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#rockbox log for 2009-09-08

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00:05:17JdGordonprobably a heretical suggestion... but what do people think about releasing the build from before the ui viewport and skin changes as 3.4?
00:06:37gevaertswhy?
00:07:39JdGordonbecause the whole release fixture annoys me so I thought that suggestion would bypass the whole thing :)
00:08:02JdGordonalso because visually that was more stable than what the later builds have been
00:08:59gevaertsas far as I'm concerned, if we have serious bugs, we can postpone the release until they're fixed
00:09:08JdGordonI dont tihnk we do
00:09:29JdGordonthere are minor visual annoyances which might not be fixed in time
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00:11:55gevaertsI don't like the idea of picking a branch point a posteriori. I'd prefer to postpone the release by a few weeks
00:12:32JdGordondidnt we decide we'd never do that again unless it was a really major problem?
00:12:51JdGordonwas it 3.0 which was frozen for 3 motnhs or something rediculous?
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00:13:13gevaertsyes, but 3.0 waan't :)
00:13:56JdGordonanyway, ok, just floating an idea... I don't tihnk we are in such a bad state that postponing will be needed
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00:25:50kugelJdGordon: did you spot the visual annoyance on the pic?
00:25:59kugelthe one I pasted a few hours ago
00:26:02JdGordonyeah
00:26:39gevaertsoh, is that the new word? "Please post a new entry on the visual annoyance tracker" :)
00:27:29Hillshumkugel: Did you commit the 4th quickscreen patch?
00:27:37kugelyes
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01:17:32notlisteningHi, was just wondering what run time any e200v2 users are getting on average? and which patches you have?
01:18:30Strife89notlistening: Are you listening? ;) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime
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01:19:35Strife89Wait, never mind. Forgot that doesn't list the v2s yet. :/
01:19:41TheSevenbad news for the nano2 pmu... the data i read doesn't make any sense at all compared to the pcf50606 datasheet
01:21:38notlisteningno worries Strife89
01:22:10notlisteningthanks I am just looking for ball park values anyways
01:24:42TheSevenhttp://pastie.org/609039 in case anyone wants to have a look whether he recognizes that thing
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01:34:38mcuelenaerepamaury, pcc1: when trying your MTP patch on my MIPS target, I get an Address Error (similar to Data Abort on ARM) at 0xDEADBEEF; which means a thread stack overflow IIRC
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01:43:32SansyHello, I wonder if rockbox will be implemented on the Sansa Clip (aka Sansa m300)?
01:43:33robin0800JdGordon: This Is what breaks %?C<%t10%Vda|%t5%Vdu>;%?C<%t10%Vdb> it does not display the first two viewports on start up
01:43:55JdGordonsince when is the clip the m300?
01:44:08SansyIs it not?
01:44:16SansySorry, my mistake!
01:44:29JdGordonthe clip (v1 only) does run rockbox
01:44:35JdGordonit has some playback glitches thouhg
01:44:45kugelJdGordon: the firmware is named m300XY.bin
01:45:06JdGordonrobin0800: and all that worked previously? wierd.... I thought you couldnt put sublines in conditionals
01:45:13kugelit's probably the inofficial successor, with a similar feature-set
01:45:21mcuelenaerepamaury, pcc1: increasing the dircache stack doesn't seem to help
01:46:12*JdGordon is very confused
01:46:24robin0800JdGordon: It used to work
01:47:37JdGordonim heading out in a few min so cant investigate now...
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01:48:30robin0800JdGordon: I'm off to bed see catch up with you later
01:48:59CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22658): Higher the button delay on the fuze a bit more, the wrong hold button reads aren't happening anymore apparently even for plugins with heavy lcd ...
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01:50:02pixelmaI think so too about the %t inside conditionals (at least I think it was said to be impossible since the tokeniser or so)
01:50:35kugelJdGordon: I have a slight problem with my statusbar theme. When the non-conditional vp which has the %?lh<> in it is cleared, the same area is cleared in the main viewport also (it appears to be in the %Vi area)
01:51:01kugelthe %?lh-vp is decleared directly after the %Vi viewport
01:51:36JdGordonpixelma: there is an example like that on CustomWPS so I guess i need to fix it :/
01:51:55kugelit appears it clears the very same area in the %Vi viewport, as if the %?lh viewport was relative to the %Vi one. I'm not sure if the %?lh-vp itself is cleared also
01:52:11*JdGordon has no idea
01:52:21kugelI'm refering to the azure ultimate ultra theme
01:53:13kugelI'm not sure if my changes are causing it, I basically only added %Vi to the parser, and a bit of handling in skin_display, so that conditionals within viewports with VP_NEVER_VISIBLE label are evaluated
01:53:50JdGordonsorry, not at all helpful right now... tomorow
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01:54:46kugelalright. in case you wanna repro it. apply my patch, build a e200 sim and run that theme. if the disk status icon on the top left changes, parts of the ui viewport are getting cleared
01:55:15kugelremoving the ui vp, and using the %Vi vp, makes it a bit more obvious
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02:09:58Blue_DudeHey, been poking around in pcmbuf.c and playback.c. I was wondering how the status bar "knows" exactly what's being played at the moment? I figure if the status bar "knows", then there might be a way to let the other display information know so that the WPS screen stays in sync.
