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#rockbox log for 2009-09-16

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00:44:09n17ikhHey, I'm getting a 403 forbidden on http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html , http://www.rockbox.org/since-12months.html , and http://www.rockbox.org/since30.html
00:44:19n17ikhas linked on http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml
00:44:40Hillshumfroggyman: Is this screen from the OF or RB?
00:44:57Hillshumn17ikh: Those aren't for you :P
00:45:04n17ikh:/
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00:45:13n17ikhthey used to be.
00:45:13Zagorn17ikh: we've just moved the site. I'll fix them.
00:46:07froggymanHillshum: its the "patented 'Please wait Very low battery'" screen, which is hard coded (i think) into the iPod, in a similar way to diagnostics and diskmode
00:46:30HillshumHmm. What charger?
00:47:23froggymanThe USB port through my computer ( I know it is getting some form of power, as if I un plug it, it goes blank)
00:48:03HillshumHmm. Is it a port on the back, without a hub in the way?
00:48:35froggymanin the front, to hub, directly connected to the computer
00:48:41froggymans/to/no
00:48:50froggymanno hud
00:48:58Hillshumwhat about a hub?
00:49:04froggymannot that either
00:49:10HillshumBack ports seem to be better
00:49:17froggymanok
00:49:26*froggyman gives it a shot
00:50:09*stripwax couldn't see the original message from froggyman, what are we talking about exactly?
00:50:33froggymanits a please wait very low battery message
00:50:47scorche|shso plug it in and wait a while?
00:50:49stripwaxdoes it just need charging?
00:51:15froggymanscorche|sh: how long, its been ~3 hours?
00:51:30stripwaxthere's also that ipod rockbox low battery problem of course
00:51:32scorche|shfroggyman: typically 16-24 hours is recommended
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00:51:41stripwaxtried holding down menu+Select?
00:51:49froggymanohh, ok I'll let it sit over night
00:52:08Hillshum_Charging shouldn't take that long should it?
00:53:19scorche|shit depends
00:53:48*froggyman had it charging in rockbox all day, but then came home to find out the battery was dead
00:54:15*froggyman leaves
00:56:20saratogai think if you over discharge a lipoly battery they slowly recharge them in order to avoid damage, so thats probably the mode triggered on the ipod
00:56:35saratogaalso, new front page: http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/
00:56:41saratogalast chance to complain before I hit commit
00:57:17stripwaxsaratoga - ugh, what's that?
00:58:22saratogastripwax: seen the mailing list discussion?
00:59:19stripwaxfroggyman - it might be that you only thought it was charging, and it was actually still discharging, is that possible? e.g. backlight or disk usage while connected via usb to your pc?
00:59:58stripwaxsaratoga - I've got email problems at the moment, so no unfortunately
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01:00:11stripwaxbut a webpage that says #if 1 #define _LOGO_ ??
01:00:31saratogastripwax: thats how the source for the page looks when viewed without the other scripts
01:00:46saratogathe only thing actually changed is the text
01:00:51stripwaxoh, ok. sorry!
01:01:13saratogahere have a diff http://pastebin.com/m635557a1
01:01:14linuxstbsaratoga: Can't you post a diff then?
01:01:17*stripwax continues to delete ~240,000 spam mails from his account
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01:02:00saratogai find the diff confusing since I don't know html or whatever langange that page is in
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01:03:38Hillshum_stripwax: How much data does that amount to?
01:04:38stripwaxHillshum_ - the spam? no idea, too much
01:04:53linuxstbsaratoga: I would change the phrase "serious problems that limit it to advanced users" to something like "serious problems that limit its usefulness"
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01:06:41stripwaxsaratoga - so last mail I have on mailing list was the "3.4 Feature Freeze" from the 14th
01:07:22saratogalinuxstb: the idea about unstable ports is that they've nearly as useful as stable ports but have missing features such manual, installers, recording, etc
01:07:25Hillshum_stripwax: I was before that
01:07:30saratogaand may be buggy
01:07:45saratogai'm not sure I'd say they're less useful
01:07:45Hillshum_and may have uSD issues
01:07:50saratogayes that too
01:08:06saratogaalthough the e200v1 was supported for 2 years with at least as serious uSD issues
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01:10:28stripwaxHillshum - oh the "Supported vs. Unsupported Builds" discussion, right.
01:10:48saratogaperhaps "Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, missing features, or has serious problems that limit it to advanced users"
01:10:53linuxstbsaratoga: I just imagine that a lot of the bugs in "unstable" targets will be just as annoying to "advanced users" as other users.
01:11:10Zagorn17ikh: fixed
01:11:30Hillshummore advanced users might be better prepared for lots of reformats
01:11:43Zagorumm, except the 4weeks is a bit short...
01:11:46saratogaif you have to reformat its probably not going to be considered unstable
01:12:09*Hillshum hasn't done much with his e200v2 lately...
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01:13:18Zagorthat's better
01:13:40saratogalinuxstb: do you have another phrasing? i just don't want to imply that a target necessarily is less useful
01:14:11Hillshum"Provide slight annoyances"?
01:14:20saratogathe e200v2 for instance mainly suffers from a uSD compatibility issues and lack of recording (which is mostly useless anyway since there is no line in)
01:14:26saratogaand lack of USB I suppose
01:14:55saratogai don't think its less useful, although the install process is complicated enough that many users might have trouble with it
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01:21:07mc2739Zagor: is there a problem with the IRC logs? When I try to access the log for the 15th, it brings up the current log for the 16th
01:21:22saratogalinuxstb: "Rockbox runs on these players, but maybe be incomplete, less usable, or have serious problems that limit it to advanced users"
01:21:34saratogaseems to get to the gist of what you wanted to say
01:21:42Zagormc2739: checking
01:22:53n17ikhZagor: thanks
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01:26:12linuxstbsaratoga: I'm just reading the mailing list thread at the moment... Are you suggesting that "unstable" targets don't need to have released bootloader binaries?
01:27:39saratogalinuxstb: just one linked from the wiki
01:27:52saratogareleasing bootloaders officially has proven quite difficult for us lately
01:28:00linuxstbI thought we were against putting binaries in the wiki...
01:28:11saratogathey shouldn't be hosted there, no
01:28:15saratogasince thats quite dangerous
01:28:16linuxstbYes, I've noticed the pp-bootloaders are still in the wrong place...
