
00:03:08bluebrotherwell, the recorder8mb brings up the question if we want to continue distributing a build for a modded player. No other modded player gets a build distributed.
00:03:22JdGordon|the skins have 2 major RAM usages, the tokens and the images... the size of both are unknown at load time. there are also the other stuff (viewport structs, progressbar structs, gui_img structs, etc) all with fixed sizes that need to be loaded *during* parsing and cant move after its finished... the *only* way to do with without wasting ram is the "complex" way I've done
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00:04:19JdGordon|tokens load as much as needed, static data gets alloced as needed, once the tokens are finished being parsed the unused ram gets dealloced and the images then get loaded to the same spot
00:04:35*JdGordon| thinks its a rather elegant and brilliant solution :D
00:04:49kugelof course you think that ;)
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00:05:09JdGordon|why of course? I'm incredibly modest!
00:05:24kugelas I would if it was my idea
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00:07:36fmlHello. I'm trying to apply FS #8768 and get compile errors in the lines with this code: rb->cpu_boost(true); (this is a plugin). How can it be?
00:08:23kugelJdGordon|: I'm not sure I understood that
00:08:49JdGordon|which part?
00:09:10kugelisn't everything unknown while parsing
00:09:20kugeland the size of a token is fixed, isn't it?
00:09:24stripwaxfml - what are the compile errors? (would help..)
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00:11:31fmlstripwax: Sorry, sure: /src/apps/plugins/pitch.c:503: error: expected identifier before ‘;’ token
00:11:34kugeland it makes later buffer_alloc()ing hard which you planned?
00:12:01fmlstripwax: same for the line 556
00:12:01kugelnot buffer_alloc'ing a fixed size chosen by the user, but allocating the amount a theme actually needs
00:12:27kugelalso that part might be very hard either way
00:12:38pixelmastripwax: you looked into problems with shuffled playlist last time... with a build of yesterday morning I get the problem again that when resuming a playlist created with "insert shuffled" then the playlist is shifted (the resumed song is either the first song, and once it was the last, one time it was correct though - out of 5...6 tries)
00:12:59JdGordon|kugel: nothing changed with the buffer_alloc()ing.. the difference is how that allocated ram is used
00:13:14JdGordon|this is all skin buffer *only*
00:13:24stripwaxfml - what device are you compiling for? if you put #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ on the line immediately prior and #endif on the line immediately after , does it work?
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00:13:39stripwaxpixelma - really? sigh. someone broke it again?
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00:14:12stripwaxoh wait, that's a different one. resuming an already-shuffled playlist, after stopping playback?
00:14:21pixelmayes
00:14:35stripwaxI don't recall that problem, nor fixing it :) was that bug there in previous builds also?
00:15:33pixelmaI think I have seen it beforem but sometimes it's gone and then it's back
00:15:36stripwaxthe bugs I fixed were all related to editing playlists (moving/deleting) when it had been created shuffled
00:15:38kugelJdGordon|: so why can't tokens be appanded as everything else?
00:16:04JdGordon|because we dont know how many we need to allocate.. and everything expets them as an array
00:16:05JdGordon|http://pastebin.com/m1899b692
00:16:51fmlstripwax: yes, that worked! Thanks!
00:17:13stripwaxfml cool! could you update the patch on the tracker ? :-)
00:17:22kugelI understood how it works, that's not the problem (nice figure anyway :p )
00:18:17kugelah, "everything expects them as an array", so you wanted to save the next pointer?
00:18:27JdGordon|yes
00:18:29kugeland fixing the assumptions
00:18:46JdGordon|using a linked list would have doubled the ram usage
00:19:06JdGordon|and made the display-er slower
00:19:07CIA-61New commit by 03zagor (r22444): Make apps/features depend on config*.h
00:19:20kugelthanks, that's the answer I wanted
00:19:34Zagorkugel: there you go
00:19:52kugelawesome
00:20:01kugelerrno.o lol :)
00:21:01Zagorit's the smallest file that does the job :)
00:21:12stripwaxpixelma - is your one already in the patch tracker? and −− important −− is it reproducible (e.g. step by step)?
00:21:26stripwaxpixelma - ^bug tracker - not patch tracker, obviously
00:21:31Zagordependencies for created sources is a delicate thing
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00:22:10fmlstripwax: sure. One question though: is there a symbol I can check for to see if the player has recording capability? HAVE_RECORDING?
00:22:14kugelYoshihisa Uchida has 32 open tasks :((
00:22:51stripwaxfml - great question - there is but off the top of my head can't remember what. take a look at the config-xxx.h files?
00:22:55pixelmafml: that exists, yes
00:23:17stripwaxyeah, HAVE_RECORDING
00:23:20fmlpixelma: right answer! Next question: what is its name?
00:23:33stripwaxsee above
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00:24:20pixelmaI was referring to HAVE_RECORDING
00:24:20stripwaxliterally −− #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING , etc
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00:25:28kugelZagor: I just notice this bug was reported http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9936
00:25:34fmlOk. I'd also like to change the plugin name from "pitch" to something like "tuner" or "pitch_detector". Or anything better.
00:25:50stripwaxtuner is good
00:26:15fmlstripwax: tuner could be understood as something related to radio.
00:26:25Zagorkugel: aha that was my first idea, but $(MODELNAME) is not consistent with the names of the config-* files
00:26:35stripwaxbah, true! ok, "instrument tuner"?
00:26:41kugelit can be closed then, I think
00:26:48Zagorheh, which boris says in the comment :)
00:27:04fmlstripwax: I've already svn added the file pitch.c. How should I proceed to correctly rename it to something esle?
