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#rockbox log for 2009-09-15

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00:03:00saratogaarchivator: i pointed you out one, and it was in WMA
00:03:34saratogaFWIW the AAC one was a little bit faster but more complicated
00:04:07archivatorsaratoga: thanks, this time it's staying in the logs! :)
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02:46:49cardamonHi.
02:47:25cardamonAww dang...nevermind. I answered my own question.
02:47:44cardamon...I really hate this iPod.
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03:49:11CathodeRayTubewell fuck i got mIRC to work...
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04:21:17kaashifhi, got a quick question: when i click autodetect, my ipod 5g 60gb is detected as 30g, which to choose ?
04:22:08kaashifdoh nvm
04:22:23kaashifKnown Issues on download page: # Ipod Video 64MiB (60 GB / 80 GB models) will get detected as Video 32MiB (30 GB) (which is safe).
04:22:36kaashifok so now, which do i select, 30 or 60
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05:23:00unfairhey, are anti-aliased fonts available for rockbox?
05:25:04safetydanunfair: there's a patch in flyspray but I don't know what state it's in
05:26:24unfairok thanks, ill check it out
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11:16:59fish_anyone knows if the power management unit of the new cowon D2+ devices will work with in the current trunk? (in a very unstable fashing, i know ;))
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12:41:33AsaelReiterdomonoky: I'm sorry I "escaped" yesterday. These computers works only on specific hours.
12:43:29AsaelReiterdomonoky: However, the food/argh_collision functions check between an entire food/argh, and an one pixel, so when you steer a worm to a food/argh, it works fine.
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13:21:58AsaelReiterkugel: I'm here, for the next 30 minutes. I quited because that domonoky isn't here.
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13:27:51kugelAsaelReiter: are you sure your checks work?
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13:28:42AsaelReiterWell, I can't think about a problem with these checks, and they work on my SansaClip.
13:28:43kugelwhat if (foodx[i] >= x+food_size) fails, the other 3 checks aren't executed then, but it still might collide on the y-axis
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13:30:28kugelor am I being dumb here?
13:30:33AsaelReiteryou're right. I wonder I didn't notice that.
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13:30:54AsaelReiterno
13:31:13AsaelReiteryou're not right
13:31:53kugellooks like the checks aren't easy to understand :p
13:31:54AsaelReiterif there is only a y-collsion, the new food will be left or right from the old.
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13:40:02kugelalright, I see what it does. looks correct now. but I think those checks should be somehow factored
13:40:05kugel+out
13:43:27AsaelReitersorry about my bad english, but what "factored out" mean?
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13:45:49kugelput them in a separate function or macro
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13:48:19AsaelReiterI think that a function will be to complex for this. it will be something like "bool collision(int x1,int y1,int x2,int y2,int size1.int size2)"
13:49:47kugelI think a macro is more suitable yes
13:49:59AsaelReiteryes
13:50:09kugelsomethjing like #define CHECK_SQUARE_COLLISION(x1,y1,w1,h1, x2,y2,w2,h2)
13:50:39AsaelReiterw1=h1, w2=h2, so it's a bit more simple
13:51:08kugelwell yea of course, since it's a *square* :)
13:51:32AsaelReiterOK, this computer is going to shut down, (maybe I have 2 minutes), so goodbye
13:51:54kugelwould be nice if you can do this, I'd commit it then
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15:25:46pamaurypcc1: ping
15:31:01pamaurygevaerts: are you there ?
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15:34:46gevaertspamaury: I'm here, but I'm pretty busy at work...
15:35:59pamauryAh, that's a question about the usb thread: would it be problematic to increase its stack size ?
15:36:45pamaury(because pcc1 run into a problem wih MTP code and I found out that it was a stack overflow)
15:39:55gevaertstechnically the stack size can be increased. Make sure it's really needed though, and not just because of some inefficient coding, unbounded recursion and/or unneeded local variables
15:39:56kugelpamaury: I think it's ok if it's inevitable. but you can also try to optimize stack usage
15:40:42pamauryWell perhaps the real solution is to use another thread but the main usage thta causes overflow is due to dircache and mkdir
15:40:54kugeldon't you get a stkov panic message?
