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00:00:16 | JdGordon| | either make the change now and fix every theme out there.. or leave it |
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00:00:38 | kugel | it can actually be automated for the theme site |
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00:01:09 | kugel | s/%C/%Cd/ |
00:01:20 | kugel | I don't think we care about other themes that much |
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00:03:23 | n17ikh | is there a reason rockbox doesn't look for Folder.bmp, according to http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g/rockbox-buildap3.html ? |
00:03:42 | n17ikh | it looks for everything-else.(jpg, jpeg, bmp) |
00:04:28 | Torne | n17ikh: because windows doesn't look for folder.bmp |
00:04:35 | Torne | so there's no point |
00:04:44 | kugel | n17ikh: the reason is that strcmp() instead of strcasecmp() is used in the code. I.e. it only recognizes folder.*, not Folder.* |
00:04:46 | JdGordon| | thats a silly reason |
00:05:00 | kugel | arg, I didn't see the bmp |
00:05:05 | n17ikh | kugel: case-sensitiveness aside |
00:05:09 | Torne | JdGordon|: i assume that's the reason anyway :) |
00:05:21 | n17ikh | I didn't know windows was album-art aware |
00:05:25 | Llorean | n17ikh: We support the filenames that we initially used, plus the filenames that other major programs use. |
00:05:32 | Llorean | "folder.bmp" doesn't seem to fall into either of those categories. |
00:05:45 | n17ikh | but for the sake of consistency had my bitmap album art covers named the same as my jpeg ones |
00:05:54 | Torne | n17ikh: explorer, in thumbnail mode, displays folder.jpg in the icon for a folder |
00:05:58 | kugel | JdGordon|: I brought something similar up (it doesn't read in folder.jpeg). they seemed to be keen on the tiny savings in the searching loop |
00:06:12 | n17ikh | I see. I thought it was just something someone had made up and it had caught on |
00:06:37 | JdGordon| | the way it should work is read albumartsearch.txt so the user can choose how they want it |
00:06:38 | Torne | no. it's not just for album art, so it's not called something more music-y |
00:06:52 | n17ikh | so, really, I should rename all my album art "cover.jpg"/"cover.bmp" |
00:07:23 | JdGordon| | and if that file doesnt exist then just folder.jpg and cover.bmp |
00:07:38 | JdGordon| | infact screw cover.bmp |
00:08:01 | n17ikh | only reason I have bmp album art covers is because they're GIF or PNG |
00:08:36 | Torne | n17ikh: for the purposes of rockbox you might as well compress them to jpeg, no? |
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00:08:40 | JdGordon| | kugel: ok, you are right that %C and %Cd shuold be seperate... but this really isnt the time to do that change... do it when we support more than one aa image, because then it will very likely need to be broken again anyway |
00:08:44 | Torne | s'not like it's displaying them very big :) |
00:09:08 | n17ikh | well... it irritates me to lossily compress something that's already lossy |
00:09:18 | n17ikh | I guess it doesn't matter so much for PNGs |
00:09:42 | n17ikh | and, really, it doesn't matter at all for rockbox, but it's ostensibly more about portability |
00:09:52 | JdGordon| | add pn support to the core.. or as aa codec :) |
00:10:23 | Torne | gif isn't lossy (except inasmuch as you need to reduce to 256 colours) |
00:10:24 | kugel | n17ikh: png is uncompressed |
00:10:24 | JdGordon| | that would be cool actually... swapable image codecs (using the audio codec buffer), they would just need to be damn fast so the audio doesnt underrun |
00:10:31 | n17ikh | kugel: Are you sure it's case-sensitive, anyway? All my album covers are Folder.jpg |
00:10:44 | JdGordon| | FAT is not case sensitive |
00:11:06 | kugel | but it keeps the case intact |
00:11:15 | Torne | kugel: except when it doesn't ;) |
00:11:27 | kugel | huh? |
00:11:32 | Torne | the rules for LFN creation on windows are baroque |
00:11:45 | Torne | some names that fit in 8.3 *don't* get a long filename created and thus lose their case |
00:11:59 | Torne | and it varies between windows versions as a bonus |
00:12:12 | Torne | see "case" parameter of vfat fs on linux :) |
00:12:45 | Bob_C | Baroqueness is how MS got their patents |
00:13:02 | kugel | so, it still may happen that strcmp'ing folder.jpg doesn't match a file created as Folder.jpg |
00:13:08 | kugel | we had this reported before |
00:13:36 | Torne | it would be all uppercase on disk if it had n lfn |
00:13:50 | Torne | lowercase chars are not allowed in actual FAT dir entries |
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00:15:30 | n17ikh | so it seems like a bad idea to use strcmp instead of strcasecmp, to me |
00:15:55 | Torne | kugel: not sure how *our* FAT code handles it tho |
00:16:28 | rasher | kugel: in which universe is png uncompressed? |
00:16:33 | kugel | alright, I really should look into the code before claiming stuff. there's no strcmp :) |
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00:16:52 | kugel | rasher: I mean it's lossless. slightly messed up the term |
00:17:01 | rasher | ah |
00:17:16 | JdGordon| | Torne: who you calling FAT?! |
00:17:44 | Torne | heh |
00:17:44 | kugel | that was answering to "well... it irritates me to lossily compress something that's already lossy" which isn't true for png |
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00:22:39 | kugel | JdGordon|: I actually plan to add more AAs somewhere around statusbar patch (I didn't plan multiple AAs per skin though) |
00:23:03 | JdGordon| | so do the change then |
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00:23:49 | JdGordon| | multi-AA per skin would be sweet... front/back/front-smaller |
00:23:53 | JdGordon| | etc |
00:24:02 | JdGordon| | have 15MB of images in the buffer... |
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00:27:00 | domonoky | JdGordon: how about animated AA, with many pics :-) |
00:27:22 | JdGordon| | that too |
00:27:27 | JdGordon| | totally doable! |
00:28:51 | * | domonoky wants animated AA in the statusbar... on a archos player :-) |
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00:30:26 | domonoky | more serious: wps plugins, ie visualisations drawing into a wps viewport would be uber-cool .. |
00:31:43 | JdGordon| | I did some work on that probably 2 years ago.... had a plugin overriding the displayers (I tinhk before the tokeniser changes) |
00:31:50 | * | kugel fails to see the point of (animated) visualisation |
00:32:47 | kugel | it should be doable with background plugins actually |
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00:33:28 | kugel | the main problem is that drawing must only happen in the main thread, which kills background drawing |
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00:33:59 | JdGordon| | not nessecarily... |
00:34:28 | domonoky | a tsr plugin with a darwing callback registered somehow could work. |
00:34:30 | kugel | the way to go is probably to add the update functions to the plugin api somehow, and let the plugin do the wps updates |
00:34:54 | kugel | which could be launched through the wps context menu |
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00:54:56 | amiconn | Torne: The rockbox fat driver simply *always* creates lfn entries when creating a dir entry |