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02:27:08webguest07Has anyone ever considered a seperate display-off timer for when the Text Viewer plugin is running?
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02:29:13Hillshumwebguest07: I've wanted one for sudoku and lamp, as well as wanting lamp to max the brightness
02:29:42HillshumI don't think the plugin API allows for settings to be manipulated
02:30:56saratogai think you can just set a timer in the plugin itself and then cut the light as needed
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02:32:00Hillshumsaratoga: I think he means making the light stay on longer
02:32:28moosThere is a patch actually for this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10581?project=1&type=4&order=dateopened&sort=desc
02:33:20saratogaHillshum: yes thats what I mean as well
02:33:30HillshumOkay.
02:35:13webguest07moos: nice. thanks.
02:35:54mooswebguest07: np, you can thanks the author ;)
02:38:06webguest07wow - did you see when that plugin was first posted? I've been thinking of wanting this feature for months, and this is the first time I thought to ask. Interesting. We are not alone.
02:40:04TheSevenwow, rockbox only sucks 50mA of current on the nano2 with backlight powered up
02:40:18TheSeventhat would mean a theoretical 8h runtime with backlight on!
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02:43:26mooswebguest07: that is for a lot of features we have...
02:43:43moostoo late apparently
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03:09:34saratogaTheSeven: can the Nano record current or are you using a DMM?
03:09:48TheSevennano
03:10:21TheSevenif i supply current via usb, it draws exactly 100mA and the PMU says 30 of them go into the battery
03:10:45TheSevenone obviously needs to enable fast charging somehow, as it's usually only done after usb enumeration
03:10:46saratogawow quite an impressive piece of hardware
03:11:22TheSevensaratoga: the charge controller just needs to know this anyway to charge the battery properly, why not expose it through i2c then?
03:11:30saratogalots of devices we use have charging circuits that are fully analog actually
03:11:51TheSevenresolution is 1mA (current) and 4mV (battery voltage)
03:11:53saratogaso no I2C or any feed back at all beyond "charged" or "not charged"
03:12:26saratogaon the plus side it makes drivers for the battery charger easy!
03:12:44TheSevenwell, this one is not much harder
03:13:08TheSevenit will charge with the 100mA always, and if you write some special i2c value to it it will go to 500mA
03:13:56TheSeventhey have a fully integrated power manger chip on in the nano, which contains a battery charger, a DAC with at least 3 inputs, some switching regulators, some linear regulators, and the backlight pwm
03:14:37TheSeventhis thing can even fade the backlight autonomously
03:21:15saratogawill make runtime estimation really easy on the Nano
03:22:28TheSevenit would be even better if we had a datasheet for that thing
03:29:53TheSevenit is drawing 100mA from USB and 23mA from the battery in iBugger btw (all clock gates open) - more than a factor of 2 (and the case gets noticably warm)
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03:34:24TheSevenok, i found a way to shut the processor power off :-)
03:34:40TheSeventhe backlight went off, too, but the LCD itself stayed on
03:41:25TheSevenin fact the LCD went to a low-power mode, with a lower refresh rate
03:41:46TheSevenlooks pretty much like the apple "empty battery" behavior if i write 0x01 to 0x0c on that thing
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06:55:26pcc1does usb_drv_send send a zero-length packet if you send a block with length divisible by wMaxPacketSize?
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07:30:19pcc1answer: no (apparently)
07:32:24saratogashame you seem to be on when all the europeans are asleep
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09:16:36peturregarding http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21959.msg151910#msg151910 - did the buttonmap change? REC has always started a recording in the past. People on Taperssection start to complain about this too now :/
09:16:51*petur doesn't have his h300 with him...
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10:40:36robin0800JdGordon: It would seem there is no way to have automatic changing screens, you have to use an alternate line I think, which used to work, partially works now but might be illegal and shouldn't work at all
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12:24:52funmanJdGordon: the clip is the m300, as shown on the OF filename and printed on the board
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13:31:38PaulJamkugel: your latest custom SB patch works great. sublines and scrolling works for me now. do you have any plans about the statusbar in the recording screen? currently it just shows the custom statusbar, but that lacks the recording-specific information.
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13:39:07kugelPaulJam: I'm eventually planning on just forcing the classic statusbar
13:40:02kugeleither that, or the skin engine gets recording specific tags and a conditional tag depending on the screen you are
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13:43:29PaulJamkugel: are recording specific tags actually neccessary? couln't you use the %St tag for that?
13:43:54kugelhm, yea that could work
13:48:39kugelPaulJam: but playmode needs more values (or a recording mode tag) for whether recording is running or paused
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15:07:11Akuma^Hello
15:07:23Akuma^Does RockBox support iPod G5?
