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#rockbox log for 2009-09-17

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00:20:47amiconnZagor: No news item re the wiki update etc?
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00:25:57froggymanif I were to get a new battery for my iPod Video (30GB) what battery capacity would you recommend
00:26:00froggyman?
00:26:18krazykitwhatever the capacity of the battery is
00:28:00froggymanwell, the standard is 480 mAH, but you can get up to 800 mAH, and various ones in between; I know with the higher capacities their may be a chance of it expanding, has anyone had this problem
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00:30:27krazykitfroggyman, oh, i see, which one should you buy, not "what do i set rockbox to"
00:30:52froggymanthat is correct
00:35:04Zagoramiconn: news added
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00:50:59aidymcuelenaere: thanks for the help, everything works now on the D2. It would be great to be able to set a song's rating from the wps though... would that be hard to implement?
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00:51:47mcuelenaereaidy: I don't know, I suppose that's related to the database? I have zero experience with that part :)
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00:53:16aidymcuelenaere: okay :)
00:53:40aidyI'll ask on the forums somitem
00:53:43aidysometime
00:53:48mcuelenaereaidy: is there any support for viewing the song's rating in a wps atm?
00:53:56aidyyes
00:54:55aidyhow does the screendump feature in the debug menu work
00:56:09froggymanit does a screen dump whenever you plug it into USB, then stores the picture in the root directory of the device, you simply click it to enable then click again to dis able
00:56:29aidyaha
00:56:39aidywasn't sure when it'd capture
00:59:04froggymanits on the wiki, next time you should check their *first*(searching or using the doc index will be easiest) then if you cant find it, ask on here :)
00:59:28aidy*there
00:59:29aidyyw
00:59:30aidy:P
00:59:44aidybut you're right
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01:06:11aidyscreendumps don't actually seem to work on the D2
01:07:02sdfdfg2345dferghello, im attempting to run the Rockbox Utility and am getting the error "network error: request aborted"
01:07:09kugelsomething is still bugged with the deps
01:07:15sdfdfg2345dfergim running behind a nat firewall, is their any ports i need to open?
01:07:33kugelthat LANG_LIMITER -> LANG_COMPRESSOR change destroyed my build
01:09:45sdfdfg2345dfergcan anyone help me with my problem? :)
01:11:10pixelmawhen do you get that error, I mean what do you want to install at that moment?
01:12:47sdfdfg2345dfergi recieve this error as soon as i open the application, i havn't attempted to install rockbox yet, ive noticed that its retriving the themes fine
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01:12:56sdfdfg2345dfergwhat the hell, ill hit install and see what happens
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01:19:25pixelmasome things changed yesterday when the Rockbox server was moved to a new location which meant that some parts are not in the location the Utility expects them anymore (themes have been on a different server before so weren't affected), I guess that has something to do with that
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01:32:11sdfdfg2345dfergok just installed it fine, wow that was the easiest open source install ever
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07:37:29TheSevenFYI, guys, we managed to execute code on the 4g nano tonight! Farthen's Nanotron robot found the sweet spot, and cmwslw confirmed it. We hope to have a memory dump of that thing soon.
07:37:49rvvs89Awesome
07:38:15JdGordonWOOHOO!
07:38:15JdGordonwell done
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07:44:09LinusNwhoa!
07:44:13TheSevenbruteforce robots are a really nice offload for people :-)
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08:01:25*LinusN is impressed by the nanotron :-)
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09:25:14TheSeven|Mobilesorry for join/quit spam, stupid phone having issues...
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09:26:10CIA-43New commit by 03dave (r22714): Add an app.lds and some stub functions for the Nano 2G - this isn't enough to make rockbox.bin compile, but it's a step towards it (more commits ...
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09:36:11CIA-43New commit by 03dave (r22715): Add PLL2 definitions for the S5L8701, plus some config file tweaks for the Nano2G
09:43:49linuxstbCurrent status of the Nano 2G (not all in SVN yet) - http://173.78.93.52:8080/rockbox.jpg
09:47:39Zagornice!
09:48:15linuxstbButton/wheel driver is working, but no NAND access yet.
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09:58:25AlexPZagor: There are no manuals at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml - has the page changed?
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10:00:02Zagorhmm
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10:05:21CIA-43New commit by 03dave (r22716): TIMERB is in a different location on the S5L8701
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10:27:59ZagorAlexP: manuals are slowly trickling in now. the nightly build was buggy.