00:55:26 | amiconn | And for reading, it knows about the undocumented NT case bits for base name and extension |
00:57:00 | Torne | right |
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01:01:09 | stripwax | Will see if it's there on latest current build too |
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02:13:13 | * | Strife89 would like the juicy details on the issues with iPods charging. |
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02:16:52 | Strife89 | Most notably with the Photo, which is the model I own. |
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02:47:42 | mt | Has there been any decision on FS #10362 ? |
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02:50:43 | mt | And FS #4831 too ? (too many too-old still-open bugs !) |
02:54:32 | JdGordon|_ | apparently not :) |
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03:52:19 | Jared | Hello all, |
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03:52:38 | Guest99956 | I go to the daily builds page to download the voice files, but I can't find them there. |
03:52:48 | Guest99956 | where are they? |
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03:55:57 | j8048188 | does anyone know where to get the voice files? |
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04:07:16 | j8048188 | TheSeven, do you know where to download the voice files? |
04:11:53 | JdGordon | from the voice link on the download page |
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04:13:30 | j8048188 | ok, thanks. found it. The links on the extras page should be fixed to show this. It is not listed on the daily builds page as stated in the wiki. |
04:15:40 | j8048188 | Can someone give me write access on the wiki? |
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05:24:50 | R31D | anyone here know internally about the ipod classic ? |
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05:32:37 | JdGordon | its got a pcb or two... a battery... some chips |
05:32:54 | JdGordon | maybe a couple dozen resistors and capacitors |
05:33:03 | R31D | im having trouble tring to figure out what is wrong with mine |
05:33:11 | R31D | i got a new hdd for it |
05:33:28 | JdGordon | well.. you;re in the wrong place |
05:33:41 | R31D | i hear the hdd working but when i go to the diagnostic test for it dont show up |
05:33:56 | R31D | might be the ribbon to the hdd im htinking |
05:34:30 | R31D | hrmm i was told to come here |
05:43:02 | moos | rasher: can you please update your "Languages status" page when you can, it seems out of date |
05:43:40 | moos | Thanks in advance |
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06:39:35 | Mataamad | I downloaded the trunk from the svn, and tried to compile for nano2g, but it error's when linking, is it not possible to even compile it? |
06:41:30 | R31D | woot i got my 4th gen into disc mode finally |
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06:41:54 | R31D | x my fingers for a restore |
06:42:12 | R31D | damn need to download itunes |
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07:05:55 | bluefoxx_ | Does anybody know if the sansa E200 series SD slot supports SDIO? |
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07:06:42 | JdGordon | for what? |
07:06:57 | bluefoxx_ | In general |
07:07:16 | bluefoxx_ | If I wanted to try and hack a SDIO camera or wifi card into it |
07:08:50 | JdGordon | well... its all open source so assuming there is no hardware changes needed you should be able to do it |
07:09:16 | bluefoxx_ | So the SD controller supports it than? |
07:10:22 | * | JdGordon doesnt kno |
07:10:24 | JdGordon | w |
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07:12:14 | bluefoxx_ | As far as I know, the microSD slot on the e200 series is just a reader tacked onto the portalplayer's USB bus |
07:12:26 | bluefoxx_ | Or something like that. |
07:13:08 | bluefoxx_ | I'm hoping its advanced enough that I could adapt something like a SDIO wireless card or SDIO bluetooth chip onto it and do some crazy stuff with that... |
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07:31:30 | CIA-43 | New commit by jdgordon (r22780): add the %St setting to the debug output for checkwps/parser.... needs mroe work to make it more useful |
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07:45:45 | pixelma | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/english.lang?r1=21437&r2=21464 - can someone explain to me why "Browse Themes" was changed to "Browse Theme Files", rasher? I'm looking at this for the translation update |
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09:05:09 | RalpH_himself | hey guys! I want to update my rockbox version to (hopefully) erase some bugs. How do I do that, without deleting all my database, eqs, settings, wps, fonts etc.? Can I use the RockBox Utility? |
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09:07:06 | RalpH_himself | or just manually copy some files? wich are the important ones? "rockbox.ipod" and the "codepages" folder, is that already everything? I didn't find anything else that looks important... |
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09:13:09 | RalpH_himself | seems to work fine |
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09:19:36 | RalpH_himself | except that I still don't get the bookmarks to work, the "recent bookmarks" item in the main menu always says "bookmarks empty" :-S |
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09:27:16 | amiconn | RalpH_himself: That is not enough. It's pure luck that it works. You'll need at least the codecs as well, and depending on whether you use them the plugins as well |
09:28:03 | amiconn | Either use rbutil, or just unzip the build on top of your installation. It won't overwrite any files you created |
09:28:06 | RalpH_himself | so the plugins and the codecs are also rebuilt every day? |
09:28:37 | amiconn | Regarding this as well as the bookmark functionality, it's all described in our fine manual |
09:29:04 | Dhraakellian | question: does bookmarking only work when playing tracks from the filebrowser? |
09:29:29 | RalpH_himself | amiconn: I still couldn't figure out the bookmark functionallity... |
09:29:37 | amiconn | Yes they are. As long as there is no api change, older plugins and codecs will work, but then you'll miss bugfixes in them |
09:30:05 | amiconn | Dhraakellian: yes |
09:30:33 | RalpH_himself | amiconn: ok then i figured it out, i always use the database :-S |
09:31:08 | Dhraakellian | daaang |
09:31:25 | Dhraakellian | I walked in here to ask a question, not knowing that bookmarks were already being discussed |
09:35:43 | RalpH_himself | omg, I just connected my ipod to my mac, it's stuck in the rockbox usb mode, i just turned round the wheel and suddenly the music on the mac became quieter... |
09:36:28 | Dhraakellian | hmm... does that work with the e200(v1)? |
09:36:50 | RalpH_himself | i guess that's apple-specific |
09:37:23 | Dhraakellian | I sadly no longer have my e200, since it was handed down to my brother when I got my fuze rockboxed. |
09:37:28 | RalpH_himself | and I can't do anything else with my rockpod right now, its not operational no more, but not yet mounted as a new volume |