15:10:39LambdaCalculus37Yes.
15:10:41robin0800from front page
15:10:43robin0800Apple: 1st through 5.5th generation iPod, iPod Mini and 1st generation iPod Nano
15:10:44robin0800(not the Shuffle, 2nd/3rd/4th gen Nano, Classic or Touch)
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15:11:06Akuma^I canät find iPod G5 on the list of the builds.
15:11:33Akuma^http://build.rockbox.org/
15:12:01LambdaCalculus37It's the iPod video.
15:12:17LambdaCalculus37Pick the build that matches your drive capacity.
15:12:24Akuma^Wait, what?
15:12:29Akuma^Oh.
15:12:36Akuma^Ipod G5 = iPod VIdeo?
15:12:47LambdaCalculus37That's correct.
15:12:53robin0800Akuma^: and memory
15:13:14Akuma^Argh.
15:13:16*Akuma^ is stupid
15:13:16LambdaCalculus37robin0800: That's already handled by picking the drive capacity.
15:13:17Akuma^Well.
15:13:19Akuma^I just got this iPod
15:13:21Akuma^So I had no idea.
15:13:27Akuma^SAys "30 GB" on the back-plate of mine.
15:14:01Akuma^Why do they call it the iPod Video and not the iPod G5? :P
15:14:06Akuma^Like Wikipedia does!
15:14:49Tornebecause Apple call it the iPod Video
15:15:04Akuma^Ah.
15:15:10LambdaCalculus37And it's not worth arguing about, either.
15:15:12Akuma^Silly Steve Jobs.
15:15:17Akuma^I guess.
15:15:20Akuma^Well.
15:15:23Akuma^Thanks for the help.
15:15:28Akuma^I'll try the firmware out.
15:15:33Akuma^I really do not wish to install iTunes.
15:15:42LambdaCalculus37Here, use Rockbox Utility to install: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility
15:15:49LambdaCalculus37Makes the install process much easier.
15:16:09LambdaCalculus37And have a read through our fine manual: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html
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15:55:21bughunter2Hey, perhaps an interesting question, although not Rockbox-related, when copying files to my (non-rockboxed) players (Creative Zen V Plus and Sansa e260), the tags (artist/album/etc.) aren't recognized by the player. This happens when I copy it from Windows XP x64
15:55:47bughunter2but when I use my laptop, which has the 'normal' XP (32-bit edition) installed, the players can recognize the copied songs
15:55:54bughunter2(both players use MTP btw)
15:56:39bughunter2the songs can be played on the players too, just the tags aren't recognized
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15:57:21CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22659): Samsung YH925: Reset the LCD orientation to what the OF expects before branching to it in dualbooting ...
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16:07:37kugelgevaerts: ping
16:07:49kugelwtf: "#if CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 || CONFIG_CPU == PP5024 || CONFIG_CPU == PP5024"
16:08:34mt:D
16:08:35*kugel suspects there are a few PP bootloade which do *not* have the "Version 6.0" version string due to the above
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16:10:56*kugel proposes re-releasing those
16:11:24robin0800kugel: I've commented in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22644.0 I think its a bug?
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16:12:23kugelrobin0800: possibly. See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10595 I'm not sure if we have the same bug though
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16:15:54robin0800kugel: Thanks I'll set up a build environment and try that patch c200 maximumart is my problem theme
16:18:07CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22660): Backport r22659 to the PP&AMS bootloader branch.
16:19:20CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22661): Fix Version string for PP5022/PP5020. The bootloader for c200, mrobe100 and all h10 should be re-released since they don't actually have the 6.0 ...
16:20:28*kugel pings Zagor & Bagder
16:20:41Zagoryes?
16:21:05kugelthe targets mentioned should get new bootloaders on the download servers. additionally, I'd like to have the YH925 bootloader too
16:21:17kugelmentioned in the above commit message
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16:21:39Zagorwe need a better way to handle the download server
16:22:30robin0800kugel: looking at r22618 it certainly alters several things that are broken think I'll set up build r22617 first
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16:57:23gevaertskugel: can you find out which targets could be involved, so we can check if there is actually a real problem?
16:58:06*gevaerts does not want to go through the bootloader testing again if it's not needed
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17:03:00ackers07is there rockbox for cowon s9?
17:03:42rasherackers07: Only if it's listed on the front page.
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17:15:25kugelgevaerts: see commit message
17:16:14gevaertskugel: I'm pretty sure the c200 bootloader says v6.0
17:16:39kugelgevaerts: the last commit was yours, so nothing changed inbetween
17:18:16kugelexcept the samsung lcd change, but that's all #ifdef'd
17:18:34kugelI'd say they don't need to be tested again
17:19:11kugelconfig-c200.h: #define CONFIG_CPU PP5022, it would be weird if that matched the #if
17:20:55gevaertskugel: I don't remember the details, but it's not impossible that I did manual -Ds in the makefile for the release
17:21:27kugellol
17:23:49*kugel is against manual editing the Makefiles, since it makes reproducing the release from source very hard
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17:24:25gevaertskugel: that may be so, but it doesn't change anything after the fact
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17:48:17*JdGordon1 thinks it would be bloody awesome if kugel would post patches against svn.....
