#rockbox 2009-09-22

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#rockbox log for 2009-09-22

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00:00:16	JdGordon\|	either make the change now and fix every theme out there.. or leave it
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00:00:38	kugel	it can actually be automated for the theme site
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00:01:09	kugel	s/%C/%Cd/
00:01:20	kugel	I don't think we care about other themes that much
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00:03:23	n17ikh	is there a reason rockbox doesn't look for Folder.bmp, according to http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildap3.html ?
00:03:42	n17ikh	it looks for everything-else.(jpg, jpeg, bmp)
00:04:28	Torne	n17ikh: because windows doesn't look for folder.bmp
00:04:35	Torne	so there's no point
00:04:44	kugel	n17ikh: the reason is that strcmp() instead of strcasecmp() is used in the code. I.e. it only recognizes folder., not Folder.
00:04:46	JdGordon\|	thats a silly reason
00:05:00	kugel	arg, I didn't see the bmp
00:05:05	n17ikh	kugel: case-sensitiveness aside
00:05:09	Torne	JdGordon\|: i assume that's the reason anyway :)
00:05:21	n17ikh	I didn't know windows was album-art aware
00:05:25	Llorean	n17ikh: We support the filenames that we initially used, plus the filenames that other major programs use.
00:05:32	Llorean	"folder.bmp" doesn't seem to fall into either of those categories.
00:05:45	n17ikh	but for the sake of consistency had my bitmap album art covers named the same as my jpeg ones
00:05:54	Torne	n17ikh: explorer, in thumbnail mode, displays folder.jpg in the icon for a folder
00:05:58	kugel	JdGordon\|: I brought something similar up (it doesn't read in folder.jpeg). they seemed to be keen on the tiny savings in the searching loop
00:06:12	n17ikh	I see. I thought it was just something someone had made up and it had caught on
00:06:37	JdGordon\|	the way it should work is read albumartsearch.txt so the user can choose how they want it
00:06:38	Torne	no. it's not just for album art, so it's not called something more music-y
00:06:52	n17ikh	so, really, I should rename all my album art "cover.jpg"/"cover.bmp"
00:07:23	JdGordon\|	and if that file doesnt exist then just folder.jpg and cover.bmp
00:07:38	JdGordon\|	infact screw cover.bmp
00:08:01	n17ikh	only reason I have bmp album art covers is because they're GIF or PNG
00:08:36	Torne	n17ikh: for the purposes of rockbox you might as well compress them to jpeg, no?
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00:08:40	JdGordon\|	kugel: ok, you are right that %C and %Cd shuold be seperate... but this really isnt the time to do that change... do it when we support more than one aa image, because then it will very likely need to be broken again anyway
00:08:44	Torne	s'not like it's displaying them very big :)
00:09:08	n17ikh	well... it irritates me to lossily compress something that's already lossy
00:09:18	n17ikh	I guess it doesn't matter so much for PNGs
00:09:42	n17ikh	and, really, it doesn't matter at all for rockbox, but it's ostensibly more about portability
00:09:52	JdGordon\|	add pn support to the core.. or as aa codec :)
00:10:23	Torne	gif isn't lossy (except inasmuch as you need to reduce to 256 colours)
00:10:24	kugel	n17ikh: png is uncompressed
00:10:24	JdGordon\|	that would be cool actually... swapable image codecs (using the audio codec buffer), they would just need to be damn fast so the audio doesnt underrun
00:10:31	n17ikh	kugel: Are you sure it's case-sensitive, anyway? All my album covers are Folder.jpg
00:10:44	JdGordon\|	FAT is not case sensitive
00:11:06	kugel	but it keeps the case intact
00:11:15	Torne	kugel: except when it doesn't ;)
00:11:27	kugel	huh?
00:11:32	Torne	the rules for LFN creation on windows are baroque
00:11:45	Torne	some names that fit in 8.3 don't get a long filename created and thus lose their case
00:11:59	Torne	and it varies between windows versions as a bonus
00:12:12	Torne	see "case" parameter of vfat fs on linux :)
00:12:45	Bob_C	Baroqueness is how MS got their patents
00:13:02	kugel	so, it still may happen that strcmp'ing folder.jpg doesn't match a file created as Folder.jpg
00:13:08	kugel	we had this reported before
00:13:36	Torne	it would be all uppercase on disk if it had n lfn
00:13:50	Torne	lowercase chars are not allowed in actual FAT dir entries
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00:15:30	n17ikh	so it seems like a bad idea to use strcmp instead of strcasecmp, to me
00:15:55	Torne	kugel: not sure how our FAT code handles it tho
00:16:28	rasher	kugel: in which universe is png uncompressed?
00:16:33	kugel	alright, I really should look into the code before claiming stuff. there's no strcmp :)
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00:16:52	kugel	rasher: I mean it's lossless. slightly messed up the term
00:17:01	rasher	ah
00:17:16	JdGordon\|	Torne: who you calling FAT?!
00:17:44	Torne	heh
00:17:44	kugel	that was answering to "well... it irritates me to lossily compress something that's already lossy" which isn't true for png
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00:22:39	kugel	JdGordon\|: I actually plan to add more AAs somewhere around statusbar patch (I didn't plan multiple AAs per skin though)
00:23:03	JdGordon\|	so do the change then
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00:23:49	JdGordon\|	multi-AA per skin would be sweet... front/back/front-smaller
00:23:53	JdGordon\|	etc
00:24:02	JdGordon\|	have 15MB of images in the buffer...
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00:27:00	domonoky	JdGordon: how about animated AA, with many pics :-)
00:27:22	JdGordon\|	that too
00:27:27	JdGordon\|	totally doable!
00:28:51	*	domonoky wants animated AA in the statusbar... on a archos player :-)
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00:30:26	domonoky	more serious: wps plugins, ie visualisations drawing into a wps viewport would be uber-cool ..
00:31:43	JdGordon\|	I did some work on that probably 2 years ago.... had a plugin overriding the displayers (I tinhk before the tokeniser changes)
00:31:50	*	kugel fails to see the point of (animated) visualisation
00:32:47	kugel	it should be doable with background plugins actually
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00:33:28	kugel	the main problem is that drawing must only happen in the main thread, which kills background drawing
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00:33:59	JdGordon\|	not nessecarily...