09:37:53 | Dhraakellian | and I need to stop talking in here before my tiredness makes me veer offtopic |
09:37:57 | amiconn | No it's not. Recent rockbox works like a mini multimedia keyboard on targets with software usb |
09:37:58 | Dhraakellian | good night/morning |
09:38:31 | RalpH_himself | I see there's still a lot to learn for me... |
09:38:49 | Dhraakellian | and it wouldn't work with the Fuze due to lack of USB support at all in the AMS Sansa ports |
09:39:18 | amiconn | (in parallel to mass storage mode) |
09:41:02 | pixelma | RalpH_himself: which MacOS version are you running exactly? |
09:41:10 | RalpH_himself | 10.6.0 |
09:41:21 | RalpH_himself | *10.6.1 |
09:41:38 | RalpH_himself | these updates come earlier with every new major release... |
09:43:31 | pixelma | huh, I had trouble with 10.4 and had to either boor into the original firmware or run a custom version without the USB HID functionality (which gives you the multimedia buttons). I thought everything was working with newer MacOS |
09:43:40 | pixelma | s/boor/boot |
09:46:25 | RalpH_himself | I never used the HID function, so I can't tell if it worked earlier, but I always had to reboot into the original bootloader (which is enough for usb mass storage), otherwise I never got the iPod to mount as an external drive. And see now, it works the first time ever: Usb hid from the rockbox usb-mode, and its mounted ^^ |
09:46:51 | RalpH_himself | I though had to reboot while connected to USB, it didn't work out from the beginning |
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10:21:35 | RalpH_himself | right, it finally works. obviously not with the database :( |
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10:35:22 | AlexP | Bagder: I don't seem to be able to send a mail to the dev list: http://pastebin.com/mfef7aa8 My fault? |
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10:56:33 | pixelma | AlexP: isn't this the right domain name (thought it was something at haxx, not sure whether things changed there too) |
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11:07:09 | funman | @cool.haxx.se ? |
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11:10:59 | rasher | Oh weird, I could've sworn you could use @rockbox.org, but it seems that's not the case (or at least no one does) |
11:11:31 | rasher | Anyway, something needs to be fixed - all the subscribe/unsubscribe pages are gone (http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox) |
11:11:58 | amiconn | @rockbox.org used to work. If it doesn't work now, that's a config bug |
11:19:01 | rasher | Paging Zagor to the front desk |
11:24:54 | moos | rasher: hi, re the "language status page", I saw that the page should be updated, but take exemple of polish translation updated in r22654 and don't appearing? Is there a bug somewhere? Is it the case just for polish. Just a minor thing, but we miised the translation call mail thi time... |
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11:27:24 | moos | we made the mistake to count only on it and you was surely busy. I confess that I take the habbit to see the mail from you. Mistake from us, anyone else take the initiative. |
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11:29:24 | rasher | moos: I'll look into it |
11:30:07 | moos | rasher: Thanks |
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11:40:25 | rasher | moos: fixed (svn checkout had been locked) |
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11:42:24 | moos | rasher: ah, ok |
11:44:43 | CIA-43 | New commit by alle (r22781): Show the name of the setting in the WPS debug output |
11:48:35 | pixelma | rasher: did you see my question from this morning? |
11:49:37 | rasher | pixelma: yeah, there was discussion here.. hang on |
11:52:36 | rasher | pixelma: hm, doesn't seem to have been much. Well it was to make clear that these are files, and you will be looking at a file browser |
11:52:49 | rasher | pixelma: as opposed to the font browser, which is now special |
11:52:54 | rasher | (to the user) |
11:55:19 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090622#17:58:41 but not much there |
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12:26:10 | fml | Hello. What is the point in this line (skin_parser.c:1557): data->tokens[data->num_tokens++].type = WPS_NO_TOKEN; ? |
12:26:43 | fml | It obfuscates things in the case of an error (erroneous token is shown as 'No token' in the debug output) |
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12:35:58 | funman | if it's not on the frontpage, no |
12:39:49 | AlexP | pixelma: I tried @cool.haxx.se last night which didn't work (in a different way) and was told in community that it should be @rockbox.org but it seems that isn't working either. I know they were moving the lists last night, so I suspect that is the issue |
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13:40:51 | CIA-43 | New commit by rasher (r22782): Translation updates: ... |
13:41:41 | CIA-43 | New commit by rasher (r22783): Backport r22782 (translation updates). |
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16:40:26 | funman | well the AMS guy didn't answer to my request for informations |
16:40:34 | funman | we'll have to live with it |
16:42:17 | funman | the AS3531 datasheet has no information on which SD controller is used |
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17:17:15 | funman | if developers are interested into reading the AS3531 datasheet please contact me (and of course keep it private as it is confidential) |
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17:50:58 | javacris | I have Q about h320 cfmod |
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19:25:42 | AlexP | Bagder: I don't seem to be able to send massages to the dev list, and the sign up pages don't work. Hangover from moving them? |
19:25:49 | AlexP | er, *messages :) |
19:26:10 | Bagder | yes, but the list should work... other lists are working at list |
19:26:21 | Bagder | the plan is to fix the web ui for them tonight |
19:26:43 | pixelma | rasher: that makes a bit more sense now (the language change, sorry for late reply) but I wouldn't have guessed :\ |
19:26:53 | AlexP | Bagder: is it @cool.haxx.se or @rockbox.org? |
19:27:03 | Bagder | the first |
19:27:21 | AlexP | I'll try again - I tried last night but it may have been during the move |
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19:27:40 | Bagder | ah yes, it was completely down for about two hours |
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19:28:58 | AlexP | OK, sent - we'll see :) |
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19:29:24 | AlexP | There we go :) |
19:29:40 | Bagder | yeps, I noticed the new server passes through the mails faster |
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19:33:51 | amiconn | Bagder: @rockbox.org used to work before the move... I've been using that for years |
19:34:44 | Bagder | it still does afaik, but that's more of a coincidence than anything else |
19:35:42 | Zagor | amiconn: don't do that. that is not the right address. |
19:38:13 | amiconn | Uh? I always thought this has been the primary address since we got the domain, and @cool.haxx.se is kept for compatibility and because it reflects the actual host |
19:39:00 | Bagder | why would it be? that's not mentioned anywhere |