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17:52:16JdGordon1ah FUCK! sorry kugel... too many damn checkouts here
17:53:36JdGordon1that patch is ineed correct... commit it when you have a chance... my net is fucked atm
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17:58:40pamauryhello there, if you see pcc1 online, could you tell him to have a look at the modifications I've done about the MTP code on github (you are also very welcome to have a look at it also) ?
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18:11:49robin0800what svn was 3.3? because that works with maximumart theme and if I know I can try and find what has broken it r 22617 doesn't work for me
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18:14:38JdGordon1you dont need to go anywhere near that far back
18:15:05JdGordon1and I know exactly which commit broek it
18:16:39robin0800JdGordon1: which one ?
18:16:58*kugel whistles git :)
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18:34:57CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22662): Fix/commit FS #10595. A (sub)line could be part of the previous viewport due to a off-by-one bug in the indexing.
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18:37:24JdGordonkugel: was that line accidently deleted in one of my commits?
18:37:39kugelthat line wasn't there before
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18:37:55JdGordonok, good spotting then
18:38:14kugelhm, no, it seems it was there but 1000 lines after
18:38:27kugelit didn't have the -1 there too
18:40:41kugelbut num_tokens++ is done once more now
18:43:03JdGordonnot anywhere near there though
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18:44:55robin0800kugel: thats not fixed my problem
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18:45:12CIA-43New commit by 03alle (r22663): New plugin: pitch detector (FS #8768) by Michael Lechner and David Johnston
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18:54:55newbiesholla all!!
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18:55:33sub7eveni need help over here
18:55:45sub7evenanybody around?
18:56:12Lloreansub7even: Generally you're expected to just ask the question. People come in and out, and even if there are people around, there's no way to know who can help until you've asked the question
18:57:07sub7evenLlorean: thx for reply :)
18:58:16sub7evenanyway, my question is, i've installed the RB + bootloader on my 30gb, but it seems doesn't boot to the loader, it just go directly to RB
18:59:08AlexP30 gb?
18:59:13AlexPS30?
18:59:15sub7evenwell, i do manually using ipod patcher
18:59:17AlexPipod video?
18:59:24sub7evenyeah ipod video
18:59:33AlexPIt should go directly to Rockbox
18:59:38AlexPThe bootloader shows briefly
18:59:43AlexPWhat were you expecting?
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19:00:08sub7eveni wanted it to go to bootloader that i should select which i wanted to use
19:00:19AlexPThe Rockbox bootloader doesn't do that
19:00:40sub7evenowh i see.. i tot i does..
19:00:45AlexPIf you want to boot the OF, you hold a certain key when it is booting
19:00:46sub7evenit*
19:00:54AlexPSee the manual for details
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19:01:51sub7eveni've search already but no luck..
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19:02:12sub7eventho i restart/ reboot, it do the same thing
19:02:21AlexPReally? - http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-290003.1.3
19:03:10sub7evenaight AlexP, thx for helping, i'll read thru 1st and see what i have missin out...
19:03:15sub7eventhx alot AlexP
19:03:26AlexPNo problem, and please use real words
19:03:49AlexPThe manual is very helpful, make sure you have a good look :)
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19:13:39CIA-43New commit by 03bryan (r22664): Added myself to docs/COMMITTERS
19:13:45gevaerts\☺/
19:14:21PaulJamkugel (if you read the logs): your latest commit broke the custom SB patch (the player just freezes when trying to load an sbs file).
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19:16:00GodEateryay
19:16:44moosGodEater: welcome to you (even if I thought you was already here)
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19:23:46TheSevenFYI: We seem to have found a way to execute code on the iPod Nano 4G, even though it's not working 100% reliable yet. Stay tuned...
19:24:00AlexPGood work!
19:26:18JdGordon|cool!
19:26:20JdGordon|well done
19:26:27*stripwax__ gives a big thumbs up!
19:26:41BagderTheSeven: nice work!
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19:27:20GodEatermoos: tyvm
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19:28:05TheSevenIn fact, Farthen's Nanotron found the working address after some hours of bruteforcing
19:28:18stripwax__GodEater - I thought you already were also, but/so welcome again :)
19:28:47GodEaterstripwax__: hehe :)
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19:31:53GodEaterapparently a lot of people thought that too
19:32:14*JdGordon| is one of them too
19:32:16GodEaterI had that problem with my expert badge - Llorean thought I'd had one for ages, and it turned out he'd mistaken my Coder badge for one
19:36:14AlexPWhich is soon going to be deleted :)
19:36:21AlexPThe coder one that is
19:36:41JdGordon|yeah, that coder one always felt a bit silly to me
19:39:45*GodEater sheds a tear
19:39:57GodEaterI felt special
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19:40:55JdGordon|:)
19:41:18*Utchybann is away: time to eat
19:41:22*JdGordon| finds "developer signifies those people that supposedly know enough to be let loose on the code, and therefore should a) be worth listening to" rather funny
19:41:29GodEaterI shall have to rely on my correctional footwear and medicated hair gel to feel special from now on.