00:34:28	domonoky	a tsr plugin with a darwing callback registered somehow could work.
00:34:30	kugel	the way to go is probably to add the update functions to the plugin api somehow, and let the plugin do the wps updates
00:34:54	kugel	which could be launched through the wps context menu
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00:54:56	amiconn	Torne: The rockbox fat driver simply always creates lfn entries when creating a dir entry
00:55:26	amiconn	And for reading, it knows about the undocumented NT case bits for base name and extension
00:57:00	Torne	right
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01:00:46	stripwax	I sometimes get faint audio glitches when playing Bubbles .. not sure what the cause might be, but seems to happen when I press a button => something odd in the button driver or cpu boost ? I first noticed it when testing out the 0ws boost patch, but I recently noticed same on unpatched build too. Very faint glitch (sounds like a handful of samples dropped)
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01:01:09	stripwax	Will see if it's there on latest current build too
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02:16:52	Strife89	Most notably with the Photo, which is the model I own.
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02:47:42	mt	Has there been any decision on FS #10362 ?
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02:50:43	mt	And FS #4831 too ? (too many too-old still-open bugs !)
02:54:32	JdGordon\|_	apparently not :)
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03:10:34	dd09	Hey all.
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03:52:19	Jared	Hello all,
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03:52:38	Guest99956	I go to the daily builds page to download the voice files, but I can't find them there.
03:52:48	Guest99956	where are they?
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03:55:57	j8048188	does anyone know where to get the voice files?
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04:07:16	j8048188	TheSeven, do you know where to download the voice files?
04:11:53	JdGordon	from the voice link on the download page
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04:13:30	j8048188	ok, thanks. found it. The links on the extras page should be fixed to show this. It is not listed on the daily builds page as stated in the wiki.
04:15:40	j8048188	Can someone give me write access on the wiki?
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05:24:50	R31D	anyone here know internally about the ipod classic ?
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05:32:37	JdGordon	its got a pcb or two... a battery... some chips
05:32:54	JdGordon	maybe a couple dozen resistors and capacitors
05:33:03	R31D	im having trouble tring to figure out what is wrong with mine
05:33:11	R31D	i got a new hdd for it
05:33:28	JdGordon	well.. you;re in the wrong place
05:33:41	R31D	i hear the hdd working but when i go to the diagnostic test for it dont show up
05:33:56	R31D	might be the ribbon to the hdd im htinking
05:34:30	R31D	hrmm i was told to come here
05:43:02	moos	rasher: can you please update your "Languages status" page when you can, it seems out of date
05:43:40	moos	Thanks in advance
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06:39:35	Mataamad	I downloaded the trunk from the svn, and tried to compile for nano2g, but it error's when linking, is it not possible to even compile it?
06:41:30	R31D	woot i got my 4th gen into disc mode finally
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06:41:54	R31D	x my fingers for a restore
06:42:12	R31D	damn need to download itunes
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07:05:55	bluefoxx_	Does anybody know if the sansa E200 series SD slot supports SDIO?
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07:06:42	JdGordon	for what?
07:06:57	bluefoxx_	In general
07:07:16	bluefoxx_	If I wanted to try and hack a SDIO camera or wifi card into it
07:08:50	JdGordon	well... its all open source so assuming there is no hardware changes needed you should be able to do it
07:09:16	bluefoxx_	So the SD controller supports it than?
07:10:22	*	JdGordon doesnt kno
07:10:24	JdGordon	w
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07:12:14	bluefoxx_	As far as I know, the microSD slot on the e200 series is just a reader tacked onto the portalplayer's USB bus
07:12:26	bluefoxx_	Or something like that.
07:13:08	bluefoxx_	I'm hoping its advanced enough that I could adapt something like a SDIO wireless card or SDIO bluetooth chip onto it and do some crazy stuff with that...
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07:31:30	CIA-43	New commit by 03jdgordon (r22780): add the %St setting to the debug output for checkwps/parser.... needs mroe work to make it more useful
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09:05:09	RalpH_himself	hey guys! I want to update my rockbox version to (hopefully) erase some bugs. How do I do that, without deleting all my database, eqs, settings, wps, fonts etc.? Can I use the RockBox Utility?
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09:07:06	RalpH_himself	or just manually copy some files? wich are the important ones? "rockbox.ipod" and the "codepages" folder, is that already everything? I didn't find anything else that looks important...
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09:13:09	RalpH_himself	seems to work fine
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09:19:36	RalpH_himself	except that I still don't get the bookmarks to work, the "recent bookmarks" item in the main menu always says "bookmarks empty" :-S
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09:27:16	amiconn	RalpH_himself: That is not enough. It's pure luck that it works. You'll need at least the codecs as well, and depending on whether you use them the plugins as well
09:28:03	amiconn	Either use rbutil, or just unzip the build on top of your installation. It won't overwrite any files you created
09:28:06	RalpH_himself	so the plugins and the codecs are also rebuilt every day?
09:28:37	amiconn	Regarding this as well as the bookmark functionality, it's all described in our fine manual
09:29:04	Dhraakellian	question: does bookmarking only work when playing tracks from the filebrowser?
09:29:29	RalpH_himself	amiconn: I still couldn't figure out the bookmark functionallity...
09:29:37	amiconn	Yes they are. As long as there is no api change, older plugins and codecs will work, but then you'll miss bugfixes in them
09:30:05	amiconn	Dhraakellian: yes
09:30:33	RalpH_himself	amiconn: ok then i figured it out, i always use the database :-S
09:31:08	Dhraakellian	daaang
09:31:25	Dhraakellian	I walked in here to ask a question, not knowing that bookmarks were already being discussed
09:35:43	RalpH_himself	omg, I just connected my ipod to my mac, it's stuck in the rockbox usb mode, i just turned round the wheel and suddenly the music on the mac became quieter...
09:36:28	Dhraakellian	hmm... does that work with the e200(v1)?
09:36:50	RalpH_himself	i guess that's apple-specific
09:37:23	Dhraakellian	I sadly no longer have my e200, since it was handed down to my brother when I got my fuze rockboxed.