15:40:59pamauryyes
15:41:37pamauryI tried to used a bigger stack and it worked
15:41:40pamaury*use
15:42:30kugeldo you call it recursively? perhaps you can un-stack some arrays or something
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15:43:31gevaertsi'd say use a bigger stack for now, but remember that this needs to be looked into
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15:44:09pamauryThere are no array on stack, much parameters are stored on static structures. Of course, it could be possible to save some bytes, the code is not optimized but I want to give figures:
15:45:44pamauryjust by plugging my usb cable, stack usage can be at high as 75%. Then in our implementation of SendObject, I'm pretty sure thanks to some debug code that the stack overflow occurs just before calling mkdir
15:46:48pamauryThen I nearly doubled stack size (DEFAULT_SIZE+0x800 -> DEFAULT_SIZE + 2*0x800) and after a call to mkdir, stack usage is 86%
15:47:30pamauryWhich means that even with an optimized MTP code, usb code + mkdir will explode the stack I believe
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15:49:29*kugel points to what gevaerts said :)
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15:52:16kugelpamaury: and how is it possible that if I add a folder through usb it will show after disconnecting?
15:52:24kugelI'm using dircache, that is
15:53:32pamauryI don't know but on my dap it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps I'm wrong but I got strange results after some ums/dircache interaction
15:56:23pamauryIs the creation of a dedicated MTP thread a viable option ?
15:56:51kugelwhat would that solve?
15:57:57pamauryThat's for stack size problem
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16:08:30aidyum
16:09:03aidythe wiki says there's a 'volume' and 'progressbar' touch screen action
16:09:11aidybut it doesn't seem to be implemented
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16:25:44aidy16:09 < aidy> the wiki says there's a 'volume' and 'progressbar' touch screen action
16:25:51aidybut there is not
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16:37:11saratogaBagder, B4gder: I wanted to ask you about the sim
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16:40:18B4gdersaratoga: shoot, but I might reply later on
16:40:37saratogathe sim is much more stable witha tiny audio buffer then actual players
16:40:42saratogaalthough both are unstable
16:40:47saratogaany idea what the difference might be?
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16:41:19saratogaplayback and buffering are almost free of ifdef SIM lines
16:43:41B4gderright, they should be pretty much the same... I can't really think of anything obvious that explains that diff
16:44:33aidyanyone familiar with touch screen code
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17:13:05maraz_how's rockbox working on the Clip?
17:13:14maraz_stable/not so stable?
17:18:43kugelthe latter
17:19:41*JdGordon would say somewhere between :p
17:24:24Omlethello pourriez vous aller ici c'est un nouveau jeux: http://www.clodogame.fr/change_please/8715913/
17:24:57maraz_spambots ftl
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17:47:27Grahackhi, I'm adding pcmbuf_beep() to the plugin API, it seems I should add it to plugin.h after "new stuff at the end, sort into place next time the API gets incompatible". Correct ?
17:47:46JdGordon_yes
17:47:58JdGordon_at the very end of the struct
17:49:30Grahackthanks
17:55:56Grahackstrange, pcmbuf_beep doesn't beep when the music is paused...
17:57:03n1sthat's a limitation of our playback system
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18:02:27Grahackmy goal was to beep from the Lua plugin, should I write two patches, one for adding pcmbuf_beep to the plugin API and one for exposing it to Lua or one is enough ?
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18:14:14cfpHello everyone
18:14:52cfpI was wondering whether it was an option to commit my codebuster patch (mastermind-like game).
18:15:02cfpI mean
18:15:08cfpafter the feature freeze
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18:17:36*ej0rge notices that it's easier to corrupt the screen in the file browser on the fuze with the status bar turned on in r22699
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18:18:02JdGordon_corrupt how?
18:18:32ej0rgeJdGordon_: path gets drawn over top of the status bar
18:18:38ej0rgeif i scroll through the list quickly
18:18:47mooscfp: Depending. Is it adapted for all targets? Did you add manual entries too?