00:27:36fmlstripwax: it doesn't tune actually, just detects the pitch :-)
00:28:07kugelZagor: jsut config.h wouldn't have worked? it includes the config-<model>.h
00:28:30Zagorno, because config.h itself does not depend on anything since it is not a target
00:28:31MG_ManThere, now just the buttons need to be re-made
00:28:40kugelI see
00:28:54Zagorso it would have *only* depended on config.h and thus not detected changes in config-*
00:29:16stripwaxfml - if it's only added not committed, can delete and readd?
00:29:28pixelmastripwax: not sure, I haven't put it there, maybe it was reported once but closed or so. I will check and if it's not there, report it (not now though, need some sleep). It's easy to reproduce - create a playlist with "insert shuffled" on a folder, note the order, stop when it plays something else then the first song, stop, resume
00:29:48pixelmayou only need to stop once ;)
00:29:53kugelpitchbox or rockpitch, obviously ;)
00:29:56stripwaxinteresting. repro in sim also?
00:30:01JdGordon|pixelma: that sounds familiar...
00:30:01stripwaxpitchbox is actually pretty awesome
00:30:08pixelmahaven't tried
00:30:12JdGordon|rockpitchbox!
00:30:20*stripwax chokes
00:30:27JdGordon|boxpitchrocks!
00:30:41pixelmaJdGordon|: yeah, seems to be gone and then back every now and then
00:30:50JdGordon|grrrr
00:31:02fmlI named id pitch_detector for now. No boxes anymore!
00:31:31JdGordon|whats wrong with "instrument tuner"?
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00:32:31kugelsaratoga: have you looked in any of the codecs Yoshihisa Uchida uploaded?
00:32:53fmlJdGordon: it doesn't tune, just tells you the pitch (IIUC). You're then free to tune as you like :-)
00:33:38stripwaxdoes it have cool options for different scale tunings, or just tell you the pitch of the currently played input sound?
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00:34:12*stripwax could just read the patch tracker entry .. one sec..
00:34:33fmlstripwax: I haven't run it yet!
00:34:49stripwaxha!
00:36:22fmlstripwax: just fixed some formalities :-)
00:37:21stripwaxso, this uses FFT - don't we already have FFT lib in rockbox plugin library , used by the spectrograph plugin?
00:37:55stripwaxFS #10065
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00:38:43stripwaxoh. it's not in lib, and it's not in svn anyway. ignore me. would be good to share the code though, especially if you're committing one of these two patches already :)
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00:40:06kugelahh database browsing is so much faster now
00:40:11kugel(on the fuze w/ dircache)
00:40:23kugeland tc_ramcache
00:41:48JdGordon|8mb ram and you're wasting it on ramcache + dircache on aflash target?>!
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00:42:18kugelJdGordon|: No, I don't waste
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00:43:25pixelmaso how much does dircache and database use now in your case?
00:43:35kugel~300k
00:44:10stripwaxhow big is the FAT itself in a fat32 setup? or, maybe, why does the disk totally thrash when starting up when dircache is enabled, but not thrash when buffering audio
00:45:52pixelmakugel: really, both together? I remember dircache alone needing over 500k on my 20GB M5
00:47:29bertrikthe meizu m6 display driver is coming along
00:47:55kugelpixelma: yea, remeber this is only a 2GB fuze + 4GB microsd :)
00:48:18kugelbertrik: the "scaled-down to 16bit" version?
00:48:33kugelI thought the meizu already had display working
00:48:35bertrikkugel, I haven't really decided about that yet :)
00:48:58bertrikthat was the meizu m3 (music card), not the m6 (mini player)
00:49:04kugeloh
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00:49:11kugelyou have two meizus now?`
00:49:16pixelmaI expected at least an 8GB microSD and more internal memory
00:49:19kugelI guess you never come back to ams then :(
00:50:06stripwaxLooks like something like 8MB alone for the FAT on a ~60GB ipod5g . hm. could we just load it in one big go, if there is sufficient memory, and then parse the structures to build the dircache, without repeatedly seeking all over the disk?
00:50:43pixelmastripwax: are you on a 5.5G Video?
00:50:48stripwax5G.
00:50:52stripwax60GB.
00:51:09bertrikkugel, I borrowed gevaerts' m3 and I bought an m6 that is still at markun's place
00:52:18kugelyou're doing the driver without having hardware?
00:52:44bertrikyes
00:53:24*kugel really likes the custom statusbar
00:54:57stripwaxpixelma - is the 5G 60GB disk access crippled in some way due to the support for the 80GB disk hack (that I don't remember the details for, but know that there is only one build shared between both 5G 60GB and 5.5G 80GB)
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00:59:43kugelstripwax: the build isn't shared
01:00
01:00:04stripwaxkugel - they both have 64MB
01:00:14kugelthe 5G too?
01:00:20stripwaxand the download page says "iPod Video 60/80GB"
01:00:38kugelI thought 5 vs 5.5G was the RAM and the disk capacity
01:01:00stripwaxthere is a 5G 30GB, 5G 60GB, 5.5G 30GB and 5.5G 80GB
01:01:07stripwaxthe 60GB and 80GB have 64MB
01:04:48kugelhttp://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/sb.png ;;
01:05:27kugelstripwax: I didn't know that
01:06:17stripwaxkugel - do you happen to know if the 60/80GB build has less efficient disk access than the 30GB build?
01:07:55kugelno sorry
01:08:37kugelI'd expect them to work the same
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01:08:59stripwaxcool.
01:09:11stripwaxpixelma - hey, so that leads to me to wonder why you asked if I was on 5.5G? :-)
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01:10:58pixelmajust curious and I thought I remembered something about disk "performance" with the 80GB disk. Sorry, I don't know the details
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01:12:29stripwaxas long as the disk "performance" with 80GB (that I also heard of) doesn't affect the 60GB in the same unified build, I'm good
01:13:09UnhelpfulMG_Man: well, you can't center 71x71 on the screen, it'll always be off by one. but yes, any size that fits on the screen should work.