01:28:32saratogaputting them in a forum thread seems easy enough though
01:28:45saratogaas was done for the AMS sansas
01:29:09Zagorif anyone can make me a tarball or zip with them in the right places, I can fix it in no time. But I don't know where they should be (and I don't want to have to move them around).
01:29:11saratogabasically the idea was to take the soft release we did for the AMS devices and formalize it into a standard launch procedure for in progress ports
01:29:31saratogaZagor: i think they just overwrite the existing ones on the website
01:29:40linuxstbZagor: It's not that easy - someone also needs to move the old files to a backup location...
01:29:44saratogaand the existing ones get moved to whereever (or even deleted)
01:30:27linuxstbsaratoga: But just go ahead with your commit - as others said in the mailing list thread, if we argue about wording, nothing will change.
01:30:29Zagorwell, a shell script and a tarball then
01:30:39CIA-43New commit by 03saratoga (r22700): Update front page text to mention first of the new Unstable devices, the e200v2 and Fuze.
01:30:39saratogaok done
01:31:19saratogaZagor: would you check that what i've done is ok and then finish the job
01:31:20Zagorupdated
01:31:53saratoganice
01:31:55linuxstbZagor: I can't connect to www.rockbox.org...
01:32:09Zagorlinuxstb: then your dns is slow.
01:32:40Zagorour bind is set to 30 minutes TTL, so everyone should have the new IP by now
01:32:55saratogathe text for unstable devices should probably word wrap but i didn't know how to do that
01:33:02kugelsaratoga: awesome. time to get the RC away from the bootloaders I suppose
01:33:27Zagorsaratoga: I'll tweak that later
01:33:29kugeland copy the installation instructions from the forum thread to the wiki
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01:34:20kugelsaratoga: </br> or so? It's been a while since I looked at html
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01:34:57linuxstbShouldn't the page just wrap automatically?
01:35:02linuxstbs/page/text/
01:35:12saratogakugel: the wiki already has nice directions
01:35:29saratogaIMO the forums should just be copy of the wiki, or else they should be combined if the forums one is more clear
01:35:43Zagorlinuxstb: it does, but only after the box fills the witdth of the screen. previously the containing box was centered and slightly narrower.
01:35:48kugelI think the ones in the forum are better though
01:36:04saratogaok then replace the wiki ones
01:36:18kugelthe box is huge on my 1024x768 display now :p
01:36:24saratogayeah mine too
01:36:32saratogaIMO it should be limited in width somehow
01:37:02kugelis it planned to list devices under unstable?
01:37:10kugelunusable I mean
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01:38:23saratogakugel: no
01:38:34saratogajust mention they exist and motion towards the wiki
01:38:55JdGordon_saratoga: you do any more clip investigation?
01:39:01linuxstbZagor: What's the new IP address for www.rockbox.org?
01:39:11Zagor83.168.254.42
01:39:14saratogaJdGordon_: unfortunately no, I'm really busy this week
01:39:32saratogaalso waiting for Nico_P to take a look and get back to me with some questions
01:39:40JdGordon_fair enough
01:39:49saratogaduring the semester school takes most of my time
01:39:52linuxstbZagor: Hmm, that's what I'm resolving to...
01:39:52JdGordon_yeah, as usual not much discussion on th eml :(
01:40:09JdGordon_hehe, "no site here" for the ip
01:40:18Zagorlinuxstb: can you connect to svn.rockbox.org?
01:40:21kugelsaratoga: then I think the text in the paranthesis should be in a seperate line. it looks weird that stabe and unstable are lists
01:40:24Zagoror curl.haxx.se
01:40:45saratogakugel: commit anything you think needs fixing
01:41:02JdGordon_Zagor: www.rb.org works.... rb.org doesnt
01:41:09saratogasvn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www .
01:41:18kugelalright
01:41:53JdGordon_I thought we decided the mr500 would be in the unstable group?
01:42:00JdGordon_and beast?
01:42:13linuxstbZagor: Sorry, ignore me. For some reason I've got www.rockbox.org hard-coded in my /etc/hosts...
01:42:17ZagorJdGordon_: fixing
01:42:21Zagorlinuxstb: haha
01:43:24Zagorsaratoga, kugel: can we wait with committing web pages a little while? I still have a bunch of uncommitted changes due to the server move
01:43:33Zagorso commits now will cause conflicts
01:43:57ZagorI intend to commit my changes tomorrow
01:43:58saratogaJdGordon_: we need install directions first
01:44:04saratogasure i'm done
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01:44:44saratogaJdGordon_: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2009-09/0022.shtml
01:44:51saratogathe mr500 might be ready I didn't look into it
01:45:07kugelZagor: the current build page looks weird (entirely white) and the release page is the one from pre-3.0
01:45:29saratogaping karl and ask him what he thinks, then make sure the wiki has directions, a list of what works and doesn't and a bootloader
01:45:41fish_http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10607?string=d2 <- is there anything i can help you to add support for that controller as a non c coder? ;) some more details needed or something like that?
01:46:18kugelfish_: the bug tracker is not suitable for that kind of stuff
01:46:30kugelyou should've posted that in the developement thread of the d2
01:46:49saratogajust close that, and post anything useful in the development thread
01:47:19saratogaAFAIK the only person working on the D2 is shotofadds so you can just tell him things
01:47:22Zagorkugel: download page fixed. I'll work on the build page tomorrow.
01:47:26saratogaanyway real life calls i have to run
01:47:58Zagorbut now I need my 4 hours of sleep
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02:31:28fish_kugel: ok :/ but how can i close the bug?
02:32:49darkhamhi, where can i read some feature of the next 3.4?
02:33:25JdGordon_the MAjorChanges link on the site
02:37:26darkhamgreat
02:41:46fish_looks like PCF50635 is a smaller version of the PCF50607
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02:42:04fish_you have support for the PCF50607, right?