09:37:28	RalpH_himself	and I can't do anything else with my rockpod right now, its not operational no more, but not yet mounted as a new volume
09:37:53	Dhraakellian	and I need to stop talking in here before my tiredness makes me veer offtopic
09:37:57	amiconn	No it's not. Recent rockbox works like a mini multimedia keyboard on targets with software usb
09:37:58	Dhraakellian	good night/morning
09:38:31	RalpH_himself	I see there's still a lot to learn for me...
09:38:49	Dhraakellian	and it wouldn't work with the Fuze due to lack of USB support at all in the AMS Sansa ports
09:39:18	amiconn	(in parallel to mass storage mode)
09:41:02	pixelma	RalpH_himself: which MacOS version are you running exactly?
09:41:10	RalpH_himself	10.6.0
09:41:21	RalpH_himself	*10.6.1
09:41:38	RalpH_himself	these updates come earlier with every new major release...
09:43:31	pixelma	huh, I had trouble with 10.4 and had to either boor into the original firmware or run a custom version without the USB HID functionality (which gives you the multimedia buttons). I thought everything was working with newer MacOS
09:43:40	pixelma	s/boor/boot
09:46:25	RalpH_himself	I never used the HID function, so I can't tell if it worked earlier, but I always had to reboot into the original bootloader (which is enough for usb mass storage), otherwise I never got the iPod to mount as an external drive. And see now, it works the first time ever: Usb hid from the rockbox usb-mode, and its mounted ^^
09:46:51	RalpH_himself	I though had to reboot while connected to USB, it didn't work out from the beginning
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10:35:22	AlexP	Bagder: I don't seem to be able to send a mail to the dev list: http://pastebin.com/mfef7aa8 My fault?
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11:07:09	funman	@cool.haxx.se ?
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11:10:59	rasher	Oh weird, I could've sworn you could use @rockbox.org, but it seems that's not the case (or at least no one does)
11:11:31	rasher	Anyway, something needs to be fixed - all the subscribe/unsubscribe pages are gone (http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox)
11:11:58	amiconn	@rockbox.org used to work. If it doesn't work now, that's a config bug
11:19:01	rasher	Paging Zagor to the front desk
11:24:54	moos	rasher: hi, re the "language status page", I saw that the page should be updated, but take exemple of polish translation updated in r22654 and don't appearing? Is there a bug somewhere? Is it the case just for polish. Just a minor thing, but we miised the translation call mail thi time...
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11:27:24	moos	we made the mistake to count only on it and you was surely busy. I confess that I take the habbit to see the mail from you. Mistake from us, anyone else take the initiative.
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11:29:24	rasher	moos: I'll look into it
11:30:07	moos	rasher: Thanks
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11:40:25	rasher	moos: fixed (svn checkout had been locked)
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11:44:43	CIA-43	New commit by 03alle (r22781): Show the name of the setting in the WPS debug output
11:48:35	pixelma	rasher: did you see my question from this morning?
11:49:37	rasher	pixelma: yeah, there was discussion here.. hang on
11:52:36	rasher	pixelma: hm, doesn't seem to have been much. Well it was to make clear that these are files, and you will be looking at a file browser
11:52:49	rasher	pixelma: as opposed to the font browser, which is now special
11:52:54	rasher	(to the user)
11:55:19	rasher	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090622#17:58:41 but not much there
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12:02:04	rasher	Why does LANG_SKIN_RAM_USAGE call it Skin, when everything else calls it theme?
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12:26:43	fml	It obfuscates things in the case of an error (erroneous token is shown as 'No token' in the debug output)
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12:35:58	funman	if it's not on the frontpage, no
12:39:49	AlexP	pixelma: I tried @cool.haxx.se last night which didn't work (in a different way) and was told in community that it should be @rockbox.org but it seems that isn't working either. I know they were moving the lists last night, so I suspect that is the issue
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13:41:41	CIA-43	New commit by 03rasher (r22783): Backport r22782 (translation updates).
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16:40:26	funman	well the AMS guy didn't answer to my request for informations
16:40:34	funman	we'll have to live with it
16:42:17	funman	the AS3531 datasheet has no information on which SD controller is used
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17:50:58	javacris	I have Q about h320 cfmod
17:51:33	javacris	I have ata error -11... Anybody knows what it's mean?
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19:25:42	AlexP	Bagder: I don't seem to be able to send massages to the dev list, and the sign up pages don't work. Hangover from moving them?
19:25:49	AlexP	er, *messages :)
19:26:10	Bagder	yes, but the list should work... other lists are working at list
19:26:21	Bagder	the plan is to fix the web ui for them tonight
19:26:43	pixelma	rasher: that makes a bit more sense now (the language change, sorry for late reply) but I wouldn't have guessed :\
19:26:53	AlexP	Bagder: is it @cool.haxx.se or @rockbox.org?
19:27:03	Bagder	the first
19:27:21	AlexP	I'll try again - I tried last night but it may have been during the move
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19:27:40	Bagder	ah yes, it was completely down for about two hours
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19:28:58	AlexP	OK, sent - we'll see :)
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19:29:24	AlexP	There we go :)
19:29:40	Bagder	yeps, I noticed the new server passes through the mails faster
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19:33:51	amiconn	Bagder: @rockbox.org used to work before the move... I've been using that for years
19:34:44	Bagder	it still does afaik, but that's more of a coincidence than anything else
19:35:42	Zagor	amiconn: don't do that. that is not the right address.
19:38:13	amiconn	Uh? I always thought this has been the primary address since we got the domain, and @cool.haxx.se is kept for compatibility and because it reflects the actual host
19:39:00	Bagder	why would it be? that's not mentioned anywhere
19:39:21	Zagor	amiconn: you are the only one using it...
19:39:46	Bagder	I can imagine a subdomain within rockbox.org for lists, to make it more explicit
19:40:09	Zagor	lists.rockbox.org would make sense. but when we move we move completely.
19:40:09	amiconn	Hmm, weird
19:40:10	Bagder	I mean, like list.rockbox.org or so
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19:48:11	bertrik	AlexP, your proposal regarding the CREDITS file gets my vote too
19:49:00	*	evilnick agrees with bertrik (and by extension AlexP)
19:49:33	AlexP	righto :)
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19:54:05	jpt9	Just noticed the Sansa Clip builds...
19:54:25	jpt9	I'm annoyed.... now I have to get a Clip :-)
19:54:25	jpt9	(Just kidding... great to see more platforms supported.)