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01:19:18stripwaxpixelma - still can't reproduce your shuffled resume issue in sim. sorry.
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01:53:00MG_ManDon't worry, I'm not having it centered
01:53:07MG_ManBut I put it at 72x72 anyway
01:53:19MG_ManWhen I re-did everything to avoid copyright issues
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02:16:07n1skugel: database *browsing* should not be affected by dircache at all...
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04:48:49MG_ManHow we missed you
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05:49:54*Unhelpful is.. a little bit confused by the new AAF patch. ALPHA_COLOR_FONT_DEPTH is 2, so it would seem as though AA fonts ought to be 2bpp? but the code sure seems to act as though they are 4bpp...
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06:17:31MG_ManJust to clarify
06:17:34MG_ManWhat is AA fonts?
06:17:37MG_ManAnti-aliasing?
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06:19:06UnhelpfulMG_Man: yes. a work-in-progress feature for color targets.
06:19:15MG_ManI see
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08:22:26MG_ManWPS
08:22:38MG_ManIts both one of the strangest 'languages' I've seen but also one of the easiest
08:22:48MG_ManSO kudos to the devs for that
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09:10:00MG_ManIs it possible to draw text OVER an image in a viewport?
09:10:17MG_ManWhere they would be on the same line
09:10:19MG_ManWait
09:10:24MG_ManNo, I just figured out a workaroud
09:12:21MG_ManOr not
09:14:32MG_ManThat's bullcrap :C
09:15:31MG_ManSo no matter what, in the same viewport, text will always be behind images?
09:15:53MG_ManThat's a little backwards if you ask me
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09:28:19Ray_Lighthi guys
09:28:42Ray_Lightcan creative zen touch be modded ?
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10:45:35pixelman1s: seems to be the bug, the options "view current playlist" etc. are voiced with a current build and voice on my c200
10:47:48n1sah, i saw he mentioned voicing playlist *contents* but yeah reading it again i think i agree, i wonder if this is that rbutil installing the current voicefile for releases too bug...
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11:14:18Unhelpfulyou never get exactly the size you ask for... though i've gotten it very slightly closer. the real PITA is that 1) you have to find by trial-and-error the requested size that will get you the output size you want 2) going up by one in requested size may step by 2 in output size - sometimes the size you'd like just isn't possible.
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13:12:57biengoI just registered on the Twiki as BenediktGoos to add an article I found about rockbox. I'd need write permission though, if someone would be so kind.
13:14:56biengothe article in question: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/247106/upgrade-your-mp3-player-with-rockbox
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13:17:35moosbiengo: that's done
13:18:10biengothanks mate
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13:23:24moosbiengo: you are elcome
13:23:32mooswelcome even
13:26:13moosbiengo: here where you could link in: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ArticlesAboutRockbox
13:26:46biengothanks. I'm on it :)
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14:21:38joboydoes anyone know if the playlist_control file will automatically be created in memory on a read-only rockbox root? I'm trying to figure out why using the database fails but "normal" playlist/directory playling works perfectly (save for an error message that apparently has no concequence.. still can resume playback after stopping, without a shutdown obviously)
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17:10:32dionoeateru: uploading the patch on the tracker would be nice :)
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17:15:05MG_ManAbout the images over text thing
17:15:09MG_ManI found another workaround
17:16:35MG_ManHurray, it worked
17:16:54MG_ManI'm going to put in the other fields before I show a screenshot though
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17:27:48MG_ManIs there a limit on viewports or something?
17:28:16MG_ManI'm getting ERR:Failed parsing on line 29: ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 110: "No token"
17:28:18MG_Manfor this line
17:28:25MG_Man%Vl|b|91|34|195|10|0|00FF00|000000|
17:28:42MG_ManI don't see anything inherently wrong with it, it's the same as the other viewports
17:30:00MG_ManThere's three viewports with identifier "a" then 3 more with "b"
17:30:08MG_ManBut when the "b"s start it craps out
17:30:28MG_ManThree viewports shae the identifier for an album art conditional
17:30:44MG_Manshare*
17:31:14pixelmawhich target/display is this for?
17:31:24MG_Maniriver h300
17:32:31pixelmathen you can't have a viewport that starts at x-position 91 and is 195 pixels wide, like you defined there - it would be wider than the display which is 220x176
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17:32:59MG_ManOh, why didn't I see that
17:33:04MG_ManI was sure i changed the X value
17:33:05MG_ManThanks
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17:34:25MG_ManThere we go
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17:44:01kkurbjunWrasher: The themes site currently won't work for any touchscreen target.. is is possible to disable checkwps on a per-target basis?
17:44:35rasherkkurbjunW: I'd rather not work around the actual proble (checkwps is broken)
17:45:08kkurbjunWrasher: problem is that I don't have control of when checkwps will be fixed
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17:45:22kkurbjunWand currently the site is useless for all touchscreens
17:45:33kkurbjunWor any target for that matter that includes newer tags
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17:46:17pixelmathere are also themes on there that are broken with an SVN build but weren't back then
17:46:19CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22450): Rockbox Utility: make chinachippatch translateable + update Dutch translation
17:47:21Hillshumthe commit message needs to be translated
17:47:39pixelmae.g. the one c200 theme I only tried today to test Rockbox Utility on Mac OSX
17:47:53rasherkkurbjunW: I hope you can understand I'm not very interested in removing or disabling the checkwps code, which is working perfectly fine, because checkwps is broken
17:48:44MG_Manhmm
17:48:56MG_ManIt seems nobody likes displaying over images
17:49:12MG_ManGonna have to do more hacking...