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03:06:55fish_amiconn: did you remeber you saying "amiconn suspects that the pcf50607 is actually a pcf50605 in a smaller package"? ;)
03:07:18fish_amiconn: so the PCF50635 is a smaller version of the PCF50607 which is a smaller version of the pcf50605? ;))
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05:10:22kkurbjunsaratoga, Zagor: I'm reading the logs now, I think the mr500 is ready for unstable status. It is very usable and has installation instructions in the wiki
05:10:34kkurbjunmultiple methods for installation actually
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05:42:45OverandOK dextroverse
05:42:51OverandIT'S TIME TO ANSWER
05:42:54OverandWHO WANTS TO MAKE OUT WITH OVERAND
05:42:58Overandwow ok
05:43:03Overandthat was NOT THE RIGHT CHANNEL
05:43:04*Overand laughs
05:43:41OverandThough #rockbox is of course invited to make out with me if it would like to as well
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06:03:01soapplease play nice Overand
06:03:15Mode"#rockbox -o soap " by soap (n=soap@rockbox/staff/soap)
06:03:50OverandThat's what I get for having too many IRC channels and networks configured in IRSSI
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10:39:21GrahackHi, I successfully built the simulator on my laptop and I'm trying to build for my real iPod now. Problem is I get "rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory" while I never had this error building the sim. Any hint ?
10:40:20gevaertsyes, you're not building in a clean directory
10:42:33Grahackgevaerts: thanks, it works now
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10:45:05pyro_maniacthe irc log seems to be not as usual. it didn't get updated in firefox
10:46:27Zagoroh right, there is something wrong with it. I'll look at it.
10:47:03pyro_maniacand what is missing on the samsung devices to get unstable?
10:47:17pyro_maniaci mean the samsung yh devices
10:49:46markunI think that we have no driver for the flash memory (at least not FTL)
10:50:12markunwho are working on the port, just bertrik?
10:50:16gevaertsmarkun: not those samsung devices :)
10:50:20pyro_maniacnot the yh devices don't need ftl
10:51:31markunI'll shut up :)
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10:52:29pyro_maniaci didn't tested the rbutil support for it but it think they can be named as unstabel
10:52:39pyro_maniac*unstable
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12:15:03edo1493hi i have some questions...
12:15:58edo1493is rockbox an OS for ipod viedo 80gb?
12:16:28edo1493must i delete the apple firmware?
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12:18:07linuxstbedo1493: It works on the "Video", but not the "Classic". And no, you dual-boot between the Apple firmware and Rockbox.
12:18:32edo1493i have an ipod video 80gb
12:18:47edo1493so i have two firmware ?
12:19:01linuxstbYes
12:19:09edo1493i can't delete completely apple firmware?
12:19:56edo1493?
12:20:12linuxstbNot all of it, no. But you don't know it's there once Rockbox is installed.
12:20:42edo1493ok
12:21:09edo1493but i have many songs and videos how can i download them to my pc?
12:21:47linuxstbIs that related to Rockbox? When you install Rockbox, it will find all the music already there (but won't play any of your videos)
12:22:11linuxstbWe also have a fine manual and website that you may want to read...
12:22:38edo1493ok so i must convert videos in rockbox format?
12:23:13linuxstbI wouldn't bother - Rockbox's video playback on the ipod video isn't as good as Apple's firmware, as Rockbox doesn't use the hardware video decoder in that ipod.
12:23:32linuxstbSo for videos, use Apple's firmware.
12:24:15edo1493:O so rockbox supports only music
12:24:24edo1493ok thank you
12:24:31edo1493i have downloaded the manual
12:24:42sinthetek it will play the videos
12:24:48sinthetekjust not as well as the apple firmware
12:24:56sinthetekwith that model
12:25:04edo1493ok
12:25:13edo1493so the video is not good
12:25:19sinthetekbut if you want to convert and play them on rockbox, then by all means...
12:25:40linuxstbedo1493: On the ipod video, no. But on most other devices Rockbox runs on, Rockbox video playback is better than the original firmware.
12:25:42sintheteki dunno how good it is personally, just trying to paraphrase what linuxstb said :P
12:26:12edo1493i want only remove mp4 an use a free format
12:26:20edo1493no proprietary
12:27:22edo1493ok i am hungry
12:27:29edo1493thank you
12:27:30edo1493bye
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12:57:37linuxstbbluebrother, domonoky (for the logs): Is there a new rbutil planned for the near future? I'm working on Nano2G support for ipodpatcher, but won't commit it if you have an rbutil release pending (the changes are quite intrusive, as the current ipodpatcher assumes lots of things about the firmware partition layout which isn't true for the Nano2G, so I've been making the ipodpatcher code more general).
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13:46:42pyro_maniacZagor: did you see that not all commiter names are converted into real names?
13:49:02Zagorfixed
13:59:49kugelZagor: I think I found some bugs in the build client
13:59:59Zagorok?
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14:01:36kugelat least 1. my client, and some others, didn't get new builds after ~2min or so. the worst case I had was that my client doesn't get a build anymore after 1.5min, and the round took 3min after that (so 4.5min in total)
14:02:22kugelsadly rasher's site isn't update to date, his graphs show it easily
14:03:54kugelI think it was 22698
14:05:19kugeloh, and the other bug was that my client was totally underrated for no apparent reason, although it seems to have gotten better over a few builds. it was just strange because its rating was ok when I last attached it two days before or so
14:06:52kugeldiff-stats on the tracker are gone
14:10:38CIA-43New commit by 03zagor (r22704): Updated location of COMMITTERS file.
14:11:34Zagordiffstat installed
14:12:59Zagorclients don't start builds that they have no hope of completing. therefore some clients now stop before the round is finished.
14:13:17kugelhuh?
14:13:30kugelshouldn't they still be used for speculative parallel building?
14:13:43kugelwhat's the point in leaving them idle?
14:14:33Zagoronly for builds that they can reasonable be expected to complete. having my viac3 start an ipodvideo build after 200 seconds is both silly and actually impacts round time negatively
14:14:52kugelapparently the last 6 build rounds took way too long (all ~4.5min), for whatever reason (the reason for my client was probably that it was totally underrated)
14:15:20kugelhow does it impact the round time?
14:15:28Zagorall rounds take way too long. that's simply the way it is.
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14:17:27kugelit may sound silly, but it's not since the expectation isn't very accurate. I looked at the the build graphs, and the blue bars (the expectation) and the other bars vastly differed for many clients
14:18:07kugelmy client was idle for 3 min, even though it can manage 2 fully bloated builds in that time
14:18:26Zagorlink?
14:18:30kugelat least 1 for sure, maybe the second one is getting close
14:18:54kugelrasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/ ...
14:19:36Zagoryeah, but which round?
14:21:11kugelI can't tell for sure, I seem to remember it was 22698
14:21:38kugelall the most recent builds were similar in that extend though
14:24:16peturhmmm rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/ isn't working for me
14:24:42kugelhow does that rating work? it's impressive how the avg speed for my client varied each round starting with r22693
14:26:33Zagorkugel: see sub getspeed in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/buildserver/rbmaster.pm
14:26:50Zagorbasically it's the "33% mediam" of your last 20 builds
14:26:53Zagormedian
14:26:56kugel86, 86, 41, 87, 135
14:27:42Zagoryes, build speeds vary a lot. I still haven't split them up by compiler.