19:41:40GodEaterJdGordon|: there are always exceptions :D
19:41:43AlexPJdGordon|: I did add supposedly :)
19:43:11JdGordon|this should maybe go in that thread, but why on eather do we need to put people in 2 groups?
19:43:22JdGordon|surey only the "higher" one needs to be displayed?
19:43:47AlexPWho are we putting in two groups?
19:43:51JdGordon|i.e forum mod + expert
19:43:59AlexPOh right
19:44:13AlexPDoes it really matter?
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19:44:25JdGordon|especially silly when the title is "gloabal moderator" also
19:44:35JdGordon|no it doesnt matter... just always annoyed me :p
19:45:01AlexPI suppose because in that case it signifies that this person not only is not only worth listening to about the rules but also Rockbox?
19:45:36JdGordon|firstly, I doubt that anyone actually looks at the text under the logo
19:45:54JdGordon|but also, I would think anyone who is a mod would also be trustworthy for help also
19:46:15AlexPIf people don't look then it doesn't matter
19:46:25AlexPIf they do look then I don't see how it can hurt
19:46:50AlexPAnyway, that wasn't really the point of that discussion :)
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19:51:43JdGordon|AlexP: wat was the point then?
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19:52:36AlexPJdGordon|: Did you read the thread?
19:52:53AlexPIt was about new badges because of the rapidly expanding number of targets
19:53:15JdGordon|the topic changed half way down
19:53:22JdGordon|but yes, just reread the OP...
19:53:25AlexPNo it didn't
19:54:06JdGordon|you're right.... GodEater's edit on the 2nd post is where it started drifintg
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19:55:11*GodEater hadn't noticed it had drifted
19:56:08AlexPIt did briefly but it came back
19:56:18n1sTheSeven: great work!
19:56:34JdGordon|ok, I'll shutup
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20:11:34BuschelTheSeven: wow, nano 4G ;o)
20:12:08*Buschel thinks about buying a nice nano 4G to replace his 5.5G
20:12:28*Buschel also thinks his wife might kill him then...
20:13:15n1sthe 4g anao is pretty nice, very slim
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20:15:37Buscheln1s: indeed
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20:28:04rasherIs the SVN server being a bit flakey
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20:33:44fmlHow can I revert a file to a certain revision? I committed a file I didn't intent to.
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20:34:52bluebrothersvn merge with the older revision is the way to go afaik
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20:44:07TruthTacoMy brother is looking to buy a cheap mp3 player with micro SD slot, and 2 gigs storage. Dosen't necessarily need to be able to run rockbox
20:44:53rasherI'd say you should try in #rockbox-community
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20:45:49bertrikTruthTaco, maybe a fuze, if it's a v1 you can run an early rockbox port, if it's a v2 it's still quite a nice player
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21:32:40dottedmagCould anyone share usbbot1.4b-toools.zip for ingenic jz4740? their ftp is down and I've seen the plans for support players with this cpu in rockbox.
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21:37:22bertrikbughunter2, I have a patch, it compiles but no guarantees at all it works
21:37:35bughunter2well it won't hurt the player :)
21:37:35bertrik(and it compiles only for e200v2, not for fuze)
21:39:01bughunter2could you send me the compiled version?
21:39:09bughunter2I don't have a Rockbox dev env. (yet)
21:41:35bughunter2Rockbox atm. uses the OF from sansa to connect to the PC, will this always stay that way? (Just curiousity)
21:41:41bertrikbughunter2, you should :), the source patch is at http://pastebin.ca/1558777, I'll see if I can post the binary some place
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21:42:08bertrikbughunter2, maybe you could fix that ... :)
21:42:17bughunter2I would like to
21:42:25bughunter2oh and
21:42:26bertrikwe are pretty sure about the USB device controller
21:42:35bughunter2in MSC mode, Windows assigns two drive letters to the device
21:42:39bughunter2I'm just curious why it does that
21:42:57ej0rgebughunter2: AMS based sansas rely on the OF - portalplayer sansas have native usb now
21:43:00bertrikone is the normal music data, the other is a recovery volume IIRC
21:43:11bughunter2ah
21:43:21bughunter2just a communication channel, one could say
21:43:25bughunter2not for data
21:43:43bertrikof the ams sansas only the e200v2 has this recovery thing in a working state as far as we know
21:43:50bughunter2yeah, I read that
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21:45:02ej0rgeif someone wants fuze boards to experiment with, wrt recovery, I can supply parts.
21:45:20bughunter2wrt?