17:50:48kkurbjunWrasher, I can appreciate it, but if nothing happens the site says pointless - I may as well go back to starting a wiki for touchscreen themes :-D
17:51:01rasherOr fix checkwps
17:51:47kkurbjunWrasher: I am not familiar with that code and currently my availability to work on it are limited
17:52:20rasherI just don't think disabling useful and working code is a good solution
17:52:45kkurbjunWif it's so much trouble to disable it for now, I'll just start a wiki
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17:56:18rasherI just think your time will be better spent getting checkwps fixed, rather than breaking the theme site
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17:58:21MG_ManGeeze, finally
17:58:34kkurbjunWrasher: offhand I don't have my login information for the themes admin - can I remove the mr500 from the dash?
17:58:36MG_ManThis method is really hacky, but its hard to explain without sending the entire skin
17:58:55kkurbjunWright now it is misleading to let people think they can upload a theme that will never pass checkwps
17:59:39kkurbjunWthe onda should also probably be removed
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18:00:17paulk_Hello, I've modified my local "calendar.c" to translate it in french. When the month is "Aug", "Aoû" in french, the 9 of the "2009" is not displayed. How can I change the width of the box containing this word ?
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18:05:23kkurbjunWhmm, it looks like I can't remove a target from the dash....
18:05:31linuxstbpaulk_: Did you use utf-8 in the source file?
18:05:37paulk_yes
18:06:17kkurbjunWrasher: is there an easy way to remove targets from the themes site?
18:06:52rasherI don't see why it should be removed. There's an issue with rockbox code, not with the theme site or the mrobe
18:08:19linuxstbpaulk_: It looks like the snprintf line in calendar.c - it's limiting the buffer to 9 bytes. With a double-byte utf-8 character, the string needs 10 bytes. (Aoû 2009 including the trailing \0)
18:08:28kkurbjunWI agree that there is a problem, but holding the site as is doesn't address any of it in the near term - providing an upload link that doesn't work is sloppy in my opinion - at the very least it should be removed in my opinion till the issue is resolved
18:08:58paulk_linuxstb: rb->snprintf(buffer,9,"%s %04d",monthname[shown->mon-1],shown->year);
18:09:00paulk_?
18:09:29linuxstbpaulk_: Yes. Best to change that 9 to "sizeof(buffer)" and increase the size of buffer earlier in that function.
18:10:10kkurbjunWright now the theme site doesn't work at all for the mrobe or the onda so why mislead people in thinking that they can upload themes till it works
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18:10:43kkurbjunWyes it's a problem with other portions of the code, but that reflects on the (currently)dysfunctional theme site as well
18:11:27kkurbjunWif it is easy to remove the targets I think it makes sense for now
18:11:38paulk_linuxstb: Ok, well I'm not a C programer, so, how sould I increase the size of the buffer ?
18:11:39kkurbjunWif it's oto much work then I suppose forget about it
18:12:09linuxstbpaulk_: Just change the definition from "char buffer[9];" to "char buffer[10];" (line 355 in my copy of calander.c)
18:12:21paulk_ok :)
18:12:35linuxstbpaulk_: See, C is easy ;)
18:12:35paulk_so i don't use sizeof(buffer)
18:12:59linuxstbpaulk_: Yes, still use sizeof(buffer) in the call to snprintf. Otherwise you'll need to write 10 in two places.
18:13:09paulk_ok
18:13:24paulk_that's easier to write "10" only one time
18:13:33paulk_well, thank you
18:13:33linuxstbSo line 355 should be "char buffer[10];" and line 401 "snprintf(buffer,sizeof(buffer),...."
18:13:58linuxstbNo months have more than one accented character?
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18:14:19paulk_no
18:15:03rasherkkurbjunW: I don't remember. I'll have a look some time
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18:18:13kkurbjunWrasher: thanks
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18:20:56MG_ManAlright. Screenshot time
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18:23:29MG_ManOk, here it is in action
18:23:30MG_Manhttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2674/notwinampwithart.png
18:23:42MG_ManAnd on a song with no art:
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18:23:43MG_Manhttp://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6509/notwinampwithoutart.png
18:23:48MG_ManNow I need to do the progress bar
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18:24:17MG_ManAnd this time, none of the skin itself has been taken from Winamp
18:24:23MG_Manall re-created, and I have a PSD to prove it
18:25:47LambdaCalculus37DCW webcam live feed at http://www.ustream.tv/broadcaster/1281365
18:26:01MG_ManHmm, definitely not a spambot
18:27:33funmanMG_Man: DCW is DevConWest, a conference of rockbox hackers, at the West of Europe (America)
18:27:41MG_Man...ah.
18:28:01HillshumLambdaCalculus37: I need to login?
18:28:22LambdaCalculus37Sorry, wrong link. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/rockbox-devconwest-2009
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18:36:24MG_Manright, now I need to make the volume bar smoother, then do all the other indicators, then figure out how I'm gonna do the progress bar
18:37:35MG_ManI also have another problem
18:37:47MG_ManWhen the battery reaches full capacity, the indicator goes blank
18:37:57MG_ManBut all the bmp data is there
18:38:03MG_ManIt shows full in the remote too
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18:52:24*mcuelenaere got checkwps back compiling
18:52:32JdGordonsweet :)
18:52:35JdGordoni was going to do it :)
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18:52:50mcuelenaerebut it doesn't work yet ;)
18:53:22mcuelenaereJdGordon|: I think some functions in skin_display.c should be moved out it, as they aren't really related to 'displaying' and checkwps can't compile without them (I don't compile skin_display.c)
18:53:44mcuelenaerealso, I need viewport_parse_viewport() but can't compile viewport.c (cleanly)
18:53:58mcuelenaereso I just stubbed it, but that way I don't get very far at parsing
18:53:59JdGordonarg
18:54:43mcuelenaerehttp://pastebin.com/f403a8fc8
18:54:49mcuelenaere== current diff
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18:56:53MG_ManDo you think I should remove Stop from the big buttons on the bottom?