14:27:57kugelI also wonder why I only got checkwps builds in r22693. I got normal builds and had +200 avg speed when I had it attached before
14:28:06Zagorsome compilers give lower speed. bootloaders give lower speed and checkwps gives lower speed.
14:29:26kugelthat was also a round where I finished like 10x checkwps within 30 seconds, and the rest 150s of the build I was idle
14:31:33kugelI still don't understand how starting a not-expected-to-complete (which is even wrong for my and some other clients) negatively impacts the build time, can you explain that?
14:31:52kugelit doesn't make sense to me to let clients idle at all
14:33:26Zagorbecause each build has a "started by" counter, and the big sort routing uses that as one of the parameter to choose builds to run. so if clients mega-slow and molasses-sleep start building ipodvideo and onda747 then mega-fast and zippy-me will instead take player and recorder. which means ipodvideo will be completed later.
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14:36:30Zagornow rasher's page works again
14:36:39Zagor(it was my fault)
14:37:26kugelI don't completing ipodvideo later think that's a real problem. mega-fast and zippy-me will complete both builds and ipodvideo before mega-slow and -sleep even finished configure. if mega-fast and zippy started ipodvideo first, then player and recorder after that it evens out
14:37:57kugelbut I do think that trusting on inaccurate rating is a problem, and it looks like it makes builds take 4.5min instead of <3min
14:38:31Zagorno it doesn't
14:38:36kugelyou can see in the debug page how the green and blue bars differ
14:39:23peturI get the feeling that by making the system more complex, it also gets slower....
14:39:29kugelah, and I possibly only got checkwps builds because I entered the round late (I forgot to turn it on before my commit and did it right after)
14:39:33Zagoruh, yes? sometimes the client is much faster, sometimes it is much slower
14:40:08Zagoryes, that would be it. you start with the small builds if you come in the middle of a round
14:40:24Zagorccache makes speed prediction nearly futile
14:40:42Zagor*accurate speed prediction
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14:42:43Zagorif you look at the graphs you see that it's only at the very end that clients go idle. and only the very slow clients.
14:43:13kugelmy client and b32-roolku really look bad in rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=22695&debug">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=22695&debug
14:43:54kugelmy client isn't slow, it's rather fast. it always has been in the top15. it does ipodvideo in <110s without ccache
14:44:16Zagoryes, that is a special case. since you only built bootloaders you got a very low score.
14:44:52Zagorthat whole round looks rather suspect though.
14:45:17kugelall 4.5 min rounds do
14:45:21*kugel thinks the rating is too inaccurate to let it dismiss clients
14:46:42Zagorfine, I'll disable that check a few rounds
14:49:50Zagorregarding "it evens out": no, it doesn't. that's the whole challenge of build scheduling. fast rounds require an optimally laid puzzle, not just brute force.
14:52:59kugelthis best-fit is still only applied for the round start, right?
14:53:03Zagoryes
14:54:37kugelwell, then I imagine it would be better to use best-fit within the rounds too if possible. this way mega-fast would get ipod-video and mega-slow would get the player, instead of killing mega-slow and let mega-fast do both ipodvideo and player
14:54:40Zagornow look at 22704, which has the check disabled. all clients that were previously disabled now get all their builds cancelled
14:55:15kugelyou should've warned me, my client wasn't on :p
14:55:25Zagorlook at some others. like b32-roolku
14:55:37kugelthe round was 30s faster still, even without my fast client
14:55:49peturkugel: that's why the build rounds are slow, you keep your client off :p
14:56:12Zagorspeeds vary. 22694 was sub-3
14:56:45kugelI meant compared to the same build which was done with the check
14:56:55Zagorand yes, it would be fun to best-fit in the middle of rounds. but with the speed estimates we get, it's just wasted effort.
14:56:58kugelit looks like the same clients participated, except mine
14:57:40Zagorthat doesn't really matter. they get different builds and therefore run at different speeds.
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15:01:16kugelbest-fit in the middle seems vastly more promising than deactivating clients to me
15:01:48kugelalso, a lot of clients even got their initial build killed in r22704
15:02:31Zagoryup. fun, isn't it?
15:02:31kugellabb-zagor looks to me as if the disabling of the check enabled him to do a lot more builds, but it may just seem so
15:03:00Zagorlooking at single rounds is like reading tea-leaves. you can see whatever you want so see :-)
15:03:05kugelshaidBuild-Shaid too
15:03:36kugellooking at other rounds doesn't help either since they have the check
15:03:58kugelit's a bit sad that the system is so non-deterministic
15:04:10kugelbut you can't really help it
15:04:14Zagorwhat you should be looking at is the difference between blue and green bars. how much they differ both positively and negatively. then consider how much use it is re-allocating the schedule in the middle of the round with such noisy values.
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15:04:57kugelthey still differ much from what I see
15:05:17edo1493i am installing rockbox and i have a question
15:05:22ZagorI played a while with allocating slightly smaller builds (not filling the entire round time) so that the roolku clients would not be cancelled. but in the end it takes more time than it gains.
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15:05:34Zagorkugel: that's the point. they differ hugely.
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15:05:40edo1493the manual say: b
15:05:40edo1493Note: The entire contents of the .zip file should be extracted directly to the root of
15:05:40edo1493your player’s drive. Do not try to create a separate directory on your player for the
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15:05:40edo1493Rockbox files! The .zip file already contains the internal structure that Rockbox needs.
15:06:02edo1493but in ipod what is the root?
15:06:25kugelZagor: yea, but that fact is known, so I didn't investigate it further :p
15:07:15kugelis it just ccache that makes the rating so wrong for b32-roolku?
15:07:30edo1493??
15:07:41Zagoras I understand it the roolku machines are often busy with real work.
15:07:58Zagoredo1493: do you not know what a root directory is?
15:08:23edo1493ehm...no
15:08:26Zagoredo1493: try this http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/root_directory.html
15:09:17Zagori.e. the topmost directory
15:09:23edo1493ok
15:09:35edo1493but what is the root directory of my ipod?
15:09:47Zagorwell, where is it mounted?