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20:00:43	*	pixelma still needs an idea for a nice and short translation of "Skin RAM usage" since that is in the info screen, to German
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20:03:10	linuxstb	pixelma: Did anyone answer rasher's question from earlier about why that says "Skin", and everything else says "Theme" ?
20:03:46	*	Lear_ just used the Swedish word for "Theme", and nothing else.
20:03:48	pixelma	haven't seen an answer
20:03:52	AlexP	It should just say theme IMO
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20:04:32	*	linuxstb thinks so too, unless anyone can come up with a good argument
20:04:36	CIA-43	New commit by 03learman (r22785): Update Swedish translation.
20:04:43	pixelma	I'll probably do that too (as "skin" doesn't have a better translation IMO when used in this sense)
20:05:43	moos	/me thought tha was just WPS RAM usage?
20:06:36	pixelma	I guess it's meant to do more later on (and/or is e.g. font buffer already included)
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20:08:02	moos	ok, didn't know that that was planed to make it sum total of all those theme related buffers
20:08:32	*	moos have to change it this way for french translation then
20:08:53	pixelma	what does the "limit" in the time stretch screen limit?
20:09:38	pixelma	moos: that's just what I think, don't know for sure
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20:10:04	moos	pixelma: we have to confirm with JdGordon or kugel
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20:11:22	moos	AlexP: like I already stated yesterday, +1 here about the credit thing
20:11:57	AlexP	moos: Cool - I basically posted just in case there was a good reason for it that I couldn't think of
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20:12:38	moos	AlexP: but I guess that we still keep a manual credit file anyway, right?
20:12:49	AlexP	moos: I don't see why
20:13:03	AlexP	moos: I plan to get rid of it (that was the point of the mail) :)
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20:14:20	moos	ok here too, just that rasher ponted a valid point yesterday, if we want to change the license of the manual in the futur for exemple...
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20:15:19	AlexP	But we don't know who really wrote anything a
20:15:26	AlexP	er, bad delete
20:15:51	AlexP	What I meant is that there is always the commits - and plenty of people that have done stuff are not in the manual credits file
20:16:38	moos	yeah sure that svn history will be still there
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20:19:07	JdGordon	moos: skin or theme makes no difference really
20:19:58	AlexP	JdGordon: Is there a reason it says skin and not theme there (like everywhere else) ?
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20:20:17	pixelma	it does for consistency
20:20:19	moos	JdGordon: ok thanks for info. In my mind WPS was part of theme, and "skin" was a reword of our WPS
20:20:24	linuxstb	JdGordon: Don't they mean different things? i.e. a theme consists of a number of skins, a font (hopefully fonts in the future), icons, colour choices, etc etc?
20:20:39	AlexP	pixelma: eh? (or did I miss sarcasm)
20:21:02	JdGordon	linuxstb: well yes, but in the context of ram usage either would work
20:21:06	pixelma	AlexP: that was at JdGordon
20:21:15	AlexP	ah right
20:21:26	pixelma	moos' question was also if it was only counting WPS RAM usage or more than that
20:21:29	linuxstb	JdGordon: So is that setting a setting for skins, or a setting for themes?
20:21:44	JdGordon	its not a setting at all yet
20:21:46	linuxstb	s/setting/info/
20:23:46	JdGordon	right now that info is just for the wps which is the only skin being used right now in a theme
20:24:48	linuxstb	Not the rwps?
20:24:56	JdGordon	that also
20:24:58	moos	ok, then like pixelma said. In a soon future this RAM use thing will count all theme things
20:25:03	moos	?
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20:25:37	JdGordon	it will count all skin usages, but I dont tihnk users care about the difference
20:25:59	JdGordon	outside of the code the word skin isnt used anywhere
20:26:17	moos	yeah we was thinking translations here
20:26:17	JdGordon	I guess I'm arguing for it to be changed... what does it display now?
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20:27:14	linuxstb	JdGordon: You committed it in the first place ;) It says "Skin RAM usage"...
20:27:27	moos	you introduced that skin word, then don't count on us to tell you ;)
20:27:33	moos	hehe, too slow :)
20:27:46	JdGordon	1) I'm sick, 2) yeah, but I wouldnt trust anything I commit...
20:27:51	AlexP	:)
20:27:57	moos	haha :D
20:28:06	*	linuxstb reverts all JdGordon's commits...
20:28:09	AlexP	So, someone change it to Theme RAM usage :)
20:28:12	JdGordon	but yeah, thinking about it thme would make more sense than skin
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20:28:39	pixelma	yes, with that typo ;P
20:28:53	JdGordon	linuxstb: that would put us back into the stone age though.... back to #ifdef hell button handling, boring settings... :p
20:28:58	rasher	AlexP: Not yet!
20:29:13	linuxstb	JdGordon: Perfect ;)
20:29:18	rasher	No lang changes until after the release, please
20:29:55	rasher	It complicates things :\
20:30:05	moos	rasher: I thought to change this RAM usage item for french, a one line change
20:30:51	rasher	moos: change it in the translation only then - that'll be fine
20:30:52	pixelma	even if it is "Theme RAM Usage" it's hard to translate into German without writing stories (no difference here between skin and theme)
20:30:55	rasher	I should say
20:31:00	JdGordon	that would be a bit odd... one french line in the base tranaltion!
20:31:02	rasher	No english.lang changes until after the release
20:31:35	rasher	pixelma: Theme size maybe? (although somewhat inaccurate, it might be good enough)
20:31:39	JdGordon	pixelma: would buffer work better than RAM?
20:31:44	rasher	For the translation, that is
20:32:41	moos	pixelma: "buffer" ?
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20:32:59	pixelma	that gives some inspiration, thanks. Still no "click" though
20:33:13	moos	that's a theme buffer sort of
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20:33:50	*	moos understand the feeling (about the wrinting stories :)
20:34:54	JdGordon	just leave it english
20:36:56	pixelma	nah
20:38:41	pixelma	I still have a few hours for thinking about it ;)
20:39:50	moos	rasher: Yeah that what I will do. I will not touch english.lang if that's what you are afraid of
20:39:54	Blue_Dude	Hey, could some of you fine folks look over FS #10612?