18:57:02MG_ManSince Stop never currently ever shows in WPS I believe
18:59:51MG_Manhttp://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2674/notwinampwithart.png
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19:00:18MG_ManThen again the CustomWPS page said there will be functionality for it so I guess it'll stay
19:00:23MG_ManPlus I have nothing better to put there
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19:45:49vitaliyLambdaCalculus37: what's up? ;)
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19:53:25scorche|shvitaliy: oh, hai =)
19:54:04MG_ManWho manages the CustomWPS page?
19:54:11MG_ManThe specification for %mm is out of order
19:54:32MG_ManIt's supposed to be <Off|One|All|Shuffle|A-B>
19:54:41MG_ManBut One and All are backwards on the page
19:54:47vitaliysomeone link me to that ustream setup
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19:55:13gevaertsyou want to listen in? :)
19:55:29vitaliyI am nosey, want to know whats happening without walking over :p
19:55:52vitaliytoo busy watching Mr Bean and all
19:56:21gevaertsyou might want to join #rockbox-community where we talk about not strictly on-topiuc stuff
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19:57:39MG_ManWait
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19:57:46MG_ManNow I just don't know what's what for %mm
19:57:51MG_ManIt's horribly confused
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19:58:55MG_ManOh, nevermind
19:58:57MG_ManMy bad
19:59:09MG_ManI had left a | at the beginning of it
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20:04:27eulerphihi
20:04:44eulerphii have a sansa c250
20:05:08eulerphiwhenever i play mp4/aac files, it's really slow
20:05:20*mcuelenaere has checkwps compiling and working! :)
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20:05:46eulerphilike it freezes every second
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20:06:27eulerphiis my sansa just not capable of playing aac's?
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20:09:48eulerphihow do i find the version #?
20:10:38Hillshumeulerphi: System >> Rockbox Info
20:10:55eulerphii mean in the directory
20:11:25pixelmaeulerphi: the few AAC I have play ok on my c250 (all about 128 kbps), although the processor is quite busy especially during buffering. Do you also use sound effects like the equalizer or crossfade etc.?
20:12:03Hillshumeulerphi: On the device on in the source code?
20:12:53eulerphion the device
20:12:59eulerphinope, no effects
20:13:17eulerphiand my aac's are only 64kbps
20:14:11amiconnMaybe they are he-aac? That needs more cpu to decode
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20:14:26*pixelma thinks to remember different encoding types of AAC where one is more complex...
20:14:47Hillshumeulerphi: /.rockbox/rockbox-info.txt I think
20:15:24CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22451): Fix/hack checkwps + add Onda VX747/VX777 targets
20:15:50eulerphiah, thanks
20:15:52eulerphir16734-080321
20:16:35pixelmathat is age old - over a year... you should update
20:16:43eulerphikk :)
20:19:39eulerphithe new rockbox util will replace the old one automatically?
20:20:26Hillshumif you tell it to
20:20:36eulerphii didn't see an option :/
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20:22:23eulerphithis is nice :)
20:22:26HillshumJust do the install
20:25:24eulerphiugh, there's still latency
20:27:18eulerphianyway, is it able to charge while it's booted into rockbox?
20:27:54eulerphibefore i had to switch to original firmware to charge
20:30:11Hillshumeulerphi: what model?
20:30:21eulerphior to access the drive
20:30:26eulerphic250?
20:30:30pixelmait charges in the USB screen - if you want to keep listening to music and not transfer files, you can hold a button while inserting the cable... should be in the manual
20:30:43eulerphiok cool
20:31:13pixelmaI mean which button that is
20:31:15saratogaeulerphi: what type of AAC
20:31:27saratogaAAC-LC works fine, AAC-HE does not because your Sansa is too slow
20:31:53eulerphisaratoga: how do i find it? mplayer?
20:32:10eulerphiQuicktime/MOV file format detected.
20:33:52kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: nice work :)
20:34:14mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: thanks, I'm working on tools/configure integration now
20:34:18eulerphiISO: File Type Major Brand: ISO/IEC 14496-1 (MPEG-4 system) v2
20:34:21mcuelenaereto make sure this doesn't need fixing again
20:34:47kkurbjunWyeah, that would be nice
20:35:52pixelmaeulerphi: since I can't find it in the manual - if you want to keep listening you have to hold the select button when plugging the cable. But the manual is still a nice collection of info... ;)
20:36:54eulerphiyou mean menu button?
20:37:17eulerphiahh.. it froze when i did that
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20:38:02pixelmaoh, now I found it - it is in the "charging" section. No, select is the center button and
20:38:19eulerphiah, gotcha
20:38:36eulerphi:))
20:38:51eulerphiso it will continue to charge, eh?
20:40:00kkurbjunWIs checkWPS supposed to work with rwps's too?
20:40:14kkurbjunWI would guess yes since it's the same syntax
20:41:30kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: I have a rwps that is failing with the %Vl tag..
20:41:39kkurbjunWin checkwps that is
20:41:48mcuelenaereI'm not sure about remote wps'es
20:41:49eulerphidoes flac require more cpu usage?
20:42:41amiconnNo, flac is one of our fastest codecs
20:42:52eulerphicool
20:44:42mcuelenaerehmm where are the rwps's in SVN?
20:45:00saratogawith the other wpses i think
20:46:11mcuelenaerefind ~/rockbox/wps -name '*.rwps' yields nothing
20:46:27amiconnThe 'r' is added during packaging
20:46:45eulerphiyeah, i was right.. i can't mount while it's charging
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20:48:01HillshumWhat's the fastest codec? wav?
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20:48:37kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: this is the rwps I have that is failing: http://pastebin.ca/1538008
20:49:10amiconnHillshum: I'd guess either wav or aiff, depending on target architecture
20:49:30amiconnOn arm it'd be wav and on coldfire it'd be aiff
20:49:39amiconn(because of matching endianness)
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20:51:14bluebrothermcuelenaere: wouldn't it be better to move the chinachip strings for Rockbox Utility out of the c file and to the bootloader installation class?