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15:10:04edo1493" b
15:10:05edo1493 the root of
15:10:05edo1493your player’s drive
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15:10:17Zagor?
15:10:35edo1493"the root of your player' s drive" what is?
15:10:39dionoeaedo1493: what OS do you use?
15:10:47edo1493gnewsense
15:11:08kugelah yea, considering that the clients are very possibly busy during builds (and ccache) makes having accurate rating next to impossible
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15:11:48dionoeathen as Zagor mentioned, the "root of your player's drive" is the mount point. So probably something like /media/ipod or /media/disk
15:11:52evilnickedo1493: The root folder is the drive letter (in Windows) or the mount point (I *think*, in linux). i.e. the iPod but no directory/folder under that
15:12:02kugelbtw, I hope to get my monster client back in soon
15:12:11Zagorkugel: nice
15:12:22gevaertsevilnick: is there a reason you're trying the manual install instead of the GUI installer?
15:12:31kugelthe uni moving is mostly finished, and the new semester is starting in 2 weeks
15:12:35edo1493i use google...
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15:13:08gevaertsedo1493: is there a reason you're trying the manual install instead of the GUI installer?
15:13:26edo1493no
15:13:44edo1493I don't know what is the gui installer...
15:13:50evilnickedo1493: Perhaps you should use the RBUtil program then
15:14:31dionoeaedo1493: http://www.rockbox.org/download/
15:14:48edo1493i have download that
15:15:08edo1493now i must put it in the root directory..
15:15:30kugelmy client is online now, in case you want to do another build. my client should be able to do a alot more additionally to its expectation
15:15:54Zagorwe'll see :-)
15:16:06edo1493?
15:16:36evilnickedo1493: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility#Download
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15:17:22edo1493evilnick i have just downloaded it
15:17:57edo1493now i should put it in the root directory of my ipod
15:17:58Zagoredo1493: you don't have to put the installer on your ipod. saveit on your computer, and run it.
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15:18:24edo1493:o
15:18:43edo1493right
15:21:15edo1493Zagor thank you i am understanding.....
15:21:36edo1493my installer is running
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15:31:25edo1493when i select my device i must put the home folder?
15:31:45edo1493??
15:31:53edo1493like /media/ipod
15:32:00evilnickYes
15:32:50edo1493the rockbox utility don't find it..
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15:33:02edo1493doesn't*
15:33:45edo1493"No ipod detected permission for disc acces denied"
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15:36:46edo1493i have another errore when i click on install rockbox "Http error 404"
15:37:43edo1493many ideas?
15:38:16edo1493i understand it... :(
15:38:20edo1493"Detected an unsupported Apple player variant. Sorry, Rockbox doesn't run on your player."
15:40:11edo1493i have an ipod video 80gb i thinked it was compatible?
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15:42:50edo1493??
15:42:52gevaertsedo1493: the ipod video is supported. The ipod classic is not.
15:43:36edo1493my ipod is 80gb and i can see video
15:43:45edo1493so i think it is ipod video
15:43:54edo1493isn' it?
15:43:54dionoeathe classic can display video too
15:43:55merbztmost likely a classic
15:44:05dionoeadoes it have rounded edges?
15:44:29edo1493i don't remeber
15:46:59edo1493how can i see if it is classic.?
15:47:25dionoeaanswering my question would help
15:48:03edo1493...
15:48:09edo1493one moment
15:48:32dionoeahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20070913_iPod_5-6_Gen_side-by-side.JPG the left one is a classic, the right one is a video
15:49:10evilnickThis link shows how to identify which model of ipod you have: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
15:49:32edo1493dionea yes
15:49:42edo1493dionoea yes
15:50:42edo1493i didn't know what did you say for "edge" i am not english mother tongue
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15:51:36edo1493dionoea my ipod is that in the photo
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15:52:00evilnickedo1493: Right, or left?
15:52:10dionoeaI was going to ask the same :)
15:52:11edo1493right
15:52:22edo1493no left
15:52:36edo1493left
15:52:47evilnickIt's a classic and not supported then
15:53:14edo1493:(
15:54:03edo1493is there a free mp4 converter?
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15:55:43evilnickedo1493: Perhaps, but that is offtopic for this channel
15:55:58edo1493ok
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16:09:08kugellooking at the ipod classic pic above, that sort of UI should actually be possible with custom ui vp and custom statusbar :)
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16:36:57n1sshouldn't the gigabeast be added to the "Unstable Devices" list on the frontpage?
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16:39:04kugeln1s: www is in trunk go for it:)
16:39:11kugelI'll add the yh925 too
16:39:41n1sdoes the webpage actually use what's in svn now?
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16:41:12*gevaerts isn't convinced about the beast
16:41:29kugeln1s: it just needs a manual update
16:42:04linuxstbn1s: MrSomeone should at least release some official binaries - there's nothing stopping that afaik.
16:42:37n1sah, right
16:43:04n1sgevaerts: what makes you not convinced that the beast is unstable?
16:44:10GreatBeaverhave you guys ever heard that sound quality depends on software? such as how efficiently it is written?
16:44:34ZagorGreatBeaver: certainly
16:44:40GreatBeaveri think ive heard some people say rockbox has better sound quality than stock software
16:44:47GreatBeaverbut how can it be?
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16:44:59GreatBeaverwas software buggy before?
16:45:19LloreanGreatBeaver: You're decoding compressed audio. There's often a tradeoff between mathematical accuracy and speed, and if you trade too much for speed it can be noticeable.
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16:45:29LloreanEven without bugs this can be true.
16:45:30gevaertsn1s: well, I am convinced that it is unstable :). The main problem I see is that we don't have a set of installation instructions that if followed carefully more or less guarantees a working installation
16:45:32GreatBeaveri see
16:45:40gevaertsI'm not really against adding it though
16:45:42saratogathe beast shouldn't be made "unstable" until we have actual install directions on the wiki for it
16:46:00saratogaor rather ones that aren't completely incomprehensible, half out of date, and spread across multiple pages
16:46:02GreatBeaverwhat about decoding lossless audio Llorean ?
16:46:21saratogan1s: that was directed to you
16:46:26LloreanGreatBeaver: Unless there's a bug, under identical circumstances (no DSP, hardware identically configured) it shouldn't change.
16:46:49GreatBeaverare decoders often buggy?
16:46:53saratogano
16:46:54LloreanOdds are in many cases "Rockbox sounds better" is either placebo effect, or someone talking about how we offer more sound altering options than the original firmware on their player.