19:39:21 | Zagor | amiconn: you are the only one using it... |
19:39:46 | Bagder | I can imagine a subdomain within rockbox.org for lists, to make it more explicit |
19:40:09 | Zagor | lists.rockbox.org would make sense. but when we move we move completely. |
19:40:09 | amiconn | Hmm, weird |
19:40:10 | Bagder | I mean, like list.rockbox.org or so |
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19:48:11 | bertrik | AlexP, your proposal regarding the CREDITS file gets my vote too |
19:49:00 | * | evilnick agrees with bertrik (and by extension AlexP) |
19:49:33 | AlexP | righto :) |
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19:53:57 | jpt9 | Hey. |
19:54:05 | jpt9 | Just noticed the Sansa Clip builds... |
19:54:25 | jpt9 | I'm annoyed.... now I have to get a Clip :-) |
19:54:25 | jpt9 | (Just kidding... great to see more platforms supported.) |
19:59:00 | CIA-43 | New commit by learman (r22784): Update Swedish translation. |
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20:00:43 | * | pixelma still needs an idea for a nice and short translation of "Skin RAM usage" since that is in the info screen, to German |
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20:03:10 | linuxstb | pixelma: Did anyone answer rasher's question from earlier about why that says "Skin", and everything else says "Theme" ? |
20:03:46 | * | Lear_ just used the Swedish word for "Theme", and nothing else. |
20:03:48 | pixelma | haven't seen an answer |
20:03:52 | AlexP | It should just say theme IMO |
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20:04:32 | * | linuxstb thinks so too, unless anyone can come up with a good argument |
20:04:36 | CIA-43 | New commit by learman (r22785): Update Swedish translation. |
20:04:43 | pixelma | I'll probably do that too (as "skin" doesn't have a better translation IMO when used in this sense) |
20:05:43 | moos | /me thought tha was just WPS RAM usage? |
20:06:36 | pixelma | I guess it's meant to do more later on (and/or is e.g. font buffer already included) |
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20:08:02 | moos | ok, didn't know that that was planed to make it sum total of all those theme related buffers |
20:08:32 | * | moos have to change it this way for french translation then |
20:08:53 | pixelma | what does the "limit" in the time stretch screen limit? |
20:09:38 | pixelma | moos: that's just what I think, don't know for sure |
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20:10:04 | moos | pixelma: we have to confirm with JdGordon or kugel |
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20:11:22 | moos | AlexP: like I already stated yesterday, +1 here about the credit thing |
20:11:57 | AlexP | moos: Cool - I basically posted just in case there was a good reason for it that I couldn't think of |
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20:12:38 | moos | AlexP: but I guess that we still keep a manual credit file anyway, right? |
20:12:49 | AlexP | moos: I don't see why |
20:13:03 | AlexP | moos: I plan to get rid of it (that was the point of the mail) :) |
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20:14:20 | moos | ok here too, just that rasher ponted a valid point yesterday, if we want to change the license of the manual in the futur for exemple... |
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20:15:19 | AlexP | But we don't know who really wrote anything a |
20:15:26 | AlexP | er, bad delete |
20:15:51 | AlexP | What I meant is that there is always the commits - and plenty of people that have done stuff are not in the manual credits file |
20:16:38 | moos | yeah sure that svn history will be still there |
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20:19:07 | JdGordon | moos: skin or theme makes no difference really |
20:19:58 | AlexP | JdGordon: Is there a reason it says skin and not theme there (like everywhere else) ? |
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20:20:17 | pixelma | it does for consistency |
20:20:19 | moos | JdGordon: ok thanks for info. In my mind WPS was part of theme, and "skin" was a reword of our WPS |
20:20:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Don't they mean different things? i.e. a theme consists of a number of skins, a font (hopefully fonts in the future), icons, colour choices, etc etc? |
20:20:39 | AlexP | pixelma: eh? (or did I miss sarcasm) |
20:21:02 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well yes, but in the context of ram usage either would work |
20:21:06 | pixelma | AlexP: that was at JdGordon |
20:21:15 | AlexP | ah right |
20:21:26 | pixelma | moos' question was also if it was only counting WPS RAM usage or more than that |
20:21:29 | linuxstb | JdGordon: So is that setting a setting for skins, or a setting for themes? |
20:21:44 | JdGordon | its not a setting at all yet |
20:21:46 | linuxstb | s/setting/info/ |
20:23:46 | JdGordon | right now that info is *just* for the wps which is the only skin being used right now in a theme |
20:24:48 | linuxstb | Not the rwps? |
20:24:56 | JdGordon | that also |
20:24:58 | moos | ok, then like pixelma said. In a soon future this RAM use thing will count all theme things |
20:25:03 | moos | ? |
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20:25:37 | JdGordon | it will count all skin usages, but I dont tihnk users care about the difference |
20:25:59 | JdGordon | outside of the code the word skin isnt used anywhere |
20:26:17 | moos | yeah we was thinking translations here |
20:26:17 | JdGordon | I guess I'm arguing for it to be changed... what does it display now? |
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20:27:14 | linuxstb | JdGordon: You committed it in the first place ;) It says "Skin RAM usage"... |
20:27:27 | moos | you introduced that skin word, then don't count on us to tell you ;) |
20:27:33 | moos | hehe, too slow :) |
20:27:46 | JdGordon | 1) I'm sick, 2) yeah, but I wouldnt trust anything I commit... |
20:27:51 | AlexP | :) |
20:27:57 | moos | haha :D |
20:28:06 | * | linuxstb reverts all JdGordon's commits... |
20:28:09 | AlexP | So, someone change it to Theme RAM usage :) |
20:28:12 | JdGordon | but yeah, thinking about it thme would make more sense than skin |
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20:28:39 | pixelma | yes, with that typo ;P |
20:28:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: that would put us back into the stone age though.... back to #ifdef hell button handling, boring settings... :p |
20:28:58 | rasher | AlexP: Not yet! |
20:29:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Perfect ;) |
20:29:18 | rasher | No lang changes until after the release, please |
20:29:55 | rasher | It complicates things :\ |
20:30:05 | moos | rasher: I thought to change this RAM usage item for french, a one line change |
20:30:51 | rasher | moos: change it in the translation only then - that'll be fine |
20:30:52 | pixelma | even if it is "Theme RAM Usage" it's hard to translate into German without writing stories (no difference here between skin and theme) |
20:30:55 | rasher | I should say |
20:31:00 | JdGordon | that would be a bit odd... one french line in the base tranaltion! |
20:31:02 | rasher | No english.lang changes until after the release |