20:51:45mcuelenaerebluebrother: how?
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20:52:11mcuelenaeresplitting the chinachip_patch() up into smaller functions?
20:52:18mcuelenaeres/the//
20:52:37bluebrotheryes, and returning errors using return codes.
20:53:08bluebrotherit feels somewhat strange to me to have QObject::tr() in C functions. But maybe it's just a feeling ...
20:54:03mcuelenaereyes I know it's a bit hack'ish
20:54:14mcuelenaerebut it seemed better than no translation at all
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20:54:46bluebrotheryep, that's true.
20:54:52*mcuelenaere doesn't really feel like rewriting chinachip_patch()..
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20:56:42pixelmakkurbjunW: does checkWPS know about the M:Robe remote?
20:58:38kkurbjunWpixelma: I'm not sure, but I think the only reason checkwps is built target specific is to make sure that all tags that would be supported are compiled into it so I think that an rwps run against the main mrobe500 build would be an appropriate way to do it
20:59:39pixelmahuh? But the main M:Robe500 will have different viewport declarations (with colours)
20:59:56kkurbjunWhmm, good point
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21:00:13pixelmaI'm not sure how that works at all though
21:00:37kkurbjunWdid the theme site ever check rwps'?
21:01:39pixelmaI thought it does for the Irivers and so (as there are some themes that include RWPSs) but I'm guessing
21:03:27eulerphidoes rockbox not recognize the *.flac extension?
21:03:52eulerphimaybe i need to refresh the db
21:03:58MG_ManDosbox knows flacs
21:04:02MG_Manroxkbox*
21:04:05MG_Manjdpisahfd
21:04:08MG_ManYou know what I mean
21:05:06eulerphiah nvm
21:05:16AlexPMG_Man: yes
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21:05:56mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: it seems to error out on l.376 in checkwps.c
21:06:03mcuelenaere(viewport_parse_viewport)
21:06:56mcuelenaerehmm which is weird, as the lcd remote's depth is 1, not >= 2..
21:07:46kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: pixelma has a point about the viewports. I forgot that the mono screens have a different syntax for viewports
21:08:17mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: does it work on-target?
21:08:21eulerphiah.. i wasn't unmounting
21:08:29kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: yes, it works in the sim too
21:08:38mcuelenaerethen it should work in checkwps too
21:09:16mcuelenaeresomehow it's using SCREEN_MAIN even though I tell it to use SCREEN_REMOTE..
21:12:06CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22452): Fix checkwps for remote screens
21:14:47kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: great, works fine now, but only targets with remotes build
21:15:00mcuelenaereoops
21:16:10CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22453): Fix building checkwps on targets without a remote
21:20:02kkurbjunW:-D, it all works now
21:21:47kkurbjunWmcuelenaere: would it be possible to make it so that checkwps is not necessarily built for each target? I was thinking that if you have say three fake targets it might cover checkwps - a mono target with remote, a greyscale target with remote, and a color target with remote - each with touchscreen enabled
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21:21:56kkurbjunWI'm not sure if that would cover everything though
21:22:22mcuelenaereno, there are also targets with and without RTC
21:22:30mcuelenaereand probably other stuff too
21:22:55kkurbjunWthe thinking that I had for that is that people could still make say an ipodvideo wps that includes the touchscreen tags and would pass
21:23:04mcuelenaereit's probably possible, but preferably something for Mr Someone ;)
21:23:09kkurbjunW:)
21:23:26mcuelenaerethey'd still have to resize the WPS' background for the target
21:23:34mcuelenaereie Onda uses 240x400 and M:Robe500 640x480
21:23:38kkurbjunWwell, the m:robe can run at 320x240 also
21:23:53kkurbjunWit's not currently, but originally I was using ipod video themes on it
21:24:01mcuelenaerethe Cowon D2 is 320x240, isn't it?
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21:24:53mcuelenaererasher: checkwps is rebuilt daily on the theme server, isn't it?
21:24:53kkurbjunWwiki says yes
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21:25:17kkurbjunW(to the D2 screen resolution)
21:26:13mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: some touchscreen tags pass now too for non-touchscreen targets IIRC
21:26:49kkurbjunWhmm, checkwps is segfaulting on the main screen wps now..
21:27:12kkurbjunWand the rwps
21:27:29MG_ManWell
21:27:41MG_ManI don't see why anyone would have touchtags on a non-touch target anyway
21:28:45kkurbjunWMG_Man: the problem is that the D2 for example shares the same screen size as the Video - the theme site would show the ipod video themes with the D2, and depending on how they are uploaded would or would not pass checkwps
21:29:14MG_Manah.
21:29:33MG_ManFor now, perhaps Video themes can bet kept out of the D2 section until it's al lsorted
21:29:40kkurbjunWthe other thing that I see is that you could design a theme that is mainly targetted for the ipod video, but you want to make it /touch aware/ for other people using other players
21:31:40CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22454): Checkwps: give wps_screen an initial value
21:31:48mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: try again (the segfaulting)
21:31:57mcuelenaereit shouldn't segfault on rwps though
21:32:38mcuelenaereuh, stupid mistake
21:33:13kkurbjunWwps passes now, no segfaults, but the rwps doesn't
21:33:31CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22455): Don't add #ifdef's without looking them up...
21:33:46mcuelenaerekkurbjunW: try again ;)
21:34:06pixelmakkurbjunW: the WPS parser also checks for the correct dimensions of viewports it seems, or placement of the bitmaps so that nothing ends up outside the screen. I think you need on for all screen sizes/colour depth combinations. I think RTC tags are no problem and will be ignored on targets without RTC (except the check for presence one), but for things like backdrop tag and album art and viewports, screen depth is important
21:35:15pixelmafor example 160x128 WPSs exist in all colour depths - backdrop and album art won't work on the monochrome (M;Robe1000) target, viewport definitions are different
21:36:11kkurbjunWhmm, the ipod video checkwps fails with the touchscreen tags
21:36:46kkurbjunWpixelma: true..