10:48:19AlexPZagor: ta :)
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11:00:31kugelawesome success on the nano2g!
11:00:34kugeland 4g!
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11:18:38merbztwhere can I find details about the crypto ?
11:26:23LloreanHey, um, why didn't we ever just use the size of the firmware partition to distinguish 32mb and 64mb iPods?
11:26:37LloreanDoesn't the 64MB one always have a larger firmware partition for the larger hibernation data?
11:27:14LloreanOr at least, shouldn't it? (Since it may be that they just partition all 80gb ones with a 128mb firmware partition to be safe)
11:27:36LinusNi haven't thought of that
11:27:38linuxstbLlorean: ipodpatcher now does proper RAM detection (using the XML scsi inquiry)
11:27:52Lloreanlinuxstb: Ah, even better.
11:28:14LloreanWell ignore me then. :)
11:28:23linuxstbAlthough I don't think that's been released in rbutil yet (it doesn't matter for ipodpatcher itself, as the bootloader is the same).
11:28:47LinusNi read the comments to the nanontron post on hackaday
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11:29:05linuxstbmerbzt: Which crypto? http://l4n.cluster.com is the linux4nano wiki which has whatever documentation is available.
11:29:09LinusN"don’t have any clue why they don’t just wire up the darn switches directly to a uC"
11:29:23LinusNeasy answer: it's not nearly as fun!!!
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11:46:40merbztlinuxstb: the nano gen2 firmware crypto and key
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11:52:14linuxstbmerbzt: TheSeven|Mobile should be able to tell you more, but I believe it's simply AES-encrypted, using the hardware crypto unit in the Nano 2G's CPU. That crypto unit has two keys - a generic one (same on all devices) and a device-specific one. Apple helpfully used the generic one for the firmware (and NOR) encryption.
11:53:50linuxstbYou can't extract those keys, just use then to encrypt/decrypt data. So a bootloader needs to be encrypted on a real device (but any device) before writing it to the firmware partition.
11:56:04merbztI thought it was something like that
11:58:35kugellinuxstb: I can't access that page
11:59:41kugelhttp://l4n.clustur.com/index.php works
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12:30:59kugelmarkun: nope, but possibly the same as clipv2
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12:31:31markunI was thinking of buying one for my girlfriend
12:31:55kugelbut we're not sure for clipv2 either, it appears to be as3531, and the disassembly showed some armv5 instructions
12:32:29kugeloh, I wasn't aware that the cpu is a key-feature for your girlfriend :)
12:32:35markun;)
12:32:40soapscorche, Llorean: I know I am constantly comparing our forums to HydrogenAudio - but I /do/ think they are an example of many things done right.
12:32:42markunshe likes rockbox
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12:33:52soapAnyway - to the meat of my point: HA.org now has what I consider to be a really nice forum "tweak" wherein as soon as someone quotes your posting you can no longer edit it. There also is a time window (I don't know the length) on editing posts.
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12:34:32soapLlorean, I know you are w/o forum admin powers - but your input is always welcome.
12:35:15soapI bring this up, because of gdfj12's recent thread work where he has edited out so much of his offensive work as to make the thread rather confusing.
12:36:22kugelthe quote isn't updated when someone edits the original post, is it?
12:36:28soapnope
12:36:38kugelso the original message would still be in the quote
12:37:28soapassuming the replier quoted the whole thing.
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12:38:24soapone can drastically change the tone, and even the thrust, of a post by editing only the unquoted prose.
12:39:11Lloreankugel: Since the quote is just whatever is between [quote] markers anyway, it becomes a "his word against mine" if someone edits their original post.
12:39:24kugelI think having a time frame is good, it still allows fixing small typos, but not changing one's opinion in the meantime
12:39:43AlexPWhat if you change your opinion?
12:39:50kugeladd another post
12:39:52soapyou make a new post
12:39:59AlexPIf nobody has replied?
12:40:06kugelin a real conversion you can't just undo what you said either
12:40:11AlexPI can see the once it has been quoted, replied to
12:40:23AlexPthing, as as soap said that can get confusing
12:40:31Lloreankugel: No, but in a real conversation you can also apologize to the person you said it to, and ask them not to repeat it.
12:40:38AlexPBut I don't see why edits should only have a certain time if nobody has replied
12:40:40LloreanWhich is, essentially, what editing a post before anyone else reading it is doing.