16:47:01n1ssaratoga: yeah, and as linuxstb mentioned, an officialy released bootloader
16:47:05GreatBeaveroh ok
16:47:09saratogaif someone on the internet says X sounds better its usually because they're dumb
16:47:50GreatBeaverim reading about some computer software player that loads all the music into ram rather than reading it off the hard drive and it claims it can have an audible improvement
16:47:58GreatBeaveri was wondering if it could be applied to rockbox
16:48:09LloreanGreatBeaver: Rockbox plays all audio from RAM.
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16:48:31GreatBeavervirtual ram? i think my mp3 player harddrive has like 8 mb of cache
16:48:33ZagorGreatBeaver: if it has any effect, it is likely only because of noise caused by the harddrive etc. and rockbox already buffers audio before playing.
16:48:40GreatBeavercool
16:48:41LloreanI suspect you may be misunderstanding the article, since the general process of dealing with files is "load to ram, then manipulate/use"
16:49:14GreatBeaverhere's the software i was reading http://cplay.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php
16:49:32GreatBeaverit says it avoids I/O interference by using actual ram and not virtual ram
16:50:24ZagorGreatBeaver: the presence of the word "audiophile" on that page indicates it is aimed at an, uh, religious crowd :)
16:50:38n1sZagor: heh :)
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16:50:57n1sGreatBeaver: anyway, rockbox has no virtual ram
16:50:59TorneIt's not technically inaccurate. :)
16:51:08GreatBeavercool ok
16:51:21Torneinternal sound devices will pick up interference from other internal devices
16:51:30Tornethe less of them you are using the less interference there will be
16:51:40Tornebut this is a really tiny effect, unless your motherboard is exceptionally badly designed
16:51:51Torneand this is why pro audio devices are external boxes that attach over usb or similar :)
16:52:06saratogaGreatBeaver: i think you've misunderstood everything on that page
16:52:09LloreanTorne: Or unless you're a Sansa e200v1
16:52:25GreatBeaverthe webpage talks about both software and hardware
16:52:26LloreanThough I guess that qualifies as "exceptionally badly designed"
16:52:27TorneLlorean: i presume that comes under "motherboard exceptionally badly designed"?
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16:52:48LloreanTorne: Writing to both the LCD and reading from the flash can cause audible output noise.
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16:53:05LloreanTorne: And on the H100 there can be noise when writing to the remote LCD (which isn't the motherboard, so there! :-P)
16:53:09TorneHehe
16:53:21Tornethe remote lcd goes down the same wire as the audio though, no?
16:53:24Torneso that's understandable :)
16:53:28LloreanYes.
16:53:29LloreanVery
16:53:36saratogahmm although the author of that webpage is clearly an idiot
16:53:43LloreanGreatBeaver: Needless to say, we take steps where applicable to minimize hardware noise on the audio output.
16:53:58GreatBeaverwow really?
16:54:01GreatBeaverhow?
16:54:27TorneGreatBeaver: that page is *mostly* a load of nonsense. it explains that jitter comes from DACs (which is true) but then talks about software induced jitter
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16:55:49GreatBeaveryes, but it also says that if there are no bugs, the only source of jitter comes from hardware, and how much load the software has on the hardware
16:55:59GreatBeavernot sure if its true
16:56:01saratogathat page is just a bunch of words thrown to gether
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16:56:11saratogathe author doesn't understand them any better then you do
16:56:24crashdfighting talk!
16:56:29GreatBeaverhas any mp3 player company tried to come loaded with rockbox?
16:56:42LloreanNo.
16:58:10GreatBeaverif i donate to rockbox where does the money go? the owner of rockbox?
16:58:31Tornejitter is a property of the DAC. Nothing except how you configure the DAC and which DAC you have makes any difference
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16:58:48Tornethe load on your IO system, CPU, etc makes no difference, unless your machine is so loaded it can't keep up playing in realtime
16:58:51Torne:)
16:59:02linuxstbGreatBeaver: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DonatedMoney
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17:25:27GreatBeaverif a mp3 player company asked rockbox to make their software would rockbox do it?
17:26:49evilnickGreatBeaver: There's very little chance of a *big* company asking. As RB is GPL so any DRM playback would have the decoding routine out in the open.
17:27:07GreatBeaveroh
17:27:16gevaertsGreatBeaver: "rockbox" isn't a person or a company, so your question makes no sense
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17:28:04GreatBeaveris an individual allowed to receive money from a company to write their software with rockbox?
17:28:30Tornesure.
17:28:42Torneas long as they don't violate the GPL, anyone can do what they like
17:28:45Torneincluding being paid to work on it
17:30:43GreatBeaverin rockbox for iriver, it searches the hard drive whenever you navigate inside of "Files", would it be better to just make a text file of all the folders in Files\Music and not search the hard drive until someone clicks play on a music file?
17:30:51evilnickBut the GPL involves making the source available, as I understand it. Which means that DRM couldn't feasibly be supported, without being "cracked" in a nanosecond.
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17:31:33GreatBeaverdrm doesnt work on rockbox atm then?
17:31:53evilnickIt's probably a no-do
17:32:45evilnickGreatBeaver: First point here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo
17:33:07peturGreatBeaver: if you enable dircache, the directory structure and filelists are cached so the drive doesn't spin (unless you click a file to play)
17:33:39GreatBeaverit only works if you access your folders by Database i think
17:33:45peturnope
17:33:51peturdircache
17:34:21GreatBeaverit also applies to files in Files?
17:34:26peturyes
17:34:48peturas long as it fits the cache (which is quite large)
17:34:55GreatBeaverhow many mb is the cache if i have 4000 songs? i think the cache on my mp3 player is 30mb
17:35:10TorneGreatBeaver: probably less than 1MB
17:35:16petur4000 songs is nothing...
17:35:21GreatBeavercool
17:35:36GreatBeaverim going to try to cache
17:38:24GreatBeaverload to ram is dircache right?
17:39:56Torneno.
17:40:02GreatBeaverah nm i found it
17:40:04Tornethat loads the database to ram, which speeds up database navigation
17:40:19Tornemy dircache is 750kb for 11,000 files, for reference
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19:55:12Bagderbtw, TBRN doesn't host a download server these days so we don't need to mention them as sponsors
19:56:43*Hillshum is sure they don't mind us continuing to do so
19:57:02BagderI think you're right!