20:31:35 | rasher | pixelma: Theme size maybe? (although somewhat inaccurate, it might be good enough) |
20:31:39 | JdGordon | pixelma: would buffer work better than RAM? |
20:31:44 | rasher | For the translation, that is |
20:32:41 | moos | pixelma: "buffer" ? |
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20:32:59 | pixelma | that gives some inspiration, thanks. Still no "click" though |
20:33:13 | moos | that's a theme buffer sort of |
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20:33:50 | * | moos understand the feeling (about the wrinting stories :) |
20:34:54 | JdGordon | just leave it english |
20:36:56 | pixelma | nah |
20:38:41 | pixelma | I still have a few hours for thinking about it ;) |
20:39:50 | moos | rasher: Yeah that what I will do. I will not touch english.lang if that's what you are afraid of |
20:39:54 | Blue_Dude | Hey, could some of you fine folks look over FS #10612? |
20:40:04 | moos | pixelma: good luck ;) |
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20:40:57 | pixelma | I guess I go with translating "buffer" |
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20:42:00 | moos | pixelma: that what I did in french |
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20:44:15 | fml | JdGordon: hey! Have you seen this question? http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20090922#12:26:10 |
20:44:51 | fml | To see what I mean, try to use the %St tag with a dummy setting name |
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20:50:46 | JdGordon | fml: bah, no I hadnt |
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21:04:25 | funman | bertrik: do you have / plan to get a Clipv2/Clip+/Fuzev2 ? |
21:05:05 | funman | JdGordon|: had you looked at a recovery mode for Clip+ similar to e200v2 ? |
21:05:30 | JdGordon| | there is two solder joints which I tried connecting without much luck |
21:05:47 | funman | what about disabling the NAND at boot ? |
21:05:53 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: re FS #10612 on H140 - MP3 81.15% realtime, Vorbis 66.4% realtime |
21:06:06 | JdGordon| | how? |
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21:06:18 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: Ah, didn't notice you had left |
21:06:24 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: re FS #10612 on H140 - MP3 81.15% realtime, Vorbis 66.4% realtime |
21:06:39 | Blue_Dude | Yep. That's about right... |
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21:06:48 | funman | JdGordon|: you have to connect 2 pins of the NAND, I'm looking for a picture |
21:06:56 | funman | all the pins descriptions are given in the ONFI standard |
21:08:46 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: For reference, MP3 with it off is 442.73% realtime :) |
21:08:59 | funman | http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/files/48_pin_tsop_110.jpg |
21:09:52 | funman | hum it's not consistent with what I see in ONFI 2.0 |
21:10:06 | Blue_Dude | What's it like with DSP speed test with compression off? |
21:10:50 | funman | JdGordon|: with the mark on the top left corner, try connecting pins 18 & 19, with the top left pin being number 1, and bottom left pin being number 24 |
21:11:07 | JdGordon| | eek! how?! |
21:11:17 | funman | pin 19 is WP# (NOT write protect) and pin 18 is CLK or WE# (NOT write enable) |
21:11:22 | funman | screwdriver |
21:11:28 | funman | or knife, anything metallic |
21:11:48 | funman | I had found the info on s1mp3 website, let me find it again |
21:11:55 | JdGordon| | how long do the need to be connected? |
21:11:58 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: With DSP off MP3 is 464.21%, with DSP but no compressor 442.73%, with compressor 81.15% |
21:12:03 | funman | just the time for the clip to boot |
21:12:15 | Blue_Dude | wow. |
21:12:15 | AlexP | (DSP for me is replaygain/treble/bass - no equaliser etc) |
21:12:16 | JdGordon| | what should happen? connect to usb? |
21:12:30 | funman | http://www.s1mp3.org/en/docs_deadrec.php#short |
21:12:40 | Blue_Dude | Time to optimize I guess. :) |
21:12:42 | funman | they use other pins but with the same effect (I had tested both on clipv1) |
21:12:48 | AlexP | Blue_Dude: So it seems :) |
21:13:01 | funman | JdGordon|: yes : put it off, connect the pins, plug to usb, wait 5 secodns and release pins |
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21:13:46 | JdGordon| | I'll need anaother pair of hands for that :( |
21:13:51 | funman | you might have to power off and repeat several times in a row |
21:14:19 | funman | well i would semi-plug the usb core on the clip and keep it ready to insert with one hand, which will also keep the clip stable |
21:14:28 | funman | and use the screwdriver with the other hand |
21:14:38 | amiconn | AlexP: Treble/bass is hardware on H1x0 |
21:14:44 | funman | or use the same hand to keep stability and hold screwdriver, and the other one to plug usb |
21:15:46 | AlexP | amiconn: OK, cheers - just replaygain then |
21:16:37 | Blue_Dude | And replaygain isn't a process. It just sets the input gain. It's very fast. So a good comparison. |
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21:19:54 | JdGordon| | funman: when 'm not full of flu tablets ill try it out... if you or someone wants me to send you then clip that cna be arranged also |
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21:23:06 | funman | i'll focus on clipv2 first :) |
21:23:17 | funman | it'd be nice to know how clipv2 & clip+ are similar though |
21:23:57 | BdN3504 | i need help repairing my sansa e200 v1. it's working fine software/firmware wise but the tactile hardware is messed up. the volume button has overtaken the function of the play button. |
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21:24:30 | BdN3504 | can this be fixed? got some experience with something similar on that target? |
21:24:56 | JdGordon| | funman: they are the same internally no? cliv2 is just missing the sd slot |
21:26:22 | funman | well i would like to know |
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21:26:46 | funman | BdN3504: try the hardware section in the forums |
21:29:20 | BdN3504 | ty |
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21:54:39 | CIA-43 | New commit by pixelma (r22786): Update German translation. |
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22:06:02 | CIA-43 | New commit by pixelma (r22787): Update German translation in the release branch. |
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22:11:59 | fml | pixelma: is the translation of "While playing screen" to German correct? Doesn't the option show THE wps? |
22:14:12 | pixelma | how do you mean the question? |
22:14:47 | fml | pixelma: I mean that the menu entry doesn't just allow to browse the files but shows the file currently in use |
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22:15:26 | fml | That's why it now reads "while plaing screen" and not "Browse wps files" |
22:15:28 | pixelma | it shows the WPS file browser and was renamed in English since the change to highlight the current WPS (so it looks like a setting not a browser) |
22:15:35 | pixelma | yes |
22:16:26 | pixelma | which is why I left out "Zeige", you can discuss if the rest should be plural then |