12:40:55soap"I'm not racist, but did you ever notice how .... ... ... "
12:41:32kugelAlexP: our "must not double post" surely complicates it a bit
12:41:40AlexPI'd agree with the once quoted "lock" it thing (or once replied to), but not a timelimit for edits if nobody has replied
12:41:40LloreanI do like the idea of "can't change a quoted post" but I don't know if that's even possible with our software without some work (and would then probably still be unreliable)
12:41:52soapAlexP, I don't claim to have a perfect understanding of how their modifications work. Perhaps I was in err over the time limit aspect.
12:42:04LloreanActually, a "once replied to, can't be edited" wouldn't be bad in my opinion though
12:42:21AlexPYes, I think the once replied can't edit has merit
12:42:26LloreanSince a lot of times someone will post, rethink the post, and edit it while someone's writing a reply so there's a mismatch even without quotes
12:42:51soap _that_ still slips by on HA.
12:43:35soapit appears the rule is no pressing the edit button after someone posts their reply, not no posting an edit after someone posts their reply.
12:44:49soapI get the impression through usage that I could press the edit button as soon as I post, walk away, and have the back door to post my edit at anytime in the future.
12:45:27AlexPI don't suspect that'd be a major problem though
12:45:28Lloreansoap: does it post an "edited at:" watermark on the posts at least?
12:45:33soapyes
12:46:38AlexPsoap: Anway, you don't need to sneakily circumvent it, you would be able to edit them anytime :)
12:46:50LloreanI mean, the goal is to have all new information added to the thread in chronological order. It would be nice to let people go back and fix typos but non essential. I do, however, think it's essential to give people time to fix a poorly though post before people read (or at least, respond to) it.
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12:49:45LloreanI guess the real problem is simply support for the feature in software.
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13:04:10soapMy old offer still stands to pay for the switch if Rockbox ever decides to go to IPB.
13:05:19soap( I offer to pay as I don't have /any/ experience in what is likely a PITA initial setup) ;)
13:08:45AlexPIsn't that proprietry?
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13:28:42soapyes - but I don't see what the downside of that is.
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13:34:35AlexPThat we have to pay for it
13:35:08AlexPAlso, to a small extent the principle
13:35:37AlexPBut I don't know anything about the relative strengths of SMF vs IPB
13:36:02AlexPAll I know is that I'd rather be open source if it doesn't bring any downsides :)
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13:43:59Zagorgenerally the downside is that you're not able/allowed to modify it. but maybe you get source with IPB?
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13:48:55soapIPB is quite inexpensive (free if you take up soap on his offer). It also has excellent support (ex. they'll convert any existing database over for you), I /believe/ you get full source, and the "mindshare" for it seems higher (in a iPhone Apps Store vs Android Apps sorta way)
13:49:34soapand just about every feature we have ever discussed as (possibly being) missing is already in it or easily available.
13:50:06Zagoris HA running IPB?
13:50:31gevaertsif you want fully open source forum software, from what I understand SMF also doesn't apply anyway
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13:52:00soapZagor, yes
13:52:22soapand i don't consider $150 but a pittance for a tool that does what you want.
13:54:07ZagorI don't have an opinion. as gevaerts says, we're already on non-opensource forum software.
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13:59:06Zagorbtw, the forums and themes sites should grab the new head.html
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14:05:12kugelZagor: the foswiki tables are nice, but it's annoying that they don't have column seperators. Can that be changed in some way?
14:05:27Zagorthe don't?
14:05:53kugelno, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS looks like a mess for example
14:06:40Zagorgosh! it looks just fine in opera... I'll fix.
14:07:27kugelno separators in ff and chrome
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14:50:38Zagorcolumn separators added
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15:47:25pyro_maniac1Zagor: why need i to login to see the history of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSFirmware ?
15:48:01Zagorgood question
15:50:44Zagoryou don't
15:50:53Zagorwhich exact url are you using?
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15:52:02pyro_maniac1you mean this http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/rdiff/Main/SansaAMSFirmware?type=history ?
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15:52:48pyro_maniac1on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/rdiff/Main/SansaAMS?type=history i didn't need to login
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15:53:48Zagorstrange
15:54:46Zagorfor some reason it gets redirected to bin/rdiffauth, which requires authentication
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16:20:51kugelZagor: another strangeness I've noticed: if you click on one of the links at the beginning of a wiki page (to jump to captions), it reloads the whole page and then jumps. I'd expect to just jump
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18:29:02w1ll14mhi guys
18:29:07w1ll14mhow's this possible ?