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21:46:20bughunter2ej0rge: anyway, I'd be interested in helping
21:46:36ej0rgeif someone wants to try and figure out recovery tools for the fuze, and is thus worried about bricking their own fuze, i have several fuze and fuze v2 boards that have a very low value due to needing LCDs - which are in much shorter supply than boards
21:47:36bughunter2how does RB dual boot the OF btw?
21:47:45bughunter2it stores the OF in a hidden partition or suchlike?
21:47:57bertrikno, it's much more clever than that :P
21:48:21bughunter2want to give away the secret? ;)
21:48:43bertrikthere's a mini bootloader that checks a magic button to decompress either the OF or the rockbox bootloader
21:48:50gevaertsit works a bit like a virus
21:48:54bughunter2oh yeah, I read about that
21:49:16bughunter2every time the OF boots, I get files in the root I don't want, though
21:50:01bughunter2oops
21:50:03bughunter2we got a panic here
21:50:14domonokydont panic ! :-)
21:50:15bughunter2flush_fat_sector() - Could not write sector 34 (error -10)
21:50:18bertrikwe can't help that AFAIK, although the files do have a particular combination of attributes to make other OSs ignore them
21:50:32bughunter2bertrik: yeah, but if we don't need the OF, then it could be fixed :)
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21:57:23domonokybughunter2: then get your hands dirty and write a USB driver for the AMS Sansas...
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21:58:37bughunter2domonoky: I might just do that
21:59:01bertrikbughunter2, I think the wiki has pointers to a linux driver you could look at
21:59:15bughunter2cool
21:59:18bertrikdo you have the as3525 datasheet already?
21:59:33bughunter2no but afaik it's (linked to?) on the wiki?
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22:00:35bertrikyes I think so, it doesn't really have much on the USB device part, but it's a good thing to have when developing for the ams sansas
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22:00:47bughunter2yes
22:01:14bughunter2would be an awesome way to donate :)
22:02:18bertrikbughunter2, this is the binary with the patch http://filebin.ca/tbmmjc/rockbox.sansa copy it to your .rockbox directory and reboot to test
22:02:44bughunter2thanks
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22:04:07bughunter2here goes
22:04:24bertrikit probably won't work ...
22:04:33bughunter2so far so good
22:05:02bertrikbuttons still work, scrollwheel? hold button?
22:05:11bughunter2buttons work, scrollwheel works
22:05:25bughunter2hold button doesn't
22:05:56bughunter2I can't turn the player off either
22:05:57bughunter2lol
22:06:31bughunter2not even the LCD lits when I press the power button
22:06:50bughunter2other than that, it seems to work
22:07:21bertrikcan you go to menu system/debug/view io ports and if/how DBOP_DIN changes when pressing hold or power?
22:07:32bughunter2sure
22:08:31bughunter20x1000 is ORed when I switch the hold lock to ON
22:09:06bughunter2pressing the power button appears to not have any effect
22:10:28bughunter2bertrik: ^
22:10:33bughunter2:)
22:13:09bertrikah, I spotted a bug in my patch that may explain why the hold button is not working
22:13:18bughunter2good
22:13:29bughunter2btw, where does RB store the compressed OF btw?
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22:14:48bertrikduring the mkamsboot patch, it compresses both the OF and the rockbox bootloader and places it in flash, where the OF was originally
22:15:06bughunter2In explorer, it says '159 MB' used. If I check manually how large all the files are (on disk), only 27 MB is used :P
22:15:18bughunter2oh that way :)
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22:18:06bertrikthe ams OF is not a file on the file system, it's just a bunch of reserved flash blocks AFAIK
22:18:24bughunter2yeah, it is
22:18:55bertrikI think the power button may be special on the fuze and the e200v2, could be high-active instead of low-active like the other buttons
22:19:05bughunter2aye
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22:24:55bertrikbughunter2, can you try this one? http://filebin.ca/jqzouf/rockbox.sansa
22:25:02bughunter2sure, sec
22:25:28bertrikthis should fix the home button and does an inverted readout of the power button
22:27:44bughunter2home button?
22:28:04bertrikhold button I mean
22:28:08bughunter2ah
22:28:37bughunter2lol,
22:28:43bughunter2almost there,
22:28:52bughunter2but when the hold button is unlocked, it thinks it's locked
22:28:52bughunter2:)
22:29:01bughunter2power button works
22:29:20bughunter2the boot loader knows the hold button though
22:29:55bughunter2oh btw, a suggestion: if the hold button is switched, the LCD powers off, but the backlight for the wheel doesn't
22:30:00bertrikooh nice, this is basically my proof of concept for a hopefully simpler way of button readout on the e200 and fuze
22:30:06bughunter2(I think it would make sense to turn off the backlight as well)
22:30:15bughunter2cool
22:30:24bertrikI think that's something higher up in the code
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22:30:46bughunter2DBOP_DIN changes when I press the power button
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22:31:00bughunter2ORs 0x100 when pressed :)
22:31:20bertrikwhat's the idle value of DBOP_DIN with no buttons pressed?