20:40:04	moos	pixelma: good luck ;)
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20:40:57	pixelma	I guess I go with translating "buffer"
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20:42:00	moos	pixelma: that what I did in french
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20:44:15	fml	JdGordon: hey! Have you seen this question? http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090922#12:26:10
20:44:51	fml	To see what I mean, try to use the %St tag with a dummy setting name
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20:50:46	JdGordon	fml: bah, no I hadnt
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21:04:25	funman	bertrik: do you have / plan to get a Clipv2/Clip+/Fuzev2 ?
21:05:05	funman	JdGordon\|: had you looked at a recovery mode for Clip+ similar to e200v2 ?
21:05:30	JdGordon\|	there is two solder joints which I tried connecting without much luck
21:05:47	funman	what about disabling the NAND at boot ?
21:05:53	AlexP	Blue_Dude: re FS #10612 on H140 - MP3 81.15% realtime, Vorbis 66.4% realtime
21:06:06	JdGordon\|	how?
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21:06:18	AlexP	Blue_Dude: Ah, didn't notice you had left
21:06:24	AlexP	Blue_Dude: re FS #10612 on H140 - MP3 81.15% realtime, Vorbis 66.4% realtime
21:06:39	Blue_Dude	Yep. That's about right...
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21:06:48	funman	JdGordon\|: you have to connect 2 pins of the NAND, I'm looking for a picture
21:06:56	funman	all the pins descriptions are given in the ONFI standard
21:08:46	AlexP	Blue_Dude: For reference, MP3 with it off is 442.73% realtime :)
21:08:59	funman	http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/files/48_pin_tsop_110.jpg
21:09:52	funman	hum it's not consistent with what I see in ONFI 2.0
21:10:06	Blue_Dude	What's it like with DSP speed test with compression off?
21:10:50	funman	JdGordon\|: with the mark on the top left corner, try connecting pins 18 & 19, with the top left pin being number 1, and bottom left pin being number 24
21:11:07	JdGordon\|	eek! how?!
21:11:17	funman	pin 19 is WP# (NOT write protect) and pin 18 is CLK or WE# (NOT write enable)
21:11:22	funman	screwdriver
21:11:28	funman	or knife, anything metallic
21:11:48	funman	I had found the info on s1mp3 website, let me find it again
21:11:55	JdGordon\|	how long do the need to be connected?
21:11:58	AlexP	Blue_Dude: With DSP off MP3 is 464.21%, with DSP but no compressor 442.73%, with compressor 81.15%
21:12:03	funman	just the time for the clip to boot
21:12:15	Blue_Dude	wow.
21:12:15	AlexP	(DSP for me is replaygain/treble/bass - no equaliser etc)
21:12:16	JdGordon\|	what should happen? connect to usb?
21:12:30	funman	http://www.s1mp3.org/en/docs_deadrec.php#short
21:12:40	Blue_Dude	Time to optimize I guess. :)
21:12:42	funman	they use other pins but with the same effect (I had tested both on clipv1)
21:12:48	AlexP	Blue_Dude: So it seems :)
21:13:01	funman	JdGordon\|: yes : put it off, connect the pins, plug to usb, wait 5 secodns and release pins
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21:13:46	JdGordon\|	I'll need anaother pair of hands for that :(
21:13:51	funman	you might have to power off and repeat several times in a row
21:14:19	funman	well i would semi-plug the usb core on the clip and keep it ready to insert with one hand, which will also keep the clip stable
21:14:28	funman	and use the screwdriver with the other hand
21:14:38	amiconn	AlexP: Treble/bass is hardware on H1x0
21:14:44	funman	or use the same hand to keep stability and hold screwdriver, and the other one to plug usb
21:15:46	AlexP	amiconn: OK, cheers - just replaygain then
21:16:37	Blue_Dude	And replaygain isn't a process. It just sets the input gain. It's very fast. So a good comparison.
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21:19:54	JdGordon\|	funman: when 'm not full of flu tablets ill try it out... if you or someone wants me to send you then clip that cna be arranged also
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21:23:06	funman	i'll focus on clipv2 first :)
21:23:17	funman	it'd be nice to know how clipv2 & clip+ are similar though
21:23:57	BdN3504	i need help repairing my sansa e200 v1. it's working fine software/firmware wise but the tactile hardware is messed up. the volume button has overtaken the function of the play button.
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21:24:30	BdN3504	can this be fixed? got some experience with something similar on that target?
21:24:56	JdGordon\|	funman: they are the same internally no? cliv2 is just missing the sd slot
21:26:22	funman	well i would like to know
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21:26:46	funman	BdN3504: try the hardware section in the forums
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22:11:59	fml	pixelma: is the translation of "While playing screen" to German correct? Doesn't the option show THE wps?
22:14:12	pixelma	how do you mean the question?
22:14:47	fml	pixelma: I mean that the menu entry doesn't just allow to browse the files but shows the file currently in use
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22:15:26	fml	That's why it now reads "while plaing screen" and not "Browse wps files"
22:15:28	pixelma	it shows the WPS file browser and was renamed in English since the change to highlight the current WPS (so it looks like a setting not a browser)
22:15:35	pixelma	yes
22:16:26	pixelma	which is why I left out "Zeige", you can discuss if the rest should be plural then
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22:16:58	pixelma	or singular - or even better: maybe you have a better name for "WPS-Datei"
22:17:50	JdGordon\|	fml: adding a if (!fail) before that line should fix your problem...
22:17:54	fml	pixelma: yes, I think it should be singular since it's one option
22:19:26	fml	JdGordon\|: I think there is another problem there. If the parse function fails num_tokens is not incremented which is wrong IMO. But what is the sense of unconditionally adding a NO_TOKEN? Can't it lead to an overflow in a worst case?
22:20:29	pixelma	I have to admit that I noticed that too now when looking at the diff through ViewVC... if you have an even better suggestion please let me know
22:20:39	fml	JdGordon\|: so there are two or three losely related (but very minor) problems in that code area. But I've never had a real problem there so I won't do anything! :-)
22:20:58	JdGordon\|	fml: back in a few min, but no there hsould be no danger of overflow
22:21:37	fml	pixelma: WPS-Layout? But it's not very German :-)
22:22:13	funman	now that we know the clipv2/fuzev2 aren't as3531 based I'm not sure how to integrate them in the target tree
22:22:38	pixelma	I somehow hoped to get rid of the "file" or something else addition, something for the pure "While Playing Screen" as it is done in English
22:23:17	funman	i would use as3525/ folder with a define, but we need a correct name : HAVE_AS3525+ ? HAVE_AS3525_V2 ?