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22:16:58 | pixelma | or singular - or even better: maybe you have a better name for "WPS-Datei" |
22:17:50 | JdGordon| | fml: adding a if (!fail) before that line should fix your problem... |
22:17:54 | fml | pixelma: yes, I think it should be singular since it's one option |
22:19:26 | fml | JdGordon|: I think there is another problem there. If the parse function fails num_tokens is not incremented which is wrong IMO. But what is the sense of unconditionally adding a NO_TOKEN? Can't it lead to an overflow in a worst case? |
22:20:29 | pixelma | I have to admit that I noticed that too now when looking at the diff through ViewVC... if you have an even better suggestion please let me know |
22:20:39 | fml | JdGordon|: so there are two or three losely related (but very minor) problems in that code area. But I've never had a real problem there so I won't do anything! :-) |
22:20:58 | JdGordon| | fml: back in a few min, but no there hsould be no danger of overflow |
22:21:37 | fml | pixelma: WPS-Layout? But it's not very German :-) |
22:22:13 | funman | now that we know the clipv2/fuzev2 aren't as3531 based I'm not sure how to integrate them in the target tree |
22:22:38 | pixelma | I somehow hoped to get rid of the "file" or something else addition, something for the pure "While Playing Screen" as it is done in English |
22:23:17 | funman | i would use as3525/ folder with a define, but we need a correct name : HAVE_AS3525+ ? HAVE_AS3525_V2 ? |
22:23:28 | fml | pixelma: Actually, "WPS-Layout" very well describes what it's about |
22:23:49 | fml | And it doesn't have "file" in it |
22:24:13 | pixelma | it doesn't explain WPS and still has an addition |
22:24:17 | fml | Now we just have to explaint what WPS means :-) |
22:25:45 | fml | pixelma: also, in "Fernbedienungs-Statusleiste", I'm not sure whether the "s" before the "-" is needed. It would be if it was one word, but with a "-"... I'm not sure. |
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22:26:51 | pixelma | hmm |
22:27:42 | fml | Such problems can be avoided by reordering the words, e.g. "Statusleiste auf der Fernbedienung" or "Position der Bildlaufleisten" |
22:27:51 | pixelma | urgh |
22:27:56 | funman | who are the devs owning a Clipv2/Fuzev2 except me and kugel ? |
22:28:03 | pixelma | do you have two displays? |
22:28:03 | JdGordon| | fml: it is added because the displayer handles the sblines badly... it dor for(i=start_idx, i<=end_idx,i++) instead of just < |
22:28:14 | fml | I'm never 100% sure how to write such composites |
22:28:16 | Zagor | funman: I have a clipv2 |
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22:29:49 | pixelma | well if you have a remote you have... but then you need 10 seconds until that option scrolled by on that tiny screen (compared to 5 for the other way) ;) |
22:29:50 | fml | JdGordon|: can't we change the semantics of the end_idx to be the "index of the next..."? The we could use "<" and all would be fine |
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22:30:24 | saratoga | funman: are you aware we seem to have copied the Sandisk pitch bug when we copied the sandisk clock settings? |
22:30:54 | JdGordon| | we could... it just hasnt been done |
22:30:58 | fml | pixelma: he-he |
22:30:59 | funman | Zagor: are you interested into reverse engineering the SD driver ? |
22:31:08 | funman | saratoga: no.. which settings did we copy exactly ? |
22:31:17 | JdGordon| | although that last token should always be th END_CONDITONAL token anyway |
22:31:18 | Zagor | funman: the result? yes. the work? not so much :-) |
22:31:32 | funman | okok :) |
22:31:43 | fml | JdGordon|: "we" −− maybe, but not me. That delivers the solution of the equation: "you" :-))) |
22:31:50 | shotofadds | JdGordon|: did album art always get drawn over top of the "touch buttons" (eg. in the mrobe500 cabbiev2) or is that a new bug? |
22:32:00 | JdGordon| | no idea |
22:32:10 | JdGordon| | possibly new |
22:32:17 | JdGordon| | probably new |
22:32:23 | saratoga | funman: the PLL settings don't evenly divide into 44100 Hz, so the actual sample rate is something like 43500Hz |
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22:32:45 | saratoga | the datasheet recommends running the PLL higher and using larger dividers so that you can hit 44100 exactly |
22:33:02 | shotofadds | JdGordon|: any idea how I might fix it? I know practically nothing about the WPS drawing code :/ |
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22:34:06 | JdGordon| | ill try to have a look later today if i get a chance... its probbaly a quick fix |
22:34:16 | JdGordon| | s/probably/hopefully/ :) |
22:34:26 | funman | 43.5kHz seems a lot |
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22:41:23 | saratoga | funman: the 3525 sheet recommends on page 112 (fig 43) a 384MHz PLL, we use 248MHz |
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22:43:05 | saratoga | huh theres code for doing 384 in SVN |
22:43:07 | * | kugel dislikes most of the german translation |
22:43:08 | saratoga | i wonder why it wasn't used |
22:43:37 | pixelma | kugel: critizising is easy |
22:43:40 | funman | saratoga: don't remember |
22:43:52 | kugel | pixelma: do you prefer connecting substantives with a dash, or did you just do it? |
22:43:59 | funman | ah yes: fastest boosted fclk (248MHz, < 250MHz) |
22:44:31 | kugel | I personally find it ugly, and would use Bildlaufleistenposition (maybe even "Position der Bildlaufleiste") |
22:46:07 | kugel | saratoga: FlynDice made some profiles |
22:46:33 | saratoga | so we'd have to run the CPU clock async to the PLL |
22:46:35 | pixelma | kugel: I did it to be consistent with what we have, I don't actually like the look of it but it's not wrong. The composite is better than sentence style because it's shorter |
22:46:47 | saratoga | was that slower? |
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22:47:11 | JdGordon| | kugel: broken space bar? or is gernam really that awesome? :) |
22:47:28 | funman | saratoga: i find 44034Hz with the current settings |
22:47:32 | pixelma | JdGordon|: the latter |
22:47:33 | kugel | what are you refering too? |
22:47:52 | JdGordon| | Bildlaufleistenposition |
22:48:10 | funman | saratoga: with 384MHz PLL we'd have 64MHz pclk and 240MHz fclk iirc |
22:48:18 | kugel | Bildlaufleiste = scrollbar, where's the "broken" in that? |
22:48:22 | saratoga | funman: hmm let me double check thats not what I got before |
22:48:33 | Zagor | JdGordon|: swedish is like that too. you just string the words together. |
22:48:33 | funman | with fclk = 5/8 plla |
22:48:52 | kugel | pixelma: I prefer easy to read and understand over short. Anyway, could we possibly change all strings to avoid the dash separator? I really hate that one |
22:49:01 | pixelma | JdGordon|: you combine words completely, unfortunately many start to take those apart like it's done in English and that is plain wrong (though modern) |
22:49:28 | funman | very acceptable (the lower fclk is compensated by higher pclk i think - needs to be verified -, and worth if we get more precise audio clock) |
22:49:47 | * | kugel also wouldn't have translated skin, since it actually refers to an internal rockbox term |
22:50:18 | Zagor | users don't care about internal terms |
22:50:23 | kugel | but I'll stop complain now :) better than doing it myself :p |