21:37:49pixelmawhy does my client still get sim builds? With the addition of more faster ckients it won't get ready with those before another client it seems :\
21:38:13pixelmaI mean - why does it get them first, why not some "easier" ones?
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22:23:14BBBradleyis there a way to "force" a button press programatically? I want to press "menu" from a function call
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22:26:37rashermcuelenaere: I re-ran the checkwps build
22:26:56CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22456): Add CheckWPS entry to tools/configure
22:27:00rashermcuelenaere: private/checkwps/current/update.sh if you need it
22:27:05rashermcuelenaere: Nice!
22:27:14mcuelenaererasher: I forgot the SSH login..
22:28:29CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22457): Forgot a file
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22:35:29bluebrothernice having checkwps in the main buildsystem, now it needs to be a make target of a (n)ormal build ... ;-)
22:41:52amiconnkkurbjunW: There are also various combinations of pixel depths, not a single pixel depth per target
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22:43:00amiconnGreyscale target with mono remote (H1x0), colour target with mono remote (H300), greyscale target with greyscale remote (M5), colour target with greyscale remote (X5)
22:43:38amiconnAfaik there are no targets with monochrome main lcd and a remote lcd of any kind, and also no colour remotes so far
22:45:33pixelmaif the M:Robe100 can use the same remote as the 500 there will be a mono-mono combination
22:46:44amiconnAh, forgot the mr100
22:49:10amiconnBut no colour remote, probably for technical reasons. It would need too much data for a simple serial link, and going parallel or very high speed serial would make the cable too expensive
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23:14:10MG_ManOk
23:14:16MG_ManI'm all done with it except the progress bar
23:15:00MG_ManAny suggestions other than finishing the progress bar?
23:15:01MG_Manhttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9020/notwinampwithart2.png
23:15:06MG_ManThis is taken from the sim btw
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23:16:14MG_ManThe whole ? and 0 for kbps/kHz is just a side effect of the SPC format
23:16:21MG_ManOne that I can't get around with conditionals
23:16:22MG_ManOh well
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23:23:22iwonderhow do you add a song to a playlist?
23:23:27iwondereg one that is playing
23:23:51iwonderi have the playlist open, but some have errors due to being in other folders on pc but not ipod
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23:33:01iwonderthere is no fucking option
23:33:10iwonderto add the goddamn song playing
23:33:14iwonderlong select
23:33:21iwonderyou have to use the Playlist catalog
23:33:29iwonderwhich of course doesn't say it has to be in a particular folder..
23:33:47iwonderand if it does, all my songs in my playlists will be error due to this folder difference
23:33:49AlexPYou can add a song to any playlist
23:34:01iwonderthen fucking tell me
23:34:05iwondergod damn you assholes
23:34:08iwonderfuck it
23:34:13AlexPplease stop now
23:34:17iwonderor be banned
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23:34:27AlexPyou can add to any playlist that is playing
23:34:29AlexPtoo late
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23:35:09iwonderso.
23:35:11iwonderi wasn't banned.
23:35:13iwonderyet.
23:35:15iwonderbut probably will.
23:35:17iwonderso tell me how.
23:35:17CIA-61New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r22458): * Onda VX777: add support for its single physical button ...
23:35:19iwonder:O)
23:35:42bluebrotheriwonder: RTFM ...
23:36:03iwonderi did
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23:36:06iwonderyou fucking asshole
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23:36:19MG_Manwell hello to you too?
23:36:21iwonder:O)~
23:36:23iwonderahem
23:36:27iwonder~<:3
23:36:28iwonderflower
23:36:34iwonderbeauty-full in all its grace
23:36:49iwonderblooming
23:36:50MG_ManRight
23:36:53iwonderahem
23:36:59iwonderso what the fuck is this channel for?
23:37:07MG_ManI dont really know
23:37:07iwonderto ask questions and get quick answers?
23:37:11kkurbjunpatience
23:37:13BdN3504can the h100 display album art?
23:37:13MG_ManIts probably at the top of the page
23:37:15iwonderor to say read the fucking manual?
23:37:22MG_ManBoth
23:37:25MG_ManDepends on the question
23:37:26iwonderyou don't know
23:37:27pixelmaBdN3504: yes
23:37:30iwonderyou say you can
23:37:32iwonderbut you cannot
23:37:34BdN3504ty
23:37:37MG_Mancannot what
23:37:40iwonderyou have to use the Playlist Catalog
23:37:49BdN3504can i assume all grayscale models can read album art?
23:37:51iwonderi could code something better in my sleep
23:37:56iwondererr, design
23:37:58iwonder:)
23:38:06pixelmaiwonder: insulting won't get you any further
23:38:10pixelmaBdN3504: yes
23:38:11AlexPiwonder: Stop it now - if you want help be civil and stop insulting peope
23:38:19iwonderalex, you claimed you knew
23:38:19linuxstbiwonder: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-610004.4
23:38:23iwonderso just give me simple
23:38:31AlexPask nicely
23:38:31MG_Maniwonder: Okay then, if you do believe so, go ahead and design better firmware for all of these DAPs
23:38:33bluebrotheriwonder: you really expect people answering your questions if you call them assholes?
23:38:38iwonderhehe
23:38:44iwonderMG_Man, it's not a belief
23:38:45iwonderit's a knowing
23:38:49AlexPI don't find it funny
23:38:52 Quit moos ("Rockbox rules the DAP world")
23:38:57iwonderand i'm not
23:39:01iwondersarcasm :O)~<
23:39:11MG_ManSo what is your question anyway
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23:39:40eulerphiok, what should i do.. my original mp4 files are only around 2mb @ 64kbps.. when i convert them to flac it's like ~20mb
23:39:55MG_Maneulerphi: Thats basically what flacs are
23:40:00MG_ManMaxiumum audio quality
23:40:05linuxstbeulerphi: That's to be expected. What did you expect?