19:58:42pixelmamaybe that helps them getting one up again ;)
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20:30:49domonokythe build-info from the server changed somehow: ttp://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/build-info did contain the info about "current" builds, and http://www.rockbox.org/daily/build-info about dailys and releases. now both only contain info about "current" builds... this breaks rbutil a bit..
20:32:23domonokyie it now only presents "current" builds. as if no targets where released and no daily were available.
20:32:40domonokyi suspect the server moving broke this.. :-/
20:32:51linuxstbdomonoky: Hi. Did you see my question earlier about whether you have a new rbutil planned for the near future?
20:33:40domonokylinuxstb: no, i dont have time to read the logs :-) But i plan a new rbutil in the near future, but we need to hide some non-working targets in rbutil first :-)
20:34:22linuxstbdomonoky: OK. I'm doing a lot of work on ipodpatcher at the moment (to support the Nano2G, plus a general cleanup), so will hold back from committing anything until the new rbutil comes out.
20:34:33domonokythere are 2 reasons for a new release: e200v2/fuze support and many bugfixes :-)
20:38:49*Hillshum likes the first one
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20:51:22*domonoky found the normal build info under: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/build-info :-) now i only need to change url in rbutil :-)
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21:02:08domonokyno voice download available anymore ?
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21:03:47domonokygenlang.cgi also doesnt work anymore.. :-/
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21:04:56moosdomonoky: bug Zagor for it. Didn't recently moved rockbox's files to another location?
21:05:41domonokymoos: yes, rockbox.org moved to another server.. if only Zagor was here :-)
21:06:05moosdon't worries, he will appear :)
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21:38:17pyro_maniacpetur: on your researches in the E100 have you mantioned the second partition?
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21:47:36froggymanI have been getting 403 errors ever since the host was changed
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21:54:58pyro_maniac JdGordon|: wasn't it you who made the researches on the e100 ?
21:55:12JdGordon|not very much
21:55:23JdGordon|I poped mine open and took some bad scans
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21:55:49pyro_maniacnobody had a look into the second partition?
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21:56:06pyro_maniaci 've seen that
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22:02:50aidywhat could be the reason for a wps running on the sim but not on the hardware
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22:04:29Lloreanaidy: Did you compile your own sim, or are you using a precompiled one? It may be a slightly older sim and something's changed.
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22:08:42aidyLlorean: i compiled it myself
22:08:46aidymcuelenaere: hi
22:08:53mcuelenaereaidy: hi
22:09:10aidymcuelenaere: you know about the touch screen code right?
22:09:18mcuelenaereaidy: I know some parts, yes
22:09:29aidyok :)
22:09:36aidycurrently making a wps for the D2
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22:10:01mcuelenaereall touchscreen WPS tags are documentated AFAIK
22:10:16aidythere are some things, such as the sim errors out when you use progressbar or volume or menu
22:10:26aidyas a touch screen area action
22:11:24mcuelenaerethe sim errors out when using progressbar or volume? What kind of error?
22:13:43aidyERR: Failed parsing on line 34 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 50: "No token"
22:14:02aidy34 %T|8|170|304|19|progressbar|
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22:15:34aidyshould i try on an mrobe-500 target sim?
22:19:09domonokyhi Zagor: genlang.cgi doesnt work anymore, and also there are no voice downloads available. maybe you forgot something when moving the server ?
22:20:01domonokybluebrother: what do you think of making a new rbutil release in the not so far future ?
22:20:10mcuelenaereaidy: cabbiev2 seems to work fine on the VX747 sim
22:20:25mcuelenaereaidy: does the Cowon D2 cabbiev2 come with touchscreen WPS tags?
22:20:31bluebrotherdomonoky: how stable is the current svn? And is there a need for a new release?
22:21:01domonokythe need is bugfixes and ofcourse e200v2/fuze support.
22:21:07aidymcuelenaere: it doesn't
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22:21:19mcuelenaereaidy: try the mrobe500
22:21:32mcuelenaerethat seems to have the same resolution and have touchscreen tags
22:21:36aidydoing that
22:21:37bluebrotheris e200v2 now a supported target?
22:21:47aidymcuelenaere: i used to use the mrobe wps
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22:22:01domonokybluebrother: its now officially a "unstable" target. see website :-)
22:22:01aidybut an old version
22:22:05*bluebrother hasn't caught up with the emails of the last few days
22:22:05mcuelenaereaidy: then somebody should make that standard for the D2
22:22:15aidyya
22:22:50froggymanwhy isnt the Gigabeat S an "unstable" target then?
22:23:18domonokybluebrother: from my short tests current svn rbutil seems to work fine, when zagor fixes voice and genlang.cgi :-)
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22:24:52AlexPfroggyman: No clear concise install instructions, + the install doesn't always work +
22:24:57AlexP-+
22:25:10aidymcuelenaere: the mrobe simulator has a vga resolution?
22:25:48mcuelenaereaidy: yes, it does; but AFAICS 320x240.mrobe500.wps is the same resolution as the Cowon D2
22:26:11aidythat's true
22:29:52Zagordomonoky: the intention is that voice is to be on download.rb.org too
22:31:01domonokyZagor, bluebrother: another need to release new rbutil versions. some url changed/ will change :-)
22:31:27Zagordomonoky: well I can make compat url rewriting, so it's not critical
22:32:40domonokythen also a URL rewrite rule for the fonts and daily-info would be nice. ( i already changed those urls in svn rbutil, but the current rbutil cant get them at moment)
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22:33:28domonokyZagor: any plans for genlang.cgi changes ? or was this just missed ?
22:33:42Zagorthat was missed
22:34:11Bagderthere's an impressing number of tiny services spread out all over ;-)
22:34:21Zagoryeah I'm trying to focus them a bit :)
22:34:50*bluebrother thinks calling changes like that "fix" is misleading, as it wasn't wrong before −− it's merely catching up with changed done on the server
22:36:48*domonoky think a attempt to concentrate all those services a bit would be a good thing. and i am willing to "catchup" with rbutil if needed.. :-)
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22:41:50*domonoky images rbutil communicating with a webservice on rockbox.org instead of downloading various info files, someday in the far future :-)
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22:55:25Zagorumm, should daily voices be in download/daily/voices or download/voices?
22:55:58Zagordo we ever have any other voices in /voices ?
22:56:13Bagdernot that I can recall
22:56:20Zagorno, the release voices are in /release. so /voices it is
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22:56:32jo_hello!