18:29:18w1ll14mhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/rdiff/Main/SansaAMSFirmware?rev1=29;rev2=28
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18:31:11w1ll14mi clicked link on recent wiki changes somehow i changed a wiki page even without knowing it....
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18:35:12DirtySkeMehello
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18:35:33LudericHello, I've got a small question about themes
18:35:48DirtySkeMerockbox is only work on ipod under windows?
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18:36:30w1ll14mDirtySkeMe rockbox requires a supported ipod which is fat32 formatted
18:37:05DirtySkeMemean i need my ipod to run on itunes window
18:37:16DirtySkeMecause i'm a mac user
18:37:18evilnickLuderic: Ask away, if anyone knows then they'll answer
18:38:35evilnickDirtySkeMe: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32 could be useful reading then
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18:39:34DirtySkeMeis it possible i format it to fat32 then install rockbox and still have it working on my itumes mac?
18:40:08LudericI've made a theme that is an exact copy of the WPS from the Sansa E200 player, to use it on the Sansa E200 with Rockbox. It use picture extracted from the original firmware. Would it be "legal" to publish it on the theme website for Rockbox, if it's only for use on the Sansa E200?
18:40:37evilnickDirtySkeMe: I doubt it, but I don't use a Mac so I'm not 100% sure. I imagine that the Mac version of iTunes would expect a Mac-formatted iPod.
18:40:53w1ll14mDirtySkeMe as far as i know mac supports fat32 formatted ipods
18:41:09evilnickDirtySkeMe: Maybe you could use virtualisation and use a Windows version of iTunes if your Mac doesn't support it.
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18:41:17DirtySkeMei'll try
18:41:39DirtySkeMebut use a vm for my music collection no way
18:41:39evilnickLuderic: No, that would be infringing the copyright of the original firmware
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18:42:36Ludericevilnick: Ok, thank you for the information. I'll keep it for myself then =3
18:42:47DirtySkeMein the faq they say it should work
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19:00:42gevaertsevilnick: itunes on mac handles fat32 formatted ipods just fine
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19:15:27evilnickgevaerts: Thanks for the info
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19:50:51bertriknice to see the stuff committed for nano2g by linuxstb, it will probably help in getting the meizus forward too
19:51:44shotofaddsso... who is best to speak to about the themes site?
19:52:07shotofaddsI'd like to get the D2 added to encourage development of touch-enabled themes
19:52:29aidyshotofadds:
19:52:36aidyhi thar
19:52:57shotofadds..but since the D2 shares the same resolution as another player (iPod Video, 320x240) there might need to be some distinction between touch and non-touch themes
19:52:59aidyshotofadds: did you try out the theme
19:53:21shotofaddsaidy: no sorry, just got in from work. I'll try it later, it's looking good though
19:53:31aidyit's nothing special though
19:54:01shotofaddsyeah but it's at least one touch-enabled theme - it'll show others how to do it if nothing else
19:54:11bertrikshotofadds, there is a mechanism to override wps's of the same resolution from other targets by adding the target name in the wps name
19:54:16pixelmashotofadds: maybe it helps you comparing how the different screen depths are seperated for the three 160x128 screens
19:54:37bertrikthis was done for the clip for example (because of the blue/yellow split)
19:54:38aidyshotofadds: the mrobe 500 theme works too i think
19:54:41pixelmabertrik: that would be SVN included themes
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19:55:04pixelmaI thought he was talking about the theme site...
19:55:04shotofaddsbertrik: even for svn themes that's not ideal, since several targets could share the same touch theme...
19:55:11shotofadds(eg. m:robe in 320x240 mode)
19:55:13bertrikpixelma, and I'm probably confusing wps's with themes I think
19:55:33shotofaddsaidy: I haven't tried that, but if it is a touch-enabled Cabbie we should make it the default
19:56:34aidyyes
19:56:52shotofaddsalthough as bertrik said, we will have to copy the m:robe one and add 'cowond2' to the name. I don't like that :/
19:56:59pixelmashotofadds: the theme site code is in SVN (different module IIRC), you could do the changes yourself and "just" need someone to put them online (similar to the frontpage), I think
19:57:31shotofaddspixelma: it's a great idea, except I know no PHP (and I think there's a database table somewhere listing the targets.. which I have no access to)
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19:58:22shotofaddslooking at svn, mcuelenaere and rasher are the people to talk to...
19:58:54bertrikcould it be that looking at the history of a wiki page causes it to be marked as edited?