22:50:31 | pixelma | kugel: if you want to have Fernbedienungsbildlaufleiste in one word... also I won't do that now |
22:50:56 | kugel | Zagor: that's why I didn't touch it. I'm not very good at predicting what the user cares about |
22:51:50 | saratoga | funman: ok i'll try to measure it when i get a chance |
22:52:07 | pixelma | kugel: if you read logs, the "Skin" there is a strong candidate to be changed anyways... |
22:52:22 | * | kugel seems to have missed it |
22:52:45 | funman | saratoga: i did: div = (PLLA+(44100/2))/44100; and freq = PLLA/div/128 |
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22:52:50 | AlexP | It seems pretty certsin it will be changed |
22:52:54 | AlexP | *certain |
22:53:34 | kugel | skin is definitely something different as a skin. if skin is to become theme, we need to change the theme term |
22:54:03 | kugel | I don't see what's wrong with skin. It's nice and short, and used internally only anyway |
22:54:11 | AlexP | It isn't though |
22:54:16 | pixelma | a what? Can you explain the difference between skin and theme? |
22:54:17 | AlexP | It is in the debug menu |
22:54:32 | pixelma | thought it was the Info screen |
22:54:32 | AlexP | To me a skin is one of the screens - wps, rec, fm, etc |
22:54:38 | saratoga | bah i have matlab right here i'll just measure it exactly |
22:54:38 | AlexP | pixelma: sorry, yes |
22:54:44 | kugel | AlexP: that's the only place. hardly a reason to change this nice and short term in a dozens of files |
22:54:46 | AlexP | theme is the whole lot |
22:54:53 | AlexP | kugel: Nobody said that |
22:55:01 | AlexP | kugel: It is just the phrase in the lang |
22:55:11 | kugel | oh alright |
22:55:14 | funman | saratoga: look at pcm_dma_apply_settings() in pcm-as3525.c |
22:55:52 | kugel | AlexP: the custom statusbar can show in many screens |
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22:56:16 | AlexP | kugel: so that is another skin |
22:56:30 | AlexP | i.e. there is a skin for the wps, a skin for the statusbar, a skin for fm etc |
22:56:33 | kugel | yes, I was refering to "To me a skin is one of the screens - wps, rec, fm, etc" |
22:56:38 | AlexP | A theme is the collection of those |
22:56:57 | AlexP | anyway, the only thing that has been said here is to change the item in the UI |
22:57:02 | BdN3504 | would it be possible to run rockbox without the play button on the e200? |
22:57:04 | kugel | it is indeed just another skin, but it's not bound to a screen |
22:57:12 | AlexP | sure |
22:57:19 | BdN3504 | which files would i have to edit in the source? |
22:57:45 | AlexP | apps/keymaps/keymap-e200.c |
22:58:19 | AlexP | kugel: Sorry, I wasn't being that pedantic - those were just examples |
22:58:20 | kugel | an easy way would to swap REC and PLAY if you're not using REC anyway (it'll just be a two liner) |
22:59:07 | AlexP | that's a good plan |
22:59:54 | kugel | pixelma: a skin is a file that uses our markup language to interact with the skinning engine. A theme may consist of many themes, a skin may run with many themes. A theme also has other settings. A theme is really "the whole lot" as it has been said |
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23:00:20 | BdN3504 | AlexP: so i simply delete all instances of "BUTTON_UP"? |
23:00:44 | AlexP | BdN3504: Surely you want to change the functions normally done by play to other buttons, not just remove them? |
23:00:46 | BdN3504 | kugel: oh that's a good idea |
23:00:56 | kugel | take a look at firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/button-target.h |
23:00:59 | AlexP | If you don't use rec, follow kugel's suggestion |
23:00:59 | pixelma | yes, and what usage is shown there then (once "complete")? |
23:01:37 | kugel | hm no |
23:02:08 | kugel | actually, button-e200.c. swap the lines that look like "btn |= BUTTON_REC" and "btn |= BUTTON_UP" |
23:02:43 | BdN3504 | but i don't want button up to be assigned to anything because that button is broken |
23:03:18 | AlexP | it doesn't matter |
23:03:21 | kugel | if it's broken it can't do anything? |
23:03:35 | AlexP | It'll just "do" what rec once did |
23:03:46 | AlexP | i.e. you'll lose the functions on rec |
23:03:49 | BdN3504 | it works too much, it responds if i only touch it slightly and repeats the action |
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23:04:18 | BdN3504 | i never record, so i can live without that. are there other functions rec is assigned to? |
23:04:32 | funman | some plugins use it i think |
23:04:33 | kugel | then change "#define BUTTON_UP 0x00....." to "#define BUTTON_UP 0". That'll get you the button ignored compeltely |
23:04:47 | BdN3504 | cool, thank you |
23:04:47 | kugel | that change would be in button-target.h |
23:04:51 | AlexP | you probably still want to swap them |
23:04:59 | kugel | yea, both changes are needed |
23:05:04 | AlexP | As otherwise you won't be able to do anything that was on play |
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23:09:33 | funman | the Clipv1 and v2 OF API for SD access is very similar (high level functions pointers are stored in the same order) |
23:11:32 | saratoga | funman: I measure 43,791 Hz |
23:12:07 | saratoga | or 0.993 of the target value |
23:12:37 | funman | saratoga: measure = with a DMM ? |
23:12:46 | saratoga | funman: PC sound card |
23:13:14 | funman | clock-target.h should make it easy to make several tests |
23:13:54 | saratoga | this is consistent with the claimed values for the Sandisk pitch bug |
23:15:20 | funman | do you remember in which OF the bug was present/added/fixed? we could compare what they changed |
23:15:30 | BdN3504 | kugel: AlexP: could you confirm that this is correct? http://pastebin.com/f2bd3a57f |
23:15:42 | saratoga | funman: hmm i 'm wrong i think |
23:15:58 | kugel | BdN3504: that's not what I told you to do |
23:15:58 | saratoga | i get that we're 0.7% higher, not 0.7% slower |
23:16:07 | saratoga | IIRC the sandisk firmware undershot |
23:16:18 | kugel | just changing the keymap file won't fix plugins for you |
23:16:21 | saratoga | funman: as far as I know they all still have it |
23:16:34 | saratoga | supposedly the fuze is getting it fixed in the next release though |
23:17:03 | saratoga | funman: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=clipplus&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=391#M391 |
23:17:28 | BdN3504 | kugel: what do you mean? i changed keymap and button target |
23:17:42 | kugel | "actually, button-e200.c. swap the lines that look like "btn |= BUTTON_REC" and "btn |= BUTTON_UP"" |
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23:19:53 | funman | saratoga: are you still working on fs 10605 ? |
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23:20:13 | funman | i'm not sure what is needed now, I've been using this patch ok for some days |
23:20:22 | saratoga | funman: i am |
23:20:27 | saratoga | did it make much difference for you? |
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23:20:43 | funman | no crash at all |
23:20:46 | saratoga | wow |
23:20:50 | saratoga | how odd |
23:21:03 | funman | why? isn't that the intention? |
23:21:12 | saratoga | i dismissed the second change in that patch (the bounds checking) as ineffective when I tested on the sim |
23:21:17 | saratoga | since i still got deadlocks |