22:23:28	fml	pixelma: Actually, "WPS-Layout" very well describes what it's about
22:23:49	fml	And it doesn't have "file" in it
22:24:13	pixelma	it doesn't explain WPS and still has an addition
22:24:17	fml	Now we just have to explaint what WPS means :-)
22:25:45	fml	pixelma: also, in "Fernbedienungs-Statusleiste", I'm not sure whether the "s" before the "-" is needed. It would be if it was one word, but with a "-"... I'm not sure.
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22:26:51	pixelma	hmm
22:27:42	fml	Such problems can be avoided by reordering the words, e.g. "Statusleiste auf der Fernbedienung" or "Position der Bildlaufleisten"
22:27:51	pixelma	urgh
22:27:56	funman	who are the devs owning a Clipv2/Fuzev2 except me and kugel ?
22:28:03	pixelma	do you have two displays?
22:28:03	JdGordon\|	fml: it is added because the displayer handles the sblines badly... it dor for(i=start_idx, i<=end_idx,i++) instead of just <
22:28:14	fml	I'm never 100% sure how to write such composites
22:28:16	Zagor	funman: I have a clipv2
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22:29:49	pixelma	well if you have a remote you have... but then you need 10 seconds until that option scrolled by on that tiny screen (compared to 5 for the other way) ;)
22:29:50	fml	JdGordon\|: can't we change the semantics of the end_idx to be the "index of the next..."? The we could use "<" and all would be fine
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22:30:24	saratoga	funman: are you aware we seem to have copied the Sandisk pitch bug when we copied the sandisk clock settings?
22:30:54	JdGordon\|	we could... it just hasnt been done
22:30:58	fml	pixelma: he-he
22:30:59	funman	Zagor: are you interested into reverse engineering the SD driver ?
22:31:08	funman	saratoga: no.. which settings did we copy exactly ?
22:31:17	JdGordon\|	although that last token should always be th END_CONDITONAL token anyway
22:31:18	Zagor	funman: the result? yes. the work? not so much :-)
22:31:32	funman	okok :)
22:31:43	fml	JdGordon\|: "we" −− maybe, but not me. That delivers the solution of the equation: "you" :-)))
22:31:50	shotofadds	JdGordon\|: did album art always get drawn over top of the "touch buttons" (eg. in the mrobe500 cabbiev2) or is that a new bug?
22:32:00	JdGordon\|	no idea
22:32:10	JdGordon\|	possibly new
22:32:17	JdGordon\|	probably new
22:32:23	saratoga	funman: the PLL settings don't evenly divide into 44100 Hz, so the actual sample rate is something like 43500Hz
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22:32:45	saratoga	the datasheet recommends running the PLL higher and using larger dividers so that you can hit 44100 exactly
22:33:02	shotofadds	JdGordon\|: any idea how I might fix it? I know practically nothing about the WPS drawing code :/
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22:34:06	JdGordon\|	ill try to have a look later today if i get a chance... its probbaly a quick fix
22:34:16	JdGordon\|	s/probably/hopefully/ :)
22:34:26	funman	43.5kHz seems a lot
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22:41:23	saratoga	funman: the 3525 sheet recommends on page 112 (fig 43) a 384MHz PLL, we use 248MHz
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22:43:05	saratoga	huh theres code for doing 384 in SVN
22:43:07	*	kugel dislikes most of the german translation
22:43:08	saratoga	i wonder why it wasn't used
22:43:37	pixelma	kugel: critizising is easy
22:43:40	funman	saratoga: don't remember
22:43:52	kugel	pixelma: do you prefer connecting substantives with a dash, or did you just do it?
22:43:59	funman	ah yes: fastest boosted fclk (248MHz, < 250MHz)
22:44:31	kugel	I personally find it ugly, and would use Bildlaufleistenposition (maybe even "Position der Bildlaufleiste")
22:46:07	kugel	saratoga: FlynDice made some profiles
22:46:33	saratoga	so we'd have to run the CPU clock async to the PLL
22:46:35	pixelma	kugel: I did it to be consistent with what we have, I don't actually like the look of it but it's not wrong. The composite is better than sentence style because it's shorter
22:46:47	saratoga	was that slower?
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22:47:11	JdGordon\|	kugel: broken space bar? or is gernam really that awesome? :)
22:47:28	funman	saratoga: i find 44034Hz with the current settings
22:47:32	pixelma	JdGordon\|: the latter
22:47:33	kugel	what are you refering too?
22:47:52	JdGordon\|	Bildlaufleistenposition
22:48:10	funman	saratoga: with 384MHz PLL we'd have 64MHz pclk and 240MHz fclk iirc
22:48:18	kugel	Bildlaufleiste = scrollbar, where's the "broken" in that?
22:48:22	saratoga	funman: hmm let me double check thats not what I got before
22:48:33	Zagor	JdGordon\|: swedish is like that too. you just string the words together.
22:48:33	funman	with fclk = 5/8 plla
22:48:52	kugel	pixelma: I prefer easy to read and understand over short. Anyway, could we possibly change all strings to avoid the dash separator? I really hate that one
22:49:01	pixelma	JdGordon\|: you combine words completely, unfortunately many start to take those apart like it's done in English and that is plain wrong (though modern)
22:49:28	funman	very acceptable (the lower fclk is compensated by higher pclk i think - needs to be verified -, and worth if we get more precise audio clock)
22:49:47	*	kugel also wouldn't have translated skin, since it actually refers to an internal rockbox term
22:50:18	Zagor	users don't care about internal terms
22:50:23	kugel	but I'll stop complain now :) better than doing it myself :p
22:50:31	pixelma	kugel: if you want to have Fernbedienungsbildlaufleiste in one word... also I won't do that now
22:50:56	kugel	Zagor: that's why I didn't touch it. I'm not very good at predicting what the user cares about
22:51:50	saratoga	funman: ok i'll try to measure it when i get a chance
22:52:07	pixelma	kugel: if you read logs, the "Skin" there is a strong candidate to be changed anyways...