19:58:55pixelmabut with different people administering the site (rasher is one of them - maybe you can help you too ;) )
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19:59:51bertrikI saw something was changed in SansaAMSFirmware so I just looked at the history, then suddenly it was marked as edited by me on the rockbox homepage
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20:00:24shotofaddspixelma: I've drawn an SVG of the D2 which I will add to the manuals section in SVN, are there any special requirements for that?
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20:00:39shotofaddsalso, do you know how the images used for the website are generated?
20:01:07pixelmabertrik: I think I read in the logs that this happened to ones before you too (which is the reason why it was marked as edited)
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20:02:49pixelmashotofadds: special requirements... if you also want to produce the png and especially the pdf, I found that the epstopdf tool doesn't like filled areas with holes and transparency
20:03:00aidyshotofadds: should I release under creative commons? (would involve drawing some icons)
20:03:50pixelmathe small images were exported with Inkscape from the SVG - set to 80 pixels for the wides dimension, then handed to Bagder
20:04:04pixelmawidest too
20:04:53shotofaddsaidy: have you read the theme guidelines? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ThemeGuidelines
20:05:07shotofaddspixelma: thanks, i'll bear that in mind
20:05:11pixelmashotofadds: the "transparency" in my previous statement was meant generally not referring to the filled areas
20:06:04pixelmashotofadds, aidy: for some reason I think that wiki o
20:06:12pixelmapage is out of date
20:06:13shotofaddsmine should hopefully be ok, it's all made out of solid shapes afaik
20:06:33*pixelma hates backspace near the enter key
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20:07:49aidywell gpl is almost the same as CC SA
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20:08:01pixelmahmmm... didn't the wiki pages have the date and author of the last change listed at the bottom somewhere?
20:08:39shotofaddsyes, that seems to have disappeared
20:08:57shotofaddsseems Zagor isn't here now...
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20:27:31bertrikn1s, someone claims the calendar is off by one day in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10610 on ipod 5g, maybe you saw something weird with that
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20:39:34w1ll14mcan someone with wiki knownledge check what happened here http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/rdiff/Main/SansaAMSFirmware?rev1=29;rev2=28
20:40:04w1ll14mwhen i was browsing recent.shtml i clicked the link to SansaAMSFirmware.. it seems it somehow changes something after that
20:40:43w1ll14mi don't understand what happened as i did not change it
20:40:55bertrikw1ll14m, that happened to several people
20:41:00w1ll14mhmmm how strange
20:41:28w1ll14mphfeww... than it's not a mistake i made ;)
20:42:00w1ll14mcool commits for the nano 2g!
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20:52:08bluebrotherhmm. The collapsed build table also hides the download links ...
20:53:40bluebrotherand what's the reason for providing the mr500 build but not the beast?
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20:55:16aidywhy doesn't the cabbie theme get included if I build an mrobe 500 target
20:56:23JdGordon|because its not fixed for 640x480
20:56:34aidyo
20:57:27pixelmabluebrother: I think this is because the beast isn't called supported due to unreliable installation
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21:00:05aidyhow would i go about assembling the cabbiev2 mrobe 500 theme
21:00:09aidyin it's current state
21:00:19aidybecause i need it for the D2
21:00:58JdGordon|the d2 one shuold work?
21:01:14JdGordon|just rename the mrobe500 in the filename to d2
21:01:21JdGordon|or something like that
21:01:25aidythere are some icons
21:01:38JdGordon|they wont change
21:01:51aidyno i mean, that the d2 version doesn't have
21:01:53JdGordon|rename it to d2 then do a d2 build
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21:40:16TheSevenw1ll14m: see our wiki
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22:21:45UbuntuxerIs it ok, if I commit a small patch for snake, which saves the last selected speed, although it's feature freeze ?
22:22:25JdGordon|create a bug for it first :)
22:22:43Ubuntuxerok
22:22:51JdGordon|na, go ahead.. its not a big deal.... new stuff in the core and *big* plugin changes should be held off thouhg
22:24:03Ubuntuxerok, thanks;-)
22:24:31bertrikI wasn't aware of this exception
22:25:56shotofaddsJdGordon|: do you know anything about seeking using the progressbar on touchscreen targets?
22:26:16shotofaddsI find it works, but the skip happens a few seconds after I touch the screen
22:26:21JdGordon|not really
22:26:35shotofaddseverything else seems to work normally
22:26:40JdGordon|my mr500 has been out of action for a while so I've only played with it in the sim
22:27:08JdGordon|does it pause music before doing the seek?