18:19:00cfpmoos: I didn't add the manual entry
18:19:09mooscfp: did you folow rockbox style... :)
18:19:22cfpmoos: normally yes ;)
18:19:31mooscfp: you have then something to do until the branching then
18:19:41cfpFS #10497
18:19:48cfpmoos: ok :)
18:19:54cfpI'll see for the manual
18:20:07cfpI tested it on all color platforms
18:20:25mooscfp: I will look at it when I find time (don't promise you to commit it)
18:20:27ej0rgeJdGordon_: I don't recall what version i was running before i updated today. Probably a week to 10 days old.
18:21:00cfpmoos: of course :) But any help is greatly appreciated anyway
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18:21:39mooscfp: pitty to let's rott a plugin, if it is good enough to go in
18:21:58cfpWell I hope it is :)
18:22:27mooscfp: comment added
18:22:47cfpgreat :)
18:22:56cfpHave a nice week then
18:23:04kugelcfp: haven't you tested greyscale targets or do you know it doesn't run on them?
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18:23:16mooscfp: merci, to you too
18:23:31cfpkugel: Not tested it on black and white.
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18:23:55cfpBut I doubt colors can be seen in B&W :s
18:24:09kugelI think it's a) doable to port it to greyscale, and b) it should at least be tested if it compiles
18:24:18kugelcfp: sure but you can use symbols
18:24:28moosyeah indeed
18:24:41kugelbubbles even runs on monochrome
18:24:57kugelso does rockblox, colors isn't really an excuse :)
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18:25:17cfpkugel: Sure :) I must say I was a bit lazy when coding it.
18:25:28cfpI'll implement symbols then.
18:25:46cfpBut it might have to wait until november or so, when I'm on holidays
18:26:59mooscfp: we could have it for color targets first, and then after for monochrome ones
18:28:46kugelyes, although people tend to "forget" about those later
18:29:12cfpmoos: sure. Anyway I'll try to write the documentation part first
18:29:16mooswe could trust cfp if he say so, right cfp? :)
18:29:32mooscfp: nice
18:29:37cfpright moos :)
18:29:48cfpsee you all then
18:29:54cfpreally got to go :s
18:29:54moosbye
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18:32:19pixelmasaratoga: did anyone ever do those tests on HD players? I just think that the sim could also behave differently because of a different storage type (maybe theres an underlying bug in the drivers - or if it's something timing critical then sim and target just behave differently)
18:38:32ej0rgeJdGordon_: path gets drawn over top of the status bar if i scroll through the file browser rapidly (don't know if you saw that before pinging out)
18:38:54JdGordon_thats kugels bug :)
18:39:06ej0rgeah
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18:40:44JdGordon_thats a bit wierd though.... speed sholdnt matter
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18:43:18ej0rge*shrug* it was also easier to do it right after i booted. Now that i have music playing i've only been able to do it once.
18:43:56ej0rgemaybe I've misinterpreted what triggers it
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19:29:47pixelmaJdGordon_: by the way, with r22668 I still see the wrong coloured statusbar after returning from the colour choser screen (on my c200) until the first full redraw
19:30:13JdGordon_tell kugel about any statusbar related bugs for now :)
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19:30:47JdGordon_is this the same bug thats been there for years?
19:32:16pixelmanot years, it's been there since a statusbar rework a few months ago (would have to search a while to give a more precise answer)
19:32:42JdGordon_is there a FS bug for it?
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19:36:13pixelmahmm... thought there was but it seems there is none
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19:45:51pixelmaJdGordon_: while searching for that, I found an old feature request that can be closed now if I understand correctly (haven't tried myself yet though)... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2103
19:46:38pixelmaif you remember the revision that was implemented, someone could close it
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19:47:02JdGordon_dont bother with the rev number... but yeah close it
19:48:34moospixelma: r21655
19:48:51pixelmathanks
19:48:53moosnp
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20:02:42pixelmaaccessing the disk I could imagine (just a guess)
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21:48:16froggymanare there currently any known problems with chargin an iPod Video (5.5G), with charging through rockbox?