22:52:22	*	kugel seems to have missed it
22:52:45	funman	saratoga: i did: div = (PLLA+(44100/2))/44100; and freq = PLLA/div/128
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22:52:50	AlexP	It seems pretty certsin it will be changed
22:52:54	AlexP	*certain
22:53:34	kugel	skin is definitely something different as a skin. if skin is to become theme, we need to change the theme term
22:54:03	kugel	I don't see what's wrong with skin. It's nice and short, and used internally only anyway
22:54:11	AlexP	It isn't though
22:54:16	pixelma	a what? Can you explain the difference between skin and theme?
22:54:17	AlexP	It is in the debug menu
22:54:32	pixelma	thought it was the Info screen
22:54:32	AlexP	To me a skin is one of the screens - wps, rec, fm, etc
22:54:38	saratoga	bah i have matlab right here i'll just measure it exactly
22:54:38	AlexP	pixelma: sorry, yes
22:54:44	kugel	AlexP: that's the only place. hardly a reason to change this nice and short term in a dozens of files
22:54:46	AlexP	theme is the whole lot
22:54:53	AlexP	kugel: Nobody said that
22:55:01	AlexP	kugel: It is just the phrase in the lang
22:55:11	kugel	oh alright
22:55:14	funman	saratoga: look at pcm_dma_apply_settings() in pcm-as3525.c
22:55:52	kugel	AlexP: the custom statusbar can show in many screens
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22:56:16	AlexP	kugel: so that is another skin
22:56:30	AlexP	i.e. there is a skin for the wps, a skin for the statusbar, a skin for fm etc
22:56:33	kugel	yes, I was refering to "To me a skin is one of the screens - wps, rec, fm, etc"
22:56:38	AlexP	A theme is the collection of those
22:56:57	AlexP	anyway, the only thing that has been said here is to change the item in the UI
22:57:02	BdN3504	would it be possible to run rockbox without the play button on the e200?
22:57:04	kugel	it is indeed just another skin, but it's not bound to a screen
22:57:12	AlexP	sure
22:57:19	BdN3504	which files would i have to edit in the source?
22:57:45	AlexP	apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c
22:58:19	AlexP	kugel: Sorry, I wasn't being that pedantic - those were just examples
22:58:20	kugel	an easy way would to swap REC and PLAY if you're not using REC anyway (it'll just be a two liner)
22:59:07	AlexP	that's a good plan
22:59:54	kugel	pixelma: a skin is a file that uses our markup language to interact with the skinning engine. A theme may consist of many themes, a skin may run with many themes. A theme also has other settings. A theme is really "the whole lot" as it has been said
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23:00:20	BdN3504	AlexP: so i simply delete all instances of "BUTTON_UP"?
23:00:44	AlexP	BdN3504: Surely you want to change the functions normally done by play to other buttons, not just remove them?
23:00:46	BdN3504	kugel: oh that's a good idea
23:00:56	kugel	take a look at firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-target.h
23:00:59	AlexP	If you don't use rec, follow kugel's suggestion
23:00:59	pixelma	yes, and what usage is shown there then (once "complete")?
23:01:37	kugel	hm no
23:02:08	kugel	actually, button-e200.c. swap the lines that look like "btn \|= BUTTON_REC" and "btn \|= BUTTON_UP"
23:02:43	BdN3504	but i don't want button up to be assigned to anything because that button is broken
23:03:18	AlexP	it doesn't matter
23:03:21	kugel	if it's broken it can't do anything?
23:03:35	AlexP	It'll just "do" what rec once did
23:03:46	AlexP	i.e. you'll lose the functions on rec
23:03:49	BdN3504	it works too much, it responds if i only touch it slightly and repeats the action
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23:04:18	BdN3504	i never record, so i can live without that. are there other functions rec is assigned to?
23:04:32	funman	some plugins use it i think
23:04:33	kugel	then change "#define BUTTON_UP 0x00....." to "#define BUTTON_UP 0". That'll get you the button ignored compeltely
23:04:47	BdN3504	cool, thank you
23:04:47	kugel	that change would be in button-target.h
23:04:51	AlexP	you probably still want to swap them
23:04:59	kugel	yea, both changes are needed
23:05:04	AlexP	As otherwise you won't be able to do anything that was on play
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23:09:33	funman	the Clipv1 and v2 OF API for SD access is very similar (high level functions pointers are stored in the same order)
23:11:32	saratoga	funman: I measure 43,791 Hz
23:12:07	saratoga	or 0.993 of the target value
23:12:37	funman	saratoga: measure = with a DMM ?
23:12:46	saratoga	funman: PC sound card
23:13:14	funman	clock-target.h should make it easy to make several tests
23:13:54	saratoga	this is consistent with the claimed values for the Sandisk pitch bug
23:15:20	funman	do you remember in which OF the bug was present/added/fixed? we could compare what they changed
23:15:30	BdN3504	kugel: AlexP: could you confirm that this is correct? http://pastebin.com/f2bd3a57f
23:15:42	saratoga	funman: hmm i 'm wrong i think
23:15:58	kugel	BdN3504: that's not what I told you to do
23:15:58	saratoga	i get that we're 0.7% higher, not 0.7% slower
23:16:07	saratoga	IIRC the sandisk firmware undershot
23:16:18	kugel	just changing the keymap file won't fix plugins for you
23:16:21	saratoga	funman: as far as I know they all still have it
23:16:34	saratoga	supposedly the fuze is getting it fixed in the next release though
23:17:03	saratoga	funman: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clipplus&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=391#M391
23:17:28	BdN3504	kugel: what do you mean? i changed keymap and button target
23:17:42	kugel	"actually, button-e200.c. swap the lines that look like "btn \|= BUTTON_REC" and "btn \|= BUTTON_UP""
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23:19:53	funman	saratoga: are you still working on fs 10605 ?
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23:20:13	funman	i'm not sure what is needed now, I've been using this patch ok for some days
23:20:22	saratoga	funman: i am
23:20:27	saratoga	did it make much difference for you?
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23:20:43	funman	no crash at all
23:20:46	saratoga	wow
23:20:50	saratoga	how odd
23:21:03	funman	why? isn't that the intention?
23:21:12	saratoga	i dismissed the second change in that patch (the bounds checking) as ineffective when I tested on the sim
23:21:17	saratoga	since i still got deadlocks
23:21:24	saratoga	but i didn't try on the clip . . .