22:27:34shotofaddsno, it keeps playing for 2-3 seconds, then seeks
22:29:14JdGordon|thats probably the problem then...
22:29:39JdGordon|that handling is still prrobably in gui/wps.c
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22:30:16shotofaddssorry for being dumb, but what do you mean by that?
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22:30:54JdGordon|the touch handler probbaly doesnt call audio_pause() before seeking (which I'm pretty sure regular seeking does)
22:31:10JdGordon|just a guess though
22:31:20shotofaddsah, sounds plausible
22:31:39shotofaddswhen you said it's still in gui/wps.c, where should it be?
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22:38:47CIA-43New commit by 03Ubuntuxer (r22719): Rename Starting Level to Snake Speed, save the last selected speed, remove highscore list, and clean up the code a little bit
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22:41:43n1sbertrik: nope, not comitted yet, will do after release; i'll look at that during the weekend if i find the time
22:41:46moustiqueHi. I'm considering to buy an ipod and flash it. Probably ipod Video. Mostly interested in the support for FLAC/Monkey Audio. How up-to-date are the rockbox codecs, seems all the development has been done at least 2 years ago. Will the device work fine with newer edition of these codecs?
22:43:16JdGordon|shouldnt have any problem
22:43:29JdGordon|as long as you actually get a video and not a "classic"
22:43:52moustiqueyeah, they are harder to find now
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22:44:37LloreanDon't expect Monkey's Audio to work well on an iPod
22:44:40LloreanThey're quite slow.
22:45:15shrivenHello. So it looks like the very beginning of the disk on my iPod is not functioning, but the rest *appears* to be fine. My question is, is it possible to boot rockbox/ipodOS from the first partition if it is offset 100mb into the drive?
22:46:11n1sand wow, that is some bugreport :)
22:46:45TheSevenshriven: theoretically, moving the firmware partition should work. if not, you will still be able to enlarge the firmare partition and move the files (and even the directory) to some other place
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22:47:02JdGordon|shriven: yeah, rocbkox shouldnt have any problem booting the first fat32 partition on the disk... the ipod os could be different though
22:47:08TheSevenso if the first 126 sectors are still working properly, you should be fine
22:47:34shotofaddsJdGordon|: adding a pause/unpause works fine. I'll commit the fix.
22:47:35n1sshriven: generally a drive that is showing signs of failure is going to get worse or fail completely "pretty soon"
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22:47:50shrivenn1s: yea, I know... Just hoping to get some more usage out of this.
22:48:49shrivenTheSeven: well, I am pretty sure that in the first 10 sectors or so something is not working. Is it ok to Skip those? ie, currently I have /dev/sdx1 starting at sector 14.
22:49:10TheSevenshriven: are you talking about sectors or cylinders?
22:49:35shrivenTheSeven: /dev/sdb1 14 26 104422+ 83 Linux
22:49:37CIA-43New commit by 03rob (r22720): Fix delay when seeking using the touchscreen by adding a pause/unpause.
22:49:53shrivenTheSeven: from fdisk -l
22:50:56TheSevenwhatever this means... (don't have a linux box handy)
22:50:59moustiqueoh great, problem with monkey. So is it even worth messing with rockbox then, ipod do play apple lossless. There is this thing http://www.dbpoweramp.com/
22:51:04shrivenahh, sorry
22:51:05shrivenhmmmm
22:51:23TheSevencan you just post the headings of that table?
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22:51:36TheSeven(or just pastebin the whole output)
22:51:36gevaertsmoustique: if you take a codec that's been designed to have trouble playing realtime on a PC and try to use it on a DAP, what do you expect?
22:52:05n1smoustique: it's not a "problem with monkey" the format is just not well suited for playback on devices with relatively slow cpus
22:52:23shrivenTheSeven: ok, those numbers are the cylinders
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22:53:19*shotofadds thinks the build system is broken
22:53:24shrivenTheSeven: here are sectors: http://pastebin.com/m26ca0825
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22:54:10TheSevenshriven: as i was talking about the first 126 sectors, that would be the first two tracks on cylinder 0
22:54:24TheSeventhis is just what is needed for the partition table and the firmware fs superblock
22:54:27shrivenok, so another question about the formatting. When I use the bin from the rockbox site to create the partition, it sets the first partition as type "empty", mine is "Linux" is that going to be a problem?