23:21:24 | saratoga | but i didn't try on the clip . . . |
23:21:32 | funman | i only used the first patch |
23:21:42 | BdN3504 | kugel: is this correct now? http://pastebin.com/fccbeeb7 |
23:21:50 | funman | which is only effective on clip/m200v4/c200v2 |
23:21:58 | saratoga | oh ok |
23:22:02 | saratoga | yeah thats what i've been testing |
23:22:12 | saratoga | all the deadlocks I got on the sim were from that bug |
23:22:15 | kugel | yea, but dont change the keymap file |
23:22:26 | saratoga | but that condition should only ever happen on track change, and I often see clip crashes mid track |
23:22:30 | BdN3504 | ok, thank you! |
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23:22:40 | funman | yes that did happen |
23:22:40 | saratoga | clip deadlocks rather |
23:22:59 | saratoga | or if the clip is trying to load a codec mid track that could be a good part of the reason it dies :) |
23:23:32 | funman | ^^ |
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23:23:54 | funman | why would such a thing happen? the pcm buffer of the clip is quite small |
23:24:08 | saratoga | funman: regarding the first patch, I think buffering codecs on the clip makes little sense so I am ok with that, however its not really a proper solution since 1) its still buffering the codec when it shouldn't be and 2) it shouldn't crash |
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23:24:51 | saratoga | funman: if you are bored you could try putting a single logf next to the code in that patch and see if you ever get output on your clip while listening |
23:25:03 | saratoga | it would be intersting to see if its actually reloading the codec mid track |
23:25:17 | saratoga | i did notice on the sim that if often reloaded the codec on track change even when it didn't need to |
23:25:32 | saratoga | it should only load a codec from the disk on codec change |
23:25:49 | roolku | Zagor: I have put my buildclients online again, but it doesn't seem to make a difference - in fact times have gone up (if one can judge from 2builds) |
23:26:03 | saratoga | even more puzzelingly, when I switched back and forth between WMA, MP3 and AAC rapidly, I could do it 100 times without getting a crash, even though it'd reload the codec file everytime |
23:26:21 | kugel | it shouldn't buffer the codec at all in a mp3 only playlist |
23:26:31 | saratoga | one would think! |
23:26:32 | roolku | Zagor: there are also still builds with truncated log (i.e. http://build.rockbox.org/data/22782-clients.html) |
23:27:25 | funman | saratoga: problem is i'm not bored :) |
23:27:31 | saratoga | yeah me neither |
23:28:00 | funman | anyway it's nice to see things go forward on sansa ams |
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23:29:18 | saratoga | well we could put a test build for the patch and see what people say |
23:29:30 | saratoga | i've often observed long periods without a crash on my clip just by chance |
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23:34:10 | funman | we could do m200v4 in the same process |
23:34:26 | funman | together with bootloaders? |
23:35:16 | CIA-43 | New commit by kugel (r22788): Few website/target updates. ... |
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23:35:28 | saratoga | i have no objection |
23:35:28 | kugel | yh925 unstable \o/ |
23:35:32 | saratoga | nice |
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23:35:41 | kugel | it just needs a site update from zagor now |
23:36:49 | funman | kugel: what about yh820/yh920 ? |
23:38:00 | kugel | are they ready? |
23:38:06 | kugel | I can't tell |
23:38:26 | funman | i don't believe there is a difference with yh925 |
23:38:27 | saratoga | i think so |
23:38:38 | saratoga | do they install with rbutil in the current release? |
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23:38:50 | kugel | one of them didn't even have sound a while ago :) |
23:39:01 | funman | i'll build rbutil & see |
23:39:12 | kugel | just download it |
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23:39:45 | funman | who has a yh820 except lowlight? |
23:40:02 | saratoga | no rbutil support |
23:40:20 | funman | ? |
23:40:33 | saratoga | the AMS are the only supported devices with rbutil support |
23:40:44 | kugel | those don't even work |
23:40:52 | kugel | it looks for the wrong .zip |
23:40:55 | Zagor | kugel: updated |
23:41:25 | funman | i don't see samsung in rbutilqt |
23:41:50 | kugel | Zagor: what's needed to change the produced zip to rockbox-sansafuze.zip and -sansae200v2.zip (more consistent with older sansas + rbutil looks for that filename) |
23:41:54 | kugel | thanks for updating |
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23:42:31 | rasher | We really need a canonical list of target names, so we can beat everything into submission |
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23:42:54 | kugel | Zagor: what's wrong wiht the images on the current build page? the samsung is just gone now, ondio sp image is missing since a while already |
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23:43:33 | rasher | kugel: works for me |
23:43:33 | bfr | Hello |
23:43:33 | Zagor | kugel: looks fine for me |
23:43:33 | funman | I don't see Onda either |
23:43:47 | kugel | strange |
23:44:00 | kugel | oO |
23:44:18 | kugel | ctrl+- (zoom) made them show |
23:44:28 | Zagor | funman: onda isn't in the list |
23:44:30 | kugel | still there after zooming back |
23:44:51 | * | kugel blames bugged ff 3.5 |
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23:45:25 | funman | Zagor: [ondavx747] has a brand=Onda entry in rbutil.ini |
23:45:59 | funman | oh they have status=disabled |
23:47:21 | funman | bootloader not found for yh920 |
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23:47:41 | funman | 404 for current build as well |
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23:49:59 | kugel | hm, it's rockbox-sansafuze.zip already |
23:52:00 | funman | kugel: isn't the bootloadername incorrect for yh925 (in rbutil.ini) : should be /samsung/yh925/bla ? |
23:52:06 | funman | (same for yh*) |
23:52:27 | Zagor | kugel: yes that changed when the builds file changed |
23:52:57 | kugel | funman: yes |
23:53:07 | kugel | what's in rbutil.ini? |
23:53:14 | funman | bootloadername=/samsung/FW_YH925.mi4 |
23:53:24 | kugel | yea that's wrong |
23:53:35 | funman | i'll look at it tomorrow, together with bootloader for yh*20 |
23:53:38 | kugel | arg, no rbutil :( |
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23:54:42 | funman | ? |
23:55:08 | bfr | Hello, I got an error that said bootloader mismatch. aborting. |
23:55:08 | kugel | rbutil was released yesterday, it probably won't change for the next week |
23:55:34 | funman | bfr: on which target? |
23:55:52 | funman | oh and yh920 needs greylib |
23:55:59 | bfr | complete installation? |
23:56:08 | funman | bfr: which audio player ? |
23:56:29 | bfr | Sansa E280 |
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23:57:21 | saratoga | funman: I'm wrong again |
23:57:38 | saratoga | i redid it correctly this time (i had flipped the sandisk and RB wavs) |
23:57:45 | saratoga | we are 0.9985 of the correct sampling rate |
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23:58:24 | funman | bfr: OS ? |
23:58:30 | bfr | Vista |