21:49:58froggymanI seem to be having problems charging my 5.5G through rockbox, while in rockbox if I leave it charge in a standard "iPod" charger overnight, the battery will become completely depleated, whereas in the iPods OF (usually diskmode) it will charge fine
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22:19:52saratogafroggyman: I don't think the Ipod 5G charges
22:20:54saratogashould probably put that in the wiki
22:20:54froggymanok, I know on the theme I am using (cullah fool) it has an icon just for charging, and the battery meter will change and 'move'
22:23:04*froggyman now has to wait for his iPod to get out of the "very low battery" screen
22:25:06ZagorI'll be temporarily shutting down the web site in 15 minutes. It is moving to a new host.
22:25:18JdGordon_nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22:25:41JdGordon_:)
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22:26:48aidyi need shotofadds :(
22:33:07HillshumZagor: to the SVN host?
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22:33:19ZagorHillshum: yes
22:34:28saratogathat reminds me i need to see about commiting the updated front page thing we agreed on last week
22:35:36HillshumHas the e200v2 manual been readied?
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22:36:30JdGordon_the e200v1 manual isnt good enough?
22:37:37domonokythere are a few differences. installation and feature which are not ready on e200v2 (recording for example).
22:38:02saratogaper the mailing list discussion it was decided that the new catagory of "unstable" targets don't need a manual until they become "stable"
22:38:18domonokyyes, no need for a manual for the new unstable targets.
22:39:24*Hillshum might figure out LaTex sometime and work on the manual
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23:05:12notlisteningHi I use RSS to monitor the flyspray and major updates on the project and they seems to be broken at the moment anyone else getting that?
23:06:04Zagor22:41<Zagor> I'm shutting down the web server now.
23:06:05froggymannotlistening: the server has been shut down temporarily, for it is going under some hardware upgrades (?)
23:06:19Bagderit moves
23:06:30Bagderfrom one server to another
23:06:52*froggyman thought he read that in the mailing list a couple days ago
23:07:35notlisteningcool i will not worry then, not been so great at reading the mailing list recently that will teach me a lesson
23:07:35Bagderthe new home has more cpu, more ram and more bandwidth
23:07:49Zagorand a faster disk
23:07:53Zagor:)
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23:08:41froggymanZagor: is there an estimated time as to when it will be back up?
23:08:54Zagorpretty soon. 15 minutes maybe.
23:09:01froggymanok :)
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23:09:27notlisteningJdGordon, i have heard that you have a ,ac that you lend out to mice people to test development software on is this true?
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23:12:35notlisteningthat is a shut down initiated by me not because of low battery
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23:16:56bertrikI've often wondered about that too
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23:29:43Hillshumbertrik, notlistening: When I shutdown my Clip by hand with a very low battery, I get the "Warning LOW battery" screen
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23:37:17ZagorThe web server is now back up.
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23:38:10ZagorI also migrated from Twiki to Foswiki while I was at it.
23:39:02HillshumAny big differences?
23:39:15Zagornot all of the template files are migrated yet, so some pages (such as diff) show the Foswiki theme
23:39:51ZagorHillshum: wysiwyg editor, working graph plugin, shorter URLs.
23:40:06Zagorprobably a zillion bug fixes :)
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23:44:48notlisteningIs the shutdown message a Sansa v1/v2 Issue? mines an e250v2
23:46:09Hillshum notlistening: I'm getting it on my Clip (similar to the e200v2). I'll try to get it on my v2 next time the battery is dead
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23:53:32notlisteningwho maintains the major changes RSS?
23:53:56notlisteningrasher.dk/rockbox/majorchanges.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/majorchanges.php
23:54:17AlexPnotlistening: How it works, or what appears on that page?
23:55:10AlexPnotlistening: rasher does the feed, the MajorChanges page is just a wiki page
23:55:14domonokyits rashers rss feed, but the content is just the MajorChanges wikipage
23:55:23JdGordon_rasher and the wiiki
23:55:44notlisteningoh okay and because the server work there might be an issue with the feed updating?
23:56:05AlexPIf the url changed maybe
23:56:14AlexPbest ask rasher :)
23:56:52JdGordon_or the wiki
23:58:06notlisteningthanks
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