22:54:28bluebrotherZagor: what do you think about having the build output in dev.cgi multiline? I.e. a column like "Ipod Nano" gets rows "build", "bootloader", "checkwps" and "sim"?
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22:54:48shotofaddsany output right now would be good ;-)
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22:54:51shrivenTheSeven: ok, I think those are fine
22:55:06TheSevenshriven: not sure how the apple firmware handles this, but the firmware partition should usually have type 0
22:55:38shrivenbasically my theory is based on when I try to dd of=/dev/zero if=/dev/sdb, it always fails at 8.5 megabytes
22:55:47shrivenwith a read write error
22:55:51shrivenhmmm ok
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22:57:38TheSevenshriven: i would suggest pushing it towards the beginning of the disk
22:57:52AsaelReiterkugel: As you suggested, I changed FS #10589 to use macro.
22:58:00moustiqueJust want to confirm that this one is alright to get "rockboxed" http://www.ecost.com/Detail/MP3/Apple/MA003LLA/42515029.aspx?navid=155441533
22:58:19AsaelReiterDoes anyone know why the webclient doesn't work?
22:58:23shrivenTheSeven: hmmm, so trying to contain the first partition in the first 8.4 megabytes or so of the disk?
22:58:33TheSevenshriven: so /dev/sdb1 would be start 63 end 208844 type 0, and /dev/sdb2 would stay like it is
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22:58:48shrivenTheSeven: ok, I'll give that a shot
22:58:50shrivenTheSeven: ty
22:58:58TheSeventhen try to restore a firmware image to the first partition afterwards
22:59:06shrivenok
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22:59:47TheSevenshriven: if you're seeing an error at 8.5MB within the current /dev/sdb1, it's at physical ~115.5MB on the disk. The firmware partition will easily fit before that
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23:00:06shrivenhmmm, ok
23:01:35CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22721): Fix a bug where the conditional use of %C (i.e. %?C) caused the album art to draw (noticed in FS #10596).
23:01:51moustiqueSeems like ipod video are only available apple-recertified now. Is there a good chance that it doesn't break quickly? Has anyone bought them refurbed? Just have little trust to those...
23:03:30CIA-43New commit by 03vitja (r22722): i7: Fix memory bus initialization, thanks to Genia Bezman!
23:03:31Zagorbluebrother: I think it would be quite complex. I don't think we need to see all 152 builds all the time.
23:03:43CIA-43New commit by 03bluebrother (r22723): Refactor mknkboot in preparation for beastpatcher integration. ...
23:04:46bluebrotherZagor: ok. I'm just kinda missing the table :)
23:05:37CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r22724): Wormlet: Fix food and argh possibly overlapping each other. ...
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23:08:31JdGordon|arg... /me wants to look at the svn diff :(
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23:10:56kugelJdGordon|: once it's save, please have a look at my very band aid from FS #10599. I think it's a dirty band aid, but it's better than having the bug in the release I think
23:11:13kugelsafe*
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23:11:58JdGordon|yeah, this arvo... we can always remove the bandaid when a better fix happens
23:12:42*JdGordon| wont have any rockbox time untill monday unfortunatly :(
23:12:45kugelsure, but the chances for a better fix usually drastically reduces if the known bugs are gotten around
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23:14:40kugeland I think the only better fix is introducing %Cd which breaks all WPSs
23:14:48JdGordon|I disagree
23:14:59JdGordon|well...
23:15:10JdGordon|it would have been better at the begining, but its too late now I tihnk
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23:15:34kugelI meant, it's not optimal, but any other fix is just going to be a variation of my fix
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23:16:20kugelIt's never too late for getting the crowd against us with huge breakage :)
23:16:32JdGordon|after the release... not before
23:17:03kugelnot sure if that's any better. then we have WPS that only work with the latest release and the other only work with the current build
23:17:16JdGordon|yes
23:17:18kugelI think it would be better if the situation was the same for current builds and the latest release
23:18:12JdGordon|no, most people stay on the last releae (apparently)... current build it supposed to be unstable
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23:19:56shrivenTheSeven: Hey... so I'm not sure how to set which sector my partition starts/ends at, fdisk uses cylinders. How do I do that?
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23:20:23kugelJdGordon|: so you want each theme twice on the theme site? once for the release folk and once for the current build guys?
23:21:01JdGordon|not nessecarily
23:21:16JdGordon|if there was a "show only current build" themes then yes
23:21:24aidyshriven: you can change that
23:21:37shrivenyea? ok, I'll have a read through the man page
23:24:00saratogahey Vitja is back
23:24:04shrivenaidy: hmm, I'm not seeing anything. Do you know off the top of your head how to change it?