22:31:28bertrik0xF0FF?
22:31:32fmlHow can I write the following in terms of tex \opt or \nopt: #if (CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC) && defined(HAVE_RECORDING) && (defined(HAVE_LINE_IN) || defined(HAVE_MIC_IN))
22:31:35bughunter2depends on the wheel, but it usually ends in 0x007F
22:31:48fmlOr approximately that?
22:34:18n1sfml: you can nest opt
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22:36:15n1sdon't kow if we have any features for the rec inputs so maybe you need to ad them
22:36:20fmln1s: the question is what symbol should I check for? swcodec is ok, but HAVE_MIC_IN doesn't seem to work.
22:36:53n1scheck features.txt to see what opt symbols we create, you can add any you need
22:37:22fmln1s: aren't all HAVE_xxx symbols automatically exposed to tex?
22:37:29bertrikbughunter2, can you try this one? http://filebin.ca/ujwvjx/rockbox.sansa
22:37:37bughunter2right on it
22:38:04fmln1s: how can I add a feature in 'features'?
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22:38:07n1sfml: <n1s> check features.txt to see what opt symbols we create, you can add any you need
22:38:12bertrikyou really should get the dev environment up, it's not that hard actually, we have a script to do most of it
22:38:27bughunter2I know :)
22:38:30bughunter2I had it before
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22:38:56n1sfml: just check features.txt it's pretty obvious
22:40:40bughunter2bertrik: if I press the play/pause button (the button north of the wheel), should it go to the now playing screen?
22:40:49bughunter2in the OF it was used for navigation
22:41:05JdGordon|yes
22:41:05bertrikyes, I think so
22:41:07bughunter2and the playlist button (south of the wheel) brings up the menu
22:41:08JdGordon|we dont care about the OF mapping
22:41:23bughunter2JdGordon|: I assumed so, neither do I care though :)
22:41:26bughunter2RBs defaults seem sensible
22:41:55bughunter2bertrik: congratulations then, all the buttons seem to function correctly :)
22:42:02JdGordon|we try to go for more consistancy between targets which is even more rediculous!
22:42:16bughunter2it isn't
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22:43:32bertrikone final experiment then, can you go to menu system/debug/CPUfrequency, the press or scroll up to make it say boost_counter: 1, then try all buttons again and have another look in the view io port debug menu and see if you still get a stable reading for DBOP_DIN
22:43:43bughunter2k
22:44:16bertrikthe boost_counter being higher than 0 makes the CPU run at "boosted" speed, 248 MHz instead of 62 MHz in case of the ams sansa
22:44:55bughunter2yes
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22:45:10bughunter2all the values change correctly I think
22:45:14bughunter2and the buttons work fine too
22:45:59fmlI wrote some words about the pitch detector: http://pastebin.ca/1558868 (this is just a start) May I commit that? So that we have at least something.
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22:51:06bertrikbughunter2, great, thanks for testing, this saves about 110 lines of source code in the button readout code :)
22:51:16bughunter2neato :)
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22:52:18bughunter2I'm trying the virtual RB dev env. in VirtualBox
22:52:49bertrikit may need a bit more day-to-day testing before it can replace the existing code, testing on the fuze too, and discussion with the other ams developers
22:53:08bughunter2good idea
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22:55:54CIA-43New commit by 03alle (r22667): Manual section for the pitch detector (this is just the beginning)
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22:56:48bughunter2bertrik: do you have an idea why explorer measures ~25 MB in use when selecting all files, and 159 MB if I go to the properties of the disk?
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22:57:31gevaertsbughunter2: hidden files?
22:57:35bughunter2I have none
22:57:42bughunter2and I have enabled hidden files etc. in explorer
22:57:43bertrikno, maybe there's FAT corruption
22:58:12bughunter2I could format the thing, then put back rockbox' files
22:58:34rasherSounds like a classic case of unupdated fsinfo struct
22:58:40bughunter2yeah
22:58:45rasherThere's a way to fix this from within Rockbox.. I forget where
22:59:16gevaertspress select in the info screen?
22:59:26rasherThat sounds familiar
22:59:32bughunter2which button on the e200 is mapped to select?
22:59:36TheSevenshouldn't windows chkdisk be able to fix that in the first place?
22:59:48rasherbughunter2: The big center one
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22:59:52bughunter2ah
22:59:57rasherTheSeven: that's more work than doing it in Rockbox!
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23:00:06bughunter2and less fun
23:00:37rasherIt should say "Scanning disk..." at you
23:00:54bughunter2I have to wait a while for that, just copying some files to the thing :)
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23:06:08Jaykayis there anything in progress regarding the supported vs. unsupported builds thread?
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23:15:48bughunter2rasher: ok, how exactly to make RB scan the disk?
23:16:20bughunter2in the RB Info screen it says "1.48GB/3.79GB", however in explorer it says 2.30GB in the device properties, and 2.17GB when I manually select all files
23:17:11Jaykayi guess thats a"no"?