23:21:32	funman	i only used the first patch
23:21:42	BdN3504	kugel: is this correct now? http://pastebin.com/fccbeeb7
23:21:50	funman	which is only effective on clip/m200v4/c200v2
23:21:58	saratoga	oh ok
23:22:02	saratoga	yeah thats what i've been testing
23:22:12	saratoga	all the deadlocks I got on the sim were from that bug
23:22:15	kugel	yea, but dont change the keymap file
23:22:26	saratoga	but that condition should only ever happen on track change, and I often see clip crashes mid track
23:22:30	BdN3504	ok, thank you!
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23:22:40	funman	yes that did happen
23:22:40	saratoga	clip deadlocks rather
23:22:59	saratoga	or if the clip is trying to load a codec mid track that could be a good part of the reason it dies :)
23:23:32	funman	^^
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23:23:54	funman	why would such a thing happen? the pcm buffer of the clip is quite small
23:24:08	saratoga	funman: regarding the first patch, I think buffering codecs on the clip makes little sense so I am ok with that, however its not really a proper solution since 1) its still buffering the codec when it shouldn't be and 2) it shouldn't crash
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23:24:51	saratoga	funman: if you are bored you could try putting a single logf next to the code in that patch and see if you ever get output on your clip while listening
23:25:03	saratoga	it would be intersting to see if its actually reloading the codec mid track
23:25:17	saratoga	i did notice on the sim that if often reloaded the codec on track change even when it didn't need to
23:25:32	saratoga	it should only load a codec from the disk on codec change
23:25:49	roolku	Zagor: I have put my buildclients online again, but it doesn't seem to make a difference - in fact times have gone up (if one can judge from 2builds)
23:26:03	saratoga	even more puzzelingly, when I switched back and forth between WMA, MP3 and AAC rapidly, I could do it 100 times without getting a crash, even though it'd reload the codec file everytime
23:26:21	kugel	it shouldn't buffer the codec at all in a mp3 only playlist
23:26:31	saratoga	one would think!
23:26:32	roolku	Zagor: there are also still builds with truncated log (i.e. http://build.rockbox.org/data/22782-clients.html)
23:27:25	funman	saratoga: problem is i'm not bored :)
23:27:31	saratoga	yeah me neither
23:28:00	funman	anyway it's nice to see things go forward on sansa ams
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23:29:18	saratoga	well we could put a test build for the patch and see what people say
23:29:30	saratoga	i've often observed long periods without a crash on my clip just by chance
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23:34:10	funman	we could do m200v4 in the same process
23:34:26	funman	together with bootloaders?
23:35:16	CIA-43	New commit by 03kugel (r22788): Few website/target updates. ...
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23:35:28	saratoga	i have no objection
23:35:28	kugel	yh925 unstable \o/
23:35:32	saratoga	nice
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23:35:41	kugel	it just needs a site update from zagor now
23:36:49	funman	kugel: what about yh820/yh920 ?
23:38:00	kugel	are they ready?
23:38:06	kugel	I can't tell
23:38:26	funman	i don't believe there is a difference with yh925
23:38:27	saratoga	i think so
23:38:38	saratoga	do they install with rbutil in the current release?
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23:38:50	kugel	one of them didn't even have sound a while ago :)
23:39:01	funman	i'll build rbutil & see
23:39:12	kugel	just download it
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23:39:45	funman	who has a yh820 except lowlight?
23:40:02	saratoga	no rbutil support
23:40:20	funman	?
23:40:33	saratoga	the AMS are the only supported devices with rbutil support
23:40:44	kugel	those don't even work
23:40:52	kugel	it looks for the wrong .zip
23:40:55	Zagor	kugel: updated
23:41:25	funman	i don't see samsung in rbutilqt
23:41:50	kugel	Zagor: what's needed to change the produced zip to rockbox-sansafuze.zip and -sansae200v2.zip (more consistent with older sansas + rbutil looks for that filename)
23:41:54	kugel	thanks for updating
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23:42:31	rasher	We really need a canonical list of target names, so we can beat everything into submission
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23:42:54	kugel	Zagor: what's wrong wiht the images on the current build page? the samsung is just gone now, ondio sp image is missing since a while already
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23:43:33	rasher	kugel: works for me
23:43:33	bfr	Hello
23:43:33	Zagor	kugel: looks fine for me
23:43:33	funman	I don't see Onda either
23:43:47	kugel	strange
23:44:00	kugel	oO
23:44:18	kugel	ctrl+- (zoom) made them show
23:44:28	Zagor	funman: onda isn't in the list
23:44:30	kugel	still there after zooming back
23:44:51	*	kugel blames bugged ff 3.5
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23:45:25	funman	Zagor: [ondavx747] has a brand=Onda entry in rbutil.ini
23:45:59	funman	oh they have status=disabled
23:47:21	funman	bootloader not found for yh920
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23:47:41	funman	404 for current build as well
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23:49:59	kugel	hm, it's rockbox-sansafuze.zip already
23:52:00	funman	kugel: isn't the bootloadername incorrect for yh925 (in rbutil.ini) : should be /samsung/yh925/bla ?
23:52:06	funman	(same for yh*)
23:52:27	Zagor	kugel: yes that changed when the builds file changed
23:52:57	kugel	funman: yes
23:53:07	kugel	what's in rbutil.ini?
23:53:14	funman	bootloadername=/samsung/FW_YH925.mi4
23:53:24	kugel	yea that's wrong
23:53:35	funman	i'll look at it tomorrow, together with bootloader for yh*20
23:53:38	kugel	arg, no rbutil :(
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23:54:42	funman	?
23:55:08	bfr	Hello, I got an error that said bootloader mismatch. aborting.
23:55:08	kugel	rbutil was released yesterday, it probably won't change for the next week
23:55:34	funman	bfr: on which target?
23:55:52	funman	oh and yh920 needs greylib
23:55:59	bfr	complete installation?
23:56:08	funman	bfr: which audio player ?
23:56:29	bfr	Sansa E280
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23:57:21	saratoga	funman: I'm wrong again
23:57:38	saratoga	i redid it correctly this time (i had flipped the sandisk and RB wavs)
23:57:45	saratoga	we are 0.9985 of the correct sampling rate
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23:58:24	funman	bfr: OS ?
23:58:30	bfr	Vista

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