23:24:35shrivenaidy: nm! I got it
23:24:43shrivenit did work, just wasn't immediately apparent. : )
23:24:59aidyshriven: :)
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23:27:38pixelmakugel: I've been told to ask you about the statusbar problem after leaving the colour choser screen - it gets wrong colours until the next redraw (so if you "lucky" you don't see it) at least after setting background or foreground colour to something different. Any idea?
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23:28:21DirtySkeM3hello
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23:29:06DirtySkeM3after installed a virtual pc on my mac and itunes windows i did format my ipod nano 1st generation to win
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23:29:28bertrikmeh, make reconf doesn't seem to work for creativezvm30
23:29:40DirtySkeM3then now when i try to install loader or full install i get could not open ipod
23:30:05DirtySkeM3then i tried login as root same problem
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23:30:25DirtySkeM3anyone have a solution
23:30:33DirtySkeM3getting tired of this
23:31:41LloreanDirtySkeM3: Does rbutil auto-detect it properly?
23:32:18DirtySkeM3nopenever did
23:33:10LloreanWhat color is it?
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23:38:34LloreanDirtySkeM3: Then you need to figure out what's odd about it that's preventing rbutil from detecting it. Is the original firmware working normally? What type (numeric) is the second partition?
23:39:27DirtySkeM3before it was in mac format and it couldn't detect it
23:39:40DirtySkeM3now in window mode same problem
23:39:43LloreanThat doesn't answer any of my questions.
23:40:14DirtySkeM3i don't get your question
23:40:28LloreanIs the original firmware working properly?
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23:41:57DirtySkeM3yeah it was when it was in mac format
23:42:05DirtySkeM3and now in windows too
23:42:06Llorean*Is*, not *was*.
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23:43:26LloreanOkay, now if you check the partition types in some program (for example fdisk) what type is the second partition. It should show something like 0xB or 0x0B or 0xC or 0x0C
23:43:27domonokyDirtySkeM3: you could try the manual way to install with ipodpatcher (see manual)
23:43:59Lloreandomonoky: If rbutil isn't detecting it, we should at least figure out why (as it's either something that needs fixed in rbutil, or something that will cause ipodpatcher to fail too, right?)
23:44:08domonokyLlorean: true
23:44:38*Llorean wishers linuxstb were around.
23:45:08kugelpixelma: JdGordon's just trying to give me the bugs. I don't think I'm responsible for this old bug
23:45:12Lloreandomonoky: Do you know if it looks at the partition types? I seem to recall that restoring could leave the second partition as 0x0C (which is valid, but it's normally 0x0B I think)
23:45:13DirtySkeM3i used disk utility
23:45:24DirtySkeM3it only show 1 partition as fat32
23:45:28kugelI've noticed it myself, but I'm not sure how to fix it
23:45:52LloreanDirtySkeM3: There should be two partitions. One is hidden. Which may mean you need to use a better tool.
23:45:53kugelone could try to do send_event(GUI_ACTIONUPDATE) upon exiting, it may help
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23:46:09LloreanDirtySkeM3: And as I said, I want to know the numeric type, not the description they use for it.
23:46:43DirtySkeM3i'm a mac use
23:46:45DirtySkeM3r
23:47:00DirtySkeM3don't know about command line
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23:47:24DirtySkeM3i never thru couples hours ago this will be so much a hassle
23:47:30domonokyafaik mac also has fdisk (in the command line)
23:47:47LloreanDirtySkeM3: For most people it's no hassle at all. Something is different about your iPod, which is what we need to figure out.
23:47:51DirtySkeM3i thru i just needed the utility and that's it
23:48:16*domonoky wonders what "thru" is .. :-)
23:48:25DirtySkeM3i found on the forum bunch of the people did have the same trouble
23:48:41DirtySkeM3i was thinking......
23:49:12JdGordon|uh oh!
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23:49:20DirtySkeM3i reformat my ipod to win cause it won't install it
23:49:38DirtySkeM3now they is something wrong somewhere and nobody know
23:49:41domonokyDirtySkeM3: how did you convert ?
23:49:54DirtySkeM3using itunes on winxp
23:50:07DirtySkeM3as i readed in the faq
23:50:36DirtySkeM3no i gone try from my VM winxp to do the install
23:50:42DirtySkeM3maybe it will work
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