22:56:51ZagorI guess fonts should be in /fonts too, then
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22:57:38jo_I was wondering if there was a way for me to listen to all my songs shuffled but if I wanted to, go into one of the songs directory (or album) to choose a song from the same artist
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22:58:28jo_Ive tried looking online but found little advice... all I seem to be able to do is put all songs in one big playlist and shuffle them
22:58:57jo_also, how exacly does the Follow Directory option from the File Browser work?
22:59:06domonokyshould our new unstable builds be added to the daily builds ?
22:59:13jo_If anyone out there can answer It would be GREATly appreciated :)
22:59:25Bagderdomonoky: I'd like that
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23:00:16Lloreanjo_: Follow playlist means if you click select to leave the WPS you'll be in the folder of the song playing (if you're in the file browser)
23:00:24LloreanWhich more or less solves your other question too.
23:00:43saratogasomeone PMed me complaining that I am wrong in telling him theres a device status link on the front page
23:00:50Zagormy plan is to not run separate daily builds anymore, but rather at 06:00 in the morning copy the latest build that the client farm has done
23:01:19saratogamaybe using bold for the link or something would be a good idea
23:01:52domonokyZagor: so all targets in the buildfarm get daily builds, or will there be a selection what to copy ?
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23:02:17Zagordomonoky: I don't see a reason to limit the builds
23:03:01domonokytrue, it cant hurt to have archives of early targets
23:04:27AlexPjo_: Use follow playlist, then when you want to play another song by the same artist as is currently playing, click select to get into the folder as Llorean said, then hilight the new song you want, open the context menu on it, select playlist, then queue next (if you don't want it to stay in the playlist)
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23:05:15Zagorsaratoga: I think we can rather rework it a bit to make it clearer
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23:10:53CIA-43New commit by 03zagor (r22709): Fixed symlink
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23:12:22aidymcuelenaere: is it possible that touch screen areas are buggy?
23:12:33mcuelenaereaidy: not that I know of
23:12:39Zagorgenlang fixed
23:12:50mcuelenaereaidy: what sort of buggy behaviour are you seeing?
23:12:51***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:13:08bluebrotherliar|netbook: ping
23:13:12aidynothing is being 'pressed'
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23:14:09aidymcuelenaere: i'll zip it up
23:14:20mcuelenaereaidy: zip what up?
23:14:27aidythe wps
23:15:42liar|netbookbluebrother: ?
23:17:25jo_AlexP : Sorry... not too used to irc, I think ive got it sorted out... thanks for the help!
23:17:44AlexPjo_: No problem, and glad to hear it :)
23:19:06aidymcuelenaere: it seems that it's just the 'next' action that doesn't work
23:19:14bluebrotherliar|netbook: argh, sorry, wrong nick completiong
23:19:19bluebrotherlinuxstb: ping
23:19:24linuxstbbluebrother: pong
23:19:36bluebrothernow with the nick intended :)
23:19:52mcuelenaereaidy: seems to work fine here (VX747 sim)
23:20:12aidyworked fine yesterday too
23:20:22bluebrotherlinuxstb: how shall I proceed with mknkboot relicensing? Is it ok if I simply change the license header and commit, or do you think it's better if you did as you wrote it?
23:21:01linuxstbbluebrother: I guess I should do it... Do you have a patch though ;)
23:21:56linuxstbBut it seems almost too trivial to relicense. So you're intending to incorporate that functionality into beastpatcher?
23:22:43bluebrotheryes, that was my plan. Then we can get an equivalent to ipodpatcher for the beast.
23:23:25linuxstbOK, I'll just copy the header from beastpatcher/main.c
23:23:32bluebrotherok, great.
23:23:33aidymcuelenaere: could you have a look if you've got time? http://omploader.org/vMmQ5eg
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23:24:50CIA-43New commit by 03dave (r22710): Change the mknkboot license to BSD to enable its code to be incorporated into beastpatcher.
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23:28:19mcuelenaereaidy: next seems to work fine here on D2 sim
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23:28:28mcuelenaereare you sure you're running latest SVN and without patches?
23:29:10CIA-43New commit by 03zagor (r22711): Added rbutil compat link for /manual
23:30:09CIA-43New commit by 03zagor (r22712): Removed unused symlinks
23:30:14aidymcuelenaere: well yes... I'll start over though. - could you uncomment the lines marked by SIMBUG and see if those work?
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23:32:11mcuelenaereaidy: they don't seem to give any WPS parse error..
23:33:55aidyokay well
23:34:08aidythis is a mess here :D
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23:39:18CIA-43New commit by 03Domonoky (r22713): rbutil: change some more URLs to match new locations.
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23:41:37jo_AlexP : Got it all nice and groovy... just a quick question, if I press select to go in original dir and choose another song, can I go right back on the random playlist when I hit next? Must I always go to playlist catalog and reload the playlist?
23:41:54froggymanmy iPod 5.5G video is still in the "Warning Low Battery" screen, I just got this yesterday, so I plugged it in and let it charge overnight, it is still on the same low battery screen. Is there anything else I can do to fis it, or can I consider the battery dead and have to get a new one?
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23:43:12aidymcuelenaere: okay next works again, but the progressbar and home actions don't, and now i'm 100% sure that this is up to date and clean
23:43:37mcuelenaereaidy: yes, progressbar doesn't seem to work here either; have you checked viewports etc?
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23:44:26aidymcuelenaere: does the wps load if you have the progressbar touch area?
23:44:32mcuelenaereyes
23:44:40AlexPjo_: Highlight the song you want, open the context menu, then select playlist then queue next
23:45:15AlexPjo_: It'll play the song you just added (after the current one), then carry on with the playlist as before (and the song that you added will be removed from the playlist)
23:45:55aidymcuelenaere: well it doesn't here, it works on the target though (well it's like on your sim, I might have done something wrong viewport wise, but I had it working fine before)
23:46:23mcuelenaereaidy: can't help you much about that, I'm not a viewport etc expert
23:46:45aidyuh just swapped a %V and %T line
23:46:47aidyoops etc
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23:47:22jo_AlexP : Soweeet I cant believe I didint think of this... thanks again! (my cowon d2 has file number limits and the original firmware messes up the DB all the time after I got a new SDHC... seems like rockbox is gonna be my new interface)
23:47:22aidywell not really
23:47:33aidyi just need to put it in the default viewport
23:47:36AlexPjo_: No problem :)
23:47:57jo_AlexP : Thanks again...
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