23:40:05BdN3504pixelma: thanks again. i am nearly finished writing viewports for the manual. i added six small files to make \opt work with examples. i hope that wpn't be something keeping it back from being comitted?
23:40:11MG_ManMP4s are pretty good too, better qulity than MP3 and less size
23:40:29eulerphii don't get why it takes so long for the mp4's to buffer
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23:40:59eulerphiit stops every second
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23:41:02pixelmaBdN3504: hmm? Why do you need extra files (especially such a number)?
23:41:59eulerphianyone want a sample mp4?
23:42:03eulerphito see what i mean
23:42:06iwonderthere is NO "insert" in the Playlist submenu
23:42:10iwonderof the Context submenu
23:42:17AlexPYou have a playlist active?
23:42:25Hillshumeulerphi: Upconverting to FLAC is like taking a box of a dozen eggs and putting them all in a box for 2 dozen. Still the same amount of quality, but takes up more space
23:42:28AlexPAnd you long select on the song you want to add?
23:42:39BdN3504pixelma: just as i told you. using \opt in {example} gives me only weird shit and i don't want to spend another minute on it, because i tried every fucking possibilty and working with external files is only sultion that works
23:42:43BdN3504like a charm
23:42:50eulerphii would rather just be able to play the mp4's
23:42:55 Quit Zagor ("Clint excited")
23:43:00AlexPCould we all stop swearing so much?
23:43:08eulerphiwho is swearing?
23:43:19AlexPiwonder and BdN3504 recently
23:43:58iwonderalex, some of us are closer to death than others
23:44:01iwonderi'll leave it at that
23:44:04iwonderfor you to find out
23:44:04AlexPIrrelevent
23:44:08iwonderno, it is not
23:44:12BdN3504sorry, this was only to express my frustration which is at enormous high levels right now, because i spent about three hours on a stupid syntax thingy
23:44:12AlexPStay on topic and stay civil
23:44:30bluebrothereulerphi: are you running a recent build? IIRC there was some bug a while ago.
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23:44:52pixelmaBdN3504: I can't imagine that it's such an amount of text you would heve to stuff it into extra files - just \opt{lcd_color}{\example{}}, \opt{lcd_whatever}{\example{}} in the same file
23:46:20AlexPpixelma: How is the M3 manual? :)
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23:46:53iwonderi've wasted enough time on stupid shit
23:46:57iwonderthat should be trivial
23:47:01iwondermy life fading away
23:47:04eulerphibluebrother: 3.3
23:47:05iwonderat every fucking moment
23:47:12scorche|shlast warning
23:47:15iwonderlast warning
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23:47:42bluebrothereulerphi: I'm not sure if the issue I was talking about is present in 3.3, but I'd suggest updating to the most recent build and trying again
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23:48:55eulerphii'm just using the latest rbutil to update
23:49:01eulerphii did it just today actually
23:49:34bluebrotherand still experiencing the problem? Then it has to be something different.
23:50:03eulerphihere's a sample mp4 i'm trying to play.. http://filebin.ca/mzbtvd
23:50:55saratogathats an AAC-HE file
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23:51:08saratogaas I said hours ago you can't play those on such a slow CPU as you have
23:51:12BdN3504pixelma: i tried it that way, it doesn't even compile.
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23:51:20eulerphioh
23:51:26eulerphii didn't know how to tell
23:51:45MG_ManYour best bet would be to get a somewhat newer player
23:51:49*fml sees the symbol HAS_BUTTON_HOLD and asks himself whether HAVE_... should be used instead
23:51:54jboy!search friends
23:51:56MG_ManEven an ipod 4g BW would do I believe
23:52:01saratogawhy are you using AAC-HE anyway
23:52:03jboyxD :P
23:52:18pixelmaBdN3504: can't imagine that it didn't compile because of this system
23:52:28MG_Manwell anyway
23:52:42pixelmaMG_Man: the processor of an 4G Ipod is not much different to the one in the c200
23:52:46pixelmaif at all
23:52:53BdN3504actually, does it do any harm if i add six files? i mean there already is a very small file in the section i am writing in and it's for the player, so it has been there for a long time and no one has complained.
23:52:58MG_ManPerhaps a Photo or Video or something equivalent
23:53:15MG_ManAnyway, I'm thinking of getting an iriver h320 or h340
23:53:23MG_ManI'm pretty sure it's processor is strong enough
23:53:33MG_ManThe only problem is that h340s are hard to come by, even on ebay
23:53:42AlexPMG_Man: All the ipods are the same (after first and second gen)
23:53:54MG_ManI'd probably be better off getting an h320 and then upgrading the HDD to 40GB
23:54:30MG_ManEven the 5G isn't good enough to do those?
23:54:33MG_ManHmm
23:54:37AlexPSame processor
23:54:41MG_ManiPods are pretty shoddy then, aren't they
23:55:00MG_ManYou'd think they'd up more than display and space
23:55:10AlexPThey didn't need to
23:55:11pixelmaand more work spent on updating the screen
23:55:13saratogaMG_Man: if you don't know what processor the ipod use why would you give advice about the processors they use
23:55:34AlexPThe video has a specialised video chip we don't know how to use for the video decoding
23:55:40MG_ManI was just pretty sure it was tougher due to increased display quality, but I suppose that's completely different
23:56:11saratogayes it is completely different
23:56:18MG_ManSo how does an h320/340 measure up?
23:56:22saratogathe size of a screen in inches and the performance of a processor are not the same thing
23:56:43AlexPMG_Man: Please don't give advice about things you aren't sure about - we don't want someone buying a pointless player because of wrong information
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