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23:20:01BBBradleyHow difficult is it to add a function that's missing from a lib, like say "localtime" in time.h?
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23:21:57Bagdertime.h is not a lib, it's a header...
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23:22:39gevaertsadding a function as such is easy. Implementing the particular function you want can be tricky of course
23:23:16rasherbughunter2: Press select while on the Rockbox Info screen
23:23:23bughunter2I did
23:23:35BBBradleyWell I noticed that the function localtime is missing from the header file time.h, and also that rockbox doesn't implemnt enough functions in the standard c lib
23:23:38Jaykaysaratoga: ping
23:23:39rasherbughunter2: and did it not go "Scanning disk..." for a while?
23:23:50bughunter2rasher: it did
23:23:54bughunter2but it still said 1.48GB
23:24:37bughunter2would that really fix/scan the FAT, btw?
23:24:55bughunter2oh wait, 1.48GB == free space
23:24:58bughunter2~_~ :P
23:25:31rasherSo everything's good?
23:25:34bughunter2nope
23:25:39bughunter2it still says 2.30GB in explorer
23:25:45rasherAfter remounting?
23:25:49bughunter2yep
23:25:52bughunter23.79-1.48=2.31
23:25:56rasherMaybe try rebooting Rockbox, maybe some odd caching is going on
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23:26:02bughunter2already did
23:26:08bughunter2now scanning the disk with chkdsk
23:26:20bughunter2"found no problems"
23:26:21gevaertsso what's the problem? Those numbers seem to match to me...
23:26:42bughunter2when I select all files and go to properties, it says "2.17 GB"
23:27:01bughunter2seems to miss at least 2.30-2.17=0.13 GB
23:27:30Jaykaymaybe it's not full
23:27:31gevaertsare you sure they mean the same thing? Is the 2.30 counting bytes or clusters?
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23:28:04rasherWhat does the number of byte readout say?
23:28:22bughunter22479349760 bytes used
23:29:04bughunter2and when manually selecting all files: 2339107693 (or the on disk size : 2340352000 )
23:29:31gevaerts2339107693 is 2.17GB
23:29:37bughunter2that's what I said
23:29:39bughunter22.17
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23:30:01*gevaerts apparently is already asleep
23:30:11*rasher shrugs
23:30:21rasherMaybe Windows just sucks.
23:30:40Hillshumnews flash
23:31:01bughunter2it does?
23:31:16bughunter2:P
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23:31:32BBBradleygevaerts: hey can you post a link on how to do this (add a non-implemented c lib function)?
23:31:58gevaertsBBBradley: a link? You just add it...
23:32:03domonoky1BBBradley: just add your new code to the file in question ?
23:32:38BBBradleyI mean how to add a missing function from a standard c header file. Someone apparently missed it when building Rockbox.
23:32:54Bagderhehe, BBBradley we only ever add functions we need
23:32:58BBBradleyI don't want to write the code myself, someone did it 300 years ago.
23:33:04Bagdernobody needed it
23:33:09bughunter2okay that's it, I'm formatting it
23:33:12BBBradleyBadger, you missed one. I need it now.
23:33:22Bagderwell, we add functions we miss
23:33:32domonoky1BBBradley: its not like we missed it. we did not need it, so we didnt port it..
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23:34:03BBBradleydomonokyl: well how do I get it ported exactly?
23:34:15BBBradleyI'm needy today...
23:34:46domonoky1you take code out of a suitable standard c lib, modify it to yours and rockbox needs and add it... there is no magic shortway.
23:35:09BBBradleysounds painful but I guess there's no choice.
23:35:19BBBradleythanks for letting me vent
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23:44:23bughunter2rasher: formatting the device seemed to work
23:44:32bughunter2so probably even chkdsk was wrong :/
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23:47:30BdN3504why can i not use \reference and have to use \ref instead in tebles?
23:47:34BdN3504tables
23:48:59bughunter2hey, I just cleaned the Rockbox VMware image of all the vmware stuff (reset XF86Config4 back to normal as well),
23:49:17bughunter2would you want to host the virtualizer-neutral image as well?
23:49:29bughunter2I'm also making a VirtualBox version, maybe you also want to host that?
23:53:39BdN3504you rework the vmware image? the old one or the new one?
23:54:01bughunter2the latest one, afaik
23:55:05BdN3504so the one rasher posted on the forums?
23:55:22bughunter2not sure if it is the same one, I downloaded it from the wiki I think
23:56:13BdN3504check http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=21010.0 to see if some of the changes you were going to commit have already been taken care of.
23:56:24bughunter2I am not a committer
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23:56:54BdN3504well, the changes you were going to commit to your image
23:56:57bughunter2what I wanted was just to strip the VMware things off the image, and make both a 'neutral' image, and a 'virtualbox edition' image :)
23:57:14bughunter2I got it from here, anyway, http://mikachu.rockbox.org/Debian-4.7z
23:58:56BdN3504that's the old one. read the thread.

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